WEBVTT - Inside Our Very Own Morning Wars 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.320 Out loud as welcome, Welcome to Mamma Mia out loud. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.880 It's what women are actually talking about on What is 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.959 the date today? Wednesday, the thirtieth of July. 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:17.160 Winter is going to be over in another month. Whoo. 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:20.919 Producer Gracie Holly, Sorry, it's the twenty ninth. 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:21.759 Of July today. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:25.479 It's wrong in the script. No, no, it's wrong in 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:25.919 the script. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:26.600 Okay. 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:28.480 I had to look down to see what was written 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:29.960 to see what date it is, because I never know 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:31.960 the date. I'm one of those people who never knows 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:33.800 the date. You know, you're always going what date is it? 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:34.320 Anyway? 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.560 They got it wrong in the script because it's actually 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:39.720 only the twenty ninth. You have one more day of 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:40.960 winter than we just thought you did. 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.080 Thirty days has September, April, June and November. Now you've 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:44.880 got two more days. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:50.400 We're really discombobulated. Two more days of winter than we thought. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.560 But still that's hardly any isn't it a month and 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:54.400 two days? Anyways? 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.480 Episodes provided represented by fact checking. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.000 My name is Hollywayne, right. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:01.080 Name is Amelia Laston. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:02.480 I'm just over it already. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.120 I'm me a freedman and this is hard is this 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:06.240 when Wednesdays were all. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.480 It's like trying to remember what day it is, where 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.080 are we what type of year it is? 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.200 Sorry, Mia, Sorry, I expected you to. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.360 Be more professional, meant to be a serious episode. 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:20.000 Here is what is on our agenda for today, Sam 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.120 Suvo Carl that in a week where the evolving chairs 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.800 of Brecky TV are back in the news, I want 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.240 to know, does it really even matter anymore? 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:30.800 Plus, I've got some good news for next time you 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.600 go clothes shopping, which you'll probably be directly after the show. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:38.240 And Jennifer Aniston's newish boyfriend is a hypnotist, which I love, 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.720 and she's about to interview him on stage at his 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:43.840 own book launch and I wonder if he'll make her 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:44.720 cluck like a chicken. 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:45.920 Maybe. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.760 But first, in case you missed it, Amelia. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.320 No, look me, you and I I'm sorry. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.080 I've got to bring something to the table here because 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.520 me and I aren't always on the same show, impact 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.320 you are very rarely on the same show. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.040 And okay, Jada pink at Smith, what are you bringing? 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.280 I just got a bit of a bone to pick with. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:10.520 You could be anything, and it's about our desks. We 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.400 are in a cold war about hot desks? Is this 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.639 about where we're sitting at the table? Yes, so look 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.360 his way it happened. No, no, no, no, our table 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.040 are desks in the office where we do our work. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.239 So look that there was a big mix up of desks, 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.240 shake up of desks last week. 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.320 You plan. We talked it out louder about it on 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:34.320 the Friday The Daily mallon No Time. M Erna made 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.919 her pledge on this show that she wanted to keep 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:38.359 her window seat with the good light. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:39.840 She got to keep it. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.000 And I had one small, modest request. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:44.680 I frosted. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.320 I'm not going to pretend I wasn't involved. I was 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:48.160 highly involved. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.280 Oh my god, I knew it. You pretended to be 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.440 all like above, So what's your problem? 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.560 I wanted to sit next to my co host Holly Wainwright, 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.040 with whom I co host Monday and Wednesday episodes of 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.000 Australia's number one podcastle. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:07.200 Never end of this woman, Like, honestly, does anyone give 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:11.120 a shit about me? Now? 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.600 You put yourself in next to you put yourself next 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:18.560 to Holly? And I said no, And I did something 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.760 a bit nausey, a bit passive aggressive, and I swapped 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:22.359 the post it. 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:23.480 That's like when you go to a. 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.760 Wedding and I'm about that and you go and check 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.320 the seating cat and then you just. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.080 Totally do that all the time. I'm one of those people. 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.560 I've now got three different I've got my own office 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:36.200 and I've got two different desks. 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:36.920 I'm on the move. 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.600 I did want to point to you that you have 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.160 your own office, and I've. 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:45.400 Also got another desk with the execs. But I'm also 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.200 slumming it down with you, bitch in the out loud area, 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.680 which is open plan, which I'm loving. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.200 I bet everyone is hating having me sit there. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.400 Not because I'm too talky, because I got my noise 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.680 cats on phones, but because people I don't know, people 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:00.760 give you because. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.320 You can airwig on all the conversation. 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:05.120 I love it. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.040 Oh my goodness, we moved last week. Oh well, actually 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.680 we moved this week. I'm really enjoying it. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.040 Yes, I know, Holly, because I saw on Instagram you 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.800 post it because yesterday when you weren't hear Amelia, I 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.640 was sitting next to Holly, and so then I went 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.479 home and I was scrolling my phone and I see 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:26.039 Holly posting a story about I've got an exciting new 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:30.400 desk mate, and I like, yeah, I'm ready bring in 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.960 the love. And then it was it was m Vernon, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.000 then it was not. I was not even mentioned because 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:36.000 I'm just chopped. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.960 Cabbine because you've got three other desks, so you're not 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.000 really my desk mate, em Is and Amelia. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.000 Here's what I need on my desk, my desk listening. 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.560 My desk is very zen. It has my water bottle, 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:50.720 some hot sauce that Holly gifted me because I love 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:54.279 me some hot sauce, and all my cords arranged in 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.760 exactly the right way. And you made fun of that, 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.240 and you said, oh, we can't mess up your cords. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:00.360 True. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.640 Did you have anything to bring up with me, miam? 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:08.240 I'm going to save that for another day. Oh, quite conversial. 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:09.760 Well here, I'll just do it now. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.679 I think it's really weird the way before the show, 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.080 you guys go and put your makeup on in the toilet. 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.200 Where would you rather I do it? 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.240 No, because it's like that's where people do and poos 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:25.920 and change their tampons, and like it's not an appropriate 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.480 place to brush your. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.520 Teeth, Like y'all know you do that too. It's for 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.560 things going out shore, things going on. It should be 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.520 things just it's a private place. 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:38.520 I don't like it. 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.039 I feel like I'm surveying the people in there in 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:41.920 their bow movements. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.360 Don't hate me being there. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:44.360 It's not fair. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.800 This is why women have gutty shoes, because people like 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.240 you're in there doing your makeup, and so no one 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.560 feels that they can just let loose and do their business. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:52.680 That's what the second toury is on. 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:54.279 You take twenty twenty minutes. 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.760 I do. Have you heard about the second four? 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:57.039 Yeah? 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.760 Level poop. That's bad toilet. 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.640 I've never been to level poo, never been terrible. But 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.880 I had never thought, not even for a minute, had 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.479 I considered putting my makeupon in the same space that 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.240 people are doing and poos until you just brought it. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:13.080 And now I can't. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:14.159 Now I can't now. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.400 The noises, I don't even think about it. Don't you 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:18.080 smell the smell? 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:25.080 Oh dear, Oh, no happens in everybody's just chats over 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.200 the toilet. Well, sometimes you have some good gossip in there, 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.400 what you do in your lipstick, But now you put that, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:29.960 I can't do it. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.320 Now, that's it. Okay, I'm going to bring something more 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:33.279 important to the table. 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:33.919 You lot. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:36.800 Problems. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.040 I don't want to worry anyone, But do we all 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.560 remember what happened on Monday at two pm? It was 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:46.400 quite it's quite alarmingarm just a reminder for what the 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.400 OS alert was for. So this test, it was for 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.240 an alert that would go out in these kind of situations, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:57.120 natural hazards, so bushfires, floods, cyclones, tsunami, severe storms, public 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.200 safety threats, so if there's a major security issue, you 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:04.200 or active emergency and anything health and biosecurity related. So 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.840 we've all lived through that before pandemic was national. It 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:08.520 was national. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.760 It was absolutely everywhere. No matter what. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:13.720 I thought, it was exciting. Were you? 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:15.800 I wasn't with you. What happened in the office. 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.360 I was in a meeting and we all knew it 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.080 was going to happen. It two and we were all 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:23.480 quite excited. But then everyone still jumped to it. It happened 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:23.960 because it was. 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:25.120 Loud and than I expected. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:26.920 Everybody did. Where were you and me alone? 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:28.080 I was just walking down the street. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.080 Yeah, I was getting into a train because I was 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.520 going home early that day because it was parente tonight 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.600 I'm what going to like in public on the train, 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:36.880 everybody went. 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.080 Like that, like shocked, even though, as you say, we'd all. 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.560 Been waiting for it all day, and then we wereent. Oh, 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.880 and then what happened is what leads me to my 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.400 next point. The guy on the train next to me said, Oh, 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.840 I can't wait to hear what the conspiracy theorists have 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.800 to say about this, And I was like, sir, let 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.040 me tell you, because what happened to me on Monday 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:02.480 morning on my way in, My algorithm suddenly started only 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:07.080 feeding me really conspiratorial stuff about the ozolith, which. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.040 I knew nothing about. I didn't even know there were 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:10.040 conspiracy theories? 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:10.680 What are they? 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:12.800 Let me play you a little bit of one of 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:14.640 the videos I got served on Instagram. 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.960 This is for the people who've woken up and don't 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.520 trust the government. I'm not one hundred percent sure if 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.440 we can trust what they're saying, which is that if 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.760 you have your phone off until three pm that you 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.680 won't get it. So I personally am going to leave 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.200 mine off for twenty four hours. 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.440 So that's what people think that how do people think 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.800 the government is so organized? But maybe joys can't even 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:41.640 control his own dogs, National conspiracy, What's going to happen 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:42.360 through our phone? 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:46.439 It's so funny because the thing is is that that 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.319 woman when I was choosing a video to play you 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.920 a little bit of it was actually quite hard because 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.240 so many of them, and like, I don't want to 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.800 be disrespectful, but it's really difficult not to be disrespectful 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.640 because so many of them were so batshit. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:08:59.800 It was I should be. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.400 People were saying that the alert is going out at 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:06.080 a certain frequency that is going to somehow interact with 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.560 the nanoparticles we were injected with with our COVID vaccines 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:10.280 and it's. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:11.240 Going to make us really sick. 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.000 Or they were saying, like, what's the benefit of that? 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:14.920 Who knows? 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.080 There was no ribraes And then other people were saying, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.200 this is all about surveillance. When they really want to 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.440 get us to do whatever it is they all want 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:24.880 to get us to do, they're not going to sound 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.440 an alert. And then there were people literally all through 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.760 my feed, and because I watched one because I was 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.320 interested in what they were saying, it was then all 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.120 that was in my feed, and it was these people 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.800 were saying, I'm going to dismantle my phone and bury 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.000 it in the garden. Some people were saying, I'm going 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.240 to wrap my phone in alfoil and hide it in 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.080 the microwave like people. And then there were lots of 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.960 posts from some businesses saying we are not os alert friendly, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.040 so we're going to close on Monday, or please do 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:54.560 not bring your mobile phone anywhere. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.520 Kidding, No, I'm just still stuck on the idea that 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.560 if you put your phone in the microwave covered in 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.080 alphaur and you have children and they turn on the 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.080 microwave in the outer water, happen something not good to 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:05.600 your phone. 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.000 But do you think that all this because it's kind 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.480 of silly, right, And I have a suspicion that the 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.679 reason I started getting them is because I like compost, right, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:14.600 Like because. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.640 It's because burying the garden and the oithm. 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.960 It's that, I think because I'm a gardener and the 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.079 outlouders know that, and I know it's boring to everybody else, 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.120 But like I do watch a lot of videos about. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:34.520 Like I do like getting bullied into adding that caveat 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.520 every time she mentions gardening, don't you can? 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.959 I just say, the funniest thing to me about. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:44.200 This is that all of these people are posting on Instagram, 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.000 which is owned by Meta, who are their actual. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.640 Ones who know everything about you? Like the. 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:57.280 Governments could coordinate something like that. However, Meta, where they're 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.760 happily putting in all their information and telling them what 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.840 they're going to do and using you know, face ID 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.560 on their phone prints to have you. 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:09.080 Have you seen it? 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.000 The government could do this? 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.520 Oh my god, that's so true. Maa. Anyway, so far, 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:18.520 so good. Again. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.360 I don't want to disrespect anybody's deeply closely held conspiracy, 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.719 but this. 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.080 Is why she's the popular one. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.880 You're like to come on, But so far, so good. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.520 Nothing bad has happened in the fact that my al 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.440 went off on my phone touch wood and now I 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.920 had to actually tell my phone stop. I'm not interested, 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.600 but now they're not saving me compost, so I don't 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:44.080 know what. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.559 I'm going to do out ladders. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:50.839 On our episode on Tuesday, Scrollous Gossip for subscribers, we 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:51.880 talk about. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.960 An usher story, uh, the couple who were caught kissing 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.480 in Central Park? Are they the new cold Play kiss Cam? 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.680 And also a thinly v novel that is said to 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.760 be about a very very big Hollywood star If you're 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:05.800 not already a subscriber. 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:07.200 There's a link in the show notes so you can 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.000 get us in your ears five days a week, because 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:09.880 why wouldn't. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:10.199 You want to do that? 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.559 After the break does it matter who sits in the 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.920 Breakfast TV seats suddenly vacated by the big dogs. 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:19.960 I'm desperate to hear what Mia thinks about this. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.800 I saw a satirical post this week amongst the conspiracy 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:28.320 theories and compost about the musical chairs on Australian Breakfast TV, 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.160 right among a collection of the headlines about who might 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.160 be in the lineup of the Today Show now that 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:35.160 Carl's gone off to. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.120 Be Chief Conspiracy. I don't know what he's going to be. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.640 And Sarah Arbo's on Matt Leaf with her baby. She 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.160 had a little baby. I think he's called Sonny. 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.040 That's very cute were the words. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.360 Today's show vastly overrates Australia's interest in who sits in 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.800 this desk, So math Mtig took one of those chairs 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.600 on Monday once obviously a Brecky TV titan on Sunrise 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.240 for a long time with Koshi. She's now been in 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.040 and out of that Today Shows studio on holiday breaks, 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.040 and she's there at the moment sitting next to Mike 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.720 Willercy Junior. Although no one is saying that this is 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:10.040 the permanent lineup. I have two questions, does it matter 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.680 anymore who sits in these seats? Because they were always 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.960 seen as being very influential, but as we talked about 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.760 a lot when we were talking about Carl's exit, less 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:23.200 so now, and yet it still seems to say something 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.400 about influence and power in Australian media, like who gets 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:27.400 to sit in those chairs? 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.080 Does it matter anymore? Mea. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:30.200 It's such an. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.800 Interesting question because we're looking at such a big shift 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:37.560 in media and so much disruption, and breakfast media is 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.079 very specific in terms of a type of media, and 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.520 by that I mean breakfast TV and breakfast radio because 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.120 they have been disrupted more than anything by phones. You know, 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.720 the whole idea of news on the hour and the 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.760 weather report coming after. You know, this idea that you've 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.840 got to wait till seven point thirty to hear what 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.440 the temperature is going to be. It's all that data 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.920 because we'll just pick up our phone, right True. 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.800 The weather used to be like God put the weather. 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:13.920 On, just like oh yeah. But it's interesting because of 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.240 you know, we're a pretty we're big consumers of media. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.720 But you're the only one that still watches breakfast television. 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:21.880 Mostly you don't watch it at home. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.560 No, I watch it because I often stay in hotels 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.240 and or at my friend's house and she does still 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.520 watch it. She has it on ambiently in the background way, 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:32.240 so I end up seeing it a lot. 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:32.760 Exactly. 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:38.480 So, even though breakfast television compared to prime time there's 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:44.200 so fewer people watching, it has a much much bigger 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:48.000 footprint because of revenue and because the people who are 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:52.920 watching are quite valuable because they're sticky. So breakfast media 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:58.000 brands work, and they're so big because they combine personality 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.840 with ritual because we all tend to the same thing 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.880 or certainly before work from home, but we have similar 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:04.840 routines every day. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.040 Out loud, if you've got kids in school, out loud, 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.400 as will often say, like, you know, if we don't 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.920 drop the show at five, we'll get a certain amount 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.520 of out louders who are saying, but that's what I 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:15.160 listened to on my way home, Well, that's what I 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.520 listened to on my evening walk, or that's exactly and 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.600 The other thing that breakfast media has in common actually 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.640 with podcasts, who've been big disruptors to both of those mediums, is. 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.680 The parasocial relationship, because you. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.600 Can have a primetime host who is reading a script, 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.920 like the host of I don't know what Lego Masters 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:33.920 or what are the big shows? 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:35.800 Hey yeah, Lego Master, Chester Chef. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:42.360 They are very produced, packaged, scripted, whereas breakfast TV and 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:46.680 breakfast radio it's the closest you have to podcasting in 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.440 that it's a lot of there's some things that are scripted, 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.040 but a lot of it is unscripted. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.920 Yeah, it's interesting that in the last few years, podcasts 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.920 and morning TV have kind of merged in terms of 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.440 what they're offering the audience. And you see this reallyomatically 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.960 in an American context with the morning shows there and 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.600 how they've become. Like I remember when nine to eleven happened, 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.560 everyone turned on the television. I was in the US 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.000 at the time, and everyone turned on their TVs, and 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:18.480 the morning shows really excelled at explaining the events of 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.440 that day in a way that everyone understood. They were 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.400 performing a very important journalistic service. And the people who 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.440 host these shows are still often journalists, but they're now 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.520 being asked to reveal a lot more of themselves on. 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.760 Air and in America in the way that here we 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.640 have Today and Sunrise, and Sunrise has been more popular 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.520 than Today for a long time, to be fair, in 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.280 America they have like Good Morning America GMA and the 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.440 Today Show as well, right, and so they have a 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.200 similar model in that there are two. And it's true, 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.880 is that one of the big breakfast TV moments I 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:52.440 remember showing my age is the Beaconsfield mind disaster. 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:53.280 Do you remember that? 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.080 And the TV hosts would all go were there and 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:01.080 they were broadcasting from this and it was like Koshi 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.160 got to go in the van with the Fellers when 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:04.800 they got out, and that was a big thing and 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.879 I remember religiously watching that. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:09.320 So the people who. 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.880 Do the people who succeed on morning television, the Karls, 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:19.600 the mel Doyle, Koshi, Nat Bar, Lisa Wilkinson, you know, 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.879 they're all because it's three. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.320 Hours of live television. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.840 So you have to be so skilled. 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.160 You have to be able to interview the Prime Minister, you. 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.640 Have to be able to cross live, do roll and coverage, 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.399 you know, do a funny segment where someone's stressed as 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:35.720 a cow giving away money. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.760 You have to do all of those things. 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.280 So you have to be incredibly multi talented in a 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.080 very specific way and in a way that makes people 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:45.000 feel like they know. 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.160 You because they do. 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.080 Like people would always say to me, what's Lisa Wilkinson like? 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.960 And I'm like, She's exactly what you see, and so 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.800 is Karl in many ways, or that's slightly different, and 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.639 so it's Koshi in mel and Nat bar and I 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.199 don't know shervo very well, but the same because you 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.360