WEBVTT - Adam Brody's Bright Green Flags 0:00:10.287 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a MoMA mea podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mama Mayer acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:18.407 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:22.167 --> 0:00:24.167 Welcome to Mom and me are out loud what women 0:00:24.167 --> 0:00:27.647 are actually talking about on Monday, the fourteenth of October. 0:00:27.767 --> 0:00:28.167 I'm me of. 0:00:28.207 --> 0:00:31.327 Friedman, I'm Jesse Stevens, and I'm Vannon filling in for 0:00:31.407 --> 0:00:33.087 Holly Today. You can normally hear me. 0:00:33.127 --> 0:00:35.767 On our daily entertainment podcast A Spell. 0:00:35.647 --> 0:00:37.527 And on the show today Welcome in. 0:00:37.647 --> 0:00:38.607 By the way, thank you. 0:00:38.607 --> 0:00:39.967 You were meant to be here last week, but you 0:00:40.047 --> 0:00:40.567 chucked Asiki. 0:00:40.647 --> 0:00:42.607 I chucked to Siki. I know you hate that. I 0:00:42.847 --> 0:00:43.967 noted just inspired. 0:00:44.047 --> 0:00:44.847 Were you very sick? 0:00:45.127 --> 0:00:46.487 I was properly sick. 0:00:46.807 --> 0:00:48.807 Now. I can't even say that I was probably sick 0:00:48.847 --> 0:00:50.367 because I don't sound believable. 0:00:50.447 --> 0:00:54.087 No, I trust you. Nicole Kidman and Keith Urbans teenage 0:00:54.167 --> 0:00:56.927 daughter Sunday Rose walk the runway for Me Me last week. 0:00:57.007 --> 0:01:00.407 Kim Kardashian's interview with her twin daughter is going viral, 0:01:00.807 --> 0:01:04.207 but one Australian businesswoman an influencer, has taken a very 0:01:04.207 --> 0:01:07.287 different approach to how she puts her child on social 0:01:07.327 --> 0:01:10.847 media and some of her followers are weirdly angry about it. 0:01:11.247 --> 0:01:14.527 The world's number one show is about healthy relationships and 0:01:14.647 --> 0:01:18.407 loser's siblings. We're unpacking why nobody wants this has become 0:01:18.607 --> 0:01:22.807 the unexpected streaming hit of the year. And don't call 0:01:22.847 --> 0:01:26.047 me baby or mate, the iconic word that people are 0:01:26.087 --> 0:01:29.487 passionately arguing about this week after a retail worker got 0:01:29.527 --> 0:01:32.087 in trouble for using it at work, but. 0:01:32.087 --> 0:01:35.007 First in case he missed it for the first time 0:01:35.087 --> 0:01:38.807 since becoming King Charles will be visiting Australia next week 0:01:39.007 --> 0:01:40.847 and nobody wants to go to his party. 0:01:41.207 --> 0:01:44.647 Okay, King Charles is actually sick and he's coming to Australia. 0:01:44.927 --> 0:01:47.287 It caused his cancer treatment to come to Australia. 0:01:47.527 --> 0:01:51.047 Not like you last week, not like this films was anything. 0:01:51.127 --> 0:01:53.567 It feels rude. Can I just say that last time 0:01:53.607 --> 0:01:55.047 he was in Australia, or it might have been the 0:01:55.047 --> 0:01:57.527 time before, I was invited to go and meet him 0:01:57.767 --> 0:01:58.847 and Camilla. 0:01:58.847 --> 0:02:00.447 And you went, well, ye had nothing else. 0:02:00.647 --> 0:02:02.847 I curred to me to not go. I did go 0:02:03.007 --> 0:02:06.567 for a bit disloyal to Diana in a way meeting Camilla, 0:02:06.647 --> 0:02:08.127 but they were a hoot. 0:02:08.687 --> 0:02:10.647 So I've got all the excuses. So it's all the 0:02:10.687 --> 0:02:13.687 state premiers that aren't going okay to his kind of 0:02:13.807 --> 0:02:18.087 welcoming party in Canberra. So here are the excuses. So 0:02:18.127 --> 0:02:20.767 the Victorian Premier just Into Alan says she's at a 0:02:20.767 --> 0:02:23.727 cabinet meeting that day. New South Wales Premier Chris Minn 0:02:23.727 --> 0:02:25.807 says he's also at a cabinet meeting that day. 0:02:25.807 --> 0:02:27.287 Couldn't be the same cabinet meeting he. 0:02:27.367 --> 0:02:28.367 Meets the same one. 0:02:28.567 --> 0:02:31.607 South Australian Premier Peter Malanowski says he has a regional 0:02:31.687 --> 0:02:32.807 cabinet meeting that day. 0:02:32.887 --> 0:02:34.487 He can't get far off away. 0:02:34.887 --> 0:02:37.887 Queensland Premier Stephen Miles says he's too busy with campaigning 0:02:37.927 --> 0:02:38.607 for the re election. 0:02:38.967 --> 0:02:41.527 Oh that's that sounds like a stretch. That's the weakest 0:02:41.567 --> 0:02:42.647 excuse i've heard thus far. 0:02:43.007 --> 0:02:43.767 I think the best one. 0:02:43.807 --> 0:02:47.287 Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe is on a US trade mission, 0:02:47.367 --> 0:02:48.807 so he's actually busy, all right. 0:02:48.847 --> 0:02:50.807 He's a Western. 0:02:50.527 --> 0:02:54.327 Australia's Premier Roger Cook says he just had other commitments. 0:02:53.847 --> 0:02:57.447 Okay, even he took a leaf out of I think 0:02:57.447 --> 0:02:59.447 it's Zoe Foster Blake who's talked about this. You don't 0:02:59.447 --> 0:03:02.567 give an excuse because Charles might say it's all right, 0:03:02.607 --> 0:03:04.167 I'll go the next day when you don't have your 0:03:04.167 --> 0:03:07.607 cabinet meeting. Yeah, and then and then you're screwed, whereas 0:03:07.647 --> 0:03:11.047 this guy has gone absolutely not. I'm just out for 0:03:11.047 --> 0:03:13.527 the whole week. How about the New South Wales cabinet meeting. 0:03:16.567 --> 0:03:18.127 But that's why I went because I didn't have a 0:03:18.127 --> 0:03:23.007 cabinet meeting obviously. But I'm interested to understand what this means, 0:03:23.407 --> 0:03:26.367 because obviously all of these people could make themselves available, 0:03:26.647 --> 0:03:29.727 but they've chosen not to. Do you think that they 0:03:29.767 --> 0:03:32.167 all checked with each other, that there's a group text 0:03:32.207 --> 0:03:35.007 as a group chat, and they're all like, I'm not going, 0:03:35.007 --> 0:03:36.847 and it's all if you're not going, and I'm not going, 0:03:36.887 --> 0:03:39.487 and it's like, well, if we all make excuses, then 0:03:39.527 --> 0:03:42.407 there's no attention on any one of us fight turning up. 0:03:42.527 --> 0:03:47.127 For example, if Tasmania just went, you'd look very loyalist. 0:03:47.487 --> 0:03:49.687 It would be almost a political statement to be the 0:03:49.727 --> 0:03:53.207 only one going. But I just keep thinking, this is 0:03:53.247 --> 0:03:55.127 a recurring nightmare of mind. This is why I don't 0:03:55.127 --> 0:03:58.087 have birthday parties, because I have this dream that I 0:03:58.167 --> 0:03:59.727 invite all of these people to my house and no 0:03:59.767 --> 0:04:03.047 one shows up, and poor Charles must be because remember 0:04:03.047 --> 0:04:07.047 there's humming with these coronations. He asked all the people 0:04:07.047 --> 0:04:08.447 to perform, and all of them said no. 0:04:08.767 --> 0:04:14.127 Katie pir he said, yes, if you could live inside 0:04:14.167 --> 0:04:16.367 of a cartoon, which one would it be? 0:04:17.007 --> 0:04:18.207 Barbie? 0:04:18.767 --> 0:04:19.167 And why? 0:04:19.767 --> 0:04:23.087 I really like Raquel and it's a good show and 0:04:23.127 --> 0:04:24.287 I watch it every night. 0:04:24.607 --> 0:04:27.807 I will literally be like gues, I'm a barbe Come on. 0:04:28.087 --> 0:04:30.607 Two things happened over the weekend that made me think 0:04:30.687 --> 0:04:34.567 about social media, children's faces, fame, and the choices that 0:04:34.687 --> 0:04:39.047 parents make. The first was Australian business owner Kick founder 0:04:39.127 --> 0:04:42.127 Steph clare Smith, who is mum to three year old Harvey, 0:04:42.767 --> 0:04:45.607 and over the weekend I noticed she uploaded a video 0:04:46.007 --> 0:04:49.207 of a day out with Harvey, but in that video, 0:04:49.567 --> 0:04:51.367 his face was blurred and that was the first time 0:04:51.407 --> 0:04:54.847 I'd seen her blow his face. Reacting to what must 0:04:54.887 --> 0:04:57.727 have been some criticism, she then jumped onto her stories 0:04:57.767 --> 0:05:00.647 and said that along with her husband, they've decided to 0:05:00.727 --> 0:05:04.487 no longer share Harvey's face. He has been recognized on 0:05:04.527 --> 0:05:07.727 the street by people he doesn't know and that's really 0:05:07.887 --> 0:05:11.007 confusing for him. And so from now on she said, 0:05:11.167 --> 0:05:13.927 we won't see him on her Instagram, and she has 0:05:14.007 --> 0:05:16.127 one point five million followers. 0:05:15.767 --> 0:05:17.567 We won't see him at all, or we just won't 0:05:17.567 --> 0:05:18.727 see his actual face. 0:05:18.967 --> 0:05:21.767 We won't see his face, okay, And you know, she said, 0:05:21.767 --> 0:05:23.487 a lot of people are going, oh, well, why even 0:05:23.567 --> 0:05:26.487 upload that? If I scroll back, if I Google, I 0:05:26.527 --> 0:05:28.487 can find pictures of him. So what's the difference. And 0:05:28.567 --> 0:05:30.807 to that, she said, you don't have to understand my 0:05:30.847 --> 0:05:32.927 decision or agree with it. This is what we're doing 0:05:32.967 --> 0:05:35.927 moving forward now. The next thing I saw in my 0:05:35.967 --> 0:05:39.847 Instagram feet over the weekend was reality star and business 0:05:39.847 --> 0:05:44.007 owner Kim Kardashian speaking to Interview magazine beside her eleven 0:05:44.087 --> 0:05:48.407 year old daughter Northwest. Clips from that conversation have since 0:05:48.447 --> 0:05:50.527 gone viral, which you heard at the top of the segment. 0:05:50.967 --> 0:05:54.607 Northwest was speaking about her relationship with God, how much 0:05:54.607 --> 0:05:58.527 she loves Barbie, her complicated relationship with the paparazzi, and 0:05:58.567 --> 0:06:01.807 how she can't wait to start her careers. Mostly she's 0:06:01.967 --> 0:06:04.247 brimming with business idea. She wants to have fashion label 0:06:04.287 --> 0:06:07.527 called Northwest, and the fact that she used careers plural, 0:06:07.607 --> 0:06:11.167 I think says everything about this upcoming generation. These two 0:06:11.207 --> 0:06:15.807 examples felt like such an illustrative snapshot of the tensions 0:06:15.807 --> 0:06:19.007 that currently exist in our culture around sharing images of 0:06:19.087 --> 0:06:22.647 children online and if we do share, how much at 0:06:22.647 --> 0:06:26.967 what age? And can we change our decision? M you 0:06:27.047 --> 0:06:29.767 know social media better than just about anyone. Do you 0:06:29.807 --> 0:06:33.847 have any reaction when you see either someone share images 0:06:33.887 --> 0:06:37.167 of their kids or share images with their faces blurred out? 0:06:37.207 --> 0:06:39.847 Because I've seen that increasingly as well. 0:06:40.047 --> 0:06:41.967 When I first started seeing this happen, because I think 0:06:42.007 --> 0:06:44.327 only now a lot of my friends are having children, 0:06:44.767 --> 0:06:47.527 so there's a lot of kids on my Instagram feeds. 0:06:47.927 --> 0:06:50.087 Didn't ask for them to be. Yeah, I don't follow them. 0:06:50.087 --> 0:06:54.807 I follow my friends follow Get out of my face. 0:06:55.047 --> 0:06:56.567 Nobody wants this, he said. 0:06:57.247 --> 0:07:00.447 But what I've noticed is that you know how Instagram 0:07:00.487 --> 0:07:03.127 has like a close friends options when you do your 0:07:03.167 --> 0:07:06.447 Instagram stories, I've noticed that a lot of them will 0:07:06.447 --> 0:07:09.647 blur their kids' face on their main stories or their feed, 0:07:09.847 --> 0:07:12.287 but have the normal photo without the blur on their 0:07:12.287 --> 0:07:15.207 close friends stories. And I don't know how to ask 0:07:15.647 --> 0:07:18.727 why am I allowed to see your child? And who's 0:07:18.767 --> 0:07:19.847 not allowed to see your child? 0:07:19.887 --> 0:07:19.967 Like? 0:07:20.127 --> 0:07:21.167 Who doesn't make it? 0:07:21.207 --> 0:07:21.327 So? 0:07:21.367 --> 0:07:23.287 These aren't famous people to be clear. 0:07:23.167 --> 0:07:25.487 No, these are like my friends who aren't famous. 0:07:25.567 --> 0:07:28.367 I've got people who are influencers who I say do 0:07:28.447 --> 0:07:31.287 the same thing. I wonder that too. 0:07:31.527 --> 0:07:32.367 I go, who are you? 0:07:32.967 --> 0:07:35.207 Who is? And I get it, like maybe they know 0:07:35.247 --> 0:07:37.207 that they've got certain journalists or they've got I mean 0:07:37.207 --> 0:07:38.167 home a journalists. 0:07:38.407 --> 0:07:41.687 But oh no, I completely understand that that's about having control, 0:07:41.727 --> 0:07:44.847 because anyone can follow you if you're not private, anyone 0:07:44.847 --> 0:07:47.047 can follow you on social media, and particularly if you 0:07:47.127 --> 0:07:50.807 need to have a public account for your job, particularly 0:07:50.847 --> 0:07:52.727 if you're an influencer, but if you're any person in 0:07:52.727 --> 0:07:55.807 the public eye. Everybody kind of needs to promote their 0:07:55.847 --> 0:07:59.767 business these days, no matter what it is, so there 0:07:59.927 --> 0:08:02.327 will always be people following you who you don't know, 0:08:03.007 --> 0:08:06.247 whereas with close friends, you can literally choose maybe that's 0:08:06.287 --> 0:08:08.927 only four people, or maybe that's forty people, but they're 0:08:08.927 --> 0:08:10.567 all people who you actually know. 0:08:10.967 --> 0:08:13.967 But what I want to know is also, if you're 0:08:13.967 --> 0:08:16.887 going to blur your kid's face, why post the photo 0:08:17.207 --> 0:08:19.567 in the first place. I think it ruins a really 0:08:19.607 --> 0:08:20.207 good photo. 0:08:20.487 --> 0:08:23.047 I have heard a few of my friends get snarky 0:08:23.087 --> 0:08:25.447 about this because they say, just don't share it. It's fine. 0:08:25.807 --> 0:08:29.887 I will defend people uploading pictures with a blurred face, 0:08:29.967 --> 0:08:33.007 because if you want to share scenes from your life, 0:08:33.447 --> 0:08:36.367 and if you're a content creator, if you've got to 0:08:36.407 --> 0:08:40.367 feed that beast, then I totally get how you want 0:08:40.367 --> 0:08:43.687 to share parts of you and what you're doing. Your 0:08:43.767 --> 0:08:47.447 child is inevitably probably in some of those images, and 0:08:47.527 --> 0:08:49.927 so blurring their face means you can still share it 0:08:49.967 --> 0:08:53.567 but not reveal their identity. And I think this is 0:08:53.607 --> 0:08:54.607 something I'm grappling with. 0:08:54.687 --> 0:08:57.887 So you're saying that you can this is going to 0:08:57.927 --> 0:09:00.527 sound wrong perform your identity as a parent, and I 0:09:00.567 --> 0:09:03.887 don't mean perform has been faking, but like sharing your 0:09:03.887 --> 0:09:08.727 identity as a parent without sharing your child's actual identity exactly. 0:09:08.807 --> 0:09:10.967 And if you're a parent, then that is what your 0:09:11.007 --> 0:09:12.567 weekends look like. Like what are you meant to do? 0:09:12.607 --> 0:09:13.487 Kick them out of the photo? 0:09:13.687 --> 0:09:16.687 I was going to say, like do one photo for 0:09:16.727 --> 0:09:19.887 the family and then one I'm without the kids, so 0:09:19.927 --> 0:09:22.127 it's like you're just like in an empty high chair, 0:09:22.167 --> 0:09:23.087 like feeding nothing. 0:09:23.407 --> 0:09:27.767 I totally get it, because my tension around this has 0:09:27.847 --> 0:09:31.807 been how do we protect the images of children who 0:09:31.887 --> 0:09:36.647 can't consent to having their image shared while also having 0:09:36.767 --> 0:09:41.407 important conversations about parenting and motherhood and not erasing the 0:09:41.527 --> 0:09:45.287 experience of parenting from the public domain, Like, how do 0:09:45.407 --> 0:09:49.407 you have conversations about that without children? 0:09:49.527 --> 0:09:52.007 Well, maybe it's by blurring faces. I mean, it's interesting. 0:09:52.327 --> 0:09:56.207 I'm now going through it again with Lunar, my granddaughter, 0:09:56.367 --> 0:09:59.567 your child, and I'm really confirmed. Well, I'm actually not 0:09:59.607 --> 0:10:01.247 conflicted about it. I'm just not going to do it. 0:10:01.287 --> 0:10:02.647 I just haven't done it. At first. 0:10:02.727 --> 0:10:02.927 I had. 0:10:03.007 --> 0:10:04.567 I didn't do it because I didn't feel that it 0:10:04.607 --> 0:10:06.647 was my right to do it, because it's up to 0:10:06.687 --> 0:10:10.847 you and Luca. Now I I feel very clearly that 0:10:10.927 --> 0:10:13.167 I don't want to do it for the same reason 0:10:13.247 --> 0:10:15.127 that I don't do it for my own children and 0:10:15.167 --> 0:10:18.527 never have. Because I have a lot of people who 0:10:18.527 --> 0:10:20.967 are following me, and not all of those people like me. 0:10:21.087 --> 0:10:23.567 Some of those people hate follow me, and I would 0:10:23.727 --> 0:10:27.847 never want to put anyone that I love in that situation. 0:10:27.967 --> 0:10:32.047 And also, my children don't want to be public people. 0:10:32.207 --> 0:10:36.327 Northwest clearly does, Sunday Rose clearly does. So she's on 0:10:36.367 --> 0:10:40.247 a catwalk. Although Nicole and Keith have almost never shared 0:10:40.927 --> 0:10:43.927 photos of their children, it's interesting now she's sixteen, she 0:10:44.007 --> 0:10:46.967 could consent and I know that's not social media that's 0:10:47.007 --> 0:10:50.127 being in the public eye. The question is what are 0:10:50.167 --> 0:10:54.367 children consenting to and are they capable of making those 0:10:54.447 --> 0:10:56.567 kinds of decisions? 0:10:56.887 --> 0:11:00.087 And I suppose too, what are parent's consenting to? Right 0:11:00.127 --> 0:11:04.007 because we don't know. It's an ever changing beast that 0:11:04.047 --> 0:11:07.287 we don't fully understand. And what I really respect about 0:11:07.527 --> 0:11:10.127 Steph klas Smith I defect and her right to change 0:11:10.127 --> 0:11:12.887 her mind about So I think that that's a one 0:11:13.007 --> 0:11:14.927 year old is different to a three year old, is 0:11:14.927 --> 0:11:18.407 different to a thirteen year old, and we're all at 0:11:18.567 --> 0:11:21.207 different stages. And I think that's the thing with parenting too, 0:11:21.287 --> 0:11:25.127 is that everyone has different values or hierarchy of values 0:11:25.167 --> 0:11:27.607 when it comes to parenting, and no judgment about what 0:11:27.647 --> 0:11:30.647 they are. Like my child is probably eating a lunch 0:11:30.727 --> 0:11:34.967 right now. That would horrify some listeners because the nutritional 0:11:35.287 --> 0:11:37.607 makeup of her lunch isn't my number one priority, right, 0:11:38.247 --> 0:11:41.967 But for other people, like if Steph Klasmith did want 0:11:42.007 --> 0:11:45.927 to share her child's face, like that's just how she's 0:11:46.167 --> 0:11:49.327 choosing to parent. And because it's so public, I think 0:11:49.327 --> 0:11:52.007 everyone then feels like they get to have an opinion 0:11:52.167 --> 0:11:52.487 about it. 0:11:52.487 --> 0:11:54.487 As we're all figuring it out. But the other thing 0:11:54.567 --> 0:11:57.527 is what she said, which is so relevant and I 0:11:57.567 --> 0:11:59.967 hadn't really thought about it before, is that it's a 0:12:00.007 --> 0:12:02.447 safety issue for these children. You have to teach your 0:12:02.487 --> 0:12:04.527 children about stranger danger and who you speak to in 0:12:04.527 --> 0:12:06.887 public and who's a safe person and who's not. If 0:12:06.887 --> 0:12:10.967 someone suddenly knows your name, recognize as you calls out 0:12:10.967 --> 0:12:13.167 to you in the street. You're always with a three 0:12:13.247 --> 0:12:15.767 year old, but what if you're not, Yeah, when they're 0:12:15.767 --> 0:12:18.327 a little bit older and they're waiting outside the schoolgate 0:12:18.327 --> 0:12:21.007 and someone's like, hey, Harvey, your mum told me to 0:12:21.007 --> 0:12:23.407 come and pick you up, or even just hey Harvey, 0:12:23.407 --> 0:12:26.127 can I have a selfie? And you're not there to 0:12:26.207 --> 0:12:26.807 protect to. 0:12:26.807 --> 0:12:30.687 Have Yeah, And how are you to anticipate that before 0:12:30.727 --> 0:12:34.007 it happens. That's something that I've recognized, right, Like I 0:12:34.127 --> 0:12:36.167 might have told this on the podcast before, but I 0:12:36.327 --> 0:12:39.687 was sharing images of Luna in particularly the first few 0:12:39.807 --> 0:12:41.967 months of her life. She is my entire world, so 0:12:42.007 --> 0:12:45.367 it feels like what else would I share? And a 0:12:45.407 --> 0:12:48.967 few comments popped up about I'd spoken on the podcast 0:12:49.007 --> 0:12:51.447 about her she was slow to gain weight, and a 0:12:51.447 --> 0:12:55.327 few really critical comments popped up about Luna and about 0:12:55.327 --> 0:13:00.487 how she looked. And I read those and had this 0:13:00.847 --> 0:13:04.647 fierce protective instinct of say what you want about me, 0:13:04.767 --> 0:13:08.327 but you don't get to say that about my daughter. 0:13:08.407 --> 0:13:13.847 Like I was so so horrified by that, and I 0:13:13.927 --> 0:13:16.287 never would have thought that that would happen, like, which 0:13:16.327 --> 0:13:18.407 sounds so silly because you go, well, of course people 0:13:18.407 --> 0:13:19.967 are going to be critical. If people hate you, they'll 0:13:20.007 --> 0:13:22.327 hurt your kid, but of a baby, But of a baby. 0:13:22.407 --> 0:13:24.607 It's like I had to have that experience to go 0:13:25.087 --> 0:13:27.967 all right, I am going to be forever navigating my 0:13:28.047 --> 0:13:30.567 relationship between how much I share about me and my 0:13:30.927 --> 0:13:32.167 child and all of it. 0:13:32.447 --> 0:13:35.567 If Luna becomes more recognizable when she gets older, because 0:13:35.647 --> 0:13:37.207 right now, for me, like all babies can't look the 0:13:37.207 --> 0:13:37.487 same way. 0:13:37.527 --> 0:13:38.047 I understand. 0:13:38.087 --> 0:13:38.607 I agree with you. 0:13:38.767 --> 0:13:41.527 I understand the change like showing your baby and then 0:13:41.567 --> 0:13:43.847 it becomes recognizable. So then you stop, do you reckon 0:13:43.927 --> 0:13:44.687 or stop showing her. 0:13:44.887 --> 0:13:48.847 We've talked before about leaking intimacy and having moments. You know, 0:13:49.207 --> 0:13:52.047 my phone is just photos and videos of Luna that 0:13:52.087 --> 0:13:53.647 are being sent to family all the time. 0:13:53.487 --> 0:13:57.087 And we're content creators. Yeah, so it's it's challenging, right 0:13:57.127 --> 0:13:59.247 because you're like, this is a funny story, this is 0:13:59.287 --> 0:14:02.167 a cute video. We all try to show up on 0:14:02.327 --> 0:14:06.007 social in an authentic way. And it often strikes me 0:14:06.247 --> 0:14:08.927 that my children and now Luna are my whole world, 0:14:09.007 --> 0:14:11.807 and I don't put any of them on social at all. 0:14:11.847 --> 0:14:14.487 But we're sort of talking about the downside of it. 0:14:14.567 --> 0:14:18.007 The other side of it is just that when you're 0:14:18.327 --> 0:14:20.607 on social media, whether you have a big following or 0:14:20.647 --> 0:14:24.687 whether you don't, people do have a parasocial relationship with you, right, 0:14:24.847 --> 0:14:27.967 And that is a weird thing to come to terms 0:14:28.007 --> 0:14:30.087 with and to process. And we're all still doing it 0:14:30.167 --> 0:14:32.647 like that. People feel that they know us because they 0:14:32.647 --> 0:14:34.167 do know us, because we put a lot of ourselves 0:14:34.207 --> 0:14:37.167 out there, whether it's on this show or on our socials. 0:14:37.767 --> 0:14:40.887 But that is a very big burden to give a child, 0:14:41.007 --> 0:14:42.967 because the person who wants a selfie might not be 0:14:43.007 --> 0:14:46.167 a kidnapper. They might just want a selfie. But that's weird, 0:14:46.847 --> 0:14:51.247 Like it's not a decision that they ever made out, 0:14:51.527 --> 0:14:52.727 it's just a bit of a head scrap. 0:14:52.807 --> 0:14:54.967 I suppose is that if you are a public figure, 0:14:55.287 --> 0:14:57.847 then there's an element of that happening anyway. Right, you're 0:14:57.887 --> 0:15:00.767 walking down the street and people go, oh, my goodness, 0:15:01.087 --> 0:15:04.847 Hamish Blake, and if you're with your kids, then suddenly 0:15:04.887 --> 0:15:08.407 they're thrust into the spotlight. And we know Northwest is 0:15:08.447 --> 0:15:11.807 talking about being happed, like these children are also being 0:15:11.847 --> 0:15:16.127 photographed without their permission. For the lacks of Northwest. I 0:15:16.207 --> 0:15:18.887 was thinking, yeah, she was in Vogue at one, but 0:15:18.967 --> 0:15:21.807 also her life has been the stuff of a reality 0:15:21.847 --> 0:15:25.167 television show since she was born, so she's of course yeah. 0:15:25.207 --> 0:15:27.767 And it was really interesting to watch that video and 0:15:27.847 --> 0:15:30.007 read that interview. And she's on the cover of this 0:15:30.087 --> 0:15:32.287 magazine and she's eleven, right, and one of the quotes 0:15:32.367 --> 0:15:34.127 or one of the you know, it was her mother 0:15:34.207 --> 0:15:37.367 doing the interview. But I felt very this sounds like 0:15:37.407 --> 0:15:40.527 concern trolling. But the stuff you say at eleven, I 0:15:40.567 --> 0:15:42.647 don't know if you want that immortalized. Like she says 0:15:42.647 --> 0:15:45.887 some pretty full on stuff about God and about the 0:15:45.927 --> 0:15:49.567 devil and her siblings, and you know, even some of 0:15:49.567 --> 0:15:51.927 the more innocuous stuff. Kim says to her, what do 0:15:51.967 --> 0:15:54.567 you want to be when you grow up? And north says, 0:15:54.607 --> 0:15:56.287 I don't know, because I already do a lot of 0:15:56.327 --> 0:15:58.007 stuff that I want to be when I grow up. 0:15:58.087 --> 0:16:00.847 I just want to pursue my careers now, and then 0:16:01.007 --> 0:16:04.247 Kim says, that's amazing that you know so young. What 0:16:04.287 --> 0:16:07.367 would be your fake name? This is the family business. 0:16:07.407 --> 0:16:11.807 The family business is reality TV, it's selling product, it's 0:16:12.407 --> 0:16:16.087 having all these kinds of opportunities because of your name. 0:16:16.487 --> 0:16:20.167 And she sees her whole family work really hard as well, 0:16:20.807 --> 0:16:24.127 but they exist in front of the camera. She's never 0:16:24.167 --> 0:16:25.807 known anything else, and so does her father. 0:16:27.167 --> 0:16:28.047 I saw as well. 0:16:28.247 --> 0:16:31.847 Just recently, Saint, who's the I think next youngest maybe 0:16:32.007 --> 0:16:35.247 got a YouTube account and Kim Kardashin had Saint sign 0:16:35.287 --> 0:16:38.007 a contract that she shared, you know, all the accounts, 0:16:38.007 --> 0:16:41.407 even Kim and North. The TikTok account is definitely overseen 0:16:41.447 --> 0:16:44.767 by an adult, you can tell. And it's pretty harmless stuff. 0:16:45.607 --> 0:16:49.127 But when you're a parent, I think that you assume 0:16:49.247 --> 0:16:51.767 that everyone will love your child as much as you 0:16:51.807 --> 0:16:54.767 do because you see something very different to what the 0:16:54.807 --> 0:16:57.007 rest of the world sees. So when I was sharing 0:16:57.047 --> 0:16:59.727 those images of Luna, I was like, can you even believe. 0:16:59.927 --> 0:17:02.287 I have had the most breathtaking childs? And there people 0:17:02.327 --> 0:17:03.807 like she looks like a potato. 0:17:03.527 --> 0:17:05.887 Yeah, And I feel like this is the whole universe 0:17:05.927 --> 0:17:08.047 in an image. Can you believe anything has ever been 0:17:08.087 --> 0:17:10.927 this cute? And the thing about the world is that 0:17:10.967 --> 0:17:13.887 they are simply not looking at the same photograph. And 0:17:14.007 --> 0:17:17.207 so even Northwest I've seen. Do you remember recently the 0:17:17.247 --> 0:17:30.327 Lion King the she performed in the Music Hall and 0:17:30.327 --> 0:17:32.807 there was a Lion King clip and then that went 0:17:33.007 --> 0:17:34.967 viral because a lot of people went, well, I think 0:17:35.007 --> 0:17:37.007 that it's nepotism that she got this role and it 0:17:37.047 --> 0:17:39.167 was a terrible performance, and listened to her voice. 0:17:39.207 --> 0:17:42.047 I felt the same way about Sunday Rose Kidman Urban 0:17:42.327 --> 0:17:46.567 who opened the show for Meumu. Now, she's a girl 0:17:46.607 --> 0:17:48.927 who was always the minute she was on a red carpet, 0:17:48.967 --> 0:17:51.247 and I noticed that Nicole had heard two daughters when 0:17:51.287 --> 0:17:56.207 she was inducted into a Hall of Fame for something recently, 0:17:56.367 --> 0:17:58.167 she had her two daughters on the red carpet with 0:17:58.207 --> 0:18:00.047 her for the first time, along with her sister and 0:18:00.087 --> 0:18:02.207 her niece. I was like, Oh, those girls are going 0:18:02.287 --> 0:18:04.567 to be models in a hot second, because they're tall, 0:18:04.727 --> 0:18:07.767 they're beautiful, they're like all of those things. But to 0:18:07.887 --> 0:18:11.127 open a Mewmu show, that is a big friggin deal. 0:18:11.327 --> 0:18:14.487 And I get that she's sixteen. What an amazing opportunity, 0:18:15.287 --> 0:18:19.527 but she got absolutely slammed because that's what the internet is, right, Like, 0:18:19.567 --> 0:18:20.847 there are going to be people who are going to 0:18:20.887 --> 0:18:22.647 be lovely, but most of the people who are going 0:18:22.687 --> 0:18:26.527 to comment are going to say horrible things. Oh that's 0:18:26.567 --> 0:18:28.647 a big thing to expose your child too. So as 0:18:28.687 --> 0:18:31.607 a parent, how do you balance that between here's this 0:18:31.687 --> 0:18:34.847 amazing opportunity, Yeah, what am I exposing them to? 0:18:34.887 --> 0:18:36.807 Because it has to come out one way, right, So 0:18:36.927 --> 0:18:38.607 is it better to come out as an eleven year 0:18:38.607 --> 0:18:40.647 old or as a sixteen year old? Like even with 0:18:40.687 --> 0:18:44.527 the Northwest stuff. I was watching that interview, and everything 0:18:44.527 --> 0:18:47.247 she says, in my eyes, seemed fine for an eleven 0:18:47.327 --> 0:18:49.927 year old to say, because all eleven year olds are notissist, Like, 0:18:49.927 --> 0:18:50.687 that's something. 0:18:50.487 --> 0:18:53.207 I would have said. I would have said the exact 0:18:53.207 --> 0:18:53.527 same thing. 0:18:53.567 --> 0:18:55.647 I can't wait to do my careers, except my mom 0:18:55.687 --> 0:18:58.327 would have been like, that's my sweetie. We is like 0:18:58.367 --> 0:19:01.127 tell me more like she's like indulging that behavior. 0:19:01.207 --> 0:19:02.047 It's trademarket. 0:19:02.207 --> 0:19:05.447