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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast. The Quickie Bumble just laid off thirty percent

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Speaker 2: of its staff after losing three hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 3: So does this signal the death of the dating app?

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Speaker 1: Plus?

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but my social feeds have

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Speaker 2: been flooded with videos about cortisole levels.

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Speaker 3: There's currently this obsession with our.

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Speaker 2: Levels being too high in changing our faces, and there's

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Speaker 2: this apparent cure we should all be drinking.

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Speaker 3: But is it all just a bit of TikTok pseudoscience?

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Speaker 2: Before we get there, here's Clam Murphy with the latest

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Speaker 2: from the Quickie Newsroom for Monday, June thirty.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. Jurors in Mushroom Cook Aaron Patterson's triple murder

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Speaker 1: trial will soon begin their deliberations. After more than four

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Speaker 1: days of judges directions, Victorian Supreme Court Justice Christopher beer

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Speaker 1: jury today. The fourteen jurors will then be reduced down

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Speaker 1: Patterson is guilty or not guilty of three counts of

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Speaker 1: murder and one of attempted murder. Patterson denies intentionally poisoning

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Speaker 1: her former in laws, Don and Gale Patterson, Gail's sister Heather,

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Speaker 1: and Heather's husband Ian Wilkinson with meals laced with death

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Speaker 1: cap mushrooms. Don, Gale, and Heather all died after consuming

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Speaker 1: the beef Wellington lunch on July twenty nine, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: while Ian survived. During his four days of directions, known

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Speaker 1: as a charge, Justice Bill outlined the evidence in the

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Speaker 1: case and the arguments from both sides. On Friday, he

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Speaker 1: turned to Patterson's alleged incriminating conduct and cautioned jurors on

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Speaker 1: how they should consider her admitted lies. They include claims

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Speaker 1: and was diagnosed with cancer. Justice Bielle noted jurors could

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Speaker 1: use those lies to assess Patterson's credibility, but they did

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Speaker 1: not mean she was guilty of murder, telling the jury

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Speaker 1: they should instead consider all of the evidence in the

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Speaker 1: prosecution case before they reach their verdicts. As Justice Bill

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Speaker 1: excused the jury for the week on Friday afternoon. He

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Speaker 1: the case to the jury room, advising them not to

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Speaker 1: to have a media blackout. He told them they've been

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Speaker 1: doing a great job and to keep going. Once the

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Speaker 1: deliberations begin, the twelve jurors will be sequestered, so they'll

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Speaker 1: on all charges. A controversial Glastonbury lineup has led to

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Speaker 1: UK Police considering investigating the on stage conduct of one act.

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Speaker 1: During Bob Villan show on Saturday, the duo chanted death

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Speaker 1: Glastonbury organizers say they're appalled by the chant and that

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Speaker 1: incitement to violence. UK Police say they are considering whether

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Speaker 1: video everdents will be assessed by officers to determine whether

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Speaker 1: any criminal offenses may have been committed. The Bob Villain

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Speaker 1: show happened just before the controversial Irish group Kneecap took

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Speaker 1: Kiirs stamer Liam Ogohanni, the group's frontman, also accused Israel

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Speaker 1: of war crimes. O'hanne is also currently facing a charge

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Speaker 1: Lebanese militant group Hesbila at one of their concerts. He's

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Speaker 1: denied the charge. US President Donald Trump says he has

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Speaker 1: referring to China's president Jiji Ping. Being able to find

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Speaker 1: an investor from a country not deemed a national adversary

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Speaker 1: by January twenty, the day Trump took office again, when

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Speaker 1: September seventeen. Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez have left Venice

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Speaker 1: after their three day wedding celebrations. The couple were spotted

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Speaker 2: Next a dating app still as popular as we remember.

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Speaker 2: Swipe left, swipe right, Mega Like that's how it works, right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: It has been a very long time since my brief,

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Speaker 2: week long stint on a dating app, but maybe you

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Speaker 2: two have checked out of platforms like Bumble or Hinge

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Speaker 2: or the classic Tinder. Bumble, once thought to be the

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Speaker 3: Off thirty percent of its workforce.

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Speaker 2: That's about two hundred and forty jobs gone. The app

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Speaker 2: peaked at fifty eight million uses in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: and its stock has lost more than ninety percent of

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Speaker 3: My life's work was to help people get closer to love.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just Bumble. Across the board, dating apps

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Speaker 2: are struggling to keep people swiping gen Z and millennials

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Speaker 2: are leading the exodus, calling the apps a wasteland and

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Speaker 2: complaining about endless ghosting and superficial matches. Now, Hinge and

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Speaker 2: Tinder are still popular, Tinder with sixty million monthly users

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Speaker 2: So what's changed for one gen Z is craving more

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Speaker 2: authentic in person connections. I asked my colleagues about their

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Speaker 4: You match, and then you took for probably far too long,

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Speaker 3: I typically like to text.

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Speaker 5: Them and go back and forth with that person a

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Speaker 6: In my experience, I think you kind of match with

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Speaker 6: I think if the longer the convo goes on, for

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Speaker 7: I feel like people get stuck in this rotation of

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Speaker 7: and I want to avoid that and go on fun dates.

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Speaker 8: You match, you chat, and then at fizzles, they don't reply,

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Speaker 8: they drop off, someone gets bored. And that's why I'm

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Speaker 8: not using them at the moment. It's just a vapid

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Speaker 2: They also told me they're looking to take the conversation

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Speaker 2: digital chats, they're looking for face to face experiences. Think

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Speaker 2: group activities, micro communities, and internet based dating where you

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Speaker 3: Apps like Breeze.

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Speaker 2: And Field are popping up to meet this demand, focusing

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Speaker 2: currently available in Australia. When ossies do use dating apps,

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Speaker 2: what they want is changing too. According to a recent study,

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Speaker 2: thirty percent of Australians have used a dating app, but

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Speaker 2: only a third of gen Z say they have compared

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Speaker 2: to more than half of millennials. Tinder is still the

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Speaker 2: good time, not a serious time. Bumble and Hinge attract

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Speaker 2: for a life partner than ever before. This was confirmed

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Speaker 5: I actually took myself off the apps because I found

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Speaker 5: it was causing more stress than it was fun. When

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Speaker 4: I just got out of a really long relationship, and

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Speaker 4: I felt like, after spending my twenties mostly with one person,

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Speaker 7: I guess I'm using dating apps to have fun and

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Speaker 7: see what's out there, and if something more serious comes

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Speaker 8: It's like people aren't real anymore. It's like you're not

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Speaker 8: there's not a person on the other end of the chat,

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Speaker 8: and so it's you're disposable, and it just makes people

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Speaker 8: And so that's why I'm not really using them.

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Speaker 6: Think I'm just on there because I'm single, and that's

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Speaker 6: The in person dating scene is amazing, So it's just

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Speaker 6: kind of fun to see who else's kind of out there.

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Speaker 6: It's a bit of a confidence first, but I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: So is this the death of the dating app? Well,

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Speaker 2: not quite, but it's definitely a cultural shift. Abso trying

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Speaker 2: to adapt to Bumble says it'll invest more in AI

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Speaker 2: and new features, while Tinder is leaning into real life

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Speaker 2: events and collaborations. So while the days of endless swiping

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Speaker 3: Might not be going away just yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely definitely slowing down. If you've spent any time

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Speaker 2: on TikTok lately, you've probably seen the word cortisol everywhere.

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Speaker 9: That's the cortisol effect. You've probably heard of cortisol before,

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Speaker 9: but stay with me. This is important.

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Speaker 4: I think I had the worst case of cortisol feace ever.

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Speaker 7: At Curtistant baling can happen when we are under chronic

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Speaker 7: extrass and a fat point nervous system is switched on.

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Speaker 9: Hearing an annoying ringing in your ears, that's high cortisol and.

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Speaker 5: I look and feel like a completely different bitch.

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Speaker 7: What happens is our bodies starts to store in different

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Speaker 7: areas like our belly or create inflammation.

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Speaker 9: Is your hair thinning unexpectedly? Like mind did? That's high cortisol.

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Speaker 3: Too, But what the hell is it?

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Speaker 2: As always, I hit up well co host doctor Mariam

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Speaker 2: to explain what cortisol actually is.

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Speaker 10: Cortisol is a hormone produced by the adrenal glands, which

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Speaker 3: So it's basically your body's built in alarm system.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing. Well, cortisol is essential for survival.

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Speaker 3: But what may spikes and cortisole levels.

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Speaker 10: Chronic stress, so situations in which your your body is

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Speaker 2: High cortisol has been linked to weight gain, especially around

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Speaker 2: Wellness influencers are pushing everything from cortisol cocktails to lavender,

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Speaker 11: Corddock cocktail that I drink every single morning. I was

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Speaker 2: The reality is your body is pretty good at regulating

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Speaker 10: So instead of obsessing over detox your cortisol, let's actually

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Speaker 10: focus on stress triggers. So there's no magical cortisol detox diet,

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Speaker 2: So next time you see a viral hack for fixing

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Speaker 3: The TLDR is that stress.

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Speaker 2: Is normal, cortisol is necessary, and sometimes the best thing

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Speaker 2: give it your best.

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