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Speaker 2: supply Hello and welcome to Cancel, the podcast that looks
Speaker 2: at silly celebrity crimes and assigns charges and sentences to
Speaker 2: them so that we can all move on with our lives.
Speaker 2: I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm joined by Claire Stephens and Claire.
Speaker 2: Today we are not talking about a single celebrity. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: which I mean we always say like this is like
Speaker 2: we cancel celebrities. I mean, we recently did the Olympics,
Speaker 2: so we're not very good with our own criteria. But
Speaker 2: can we have boundaries we just don't operate within. No,
Speaker 2: we're looking at the greatest love story never told, even
Speaker 2: though I'd argue that it's been told more than any
Speaker 2: other love story. Correct, We're talking about a relationship that
Speaker 2: began with jigglely or gigly and ended maybe with this
Speaker 2: is me. Now, we are talking about a union that
Speaker 2: was first established twenty two years ago, before Jojo Siwa
Speaker 2: was even born. We're talking about benefit.
Speaker 3: Who used to seeing me around the house kind of
Speaker 3: schleppy and kind of you know, and sweatpants and my strange.
Speaker 2: Socks and thinking. I'm not saying I'm not pretty.
Speaker 3: I'm saying you used to seeing me kind of like
Speaker 3: the little old lady at home.
Speaker 2: You're gorgeous, and we tell you something.
Speaker 1: Every relationship there's a bull and a cow.
Speaker 2: I'm the ball, you're the cow.
Speaker 1: Got that?
Speaker 2: I got a oh gosh what. Honestly, it cuts through
Speaker 2: so many generations. It does because they have always and
Speaker 2: they have never oh you know, yeah, for so long
Speaker 2: they weren't yes, but once they were, and then they
Speaker 2: were again again, and then maybe they weren't. And they're
Speaker 2: also just such an interesting example of like, will you
Speaker 2: get back with the should you? Should you? Jen? Jen,
Speaker 2: You've had three marriages in between. She has been married
Speaker 2: four times. She made a movie about it, in a documentary.
Speaker 2: So this is about Betafer if you don't know, that's
Speaker 2: about one Jennifer Lopez aka Jenny from the Block AKA.
Speaker 2: We have done an episode on her. You'll find that
Speaker 2: in the back catalog or in the show notes. Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 2: If you go hide, you can get then We've got
Speaker 2: Ben Affleck sad Ben Dragon tattoo, Ben ugly tattoo.
Speaker 1: Ben.
Speaker 2: Best part of my idea is for about ten seconds
Speaker 2: from when I pull up to the curb when I
Speaker 2: get to your door, because I think maybe i'll get
Speaker 2: up there and i'll knock on the door and you
Speaker 2: won't be there. We have also done an episode on
Speaker 2: Ben Affleck a lot of fun. But my structure for
Speaker 2: today is as follows, Benefer, the first time, Benefer, the
Speaker 2: second time, the wedding, this is Me now, divorce rumors.
Speaker 2: If you're wondering about the pause, it's because of the ellipses,
Speaker 2: which I think indicates because you know, her first album
Speaker 2: was this is Me Then? No, I didn't know that. Yes,
Speaker 2: it makes a lot more sense. That's why she now
Speaker 2: has this is Me Now, Yes Me now? So benefit
Speaker 2: the first time. Jen and Ben famously met on the
Speaker 2: set of Giggly Giggly. I think it's jilly. I think
Speaker 2: it's like I think it is too a romantic comedy
Speaker 2: crime movie that a wise person once said was too
Speaker 2: many genres. That was us, I said that. Do you
Speaker 2: just for anybody who hasn't recently listened to the Jen
Speaker 2: and or Ben episodes, you want to just give just
Speaker 2: a short summary of what the film is about. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so Ricky is Jlo is lesbian but not really, that's trick.
Speaker 2: And then they have to cut off a thumb, but
Speaker 2: the wrong thumb, and then they get in trouble, so
Speaker 2: they're gonna get killed, but then they don't because they
Speaker 2: talk their way out of it, and then they fall
Speaker 2: in love even though Ricky is a lesbian. But Ricky's
Speaker 2: not a lesbian anymore because she met Giggly. Giggly is
Speaker 2: that his name Affleck? I don't know. I haven't seen
Speaker 2: the film. I simply watched the trailer and I've never
Speaker 2: seen anything more confusing and shocking in my life.
Speaker 3: It means you're not my type.
Speaker 2: Good night, And it's just a reminder that I think
Speaker 2: when it comes to sexuality, like she just hadn't found
Speaker 2: the right dick yet. Right, Yeah, that's exactly it. It's
Speaker 2: the moral of the story fucked up? How could you
Speaker 2: make that? Well? Speaking of how could you make that?
Speaker 2: Martin Breast, It is widely considered to be one of
Speaker 2: the worst movies of all time, and the director Breast,
Speaker 2: that's his name, Come on now, at the time was
Speaker 2: well known and well regarded. He never directed a film again.
Speaker 2: He literally made a statement that once Giggly happened, he
Speaker 2: knew he'd never be invited back to make more films.
Speaker 2: He was like, I had a good run, but now
Speaker 2: it's time for me to disappear. Do you think famous
Speaker 2: people like the Jen and Ben's feel bad? I think
Speaker 2: they leave in their wake a trail of broken director
Speaker 2: creatations because, for reasons that they don't know, they agreed
Speaker 2: to be on a project that they shouldn't have. And
Speaker 2: Jen recovers, Ben recovers Martin breast He's like, I'm never
Speaker 2: going to Remembin. Meanwhile, Jen and Ben are going jiggly.
Speaker 2: Is the beginning of the greatest love story never told?
Speaker 2: And Martin's like, from my perspective, that was Korea ending.
Speaker 2: We told it. We told a love story on screen.
Speaker 2: Was it a great one? Absolutely? It was homophobic. It
Speaker 2: went to cinemas in the US, and then after three
Speaker 2: weeks they just straight up stopped showing it because it
Speaker 2: was upsetting people. I think they thought it was quite good.
Speaker 2: To this day, I think they're like, what's the big problem.
Speaker 2: It's like, go ask Martin. He's been redundant for twenty
Speaker 2: two years. Go watch it, watch it, Go watch it
Speaker 2: with some friends who are going to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: After the filming wrapped in March two thousand and two,
Speaker 2: Ben reportedly spent eighteen thousand dollars on a set of
Speaker 2: advertisements to express how much he loved working with Jen.
Speaker 2: Do you remember this yes. At the time she was
Speaker 2: married to her husband Chris Judd, no relation to Chris Judd,
Speaker 2: Bet Judd's husband. Yeah, yeah, yeah, as far as we know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's got a thing of marrying people who have names
Speaker 2: that other people have. For example, Mark Antony. I think
Speaker 2: his name's Mark Anthony. Well, I don't know. Is he
Speaker 2: the historical figure? No, but we'll get to here. Okay.
Speaker 2: The ad that he took out in the paper, it read,
Speaker 2: in part, you have shown kindness, dedication, diligence, humility, graciousness
Speaker 2: of spirit, beauty and courage, great empathy, astonishing talent, real poise,
Speaker 2: and true grace. It has been nothing but an honor
Speaker 2: and a pleasure to work with you. I only wish
Speaker 2: I were lucky enough to be in all your movies
Speaker 2: with love and respecting gratitude, Ben Flick. And where did
Speaker 2: you put that the paper? Okay? He could have just
Speaker 2: told her that. You know how, sometimes you work with
Speaker 2: someone and then you do a farewell card and you
Speaker 2: just write a little message. Yeah, well that's what Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we just wanted to take out a paper in the
Speaker 2: pap put it in the paper. This is the shit
Speaker 2: I've been begging for on my birthday card from my
Speaker 2: partner for seven or eight years. I would like to
Speaker 2: be described as having beauty in courage. Claire, what does
Speaker 2: beauty and courage mean? Okay, your courage is beautiful. Your
Speaker 2: courage to be in Jigli, your courage to be Ricky
Speaker 2: a turned lesbian. Okay, okay, no, no, you courageously make terrible decisions,
Speaker 2: but you're still beautiful while doing it. Love that just
Speaker 2: on Ben and his love letters, So I guess that's
Speaker 2: when it started, but we'll touch on it later. That
Speaker 2: he continued to write her love letters, and then on
Speaker 2: the set of This Is Me Now, he got any
Speaker 2: name and it was Penn Affleck. Honestly, they're just stand ups,
Speaker 2: aren't made comedians. They both maintained that there was no
Speaker 2: crossover with Jen's marriage, but it did end in mid
Speaker 2: two thousand and two, and four seconds later, she was
Speaker 2: pictured with Ben, who was taken by her graciousness of spirit.
Speaker 2: Jen then released Jenny from the block. Ben appears in
Speaker 2: the film clip kissing her on the bottom. They're both
Speaker 2: wearing sunglasses, pretending to hide from the paparazzi. But it's like,
Speaker 2: this is your music video, Yes you may and you're
Speaker 2: running and you're being like, don't follow us, don't follow us.
Speaker 2: Here I am, I'm Jen, And it reminded me of
Speaker 2: I was in the airport recently and I saw someone
Speaker 2: who was in all black, sunglasses on, cap, all of
Speaker 2: these things, and I want, well, you're clearly fucking famous.
Speaker 2: You're sign posting to me the famous. So I stared
Speaker 2: at her NonStop for forty five minutes. Did discover that
Speaker 2: she was a little bit famous. But I thought I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have looked twice if you didn't have your baseball
Speaker 2: cap on. Yeah, if you there's sunglasses on, and like
Speaker 2: the all black and ensemble, just dress like a homeless
Speaker 2: person like everyone else. Nobody else is wearing crisp, clean
Speaker 2: black attire. After three months of dating, Ben was so
Speaker 2: taken by Jen's true grace that he proposed with a
Speaker 2: one point two million dollar diamond drink. That's so good.
Speaker 2: All I'll say is you'd want to be sure. Later
Speaker 2: that month, they started filming another movie together called Jersey Girl,
Speaker 2: and Jen released her album This Is Me then, and
Speaker 2: she said that Ben is her life and soul inspiration
Speaker 2: for every lyric. Wow, there's a song a really cryptic
Speaker 2: one I had to go through with a fine tooth comb.
Speaker 2: It's called Dear Ben. Oh, I just cance trau myself.
Speaker 3: I can't be with no.
Speaker 2: And I would like you to do a dramatic reading
Speaker 2: of some of the lyrics that I have printed out
Speaker 2: right here from lyrics dot com. I would love nothing more. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is from Gen Tibet. Does Gen write her own songs?
Speaker 2: That's the thing I don't think so. I think that
Speaker 2: what she does is talk about Ben. And then someone
Speaker 2: writes the song about Ben okay, and they're like, maybe
Speaker 2: we could call it like dear Lover, and she's like, no,
Speaker 2: his name's Ben. I love you. You're perfect, a manifestation
Speaker 2: of my dreams. You make my body feel about a
Speaker 2: million different things. I think God made you for me,
Speaker 2: a mix of passionate fidelities. Not right, we've all written
Speaker 2: and like that. What does she have to rhyme when
Speaker 2: she did fidelities to have to rhyme with something me me? So,
Speaker 2: for example, I have a heart and you are the
Speaker 2: key of You might have been better than fidelities. Yeah, baby,
Speaker 2: you're so complete. I write this song to let you
Speaker 2: know that you will always be to me, my last,
Speaker 2: my love, my man, my child, a friend, child's interesting,
Speaker 2: my king. Now I don't like when people call their
Speaker 2: partner their king or their queen or their child. The
Speaker 2: child thing was really interesting. It throws me. I think
Speaker 2: she was missing. There was a beat and she had
Speaker 2: no word and she went, ah child, Yeah, and the
Speaker 2: person writing it went, that's odd, Jen, and she said
Speaker 2: it's perfect for my song. Did Ben Claire, I don't
Speaker 2: know what to tell you. She loves Ben. In July
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, that's about a year since they
Speaker 2: started dating, they did their first NBC primetime interview. It's
Speaker 2: forty one minutes of them talking about their relationship. There's
Speaker 2: at least two minutes dedicated to Ben saying that he
Speaker 2: does not like doing the dishes.
Speaker 3: It's not my favorite thing in the world to do.
Speaker 1: So now I'm happy I don't have to do them.
Speaker 2: I do do them. Ch Ah lovely riveting stuff. J
Speaker 2: Loo is making chicken, just frying it, okay in case
Speaker 2: you wondering. And he comes in and says, is that
Speaker 2: fish or is it chicken? And then she says it's chicken.
Speaker 2: And then they're like, oh, we're always frying stuff. Chicken
Speaker 2: beef pork, and I'm like, a fuck me, why am
Speaker 2: I watching this? It's not interesting. It's I think they
Speaker 2: think that because they're them, anything they do is interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and because everyone follows them around. But it's like, I
Speaker 2: don't need to be in on this joke where Ben's like,
Speaker 2: I don't mind doing the dishes, and she's like, you've
Speaker 2: never done the dishes, and it's like, in fairness, you've
Speaker 2: been together for two weeks. Also, I don't think either
Speaker 2: of you do the dishes, which is fine. I was
Speaker 2: surprised she was frying, you have stuff. I think that
Speaker 2: Ben and Jen when they're alone, they just sit together
Speaker 2: and intensely look into each other's eyes and tell each
Speaker 2: other how hot they are, which is actually fair and
Speaker 2: valid and true. Yeah, yeah, is Ben is just like
Speaker 2: your face and she's like, mmm, I think you're alone
Speaker 2: intensely and kind of gyrate, and then she does this thing.
Speaker 2: She has a dance move where she kind of caresses
Speaker 2: her own neck. She does a lot of that. But
Speaker 2: a few weeks later a story was published that claims
Speaker 2: that on the night the Dateline interview aired, afflic had
Speaker 2: visited a strip club and had sex with not one
Speaker 2: but two women. Can you remember what his excuse was? Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm making this up and I'm definitely wrong. He wanted
Speaker 2: a glass. He wanted a glass of water, so he
Speaker 2: ended up in a strip club. Yeah, and some conversation.
Speaker 2: I hate when I'm thirsty and I'm driving and I
Speaker 2: go I just want to drink of water. And then
Speaker 2: I go to a strip club and I fall into
Speaker 2: a vachina, two of them. A woman came out and
Speaker 2: said she slept with Affleck that night, and then his
Speaker 2: rapes came out and said, no, no, no, there's been
Speaker 2: some confusion because all afflic did at the strip club
Speaker 2: that night was have some H two O, which is
Speaker 2: good for you. Yeah, and some lovely conversations. The man
Speaker 2: was parked. Oh we honestly denying a man a glass
Speaker 2: water in a strip club club, some lovely entertainment around,
Speaker 2: but some music, some dancing. He likes dancing. He was thinking,
Speaker 2: you know who'd like this, Jen, she loves some dancing.
Speaker 2: He wanted someone to talk to. Who is he meant
Speaker 2: to talk to j Lo? No, she wasn't there. Matt
Speaker 2: Damien had lied. No, his mom. No, he needed to
Speaker 2: talk to his friends. The stupers. Okay, they ended up
Speaker 2: postponing their wedding because of media attention and eventually broke
Speaker 2: up because of media attention or because he's love with
Speaker 2: you other people You'll never know, We don't know. They
Speaker 2: always spoke of each other very highly. Ben commended Jalo
Speaker 2: on her great talent, and Jalo always said they broke
Speaker 2: up because of all the media attention. That was their story.
Speaker 2: They stuck to her. No one is a bigger fan
Speaker 2: of Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck. I think he's simply
Speaker 2: a fan. I think he might just be a fan. Actually,
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a boyfriend. I don't think he's
Speaker 2: a husband. He's She's fine. We don't are fans, no benefit.
Speaker 2: The second time, Affleck would go on to marry Jennifer Ganner,
Speaker 2: who was the most different woman to Jennifer Lopez that
Speaker 2: I personally know, but she has the same Firth name
Speaker 2: and they have three kids, and Jlo would go on
Speaker 2: to marry Mark Anthony and have twins. Interestingly, Jlo collaborated
Speaker 2: on music and performed with Mark, as well as co
Speaker 2: starring in a movie with him called El Cantante, which
Speaker 2: was a biopic in two thousand and six, Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 2: He filled that police up like that like he had
Speaker 2: it all. He had everything, and you have me. Can
Speaker 2: you move your ass so that I can see her?
Speaker 1: Ask?
Speaker 2: Please this one? You could touch this one? You can?
Speaker 2: How was that success wise him? Why do you can't
Speaker 2: bringing it up because it was ward winning or because
Speaker 2: there's a bit of fun to be bad? The Evening
Speaker 2: Standard wrote in a review the film and I quote,
Speaker 2: did not go down well at the box office, and
Speaker 2: neither Lopez nor Anthony knew anything about salsa, which is
Speaker 2: what the film was about. It has a twenty five
Speaker 2: percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes. You know who I think
Speaker 2: went and saw it, Ben, I think first opportunity, Ben,
Speaker 2: front seat, popcorn and a slurpy and he stood up
Speaker 2: at the end. He did what a performance. So while
Speaker 2: that had twenty five percent, Jiggly Giggly really has six
Speaker 2: percent on Rotten Tomatoes, So actually twenty five percent isn't
Speaker 2: bad anyway. Anthony and Lopez officially divorced in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: while Affleck and Ghana officially divorced in twenty eighteen. So
Speaker 2: now what we've got is a single Ben and a
Speaker 2: single gen not really because Jen was with the young guy.
Speaker 2: The younger like a backup, backup down, and then Ben
Speaker 2: was on Raia trying to like slide into dms and
Speaker 2: people were sharing sad messages. You know, I leave the
Speaker 2: man alone to be on his apps.
Speaker 1: Why did you unmatch me?
Speaker 2: It's me let him be on his apps. And he
Speaker 2: was in a moment where we've all been in this moment,
Speaker 2: but we've also all seen men in this moment where
Speaker 2: they start texting everyone because he's life. Yes, I have
Speaker 2: my friends the strippers, but I need my other friends,
Speaker 2: such as my exes. So he did start reaching out.
Speaker 2: He probably reached out to Jennifer Ghannah and she said,
Speaker 2: I'm the mother of his children where divorced j Lo.
Speaker 2: Great performance in Elkompunbe. Actually just to be fan of
Speaker 2: everything you've been doing lately. In May twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: nearly twenty years since they first got together, they were photographed.
Speaker 2: They were then photographed at Lopez's rental home in Miami,
Speaker 2: and Ben was wearing a watch that Jalo had given
Speaker 2: him back in two thousand and two. If I were
Speaker 2: Jennifer Ghana, I'd be pissed. I'd be like, why didn't
Speaker 2: we throw that out? Where have you been keep them
Speaker 2: a watch mate? Mm hmm, it ain't right you kept
Speaker 2: that in your box. And then a few things happened.
Speaker 2: The first is that a bunch of pictures appeared of
Speaker 2: them kissing and not not dry humping. All I'll say
Speaker 2: is that they are at No Boo. I know nothing
Speaker 2: about anything, but I know No Boo, fancy restaurant where
Speaker 2: you go to get photo where you're going to get photographed,
Speaker 2: And I'm sure a state costs like four hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: And if I were trying to be discreet about my
Speaker 2: new relationship, I wouldn't be humping at Noboo. But that's fine.
Speaker 2: They were ready for people to know. They later confirmed
Speaker 2: the relationship and started appearing on red carpets together. On
Speaker 2: Valentine's Day, Affleck directed and gifted Lopez a remix of
Speaker 2: her song on My Way. And if I were their therapist,
Speaker 2: which I'm not, I would say less working together. I
Speaker 2: would say to j Loo, Actually, you don't need to
Speaker 2: star in a film with your husband. It's a specific
Speaker 2: issue if most of us don't need to work. No,
Speaker 2: but you can love someone and not make a film. Yeah,
Speaker 2: or write a song, collaborate together on a project. You
Speaker 2: can do those separately, Claire, I would like to show
Speaker 2: you this, so just for context, Ben gives this to
Speaker 2: Jen on Valentine's Day and then Jen shares it. No newsletter,
Speaker 2: you know that newsletter below down or whatever? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I subscribe, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's like, did
Speaker 2: Ben say you could share that?
Speaker 1: I always knew you, even when not did know? You
Speaker 1: don't make sense, but it do. I was on my lady,
Speaker 1: you felt heavy, like.
Speaker 2: Hell, Heaven sent me through pause. I moved, give me,
Speaker 2: I moved. I think you can tell. He's an award
Speaker 2: winning film man, Claire. It's terrible and it looks like
Speaker 2: he made it in that terrible like video editor that
Speaker 2: we all used in like year ten. Yeah, we had
Speaker 2: it on our laptops. Then in all the images of him,
Speaker 2: which don't make any sense, are completely out of context.
Speaker 2: He's always smoking and looking sad, and he's made it
Speaker 2: black and white and grainy. Yes, he's definitely used. And
Speaker 2: then he just puts man date yet. But Matt's like,
Speaker 2: don't drag me into this shit. Why do I feel things? Huh?
Speaker 2: Because it's lovely, it's not lovely. Yeah, it's quite beautiful.
Speaker 2: Jim Ghana and him were together for seven and we're
Speaker 2: singing a song about being on our yellow brick road
Speaker 2: that was always leading, that was always leading back to you.
Speaker 2: And you've done this weird as shit remix video where
Speaker 2: you've like redone her video clip with also like clips
Speaker 2: from Jenny from the Block ye, and there's some well
Speaker 2: she's standing like on a city. It's very j low,
Speaker 2: very very j Lo. In twenty twenty two, Lopez announced
Speaker 2: that they're engaged again, twenty years after the first time.
Speaker 2: In July, they filed their marriage license in Vegas and
Speaker 2: everyone was like, how low key they have changed. They
Speaker 2: have learned, they have evolved. Good for you, because it's
Speaker 2: like Jennifer Lopez needs to learn there's an inverse relationship
Speaker 2: between how much you spend on your wedding and the
Speaker 2: fuss that you make and how long that marriage lasts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and last time, why did their relationship end because of
Speaker 2: the media, media attention. So I've just got to be
Speaker 2: a bit more lokay. Ben doesn't like it, he doesn't
Speaker 2: like the fuss. Jess. I've just got something to add,
Speaker 2: which is, do you remember the Grammys last year, Ben
Speaker 2: and Jen sitting in the audience, and Ben just generally
Speaker 2: does look happy to be so many having a shit
Speaker 2: so many. I think this might have been off the
Speaker 2: back of the honeymoon that he didn't really Yeah, he
Speaker 2: just wasn't having a great time and he was I'd
Speaker 2: rather be at home under the Eiffel Tower and now
Speaker 2: I'm at the Grammys. You don't want to have a
Speaker 2: little tif for the Grammys. And there's this footage of
Speaker 2: Trevor Noah sitting beside them, and Trevoroah is a friend
Speaker 2: of the family. Yeah, we'll touch on Trevor a little
Speaker 2: bit later, but he is sitting there, and just to
Speaker 2: the right of him, you can see Ben and Jen
Speaker 2: arguing that she is having a stern word to him.
Speaker 2: She's kind of like pointing her finger at his chest
Speaker 2: and he is looking cranky, and lip readers have said
Speaker 2: that she was saying, cheer up and look more motivated.
Speaker 2: Sad Ben is bringing down the fire, yeah, because that's
Speaker 2: the thing that camera pans. Everyone's looking excited and clapping
Speaker 2: and Ben, Ben doesn't want to be look like a
Speaker 2: rain cloud, and Jen like this is one of the
Speaker 2: greatest nights of the Year. I look stunning. Look at
Speaker 2: my skin, look at my hair, look at my dress.
Speaker 2: I've got old dressed up and you can't even do
Speaker 2: a little smile for the camera. Totally get that. I
Speaker 2: actually don't think that that is necessarily an indication that
Speaker 2: they were in trouble at that point, because we've all
Speaker 2: done it. We've all turned to our partner and said, Okay,
Speaker 2: I need you to bring more. Yeah, I know we're
Speaker 2: in a shit situation with my family right now and
Speaker 2: there being insufferable, but I'm going to need you to
Speaker 2: suck it up. Yep. Sometimes we turn to each other
Speaker 2: and we say lift, I need you to lift energetically. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's what That's what Jenn was saying, man sign
Speaker 2: of a healthy relationship at the Grammys. Lyft. So they
Speaker 2: get married in Vegas and I remember being like, honestly
Speaker 2: never thought she was like, this is just an old dress,
Speaker 2: and like I was like, yeah, you're still sharing it,
Speaker 2: but good on you. Benefit have not changed after all,
Speaker 2: Claire the wedding. The wedding took place at Afflex eighty
Speaker 2: seven acre compound in Georgia. There was a rehearsal. J
Speaker 2: Loo wore a gold frock. There was a horse with
Speaker 2: pink flowers in its mate. She wore three Ralph Lauren gowns.
Speaker 2: There is a drama image of j Loo in a
Speaker 2: gown on a swing surrounded by chandeliers. Most of the
Speaker 2: photos I've seen do not feature or allude to Ben,
Speaker 2: and I do not mind. She wore more than two
Speaker 2: million dollars worth of diamonds and pearls. Jay Shetty officiated
Speaker 2: the ceremony. There were fireworks, there was a post wedding
Speaker 2: Sunday brunch. I saw photos, and there were donuts. What
Speaker 2: an event. It is believed that the wedding cost them
Speaker 2: half a million Australian dollars. Then they went on their honeymoon,
Speaker 2: and that's when sad Ben emerged. Claire, please explain sad Ben. Okay.
Speaker 2: The thing about Ben is that sometimes he's photographed and
Speaker 2: the spirit has left his soul, and in his eyes
Speaker 2: there is only emptiness and hollowness and an existential thread,
Speaker 2: and it scenes that all the weight of living has
Speaker 2: fallen upon his shoulders. The weight of the universe is
Speaker 2: sitting on his slumped shoulders as he has a Starbucks
Speaker 2: coffee and aigarette and he's just like and I just
Speaker 2: I love Jennifer Lopez. I don't think she has that
Speaker 2: same emotional experience. I think she's quite a happy lady.
Speaker 2: I think she's upbeat. I think she's like where in France? Ben?
Speaker 2: And Ben's like, it doesn't matter where I am as
Speaker 2: a Sylvia Placid, I'm stewing in my own sour air.
Speaker 2: Is how Ben is? Yeah, he's just dark cloud, dark
Speaker 2: cloud Ben. The images that went viral of Ben Aras
Speaker 2: follows Ben asleep on a boat, Ben looking sad on
Speaker 2: river cruise, Ben crying in a restaurant. Did the Eiffel Tower?
Speaker 2: I should go up? But it was just under the
Speaker 2: Eifel Tower, Ben looking exasperated Claire, who was very sad.
Speaker 2: Ben on his euro summer. Now, no one deserves to
Speaker 2: be stalked by paparazzi. I truly believe that, and you
Speaker 2: can see how distressed it makes them both. But I reckon.
Speaker 2: At this point, Ben is regretting the film clip he
Speaker 2: made j Lo where he basically did a slide show
Speaker 2: and then she said it to all her followers. Yes,
Speaker 2: and also the wedding and then also such a flashy
Speaker 2: honeymoon being fla. I think there are a place that
Speaker 2: you could have gone. Yeah less and then they recreated the.
Speaker 4: Thing on her bottom and I'm like, guys, we've been
Speaker 4: here before, twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: This is me now. I don't know how to tell
Speaker 2: you what this is about. I watched it this morning.
Speaker 2: I had it on in the background. I had it on.
Speaker 2: Luna was just crawling around. I was trying to watch it.
Speaker 2: It's the first film she's ever been exposed to. And
Speaker 2: she stopped and said, what is this? What the fuck
Speaker 2: is this? Make it end? I was like, honey, I
Speaker 2: don't know. It's a visual album, but it has like
Speaker 2: a script source a musical, and there's a wedding and
Speaker 2: too many famous people are in it. And there is
Speaker 2: a line that she wrote because she wrote this that
Speaker 2: says she's smart, she's beautiful. Why does she always need
Speaker 2: to be with someone? Which I respect Jen Jen. I
Speaker 2: watched it, and in terms of the celebrity cameos, I
Speaker 2: was like, this is so interesting because it's an insight
Speaker 2: into who can't say no exactly because everyone was asked.
Speaker 2: Everyone Rizzo said no, I can't do that. If I
Speaker 2: was a Hollywood person, would I have been in it
Speaker 2: absolutely absolutely, you never know I was there the idea
Speaker 2: of hurting Jen's feelings when she seems like a sweet person. Okay,
Speaker 2: So there's This is Me Now, and there's also The
Speaker 2: Greatest Love Story Never Told, which is a documentary about
Speaker 2: This is Me Now. So in The Greatest s Story
Speaker 2: Never Told, we learn that she did ask a lot
Speaker 2: of celebrities and she got really upset when they said no,
Speaker 2: and then they were like, oh, so and so says
Speaker 2: that they're at a wedding, and she's like call them,
Speaker 2: like she's just forcing them to be in her movie.
Speaker 2: And then she's like, it's because they don't like the script,
Speaker 2: and then she gets very well. In one scene, the
Speaker 2: casting director says to her, we sent out all the
Speaker 2: offers last night to everybody. We're waiting to hear back
Speaker 2: from a few people. And then a voice off camera says,
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift is a no. Jason Momoa is not available,
Speaker 2: Jennifer Coolidge not available, Lizo not available. Then someone asks
Speaker 2: Jlo if she wants Vanessa Hudgens by the way, and
Speaker 2: she responds for what, same fabe for another person says
Speaker 2: she's not available. At another point, Jennifer says it'd be
Speaker 2: good to get Bad Bunny to do a little cameo
Speaker 2: as the bad kid, and she's then told Ariana Grande
Speaker 2: is unavailable. She's in London until September, and when they're
Speaker 2: talking about her famous friends being busy, she says, I
Speaker 2: don't want to force anybody to do this. Who doesn't
Speaker 2: go this is going to be fun. Nobody wants to
Speaker 2: say no to me. I get that. But when an
Speaker 2: actor doesn't like a script, or doesn't think it's good enough,
Speaker 2: or is worried about it, that's what they'll say. I
Speaker 2: know that I've done it, so don't push them, don't
Speaker 2: put it a mate. When they say no to your script,
Speaker 2: don't want to be in your film. Well, the other
Speaker 2: thing she says, because apparently Chloe Kardashian was supposed to
Speaker 2: make a cameo and it didn't happen, And she says
Speaker 2: people are scared to put themselves out there. I get it,
Speaker 2: took me a long time. I'm scared, and I don't
Speaker 2: think that's it. Then I'm talking about Taylor Swift. She's
Speaker 2: put herself out there plenty. Taylor Swift scared of the
Speaker 2: power of the platform. Jaylo would offer her. Honestly, it
Speaker 2: gives me a lot of respect, like knowing that somebody
Speaker 2: like Lizzo got a call and then said, ah, let
Speaker 2: me know what I respect is that a call was
Speaker 2: made to listen. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I respect because
Speaker 2: just for some context, she writes this album this is
Speaker 2: Me Now, and it was about because this is Me
Speaker 2: Then was written when she was first with men, and
Speaker 2: she only writes albums when she's with Ben. She didn't
Speaker 2: write an album in like twenty years. Anyway, she writes
Speaker 2: this is Me Now. She's like, Okay, yep, I want
Speaker 2: to tell this story. I'm going to make it like
Speaker 2: this movie visual album. And some distributor is like, yeah, yeah, cool,
Speaker 2: we'll give you some money. And then they pull it
Speaker 2: and they're like actually I think they saw the script,
Speaker 2: but they were like, this doesn't make us any money,
Speaker 2: like Beyonce sing didn't make us money. This isn't a
Speaker 2: good business. Move fast. And then she realizes that she's
Speaker 2: got to fund it. But that's not the answer. I
Speaker 2: would just pull. I would just pull. Sometimes we're told
Speaker 2: no because the answer is no. So it's a three
Speaker 2: part multimedia project. What is that twenty million dollars of
Speaker 2: her own money, and the description says it examines and
Speaker 2: plays with her life as a serial romantic. And she
Speaker 2: says it's a twenty year project. But we can't say
Speaker 2: it's twenty year project just because we don't do anything
Speaker 2: else for twenty years. Yeah, well we relatable. Neil de
Speaker 2: grass Tyson is a literal astrophysicist. He writes books about
Speaker 2: traveling to space. He has a species of named after him.
Speaker 2: Why is he in Jalo's movie? Could have done so
Speaker 2: much science. We are so diacal, council, but the stars
Speaker 2: hold all the power. When she did the greatest love
Speaker 2: story never told? Except all she does is tell her
Speaker 2: she wanted to tell the story in all mediums immediately
Speaker 2: available to her. Yes. Right. At one point she brings
Speaker 2: this book in that Ben gifted her, which has all
Speaker 2: their emails from two thousand and two, and they interview
Speaker 2: someone who's like, we were allowed to touch the letters.
Speaker 2: I don't believe it, And it's like, is Jlo making
Speaker 2: this film too? And did she make you say that?
Speaker 2: And these people think they are touching a diary of
Speaker 2: great hist roles signific Winston Churchhill and not a printed
Speaker 2: out email from Ben, You've been showing all the musicians
Speaker 2: all these letters that are and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we call you Penaflak. And she exclaims, I don't expect
Speaker 2: anyone to get this, like why are you making it?
Speaker 2: Because she wants people to believe in love. She says,
Speaker 2: don't you see my favorite scene? She has to leave
Speaker 2: the set and everyone's chasing her, asking questions because she's
Speaker 2: the boss, and she's just like, it's very Jenny from
Speaker 2: the block, like oh, I'm so overwhelmed. And she's getting
Speaker 2: in a car that's like actually a track it's and
Speaker 2: it's very like, oh my gosh, this project is huge,
Speaker 2: and it's like, you solely are responsible to this. You
Speaker 2: can pull the plug at any point, an you can go.
Speaker 2: This is too much. She's like I have to go,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, where Jen? This is your project, your
Speaker 2: only project, except for the documentary you're making about this project.
Speaker 2: But someone is filming that documentary now because I'm watching
Speaker 2: the greatest love story Never told. Okay, then there's another
Speaker 2: documentary I found called Ben and Jen Never Say Never Ah,
Speaker 2: which is confusing because Justin Bieber's documentary is called Never
Speaker 2: Say Never. The timeline reads like a soap opera, two
Speaker 2: decades filled with hot romance, heartbreak, multiple marriages, broken engagements,
Speaker 2: and five children between them. The love story of pop
Speaker 2: icon Jennifer Lopez and movie star Ben Affleck began with
Speaker 2: a movie set meeting in two thousand and two, which
Speaker 2: waived its way to the altar twenty years later, share
Speaker 2: the Secrets of Pink Diamonds, of Racy Yacht Video and
Speaker 2: Bubble Bath Proposal. So this is the third Like, these
Speaker 2: two people have been together for like a combined eleven
Speaker 2: months over two engagements, and I have to watch three
Speaker 2: movies about the mon Amazon pri one album and one album,
Speaker 2: two albums. It's hard because with the greatest love story,
Speaker 2: I never told there aren't any steakes because it's just
Speaker 2: Jen's money and she's making a documentary and I'm like,
Speaker 2: whether you lose it all or you don't, you're still
Speaker 2: Jennifer Lopez and you're with Ben Affleck. So I'm not
Speaker 2: not rooting for you. I just don't think you've got
Speaker 2: much to lose, Yeah, she says. At one point in
Speaker 2: the documentary about the movie, she says, I have good intentions.
Speaker 2: I just don't want it to suck and that's all
Speaker 2: of us with pursuit so well, but it does. And
Speaker 2: then Ben says, that's just inexperience. You haven't done this
Speaker 2: before because he has made films and he's like his
Speaker 2: disinesce and oh nah, he was like, no, it's great, babe,
Speaker 2: it's really good. Divorce rumors. A few months after The
Speaker 2: Greatest Love Story Never Told and This Is Me Now
Speaker 2: was released, rumors emerged that Ben and Jen were separating,
Speaker 2: which sucks in terms of timing. I'm going to give
Speaker 2: you a bit of a timeline about what has happened
Speaker 2: in the last honestly, like four or five months. It's
Speaker 2: May sixth, twenty twenty four. Jalo is at the met Gala.
Speaker 2: No Ben insight to that. I say Ben had hate
Speaker 2: the Metgala? Is it that unusual that he is not there?
Speaker 2: May twelve, her and Ben do not spend Mother's Day together.
Speaker 2: May fourteen, j Loo is house hunting without Ben. May fifteen,
Speaker 2: there are reports that Ben has moved out. May sixteen,
Speaker 2: Ben pictured leaving his new residence where he's living alone.
Speaker 2: But he's wearing his wedding ring. Okay. J Lo then
Speaker 2: likes a post on Instagram Claire, I would like you
Speaker 2: to just give listeners a gist of the post that
Speaker 2: Jennifer Lopez liked on May the sixteenth, from her account. Ah,
Speaker 2: you cannot build a healthy relationship with someone who lacks
Speaker 2: integrity and emotional safety, doesn't respect your time, doesn't think
Speaker 2: it's important to call, slash text back in a respectable time.
Speaker 2: Friend texting her lacks effective communication skills. He's talking to
Speaker 2: his friends, doesn't strippers who they are or what they want.
Speaker 2: Devil's advocate. Maybe she's talk about one of our other husbands. No,
Speaker 2: she could be talking no current husband. Well, it's funny
Speaker 2: you say that, though, because I think A few days later,
Speaker 2: they're photographed together at a school play of one of
Speaker 2: the children wearing their wedding rings. We go. Things get weirder.
Speaker 2: Two days after that, they're spotted in a car together
Speaker 2: and then Ben's phone starts ringing and his screen is
Speaker 2: visible to the paps. Have you heard this? I've seen
Speaker 2: the picture and it reads Jennifer affleck. But she's right
Speaker 2: there to Gleitch in the matrix. I don't understand. Oh,
Speaker 2: that is weird. That is weird.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I saw memes about it, but I didn't see the
Speaker 2: original it's Jennifer. Jenny's right there. The rumors ramp up,
Speaker 2: with sources telling people Ben hates all attention and it
Speaker 2: makes him very uncomfortable. Jennifer has always had a different approach.
Speaker 2: I don't appreciate the blaming Jennifer. No, not one beer.
Speaker 2: He knew who she was. She has never changed. This
Speaker 2: is me, then, this is me now, this have always
Speaker 2: been later, she's clear a journalist. Then asks Jen outright,
Speaker 2: if they're separated, love that journalist me too. Take him
Speaker 2: on for the team doing Godswick says, you know better
Speaker 2: than that. Then they're holding hands. She's hot broke. Then
Speaker 2: Lopez announced that she would not be doing her summer
Speaker 2: tour as planned. Pictures of visits me now toa she's
Speaker 2: not doing it just that's like a huge part of
Speaker 2: promoting her three part twenty millions of pundage project. Well,
Speaker 2: she's not doing it because she has to spend time
Speaker 2: with her family on and she's sorry by the time
Speaker 2: she tours that it's not even going to be her
Speaker 2: now anymore. It's going to be her band again. Then
Speaker 2: they put their sixty million dollar house on the market.
Speaker 2: In June, Ben is on Kevin Hart's podcast and basically
Speaker 2: says he hates all the attention.
Speaker 1: I'm also a little bit shy.
Speaker 2: I also like a lot of attention. Is why people
Speaker 2: see me and they're like, let's do it? Always mad
Speaker 2: because somebody has their cameras thinking in my face and
Speaker 2: you have reste you know, I have resting hard fist,
Speaker 2: He says. Paparazzi can take pictures of him, he doesn't
Speaker 2: give a fuck if they're taking pictures of Jen, not
Speaker 2: his kids. Then he takes his wedding ring off and
Speaker 2: then the next day is back. On July twenty, Lopez
Speaker 2: has a Bridgitton themed birthday party. I having brackets fun
Speaker 2: and Ben doesn't come. That would slap. The only thing
Speaker 2: I will say about the Bridgeton themed birthday party was
Speaker 2: it girls only? Ah? It feels like a gal's event. Well,
Speaker 2: Ben wasn't there. I don't think you'd like dressing up.
Speaker 2: But July twenty seven, Ben Affleck goes rogue and purchases
Speaker 2: a five bedroom home in LA for cheeky twenty mil.
Speaker 2: My question is, why do you need a home if
Speaker 2: you already have a home with j Lo Claire. Any
Speaker 2: minute now, we will have an announcement that Ben and
Speaker 2: Jen are over gupych Finn Benito Non. It's too sad
Speaker 2: because it's the greatest love story that has been told
Speaker 2: over and over and over again. And the issue, you know,
Speaker 2: how like when you break up, like there are so
Speaker 2: many photos and momentos and stuff. It's like she created them.
Speaker 2: It's like you'd go and watch that film, clear that
Speaker 2: Ben made you. She created twenty million dollars worth relationship
Speaker 2: content momentums, twenty million dollars was only this is me now.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the greatest love story I never told, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if I had anything to do with
Speaker 2: Ben and Jen. Never say never, Oh Claire, it is
Speaker 2: time for charges and sentences. I'm gonna go first. My
Speaker 2: charge charges are dop points because there are multiple intensity
Speaker 2: counting eggs before they have hatched, tempting fate, making two
Speaker 2: movies about your new husband, and making Jane fonderby in it. Okay,
Speaker 2: what I will say about your framing of this and
Speaker 2: potentially our framing of the waste. It's been very gen focused,
Speaker 2: wasting Neil deGrasse Tyson's time. I think Jenny is so
Speaker 2: titled to make her art. I think he's just so
Speaker 2: entitled to make her art. But I just think that
Speaker 2: Neil over here could be discovering another planet and instead
Speaker 2: he's Gemini or Sagittarius or something. He must know astrology
Speaker 2: is bullshit, he does. I'm pretty sure he says it
Speaker 2: in the documentary about the film making a movie visual
Speaker 2: album about your life while also making a documentary about
Speaker 2: the movie visual album about your life, And is this inception?
Speaker 2: We didn't necessarily want to be emotionally invested in your relationship,
Speaker 2: but then you made multiple I repeat multiple films about it,
Speaker 2: and now we want to know if you guys are okay, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: So what's your sentence? I don't want them to be over,
Speaker 2: but I think they're over me too, And in that way,
Speaker 2: I think the worst thing that could have happened to
Speaker 2: them both has happened. No, I do, so why would
Speaker 2: I punish them? Ah? Well, Bennifer is no longer, oh Darling, Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: my charge is similar to yours. It is content inception,
Speaker 2: content about content about content. Yeah, greatest love story never told?
Speaker 2: I would argue that it's been told. Yeah, my sentence, if
Speaker 2: you're going to make the greatest love story never told
Speaker 2: about your romance and then now it looks like that
Speaker 2: romance has ended. I need to know. I need the
Speaker 2: Greatest love Story Never Told? BTS. Oh my god, you
Speaker 2: need more content and sectional content. You create the world
Speaker 2: of the dream. We bring the subject into that dream
Speaker 2: and they feel it. They're subconscious and Jen. What Jen's
Speaker 2: doing is she's releasing a lot of polished content. We've
Speaker 2: got a lot of like professional video clip. What I
Speaker 2: need is the candid moments where she's like, it's not working.
Speaker 2: I'm worried that the Great sub Story Never Told was contrived,
Speaker 2: that it was a documentary about a film, but that
Speaker 2: was also had a like editorial spin. And what I
Speaker 2: want is like, as you say, like a behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: dirty grimy iPhone camera where we get the can we
Speaker 2: do another take? I'm being more interested. I want the
Speaker 2: guy who made the poshen Becks documentary. I want him
Speaker 2: to do a Jen and Ben Tocco and actually reveal
Speaker 2: some really interesting stuff about their dynamic. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: I need. I need more content. Do you think they're done?
Speaker 2: I think that maybe they are done. And it's so
Speaker 2: sad because it was such a long game. It was
Speaker 2: a long game and even on the YouTube video like
Speaker 2: where he made the film clip. Everyone was really supportive
Speaker 2: and encouraged, and they felt like it did mean that
Speaker 2: they too could finally find love. It made everyone think
Speaker 2: that they could get back with their ex and actually
Speaker 2: live out a love story that they thought was dead.
Speaker 2: But the lesson is, don't make too much content about
Speaker 2: your relationship, especially when your husband has told you he
Speaker 2: doesn't like when you make content about your relationship. I
Speaker 2: do think it's done, but Jalo is fifty five. So
Speaker 2: what I'll say is that there's time in another twenty
Speaker 2: years to tell the greatest love story. Never We've got
Speaker 2: another round in us. We've got another round. As the
Speaker 2: film says, never say never, Never say never. I think
Speaker 2: you could do another round. Have twenty years, have some
Speaker 2: more marriages, yeh, have some more experiences. Benefits three point zero,
Speaker 2: and then she can be like his sad man still sad, Yes,
Speaker 2: yeah he is, he is. He's still complicated. Benefits three
Speaker 2: point zero. Claire, before we go, we are now doing
Speaker 2: lazy girls story at the end. Yeah, don't ask. It's
Speaker 2: just a creative decision, Jens, to make creative decisions. What
Speaker 2: can we make creative decisions? Today's lazy girl story, just
Speaker 2: to put it on the record, Jen, it's not a
Speaker 2: lazy girl. Oh absolutely not. Everyone said, don't make this movie.
Speaker 2: Don't make this movie. You don't have to make this movie.
Speaker 2: Lazy girls would have taken that said, oh thank god,
Speaker 2: I'll lay in bed with my twenty meal. Okay, lazy
Speaker 2: girl story in school. I actually made it to Zone
Speaker 2: Athletics for one hundred meter sprint. I'm really impressed with that.
Speaker 2: God I'm slow because that takes power strength. Sprinting's hard. Sprinting.
Speaker 2: You don't fluke it. You should be a common data.
Speaker 2: It was half a day to travel to and from
Speaker 2: the stadium that held it at I got to the raceline,
Speaker 2: looked around and figured I was way out of place.
Speaker 2: So I made my way back.
Speaker 4: Enough.
Speaker 2: Save that energy for another day. She's a lazy girl. Now.
Speaker 2: This is something really lovely about lazy girls, is that
Speaker 2: we know when our energy is not going to be
Speaker 2: well spent. So she went, Am I gonna win? No?
Speaker 2: I don't know how I got into this. Have I
Speaker 2: traveled all the way here? Absolutely, But I'm not going
Speaker 2: to run just to lose. I'm gonna sit in the stand.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm not gonna run one hundred meters. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna walk the one hundred meters back to the stand
Speaker 2: and disappoint everyone. And I'm gonna get some hot chips
Speaker 2: with extra tomato sauce and something I love to do,
Speaker 2: watch athletics. Watch the rest of this love some really
Speaker 2: talented athletes. Yeah yeah, but who among us has not
Speaker 2: gotten to the gym and thought not today, Not today.
Speaker 2: I did. I put on the shoes. Everyone says putting
Speaker 2: on the shoes as the hardest part. I put on
Speaker 2: the shoes. I still don't want to be here. I'm
Speaker 2: going home. I'm getting KFC. The lazy girl, man, right,
Speaker 2: is it's self care. It is self care. That's what
Speaker 2: she did, and she would have got the day off
Speaker 2: school already. Yeah, so it's like, you go home now.
Speaker 2: You can even tell people you won. Yeah I got injured,
Speaker 2: Like you can tell people whatever you like. I really
Speaker 2: like that lazy girl. Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 2: us on this episode of Canceled. This episode was produced
Speaker 2: by Telisabezazz and Kimberly Bradish And we will be back
Speaker 2: next week. Bye bye.