Speaker 1: Out loud as welcome, Welcome to Mamma Mia out loud.
Speaker 1: It's what women are actually talking about on What is
Speaker 1: the date today? Wednesday, the thirtieth of July.
Speaker 2: Winter is going to be over in another month. Whoo.
Speaker 2: Producer Gracie Holly, Sorry, it's the twenty ninth.
Speaker 3: Of July today.
Speaker 2: It's wrong in the script. No, no, it's wrong in
Speaker 2: the script.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: I had to look down to see what was written
Speaker 1: to see what date it is, because I never know
Speaker 1: the date. I'm one of those people who never knows
Speaker 1: the date. You know, you're always going what date is it?
Speaker 3: Anyway?
Speaker 1: They got it wrong in the script because it's actually
Speaker 1: only the twenty ninth. You have one more day of
Speaker 1: winter than we just thought you did.
Speaker 4: Thirty days has September, April, June and November. Now you've
Speaker 4: got two more days.
Speaker 1: We're really discombobulated. Two more days of winter than we thought.
Speaker 1: But still that's hardly any isn't it a month and
Speaker 1: two days? Anyways?
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Speaker 3: My name is Hollywayne, right.
Speaker 5: Name is Amelia Laston.
Speaker 3: I'm just over it already.
Speaker 4: I'm me a freedman and this is hard is this
Speaker 4: when Wednesdays were all.
Speaker 1: It's like trying to remember what day it is, where
Speaker 1: are we what type of year it is?
Speaker 3: Sorry, Mia, Sorry, I expected you to.
Speaker 4: Be more professional, meant to be a serious episode.
Speaker 1: Here is what is on our agenda for today, Sam
Speaker 1: Suvo Carl that in a week where the evolving chairs
Speaker 1: of Brecky TV are back in the news, I want
Speaker 1: to know, does it really even matter anymore?
Speaker 6: Plus, I've got some good news for next time you
Speaker 6: go clothes shopping, which you'll probably be directly after the show.
Speaker 6: And Jennifer Aniston's newish boyfriend is a hypnotist, which I love,
Speaker 6: and she's about to interview him on stage at his
Speaker 6: own book launch and I wonder if he'll make her
Speaker 6: cluck like a chicken.
Speaker 5: Maybe.
Speaker 3: But first, in case you missed it, Amelia.
Speaker 5: No, look me, you and I I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: I've got to bring something to the table here because
Speaker 6: me and I aren't always on the same show, impact
Speaker 6: you are very rarely on the same show.
Speaker 2: And okay, Jada pink at Smith, what are you bringing?
Speaker 6: I just got a bit of a bone to pick with.
Speaker 6: You could be anything, and it's about our desks. We
Speaker 6: are in a cold war about hot desks? Is this
Speaker 6: about where we're sitting at the table? Yes, so look
Speaker 6: his way it happened. No, no, no, no, our table
Speaker 6: are desks in the office where we do our work.
Speaker 6: So look that there was a big mix up of desks,
Speaker 6: shake up of desks last week.
Speaker 1: You plan. We talked it out louder about it on
Speaker 1: the Friday The Daily mallon No Time. M Erna made
Speaker 1: her pledge on this show that she wanted to keep
Speaker 1: her window seat with the good light.
Speaker 3: She got to keep it.
Speaker 6: And I had one small, modest request.
Speaker 5: I frosted.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend I wasn't involved. I was
Speaker 2: highly involved.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I knew it. You pretended to be
Speaker 5: all like above, So what's your problem?
Speaker 6: I wanted to sit next to my co host Holly Wainwright,
Speaker 6: with whom I co host Monday and Wednesday episodes of
Speaker 6: Australia's number one podcastle.
Speaker 4: Never end of this woman, Like, honestly, does anyone give
Speaker 4: a shit about me? Now?
Speaker 6: You put yourself in next to you put yourself next
Speaker 6: to Holly? And I said no, And I did something
Speaker 6: a bit nausey, a bit passive aggressive, and I swapped
Speaker 6: the post it.
Speaker 3: That's like when you go to a.
Speaker 1: Wedding and I'm about that and you go and check
Speaker 1: the seating cat and then you just.
Speaker 5: Totally do that all the time. I'm one of those people.
Speaker 4: I've now got three different I've got my own office
Speaker 4: and I've got two different desks.
Speaker 5: I'm on the move.
Speaker 6: I did want to point to you that you have
Speaker 6: your own office, and I've.
Speaker 4: Also got another desk with the execs. But I'm also
Speaker 4: slumming it down with you, bitch in the out loud area,
Speaker 4: which is open plan, which I'm loving.
Speaker 2: I bet everyone is hating having me sit there.
Speaker 4: Not because I'm too talky, because I got my noise
Speaker 4: cats on phones, but because people I don't know, people
Speaker 4: give you because.
Speaker 3: You can airwig on all the conversation.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, we moved last week. Oh well, actually
Speaker 1: we moved this week. I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 4: Yes, I know, Holly, because I saw on Instagram you
Speaker 4: post it because yesterday when you weren't hear Amelia, I
Speaker 4: was sitting next to Holly, and so then I went
Speaker 4: home and I was scrolling my phone and I see
Speaker 4: Holly posting a story about I've got an exciting new
Speaker 4: desk mate, and I like, yeah, I'm ready bring in
Speaker 4: the love. And then it was it was m Vernon,
Speaker 4: then it was not. I was not even mentioned because
Speaker 4: I'm just chopped.
Speaker 1: Cabbine because you've got three other desks, so you're not
Speaker 1: really my desk mate, em Is and Amelia.
Speaker 6: Here's what I need on my desk, my desk listening.
Speaker 6: My desk is very zen. It has my water bottle,
Speaker 6: some hot sauce that Holly gifted me because I love
Speaker 6: me some hot sauce, and all my cords arranged in
Speaker 6: exactly the right way. And you made fun of that,
Speaker 6: and you said, oh, we can't mess up your cords.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 5: Did you have anything to bring up with me, miam?
Speaker 2: I'm going to save that for another day. Oh, quite conversial.
Speaker 2: Well here, I'll just do it now.
Speaker 4: I think it's really weird the way before the show,
Speaker 4: you guys go and put your makeup on in the toilet.
Speaker 5: Where would you rather I do it?
Speaker 4: No, because it's like that's where people do and poos
Speaker 4: and change their tampons, and like it's not an appropriate
Speaker 4: place to brush your.
Speaker 2: Teeth, Like y'all know you do that too. It's for
Speaker 2: things going out shore, things going on. It should be
Speaker 2: things just it's a private place.
Speaker 5: I don't like it.
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm surveying the people in there in
Speaker 6: their bow movements.
Speaker 5: Don't hate me being there.
Speaker 3: It's not fair.
Speaker 4: This is why women have gutty shoes, because people like
Speaker 4: you're in there doing your makeup, and so no one
Speaker 4: feels that they can just let loose and do their business.
Speaker 5: That's what the second toury is on.
Speaker 2: You take twenty twenty minutes.
Speaker 5: I do. Have you heard about the second four?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Level poop. That's bad toilet.
Speaker 1: I've never been to level poo, never been terrible. But
Speaker 1: I had never thought, not even for a minute, had
Speaker 1: I considered putting my makeupon in the same space that
Speaker 1: people are doing and poos until you just brought it.
Speaker 5: And now I can't.
Speaker 3: Now I can't now.
Speaker 2: The noises, I don't even think about it. Don't you
Speaker 2: smell the smell?
Speaker 1: Oh dear, Oh, no happens in everybody's just chats over
Speaker 1: the toilet. Well, sometimes you have some good gossip in there,
Speaker 1: what you do in your lipstick, But now you put that,
Speaker 1: I can't do it.
Speaker 3: Now, that's it. Okay, I'm going to bring something more
Speaker 3: important to the table.
Speaker 2: You lot.
Speaker 5: Problems.
Speaker 1: I don't want to worry anyone, But do we all
Speaker 1: remember what happened on Monday at two pm? It was
Speaker 1: quite it's quite alarmingarm just a reminder for what the
Speaker 1: OS alert was for. So this test, it was for
Speaker 1: an alert that would go out in these kind of situations,
Speaker 1: natural hazards, so bushfires, floods, cyclones, tsunami, severe storms, public
Speaker 1: safety threats, so if there's a major security issue, you
Speaker 1: or active emergency and anything health and biosecurity related. So
Speaker 1: we've all lived through that before pandemic was national. It
Speaker 1: was national.
Speaker 3: It was absolutely everywhere. No matter what.
Speaker 2: I thought, it was exciting. Were you?
Speaker 3: I wasn't with you. What happened in the office.
Speaker 4: I was in a meeting and we all knew it
Speaker 4: was going to happen. It two and we were all
Speaker 4: quite excited. But then everyone still jumped to it. It happened
Speaker 4: because it was.
Speaker 2: Loud and than I expected.
Speaker 3: Everybody did. Where were you and me alone?
Speaker 5: I was just walking down the street.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was getting into a train because I was
Speaker 1: going home early that day because it was parente tonight
Speaker 1: I'm what going to like in public on the train,
Speaker 1: everybody went.
Speaker 2: Like that, like shocked, even though, as you say, we'd all.
Speaker 1: Been waiting for it all day, and then we wereent. Oh,
Speaker 1: and then what happened is what leads me to my
Speaker 1: next point. The guy on the train next to me said, Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what the conspiracy theorists have
Speaker 1: to say about this, And I was like, sir, let
Speaker 1: me tell you, because what happened to me on Monday
Speaker 1: morning on my way in, My algorithm suddenly started only
Speaker 1: feeding me really conspiratorial stuff about the ozolith, which.
Speaker 6: I knew nothing about. I didn't even know there were
Speaker 6: conspiracy theories?
Speaker 5: What are they?
Speaker 1: Let me play you a little bit of one of
Speaker 1: the videos I got served on Instagram.
Speaker 7: This is for the people who've woken up and don't
Speaker 7: trust the government. I'm not one hundred percent sure if
Speaker 7: we can trust what they're saying, which is that if
Speaker 7: you have your phone off until three pm that you
Speaker 7: won't get it. So I personally am going to leave
Speaker 7: mine off for twenty four hours.
Speaker 4: So that's what people think that how do people think
Speaker 4: the government is so organized? But maybe joys can't even
Speaker 4: control his own dogs, National conspiracy, What's going to happen
Speaker 4: through our phone?
Speaker 1: It's so funny because the thing is is that that
Speaker 1: woman when I was choosing a video to play you
Speaker 1: a little bit of it was actually quite hard because
Speaker 1: so many of them, and like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be disrespectful, but it's really difficult not to be disrespectful
Speaker 1: because so many of them were so batshit.
Speaker 5: It was I should be.
Speaker 1: People were saying that the alert is going out at
Speaker 1: a certain frequency that is going to somehow interact with
Speaker 1: the nanoparticles we were injected with with our COVID vaccines
Speaker 1: and it's.
Speaker 3: Going to make us really sick.
Speaker 2: Or they were saying, like, what's the benefit of that?
Speaker 3: Who knows?
Speaker 1: There was no ribraes And then other people were saying,
Speaker 1: this is all about surveillance. When they really want to
Speaker 1: get us to do whatever it is they all want
Speaker 1: to get us to do, they're not going to sound
Speaker 1: an alert. And then there were people literally all through
Speaker 1: my feed, and because I watched one because I was
Speaker 1: interested in what they were saying, it was then all
Speaker 1: that was in my feed, and it was these people
Speaker 1: were saying, I'm going to dismantle my phone and bury
Speaker 1: it in the garden. Some people were saying, I'm going
Speaker 1: to wrap my phone in alfoil and hide it in
Speaker 1: the microwave like people. And then there were lots of
Speaker 1: posts from some businesses saying we are not os alert friendly,
Speaker 1: so we're going to close on Monday, or please do
Speaker 1: not bring your mobile phone anywhere.
Speaker 6: Kidding, No, I'm just still stuck on the idea that
Speaker 6: if you put your phone in the microwave covered in
Speaker 6: alphaur and you have children and they turn on the
Speaker 6: microwave in the outer water, happen something not good to
Speaker 6: your phone.
Speaker 1: But do you think that all this because it's kind
Speaker 1: of silly, right, And I have a suspicion that the
Speaker 1: reason I started getting them is because I like compost, right,
Speaker 1: Like because.
Speaker 2: It's because burying the garden and the oithm.
Speaker 1: It's that, I think because I'm a gardener and the
Speaker 1: outlouders know that, and I know it's boring to everybody else,
Speaker 1: But like I do watch a lot of videos about.
Speaker 6: Like I do like getting bullied into adding that caveat
Speaker 6: every time she mentions gardening, don't you can?
Speaker 2: I just say, the funniest thing to me about.
Speaker 4: This is that all of these people are posting on Instagram,
Speaker 4: which is owned by Meta, who are their actual.
Speaker 2: Ones who know everything about you? Like the.
Speaker 4: Governments could coordinate something like that. However, Meta, where they're
Speaker 4: happily putting in all their information and telling them what
Speaker 4: they're going to do and using you know, face ID
Speaker 4: on their phone prints to have you.
Speaker 5: Have you seen it?
Speaker 2: The government could do this?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so true. Maa. Anyway, so far,
Speaker 3: so good. Again.
Speaker 1: I don't want to disrespect anybody's deeply closely held conspiracy,
Speaker 1: but this.
Speaker 5: Is why she's the popular one.
Speaker 3: You're like to come on, But so far, so good.
Speaker 1: Nothing bad has happened in the fact that my al
Speaker 1: went off on my phone touch wood and now I
Speaker 1: had to actually tell my phone stop. I'm not interested,
Speaker 1: but now they're not saving me compost, so I don't
Speaker 1: know what.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do out ladders.
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Speaker 4: talk about.
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Speaker 2: in Central Park? Are they the new cold Play kiss Cam?
Speaker 2: And also a thinly v novel that is said to
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Speaker 2: not already a subscriber.
Speaker 4: There's a link in the show notes so you can
Speaker 4: get us in your ears five days a week, because
Speaker 4: why wouldn't.
Speaker 2: You want to do that?
Speaker 1: After the break does it matter who sits in the
Speaker 1: Breakfast TV seats suddenly vacated by the big dogs.
Speaker 3: I'm desperate to hear what Mia thinks about this.
Speaker 1: I saw a satirical post this week amongst the conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories and compost about the musical chairs on Australian Breakfast TV,
Speaker 1: right among a collection of the headlines about who might
Speaker 1: be in the lineup of the Today Show now that
Speaker 1: Carl's gone off to.
Speaker 3: Be Chief Conspiracy. I don't know what he's going to be.
Speaker 1: And Sarah Arbo's on Matt Leaf with her baby. She
Speaker 1: had a little baby. I think he's called Sonny.
Speaker 3: That's very cute were the words.
Speaker 1: Today's show vastly overrates Australia's interest in who sits in
Speaker 1: this desk, So math Mtig took one of those chairs
Speaker 1: on Monday once obviously a Brecky TV titan on Sunrise
Speaker 1: for a long time with Koshi. She's now been in
Speaker 1: and out of that Today Shows studio on holiday breaks,
Speaker 1: and she's there at the moment sitting next to Mike
Speaker 1: Willercy Junior. Although no one is saying that this is
Speaker 1: the permanent lineup. I have two questions, does it matter
Speaker 1: anymore who sits in these seats? Because they were always
Speaker 1: seen as being very influential, but as we talked about
Speaker 1: a lot when we were talking about Carl's exit, less
Speaker 1: so now, and yet it still seems to say something
Speaker 1: about influence and power in Australian media, like who gets
Speaker 1: to sit in those chairs?
Speaker 3: Does it matter anymore? Mea.
Speaker 2: It's such an.
Speaker 4: Interesting question because we're looking at such a big shift
Speaker 4: in media and so much disruption, and breakfast media is
Speaker 4: very specific in terms of a type of media, and
Speaker 4: by that I mean breakfast TV and breakfast radio because
Speaker 4: they have been disrupted more than anything by phones. You know,
Speaker 4: the whole idea of news on the hour and the
Speaker 4: weather report coming after. You know, this idea that you've
Speaker 4: got to wait till seven point thirty to hear what
Speaker 4: the temperature is going to be. It's all that data
Speaker 4: because we'll just pick up our phone, right True.
Speaker 3: The weather used to be like God put the weather.
Speaker 4: On, just like oh yeah. But it's interesting because of
Speaker 4: you know, we're a pretty we're big consumers of media.
Speaker 4: But you're the only one that still watches breakfast television.
Speaker 2: Mostly you don't watch it at home.
Speaker 1: No, I watch it because I often stay in hotels
Speaker 1: and or at my friend's house and she does still
Speaker 1: watch it. She has it on ambiently in the background way,
Speaker 1: so I end up seeing it a lot.
Speaker 5: Exactly.
Speaker 4: So, even though breakfast television compared to prime time there's
Speaker 4: so fewer people watching, it has a much much bigger
Speaker 4: footprint because of revenue and because the people who are
Speaker 4: watching are quite valuable because they're sticky. So breakfast media
Speaker 4: brands work, and they're so big because they combine personality
Speaker 4: with ritual because we all tend to the same thing
Speaker 4: or certainly before work from home, but we have similar
Speaker 4: routines every day.
Speaker 1: Out loud, if you've got kids in school, out loud,
Speaker 1: as will often say, like, you know, if we don't
Speaker 1: drop the show at five, we'll get a certain amount
Speaker 1: of out louders who are saying, but that's what I
Speaker 1: listened to on my way home, Well, that's what I
Speaker 1: listened to on my evening walk, or that's exactly and
Speaker 1: The other thing that breakfast media has in common actually
Speaker 1: with podcasts, who've been big disruptors to both of those mediums, is.
Speaker 2: The parasocial relationship, because you.
Speaker 4: Can have a primetime host who is reading a script,
Speaker 4: like the host of I don't know what Lego Masters
Speaker 4: or what are the big shows?
Speaker 3: Hey yeah, Lego Master, Chester Chef.
Speaker 4: They are very produced, packaged, scripted, whereas breakfast TV and
Speaker 4: breakfast radio it's the closest you have to podcasting in
Speaker 4: that it's a lot of there's some things that are scripted,
Speaker 4: but a lot of it is unscripted.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting that in the last few years, podcasts
Speaker 6: and morning TV have kind of merged in terms of
Speaker 6: what they're offering the audience. And you see this reallyomatically
Speaker 6: in an American context with the morning shows there and
Speaker 6: how they've become. Like I remember when nine to eleven happened,
Speaker 6: everyone turned on the television. I was in the US
Speaker 6: at the time, and everyone turned on their TVs, and
Speaker 6: the morning shows really excelled at explaining the events of
Speaker 6: that day in a way that everyone understood. They were
Speaker 6: performing a very important journalistic service. And the people who
Speaker 6: host these shows are still often journalists, but they're now
Speaker 6: being asked to reveal a lot more of themselves on.
Speaker 1: Air and in America in the way that here we
Speaker 1: have Today and Sunrise, and Sunrise has been more popular
Speaker 1: than Today for a long time, to be fair, in
Speaker 1: America they have like Good Morning America GMA and the
Speaker 1: Today Show as well, right, and so they have a
Speaker 1: similar model in that there are two. And it's true,
Speaker 1: is that one of the big breakfast TV moments I
Speaker 1: remember showing my age is the Beaconsfield mind disaster.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: And the TV hosts would all go were there and
Speaker 1: they were broadcasting from this and it was like Koshi
Speaker 1: got to go in the van with the Fellers when
Speaker 1: they got out, and that was a big thing and
Speaker 1: I remember religiously watching that.
Speaker 2: So the people who.
Speaker 4: Do the people who succeed on morning television, the Karls,
Speaker 4: the mel Doyle, Koshi, Nat Bar, Lisa Wilkinson, you know,
Speaker 4: they're all because it's three.
Speaker 2: Hours of live television.
Speaker 3: So you have to be so skilled.
Speaker 2: You have to be able to interview the Prime Minister, you.
Speaker 4: Have to be able to cross live, do roll and coverage,
Speaker 4: you know, do a funny segment where someone's stressed as
Speaker 4: a cow giving away money.
Speaker 2: You have to do all of those things.
Speaker 4: So you have to be incredibly multi talented in a
Speaker 4: very specific way and in a way that makes people
Speaker 4: feel like they know.
Speaker 2: You because they do.
Speaker 4: Like people would always say to me, what's Lisa Wilkinson like?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, She's exactly what you see, and so
Speaker 4: is Karl in many ways, or that's slightly different, and
Speaker 4: so it's Koshi in mel and Nat bar and I
Speaker 4: don't know shervo very well, but the same because you
Speaker 4: can't fake who you are for three hours.
Speaker 1: I want to know whether so given that, right, that
Speaker 1: the influence. We talk a lot about the attention economy
Speaker 1: and what brands and audience want is they want influence, right,
Speaker 1: So if those seats have dropped in their influence, yep,
Speaker 1: if you were casting a breakfast TV show, So because
Speaker 1: Carl's gone off to be a podcast titan and Sarah's
Speaker 1: gone off to have a baby, and you've kind of
Speaker 1: got this empty desk. Sam obviously has formed, but given
Speaker 1: the dropping relevance, would you try and make make it
Speaker 1: more relevant by like bringing in some young people mixing
Speaker 1: it up or is there a point in doing that
Speaker 1: because the audience is older, Like, what would make it
Speaker 1: more relevant anything? I mean, I know they've all got
Speaker 1: social media now people watch it more on clips. It
Speaker 1: still matters. I saw someone say that even though people
Speaker 1: aren't watching those shows linear in linear way anymore, whether
Speaker 1: or not a politician stuffs up on one of those shows,
Speaker 1: whether the hostess something outrageous or whatever, travels and still
Speaker 1: enters the new cycle of the day. So it still
Speaker 1: has a traveling footprint. So would you try and make
Speaker 1: it more relevant, stick some a gen z on there
Speaker 1: or whatever, or would you go with the old people.
Speaker 6: One recent viral moment that we talked about on the
Speaker 6: show was when Gwyneth Paltrow went on American Breakfast TV
Speaker 6: and talked about how arugula that is rocket is a
Speaker 6: dairy segment in a cooking segment.
Speaker 4: What I would do is I try to get Carrie bigmore.
Speaker 4: There are very few people in Australian celebrity in TV
Speaker 4: life who have the journalistic chops but also the sort
Speaker 4: of investment of our attention and our interest. And if
Speaker 4: you look at the way Sunrise has navigated host changes,
Speaker 4: they've done it so seamlessly, so well.
Speaker 2: Over a period of years.
Speaker 4: It was difficult when mel Dooyle left and they brought
Speaker 4: in Sam Armitage, but they had Hoshi is the mainstay.
Speaker 4: They had Nat bar still as a newsreader. And then
Speaker 4: when when Sam left and they brought nat Bar in,
Speaker 4: and then when Koshi left and they brought Chervo in.
Speaker 4: They developed the cast and the bench strength really deliberately
Speaker 4: and really carefully over time. Today the Today Show has
Speaker 4: had so they've been so reactive, they've had so many
Speaker 4: different hosts. They've never given no one's given a chance
Speaker 4: anymore to bed in, because it's like, well, if it
Speaker 4: doesn't work, change change change. That's that's kind of how
Speaker 4: Channel nine have done it. And so what's interesting now though,
Speaker 4: is that someone like Carry Bigmore, she doesn't want to
Speaker 4: get up at three am and do three hours of
Speaker 4: Life TIV when she can get paid a ton more
Speaker 4: or at least a comparative amount doing afternoon National Radio,
Speaker 4: which is like two hours of work, and it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's less desirable, it's much less desirable. And then the
Speaker 4: other thing is that the big Titans, the Koshi's, the Kyles,
Speaker 4: the Carl's, Funnily enough, all men, they don't want to
Speaker 4: be employees anymore. So they all were smart enough to
Speaker 4: see that, not that the women aren't smart, but they
Speaker 4: saw that that even though they were being paid millions of.
Speaker 2: Dollars, those those days are over, Like.
Speaker 4: There's just not those kind of salaries, not that much
Speaker 4: money in broadcast and radio anymore. So they wanted to
Speaker 4: be in control. His Morgan did the same thing. You know,
Speaker 4: It's why I left media to try and start something
Speaker 4: that I owned. And so basically they relied on the
Speaker 4: fact that they had very very strong followings, very engaged
Speaker 4: audiences that would pay them rather than essentially monetize the
Speaker 4: platform that was broadcasting them.
Speaker 3: So Carl has lost his big dog seat.
Speaker 1: But as we said at the time, and you when
Speaker 1: we when you and I did that emergency episode about
Speaker 1: him leaving, there was it was a a.
Speaker 3: Way, it was a plan, yep.
Speaker 1: And even though it's done, if you're just skating around
Speaker 1: media stuff, you'd be like, oh, I haven't seen as
Speaker 1: much of Kyle lately, and you think his influence is dropping.
Speaker 1: His podcast is actually still always in the top five,
Speaker 1: and he's doing all right. Kyle over here this week
Speaker 1: has started launching and teasing his live show it's a
Speaker 1: subscription model. He's dropping a little bit of paid content
Speaker 1: out of paid a little bit of free content to
Speaker 1: lead you down that and looking at it, it's very male.
Speaker 1: It's all black like, very like black and golden serious
Speaker 1: and Kissfemma promoting it, which is really.
Speaker 4: Invested as part of the settlement, They've invested money in it.
Speaker 4: They've got a share of advertising revenue. So these are
Speaker 4: media type of media big names, big dogs who want control.
Speaker 4: They don't want to be employees anymore. They're going to
Speaker 4: take that risk, either with the financial backing or with
Speaker 4: money that they've accrued, and.
Speaker 3: They're going to try and do I know women doing that?
Speaker 3: Why know women?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: Because there's I mean, it felt to me. We discussed
Speaker 3: it at the time, the Kyle deal as a big
Speaker 3: dig deal.
Speaker 1: I described it because it feels like he's kind of
Speaker 1: got a lot of support from all the big dog Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, Jackie O tried to do it.
Speaker 4: She did Besties with her friend Jemma Fordham, which she's
Speaker 4: sort of wound down because I think that that was
Speaker 4: a little bit in competition or she didn't have the
Speaker 4: time or whatever to devote while she was getting paid
Speaker 4: The big Bucks. But now that the radio deal's fallen through,
Speaker 4: her case is going to court and she and Aarna
Speaker 4: in legal dispute over the ending of that contract.
Speaker 3: Kyle just wanted to settle so he could get on it.
Speaker 4: He knew, Yeah, I was getting paid ridiculous amounts of money.
Speaker 4: That's come to an end. I want to go and
Speaker 4: do it myself now.
Speaker 3: So interesting. Thank you, Mia Friedman, media translator.
Speaker 6: After the break, your wardrobe is about to change, and
Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you why.
Speaker 5: Five months later, the Iram war is still going on.
Speaker 6: And look, I could go into the ins and outs
Speaker 6: of it with you, but I don't even feel like
Speaker 6: I'm on top of it myself. There's been a lot
Speaker 6: of one step forward, two steps back, so let's just
Speaker 6: leave it there. The biggest way though, that Australians are
Speaker 6: going to be feeling the ongoing effects of this war
Speaker 6: on a day to day level are obviously petrol prices
Speaker 6: and these are already high. They're likely to get higher
Speaker 6: as few reserves around the world dry up. And there's
Speaker 6: lots of other effects too. There's like fertilizer food, not
Speaker 6: to mention the human lives or endangered.
Speaker 2: Look by this don't you need fertilizer.
Speaker 3: I've told you I'm organic.
Speaker 1: Like, if we're doing fertilizer just cowpoo, well it can
Speaker 1: be organic. Fertilizer is. But the fertilizer we're talking about
Speaker 1: here is not cowpoo.
Speaker 3: They're not flying in loads and loads of cow poo.
Speaker 2: I don't know how cowpoo works.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to make this segment about fertilizer.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 6: There's one unexpected effect of the war which I think
Speaker 6: you'll be interested in, Miya, and it's on your wardrobe.
Speaker 6: Because the Iran war could spell the end of fast fashion.
Speaker 6: I'm calling it here. Oh you want to know why.
Speaker 6: There's two reasons. The first is that most of your
Speaker 6: wardrobe is made of oil. Did you know that plastic
Speaker 6: is made of oil?
Speaker 1: Oil?
Speaker 3: I don't think you're.
Speaker 6: Right if you're not wearing a natural fiber your clothes
Speaker 6: are made from oil. And the second reason is that,
Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's morally neutral, but if oil prices
Speaker 6: are going up, it means like all your polyester and
Speaker 6: your spandex and your nylon are going to get way
Speaker 6: more expensive.
Speaker 5: Have leisure lookout. And then the.
Speaker 6: Second cameltoes in trouble. Oh yeah, Camelto is going to
Speaker 6: be on the decline. Yep, you heard it hit first.
Speaker 6: The second reason is because fashion brands that have cheap clothes,
Speaker 6: they mostly make those clothes in Asia, and then they
Speaker 6: got to get them from the Asian factories to all
Speaker 6: the other parts of the world that have bought the clothes.
Speaker 5: Planes in planes.
Speaker 6: So one way you can think about it is when
Speaker 6: you buy a piece of clothing from Achene or a
Speaker 6: T MoU or an H and M, you're basically buying
Speaker 6: a seat on a plane for your like little T
Speaker 6: shirt or your shirt or your jeans, and so that
Speaker 6: little steel on the plane is getting more and more
Speaker 6: expensive as time goes on. I learned this week that Zara,
Speaker 6: for instance, basically runs an entire airport in Spain because
Speaker 6: basically the Zara clodes, the Zara clothes are made in
Speaker 6: your Bangladesh's and in your Turkeys and other places, and
Speaker 6: then has to be shipped from those places to Spain
Speaker 6: and then shipped to all the Tzara stores around the world.
Speaker 3: I see this, All of this sounds like bad news.
Speaker 1: Well, if you like cheap clothes, which let's be honest,
Speaker 1: even though we all know there are ethical problems with
Speaker 1: really cheap clothes.
Speaker 3: Most of us wear cheap clothes because cheap.
Speaker 5: Here's how it's going to play out.
Speaker 6: I think that clothes from say in H and M
Speaker 6: are going to get more expensive, and then clothes that
Speaker 6: are made using local supply chains, like made in Australia,
Speaker 6: using fibers that come from Australia, which are going to
Speaker 6: get which are usually way more expensive, are going to
Speaker 6: get comparatively cheaper. So what it means is like they
Speaker 6: don't need a plain seat, they don't need a plane seat,
Speaker 6: and so the H and the M and the R
Speaker 6: and Williams are basically converging on each other. And I
Speaker 6: think from an environmental perspective that's a really good thing.
Speaker 6: But I wonder if the sort of way in which
Speaker 6: fast fashion has been stigmatized in recent years, and there's
Speaker 6: good reasons for that fashion is really polluting and there's
Speaker 6: a lot of waste.
Speaker 5: Generated by fast fashion.
Speaker 6: But it's sort of interesting that for practical reasons people
Speaker 6: might be turning away from fast fashion, even as for
Speaker 6: ethical reasons they were being told to do so.
Speaker 2: So fast fashion is getting more expensive.
Speaker 3: Here's the TLDR.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, that's not good news for your trends, because
Speaker 1: Mia likes to try a trend before you, before one
Speaker 1: invests in.
Speaker 5: Have you felt that pressure?
Speaker 6: I would say in reason is there has been more
Speaker 6: sort of scrutiny on the idea of buying cheaper clothes.
Speaker 5: Have you felt that pressure?
Speaker 2: I think it's a classic.
Speaker 4: Case of people saying one thing but doing another way,
Speaker 4: and so that there'll be people who will loudly be
Speaker 4: critical because of what it says about them, and also
Speaker 4: because of what they believe, but also because of what
Speaker 4: it says about them. And then there'll be people who
Speaker 4: might feel that way but also just can't afford to
Speaker 4: buy a pair of shoes or something for their kid
Speaker 4: or win a coat.
Speaker 6: That's not fast, which is why it's interesting that the
Speaker 6: locally made and produced stuff is now going to get
Speaker 6: comparatively cheaper, but.
Speaker 3: Only comparatively cheap.
Speaker 1: It's a cheaper and to me, it's point we have
Speaker 1: sort of been trained that we can buy a five
Speaker 1: dollar T shirt, you know what I mean. That's become
Speaker 1: quite normal now that I can buy a five dollar
Speaker 1: T shirt, and I can buy my kid a five
Speaker 1: dollar T shirt, and we might know that it might
Speaker 1: not last forever, but you know we're still going to
Speaker 1: do it, so it is it's kind of I get
Speaker 1: what you mean. In terms of comparative It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: that means buying something of quality that was made likely.
Speaker 3: The other piece to this, though that's good, is that
Speaker 3: people more and more and more buying sustainable stuff, as
Speaker 3: in secondhand, as in vintage.
Speaker 4: As I've vinted, that is actually the biggest the gamification
Speaker 4: of fashion, which is turning it into hunt, catch and release.
Speaker 2: Yes, and also hunting and doing all of that.
Speaker 4: You've got your eBay, like I've just sparked up my
Speaker 4: eBay account again, dpop' vnted the real real there's a
Speaker 4: ton of stuff that you can find. I've started searching
Speaker 4: there for specific things, and it's so much better for
Speaker 4: your bank account and for.
Speaker 3: The environment and a bit more fun.
Speaker 4: I think that's more of a threat because when now
Speaker 4: it's great for the environment because we're recycling, it's cheaper,
Speaker 4: it's less likely to obviously end up in landfill, it's.
Speaker 1: Harder, so it says more about your fun. People who
Speaker 1: are really good at vintage you have like a bit
Speaker 1: of status about it, like Lee Campbell is you'll be
Speaker 1: like that, and she'll be like, fifteen dollars.
Speaker 3: I might stop it. I could never find a fifteen dollars.
Speaker 6: I do think there's also a generational element here, because
Speaker 6: for millennials, we very much came of age as as
Speaker 6: the h and ms and the Zara's reached global ascendency
Speaker 6: and domination. So when we were going out into the
Speaker 6: workplace for the first time, we were naturally turning to
Speaker 6: H and M and Zara because that's what you did
Speaker 6: at the time. But what I'm hearing from gen Z
Speaker 6: is that fast fashion is sort of looked down upon
Speaker 6: a bit. People would rather say that they got something
Speaker 6: from a thrift shop than from a high street chain.
Speaker 6: And m Vernon was telling us when we were talking
Speaker 6: about this that she's noticed that influences are much less
Speaker 6: likely these days to be trying to sell a Timu
Speaker 6: or a shine product. Remember there was that factory tour,
Speaker 6: the Shine factory tour that influencers took a few years ago,
Speaker 6: and the zeitgeist has moved so much from their influencers
Speaker 6: these days, particularly not gen zed ones. They wouldn't be
Speaker 6: caught dead doing a shine factory tour anymore so, it's
Speaker 6: like fast fashion is becoming less fashionable, I guess, and
Speaker 6: it's also becoming more expensive. And another interesting trend that's
Speaker 6: kind of related to this is adjustable fashion. Have you
Speaker 6: heard anything about adjustable fashion? This is the so called
Speaker 6: Zempi pants. Yeah, so they're basically fashion. Designers are trying
Speaker 6: to think about ways to accommodate the fact that women's
Speaker 6: bodies change all the time. They change monthly, they change,
Speaker 6: they change from year to year. And in keeping with
Speaker 6: this trend of trying to produce clothing that people can
Speaker 6: use for longer, designers are coming up with stuff like
Speaker 6: more elasticized wastes, more knitted stretch panels if you put
Speaker 6: on weight. I have a pair of jeans that I
Speaker 6: proudly showed Holly the other day that have brohmets on
Speaker 6: up the legs, so you can adjust the length of
Speaker 6: the genes depending on what shoes you're.
Speaker 1: Wearing, make them shorter longer, just by doing a little
Speaker 1: button on the bottom.
Speaker 4: So instead, well, I do all of that stuff with
Speaker 4: rubber bands, but I would love it if I had
Speaker 4: a little mechanism.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 4: So the idea is you don't need two pairs of jeans,
Speaker 4: You can wear these one pair of jeans in two
Speaker 4: different ways exactly.
Speaker 6: And there's even Australian brands who are doing this, like
Speaker 6: creating dresses that, for instance, will go from sizes eight
Speaker 6: to twenty two. There's a brand called ever by X
Speaker 6: where the designer an Australian named kral Bullen. She originally
Speaker 6: wanted to make a dress that you could wear anywhere,
Speaker 6: so like that proverbial, like you know, from work to
Speaker 6: a cocktail party situation. No one has ever gone from
Speaker 6: work to a cocktail party but sideach bar all the
Speaker 6: time wearing the same thing.
Speaker 4: But no.
Speaker 6: What she realized in selling these dresses is that women
Speaker 6: love them because they could wear them no matter how
Speaker 6: they felt about their weight or their body, from month
Speaker 6: to month, year to year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've started doing that trick again because of course,
Speaker 4: in midlife, you you get changed shape and your weight redistributes,
Speaker 4: and it's hard, like suddenly you might be the same weight,
Speaker 4: but suddenly you can't do up your pants because it
Speaker 4: starts to collect.
Speaker 2: Around your middle. And so I've gone back to that
Speaker 2: trick I used.
Speaker 4: To do when I was pregnant, which is when I
Speaker 4: just get a little hair band and put it through
Speaker 4: the loop of my jeans so that I don't I
Speaker 4: can still wear them even though they don't do up anymore.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed by the way that Amelia has tried
Speaker 1: to take your seat as fashion expert around here?
Speaker 3: Are you feeling like.
Speaker 5: I don't claim to be an expert.
Speaker 1: She's the correspondent. She's definitely the clothing correspondent around here
Speaker 1: when me.
Speaker 3: Is not around.
Speaker 2: She's smart fashion.
Speaker 5: I'm just fast.
Speaker 4: Just before we go on Monday Show, I heard you
Speaker 4: guys speaking about the finance.
Speaker 2: Bro trophy wife. Yeah, that like Reese.
Speaker 4: Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman, they've stopped marrying celebrities and they've
Speaker 4: started dating billionaires, which is a choice. But there's also
Speaker 4: another archetype for famous divorced women that I want to
Speaker 4: ask you about. Hole. I know you'll have the answer.
Speaker 4: It's the woo woo boyfriend, because Jennifer Aniston has had
Speaker 4: one of those for a little while now. He's a hypnotist,
Speaker 4: which is my favorite fact ever. And is she actually
Speaker 4: really launching his book? And like what, I'm just to
Speaker 4: explain what's happening?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm so happy last one of my special subjects,
Speaker 3: along as compast.
Speaker 1: I was not very good at fast fashion, but I'm
Speaker 1: really good on Aniston's boyfriends. We said on Monday right
Speaker 1: that finance dudes, that Nicole Kidman's dating a man in finance,
Speaker 1: and Amelia posited one of the reasons why Eurysis and
Speaker 1: Nicks like guys like that is they've got jobs.
Speaker 3: So they've got proper jobs.
Speaker 6: They're actually not billionaires, they're millionaires. They're people who are
Speaker 6: still having to go to work every day.
Speaker 5: I called it.
Speaker 1: They've got jobs and they are rich. So those two
Speaker 1: things like make them less needy on the celebrity.
Speaker 4: And also less likely to be having to do a
Speaker 4: sex scene with a hot young woman.
Speaker 5: That's a job that we had to sell if you
Speaker 5: work in finance.
Speaker 1: But the other side of that, the flip side, is
Speaker 1: the way that Aniston has gone and allegedly her friends
Speaker 1: and are worried about this. So we said last year
Speaker 1: that she had She went insto official in November last
Speaker 1: year they started she soft launched.
Speaker 3: This guy.
Speaker 1: He's called Jim Curtis and he is a as you say,
Speaker 1: a hypnotherapist. He's a coach, so he coaches people. He's
Speaker 1: an author, a hypnotherapist, and a wellness executive. That's how
Speaker 1: he describes himself, a wellness executive. Yes, he has a business.
Speaker 1: So if you go on his socials and he's prolific
Speaker 1: on socials, which is really interesting because Aniston is not.
Speaker 5: He's fundamentally a hypnotist.
Speaker 3: But he like does it.
Speaker 1: I follow him, of course I do, and he like
Speaker 1: gives you a mantra for the day.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. It's like, here's a mantra,
Speaker 3: here's a meditation. So it'll be things.
Speaker 1: About like the world is abundant, I will get what
Speaker 1: I need, Like it's all that kind of stuff. Right,
Speaker 1: So he's there. He looks very it's very stylized. He's
Speaker 1: very handsome, he looks a bit ai ish and he's
Speaker 1: like telling you what to say to yourself. He's that guy, right.
Speaker 1: They Soft launched in September last year and Hard launched
Speaker 1: in November, So.
Speaker 5: You just pulled that out of your head.
Speaker 2: The government when that happened.
Speaker 6: The fluency, she unveiled that special government watch list.
Speaker 5: You're kind of close personal friends.
Speaker 1: I've never met anyway her, so they've been together a
Speaker 1: while now, and apparently she has a lot of interest
Speaker 1: in wellness and woos.
Speaker 3: So they've got a lot in com has to be fair.
Speaker 4: I remember she spoke about whenever she has to make
Speaker 4: a decision or whatever.
Speaker 2: She's got these friends.
Speaker 4: She's got a very close group of girlfriends who she's
Speaker 4: had since I don't know, she was in her twenties.
Speaker 4: And they do something called the circle and they all
Speaker 4: sit on the floor and they bring it to the circle.
Speaker 6: This is And also there's the in Style article, remember
Speaker 6: that in depth interview that she did fairly recently, maybe
Speaker 6: three years ago, where the interviewer described her house as
Speaker 6: filled with crystals of various types.
Speaker 3: She has definitely got the wood. That circle sounds like.
Speaker 3: Remember Jala's movie This Is Me. Yeah, and there was
Speaker 3: there were the.
Speaker 2: Advisors who were off there going back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so great.
Speaker 2: She's quite earnest in her woo.
Speaker 1: She definitely anyway, so is Jim. And the thing is
Speaker 1: is her friends are apparently worried for the opposite reason about
Speaker 1: the millionaire finance bros. Is that they think that Jen
Speaker 1: is turning down work and doing too much for Jim.
Speaker 6: You know who this friend is, it's clearly Chelsea Handler.
Speaker 6: Chelsea Handler is a famous friend of Jen's and she
Speaker 6: is having none of this. This is so clear to me.
Speaker 3: That's so interesting. So Chelsea is the one who's.
Speaker 6: Leaving, is like, let's go to Carbo, and Jen's like,
Speaker 6: I can't because the moon's in Jupiter or whatever.
Speaker 1: Really, and then I was like, this doesn't sound Jens
Speaker 1: an independent one. She does what she wants to do.
Speaker 3: Of course she does.
Speaker 1: I love how it's always fears for Aniston, who is
Speaker 1: a wealthy, beautiful, indent woman.
Speaker 5: And they're expressing these fears to the tabot where they are.
Speaker 1: And then an example of this would be that he
Speaker 1: is launching a new book called The Book of Possibility soon.
Speaker 1: And as I say, he's a coach, so he's all
Speaker 1: about you can do it, you can do it, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. You can dream of dating Jennifer Aniston in
Speaker 1: one day.
Speaker 5: That's a compelling person on narrative.
Speaker 1: He has, he manifested that, and she is launching it
Speaker 1: for him. She is doing an event, a proper like
Speaker 1: online event. You can either get in real life tickets
Speaker 1: or sign up tickets to go and watch Anniston interviewing
Speaker 1: him about his new book. And that evening ends in
Speaker 1: a group meditation.
Speaker 6: Session You're going to do this for us, right we go?
Speaker 3: That would be virtually good.
Speaker 2: Say you can go virtually?
Speaker 3: I think you can.
Speaker 2: I'm there with you. Great, let's do it.
Speaker 1: So this is the thing is that so the friends
Speaker 1: who are And that led me to think that whether
Speaker 1: or not her friends really are, whether Chelsea really is
Speaker 1: when you're dating and concerned very that's her friendship for sure.
Speaker 1: Is whether your friends are concerned when you're dating in midlife,
Speaker 1: You've probably had those friends for longer than you have
Speaker 1: obviously known.
Speaker 3: This guy, and will ever know this guy?
Speaker 1: Right, she's fifty odd, she's been hanging around with Courtney
Speaker 1: Cox and whoever since she was twenty of and this
Speaker 1: guy even if they're together forever, like you know, and
Speaker 1: I wonder, will your friends ever butt out of your life?
Speaker 6: By the way, I think Courtney is fine with it,
Speaker 6: Like that's the vibe I'm getting Courtney is I think
Speaker 6: it's Chelsea and Jason who'll.
Speaker 4: Wor because their holiday with Jason and Jason's wife.
Speaker 3: I think he goes, he goes to the Sunday night model.
Speaker 5: I mean, the thing about gender.
Speaker 6: I think that's such a good point, Holly, that like
Speaker 6: your friends are always sort of innately skeptical of these
Speaker 6: Johnny Cume Lately boyfriends. The thing is that Jen Aniston
Speaker 6: is a famous friend.
Speaker 5: By that, I mean.
Speaker 6: Not just that she was on the TV show. She
Speaker 6: is famously good at being a friend and keeping friends
Speaker 6: and her Sunday night dinners where Jimmy Kimmel comes and
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 3: All that group.
Speaker 1: That's I was upset to see she wasn't at Taylor's
Speaker 1: wedding because that could have those circles could have overlapped,
Speaker 1: but they didn't. But if I was suddenly single, Mayor,
Speaker 1: would you ship me with the man in finance or
Speaker 1: the woo Woo guru, the woo Woo guru.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, given that you given your algorithm, I
Speaker 6: think the choice is clear.
Speaker 4: I'd ship you with that guy with the long beard
Speaker 4: who's on the gardening show, and maybe, say Costa.
Speaker 2: I think you guys would be stay.
Speaker 6: I have a serious story here, which is that when
Speaker 6: I got together with my husband, I experienced this exact
Speaker 6: thing because we met in my early thirties. By that
Speaker 6: point I had had friends, very close friends for decades,
Speaker 6: and a lot of them, when they didn't know him,
Speaker 6: were a bit skeptical because they because it was a
Speaker 6: fairly accelerated romance.
Speaker 1: That's what the other thing people are worried about with
Speaker 1: Jim and Jen. They think that she wants to.
Speaker 5: Marry him now eventually.
Speaker 6: I guess it was probably easier for him to win
Speaker 6: people over, because I think the woo of this is
Speaker 6: adding an extra level.
Speaker 2: Of good for your tribe to be skeptical of an interloper.
Speaker 2: I think that's good. I think that's protector.
Speaker 6: Show protectiveness and care, and that's ultimately how I read it.
Speaker 6: But at the time it was a little bit sort
Speaker 6: of annoying to me because I sort of wanted them
Speaker 6: to just trust me, and it seemed like they weren't
Speaker 6: trusting me to make the right decision. But in retrospect,
Speaker 6: I've come to understand that it was protectiveness.
Speaker 1: Well as Jen's extended tribe. I think it's up to
Speaker 1: us to go to the meditation session and make our
Speaker 1: decisions about Jim after that.
Speaker 2: Don't you think I'm there for it?
Speaker 4: Great out louders on Wednesday, and it's still July, apparently.
Speaker 2: Still winter.
Speaker 6: It's still I'm never going to get over the soft
Speaker 6: launched him in October and then hard launched him in November.
Speaker 2: I think you'll find it was September.
Speaker 6: Look, I don't know how many days there are in
Speaker 6: the months, but no which month she hard launched.
Speaker 1: That accurate about my head space. I'm sorry out louders,
Speaker 1: I am who I am?
Speaker 3: What can I say? We will be back in your ears.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here with us as always. We're
Speaker 1: going to be back in your ears tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Love you bye.
Speaker 5: Do you think they're olive oil? There was a bit
Speaker 5: of skepticism when she got together with Popeye.
Speaker 2: I was like OLIVI.
Speaker 5: Was spinach.
Speaker 2: I think he's on Roys.
Speaker 5: I'm not getting over the Royds.
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