1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,104 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:20,544 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,384 --> 00:00:28,984 Speaker 2: From Mama Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop 5 00:00:29,024 --> 00:00:31,344 Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm em Vernon. 6 00:00:31,304 --> 00:00:32,464 Speaker 1: And I'm Laura Brodnick. 7 00:00:32,584 --> 00:00:37,464 Speaker 2: We are so close to Christmas. I am feeling a 8 00:00:37,464 --> 00:00:39,464 Speaker 2: bit weird. I feel like I always get a bit 9 00:00:39,504 --> 00:00:41,024 Speaker 2: weird around this time of year. 10 00:00:41,384 --> 00:00:43,784 Speaker 1: You do look a bit loopy. You look beautiful, but loopy. 11 00:00:43,864 --> 00:00:47,024 Speaker 1: So we've got two working days left of the year. 12 00:00:47,184 --> 00:00:49,424 Speaker 1: This is my last day in the Mammea office because 13 00:00:49,424 --> 00:00:52,104 Speaker 1: I'm flying to Brisbane tonight and I've got all my 14 00:00:52,144 --> 00:00:54,944 Speaker 1: suitcases behind me. Are you excited for your trip for 15 00:00:55,064 --> 00:00:57,344 Speaker 1: my one hour flight, yes, very excited. Now I'm really 16 00:00:57,344 --> 00:00:57,784 Speaker 1: excited to. 17 00:00:57,744 --> 00:00:59,544 Speaker 2: See what about the trip had Earlier. 18 00:01:01,744 --> 00:01:04,544 Speaker 1: I thought you weren't going to bring that up. The 19 00:01:04,664 --> 00:01:07,664 Speaker 1: universe humbles me. So I was coming into the office 20 00:01:07,664 --> 00:01:10,264 Speaker 1: and just so you know, I have more luggage with 21 00:01:10,544 --> 00:01:12,864 Speaker 1: me for a two week trip to Queensland. Then I 22 00:01:12,904 --> 00:01:14,864 Speaker 1: took to Europe for a month this year because I 23 00:01:14,904 --> 00:01:18,464 Speaker 1: have so many presents and things for my family. So 24 00:01:18,584 --> 00:01:19,824 Speaker 1: I've got that suitcase. 25 00:01:19,864 --> 00:01:22,024 Speaker 2: I got a young family like you have a lot of. 26 00:01:22,024 --> 00:01:23,944 Speaker 1: I've got two sisters and a brother and a mum, 27 00:01:23,984 --> 00:01:26,624 Speaker 1: and then a bunch of nephews and one new little niece, 28 00:01:26,704 --> 00:01:28,664 Speaker 1: and I have presents for all of them. That suitcase 29 00:01:28,664 --> 00:01:32,064 Speaker 1: behind me is over thirty kilos, that bag next to 30 00:01:32,104 --> 00:01:34,264 Speaker 1: me is over seven k and that little bag I'm 31 00:01:34,264 --> 00:01:36,104 Speaker 1: just gonna have to hide under a jacket next to me. 32 00:01:36,384 --> 00:01:38,304 Speaker 2: And I was like, stuff, are gonna love you? 33 00:01:38,944 --> 00:01:41,064 Speaker 1: I know I already have a guilty looking face, so 34 00:01:41,104 --> 00:01:42,384 Speaker 1: I'm not going to able to sneak it through. 35 00:01:42,544 --> 00:01:44,144 Speaker 2: And now you're all batter than Bruce. 36 00:01:44,544 --> 00:01:46,544 Speaker 1: And as I was coming in the office today, I 37 00:01:46,704 --> 00:01:49,184 Speaker 1: fell down a flight of stairs out the front and 38 00:01:49,264 --> 00:01:51,984 Speaker 1: everyone I was in front of that's the fun of 39 00:01:52,064 --> 00:01:55,424 Speaker 1: our massive twenty story office building. And I just rolled 40 00:01:55,464 --> 00:01:56,264 Speaker 1: and as I have. 41 00:01:56,304 --> 00:01:57,904 Speaker 2: A lot of apart men in this building as well. 42 00:01:57,824 --> 00:01:59,184 Speaker 1: I know, and some of them rushed over to help me, 43 00:01:59,184 --> 00:02:01,464 Speaker 1: and I was like, leave me, leave me on the 44 00:02:01,504 --> 00:02:04,184 Speaker 1: floor with my thirty kilo forty. 45 00:02:03,904 --> 00:02:05,864 Speaker 2: Five men who are working out. 46 00:02:06,184 --> 00:02:08,064 Speaker 1: I did think for a second I had broken my arm. 47 00:02:08,104 --> 00:02:09,744 Speaker 1: I don't think it is. It feels fine, but I 48 00:02:09,784 --> 00:02:11,984 Speaker 1: thought if I have done that right now. I'm just 49 00:02:12,024 --> 00:02:13,824 Speaker 1: going to keep rolling down the road. We're on a 50 00:02:13,864 --> 00:02:15,944 Speaker 1: hell roll all the way. Just roll the way home 51 00:02:16,024 --> 00:02:18,184 Speaker 1: and just not go anyway. Thanks bringing that up. 52 00:02:18,224 --> 00:02:18,624 Speaker 2: You're here. 53 00:02:18,744 --> 00:02:20,624 Speaker 1: You survived, survived. 54 00:02:20,984 --> 00:02:23,584 Speaker 2: For another two days. We can do it. We can 55 00:02:23,584 --> 00:02:25,784 Speaker 2: do before we roll into our hot pod summer content. 56 00:02:26,224 --> 00:02:29,704 Speaker 2: I am really excited for today because I feel really 57 00:02:29,744 --> 00:02:33,424 Speaker 2: bad now, but you have to edit my Paddington review today. 58 00:02:33,544 --> 00:02:34,104 Speaker 1: This is okay. 59 00:02:34,104 --> 00:02:37,104 Speaker 2: That's because like it's going to spoil it for you. 60 00:02:37,304 --> 00:02:39,424 Speaker 1: I feel okay about it. I'm slightly upset. This is 61 00:02:39,464 --> 00:02:42,024 Speaker 1: the fourth time we've talked about Paddington Okay, sorry on 62 00:02:42,064 --> 00:02:44,944 Speaker 1: this podcast, and I enjoyed. The first work message I 63 00:02:44,984 --> 00:02:46,984 Speaker 1: saw when I opened my computer this morning was a 64 00:02:46,984 --> 00:02:49,664 Speaker 1: message from you with the feature image you made for 65 00:02:49,664 --> 00:02:52,464 Speaker 1: your Paddington review. And the unsettling thing is that if 66 00:02:52,504 --> 00:02:54,984 Speaker 1: you've put a photo of you, like a sexy headshot 67 00:02:55,144 --> 00:02:57,864 Speaker 1: of you, next to a photo of Paddington Bear, and 68 00:02:57,904 --> 00:02:59,264 Speaker 1: you have the same expression on. 69 00:02:59,224 --> 00:03:02,384 Speaker 2: Your face, I really don't think it's gonna work. People 70 00:03:02,424 --> 00:03:04,984 Speaker 2: are going to think it's so joky. It is a 71 00:03:05,064 --> 00:03:08,184 Speaker 2: kind of funny review, but it's way more since Okay, I. 72 00:03:08,144 --> 00:03:10,144 Speaker 1: Love the hype for a piece that's not published yet. 73 00:03:12,784 --> 00:03:14,584 Speaker 2: It will be though when Pattiston comes out. 74 00:03:14,504 --> 00:03:17,264 Speaker 1: General we'll obviously post it to the Spill because this 75 00:03:17,384 --> 00:03:21,144 Speaker 1: apparently we're just a we're Paddington Bear's publicity machine here 76 00:03:21,144 --> 00:03:21,664 Speaker 1: in Australia. 77 00:03:21,744 --> 00:03:23,464 Speaker 2: They we'll be anyway. 78 00:03:23,504 --> 00:03:23,944 Speaker 1: Anyway. 79 00:03:24,464 --> 00:03:28,864 Speaker 2: On the show today, we are talking about Kylie and Timothy. 80 00:03:29,104 --> 00:03:32,944 Speaker 2: They were spotted again together. We're also talking about Timothy's 81 00:03:33,064 --> 00:03:36,064 Speaker 2: new look, which I'm not entirely sure I'm on board with. 82 00:03:36,624 --> 00:03:39,504 Speaker 2: We are also going to be discussing actors on actors. 83 00:03:39,504 --> 00:03:42,064 Speaker 2: This one is with Mikey Madison, who we've talked about recently. 84 00:03:42,144 --> 00:03:46,264 Speaker 2: With Pamela Anderson, they discuss intimacy coordinators and they had 85 00:03:46,264 --> 00:03:48,304 Speaker 2: a bit of back and forth on that bit of 86 00:03:48,344 --> 00:03:50,224 Speaker 2: a scandal, a bit of a scandal. 87 00:03:50,304 --> 00:03:52,944 Speaker 1: But first, but first, as if this intro hasn't already 88 00:03:52,944 --> 00:03:56,024 Speaker 1: gone on long enough, a little PSA. So this week 89 00:03:56,144 --> 00:03:59,664 Speaker 1: you're going to start seeing even more about Nicole Kidman's 90 00:03:59,704 --> 00:04:03,424 Speaker 1: sexy new drama Baby Girl. There's more press happening, there's 91 00:04:03,464 --> 00:04:05,904 Speaker 1: more premieres happening. If you follow anyone who lives in 92 00:04:05,904 --> 00:04:08,864 Speaker 1: any other country but Australia, you're going to see pictures 93 00:04:08,904 --> 00:04:10,664 Speaker 1: of them going to see it because it's out in 94 00:04:10,744 --> 00:04:13,544 Speaker 1: Christmas Day. We're not getting it here in Australia because 95 00:04:13,544 --> 00:04:16,744 Speaker 1: apparently Australia and Nania at the same place and equal distance, 96 00:04:17,144 --> 00:04:20,024 Speaker 1: we're not getting it here in Australia until January thirty. 97 00:04:20,184 --> 00:04:22,064 Speaker 2: This is so annoying. I mean, it's probably more annoying 98 00:04:22,104 --> 00:04:24,024 Speaker 2: for you guys, but it's annoying for me because I 99 00:04:24,064 --> 00:04:25,064 Speaker 2: want to talk about it now. 100 00:04:25,144 --> 00:04:26,624 Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing. It always feels like we 101 00:04:26,664 --> 00:04:28,904 Speaker 1: see movies very early and then we have to wait, 102 00:04:28,944 --> 00:04:30,344 Speaker 1: and then the rest of the world gets them, and 103 00:04:30,384 --> 00:04:32,104 Speaker 1: then a month later Australia time. 104 00:04:32,184 --> 00:04:34,024 Speaker 2: We get them. I'm like, I'm over it. I thought 105 00:04:34,064 --> 00:04:34,664 Speaker 2: this ages ago. 106 00:04:34,664 --> 00:04:36,864 Speaker 1: It looks like rather loose. But the headline there is 107 00:04:36,904 --> 00:04:40,344 Speaker 1: that in this very crazy busy week, in amongst packing 108 00:04:40,424 --> 00:04:42,584 Speaker 1: and getting ready for holidays and doing extra work and 109 00:04:42,624 --> 00:04:45,024 Speaker 1: recording the podcast, we saw baby girl. 110 00:04:45,304 --> 00:04:47,824 Speaker 2: We saw a baby girl, and I'm really glad we did. 111 00:04:48,464 --> 00:04:51,664 Speaker 3: Hey, you need to have a conversation. 112 00:04:52,984 --> 00:04:53,864 Speaker 2: You're very young. 113 00:04:54,024 --> 00:04:54,904 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear you. 114 00:04:56,264 --> 00:04:59,064 Speaker 2: I think I have power over you because I could 115 00:04:59,104 --> 00:05:02,464 Speaker 2: make one call on you everything. Does that turn you on? 116 00:05:02,544 --> 00:05:03,024 Speaker 2: When to share. 117 00:05:05,304 --> 00:05:07,504 Speaker 1: Is now we get time to introduce the interness. 118 00:05:07,624 --> 00:05:10,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, I chose you as momental. 119 00:05:10,464 --> 00:05:12,024 Speaker 3: I'm not a part of that program. 120 00:05:12,104 --> 00:05:14,824 Speaker 2: Oh no you are. You're on the list. I got 121 00:05:14,824 --> 00:05:16,264 Speaker 2: an email and I clicked on your name. 122 00:05:18,664 --> 00:05:20,184 Speaker 3: Happy fantasies. 123 00:05:20,464 --> 00:05:23,624 Speaker 1: What do you mean talked about giving and taking hour? 124 00:05:25,064 --> 00:05:27,104 Speaker 3: How did you two go to a library? Look that up? 125 00:05:27,144 --> 00:05:28,024 Speaker 2: This is what I'm talking about. 126 00:05:28,224 --> 00:05:31,344 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm so no, no, no, no, it was 127 00:05:31,384 --> 00:05:32,824 Speaker 1: a fun time. I just want to set the scene. 128 00:05:32,824 --> 00:05:34,864 Speaker 1: So it is a very sexy movie. There's some sort 129 00:05:34,864 --> 00:05:36,984 Speaker 1: of confronting scenes. Well, we're obviously going to do a 130 00:05:37,024 --> 00:05:39,224 Speaker 1: lot more about this when the movie comes out, but 131 00:05:39,464 --> 00:05:41,344 Speaker 1: I will just say that a funny thing about this 132 00:05:41,424 --> 00:05:43,624 Speaker 1: is that because it's a smaller movie release and it 133 00:05:43,664 --> 00:05:46,504 Speaker 1: was a very early preview screening for some select people. 134 00:05:46,904 --> 00:05:48,944 Speaker 1: I think I've mean to every cinema in Sydney through 135 00:05:48,984 --> 00:05:52,064 Speaker 1: this job, and we were in the smallest cinema you 136 00:05:52,104 --> 00:05:54,064 Speaker 1: can get. We're in the smallest kind of building, but 137 00:05:54,144 --> 00:05:56,464 Speaker 1: in the smallest room they had, I want to say, 138 00:05:56,464 --> 00:05:59,544 Speaker 1: maybe fifteen to twenty seats, not even that, maybe fifteen. 139 00:05:59,664 --> 00:06:01,624 Speaker 2: Our producer Kim was like, I feel like I'm in 140 00:06:01,624 --> 00:06:04,624 Speaker 2: in the murder of like ride. Yeah, and I'm not 141 00:06:04,664 --> 00:06:07,704 Speaker 2: even exaggerating when I say this, but half the people 142 00:06:07,824 --> 00:06:09,784 Speaker 2: at that premiere were from Mamma Man. 143 00:06:09,904 --> 00:06:11,304 Speaker 1: And that was the next thing I was going to say, 144 00:06:11,344 --> 00:06:13,264 Speaker 1: is that so many people from office want to go. 145 00:06:13,424 --> 00:06:14,864 Speaker 1: So then I got invited, and then I was like, 146 00:06:14,864 --> 00:06:17,144 Speaker 1: can I please bring my friend Emily because we worked 147 00:06:17,144 --> 00:06:17,704 Speaker 1: on friend. 148 00:06:17,504 --> 00:06:18,504 Speaker 2: Emily, she really want to see it. 149 00:06:18,504 --> 00:06:20,424 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's also my job, but also her job. 150 00:06:20,504 --> 00:06:22,824 Speaker 1: And then producer Kim came. Produced Kim got another ticket. 151 00:06:22,944 --> 00:06:25,024 Speaker 1: Than that, all the hosts from Amia out Loud came 152 00:06:25,104 --> 00:06:29,024 Speaker 1: stepping on our her Yeah, four incoming, So you see that, 153 00:06:29,544 --> 00:06:33,384 Speaker 1: don't listen, Yeah, listen to a few of our entertainment writers. 154 00:06:33,464 --> 00:06:36,304 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was fifteen seats and two rows full 155 00:06:36,304 --> 00:06:38,464 Speaker 1: of Muma Mia stuff. And this is exactly the kind 156 00:06:38,464 --> 00:06:39,904 Speaker 1: of movie. And this is not even a joke. This 157 00:06:39,984 --> 00:06:41,544 Speaker 1: is exactly the kind of movie that you want to 158 00:06:41,544 --> 00:06:44,024 Speaker 1: see with your colleagues, if they're those kind of colleagues. 159 00:06:44,024 --> 00:06:46,184 Speaker 1: Because we were having a great time. I had like 160 00:06:46,224 --> 00:06:48,704 Speaker 1: three glasses of wine. It was a fun time. 161 00:06:48,864 --> 00:06:52,024 Speaker 2: We can stop yapping about it after. It was a 162 00:06:52,104 --> 00:06:55,984 Speaker 2: very divisive movie. It's a very very sexy movie. 163 00:06:56,304 --> 00:06:58,464 Speaker 1: As we said before, Nicole kimmeent on the press trail 164 00:06:58,544 --> 00:07:01,184 Speaker 1: for this was very clever because she kept throwing out 165 00:07:01,224 --> 00:07:04,304 Speaker 1: these viral little comments about the movie. So in it, 166 00:07:04,384 --> 00:07:07,344 Speaker 1: she plays this very kind of powerful business woman and 167 00:07:07,464 --> 00:07:10,144 Speaker 1: Harris Dickinson is a young intern at her firm, and 168 00:07:10,504 --> 00:07:12,864 Speaker 1: they start like a sexy relationship with a bit of 169 00:07:12,904 --> 00:07:16,064 Speaker 1: a twist is that she's like very submissive to him, 170 00:07:16,144 --> 00:07:18,784 Speaker 1: and it's this whole situation and Tony Vnderis is always 171 00:07:18,824 --> 00:07:22,344 Speaker 1: also there, and she just kept giving these viral interviews. 172 00:07:22,344 --> 00:07:24,184 Speaker 1: So we've been talking about this movie for so long, 173 00:07:24,544 --> 00:07:26,144 Speaker 1: the experience of seeing it is a bit different. 174 00:07:26,664 --> 00:07:31,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, I it was quite intimidating. I think watching like 175 00:07:31,824 --> 00:07:36,344 Speaker 2: such visceral scenes of orgasms, if I can say that word, 176 00:07:36,984 --> 00:07:40,824 Speaker 2: was in like watching it in a with a group 177 00:07:40,864 --> 00:07:43,824 Speaker 2: of people. Nicole Kidman, I think she publicly said that 178 00:07:43,864 --> 00:07:45,744 Speaker 2: she's tired of orgasming. 179 00:07:45,624 --> 00:07:48,344 Speaker 1: And we were in the movie, and now I believe her. 180 00:07:48,384 --> 00:07:51,464 Speaker 1: I understand exactly what she was saying, that woman's exhausted. 181 00:07:51,544 --> 00:07:53,984 Speaker 2: Before when she said it, I was like eye roll, 182 00:07:54,144 --> 00:07:56,624 Speaker 2: And now I'm like, Edith, you need a break. 183 00:07:56,944 --> 00:07:58,984 Speaker 1: So as you see all the Baby Girl press around 184 00:07:58,984 --> 00:08:00,904 Speaker 1: the world. Don't fear. It is coming out in a 185 00:08:00,904 --> 00:08:03,304 Speaker 1: straight in January, and we will be talking about it really. 186 00:08:03,144 --> 00:08:08,544 Speaker 2: Honest review our favorite couple. They're not my favorite couple. 187 00:08:08,544 --> 00:08:09,184 Speaker 2: I don't know. I saw it. 188 00:08:09,224 --> 00:08:11,064 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, that's a really statement that I 189 00:08:11,064 --> 00:08:11,624 Speaker 1: don't support. 190 00:08:11,624 --> 00:08:14,984 Speaker 2: I'm really indifferent to eat these people, which like is 191 00:08:15,064 --> 00:08:16,944 Speaker 2: following on to ask me anything that's like, do you 192 00:08:16,984 --> 00:08:19,264 Speaker 2: genuinely care? I'm like, not really, but I think this 193 00:08:19,344 --> 00:08:22,824 Speaker 2: is really important to talk about. Kylie Jenna and Timothy 194 00:08:22,984 --> 00:08:26,624 Speaker 2: challow May were spotted together at a Los Angeles premiere 195 00:08:26,664 --> 00:08:30,904 Speaker 2: for Timothy's movie A Complete Unknown, where he's starring as 196 00:08:31,024 --> 00:08:33,744 Speaker 2: Bob Dylan. Have you seen the video of. 197 00:08:33,704 --> 00:08:36,104 Speaker 1: This, the video of him at the premiere? Y. Yeah. 198 00:08:36,624 --> 00:08:39,704 Speaker 2: They're like, it's the funniest thing I've ever seen. And 199 00:08:39,784 --> 00:08:42,424 Speaker 2: I'm not alone in this because it was going violent Twitter. 200 00:08:42,984 --> 00:08:46,464 Speaker 2: Where they're just at a premiere. They're looking very couply. 201 00:08:46,624 --> 00:08:49,224 Speaker 2: They rarely come out in public like this, Like it's 202 00:08:49,304 --> 00:08:52,464 Speaker 2: usually a paparazzi shot of them exiting a plane, or 203 00:08:52,464 --> 00:08:55,144 Speaker 2: we see them at the US Open or we see 204 00:08:55,224 --> 00:08:58,024 Speaker 2: like her at his house, which is quite gross. But 205 00:08:58,144 --> 00:08:59,824 Speaker 2: this is one where that I think they were not. 206 00:09:00,104 --> 00:09:02,624 Speaker 2: I mean, it's gross. I we' seeing paparazzi shots like 207 00:09:02,664 --> 00:09:02,984 Speaker 2: them and. 208 00:09:04,024 --> 00:09:06,784 Speaker 1: The like hanging out and having I think they are. 209 00:09:06,944 --> 00:09:09,344 Speaker 2: I think they're fine people. I'm not like hating on them. 210 00:09:09,384 --> 00:09:11,544 Speaker 2: I think they're fine. But this is the first time 211 00:09:11,584 --> 00:09:15,264 Speaker 2: where we've seen them like together in public. I think 212 00:09:15,264 --> 00:09:17,504 Speaker 2: we saw them at the Golden Globes probably a year ago, 213 00:09:18,864 --> 00:09:20,624 Speaker 2: but she didn't do the red carpet, so they were 214 00:09:20,624 --> 00:09:23,024 Speaker 2: still kind of hiding elements of their relationship. And this 215 00:09:23,064 --> 00:09:26,184 Speaker 2: is the first video where they're with people. They're holding hands, 216 00:09:26,264 --> 00:09:28,864 Speaker 2: she's sitting on his lab. They're together, they're talking to 217 00:09:28,904 --> 00:09:30,944 Speaker 2: people as if you know that when couples talk to people, 218 00:09:31,024 --> 00:09:32,064 Speaker 2: they talk to them together. 219 00:09:32,224 --> 00:09:34,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were doing that, that kind of a couple chat. 220 00:09:34,344 --> 00:09:36,384 Speaker 1: That's so hard if you're the person talking to him. 221 00:09:36,384 --> 00:09:38,784 Speaker 1: You're trying to maintain eye contact with two people and 222 00:09:38,864 --> 00:09:41,144 Speaker 1: have the same conversation with two people who are answering, 223 00:09:41,304 --> 00:09:43,144 Speaker 1: taking turns to answer. Yes. 224 00:09:43,304 --> 00:09:45,224 Speaker 2: Literally, that's exactly what they were doing. And I'll try 225 00:09:45,224 --> 00:09:47,064 Speaker 2: to reliperate. I'm really bad lip reading, so I can't 226 00:09:47,064 --> 00:09:50,424 Speaker 2: give you more information. Okay, So the funniest thing about 227 00:09:50,424 --> 00:09:52,304 Speaker 2: this video, Like a lot of people are watching it 228 00:09:52,344 --> 00:09:54,184 Speaker 2: because I just like to see them together. They're a 229 00:09:54,304 --> 00:09:57,544 Speaker 2: very attractive young couple. I'm sure everyone would agree. But 230 00:09:57,584 --> 00:09:59,744 Speaker 2: the funniest thing about this video is that when you're 231 00:09:59,744 --> 00:10:02,664 Speaker 2: watching it, the camera pans from her to him, to 232 00:10:02,704 --> 00:10:04,944 Speaker 2: her to him, and then there's one point where it 233 00:10:04,984 --> 00:10:07,664 Speaker 2: pants from him and it goes to pans train to 234 00:10:07,744 --> 00:10:14,144 Speaker 2: her and accidentally pants just there. She just appears. 235 00:10:14,344 --> 00:10:18,264 Speaker 1: I'm so happy she appears out of nowhere. She's so thrilled. 236 00:10:18,504 --> 00:10:22,944 Speaker 2: Everyone on Twitter is like Chris Jenna Jombscar trigger warning 237 00:10:22,984 --> 00:10:25,264 Speaker 2: next time. It is so so funny. It's just one 238 00:10:25,304 --> 00:10:27,424 Speaker 2: of those videos that have gone absolutely rile for the 239 00:10:27,584 --> 00:10:31,384 Speaker 2: complete wrong reason. But so many people do really care 240 00:10:31,544 --> 00:10:36,024 Speaker 2: about their relationship, especially their relationship timeline, because I think 241 00:10:36,544 --> 00:10:39,704 Speaker 2: we found out before they wanted us to find out, 242 00:10:39,824 --> 00:10:43,504 Speaker 2: and people just love that kind of like investigative work 243 00:10:43,544 --> 00:10:45,784 Speaker 2: that the entire internet does. So I thought i'd go 244 00:10:45,944 --> 00:10:48,584 Speaker 2: over a little timeline because it's been going on for 245 00:10:48,624 --> 00:10:51,784 Speaker 2: a while. It's been reported that they initially met in 246 00:10:51,904 --> 00:10:56,304 Speaker 2: January twenty twenty three at the Paris Fashion Week, where 247 00:10:56,304 --> 00:10:58,704 Speaker 2: they were introduced to each other by a designer and 248 00:10:58,744 --> 00:11:01,864 Speaker 2: then in April that same year, that's when the dating 249 00:11:01,944 --> 00:11:06,024 Speaker 2: roomors started to happen. So it was speculated by des Moi, 250 00:11:06,184 --> 00:11:09,704 Speaker 2: which speculates everything, that they were dating, and everyone's like, 251 00:11:09,864 --> 00:11:12,064 Speaker 2: no way, do you remember this. Everyone was like, there's 252 00:11:12,104 --> 00:11:15,384 Speaker 2: absolutely no way these two would have even interacted in 253 00:11:15,464 --> 00:11:17,064 Speaker 2: the same universe exactly. 254 00:11:17,064 --> 00:11:20,464 Speaker 1: Well, they were pictured talking at that Paris Fashion Week show, 255 00:11:20,864 --> 00:11:22,544 Speaker 1: but it was just a very kind of passing with 256 00:11:22,864 --> 00:11:25,224 Speaker 1: the whole room was filled with different sorts of celebrities, 257 00:11:25,264 --> 00:11:27,704 Speaker 1: and there's always photos of people talking and that sort 258 00:11:27,744 --> 00:11:29,424 Speaker 1: of thing. It doesn't mean they're dating. So it seemed 259 00:11:29,464 --> 00:11:30,624 Speaker 1: like a bit of a leap at the time. 260 00:11:30,824 --> 00:11:34,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, But then straight after des Mois posted about it, 261 00:11:34,744 --> 00:11:37,744 Speaker 2: there was a photo that started circulating of Kylie Jenna's 262 00:11:37,784 --> 00:11:39,584 Speaker 2: car outside his house. 263 00:11:39,664 --> 00:11:40,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was cute. 264 00:11:40,784 --> 00:11:43,904 Speaker 2: It was cute. And then we jumped forward to like 265 00:11:43,944 --> 00:11:47,424 Speaker 2: around September of twenty twenty three where they're like seen together. 266 00:11:47,464 --> 00:11:50,024 Speaker 2: The first time we saw them being like coddly together 267 00:11:50,304 --> 00:11:53,624 Speaker 2: was at Beyonce's concert in la They were kind of 268 00:11:53,704 --> 00:11:57,464 Speaker 2: like spooning and singing yeah, and being really really cute. 269 00:11:57,664 --> 00:12:00,744 Speaker 2: They then attended the US Open in New York, which 270 00:12:00,784 --> 00:12:02,504 Speaker 2: is kind of the photos that we were talking about 271 00:12:02,544 --> 00:12:04,624 Speaker 2: before of them just like huh, they were like had 272 00:12:04,664 --> 00:12:07,264 Speaker 2: their arms around each other like they were buddy buddy. 273 00:12:07,064 --> 00:12:08,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, just sitting in the audience. The thing is, all 274 00:12:08,824 --> 00:12:11,384 Speaker 1: these sightings are so far up, so you kind of 275 00:12:11,384 --> 00:12:14,504 Speaker 1: forget that they're together, and then four months will pass 276 00:12:14,584 --> 00:12:16,184 Speaker 1: and five months or whatever it is, and then like 277 00:12:16,184 --> 00:12:17,584 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the pitch will pop off of them. 278 00:12:17,624 --> 00:12:18,344 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, that's right. 279 00:12:18,504 --> 00:12:20,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, we see them like paparazzi videos of them, like 280 00:12:21,184 --> 00:12:24,144 Speaker 2: entering movie cinemas, like coming off planes. And then it 281 00:12:24,184 --> 00:12:26,464 Speaker 2: was November twenty twenty three where we started seeing them 282 00:12:26,504 --> 00:12:29,704 Speaker 2: actually support each other, which I think that's when everyone 283 00:12:29,864 --> 00:12:31,784 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, they're definitely in a relationship. Like you 284 00:12:31,784 --> 00:12:36,024 Speaker 2: wouldn't just go to your situationships like golden globes. Yeah, 285 00:12:36,744 --> 00:12:40,664 Speaker 2: you would have to establish So he attended the Washington 286 00:12:40,744 --> 00:12:43,944 Speaker 2: Journal magazine Innovator Wards, where Kylie Jenner was on it 287 00:12:44,104 --> 00:12:46,384 Speaker 2: and they were seen together at the event, and then 288 00:12:46,464 --> 00:12:50,024 Speaker 2: she attended after he performed on Saturday Night Live at 289 00:12:50,024 --> 00:12:53,584 Speaker 2: like viral performance with him and Pete Davidson. She came 290 00:12:53,624 --> 00:12:56,544 Speaker 2: to the after party the night that he hosted, and 291 00:12:56,584 --> 00:12:58,944 Speaker 2: then they were seen at the Golden Globes, and now 292 00:12:58,944 --> 00:13:01,784 Speaker 2: we come into twenty twenty four where they have been 293 00:13:01,784 --> 00:13:05,464 Speaker 2: seen at this premiere for a complete unknown but he 294 00:13:05,624 --> 00:13:09,224 Speaker 2: is actually out there promoting this new film in such 295 00:13:09,264 --> 00:13:12,464 Speaker 2: a bizarre way. To me on the red carpet, he 296 00:13:12,584 --> 00:13:14,624 Speaker 2: tried to imbody. I guess what the same day and 297 00:13:14,784 --> 00:13:17,304 Speaker 2: Marco Robbie are doing on their press tools. 298 00:13:17,464 --> 00:13:20,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, that poor sweet boy. He has really tried to 299 00:13:20,584 --> 00:13:23,384 Speaker 1: up his theme dressing and it doesn't quite hit the 300 00:13:23,424 --> 00:13:26,384 Speaker 1: same way. And he's like been out in full force 301 00:13:26,424 --> 00:13:28,264 Speaker 1: on this press too. And it's funny because Kylie Jenner 302 00:13:28,264 --> 00:13:30,624 Speaker 1: obviously doesn't go to any events with him, and that 303 00:13:30,744 --> 00:13:33,504 Speaker 1: was a very private party and we don't know who 304 00:13:33,544 --> 00:13:36,224 Speaker 1: filmed that footage, but it's got to be like it's 305 00:13:36,224 --> 00:13:37,904 Speaker 1: got to be like one of the small number of 306 00:13:37,944 --> 00:13:39,984 Speaker 1: press who were invited. So it's like you and I 307 00:13:40,264 --> 00:13:43,024 Speaker 1: covertly filming them at a party and then putting it 308 00:13:43,024 --> 00:13:45,064 Speaker 1: out into the world, or it's like a family friend 309 00:13:45,104 --> 00:13:47,824 Speaker 1: crew member. So that's already like quite I was interesting 310 00:13:47,824 --> 00:13:48,784 Speaker 1: about video leaks. 311 00:13:48,824 --> 00:13:50,664 Speaker 2: I definitely would have done it for the girls, but 312 00:13:50,704 --> 00:13:53,144 Speaker 2: then I realized because Mum and Mena doesn't post paparatchi. 313 00:13:53,384 --> 00:13:54,304 Speaker 2: We won't even be able to. 314 00:13:54,864 --> 00:13:57,184 Speaker 1: I mean, we've never tried to be the paparazzi ourselves. 315 00:13:57,304 --> 00:14:00,384 Speaker 2: Is that is that a loophole is where the paparazzi 316 00:14:00,464 --> 00:14:01,344 Speaker 2: that's the worker. 317 00:14:02,184 --> 00:14:04,824 Speaker 1: Because then it's us just sharing our stuff. And so 318 00:14:05,184 --> 00:14:07,664 Speaker 1: that's out there in the midst of Timmy being I 319 00:14:07,704 --> 00:14:09,464 Speaker 1: think quite vulnerable. I know he's done it a little 320 00:14:09,464 --> 00:14:11,144 Speaker 1: bit in the past for different movies, but this is 321 00:14:11,144 --> 00:14:13,304 Speaker 1: the first time he's really tried to jump on board 322 00:14:13,544 --> 00:14:15,944 Speaker 1: of that big thing of theme dressing, of dressing like 323 00:14:15,984 --> 00:14:16,824 Speaker 1: your character, but. 324 00:14:16,864 --> 00:14:17,984 Speaker 2: You just want a bit too hard. 325 00:14:18,104 --> 00:14:20,624 Speaker 1: It hasn't quite landed the same way as like Margo, 326 00:14:20,744 --> 00:14:23,224 Speaker 1: Robbie and Barbie, or like Cyn and Ariana. 327 00:14:23,264 --> 00:14:27,104 Speaker 2: There's no guessing Wicked, there's no making connections. It's very obvious. Well, 328 00:14:27,184 --> 00:14:32,984 Speaker 2: is he literally dresses He literally dressed exactly like Bob Dylan. 329 00:14:33,184 --> 00:14:35,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a thin line between theme dressing where you 330 00:14:35,784 --> 00:14:38,744 Speaker 1: just embody the idea of your character or you just 331 00:14:38,784 --> 00:14:41,944 Speaker 1: straight up completely dress up like a Halloween costume, like 332 00:14:41,944 --> 00:14:45,704 Speaker 1: he's cosplaying Bob Dylan. He's even got the site describe 333 00:14:45,704 --> 00:14:47,304 Speaker 1: the photo to people that we're working off. 334 00:14:47,424 --> 00:14:51,784 Speaker 2: Okay, so we're working off. Okay, just pretend when I'm 335 00:14:51,784 --> 00:14:53,664 Speaker 2: describing this, you're thinking you've got to print it out, 336 00:14:53,704 --> 00:14:57,184 Speaker 2: and I've got to print it out, picturing both Bob 337 00:14:57,264 --> 00:14:59,824 Speaker 2: Dylan and Timothy, because the outfit is the exact same. 338 00:15:00,344 --> 00:15:03,944 Speaker 2: So we've got a gray beanie. We're starting from the top, 339 00:15:04,264 --> 00:15:06,344 Speaker 2: a gray beanie. My papa has the exact sidace. 340 00:15:07,744 --> 00:15:09,304 Speaker 1: That's kind of a gray blue beanie. 341 00:15:09,384 --> 00:15:10,904 Speaker 2: It's like kind of I thought that was just a 342 00:15:10,904 --> 00:15:13,504 Speaker 2: printer ink. Anyway, it's kind of pulled back a little 343 00:15:13,504 --> 00:15:16,544 Speaker 2: bit so you can see his side justin bieber fringe. 344 00:15:16,624 --> 00:15:18,784 Speaker 2: That's like a yellowy blonde. 345 00:15:18,944 --> 00:15:21,664 Speaker 1: The other big headline here is that Timothy Challamy has 346 00:15:21,744 --> 00:15:24,944 Speaker 1: bleached his hair blonde message for the press tour and 347 00:15:25,104 --> 00:15:26,944 Speaker 1: it's just a week. That makes it worse right, it's 348 00:15:26,984 --> 00:15:29,424 Speaker 1: alipin fringe like very fake. 349 00:15:29,784 --> 00:15:32,624 Speaker 2: He looks very fake. He's also making the same facial 350 00:15:32,704 --> 00:15:35,464 Speaker 2: expression as the Bob Dylan comparison phone that we have 351 00:15:35,624 --> 00:15:39,224 Speaker 2: with us, and he's very snoldering. He's attempting to grow 352 00:15:39,264 --> 00:15:42,424 Speaker 2: a mustache, which I know he can pull off because 353 00:15:42,464 --> 00:15:46,304 Speaker 2: he had the same mustache at the Timothy look alike competition, Yes, 354 00:15:46,344 --> 00:15:48,304 Speaker 2: and he looked really good there with his brown hair. 355 00:15:48,664 --> 00:15:53,384 Speaker 2: He's wearing a leather jacket that I thought was oversized, 356 00:15:53,424 --> 00:15:55,744 Speaker 2: and then I realized he's no, he's just wearing leather 357 00:15:55,784 --> 00:16:00,184 Speaker 2: gloves as well. Oh, he's wearing a how would you 358 00:16:00,224 --> 00:16:01,344 Speaker 2: describe that scarf. 359 00:16:01,704 --> 00:16:04,264 Speaker 1: It's like a plaid scarf, a wooly plaid. 360 00:16:03,944 --> 00:16:05,944 Speaker 2: Scarf that's tied and then not in the front, similar 361 00:16:05,944 --> 00:16:07,744 Speaker 2: to how you attire your scarf if you're going to school. 362 00:16:07,784 --> 00:16:10,664 Speaker 1: And the detail there that he has like a tiny 363 00:16:10,744 --> 00:16:13,504 Speaker 1: bit of his shirt poking out. He has a scarf exactly. 364 00:16:13,584 --> 00:16:16,744 Speaker 1: So it's he's the complete mirror image of the Bob 365 00:16:16,824 --> 00:16:20,024 Speaker 1: Dylan photo exactly to the fact that the scarf, the 366 00:16:20,024 --> 00:16:23,144 Speaker 1: fringe of the scarf is also falling the exact same way. 367 00:16:22,984 --> 00:16:25,264 Speaker 2: That is art, That is art, And he's got his 368 00:16:25,304 --> 00:16:27,824 Speaker 2: skinny jeans on and the way he's standing. He just 369 00:16:27,904 --> 00:16:30,224 Speaker 2: knows what he's doing and the rest of us know two. 370 00:16:30,304 --> 00:16:33,144 Speaker 2: Because there's no there's absolutely no way you couldn't tell 371 00:16:33,184 --> 00:16:36,024 Speaker 2: that this is the exact same photo of Bob Dylan. 372 00:16:36,304 --> 00:16:38,504 Speaker 2: But is he gonna be wearing like a different outfit 373 00:16:38,584 --> 00:16:39,744 Speaker 2: for every premiere? 374 00:16:39,784 --> 00:16:41,504 Speaker 1: Do we think, well, this is the first time I've 375 00:16:41,504 --> 00:16:44,864 Speaker 1: seen him really completely just dress in costume as Bob 376 00:16:44,944 --> 00:16:47,744 Speaker 1: Dylan at a premiere. Normally he's been more so just 377 00:16:47,784 --> 00:16:50,104 Speaker 1: wearing like suits that sort of feel like in the 378 00:16:50,184 --> 00:16:52,984 Speaker 1: era of the movie, but not like full on and 379 00:16:53,024 --> 00:16:54,864 Speaker 1: the same thing like el Fannings in the movie too, 380 00:16:54,984 --> 00:16:57,024 Speaker 1: And she's got a bit of a retro look going 381 00:16:57,024 --> 00:16:58,664 Speaker 1: on with her hair and makeup to kind of fit 382 00:16:58,744 --> 00:17:00,624 Speaker 1: with it. So like the women in the movie also 383 00:17:00,624 --> 00:17:02,984 Speaker 1: theme dressing, but they're doing the thing that most actresses 384 00:17:03,024 --> 00:17:05,584 Speaker 1: do where they look like it's like Margo Robbie dressing 385 00:17:05,624 --> 00:17:07,344 Speaker 1: in the same timeline as like Babylon. 386 00:17:07,744 --> 00:17:10,864 Speaker 2: So way, it's like hinting at the movie's movie. 387 00:17:10,944 --> 00:17:13,224 Speaker 1: It's hinting at like the error that the movie, that 388 00:17:13,264 --> 00:17:15,864 Speaker 1: the fashion of the movie took place in not I 389 00:17:15,904 --> 00:17:18,224 Speaker 1: think what Timothy heard was like, I'm just gonna find 390 00:17:18,224 --> 00:17:20,224 Speaker 1: a photo of Bob Dylan and just copy it to 391 00:17:20,304 --> 00:17:22,864 Speaker 1: a tea. Timothy was like, oh, I'm Bob Dylan, yet 392 00:17:24,224 --> 00:17:26,664 Speaker 1: we're all coming as characters all that. Poor boy. I 393 00:17:26,664 --> 00:17:29,064 Speaker 1: guess menken theme dress, but it just it just tips. 394 00:17:29,184 --> 00:17:31,344 Speaker 2: I'm loving the attempt. I want more attempts like this. 395 00:17:31,464 --> 00:17:32,664 Speaker 2: For men. 396 00:17:34,384 --> 00:17:37,504 Speaker 1: So the Variety Actors on Actors series has been rolling 397 00:17:37,504 --> 00:17:40,944 Speaker 1: out this year's lineup of interviews, and we've spoken about 398 00:17:40,984 --> 00:17:42,864 Speaker 1: quite a few of them. Really interesting line this year, 399 00:17:42,904 --> 00:17:44,624 Speaker 1: which I think is kind of heading into the fact 400 00:17:44,624 --> 00:17:46,304 Speaker 1: that this awards season is going to be one of 401 00:17:46,304 --> 00:17:48,624 Speaker 1: the most exciting we've seen for a long time. A 402 00:17:48,624 --> 00:17:51,064 Speaker 1: lot of big movies, a lot of big performances, and 403 00:17:51,104 --> 00:17:53,424 Speaker 1: one of the really interesting pairings that I was really 404 00:17:53,424 --> 00:17:56,584 Speaker 1: excited to watch this year was Mikey Madison, who is 405 00:17:56,624 --> 00:17:59,464 Speaker 1: the star of the film and Noura very highly tipped 406 00:17:59,464 --> 00:18:01,544 Speaker 1: to kind of be the front runner of this award 407 00:18:01,584 --> 00:18:05,264 Speaker 1: season in the Best Actress race. And also Pamela Anderson. 408 00:18:05,384 --> 00:18:07,744 Speaker 1: So Pamela Anderson, if you can believe it, is a 409 00:18:07,784 --> 00:18:10,144 Speaker 1: nominated for the first first time she's been nominated for 410 00:18:10,184 --> 00:18:12,584 Speaker 1: a movie the first time, Yeah, for a movie role, 411 00:18:12,744 --> 00:18:15,104 Speaker 1: for Best Performance by a Female Actor in a Motion 412 00:18:15,264 --> 00:18:18,264 Speaker 1: Picture for her role in the new drama The Last show. 413 00:18:18,064 --> 00:18:19,184 Speaker 2: Girl, and. 414 00:18:21,024 --> 00:18:23,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, we love her. And so it was really interesting 415 00:18:23,424 --> 00:18:27,224 Speaker 1: to see these two women be paired together, particularly because 416 00:18:27,464 --> 00:18:30,264 Speaker 1: they're both in movies and also have had careers that 417 00:18:30,304 --> 00:18:34,344 Speaker 1: are very focused on like the sexualization of women in 418 00:18:34,504 --> 00:18:38,024 Speaker 1: a way that that's what part of that storyline is 419 00:18:38,024 --> 00:18:40,824 Speaker 1: what is dissected through their performances in terms of like 420 00:18:40,984 --> 00:18:43,584 Speaker 1: women who are used for currency for their bodies or 421 00:18:43,624 --> 00:18:46,304 Speaker 1: their looks, and what that means the storyline and kind 422 00:18:46,344 --> 00:18:48,824 Speaker 1: of how they involve that in their performance. It was 423 00:18:48,824 --> 00:18:51,224 Speaker 1: really interesting to see that, and as I was watching it, 424 00:18:51,224 --> 00:18:54,664 Speaker 1: it's quite funny because Mikey Madison this whole award season 425 00:18:54,704 --> 00:18:58,624 Speaker 1: and since Anora has absolutely blown up, she just looks 426 00:18:58,664 --> 00:19:02,504 Speaker 1: so almost overcome and nervous as you would be in 427 00:19:02,544 --> 00:19:05,144 Speaker 1: all of these situations on Red Carpet's an interview that's 428 00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:07,504 Speaker 1: like she can't quite believe that her tiny little indie 429 00:19:07,544 --> 00:19:09,424 Speaker 1: movie has blown up in this way. 430 00:19:09,464 --> 00:19:11,264 Speaker 2: It's like overnight fa basically, yeah. 431 00:19:11,264 --> 00:19:13,904 Speaker 1: Because people obviously loved her from you know, the screen franchise, 432 00:19:14,024 --> 00:19:15,744 Speaker 1: and she'd had smaller parts and once upon a time 433 00:19:15,744 --> 00:19:17,544 Speaker 1: in Hollywood and other bits. This is the first time 434 00:19:17,584 --> 00:19:19,784 Speaker 1: she's really blown up as a leading lady for a 435 00:19:19,824 --> 00:19:22,944 Speaker 1: movie this buzzy. And of course, Pamela Anderson, as we've 436 00:19:22,944 --> 00:19:25,664 Speaker 1: talked about in the podcast manytime, has been famous for 437 00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:28,464 Speaker 1: many decades now, but is at this point in her 438 00:19:28,544 --> 00:19:31,224 Speaker 1: life being really celebrated for her acting as a serious 439 00:19:31,224 --> 00:19:33,384 Speaker 1: actress in a way that she'd never was before, when 440 00:19:33,384 --> 00:19:35,264 Speaker 1: she was more dismissed at as being kind of like 441 00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:38,584 Speaker 1: a blonde, bombshell pinup girl, all that sort of thing. 442 00:19:38,824 --> 00:19:41,064 Speaker 1: So having the conversation and it's going really well, and 443 00:19:41,064 --> 00:19:43,824 Speaker 1: they're obviously like kind of quite star struck by each other, 444 00:19:44,224 --> 00:19:46,184 Speaker 1: which I really like. And then they got to the 445 00:19:46,184 --> 00:19:49,424 Speaker 1: point of the conversation of talking about nudity and sex 446 00:19:49,464 --> 00:19:53,424 Speaker 1: scenes in their films. So in Anora, which we talked 447 00:19:53,424 --> 00:19:55,744 Speaker 1: all about briefly, we have more content coming on that 448 00:19:55,824 --> 00:19:58,744 Speaker 1: because em and I saw Anora recently. It's coming out 449 00:19:58,784 --> 00:20:01,184 Speaker 1: in Australia on Boxing Day and we loved it so much. 450 00:20:01,184 --> 00:20:02,464 Speaker 2: One of my favorite movies ever. 451 00:20:02,704 --> 00:20:04,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, someone asks me my top movies for twenty twenty 452 00:20:04,784 --> 00:20:07,064 Speaker 1: four the other day, I'm like wicked at Anura tie 453 00:20:07,344 --> 00:20:10,664 Speaker 1: And So in Anra, Mikey Madison plays the character of Nora, 454 00:20:10,824 --> 00:20:14,384 Speaker 1: who is a stripper and also a sex worker working 455 00:20:14,424 --> 00:20:17,024 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, and there's a lot of scenes throughout the 456 00:20:17,024 --> 00:20:19,184 Speaker 1: movie that involve a lot of nudity, a lot of 457 00:20:19,184 --> 00:20:21,784 Speaker 1: sex scenes, a lot of very kind of a lot 458 00:20:21,784 --> 00:20:24,704 Speaker 1: of very intimate scenes where she's a lot of the 459 00:20:24,704 --> 00:20:26,744 Speaker 1: times she's also the only one on camera, or you know, 460 00:20:26,904 --> 00:20:29,744 Speaker 1: they're picturing her in sex scenes with different characters. It's 461 00:20:29,744 --> 00:20:32,784 Speaker 1: a very kind of bold performance in that way. So 462 00:20:32,864 --> 00:20:36,944 Speaker 1: Pamela Anderson asked her about having an intimacy coordinator on set, because, 463 00:20:36,944 --> 00:20:38,784 Speaker 1: as we know, in the last couple of years, that's 464 00:20:38,784 --> 00:20:41,264 Speaker 1: become a huge thing for every film and TV production 465 00:20:41,704 --> 00:20:44,824 Speaker 1: to have someone on set who is especially trained in 466 00:20:44,824 --> 00:20:48,664 Speaker 1: that area, who is there to make sure everyone feels safe, 467 00:20:48,704 --> 00:20:51,584 Speaker 1: to choreograph the sex scenes and the intimate scenes, to 468 00:20:51,664 --> 00:20:55,344 Speaker 1: really work shop with the actors. And when Mikey Madison replied, 469 00:20:55,384 --> 00:20:57,864 Speaker 1: you could kind of see the visual shock on her face. 470 00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:00,264 Speaker 1: Did you have an intimacy coordinator? 471 00:21:00,344 --> 00:21:04,344 Speaker 3: That's the big thing that these days, right, Yeah, you know, 472 00:21:04,424 --> 00:21:07,544 Speaker 3: for our film, we didn't. It was a choice that 473 00:21:08,064 --> 00:21:11,064 Speaker 3: I made that the filmmakers are to me if I 474 00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:14,304 Speaker 3: wanted to bring on an intimacy coordinator or not. And 475 00:21:14,664 --> 00:21:19,104 Speaker 3: at the time Mark Eedelstein, who plays Yvonne in the film, 476 00:21:19,384 --> 00:21:21,744 Speaker 3: we decided that it would be best just to keep 477 00:21:21,784 --> 00:21:25,984 Speaker 3: it small with us and then Sean Baker, the director, 478 00:21:26,024 --> 00:21:28,864 Speaker 3: and Sammy Kwan, his producing partner, and his wife, and 479 00:21:28,904 --> 00:21:32,024 Speaker 3: so I think that we were able to just really 480 00:21:32,064 --> 00:21:37,184 Speaker 3: streamline it, shoot it super quickly, and they're less sex scenes, 481 00:21:37,264 --> 00:21:40,784 Speaker 3: more sex shots. That's what Sean likes to say, and 482 00:21:40,904 --> 00:21:42,864 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of humor involved in them 483 00:21:42,904 --> 00:21:46,384 Speaker 3: as well, and so it was a very positive experience 484 00:21:46,544 --> 00:21:49,384 Speaker 3: for me. But also my character is a sex worker, 485 00:21:50,104 --> 00:21:53,504 Speaker 3: and so to me, I had seen Sean's films and 486 00:21:53,584 --> 00:21:57,944 Speaker 3: I know his dedication to authenticity. I also wanted to 487 00:21:57,984 --> 00:22:00,504 Speaker 3: immerse myself in that, so I was ready for it. 488 00:22:00,504 --> 00:22:02,864 Speaker 3: It requires a lot of her body and her skin, 489 00:22:02,984 --> 00:22:05,304 Speaker 3: and so I think that, like I've said it before, 490 00:22:05,344 --> 00:22:07,344 Speaker 3: but I think she wears her nudity more like a 491 00:22:07,344 --> 00:22:10,984 Speaker 3: costume in a way. She presents herself in this sort 492 00:22:10,984 --> 00:22:14,424 Speaker 3: of hyper sexualized way because it's how she how she 493 00:22:14,464 --> 00:22:17,024 Speaker 3: makes a living, and it's just what she has to do. 494 00:22:17,144 --> 00:22:19,704 Speaker 3: And so I think I also, as an actress, approached 495 00:22:19,704 --> 00:22:21,944 Speaker 3: it in a way of like it being a job. 496 00:22:22,744 --> 00:22:24,064 Speaker 3: So I was very comfortable. 497 00:22:24,704 --> 00:22:28,024 Speaker 1: You can see Pamela Anderson is obviously handling it very 498 00:22:28,104 --> 00:22:29,624 Speaker 1: kind of She kind of down plays it, but there 499 00:22:29,704 --> 00:22:31,464 Speaker 1: is a real look of shock on her face when 500 00:22:31,464 --> 00:22:32,944 Speaker 1: that happens, and then they kind of move on to 501 00:22:33,024 --> 00:22:35,904 Speaker 1: another topic. Why do you think she's shocked, Pamela Is 502 00:22:35,944 --> 00:22:40,064 Speaker 1: Pamla Anderson shocked? I think because she's spoken so much 503 00:22:40,144 --> 00:22:42,704 Speaker 1: over her career of like feeling unsafe on sets, of 504 00:22:42,744 --> 00:22:45,304 Speaker 1: being overly sexualized. And I'm sure we've really only got 505 00:22:45,384 --> 00:22:46,864 Speaker 1: kind of the tip of the iceberg of what has 506 00:22:46,864 --> 00:22:49,704 Speaker 1: happened to that woman over the years. And I don't 507 00:22:49,704 --> 00:22:51,104 Speaker 1: want to put words in her mouth, but what I'm 508 00:22:51,144 --> 00:22:54,064 Speaker 1: thinking is that she's looking at this young actress who 509 00:22:54,144 --> 00:22:55,624 Speaker 1: is saying like, oh, don't no, I didn't know anyone 510 00:22:55,624 --> 00:22:57,824 Speaker 1: I felt safe, and not judging her, but just thinking 511 00:22:57,904 --> 00:23:00,224 Speaker 1: like I mean again putting words into her mouth, but 512 00:23:00,304 --> 00:23:03,024 Speaker 1: thinking like, you know, we've fought so hard to have 513 00:23:03,144 --> 00:23:05,464 Speaker 1: this and you're being dismissive of it, or I wish 514 00:23:05,544 --> 00:23:07,464 Speaker 1: I could, you know, have that in my career where 515 00:23:07,464 --> 00:23:09,224 Speaker 1: I could feel safe enough to walk onto a set 516 00:23:09,224 --> 00:23:11,104 Speaker 1: without that. I just I think there's a lot of 517 00:23:11,144 --> 00:23:13,304 Speaker 1: actresses in Hollywood that have been pushing for this for 518 00:23:13,344 --> 00:23:15,904 Speaker 1: so long, and I wonder if it would be very 519 00:23:15,944 --> 00:23:18,744 Speaker 1: uncomfortable to see a younger actress say no, I don't 520 00:23:18,784 --> 00:23:20,824 Speaker 1: need that. She's not even saying I don't want it 521 00:23:20,864 --> 00:23:23,304 Speaker 1: because I felt comfortable, but she did say she's if 522 00:23:23,344 --> 00:23:26,064 Speaker 1: you kind of read between the lines, she's saying that 523 00:23:26,144 --> 00:23:28,504 Speaker 1: she wanted her performance to be more authentic, so she's 524 00:23:28,544 --> 00:23:29,624 Speaker 1: alluding to the fact she's. 525 00:23:29,464 --> 00:23:31,864 Speaker 2: Putting her character in it, Like, Yeah, this is a 526 00:23:31,944 --> 00:23:35,544 Speaker 2: level of method acting that I feel like, personally, I 527 00:23:35,584 --> 00:23:36,864 Speaker 2: can't get on board with. 528 00:23:37,184 --> 00:23:39,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like alluding to the idea that you can't 529 00:23:39,504 --> 00:23:43,184 Speaker 1: have a very authentic performance if you have an intimacy 530 00:23:43,224 --> 00:23:45,624 Speaker 1: coordinator there, which I think is kind of quite disturbing 531 00:23:45,664 --> 00:23:48,144 Speaker 1: for all the actors and actresses out there who have 532 00:23:48,264 --> 00:23:51,184 Speaker 1: been using them to keep these scenes above board. 533 00:23:51,704 --> 00:23:54,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Yeah, it was quite shocking when I heard 534 00:23:54,824 --> 00:23:57,464 Speaker 2: it as well, and even reading the transcript as well 535 00:23:57,464 --> 00:24:02,384 Speaker 2: of that interview feels as jarring because I feel like 536 00:24:02,384 --> 00:24:06,424 Speaker 2: intimacy coordination is something that we've only learned about recently, 537 00:24:06,984 --> 00:24:08,904 Speaker 2: and it was just such a new concept, but it 538 00:24:08,984 --> 00:24:11,624 Speaker 2: just made sense and sense in a way where we 539 00:24:11,664 --> 00:24:14,024 Speaker 2: were like, Yeah, why haven't they had this this whole time, 540 00:24:14,144 --> 00:24:16,544 Speaker 2: like especially with movies now, and we've talked about it 541 00:24:16,584 --> 00:24:20,424 Speaker 2: on the Spill before, how they're showing everything like it's 542 00:24:20,464 --> 00:24:23,264 Speaker 2: no more of like you see them making out in 543 00:24:23,264 --> 00:24:26,064 Speaker 2: the camera pants to a sunrise or pans to a 544 00:24:26,184 --> 00:24:30,304 Speaker 2: glass vase of roses. You're seeing them like do everything 545 00:24:30,424 --> 00:24:33,144 Speaker 2: and especially a baby girl that we just watched. Yeah, 546 00:24:33,144 --> 00:24:35,624 Speaker 2: like you like, sex is the main part of that 547 00:24:35,824 --> 00:24:38,744 Speaker 2: entire movie, and they also like discuss consent and everything, 548 00:24:38,824 --> 00:24:41,624 Speaker 2: so you see like everything, and in Anora there are 549 00:24:41,704 --> 00:24:45,264 Speaker 2: so many sex scenes, like some quite vulnerable and like 550 00:24:45,304 --> 00:24:47,384 Speaker 2: that plot to a sex scene at the end was 551 00:24:47,424 --> 00:24:50,144 Speaker 2: one that was just so emotionally driven that it literally 552 00:24:50,264 --> 00:24:54,264 Speaker 2: left us feeling ill after that entire movie and now 553 00:24:54,304 --> 00:24:57,584 Speaker 2: knowing that there wasn't even intimacy coordinated to do that 554 00:24:57,704 --> 00:25:00,704 Speaker 2: sex scene in particular, makes me feel really weird for 555 00:25:00,824 --> 00:25:01,304 Speaker 2: watching it. 556 00:25:01,744 --> 00:25:04,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel unsettling. It's interesting because you know, 557 00:25:04,624 --> 00:25:07,104 Speaker 1: before this became a conversation, I wouldn't eve even really 558 00:25:07,144 --> 00:25:09,904 Speaker 1: thought about logistics of shooting a sex scene. I guess 559 00:25:09,904 --> 00:25:11,744 Speaker 1: you think, like as an audience member, like, oh, it 560 00:25:11,824 --> 00:25:13,304 Speaker 1: must be kind of awkward, but you know that have 561 00:25:13,344 --> 00:25:15,744 Speaker 1: things to deal with it, and you hear actresses talk 562 00:25:15,784 --> 00:25:18,024 Speaker 1: about the fact that you could just be lying under 563 00:25:18,024 --> 00:25:20,664 Speaker 1: blankets with an actor that you barely know because it 564 00:25:20,704 --> 00:25:23,584 Speaker 1: takes days to shoot these scenes. And back in the 565 00:25:23,664 --> 00:25:25,304 Speaker 1: day there were no rules about like where do you 566 00:25:25,304 --> 00:25:27,944 Speaker 1: put your hands, how do you move which parts of 567 00:25:27,944 --> 00:25:29,784 Speaker 1: your skin can you touch? Like, and because it's all 568 00:25:29,864 --> 00:25:32,024 Speaker 1: under a blanket, and even though there could be like 569 00:25:32,104 --> 00:25:35,504 Speaker 1: twenty people in the room, there's no I guess, accountability 570 00:25:35,544 --> 00:25:37,184 Speaker 1: for what people are doing because you could just say 571 00:25:37,184 --> 00:25:40,464 Speaker 1: it's part of the scene. But when intimacy coordinators came in, 572 00:25:40,824 --> 00:25:44,064 Speaker 1: they almost remember when I interviewed Daisy Edgar Jones for 573 00:25:44,104 --> 00:25:45,904 Speaker 1: Normal People way back in the day and they had 574 00:25:45,904 --> 00:25:48,744 Speaker 1: an intimacy coordinator on set, and she was telling me 575 00:25:48,824 --> 00:25:50,704 Speaker 1: that she felt so comfortable because it was like a 576 00:25:50,784 --> 00:25:53,904 Speaker 1: choreograph dance of like Paul's gonna put his arm here, 577 00:25:53,944 --> 00:25:55,424 Speaker 1: and then Days is going to move her arm there, 578 00:25:55,664 --> 00:25:58,384 Speaker 1: and it's all kind of mapped out, so there's no surprises, 579 00:25:58,704 --> 00:26:01,424 Speaker 1: no one's shocked, no one's uncomfortable. And the other thing 580 00:26:01,464 --> 00:26:03,944 Speaker 1: about turning down an intimacy coordinator, I mean, it's interesting 581 00:26:03,984 --> 00:26:06,184 Speaker 1: because Mikey Madison, who we love, like we're not like 582 00:26:06,264 --> 00:26:08,064 Speaker 1: kind of calling her out or anything. It's just kind 583 00:26:08,064 --> 00:26:11,664 Speaker 1: of a shocking revelation, especially after seeing movie. The thing is, 584 00:26:11,704 --> 00:26:14,224 Speaker 1: I guess that she said that it's such a small shoot, 585 00:26:14,264 --> 00:26:17,104 Speaker 1: and apparently they shot anra very quickly. Like they shot it. 586 00:26:17,104 --> 00:26:19,264 Speaker 1: It was a very small budget. It was shot with 587 00:26:19,304 --> 00:26:22,024 Speaker 1: a really small crew, over a couple of the budget 588 00:26:22,584 --> 00:26:25,464 Speaker 1: that mansion. Yeah, exactly. They probably just borrowed that mansion 589 00:26:25,464 --> 00:26:27,424 Speaker 1: from a friend or something, so they only had a 590 00:26:27,504 --> 00:26:29,424 Speaker 1: very small amount of people on set. So maybe they 591 00:26:29,464 --> 00:26:31,624 Speaker 1: all did get together and they were all comfortable with it, 592 00:26:31,904 --> 00:26:33,664 Speaker 1: But it's hard to say because the other thing about 593 00:26:33,704 --> 00:26:35,904 Speaker 1: an intimacy coordinator is that they're not just there for 594 00:26:35,944 --> 00:26:38,144 Speaker 1: the actors in the scene. They're also there for the 595 00:26:38,184 --> 00:26:40,064 Speaker 1: other people in the room. Like everyone in the room 596 00:26:40,104 --> 00:26:42,144 Speaker 1: has to If someone's gonna be naked on a movie set, 597 00:26:42,184 --> 00:26:44,944 Speaker 1: now everyone in the room has to consent to it beforehand. 598 00:26:45,304 --> 00:26:47,344 Speaker 1: The actors themselves can ask people to leave, like the 599 00:26:47,344 --> 00:26:50,344 Speaker 1: intimacy coordinator does all that as well. So not having 600 00:26:50,344 --> 00:26:53,624 Speaker 1: someone there, it's like, well, the lead actress might feel okay, 601 00:26:53,744 --> 00:26:55,984 Speaker 1: but what about like the young woman behind the camera, 602 00:26:56,064 --> 00:26:57,664 Speaker 1: what if she doesn't want a naked guy in front 603 00:26:57,664 --> 00:26:59,104 Speaker 1: of her and she didn't sign up for that that 604 00:26:59,184 --> 00:27:00,144 Speaker 1: day kind of thing. 605 00:26:59,984 --> 00:27:02,304 Speaker 2: And because she did mention like she is a sex 606 00:27:02,384 --> 00:27:03,824 Speaker 2: worker in the film, but there are a lot of 607 00:27:03,824 --> 00:27:06,584 Speaker 2: sex scenes that take place in like group settings, like 608 00:27:06,584 --> 00:27:09,224 Speaker 2: when there's other people, So, did like no one get 609 00:27:09,224 --> 00:27:12,024 Speaker 2: an intimacy coordinator, because there's like even the first scene 610 00:27:12,064 --> 00:27:14,304 Speaker 2: of the movie, you're just seeing like probably like five 611 00:27:14,384 --> 00:27:16,144 Speaker 2: or six people having said, yeah, all. 612 00:27:16,064 --> 00:27:18,864 Speaker 1: The other women in the film, like because when they're 613 00:27:18,904 --> 00:27:22,704 Speaker 1: in the club, there's footage of other women filming like 614 00:27:22,864 --> 00:27:25,744 Speaker 1: dancers or that sort of stuff, or filming naked with 615 00:27:26,144 --> 00:27:28,984 Speaker 1: different men in that club, and so yeah, did they 616 00:27:29,024 --> 00:27:31,064 Speaker 1: have that when they're taking their tops off and dancing 617 00:27:31,064 --> 00:27:32,784 Speaker 1: and stuff and the men are touching them in the 618 00:27:32,824 --> 00:27:35,504 Speaker 1: background or was that all just like you guys go 619 00:27:35,544 --> 00:27:37,504 Speaker 1: for gold in the background, Especially when you're a background actor, 620 00:27:37,584 --> 00:27:40,184 Speaker 1: you can't really be no one's like checking it on you. 621 00:27:40,224 --> 00:27:42,664 Speaker 1: I'm assuming in the background shot, is that guy allowed 622 00:27:42,664 --> 00:27:43,544 Speaker 1: to put his hand there? 623 00:27:43,944 --> 00:27:44,144 Speaker 2: Yeah. 624 00:27:44,344 --> 00:27:46,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite confronting. But the thing is she's also 625 00:27:46,584 --> 00:27:49,184 Speaker 1: not the only person to have said this. A few 626 00:27:49,184 --> 00:27:50,984 Speaker 1: actors have come out over the years and just said 627 00:27:50,984 --> 00:27:54,224 Speaker 1: that intimacy coordinators are not for them. I just thought 628 00:27:54,224 --> 00:27:56,144 Speaker 1: it was shocking because of her age and because she's 629 00:27:56,144 --> 00:27:59,064 Speaker 1: starting in the industry. Because every other actor who I've 630 00:27:59,104 --> 00:28:02,104 Speaker 1: heard say they don't want an intimacy coordinator has said 631 00:28:02,104 --> 00:28:03,904 Speaker 1: so because they've been in the business for so long 632 00:28:03,944 --> 00:28:06,824 Speaker 1: and they can't change now. So like only just last year. 633 00:28:06,984 --> 00:28:10,624 Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston also in an interview to Variety, they were 634 00:28:10,624 --> 00:28:13,464 Speaker 1: talking about hiring a sex scene for The Morning Show 635 00:28:13,584 --> 00:28:16,984 Speaker 1: and like her role on that, and she said, oh god, no, 636 00:28:17,064 --> 00:28:19,344 Speaker 1: I'm from the olden days. What does that even mean? 637 00:28:19,784 --> 00:28:21,624 Speaker 1: And then she said, I don't want someone to ask 638 00:28:21,664 --> 00:28:23,864 Speaker 1: me if I'm okay. She's like, sex scenees awkward enough, 639 00:28:23,904 --> 00:28:25,944 Speaker 1: let's just get it over with. But I don't know, 640 00:28:25,984 --> 00:28:28,064 Speaker 1: maybe that didn't feel as shocking at the time because 641 00:28:28,144 --> 00:28:30,304 Speaker 1: Jennifer Anderson's been in the business for so long and 642 00:28:30,344 --> 00:28:32,824 Speaker 1: you just feel like, I don't know, she was just 643 00:28:32,824 --> 00:28:35,504 Speaker 1: like so set in her ways, and she feels very confidential. 644 00:28:35,544 --> 00:28:38,144 Speaker 1: So producer on the set like, to me, that feels 645 00:28:38,224 --> 00:28:41,624 Speaker 1: very different to a young actress coming into a movie set. Yeah, 646 00:28:41,704 --> 00:28:43,424 Speaker 1: but it was still shocking. It was shocking when she 647 00:28:43,464 --> 00:28:43,744 Speaker 1: said that. 648 00:28:44,144 --> 00:28:46,584 Speaker 2: Does sound shocking in the context as well. But I 649 00:28:46,584 --> 00:28:48,784 Speaker 2: feel like even in Morning Show and like some of 650 00:28:48,784 --> 00:28:52,144 Speaker 2: the movies Jennifer Amison has done, it's nowhere near like 651 00:28:52,464 --> 00:28:54,824 Speaker 2: to the intense level of what we saw in Anora. 652 00:28:54,984 --> 00:28:58,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So yeah, an interesting takeaway from that, and 653 00:28:58,784 --> 00:29:01,504 Speaker 1: again not calling anyone out, but I just I think 654 00:29:01,624 --> 00:29:03,584 Speaker 1: it's obviously okay for people to do what they feel 655 00:29:03,584 --> 00:29:06,064 Speaker 1: comfortable with it in a creative setting, but I just 656 00:29:06,144 --> 00:29:08,104 Speaker 1: would not want other people to hear that and think 657 00:29:08,344 --> 00:29:11,144 Speaker 1: that their performance can't be authentic if they had an 658 00:29:11,184 --> 00:29:12,464 Speaker 1: intimacy coordinator there. 659 00:29:12,784 --> 00:29:15,464 Speaker 2: I know we are getting close to Christmas, but do 660 00:29:15,664 --> 00:29:19,624 Speaker 2: not worry. We are not going anywhere. We are kicking 661 00:29:19,664 --> 00:29:23,264 Speaker 2: off our hot Pod summer series of content and I'm 662 00:29:23,304 --> 00:29:26,184 Speaker 2: so excited for these episodes because they're the episodes and 663 00:29:26,384 --> 00:29:28,904 Speaker 2: I'm going to be listening to because I don't really 664 00:29:28,944 --> 00:29:30,704 Speaker 2: like listening to my voice, but I am going to 665 00:29:30,704 --> 00:29:33,304 Speaker 2: be listening to these. I'lb, what's our Monday's episode? 666 00:29:33,464 --> 00:29:36,344 Speaker 1: That is our episode on the biggest celebrity breakups? And 667 00:29:36,344 --> 00:29:39,984 Speaker 1: also just interesting relationships from the last year and why 668 00:29:40,024 --> 00:29:41,184 Speaker 1: did we go to town on that one? 669 00:29:41,344 --> 00:29:44,104 Speaker 2: So juicy. We will be back here in your podcast 670 00:29:44,184 --> 00:29:52,304 Speaker 2: feed at three pm tomorrow. Goodbye.