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Speaker 1: The tiniest bit goes such a long way. It's so pigmented,

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Speaker 2: Makeup is my therapy.

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Speaker 2: Jailty about it. Hello, and welcome to you Beauty the

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Speaker 2: daily podcast for Your Face. I'm Lucy Neville and this

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Speaker 2: is in Her Bag where I sit down with one

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Speaker 2: of the biggest names in beauty and swoop through their

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Speaker 2: makeup bag. Today our guest is model and content creator

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Speaker 2: Vaco Kuwapiura. Born in Namibia and having lived in South Africa,

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Speaker 2: the UK and now Sydney, She's had an incredible journey.

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Speaker 2: You might recognize her from the fourth season of Love

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Speaker 2: Island Australia, where she won us all over with her

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Speaker 2: charisma and humor. She is so bloody funny. She was

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Speaker 2: also on the seventh season of The Bachelor Australia. She's

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Speaker 2: modeled for brands like Maybelene Clinique and Essay Lauder and

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Speaker 2: finalist for Miss Universe Australia twenty twenty one. Vacco is

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Speaker 2: a proud woman of color, and she's passionate about promoting

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Speaker 2: diversity in fashion and media. Today we're gonna be chatting

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Speaker 2: about the highlighter that had her checking herself out in

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Speaker 2: the mirror, stories from the makeup artist's chair, and an

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Speaker 2: important discussion about beauty inclusivity. This is Bacco.

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Speaker 1: I had to find the liner in my bag. What's

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Speaker 2: Tell me about your journey with beauty.

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Speaker 1: My journey with beauty has been a long one. I

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Speaker 1: actually been getting a lot of throwback photos of me

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Speaker 1: when I was like thirteen, with like purple eyeshadow, and

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Speaker 1: the world. No, it was so bad. I really didn't

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Speaker 1: wear makeup and I never got into skincare or anything.

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Speaker 1: But my mom would always just tell me, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter what you do, just put sunscreen on. Just put

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Speaker 1: sunscreen on you. Yeah, since I was like fifteen, that's

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Speaker 1: like the biggest thing that I've ever taken away from it.

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Speaker 1: But it's been quite a journey for me just to find,

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Speaker 1: you know, the right shades for my skin, the right undertones.

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Speaker 1: I never really understood that I thought I could just

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Speaker 1: sounds stupid, but I didn't realize that there was more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And you work in the modeling industry, what

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Speaker 2: have your experience has been like sitting in makeup artist chairs.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Australian makeup artists or just the

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Speaker 1: beauty industry in general is so far behind. Like we're

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Speaker 1: getting there, We're getting so much better. But I've been

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Speaker 1: what I do for work, there's been so many situations

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Speaker 2: beauty horror story. Oh yes, told me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it was one day on set and I

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Speaker 1: But you can't trust anything that starts off with black paint.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, so I let her do it.

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Speaker 1: And I just happened to have my fenty in my bag,

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Speaker 2: all brands, you know, to be like Undertones, Shade Range.

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Speaker 2: The conclusion is so important.

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Speaker 1: It's not talked about enough. Really. I feel like it

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Speaker 1: After all that happened. I was actually excited to go

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Speaker 2: We got to do better. Yeah, seriously, all brands, all artists.

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Speaker 1: Everyone, and we are though we're getting I don't want

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Speaker 2: Just talk to me about industry. Friends. You know, you're

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited about freckles.

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Speaker 2: I like freckles.

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Speaker 1: I love freckles.

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Speaker 2: What it is for your freckles, the knicks brow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm just like dot it. It doesn't suit

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Speaker 2: Which trends are you not gonna try?

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try the boyfriend blush?

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Speaker 2: What's this boyfriend flush?

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Speaker 1: It's like a way of putting on blush, but you

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Speaker 2: So instead of taking a rush from like the center

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Speaker 1: But it's supposed to help people with different types of

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Speaker 1: And everyone's really into the pink blush trend, but I

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Speaker 1: pink doesn't look good on me.

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Speaker 2: What's your color for blood?

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Speaker 1: Like a mauve, like a deep red, a purple and

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Speaker 2: I love that, love that. Who are your beauty icons

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Speaker 1: Honestly, it's Rihanna. It's not the fact that she changed

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Speaker 1: always got the looks. I just love people who take

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Speaker 2: You can take it off.

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Speaker 1: I feel like people who just get offended by makeup.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, go touch Grass because it's just not

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's time for us to under your makeup bag.

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Speaker 1: First product is my Mac Foundation, my Mac Studio fix.

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Speaker 1: It never disappoints the liquid or the powder.

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Speaker 1: I like buildable foundations just because for work, I can't

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Speaker 1: I love the nas reading creamy Conceala. A little bit

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Speaker 1: that one. And then for blush, I've been really into

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Speaker 1: red Beauty now, the Rare Beauty Stay Vulnerable melting blush.

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Speaker 2: It's like a cream.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a cream formula. It just glides on

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Speaker 2: The Rare Beauty cult classic one. You like the one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the one in the pan. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: Do you apply with a blender with the brush with fingers?

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Speaker 1: I apply with the brush, So I tried with the

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Speaker 1: even my foundation, my conceala, everything, but I'll do my

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Speaker 2: Now, do you do contour.

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Speaker 1: Or like contour? I just started learning about contour. I

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Speaker 1: and because they never really do contour because it's they

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Speaker 1: to learn how to contot. So I started controing just

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Speaker 1: here under my cheeks and I use the mcre beauty.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's just a foundation, but I use

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Speaker 1: in the darkest shade they have, and I'll just three

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Speaker 1: an angle brush as well, and it blends in so beautifully. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's the best blend of my life. Actually, it's really

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Speaker 1: I actually I like MC beauty because they're so affordable.

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Speaker 1: So there, but I haven't gotten into my nose yet.

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Speaker 2: It's scary.

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Speaker 1: It's scary and like it's the last step almost because

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Speaker 1: your foundation's done. Everything's done, so if you mess that

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Speaker 1: I'm not leaving my house. I love Lipliness, the mac Chestnut.

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Speaker 1: It's like a deep brown. That one is perfect because

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Speaker 1: I like lip glosses. I have a lot of lip glosses.

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Speaker 2: So it's your lip thing. We're doing a line and

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Speaker 2: And what about setting spray powder? I like, do you

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Speaker 2: Setting continuous missed.

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Speaker 1: what my face looks globy as well. It's from the settings.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, ten times. I'm gonna start doing with you should.

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Speaker 1: What you makeup hacks?

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Speaker 2: What is another hack that you've kind of taken from

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Speaker 1: My favorite hack now is to mix my foundations. So

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Speaker 2: Having a customizable shade, and you know that helps you

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Speaker 2: It when you feel a sneeze coming.

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Speaker 1: To be right, you have to hold oh my that

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