1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 3: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,704 Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,744 --> 00:00:29,624 Speaker 3: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 6 00:00:29,624 --> 00:00:32,624 Speaker 3: Brodnick and I'm Cassemmie Luci and coming up on the 7 00:00:32,664 --> 00:00:35,544 Speaker 3: show today, we've had quite a development in the Jojo 8 00:00:35,664 --> 00:00:38,944 Speaker 3: Siwa Chris Hughes situation. I thought that was going to 9 00:00:38,944 --> 00:00:40,704 Speaker 3: be laying low for a while, but she's given a 10 00:00:40,744 --> 00:00:43,184 Speaker 3: new tell All interview off the back of the tell 11 00:00:43,224 --> 00:00:45,744 Speaker 3: All interview that her former partner kath Ebbs gave, So 12 00:00:45,744 --> 00:00:46,904 Speaker 3: we're going to dive into all that. 13 00:00:47,464 --> 00:00:52,144 Speaker 2: Yes, and we've also got some really exciting news from Netflix. 14 00:00:52,224 --> 00:00:53,984 Speaker 2: They did their upfronts Now, if you don't know what 15 00:00:53,984 --> 00:00:56,984 Speaker 2: an upfront is, it's basically when a network or a 16 00:00:57,024 --> 00:01:00,264 Speaker 2: show they basically tell you all of their new episodes, shows, 17 00:01:00,784 --> 00:01:05,264 Speaker 2: exciting premieres. But there's been like some a few disappointments, 18 00:01:05,384 --> 00:01:08,744 Speaker 2: a few sort of questions about it. Do you want 19 00:01:08,744 --> 00:01:09,984 Speaker 2: to dive into that, fus. 20 00:01:09,984 --> 00:01:12,304 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, because I did spend a lot of my 21 00:01:12,384 --> 00:01:15,624 Speaker 3: weekend watching this unravel so it's called to Dumb, which 22 00:01:15,664 --> 00:01:18,664 Speaker 3: is Netflix's big upfronts and I have yet to score 23 00:01:18,664 --> 00:01:20,264 Speaker 3: an invite to it, but I would one hundred percent 24 00:01:20,344 --> 00:01:22,824 Speaker 3: fly myself to the US to see it because it's 25 00:01:22,944 --> 00:01:25,544 Speaker 3: all of their big announcements. They have all the talent there, 26 00:01:25,624 --> 00:01:28,584 Speaker 3: all these activations, and I was watching it all weekend, 27 00:01:28,664 --> 00:01:30,744 Speaker 3: and we had like the team at Maamea on standby 28 00:01:30,824 --> 00:01:32,984 Speaker 3: because we thought they were going to drop all of 29 00:01:33,024 --> 00:01:35,304 Speaker 3: the trailers for their big upcoming shows all of the 30 00:01:35,344 --> 00:01:37,464 Speaker 3: release dates. We were watching it and there were some 31 00:01:37,624 --> 00:01:41,304 Speaker 3: interesting things, but overall we were waiting for more information 32 00:01:41,344 --> 00:01:44,544 Speaker 3: on Bridgeton that didn't come through. We were waiting for 33 00:01:44,664 --> 00:01:47,184 Speaker 3: like a trailer for Nobody Wants This Season two, even 34 00:01:47,224 --> 00:01:49,784 Speaker 3: though the cast was there doing some events. We did 35 00:01:49,824 --> 00:01:52,344 Speaker 3: find out later on that Nobody Wants This Season two 36 00:01:52,424 --> 00:01:55,264 Speaker 3: is coming October twenty three, so mark that new calendars. 37 00:01:55,704 --> 00:01:59,104 Speaker 3: I also potentially yeah, me too. I was kind of 38 00:01:59,104 --> 00:02:00,864 Speaker 3: on the fence of whether it needed a season two, 39 00:02:00,904 --> 00:02:02,744 Speaker 3: but now I've seen like a few of the behind 40 00:02:02,784 --> 00:02:05,984 Speaker 3: the scenes clips. No, I know, I know what well. 41 00:02:05,824 --> 00:02:10,104 Speaker 2: I just sorry. Even my husband loved that show. 42 00:02:10,344 --> 00:02:13,224 Speaker 3: I loved that. I even like cried during the briadly 43 00:02:13,224 --> 00:02:14,944 Speaker 3: honish review because there were so many moments in it 44 00:02:14,984 --> 00:02:16,784 Speaker 3: that I felt so poignant. But sometimes when something is 45 00:02:16,824 --> 00:02:18,664 Speaker 3: really quite perfect, I just like it to sort of 46 00:02:18,664 --> 00:02:21,464 Speaker 3: be its one story. But I'm finding that like what 47 00:02:21,464 --> 00:02:22,944 Speaker 3: I've seen from season two quite good. 48 00:02:23,064 --> 00:02:25,584 Speaker 2: Well, what is coming on October twenty third, As. 49 00:02:25,704 --> 00:02:30,464 Speaker 4: Rabbi and the Rabbi says, season two of your favorite 50 00:02:30,464 --> 00:02:31,024 Speaker 4: show in mind? 51 00:02:31,024 --> 00:02:31,664 Speaker 3: Nobody wants this. 52 00:02:33,584 --> 00:02:35,464 Speaker 2: So one of the ones that I am really excited about, 53 00:02:35,464 --> 00:02:37,824 Speaker 2: but we don't have a release date for is America's 54 00:02:37,824 --> 00:02:42,104 Speaker 2: Sweetheart Styles Cowboys Chiliaders, and this is the second season. Now. 55 00:02:42,304 --> 00:02:44,144 Speaker 2: I have been a bit of a fan of this show. 56 00:02:44,144 --> 00:02:46,384 Speaker 2: They used to do one back in the day called 57 00:02:46,464 --> 00:02:49,544 Speaker 2: Making the Team, Oh Yes, so, but this one's kind 58 00:02:49,584 --> 00:02:51,744 Speaker 2: of an upgrade from that, and it's a little bit 59 00:02:51,784 --> 00:02:54,144 Speaker 2: of a guilty pleasure show for me, even though I 60 00:02:54,184 --> 00:02:56,664 Speaker 2: don't love the way that they treat the women and 61 00:02:56,784 --> 00:02:58,984 Speaker 2: they obviously don't pay them, and there's all these other 62 00:02:59,024 --> 00:03:01,144 Speaker 2: things that go on behind the scenes of it, but 63 00:03:01,264 --> 00:03:03,064 Speaker 2: it is incredibly entertaining one. 64 00:03:03,184 --> 00:03:05,264 Speaker 3: Oh it really is. I was when it first came out, 65 00:03:05,304 --> 00:03:06,824 Speaker 3: I'm like, this show isn't for me, and then I 66 00:03:06,904 --> 00:03:09,224 Speaker 3: watched it devoured every second of it, I'm now across 67 00:03:09,264 --> 00:03:11,504 Speaker 3: the personal lives of all the girls. So then after 68 00:03:11,504 --> 00:03:14,744 Speaker 3: I watched Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders on Netflix, I thought maybe 69 00:03:14,744 --> 00:03:16,984 Speaker 3: I would try the Making the Team show, but I 70 00:03:17,064 --> 00:03:20,344 Speaker 3: just couldn't because I needed the slight frothiness, girl power 71 00:03:20,464 --> 00:03:23,464 Speaker 3: layer that they put over the Netflix show. It makes 72 00:03:23,744 --> 00:03:28,864 Speaker 3: America's X Top Model look like a safe, beautiful, inclusive space. Yeah. 73 00:03:28,944 --> 00:03:31,544 Speaker 2: See Making the Team, I mean this is like sort 74 00:03:31,544 --> 00:03:35,064 Speaker 2: of early two thousand's. It's that classic like it. They're 75 00:03:35,104 --> 00:03:37,704 Speaker 2: really nasty to those poor girls. Yeah, and there's a 76 00:03:37,704 --> 00:03:39,584 Speaker 2: lot of talk about weight, and you know, you can 77 00:03:39,624 --> 00:03:43,024 Speaker 2: see her bulging and they show like a tight shot 78 00:03:43,064 --> 00:03:46,824 Speaker 2: of this girl's stomach which is like perfectly flat. And 79 00:03:46,984 --> 00:03:49,184 Speaker 2: I remember there's one scene where she's doing one of 80 00:03:49,184 --> 00:03:51,344 Speaker 2: those high kicks and she's like, oh, I can see 81 00:03:51,344 --> 00:03:52,704 Speaker 2: her rolls and I was like. 82 00:03:52,904 --> 00:03:55,584 Speaker 3: It is So I actually can't believe that show was. 83 00:03:55,624 --> 00:03:57,184 Speaker 3: What's it on for like seven or eight seasons or 84 00:03:57,224 --> 00:04:00,104 Speaker 3: something like that. And also it's so interesting because watching 85 00:04:00,184 --> 00:04:02,904 Speaker 3: the documentary, everyone's like, we love Judy and Kelly, who 86 00:04:02,904 --> 00:04:05,144 Speaker 3: are like the coach and the choreographer, and like they're 87 00:04:05,184 --> 00:04:07,544 Speaker 3: really inspirational on there these amazing women, and I think 88 00:04:07,584 --> 00:04:10,304 Speaker 3: the Netflix show really tried to craft that. And when 89 00:04:10,384 --> 00:04:12,544 Speaker 3: you watch making the team, I'm like, sorry, you women, 90 00:04:12,664 --> 00:04:15,224 Speaker 3: un monsters, whether you're doing for the camera or not. 91 00:04:15,344 --> 00:04:17,504 Speaker 3: So we didn't get We'll go to a whole side 92 00:04:17,584 --> 00:04:19,544 Speaker 3: thing about that. Now. Yeah, we didn't get any kind 93 00:04:19,584 --> 00:04:22,104 Speaker 3: of update on that from the Netflix upfronts. And maybe 94 00:04:22,104 --> 00:04:24,504 Speaker 3: I actually thought if they'd maybe the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders 95 00:04:24,504 --> 00:04:27,144 Speaker 3: weren't doing their big tour at the moment, they're doing 96 00:04:27,184 --> 00:04:29,944 Speaker 3: like a Texas wide dance tour, maybe they would have 97 00:04:29,944 --> 00:04:31,704 Speaker 3: been there and performed. That's still coming. 98 00:04:31,784 --> 00:04:34,864 Speaker 2: We did have some exciting news about Wednesday. 99 00:04:35,584 --> 00:04:39,224 Speaker 3: Yes, so Wednesday season two. They actually showed the first 100 00:04:39,424 --> 00:04:43,104 Speaker 3: six minutes of the first episode called Here We Woe Again. 101 00:04:43,344 --> 00:04:47,504 Speaker 1: It's been an eventful summer. Does I spent my vacation 102 00:04:47,664 --> 00:04:50,784 Speaker 1: mastering my psychic ability? God of good I'll the answer 103 00:04:50,864 --> 00:04:54,424 Speaker 1: is brand Goody's Book of Spells gender Mendo. With my 104 00:04:54,464 --> 00:04:57,384 Speaker 1: ability now under control, I set my sights on an 105 00:04:57,384 --> 00:05:01,104 Speaker 1: obsession I've heard since I was six years old. This 106 00:05:01,304 --> 00:05:05,664 Speaker 1: is victim number leven. This is the Kela, the Kansas 107 00:05:05,704 --> 00:05:12,504 Speaker 1: City Scalper America's most solusive serial killer to psychically locate him. 108 00:05:12,704 --> 00:05:14,344 Speaker 1: All I needed was an object from one of his 109 00:05:14,424 --> 00:05:17,944 Speaker 1: crime scenes. The Scalper's eleventh victim dropped her prize bowling 110 00:05:17,984 --> 00:05:20,944 Speaker 1: ball when she was snatched. With the Scalper finally in 111 00:05:21,024 --> 00:05:26,304 Speaker 1: my crosshairs, I had one final harrowing obstacle to overcome. 112 00:05:26,544 --> 00:05:28,744 Speaker 3: This is like really fitting, I think for the Wednesday universe. 113 00:05:28,824 --> 00:05:30,984 Speaker 3: Jennel or Taga was there. She's kind of the queen 114 00:05:30,984 --> 00:05:33,584 Speaker 3: of Netflix at the moment because Wednesday was so successful. 115 00:05:33,744 --> 00:05:35,944 Speaker 3: But she also brought Lady Gaga out on stage and 116 00:05:35,984 --> 00:05:38,864 Speaker 3: she sung Eyebricadabra, and that was a whole kind of 117 00:05:39,024 --> 00:05:41,704 Speaker 3: big moment. So we've had our first glimpse of the 118 00:05:41,744 --> 00:05:45,744 Speaker 3: new season. The other big announcement and this might be 119 00:05:45,864 --> 00:05:48,984 Speaker 3: niche for some people, but I was so excited about this. 120 00:05:49,624 --> 00:05:52,704 Speaker 3: We had the first trailer for Happy Gilmore too, and 121 00:05:52,784 --> 00:05:54,664 Speaker 3: a release date July twenty five. 122 00:05:55,784 --> 00:06:00,744 Speaker 2: My name is Happy Gilmore. Thirty years ago I decided 123 00:06:00,784 --> 00:06:03,024 Speaker 2: to give godf a try. 124 00:06:03,584 --> 00:06:05,584 Speaker 1: But even when you're at the top of your game, 125 00:06:07,904 --> 00:06:09,384 Speaker 1: you can always shank one. 126 00:06:09,664 --> 00:06:11,144 Speaker 4: Happy Gilmor sucks. 127 00:06:14,264 --> 00:06:16,184 Speaker 3: How are you going to put Vienna through ballet school? 128 00:06:16,344 --> 00:06:18,464 Speaker 2: It's seventy five thousand dollars a year. 129 00:06:18,544 --> 00:06:19,424 Speaker 1: That's four years. 130 00:06:19,424 --> 00:06:21,144 Speaker 3: That's three hundred and thirty three grand. 131 00:06:21,264 --> 00:06:25,304 Speaker 2: That's terrible math, Johnny, it's three hundred grande. Happy Gilmore 132 00:06:25,424 --> 00:06:30,304 Speaker 2: didn't have things flowing on the first ball. Check out 133 00:06:30,304 --> 00:06:31,464 Speaker 2: the kneed tag, Grandson. 134 00:06:31,784 --> 00:06:32,864 Speaker 4: You're in my right now. 135 00:06:35,744 --> 00:06:37,344 Speaker 2: I remember the happy place I went to. 136 00:06:37,784 --> 00:06:38,304 Speaker 1: You go to. 137 00:06:38,304 --> 00:06:41,064 Speaker 3: Yours thoughts feelings on that? 138 00:06:41,104 --> 00:06:42,864 Speaker 2: Okay, So I loved Happy Gilmore. 139 00:06:42,904 --> 00:06:44,784 Speaker 3: I'm a because you're a fan of being with a soul. 140 00:06:44,904 --> 00:06:47,544 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of like, you know, the Adam Sandler, 141 00:06:47,664 --> 00:06:51,624 Speaker 2: that universe, you know, the water Boy, Happy Gilmore, Billy Madison, 142 00:06:51,744 --> 00:06:54,344 Speaker 2: like those were just like classic comedies when we were 143 00:06:54,344 --> 00:06:57,784 Speaker 2: growing up, Like those were kind of there's so many, like, 144 00:06:57,864 --> 00:07:00,944 Speaker 2: so many moments from it. But it's interesting that it 145 00:07:01,024 --> 00:07:04,224 Speaker 2: is being released in July because you know, shoot McGavin 146 00:07:04,224 --> 00:07:06,784 Speaker 2: did all of those Uber Eights commercial, yes, and he's 147 00:07:06,824 --> 00:07:10,904 Speaker 2: seen those, so it's an interesting timing thing. Actually haven't 148 00:07:10,944 --> 00:07:12,264 Speaker 2: heard anything about Happy Girl. 149 00:07:12,344 --> 00:07:14,864 Speaker 3: So Adam Sandler's back. So this is one of his biggest, 150 00:07:14,904 --> 00:07:17,504 Speaker 3: biggest movies from the nineties that kind of cemented him 151 00:07:17,824 --> 00:07:19,984 Speaker 3: as this comedy king after he came off like a 152 00:07:19,984 --> 00:07:22,464 Speaker 3: bit of Saturday Night Live and doing comedy everywhere, and 153 00:07:22,544 --> 00:07:25,544 Speaker 3: so it's him going back into the golf championships. And 154 00:07:25,544 --> 00:07:27,544 Speaker 3: also Julie Bowen, who is his love interest in the 155 00:07:27,544 --> 00:07:30,104 Speaker 3: first movie, is back. The only thing about that, although, 156 00:07:30,384 --> 00:07:32,224 Speaker 3: I think, is that it's I don't know how the 157 00:07:32,224 --> 00:07:34,344 Speaker 3: gen zs will take it. It's good. I'm gonna say 158 00:07:34,344 --> 00:07:36,504 Speaker 3: it's a very specific comedy. And my whole thing is 159 00:07:36,544 --> 00:07:38,544 Speaker 3: like I will like die on a hill for Adam Sandler. 160 00:07:38,744 --> 00:07:41,584 Speaker 3: I think like he is a person just seems so lovely. 161 00:07:41,704 --> 00:07:44,584 Speaker 3: His comedy is great. I think he Andrew Barrymore together 162 00:07:44,584 --> 00:07:46,264 Speaker 3: when they do all of their like rom coms, is 163 00:07:46,304 --> 00:07:48,584 Speaker 3: like a really special kind of magic. But I don't 164 00:07:48,584 --> 00:07:50,984 Speaker 3: know if you'd show someone Happy Girl More now, they 165 00:07:50,984 --> 00:07:52,984 Speaker 3: would find it offensive and not funny. So I don't 166 00:07:52,984 --> 00:07:54,784 Speaker 3: know how this is gonna Don't you think it's just 167 00:07:54,864 --> 00:07:56,824 Speaker 3: a very specific kind of comedy. I just find that 168 00:07:56,904 --> 00:07:58,504 Speaker 3: most I don't. 169 00:07:58,304 --> 00:08:00,904 Speaker 2: Know if it's necessarily offensive, but have to go back 170 00:08:00,904 --> 00:08:05,304 Speaker 2: and rewatch it. But I mean I think that, yeah, 171 00:08:05,344 --> 00:08:07,224 Speaker 2: it was a very specific thing. But I mean, Adam 172 00:08:07,304 --> 00:08:11,384 Speaker 2: Sandler did this massive deal with Netflix of these movies 173 00:08:11,384 --> 00:08:15,464 Speaker 2: that he has Happy Madison Productions. You know, his two 174 00:08:15,544 --> 00:08:19,784 Speaker 2: biggest films, Billy Madison and Happy Gilmore. That's where all 175 00:08:19,784 --> 00:08:22,384 Speaker 2: of these movies are coming from. So he's i mean, 176 00:08:22,384 --> 00:08:24,584 Speaker 2: done incredibly well out of it. I'm watching it just 177 00:08:24,584 --> 00:08:25,384 Speaker 2: with the nostalgia. 178 00:08:25,944 --> 00:08:27,984 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Like he's obviously not going to trump the 179 00:08:27,984 --> 00:08:29,544 Speaker 3: original movie, but I did think it was kind of 180 00:08:29,584 --> 00:08:32,144 Speaker 3: interesting that being like a big thing in the Netflix upfront. 181 00:08:32,424 --> 00:08:34,264 Speaker 3: And he's also thinking is that he always has his 182 00:08:34,304 --> 00:08:36,584 Speaker 3: wife and his two daughters in every movie he makes, 183 00:08:36,584 --> 00:08:39,704 Speaker 3: and they're also in Happy Girl More too, So that's exciting. 184 00:08:39,784 --> 00:08:41,304 Speaker 3: July what a month for new releases. 185 00:08:41,424 --> 00:08:43,504 Speaker 2: I kind of love I do really love him. I 186 00:08:43,544 --> 00:08:48,624 Speaker 2: love him so much, you know, baggy basketball shorts and like, yeah, 187 00:08:48,664 --> 00:08:51,864 Speaker 2: he's bits, He's hilarious. The other one that I actually 188 00:08:51,904 --> 00:08:54,184 Speaker 2: excited for is season three of Squid Games. 189 00:08:54,424 --> 00:08:57,024 Speaker 3: Oh yes, I loved season one. I thought that was 190 00:08:57,064 --> 00:09:01,264 Speaker 3: complete groundbreaking television, and then season two I did quite like, 191 00:09:01,344 --> 00:09:03,264 Speaker 3: but it just didn't pack the same punch for me. 192 00:09:03,344 --> 00:09:05,624 Speaker 3: So I'm wondering how the storyline's going to go to 193 00:09:05,704 --> 00:09:08,144 Speaker 3: season three, or maybe I just need to reinvest more 194 00:09:08,184 --> 00:09:08,864 Speaker 3: of my time in it. 195 00:09:09,064 --> 00:09:11,944 Speaker 2: I actually I think it was the first couple of 196 00:09:12,024 --> 00:09:16,704 Speaker 2: episodes of season two were just very slow, like before 197 00:09:16,744 --> 00:09:19,744 Speaker 2: he got into the game. He went back to the game. 198 00:09:20,624 --> 00:09:23,864 Speaker 2: But I did actually really really like it. But you 199 00:09:23,904 --> 00:09:25,704 Speaker 2: know how are were talking about it last week. I 200 00:09:25,744 --> 00:09:26,944 Speaker 2: can't watch that while I'm. 201 00:09:26,784 --> 00:09:31,544 Speaker 3: Cleaning, no, because I sit down and page. Yeah. 202 00:09:31,584 --> 00:09:34,344 Speaker 2: So that's a pay attention show unless you can speak Kareen. 203 00:09:34,824 --> 00:09:36,584 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, no, I need to be watching that. So 204 00:09:36,664 --> 00:09:38,944 Speaker 3: lots of big releases coming from Netflix. Again. We're still 205 00:09:38,944 --> 00:09:41,744 Speaker 3: waiting for some trailers and release dates. But look, when 206 00:09:41,864 --> 00:09:45,464 Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders comes out, we will hold an emergency episode. 207 00:09:45,024 --> 00:09:48,464 Speaker 2: And we are going to do a split kick competition 208 00:09:48,744 --> 00:09:53,104 Speaker 2: here in the office. Whoever can do the jump split wins. 209 00:09:53,144 --> 00:09:54,784 Speaker 3: I feel like I know who's going to win that, 210 00:09:54,824 --> 00:09:56,704 Speaker 3: but we can definitely give it a go. I would 211 00:09:56,704 --> 00:09:58,824 Speaker 3: literally break shut at every boat in my body. 212 00:09:58,904 --> 00:10:02,264 Speaker 2: I have really bad hips. I've hip displasure, so that's 213 00:10:02,304 --> 00:10:02,904 Speaker 2: not my issue. 214 00:10:03,904 --> 00:10:05,904 Speaker 3: People you know like, oh, I couldn't do the splits Now, 215 00:10:05,904 --> 00:10:09,024 Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, I could never do that. We'll kill ourselves, 216 00:10:09,064 --> 00:10:09,904 Speaker 3: but it'll be a good video. 217 00:10:10,424 --> 00:10:15,384 Speaker 2: Lari, we have an update on Jojo Siwa, who is 218 00:10:15,504 --> 00:10:19,424 Speaker 2: probably one of the most divisive celebrities that we have 219 00:10:19,864 --> 00:10:23,784 Speaker 2: at the moment. She has gone through a lot since 220 00:10:23,904 --> 00:10:29,464 Speaker 2: Dance Mum's, you know, from her bows to her big 221 00:10:30,184 --> 00:10:34,664 Speaker 2: Crazy relaunch tour that was bigger than anything had ever 222 00:10:34,704 --> 00:10:37,904 Speaker 2: been done before. David Bowie like it was this big thing, 223 00:10:37,984 --> 00:10:39,944 Speaker 2: and she got made fun of a lot on TikTok. 224 00:10:40,504 --> 00:10:43,304 Speaker 2: This is actually about her new relationship. She has now 225 00:10:43,504 --> 00:10:47,544 Speaker 2: hard launched her relationship with Chris Hughes, who she met 226 00:10:47,544 --> 00:10:51,104 Speaker 2: in the Celebrity Big Brother House. Now she did an 227 00:10:51,184 --> 00:10:55,944 Speaker 2: interview with The Guardian confirming the relationship, which we kind 228 00:10:55,944 --> 00:10:58,544 Speaker 2: of already knew because the pictures have been all over Instagram. 229 00:10:58,624 --> 00:11:01,824 Speaker 2: They've been very loved up, but this is the first 230 00:11:01,864 --> 00:11:05,544 Speaker 2: time she's actually confirmed it as a proper relationship rather 231 00:11:05,584 --> 00:11:08,504 Speaker 2: than just a friendship, which is kind of what she 232 00:11:08,664 --> 00:11:11,784 Speaker 2: was referring to it in the past. She said, it's 233 00:11:11,824 --> 00:11:15,944 Speaker 2: a beautiful connection. It's not polatonic anymore. It's been a 234 00:11:15,984 --> 00:11:19,424 Speaker 2: beautiful development. I'm absolutely head over heels for him and 235 00:11:19,464 --> 00:11:21,904 Speaker 2: he's the same way. This is the bit that I 236 00:11:21,904 --> 00:11:24,664 Speaker 2: actually found really interesting. I've always told myself I'm a lesbian, 237 00:11:24,704 --> 00:11:27,624 Speaker 2: and I think being here, I've realized, oh, I'm not 238 00:11:27,664 --> 00:11:30,464 Speaker 2: a lesbian, I'm queer, and I think that's really cool. 239 00:11:30,984 --> 00:11:33,504 Speaker 2: What I really want to point out here is I 240 00:11:33,544 --> 00:11:36,464 Speaker 2: think there is criticism of her sort of making this 241 00:11:36,544 --> 00:11:39,104 Speaker 2: big deal about being a lesbian and then going she's 242 00:11:39,144 --> 00:11:43,744 Speaker 2: also like twenty something, Like she's just turned twenty one. 243 00:11:43,944 --> 00:11:47,704 Speaker 2: She's young. She's allowed to still be figuring herself out, 244 00:11:48,224 --> 00:11:50,904 Speaker 2: and for her to sort of, you know, maybe like 245 00:11:50,944 --> 00:11:55,424 Speaker 2: women and then also like men, that's completely fine. But 246 00:11:55,464 --> 00:11:59,064 Speaker 2: I think the controversy comes around the way that her 247 00:11:59,184 --> 00:12:05,864 Speaker 2: ex partner was kind of dumped like a bag of trash. 248 00:12:05,944 --> 00:12:09,184 Speaker 2: Yeah wow, like she really it really was quite sad, 249 00:12:09,224 --> 00:12:11,024 Speaker 2: and it was all playing out. 250 00:12:11,224 --> 00:12:13,944 Speaker 3: On so public screen so publicly. 251 00:12:14,904 --> 00:12:19,544 Speaker 2: Now despite that them looking really happy and looking very 252 00:12:19,704 --> 00:12:22,824 Speaker 2: very loved up, I don't really love the way she 253 00:12:22,944 --> 00:12:26,184 Speaker 2: kind of just ditched kath EPs like it feels a 254 00:12:26,264 --> 00:12:28,504 Speaker 2: little bit hush. 255 00:12:28,624 --> 00:12:30,904 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I feel like they had to go 256 00:12:31,064 --> 00:12:33,704 Speaker 3: public at their relationship a lot quicker than they had 257 00:12:33,744 --> 00:12:36,344 Speaker 3: potentially planned, just because of all the photos that have 258 00:12:36,424 --> 00:12:39,584 Speaker 3: come out. So I feel like Australia really fell in 259 00:12:39,624 --> 00:12:42,624 Speaker 3: love with Jojo Siwa over six months ago, when obviously 260 00:12:42,624 --> 00:12:45,184 Speaker 3: people knew her from dance mums and her big TV 261 00:12:45,304 --> 00:12:48,024 Speaker 3: show and her music and she's toured Australia before. But 262 00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:50,224 Speaker 3: when she started dating Kath Ebbs and it was this 263 00:12:50,264 --> 00:12:52,424 Speaker 3: whole love story. Kath Ebbs is a really well known 264 00:12:52,784 --> 00:12:55,384 Speaker 3: podcast stone activist in Australia and they had this love 265 00:12:55,464 --> 00:12:58,304 Speaker 3: story where they were introduced by g Flip and they 266 00:12:58,304 --> 00:13:01,264 Speaker 3: did so many like social media videos together, like heats 267 00:13:01,264 --> 00:13:04,904 Speaker 3: of tiktoks and instagrams together. They were on stage together 268 00:13:04,904 --> 00:13:07,184 Speaker 3: at events like doing line dancing because like that's something 269 00:13:07,184 --> 00:13:09,304 Speaker 3: that Kats started in Australia. And it was this really 270 00:13:09,584 --> 00:13:12,584 Speaker 3: beautiful love affair between these two people that had these 271 00:13:12,624 --> 00:13:15,904 Speaker 3: two separate fandoms. And so when Jojo went into the 272 00:13:15,904 --> 00:13:18,704 Speaker 3: Big Brother House, I think people were really invested in 273 00:13:18,744 --> 00:13:22,504 Speaker 3: her journey because there was this extra lay of her romance. 274 00:13:22,944 --> 00:13:25,984 Speaker 3: And then when the Chris Hughes stuff started as interesting 275 00:13:25,984 --> 00:13:28,584 Speaker 3: because Kath was posting so much, especially because when Jojo 276 00:13:28,704 --> 00:13:30,664 Speaker 3: got into House there was that whole thing with Mickey 277 00:13:30,704 --> 00:13:33,824 Speaker 3: Rourke being like absolutely awful to her, yeah, and all 278 00:13:33,864 --> 00:13:35,824 Speaker 3: of these things, and Kath was posting a lot. And 279 00:13:35,864 --> 00:13:38,584 Speaker 3: then they stopped posting and they later onset in their 280 00:13:38,624 --> 00:13:40,904 Speaker 3: own podcast conversations with Kath where they did like a 281 00:13:40,944 --> 00:13:43,664 Speaker 3: whole big debrief on what had happened that they just 282 00:13:43,704 --> 00:13:45,344 Speaker 3: didn't know what was going on and had to sort 283 00:13:45,344 --> 00:13:49,184 Speaker 3: of take themselves out of the public situation. And then 284 00:13:49,224 --> 00:13:50,904 Speaker 3: we found out later and again a lot of this 285 00:13:50,984 --> 00:13:53,584 Speaker 3: is coming from after this whole thing blew up, Kath 286 00:13:53,624 --> 00:13:56,904 Speaker 3: did a TikTok video, they then took it down, and 287 00:13:56,944 --> 00:13:59,664 Speaker 3: then only like maybe two weeks ago on their own 288 00:13:59,704 --> 00:14:02,544 Speaker 3: podcast Conversations with Kath, they did a really in depth 289 00:14:02,584 --> 00:14:05,544 Speaker 3: interview with Claire Stevens kind of taking through their side 290 00:14:05,544 --> 00:14:09,864 Speaker 3: of the story, and they said that leading into the 291 00:14:10,184 --> 00:14:13,704 Speaker 3: u K Big Brother Celebrity finale, that Kath had been 292 00:14:13,984 --> 00:14:16,584 Speaker 3: in contact with JoJo's mother, Jesslone, who a lot of 293 00:14:16,584 --> 00:14:18,864 Speaker 3: people would know as a dance mum very kind of 294 00:14:19,064 --> 00:14:22,584 Speaker 3: embroiled in her daughter's life, and then Kath was sort 295 00:14:22,584 --> 00:14:25,384 Speaker 3: of thinking that this relationship with Chris was very much 296 00:14:25,784 --> 00:14:28,264 Speaker 3: being taken potentially out of contacts, and that's why they 297 00:14:28,264 --> 00:14:30,624 Speaker 3: flew to the UK to be there for the finale. 298 00:14:30,704 --> 00:14:34,064 Speaker 3: And then they detail what happened when they reached the UK, 299 00:14:34,624 --> 00:14:38,264 Speaker 3: how initially everything was great with Jojo, how then they 300 00:14:38,264 --> 00:14:40,544 Speaker 3: went to the after party and that's what the breakup happened. 301 00:14:41,064 --> 00:14:43,664 Speaker 3: What happened behind the scenes, like paints a very different 302 00:14:43,664 --> 00:14:45,224 Speaker 3: picture to what Jojo had said. 303 00:14:45,504 --> 00:14:47,224 Speaker 4: She got off the show and then as soon as 304 00:14:47,264 --> 00:14:50,264 Speaker 4: she was off camera, the welfare team took her straight 305 00:14:50,304 --> 00:14:51,464 Speaker 4: to the. 306 00:14:51,464 --> 00:14:52,264 Speaker 2: Room that I was in. 307 00:14:52,424 --> 00:14:54,984 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really beautiful, like we hugged, we kissed, 308 00:14:55,504 --> 00:14:58,144 Speaker 4: so that I said to her, like, what do you 309 00:14:58,144 --> 00:14:59,744 Speaker 4: want to do? She was like, I'm going to go 310 00:14:59,744 --> 00:15:01,184 Speaker 4: to the after party, but you don't need to come. 311 00:15:01,504 --> 00:15:04,104 Speaker 4: My dad was like, why don't you. You've gone there 312 00:15:04,104 --> 00:15:06,384 Speaker 4: for support, You've gone there to support her, why don't 313 00:15:06,424 --> 00:15:09,304 Speaker 4: you go? So I get there, So I went straight 314 00:15:09,344 --> 00:15:12,664 Speaker 4: towards her and grabbed her and like said like, are 315 00:15:12,704 --> 00:15:15,464 Speaker 4: you okay? And she said no, no, no, And I 316 00:15:15,504 --> 00:15:17,944 Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, like what's happened? So she 317 00:15:18,024 --> 00:15:21,184 Speaker 4: sat down. I sat down and I just said, what's 318 00:15:21,224 --> 00:15:24,464 Speaker 4: going on, baby, Like what's wrong? And she started breaking 319 00:15:24,504 --> 00:15:26,784 Speaker 4: up with me, and then she did kind of stop 320 00:15:26,904 --> 00:15:30,104 Speaker 4: and she said, just okay, come back to the hotel 321 00:15:30,144 --> 00:15:33,064 Speaker 4: with me. And I said, and she's like we'll keep talking, 322 00:15:33,144 --> 00:15:34,504 Speaker 4: like you clearly have like you know, she was kind 323 00:15:34,544 --> 00:15:36,224 Speaker 4: of like, okay, clearly there's more here. Like we went 324 00:15:36,264 --> 00:15:39,024 Speaker 4: back to the hotel, we had like a five hour conversation. 325 00:15:39,224 --> 00:15:40,624 Speaker 4: She doubled down broke up with me. 326 00:15:42,264 --> 00:15:46,104 Speaker 2: I actually feel so bad for them. Can you imagine 327 00:15:46,144 --> 00:15:49,824 Speaker 2: flying all the way across the world trying to be 328 00:15:49,864 --> 00:15:53,464 Speaker 2: supportive for your partner. This is JoJo's set of first 329 00:15:53,544 --> 00:15:58,024 Speaker 2: real relationship. I imagine Kat's probably been really supportive of 330 00:15:58,224 --> 00:16:01,544 Speaker 2: her and you know, finding herself and you know the 331 00:16:01,624 --> 00:16:04,544 Speaker 2: g flip thing, and they were going to Disney World. Like, 332 00:16:05,024 --> 00:16:08,384 Speaker 2: I really feel sorry for them because it feels like 333 00:16:08,424 --> 00:16:12,624 Speaker 2: they put a lot into this relationship hip and were 334 00:16:12,744 --> 00:16:17,624 Speaker 2: kind of shafted. But then I also understand it from 335 00:16:17,704 --> 00:16:22,144 Speaker 2: JoJo's side, because she's twenty one and she's just trying 336 00:16:22,144 --> 00:16:24,544 Speaker 2: to figure out who she is, which is very evident 337 00:16:24,784 --> 00:16:27,064 Speaker 2: with her music. Which. 338 00:16:27,704 --> 00:16:30,104 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting how it all unfolded because I think 339 00:16:30,104 --> 00:16:32,064 Speaker 3: like Jojo did a lot of press coming out of 340 00:16:32,064 --> 00:16:34,464 Speaker 3: the UK celebrity Big Brother, So she went on Nick 341 00:16:34,504 --> 00:16:36,504 Speaker 3: Viole's podcast and did that kind of big tell all, 342 00:16:36,744 --> 00:16:39,144 Speaker 3: and then Kath waited awhile and then did her side 343 00:16:39,144 --> 00:16:42,024 Speaker 3: of the story. It's interesting how those two sides come 344 00:16:42,064 --> 00:16:44,304 Speaker 3: across very differently, But I guess that's like most breakups 345 00:16:44,304 --> 00:16:47,184 Speaker 3: where everyone has their side. What I think is interesting 346 00:16:47,304 --> 00:16:50,144 Speaker 3: is like the intensity of the public response around it, 347 00:16:50,184 --> 00:16:51,664 Speaker 3: and I think that's had a lot to do with 348 00:16:51,784 --> 00:16:54,904 Speaker 3: why Jojo and Chris have put their relationship out there 349 00:16:55,224 --> 00:16:58,384 Speaker 3: in this way, because it's interesting. Here in Australia, everyone 350 00:16:58,464 --> 00:17:00,664 Speaker 3: was a bit more kind of like, oh god, that's awful, 351 00:17:00,704 --> 00:17:02,944 Speaker 3: because they were seeing it more from kath Ebbs's side 352 00:17:02,944 --> 00:17:05,224 Speaker 3: of watching your partner go to the other side of 353 00:17:05,224 --> 00:17:09,024 Speaker 3: the world and then seemingly have this very public love story, 354 00:17:09,304 --> 00:17:11,624 Speaker 3: whereas in the UK people know Chris because he was 355 00:17:11,624 --> 00:17:14,944 Speaker 3: on Love Island and he's had like really public love stories, 356 00:17:14,984 --> 00:17:16,704 Speaker 3: and then Jojo, like a lot of I don't think 357 00:17:16,744 --> 00:17:18,544 Speaker 3: it's many people in UK they did know her, but 358 00:17:18,584 --> 00:17:20,584 Speaker 3: I think also like she's been in the news so 359 00:17:20,704 --> 00:17:23,664 Speaker 3: much lately, and she's always been really public with her 360 00:17:23,784 --> 00:17:26,104 Speaker 3: past romances, like she's always been a big like harden 361 00:17:26,184 --> 00:17:28,104 Speaker 3: her sleeve, this is the person I'm in love with 362 00:17:28,184 --> 00:17:30,344 Speaker 3: kind of person. So I think a lot of people 363 00:17:30,344 --> 00:17:33,864 Speaker 3: in the UK and America were more geared towards like 364 00:17:33,984 --> 00:17:36,864 Speaker 3: being invested in their love story. And it's interesting because 365 00:17:36,864 --> 00:17:38,984 Speaker 3: when they came out of the house, Jojo and Chris 366 00:17:39,024 --> 00:17:43,224 Speaker 3: did so many joint interviews together, and they always said 367 00:17:43,424 --> 00:17:46,904 Speaker 3: it's just platonic. Yeah, it's just we're just we're like 368 00:17:46,984 --> 00:17:49,064 Speaker 3: such good friends. I mean, Jojo did say like she 369 00:17:49,104 --> 00:17:51,224 Speaker 3: was asked point blank and she would always like laugh 370 00:17:51,264 --> 00:17:52,864 Speaker 3: in all these interviews and be like, I can't believe 371 00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:54,784 Speaker 3: people are asking us this. This is so full. I 372 00:17:54,784 --> 00:17:55,624 Speaker 3: think this is like. 373 00:17:55,544 --> 00:17:59,624 Speaker 2: Some internalized homophobia from people. I don't know if this 374 00:17:59,704 --> 00:18:02,384 Speaker 2: is like a larger question, but like, is there a 375 00:18:02,464 --> 00:18:06,024 Speaker 2: thing where they find it more acceptable that JoJo's with 376 00:18:06,104 --> 00:18:08,064 Speaker 2: a man now or are we past that? 377 00:18:08,304 --> 00:18:08,704 Speaker 3: I don't know. 378 00:18:08,784 --> 00:18:11,464 Speaker 2: I think I feel like one thing under there. 379 00:18:11,824 --> 00:18:13,624 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think it's a few different layers here. 380 00:18:13,944 --> 00:18:17,024 Speaker 3: We have like a public love story breakup that people 381 00:18:17,064 --> 00:18:20,344 Speaker 3: are like very parasocial with, so they've chosen aside. And 382 00:18:20,384 --> 00:18:22,304 Speaker 3: I think some people are loving the scandal. But I 383 00:18:22,304 --> 00:18:24,304 Speaker 3: do think there's a big part of it of people 384 00:18:24,424 --> 00:18:27,544 Speaker 3: because it was a non binary person and at the time, 385 00:18:27,624 --> 00:18:31,024 Speaker 3: a self identified lesbian in a relationship together, people didn't 386 00:18:31,024 --> 00:18:33,544 Speaker 3: take that as seriously as if it had been like 387 00:18:33,624 --> 00:18:37,064 Speaker 3: a heterosexual relationship, and so when they saw her getting 388 00:18:37,064 --> 00:18:38,744 Speaker 3: with Chris, there was this thing of like Oh, it's 389 00:18:38,744 --> 00:18:41,504 Speaker 3: this beautiful fairy tale and like, of course she's in 390 00:18:41,504 --> 00:18:43,344 Speaker 3: a lesbian she just had to meet the right man. 391 00:18:43,424 --> 00:18:45,864 Speaker 3: Like that is a really disturbing thread. 392 00:18:45,744 --> 00:18:50,544 Speaker 2: And I hate that, Like, I don't love that underlying 393 00:18:51,344 --> 00:18:53,984 Speaker 2: And that's kind of something that I'm feeling a lot 394 00:18:54,024 --> 00:18:57,184 Speaker 2: of from some of the social commentary around it, which 395 00:18:57,224 --> 00:19:01,464 Speaker 2: I find more disturbing than the fact that Jojo is 396 00:19:01,504 --> 00:19:05,984 Speaker 2: perhaps queer bisexual, however she identifies that for me, is 397 00:19:06,064 --> 00:19:11,464 Speaker 2: probably a little bit more insidious, I feel. Whereas because 398 00:19:11,544 --> 00:19:15,624 Speaker 2: Chris is this, you know, handsome white man like he 399 00:19:15,744 --> 00:19:19,824 Speaker 2: was on Love Island, like he's a cute kid like that. 400 00:19:20,624 --> 00:19:23,024 Speaker 3: It's not kidies in his early thirties. That's the other doubles, 401 00:19:23,104 --> 00:19:23,504 Speaker 3: And I. 402 00:19:23,504 --> 00:19:25,824 Speaker 2: Still feel, I still feel like anyone who goes on 403 00:19:25,904 --> 00:19:27,184 Speaker 2: you Love Island as a child. 404 00:19:27,064 --> 00:19:29,304 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. No, he's in his early thirties. 405 00:19:29,304 --> 00:19:32,064 Speaker 3: And Jojo really recently turned twenty two, which is really 406 00:19:32,144 --> 00:19:36,144 Speaker 3: imperative to this story. Yeah, because with Kath and Jojo, 407 00:19:36,344 --> 00:19:38,704 Speaker 3: there was always this underlining, we're not even underlying like 408 00:19:39,144 --> 00:19:42,144 Speaker 3: comments and things that because Kath was twenty seven when 409 00:19:42,144 --> 00:19:44,344 Speaker 3: they met and Jojo was twenty one, there was this 410 00:19:44,384 --> 00:19:48,544 Speaker 3: thing of like grooming allegations almost, which Kath addressed on 411 00:19:48,584 --> 00:19:51,784 Speaker 3: their podcast and said, like, that's just not what happened here, 412 00:19:51,824 --> 00:19:55,144 Speaker 3: and that's a pretty serious word to be throwing around. 413 00:19:55,344 --> 00:19:57,744 Speaker 2: And again, I think that's a bit of like internalized 414 00:19:57,744 --> 00:20:02,184 Speaker 2: homophobia year like, oh, you're grooming this poor, young, innocent 415 00:20:02,264 --> 00:20:03,704 Speaker 2: girl into being a lesbian. 416 00:20:03,824 --> 00:20:05,744 Speaker 3: Like that's yeah, that's that. 417 00:20:05,624 --> 00:20:07,464 Speaker 2: Kind of hidden narrative. Where is he? 418 00:20:07,824 --> 00:20:10,464 Speaker 3: I'm not searing that as much with Chris, who's in 419 00:20:10,464 --> 00:20:12,784 Speaker 3: his early thirties and Jojo, who's just turned twenty two. 420 00:20:12,864 --> 00:20:15,664 Speaker 3: I think because it's a more acceptable, visible love story 421 00:20:15,704 --> 00:20:18,624 Speaker 3: of people being like this sweet man and this young girl, 422 00:20:18,664 --> 00:20:21,824 Speaker 3: Well they've fallen in love together. But what's been interesting 423 00:20:21,904 --> 00:20:24,424 Speaker 3: is the way they've had to sort of roll out 424 00:20:24,464 --> 00:20:27,984 Speaker 3: the press. Because my kind of thinking is that maybe 425 00:20:27,984 --> 00:20:29,384 Speaker 3: I was a bit naivey at the time, because maybe 426 00:20:29,464 --> 00:20:30,904 Speaker 3: at the time I was like, maybe they are just 427 00:20:30,984 --> 00:20:34,504 Speaker 3: really good friends. You just never know things things. 428 00:20:34,664 --> 00:20:36,584 Speaker 2: For an entertainment reporter, you are. 429 00:20:37,544 --> 00:20:41,184 Speaker 3: I sometimes just really believe what's happening. Well, not that 430 00:20:41,224 --> 00:20:43,784 Speaker 3: I didn't think they didn't have like love sparks flying 431 00:20:43,784 --> 00:20:45,784 Speaker 3: in the house. I saw that. I'm an adult. I 432 00:20:45,784 --> 00:20:48,664 Speaker 3: could see it. But I also think that in these showmanceers, 433 00:20:48,864 --> 00:20:50,864 Speaker 3: it burns really hot and heavy when you're locked in 434 00:20:50,904 --> 00:20:53,664 Speaker 3: a house with someone with no access to the outside world. 435 00:20:54,064 --> 00:20:56,264 Speaker 3: And I did think that maybe it wasn't a romance 436 00:20:56,304 --> 00:20:58,224 Speaker 3: that was going to sustain itself once she went back 437 00:20:58,264 --> 00:21:00,184 Speaker 3: to America and he was in the UK, Like I thought, 438 00:21:00,184 --> 00:21:03,544 Speaker 3: it was potentially well could have fizzled out, which. 439 00:21:03,384 --> 00:21:05,984 Speaker 2: Is still could very well at stop being that I mean. 440 00:21:05,904 --> 00:21:07,384 Speaker 3: But it's still going pretty so I think this is 441 00:21:07,424 --> 00:21:09,424 Speaker 3: why they had to accelerate their plans. I think their 442 00:21:09,424 --> 00:21:11,624 Speaker 3: pr plan coming out of the house was that like 443 00:21:11,744 --> 00:21:16,344 Speaker 3: especially Jojo, because she still has a very young fan base, 444 00:21:16,624 --> 00:21:18,704 Speaker 3: to the point where she and her mother Jessline put 445 00:21:18,704 --> 00:21:21,224 Speaker 3: together like a band of like young women a few 446 00:21:21,304 --> 00:21:24,144 Speaker 3: years ago because they realized that she had already aged out, 447 00:21:24,184 --> 00:21:25,744 Speaker 3: but she was going to continue to age out of 448 00:21:25,784 --> 00:21:28,344 Speaker 3: her core demo, which is really young girls. So they 449 00:21:28,344 --> 00:21:31,224 Speaker 3: tried to put together this group of like Mini Jojo 450 00:21:31,384 --> 00:21:34,264 Speaker 3: siwas and it went very badly. There's a lot of 451 00:21:34,264 --> 00:21:36,864 Speaker 3: stuff around, bullying, accusations, ra all that sort of stuff, 452 00:21:36,864 --> 00:21:38,984 Speaker 3: but she's still got a very young fan base, and 453 00:21:39,104 --> 00:21:41,904 Speaker 3: Chris Hughes is not so young, but he's very much 454 00:21:41,904 --> 00:21:44,544 Speaker 3: in the UK kind of tabloid sphere. So I think 455 00:21:44,584 --> 00:21:46,504 Speaker 3: when they came out of the house, now, looking back 456 00:21:46,544 --> 00:21:48,984 Speaker 3: on what we know, I think they immediately got together. 457 00:21:49,024 --> 00:21:51,744 Speaker 3: It was romantic straight away, but they thought they could 458 00:21:51,824 --> 00:21:54,624 Speaker 3: keep it under wraps for like six months or so 459 00:21:54,984 --> 00:21:57,864 Speaker 3: and let the dust settle and then be publicly together. 460 00:21:58,424 --> 00:22:00,384 Speaker 3: But the thing is, those kids couldn't keep their hands 461 00:22:00,384 --> 00:22:01,104 Speaker 3: off each other. 462 00:22:01,584 --> 00:22:01,744 Speaker 1: Yea. 463 00:22:01,824 --> 00:22:04,424 Speaker 3: They went on that big holiday trip to Mexico for 464 00:22:04,504 --> 00:22:07,904 Speaker 3: her twenty second birthday, and there were so many pat 465 00:22:07,904 --> 00:22:10,544 Speaker 3: pics of them kissing in the street, holding hands, them 466 00:22:10,624 --> 00:22:12,544 Speaker 3: dancing in the stud and then she posted a bunch 467 00:22:12,544 --> 00:22:15,064 Speaker 3: and they still were saying we're platonic. Every time they 468 00:22:15,064 --> 00:22:18,184 Speaker 3: did an interview. Jojo would laugh and say, we're just friends. 469 00:22:18,184 --> 00:22:20,224 Speaker 3: We're just such good friends. No one believes people can 470 00:22:20,264 --> 00:22:22,264 Speaker 3: just be friends. But then at one point she did say, 471 00:22:22,584 --> 00:22:24,144 Speaker 3: but I don't know what's going to happen in the future. 472 00:22:24,264 --> 00:22:27,464 Speaker 3: So clearly they were together and they were just letting 473 00:22:27,504 --> 00:22:28,824 Speaker 3: time bill, but they couldn't wait. 474 00:22:29,184 --> 00:22:33,744 Speaker 2: I am always very very hesitant of people who have 475 00:22:34,024 --> 00:22:39,304 Speaker 2: intense PDA, really like relationships where there is so much 476 00:22:39,424 --> 00:22:42,744 Speaker 2: like I love you so like really hot and heavy 477 00:22:43,744 --> 00:22:47,584 Speaker 2: intense relationships very quickly. And I people who are really 478 00:22:47,664 --> 00:22:51,024 Speaker 2: really PDA on Instagram, I don't trust it. 479 00:22:51,144 --> 00:22:52,744 Speaker 3: Well, isn't that the whole thing of like the more 480 00:22:52,824 --> 00:22:55,864 Speaker 3: couples post, the worse their relationship is behind the scenes. 481 00:22:55,864 --> 00:22:57,424 Speaker 3: I'm not saying for this. I think for this one, 482 00:22:57,424 --> 00:23:00,904 Speaker 3: they're just very online people. And they're also well she's 483 00:23:00,984 --> 00:23:03,904 Speaker 3: very young, he's he not so much, but they're very 484 00:23:03,904 --> 00:23:06,224 Speaker 3: online people. She's really caught up in the moment and 485 00:23:06,264 --> 00:23:08,584 Speaker 3: they just couldn't help. I think they threw the pr 486 00:23:08,664 --> 00:23:11,544 Speaker 3: plant out the window because they couldn't help not post 487 00:23:11,584 --> 00:23:13,584 Speaker 3: their photos of each other. So she's turning out. If 488 00:23:13,584 --> 00:23:16,344 Speaker 3: you've seen this clips, she's been touring the UK convenient 489 00:23:16,704 --> 00:23:19,504 Speaker 3: turning the UK doing shows and she sings Betty Davis 490 00:23:19,584 --> 00:23:23,584 Speaker 3: eyes and have you seen this? And then she's singing 491 00:23:23,624 --> 00:23:25,584 Speaker 3: and then Chris Huses seeing the back with her parents, 492 00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:28,424 Speaker 3: and instead of singing Betty Davis eyes, she sings Chris 493 00:23:28,504 --> 00:23:31,864 Speaker 3: Hughes's eyes. Yeah, but I mean it's so cute because 494 00:23:31,864 --> 00:23:34,704 Speaker 3: it's such a it's it's so cruel. Well, it's cute 495 00:23:34,704 --> 00:23:37,264 Speaker 3: without it. It's the kath Eb's factor, which makes it 496 00:23:37,344 --> 00:23:40,464 Speaker 3: not so cute, and also pim being like over ten 497 00:23:40,544 --> 00:23:43,904 Speaker 3: years older than her potentially being a bit smarmy. But 498 00:23:43,944 --> 00:23:45,824 Speaker 3: apart from that, it's really cute if you just put 499 00:23:45,824 --> 00:23:47,384 Speaker 3: your blinders on and don't look at any of the 500 00:23:47,464 --> 00:23:50,664 Speaker 3: outside moments. And I just think it's interesting that she 501 00:23:50,664 --> 00:23:53,024 Speaker 3: even did this Guardian interview. But I think there's they 502 00:23:53,064 --> 00:23:55,144 Speaker 3: also had to sort of what I'm thinking has happened. 503 00:23:55,184 --> 00:23:57,304 Speaker 3: They had to throw out the initial pr plan and 504 00:23:57,344 --> 00:23:59,384 Speaker 3: be like, Okay, we can't we can't lay low for 505 00:23:59,424 --> 00:24:01,304 Speaker 3: six months because we haven't laid low at all, and 506 00:24:01,304 --> 00:24:03,584 Speaker 3: our entire relationship is out for the world to see. 507 00:24:03,744 --> 00:24:06,664 Speaker 3: People are speculating, so we're going to have to change 508 00:24:06,704 --> 00:24:09,464 Speaker 3: tech now. But it also doesn't seem right for them 509 00:24:09,504 --> 00:24:11,744 Speaker 3: to also just put up a hosts saying yes, we're together, 510 00:24:11,824 --> 00:24:14,264 Speaker 3: even though normally Jojo was the kind of celebrity because 511 00:24:14,304 --> 00:24:16,584 Speaker 3: she lives more on the online world than in the 512 00:24:16,624 --> 00:24:19,744 Speaker 3: traditional media world, so normally it would be much more 513 00:24:19,784 --> 00:24:21,504 Speaker 3: I think on brand for her just to do a 514 00:24:21,584 --> 00:24:24,944 Speaker 3: video or Instagram post itself exactly. But I think in 515 00:24:24,984 --> 00:24:27,664 Speaker 3: this case, it's almost like if you tell a third party, 516 00:24:28,024 --> 00:24:31,064 Speaker 3: then it seems less like you're trying to profit off 517 00:24:31,064 --> 00:24:33,344 Speaker 3: in a way because also in this interview, she's talking 518 00:24:33,384 --> 00:24:36,424 Speaker 3: about the homophobia she faced from Mickey Rourke and the 519 00:24:36,464 --> 00:24:39,024 Speaker 3: public perception, all those kind of things, and when the 520 00:24:39,104 --> 00:24:42,744 Speaker 3: journalist asked her about Chris Hughes, all she's doing is 521 00:24:42,784 --> 00:24:45,464 Speaker 3: giving an honest answer of saying, like it was, we 522 00:24:45,464 --> 00:24:47,664 Speaker 3: were just friends, it's no longer like that. We're now 523 00:24:47,704 --> 00:24:50,064 Speaker 3: together and I'm so happy. She even says that, like 524 00:24:50,104 --> 00:24:52,664 Speaker 3: her cheeks are hurting every day from smiling so much. 525 00:24:52,904 --> 00:24:55,104 Speaker 3: So I just wonder if someone behind the scenes was like, 526 00:24:55,504 --> 00:24:57,664 Speaker 3: if you do it this way, it just it takes 527 00:24:57,664 --> 00:24:59,944 Speaker 3: away from you trying to promote it. And it's just 528 00:25:00,104 --> 00:25:02,704 Speaker 3: one part of a bigger interview. But then it's done 529 00:25:02,704 --> 00:25:05,144 Speaker 3: and there's no more speculation, And maybe that all that 530 00:25:05,224 --> 00:25:07,944 Speaker 3: kind of people trying to like out them and out 531 00:25:07,984 --> 00:25:10,344 Speaker 3: their relationship might settle down a little bit. 532 00:25:10,744 --> 00:25:11,984 Speaker 2: To be young and in love. 533 00:25:12,544 --> 00:25:15,624 Speaker 3: Yeah, with a whole crazy tabloid backstory of how I 534 00:25:16,544 --> 00:25:19,144 Speaker 3: feel for kat though yeah I do too. 535 00:25:19,224 --> 00:25:22,144 Speaker 2: That is my takeaway. I feel like they have been 536 00:25:22,304 --> 00:25:25,184 Speaker 2: really I would just say to everyone it's disappointing. 537 00:25:25,424 --> 00:25:28,544 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think also not even the JoJo's stuff, Like, 538 00:25:28,584 --> 00:25:31,864 Speaker 3: obviously that's awful watching your relationship be in the public eye. 539 00:25:31,944 --> 00:25:35,704 Speaker 3: But also people have been really aggressive and angry towards Kath, 540 00:25:36,344 --> 00:25:38,984 Speaker 3: like on TikTok, in comments all that sort of thing, 541 00:25:39,064 --> 00:25:41,544 Speaker 3: and just like aggressive in a way that I've never 542 00:25:41,624 --> 00:25:46,464 Speaker 3: seen with other more like heterosexual, heteronormative relationship breakups, almost 543 00:25:46,464 --> 00:25:48,384 Speaker 3: that they thought that there was some sort of nefarious 544 00:25:48,424 --> 00:25:51,664 Speaker 3: plot behind her romance, and so it is kind of 545 00:25:51,704 --> 00:25:53,424 Speaker 3: really difficult to watch for her. And I would just 546 00:25:53,424 --> 00:25:55,584 Speaker 3: say to everyone, like I would go and listen to 547 00:25:55,664 --> 00:25:58,184 Speaker 3: her conversations with Cath podcasts and get because it's a 548 00:25:58,224 --> 00:26:02,384 Speaker 3: really long conversation where they really take you through their 549 00:26:02,464 --> 00:26:06,224 Speaker 3: full experience, what they were thinking, what the social commentary 550 00:26:06,224 --> 00:26:07,744 Speaker 3: has been like. And I just think that's a really 551 00:26:07,744 --> 00:26:09,944 Speaker 3: important side of the story to see. And you won't 552 00:26:09,944 --> 00:26:11,864 Speaker 3: get the floor story by watching clips on TikTok. 553 00:26:12,024 --> 00:26:15,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's Pride month after all, so let's you know, 554 00:26:17,424 --> 00:26:17,784 Speaker 2: you know. 555 00:26:18,744 --> 00:26:20,904 Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for listening to the show today, 556 00:26:20,944 --> 00:26:23,424 Speaker 3: and don't forget to follow this spill on Instagram and 557 00:26:23,464 --> 00:26:26,184 Speaker 3: TikTok so you can see even more videos and clips 558 00:26:26,184 --> 00:26:28,264 Speaker 3: and just all the extra content that we post on there. 559 00:26:28,904 --> 00:26:31,624 Speaker 3: And this bill is produced by manesha Isswarren with sound 560 00:26:31,664 --> 00:26:34,704 Speaker 3: production by Scott Stronnik. The Mama Mea Studios are Style 561 00:26:34,744 --> 00:26:38,344 Speaker 3: with furniture from Fenton Fenton. 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