Speaker 1: You're listening to another Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to a special drop of Mamma Mia
Speaker 2: out Loud.
Speaker 3: I'm Hollywayne Right, I'm Amelia Lester.
Speaker 4: I'm Jesse Stevens, and.
Speaker 2: Four of us here. There are four of us gathered
Speaker 2: here today for a very special reason. We are doing
Speaker 2: two episodes that round up all our best recommendations.
Speaker 4: To be There are a lot of fresh ones as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Amelia isn't normally on Friday, so she never
Speaker 2: gets to do recommendation.
Speaker 1: Which is a shame because I love losting people around. Hey,
Speaker 1: can I just say having four of us in one spot?
Speaker 1: You know how the royal family has these rules that
Speaker 1: the people at the top of the succession ladder can't
Speaker 1: travel together in.
Speaker 3: Case there's a playing crash. This worries missus. I'm just
Speaker 3: going to say it.
Speaker 5: I hope no one has an illness.
Speaker 2: So you know, if anything goes really tits.
Speaker 3: Up, she could one by herself.
Speaker 5: That's the most terrifying detail is that Mayo would have
Speaker 5: to step in.
Speaker 2: So we've gathered up recommendations ones either our favorites from
Speaker 2: ones we gave you this year or fresh E's for
Speaker 2: Cross two episodes, and we're going to take turns and
Speaker 2: we're going to start with movies. Jesse Stevens, would you
Speaker 2: like to kick off?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: Mine is a Netflix documentary that was the best Netflix
Speaker 5: documentary I watched all year. If you haven't got round
Speaker 5: to each.
Speaker 2: Jesse, you watch how many Netflix documentaries do you think
Speaker 2: you watched this year?
Speaker 4: I reckon I watched two a week.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, easy, more.
Speaker 5: Than more than yeah, and most of them are fine,
Speaker 5: but this one, can.
Speaker 6: I guess what it is?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Poop Cruise.
Speaker 4: Oh that was great.
Speaker 5: It's not that, but I love Poop Cruise. I will
Speaker 5: second that recommendation. It was Tighten the Ocean Gate Submersible
Speaker 5: disaster documentary.
Speaker 2: So just a second, we are kicking off our recommendations
Speaker 2: special for the festive season with the documentary Submarine Exploded.
Speaker 2: Several people was very sad, Jesse stee. But it was
Speaker 2: also like, I was so obsessed with that story.
Speaker 7: There was no way of knowing were Titled was going
Speaker 7: to fail, but it was a mathematical certainty that it
Speaker 7: would fail. Stockton saw an opportunity to restart tourist visits
Speaker 7: to Titanic.
Speaker 2: Stockton fully believed in what he was doing and that
Speaker 2: it would work.
Speaker 3: He wanted to fame to fuel these ego theme.
Speaker 7: I have no desire to die.
Speaker 2: I understand this kind.
Speaker 3: Of risk, and I thought Stockton was a borderline psychopath.
Speaker 3: How do you manage a person like that who.
Speaker 2: Owns the company?
Speaker 5: The way that the headlines were coming out and there
Speaker 5: were rumors that you could hear tapping, and there was
Speaker 5: the timer of just like these people are stuck. I
Speaker 5: find something about submersibles so innately terrifying that the idea
Speaker 5: that these people went down and something went horrifically wrong.
Speaker 5: There is so much more to that story in terms
Speaker 5: of it. There is fault and there is hubris involved,
Speaker 5: and like the narrative in the way it's put together
Speaker 5: and the people who tried to blow the whistle, it
Speaker 5: is just fascinating.
Speaker 4: Have you all seen it yet?
Speaker 3: I have seen it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as good as poop cruise.
Speaker 3: It just I mean.
Speaker 1: But what I did love about it was that there
Speaker 1: were a lot of people who, like you say, were
Speaker 1: trying to solve this disaster waiting to happen, and they did,
Speaker 1: including an Australian. If nobody saves me correctly, but they
Speaker 1: just won't listen.
Speaker 4: To exactly right.
Speaker 5: It was so so good. So that documentary is my
Speaker 5: number one Netflix stocker.
Speaker 2: And I think we share one of our number one
Speaker 2: I came through in a special extra so our joint
Speaker 2: favorite movie. And I have to caveat this that I
Speaker 2: realized this year I went to the movies, probably less
Speaker 2: than I've ever been to the movie. Movie tickets are
Speaker 2: quiet expensive, and also it just I don't live someone
Speaker 2: near movies anymore. But I think I'm also representative of
Speaker 2: a lot of people. Unfortunately. I've just it takes a lot.
Speaker 2: But this movie was so good and it was sinners.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I've.
Speaker 8: Been all over this world. I've seen me and die ways.
Speaker 8: I ain't even know as possible. Lave you, brother, be careful.
Speaker 8: I will with all the things that I've seen. I
Speaker 8: ain't ever seen no demons, no ghosts.
Speaker 1: No man.
Speaker 9: Feel Now, I think this movie made it in my letterbox.
Speaker 6: Top four? Are we all on letterbox here?
Speaker 2: No? What?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 9: Letterbox is also people are using it as a dating
Speaker 9: app now, but it's kind of like good Reads for movies.
Speaker 9: So it's an app that you have on your phone
Speaker 9: every time you watch a movie, you rate and review it,
Speaker 9: and then you can follow other people and like their
Speaker 9: ratings and reviews, and on your profile you choose your
Speaker 9: favorite four movies of all time and sin it's made.
Speaker 1: It in Okay, can Somehow? I have literally never heard
Speaker 1: of this. Can You tell Me Everything Spill?
Speaker 9: So it's directed by Ryan Coolidge and it stars Michael B.
Speaker 6: Jordan.
Speaker 9: He plays twins. And I think it's sat in the
Speaker 9: nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: No, it's not, Yes, it's not. It's like in the twenties,
Speaker 2: he said, like way when Oh dear.
Speaker 4: Seventies way back, because.
Speaker 2: It's super old.
Speaker 9: And yeah, it's a very vampire it's like horror, but
Speaker 9: camp it is so good. And there was a lot
Speaker 9: of contention around it because I feel like we're in
Speaker 9: this age where the movies that make money right now
Speaker 9: are movies that are either a franchise or they're like
Speaker 9: a remake of an IP, and this was an original
Speaker 9: IP and it made billions. It did so so well.
Speaker 9: You can now stream its on HBO.
Speaker 3: Is it a horror? It's about vampires, so it sounds scary.
Speaker 2: It is scary, but it's kind of note. The broad
Speaker 2: story is yes, Michael B. Jordan places these twins. But
Speaker 2: it's kind of a racial story, it said, in the
Speaker 2: Deep South. It's hard to explain, but basically it's about
Speaker 2: jazz music and music and vampires. And it is so
Speaker 2: original and funny. It's so funny and sexy and good
Speaker 2: and just like Edge of Your Seat, it was great music. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the soundtrack is extraordinary. It's one of those really original
Speaker 2: movies in a familiar genre like vampires. Oh, but it's
Speaker 2: just a very Can.
Speaker 5: I ask a question about it because I watched it
Speaker 5: on a plane. I really enjoyed it, but I desperately
Speaker 5: wanted to then read analysis. Is it like an agree
Speaker 5: for something? Well, I think yes, yeah, but I feel
Speaker 5: as though it had this deeper meaning that I maybe
Speaker 5: didn't quite get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't tell you what that was, I said.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's obviously about racial politics and stuff in
Speaker 2: the in the Deep South in that time, and it's
Speaker 2: about a whole lot of things. But it's also just
Speaker 2: the kind of monster movie that made it through. As
Speaker 2: em said, like everything else is this very bland, cookie
Speaker 2: cutter world, and this just broke through and it did
Speaker 2: massive box office. It was one of the biggest movies
Speaker 2: of the Year, which surprised everybody, but it shouldn't surprise
Speaker 2: anyone because it was a really good time.
Speaker 6: It was so good.
Speaker 9: I've also got another movie suggestion because I knew we
Speaker 9: were going to tag team this one Superman, like the
Speaker 9: New Come on now, really the New Superman film.
Speaker 6: I feel like, if.
Speaker 1: It's just like woke Superman, right, this is what I've heard,
Speaker 1: it's like a good Superman.
Speaker 3: The most powerful being on planet Earth.
Speaker 7: We finally meet.
Speaker 2: Now as planned, I'll destroy you. And of course that
Speaker 2: reporter you always do interviews with.
Speaker 3: Who raised you as a child, I'll kill them too.
Speaker 9: So I feel like, if you're a big superhero nerd
Speaker 9: like me, DC haven't been doing that well.
Speaker 6: She is, Yeah, I think like Marvel's.
Speaker 9: Really overtaken everything. DC hasn't been doing too well. But
Speaker 9: then James Gunn directed the Newest Superman movie. And this
Speaker 9: movie has been done so many times, and this one
Speaker 9: just completely cut through because they just stuck to what
Speaker 9: they know and it's just we just want a hot
Speaker 9: man who muscles, who is so the movie stars David
Speaker 9: corn Sweat. Oh, it's also on HBO, but I watched
Speaker 9: it at.
Speaker 6: The Imax and insane. It's just like a superhero movie.
Speaker 6: You know what you get.
Speaker 2: Take the kids, Take the kids.
Speaker 6: It's a good time.
Speaker 2: Amelia.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked. I have two.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit cheating, but they're both in the
Speaker 1: same genre, and that genre is music biopics. I love
Speaker 1: my music biopics. So in twenty twenty, I feel like
Speaker 1: I got really into sport, Like I was watching sport
Speaker 1: documentaries when we're all at home and I turn to
Speaker 1: my partner and say things.
Speaker 3: Like sports really interesting, and I.
Speaker 1: Straight men love it when you say that. But music
Speaker 1: is really interesting too. And I have two movies to recommend.
Speaker 1: The first is Bob Dylan's biopic, which is called A
Speaker 1: Complete Unknown.
Speaker 2: Starring my friend Tim.
Speaker 3: Your friend Timmy loved that.
Speaker 2: You trapped all the way from Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Why is that?
Speaker 1: Oh the catch you.
Speaker 7: Spoke if you're traveling in the North country?
Speaker 4: Fair, I see, no one wants to hear when you
Speaker 4: can't rule?
Speaker 2: Last month?
Speaker 3: Well, I like your songs.
Speaker 6: 's hit heavy the boardline?
Speaker 2: Who wrote this?
Speaker 8: He did? Remember me?
Speaker 6: How about that?
Speaker 1: John Bayers?
Speaker 2: Because she's pretty sings pretty ones, maybe a little two,
Speaker 2: pretty truly love your signs are like an oil painting
Speaker 2: and the dentist's office, the oscars over. That wasn't Amelia.
Speaker 2: He was brilliant, fabulous. I didn't like it. Oh, I've
Speaker 2: watched it like three times.
Speaker 1: Please hold let me get through it, and then I
Speaker 1: want to hear White. Bruce Springsteen's biopic Delivered Me from Nowhere,
Speaker 1: starring my favorite actor, Jeremy Allen White, and if you
Speaker 1: have anything to say about Jeremy Allen White, please leave.
Speaker 1: I liked it. It's not a great movie. But here's
Speaker 1: what I like about music biopics. The steaks are extremely low.
Speaker 1: The climactic scene of the Bob Dylan movie No Spoiler
Speaker 1: alert required, is whether or not Ed Norton is going
Speaker 1: to succeed in plugging in his guitar into the speaker.
Speaker 3: That is like this scene where you like abiding your nails.
Speaker 3: You're so scared. Is he going to play his electric
Speaker 3: guitar or not?
Speaker 5: I love Genius documentary and it fell into that too.
Speaker 5: I just like watching a genius exist.
Speaker 1: The thing about the Bruce Springstea movie is that it
Speaker 1: proves the point that men would rather release an acoustic
Speaker 1: album than go to therapy, and that's an important realization
Speaker 1: to have, and so I just recommend them both for
Speaker 1: edifying reasons and also because they're very low stakes.
Speaker 3: Now, why didn't you like the Bob Dylan movie?
Speaker 6: He just was a bit of a dick, was me?
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: You're allowed just me.
Speaker 6: We need to stop calling men who are me.
Speaker 2: This could take like I didn't even know any of genius. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we shall move along. O. The one I wanted to
Speaker 2: throw in, apart from Sinners, that I really enjoyed this
Speaker 2: year was a real pain. Oh yes, directed by Jesse Adenberg,
Speaker 2: one Care and Kulkin and Oscar.
Speaker 3: Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice messaging system.
Speaker 1: Bonner is not available.
Speaker 3: Hey, Benji, I just got to the airport. I really
Speaker 3: hope you left the ready air God you made. It's
Speaker 3: because I got some good ship from when we land. Wait,
Speaker 3: you're not like taking weed into Poland, are you yet?
Speaker 2: Benji?
Speaker 3: They don't give a shit about that stuff, and I
Speaker 3: think they very much.
Speaker 2: Do you give a shit?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah?
Speaker 2: Davers and I are cousins.
Speaker 6: We used to be joined at the hip our grandma
Speaker 6: who is from here.
Speaker 3: So data range for us.
Speaker 6: To join this geriatric Polish tour.
Speaker 3: With you fine people.
Speaker 8: That's where we go.
Speaker 2: It's about family. That again sounds as cheerful as your
Speaker 2: documentary going on a Holocaust tour of Poland. It sounds
Speaker 2: so crazy, but it's so funny.
Speaker 4: The dynamic is fantastic.
Speaker 2: And Jesse wrote it and directed it. Not our Jesse,
Speaker 2: Jesse Eisenberg, and I love that so much. Okay, we
Speaker 2: are moving on, Jesse, what are we doing there?
Speaker 5: Coming up from beauty products to books? We are about
Speaker 5: to drop all of our favorite recommendation okay, Holly, next
Speaker 5: we are on two beauty products.
Speaker 4: What was your number one beauty production?
Speaker 2: Really hard to pick one. I know we're doing more
Speaker 2: in our second one, but like, and so I thought, well,
Speaker 2: what did I learn this year in a beauty space sense?
Speaker 2: And two things are when you are older, everything is
Speaker 2: about base everything right. I mean, I know it, maybe
Speaker 2: it always is, but when I was young, I didn't
Speaker 2: really care so much. And my number one thing that
Speaker 2: I've loved this year is my foundation, which is expensive.
Speaker 2: It is why I have not recommended it on the
Speaker 2: show before, but people have often said, like, oh, your
Speaker 2: skin looks nice, that's nice foundation. This is why it
Speaker 2: is one hundred and thirty dollars worth of fancy Mecca
Speaker 2: based foundation. I discovered this year the Ellis Face.
Speaker 4: How do you spell that?
Speaker 2: So it's e L Lis faas Ellis face, and it's
Speaker 2: called skin veil, right. It's medium coverage and it's really
Speaker 2: glowy and it's like one of those sort of serumie
Speaker 2: ones and you can build it up. It's blurry. That's
Speaker 2: what it's supposed to do, is blur. And you know
Speaker 2: how you find a product, You try it and you
Speaker 2: just go oh yes, and then so much so that
Speaker 2: right to the bottom of the bottle and I had
Speaker 2: to immediately replace it because I can't wear anything else now.
Speaker 4: Doesn't last you a long time?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, because I wear it on work
Speaker 2: days mostly and I will tend to reapply in the day,
Speaker 2: but that's just because we're filming and things. It's not
Speaker 2: like a matt stick to your face.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's lighter than that, although you can build it,
Speaker 2: but for me, I just love it.
Speaker 1: What I think listeners need to know is that Holly
Speaker 1: is the glowiest person in this office. I think we
Speaker 1: can on that, so I'd suggest following it recommendation.
Speaker 2: I do love it. But just throwing in a cheeky
Speaker 2: because it is expensive and I'm sorry about that. But
Speaker 2: I'm throwing in the other thing I learned this year,
Speaker 2: which is blush. So I never used to wear blush,
Speaker 2: right really, and now I'm all about the cheek so
Speaker 2: am I Amelia and I've discussed it on the show.
Speaker 2: Off the show. You got to put it high, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, you got to basically put it on your forehead. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've been putting shitloads of blusher on this year. I've
Speaker 2: leaned in and I love them all. My favorite one
Speaker 2: is one from Tart called Marrack. Why do they all
Speaker 2: have such silly Namescouver Marracooja juicy multi stick, which is Tart,
Speaker 2: but there is a dupe of that by m CO
Speaker 2: called the Summer Stick Lip and Cheek Cream, which is
Speaker 2: like ten dollars, so such a cream based I haven't
Speaker 2: put a powder on my face for ten years. That
Speaker 2: powders do not go near this. Ever, It's cream blush
Speaker 2: and I love.
Speaker 4: It all right, I'm going to go next.
Speaker 5: Mine is actually something I haven't recommended on this show yet,
Speaker 5: and Lucra and I have been going to a lot
Speaker 5: of open house.
Speaker 4: It's looking for a place, been a disaster. That's not
Speaker 4: the story.
Speaker 2: You've been stealing things from them.
Speaker 5: The story is that I've been going to open houses
Speaker 5: and I walk in and sometimes I smell this smell
Speaker 5: and I go, I want to buy this house. I'm
Speaker 5: not even mocked, but there is this smell. It is
Speaker 5: the best smell in the world. It smells clean, it
Speaker 5: smells expensive. It's just this freshness. And I ended up
Speaker 5: saying to this real estate agent, you gotta tell me
Speaker 5: what that is, and they said, it is the bays
Speaker 5: room spray.
Speaker 4: The dip teak.
Speaker 2: One dip teek is the fanciest smell in the world.
Speaker 4: It is the fanciest smell in the world.
Speaker 6: I need to smell met.
Speaker 5: But what you need to know about this room spray
Speaker 5: is you spray it in a room. And this is
Speaker 5: what the real estate agent told me. That room becomes
Speaker 5: double the price exactly. You will exponentially increase the value
Speaker 5: of your home. But that scent will stick in that
Speaker 5: room for weeks. Wow, like even more effective than the candle.
Speaker 5: I think the room spray. And she said that she
Speaker 5: was laughing, that that's what they spray when the owner
Speaker 5: has a dog and they're trying to neutralize any doggie
Speaker 5: smell that the person can't have anymore, so they just
Speaker 5: spray it and I can't. It is just if you
Speaker 5: want your house to smell incredible, it is the bays
Speaker 5: be A i e. S Room spray diptick. Yes, it's expensive,
Speaker 5: is one hundred and sixteen dollars, but what a great gift.
Speaker 2: Dip teak candles which are very expensive and posh. They
Speaker 2: just smell like I often get once with my birthday,
Speaker 2: once a year from my friend Tory, and I die amazing.
Speaker 2: The fig one is amazing.
Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaw's candle, as depicted in the original Sex in
Speaker 1: the City was the Bayze candle?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Was it dippy?
Speaker 5: And I also wanted to throw in my bedroom hair.
Speaker 5: Kevin Murphy recommendation forty nine to ninety five or basically
Speaker 5: the beauty hack I learned was that when you do waves,
Speaker 5: you do any texture in your hair, you want a
Speaker 5: texturizing spray rather than like a hair spray that makes
Speaker 5: it hard. So your texturizing spray or your bedroom hair,
Speaker 5: you wake up the next day and it's still fresh.
Speaker 9: Smart, Okay, I am recommending something I recommended before, and
Speaker 9: it's probably the one product I always get complimented on.
Speaker 6: I'm wearing it right now. It is my lipstick.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, I'm so glad you people.
Speaker 9: It is the Sephora Collection new cream lipstain in the
Speaker 9: shade Naughty Burgundy.
Speaker 6: It's twenty six signature shade.
Speaker 9: Signature shade shade like this year, Like I think, I
Speaker 9: don't want to do you find.
Speaker 5: What your signature shade is because I feel like I
Speaker 5: don't know what looks good on me.
Speaker 9: Honestly, I found this by accident. I was just looking
Speaker 9: for a lipstick because I have a really big bottom lip.
Speaker 9: Everything I eat and drink it always touches my chin
Speaker 9: and I get a huge mark on my che I
Speaker 9: was just looking for a lipstick that would stop doing that.
Speaker 6: And this one doesn't budge talk.
Speaker 2: To me about the stainness.
Speaker 9: It stays forever, but like to the point where it
Speaker 9: is really hard when you take your makeup off, Like
Speaker 9: I always have a bit of residue.
Speaker 6: The next morning.
Speaker 9: Is it in a bullet or it's a doe foot
Speaker 9: So it's like a little cream lipstick. It goes on Matt,
Speaker 9: but then it has like a bit of a satiny finish.
Speaker 6: Sometimes I put a gloss on top.
Speaker 9: Of it, but it never looks dry, whereas I feel
Speaker 9: like it doesn't feel dry. Yeah, Like it's not like
Speaker 9: those I feel like the Kylie Jenna lip kit, like
Speaker 9: where we just dry your lips and you would see
Speaker 9: the flakiness of it.
Speaker 6: It doesn't do that, and.
Speaker 4: It doesn't transfer on to teeth or anything because it's
Speaker 4: so stays.
Speaker 9: It is the best. And they have so many shades.
Speaker 9: I think they have around like twenty six shades.
Speaker 3: So good, so glamorous.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do it, Okay, Amelia want you Okay.
Speaker 1: Mine is for elder millennials listening, because, as you know,
Speaker 1: that's how I identify and look. I need to give
Speaker 1: us all a pep talk elder millennials listening. I think
Speaker 1: we're stuck in to make up rut, and I think
Speaker 1: we need to break out of it because we're not
Speaker 1: dead yet. In fact, we're quite young by some metrics,
Speaker 1: probably not by MS, but we are quite young and
Speaker 1: we need to step it up and refresh our makeup routines.
Speaker 1: Consider this your reminders. So Erica Taylor's YouTube videos and
Speaker 1: Instagram videos and TikTok videos are very good and instructional,
Speaker 1: and she talks about how as you age, your face
Speaker 1: appears longer. Whether or not it is longer or not,
Speaker 1: I'm not clear on that, but the poor is babies
Speaker 1: have really wide faces, and then as you get longer,
Speaker 1: your face appears longer and less wide. So what you
Speaker 1: have to do is compensate for the fact that your
Speaker 1: face is less wide by elongating the length of your face. Okay,
Speaker 1: horizon the horizontal width of your face. And one key
Speaker 1: way to do that is through eyeliner. And she says
Speaker 1: you got to go heavy on the eyeliner and extend
Speaker 1: it out beyond the eye to horizontally elongate the face.
Speaker 4: Which is a dangerous game. Amelia.
Speaker 1: It takes technique, it takes I know you're an eyeliner
Speaker 1: queen yourself, so I appreciate that warning.
Speaker 3: But Erica can talk you through it.
Speaker 1: And one key tip is that the dip of your
Speaker 1: eye on the bottom follow that up with the wing.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense, So it's as if your eye
Speaker 1: became longer, you follow the dip. And the one that
Speaker 1: I think is absolutely fool proof is Selena Gomez's The
Speaker 1: Rare beauty eye liner. So is it like a liquid, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's liquid and you got to shake it up to
Speaker 1: get the pigment. Her reb beauty line is designed to
Speaker 1: be very sort of ergonomic, like easy to use for
Speaker 1: people who might have restricted or limited mobility in their hands.
Speaker 1: I don't happen to have that, but I am not
Speaker 1: very skilled at makeup. And the eyeliner is a bit
Speaker 1: fatter than your normal eyeliner, so it's easier to hold,
Speaker 1: easier to control.
Speaker 2: And then is it a little brush.
Speaker 3: It's a little ink brush. Yeah, it's kind of like
Speaker 3: you're a.
Speaker 1: Calligrapher or something she's scamming. And what I love about
Speaker 1: it is the glide. Erica says, you've got a stamp,
Speaker 1: not draw, But it does have a very nice glide
Speaker 1: to It doesn't feel like it's tugging on your eye.
Speaker 6: What does damn not draw me?
Speaker 1: You know how most people do eyeliner by holding their
Speaker 1: eye with their finger, holding the skin near the eye.
Speaker 1: She says, that distorts the shape of your eye. You
Speaker 1: just look at your eye in the mirror and you
Speaker 1: stamp onto the lash line.
Speaker 2: That's what makeup artistone yep, Okay, this is contentious because God,
Speaker 2: I found this very hard to pick. We're going into books,
Speaker 2: Let's start with you and me. Okay.
Speaker 9: I recommended this on the podcast I think earlier this year.
Speaker 9: It's a book by Yulan Kwan and it's called How
Speaker 9: to End a Love Story. It is one of my
Speaker 9: favorite romance novels. I think I've read it about three
Speaker 9: times this year so far. It's about this woman named
Speaker 9: Helen who's an author and her book is about to
Speaker 9: get made into a TV production, and working on the
Speaker 9: TV production is this guy named Grant. And Grant and
Speaker 9: Helen have some history because when Helen was younger, her
Speaker 9: sister died in a tragic car accident and Grant was
Speaker 9: at the wheel. And the story follows her having to
Speaker 9: work with this man who pretty much ruined her life,
Speaker 9: and it just goes into this really intricate love story
Speaker 9: and how that time in your thirties where she's like
Speaker 9: an Asian woman and she's getting all this pressure from
Speaker 9: her family to settle down, and how she can bring
Speaker 9: in someone who was so hurtful to her family back
Speaker 9: into their lives.
Speaker 4: Do I recognize the name of that author? Have they
Speaker 4: written anything else?
Speaker 5: I'm going to look up what else I've written, because
Speaker 5: that's yeah, that's the name I recognize.
Speaker 9: It's just one of those books that I read it
Speaker 9: in a single day because it's just so light and
Speaker 9: easy and it's a bit funny.
Speaker 6: But it's just I just find different.
Speaker 9: Types of love stories, and especially love stories around people
Speaker 9: my age just so interesting.
Speaker 2: Now you're such a romantic, my lin, it's ruining your life.
Speaker 2: One day, we'll have an interiment that's every Friday.
Speaker 9: Every Friday, we'll always find a topic about my love life, Amelia.
Speaker 3: This is a good.
Speaker 1: Book if you're in a bit of a reading rut,
Speaker 1: like you can't seem to find anything. It's because it's
Speaker 1: a short story collection, so you don't need a really
Speaker 1: long concentration span. It's by a favorite author of mine,
Speaker 1: Cootis Sittenfeld. Her most famous book is probably her debut,
Speaker 1: which was called Prep, which is about life in the
Speaker 1: New England boarding school in a seat of coming of
Speaker 1: age story. But I love her writing style. It's very unadorned,
Speaker 1: it's very low key, it's very sardonic. I like books
Speaker 1: with plot, like I don't like being caught up in
Speaker 1: writing over plot, and she's very much plot driven. Her
Speaker 1: short story collection. It's her second short story collection. It's
Speaker 1: called Show Don't Tell. It's stories about middle aged women
Speaker 1: who think a lot but aren't necessarily given a lot
Speaker 1: of attention by the outside world. They have a lot
Speaker 1: of really interesting inner monologues, and she explores us in
Speaker 1: a monologues. I both cried sad tears and tears of
Speaker 1: literal joy while reading these stories. They take you on
Speaker 1: an emotional rollercoaster about you end the book feeling calm
Speaker 1: and uplifted.
Speaker 2: I just adore her.
Speaker 6: She read romantic comedy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that book.
Speaker 2: Oh, she's really good at lots of different things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going to jump in. I found this really hard
Speaker 2: because I don't know how to pick the best of this.
Speaker 2: Because the tactic I went is I was like, WA's
Speaker 2: the book I think about the most that I read
Speaker 2: this year, And it's actually the first book I read
Speaker 2: this year. But it's not new, it's really old. But
Speaker 2: I thought I would throw that one in anyway, right,
Speaker 2: because sometimes you want to read an old book. I
Speaker 2: got recommended by somebody I don't know who, a very
Speaker 2: slight book called Family Happiness by this writer called Laurie Colwyn,
Speaker 2: and she is so good. Oh I got to die.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't really know her. But she's an American writer.
Speaker 2: This book was written in nineteen eighty two. That's how
Speaker 2: old it was. You people weren't born. But like, she
Speaker 2: writes about food and things. But this is a very
Speaker 2: slight novel about a woman in a family in New
Speaker 2: York who appears to have everything very picture perfectly in order.
Speaker 2: She's very enmeshed in her family. She's got the perfect
Speaker 2: husband and the perfect kids, and the parents who live
Speaker 2: around the corner, and yet she's having an affair. And
Speaker 2: it is so good. It is the book that I
Speaker 2: have thought about the most this year, even though it
Speaker 2: was written however many years ago, that is forty odd years.
Speaker 2: So that is the book that I think about the most.
Speaker 2: And then I thought, what is the book that I
Speaker 2: would give someone as a present, particularly a woman, maybe
Speaker 2: someone older, that is new from this year, And that
Speaker 2: for me is Deborah Oswald's One Hundred Years of Betty.
Speaker 2: I recommended this on the show. It is an amazingly
Speaker 2: well thought out book that basically tells the story of
Speaker 2: an Australian woman's life called Betty, of course, who is
Speaker 2: about to turn a hundred, and she looks back on
Speaker 2: her whole life from when she was born in London
Speaker 2: and grew up during the Blitz and then emigrated and
Speaker 2: then all her different friendships and loves and political awakenings
Speaker 2: and sexual awakenings and all this, and it follows her
Speaker 2: through her life and it's just so good and deserves
Speaker 2: so much applause because it's like, what a work. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Holy did you just sneak in two recommendations? You did?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry so anyway, have stopped talking now, But yes,
Speaker 2: it's a great present book, one hundred years of Betty.
Speaker 2: It's funny, it's cute, it's smart. Debra Oswald.
Speaker 5: My book that I have thought about and thought about
Speaker 5: and I just thought was a masterpiece was Elements by
Speaker 5: John Boyne, which I recommended on the show.
Speaker 2: Is that one book, Jesse? Or is that food?
Speaker 4: This is a genius that man understands capitalism? Jesse.
Speaker 5: Some people went and bought Elements, which is a single book.
Speaker 5: Jesse bought the four novellas individually and ended up spending
Speaker 5: sixty dollars on what is one book?
Speaker 6: Were they all released together?
Speaker 5: I think that they were. But you can also buy
Speaker 5: them separately, which I was.
Speaker 3: Like, published, can you tell me what this is?
Speaker 5: Yeah? So there are four novellas which are like Air, Water, Fire, Earth,
Speaker 5: And when I heard that, I went I was all
Speaker 5: a bit thinky isn't it.
Speaker 6: I would have been like Avatar, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. I was like, is this a
Speaker 5: meditation on air?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 4: I don't need that.
Speaker 5: Really, it's about crime when I think about it. The
Speaker 5: first one is about a woman whose husband perpetrated sex
Speaker 5: crimes on he's a swim coach on his students, and
Speaker 5: it doesn't go into that.
Speaker 4: It's not super.
Speaker 5: Graphic or detailed. It's actually about his wife and her culpability.
Speaker 5: All the novellas are connected. The next one is about
Speaker 5: like it'll connect someone who was on that island with
Speaker 5: that woman, and he filmed a teammate in his football
Speaker 5: team committing what we think is an active sexual assault,
Speaker 5: and it follows that. And then the other one is
Speaker 5: about a woman who is a perpetrator of sexual assault,
Speaker 5: which I've never read a book from her perspective, like
Speaker 5: it actually follows her. And then the last one is
Speaker 5: one of her victims, and it all comes round and
Speaker 5: like it's all interconnected. But he is the most beautiful,
Speaker 5: insightful writer. I've never read a writer who can write
Speaker 5: women as well as he writes men young old, like.
Speaker 5: His versatility is insane. He wrote boy in the Stripe Pajamas,
Speaker 5: so he is like a very well known writer, but
Speaker 5: he is brilliant.
Speaker 4: Elements by John Boyne.
Speaker 2: Okay, we are coming back with our favorite free activity
Speaker 2: or best hack, best activity, something that isn't necessarily something
Speaker 2: to buy.
Speaker 9: So I'm going to go first, and this hack I've
Speaker 9: talked about it on the podcast before. It kind of
Speaker 9: crosses over with skincare, but it is my cleansing hack
Speaker 9: where I literally sit in front of the TV. I
Speaker 9: put on an episode of my favorite TV show, whether
Speaker 9: it's like Friends or You Girl, something that's around fifteen
Speaker 9: to twenty minutes long, and I just sit in front
Speaker 9: of the TV and I use an oil cleanser and
Speaker 9: I just cleanse my face and the amount of stuff
Speaker 9: that comes out of my skin is crazy. But it's
Speaker 9: like the only skincare technique I use that immediately leaves
Speaker 9: my skin super soft and hydrated and just really really juicy.
Speaker 1: How about you, Amelia, Mine is getting the newspaper delivered?
Speaker 2: Yes, you've been doing this this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's honestly, what do you mean, it's what's the newspapers?
Speaker 2: Is emna?
Speaker 3: First, you shit on the Bob Dylan when.
Speaker 1: This has been the thing I've done this year that
Speaker 1: I think has done the most to help my general
Speaker 1: disposition and temperament and mood in these very stress times.
Speaker 1: I subscribed to my city's newspaper. It happens to be
Speaker 1: the Sitney Morning Herald, but I'm sure you could pick
Speaker 1: whichever newspaper. It could be delivered in your part of
Speaker 1: Australia and it gets delivered to my front door in
Speaker 1: plastic wraps or if it's raining, that's fine, it doesn't
Speaker 1: get wet.
Speaker 4: What time does a paper get It gets delivered early.
Speaker 3: I would say before six.
Speaker 2: This used to be a job that young people had.
Speaker 3: Question it might be a robot.
Speaker 4: I don't twelve year old.
Speaker 3: But you're not seeing twelve year olds running around time. No,
Speaker 3: it's a really good question.
Speaker 1: And then you bring it inside it and you turn
Speaker 1: the pages and.
Speaker 3: You read it. Here's why it's good. Once you get
Speaker 3: to the end of the newspaper, quite long, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's got the news of the day
Speaker 1: in it like there's a lot going on right now,
Speaker 1: But you get to the end of the newspaper and
Speaker 1: then you were done with the news for that day.
Speaker 1: You know everything you need to know. In fact, you're
Speaker 1: better informed than most people. But you don't need to
Speaker 1: keep scrolling. You've actually hit the end of the news
Speaker 1: for the day and a group of people have already
Speaker 1: decided what you need to know. They've arranged it for you,
Speaker 1: so you get a sense of what you really need
Speaker 1: to know and what is nice to know, and you
Speaker 1: don't infinitely scroll all day because you've already read the news.
Speaker 2: So m the most important news is on the front page.
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 9: And then where that page is and where do they
Speaker 9: do the comics?
Speaker 3: I don't think they do comics.
Speaker 1: But the other thing I will say about why it's
Speaker 1: so great is that it's very social. So when you're
Speaker 1: looking at your phone and you're scrolling your phone, you
Speaker 1: basically have a sign above your head that says go away, right, Like,
Speaker 1: no one wants to interrupt someone on their phone. When
Speaker 1: you're like flipping through the newspaper, people feel free to
Speaker 1: come up to you and start a conversation. People in
Speaker 1: your house. I obviously don't want to speak to strangers
Speaker 1: and cafes about this, but like my children, wik up
Speaker 1: and say, oh, what's that story, or it will spark
Speaker 1: a conversation around the dining table.
Speaker 3: I recommerica.
Speaker 4: I like that a lot.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: My hack has been, as I've talked about a lot
Speaker 5: this year, I have been trying not to buy anything new.
Speaker 5: I have not totally achieved that. There have been moments
Speaker 5: I think pregnancy really threw me through a curveball.
Speaker 2: Do you reckon that you've bought a lot less?
Speaker 5: You're not made that ninety percentI yeah, amazing, right, And
Speaker 5: so I've spoken a lot about deepop, spoken a lot
Speaker 5: about Facebook Marketplace. Now that I've done this for a year,
Speaker 5: I can never go back, like I can't. There are
Speaker 5: certain websites I won't name them that I cannot use
Speaker 5: because I have like.
Speaker 4: A sick feeling when I go on them.
Speaker 5: Right, So now from everything, for I was speaking the
Speaker 5: other week, I needed a belly band for pregnancy, right,
Speaker 5: and that's one hundred and something dollars, and I went,
Speaker 5: I can't buy a new one. I just can't because
Speaker 5: I know that belly bands are sitting in thousands of
Speaker 5: women's homes.
Speaker 4: All around like that. They use it for a certain period.
Speaker 2: Literally only use it for a few months, yes.
Speaker 5: Like talk about landfill is a belly band during pregnant.
Speaker 4: It kind of helps you. It lifts up the pressure
Speaker 4: a bit.
Speaker 2: So really you.
Speaker 5: Only use it for four months maybe, and then it
Speaker 5: just sits there. And so I actually went on Facebook
Speaker 5: marketplace found someone who was a couple of kilometers away
Speaker 5: who had never opened hers and it was sitting in
Speaker 5: her house. I got a brand new one for a
Speaker 5: third of the price, picked it up. The other thing
Speaker 5: has been like Lunar needs a new hat, and I go,
Speaker 5: I just can't.
Speaker 3: Go into West into our old hat she grew out.
Speaker 2: And you should know how often children lose.
Speaker 4: Hats, right, And I go, She's gonna wear this hat
Speaker 4: for one summer. I just can't go and buy a
Speaker 4: new one anymore. It irks me.
Speaker 5: So I go onto my marketplace. I go on to
Speaker 5: deep Hop whatever I find it there is. If you
Speaker 5: go into marketplace, they are selling an entire child's wardrobe
Speaker 5: in size three that you can all bluey coated.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm not on Facebook, as I may have
Speaker 1: asked you, is Deepop okay? Can I use that?
Speaker 3: Is that fine?
Speaker 5: Deepop's great for everything, like literally, So for example, I
Speaker 5: talked about bags, wanting a bag, someone sent me a
Speaker 5: unicorn to this Uniclo bag and I went, it's there
Speaker 5: at the moment for however much, and I went, oh,
Speaker 5: look on deep Hop. I just found exactly the same
Speaker 5: bag on deep Hoop heavily discounted.
Speaker 4: This person had never used it. Like, just whatever you do.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying you need to buy everything second hand,
Speaker 5: but just put it into deeper.
Speaker 1: And have a look ever seen, Like have you ever
Speaker 1: gotten something it didn't meet the description?
Speaker 2: Never?
Speaker 4: Never?
Speaker 5: Like people are really really honest about Sometimes I.
Speaker 2: Get it from deep hop like because the thing that
Speaker 2: I get stuck with with the marketplace is the admin involved,
Speaker 2: like they're having a drive around. And also where I live,
Speaker 2: it's harder not in cities, et cetera. But in deep
Speaker 2: Hop is the seller going to mail it to me?
Speaker 4: Yes, And that's the easier bit.
Speaker 5: So Deeper I probably got it at the same time
Speaker 5: I'd get it if I've got it from uniclo like
Speaker 5: and the person just sends it directly to me. Sometimes
Speaker 5: a person will say Hey, I think you're around the corner.
Speaker 4: Can I just drop it? And I go, yeah, that's fine, Like.
Speaker 5: It's so much better for the environment, and you feel
Speaker 5: good and it's cheaper.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. My last one is it's about
Speaker 2: recipes that I made this year. The most discussed that
Speaker 2: I get asked for the most is the easiest, which
Speaker 2: is Virginia Treoli's green beans.
Speaker 3: Even, I, yes, what does that entail?
Speaker 2: So earlier this year? I think it was earlier this year.
Speaker 2: I interviewed Virginia Treoli, the esteem journalist, about a memoir
Speaker 2: she's written. It's all about side dishes called bit on
Speaker 2: the Side. It's got some great recipes in it. From
Speaker 2: that book. Brent and I our favorite. You would love this, Amelia.
Speaker 2: Brent and I have adopted her Friday night fog, which
Speaker 2: is a cocktail which has the best name because it
Speaker 2: does just give you a Friday night fog, just a
Speaker 2: nice night, which is like it's a pink grapefruit vodka
Speaker 2: ice cold. Yeah, so good. So there's that, But you know,
Speaker 2: drink responsibly, et cetera. But her green beans, her Grandma's
Speaker 2: green beans, is the easiest recipe you'll ever make, and
Speaker 2: they've been bringing me joy all year. And all you
Speaker 2: do is you get so say it's Saturday, and on
Speaker 2: Saturday night, you know you're going to have some meat
Speaker 2: or some fish or whatever with your partner, and you're
Speaker 2: going to have a nice little dinner beans or not
Speaker 2: with your partner, well with anyone.
Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry.
Speaker 2: All you do is you planed to green beans, so
Speaker 2: you boil them really quickly. Actually, she doesn't approve of
Speaker 2: the crunch. She thinks that's a trendy affectation. And then
Speaker 2: your beans should be well cooked. But anyway, green beans cooked,
Speaker 2: and then you put them in a bowl on the
Speaker 2: side in your kitchen with some crush, garlic, some olive oil,
Speaker 2: a splash of wine, vinegar, salt, and pepper, and then
Speaker 2: you just leave them to sit there all afternoon and
Speaker 2: they become the most delicious, soury sweetie. It's not really
Speaker 2: picky because you don't put it so much that it's
Speaker 2: like underwater. You just like dress it like a salad
Speaker 2: kind of and then you just leave it to the side,
Speaker 2: and then when you're going to have your dinner that night,
Speaker 2: you pull them out and these will be the best
Speaker 2: green beans.
Speaker 4: Of your life.
Speaker 2: That is my favorite hack. We've got into cooking a
Speaker 2: bit more this year. Matilda and I made mango pancakes
Speaker 2: and recipe to eats it last weekend and that was
Speaker 2: the most fun anyway. That's that for me. Are we
Speaker 2: at the end of the first episode of Recognized?
Speaker 3: We got to talk all.
Speaker 4: Day about recommendations.
Speaker 2: I love it, which is lucky because out louders, we
Speaker 2: have got another episode coming to you after Christmas on
Speaker 2: the twenty ninth with more recommendations.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for listening to this special episode
Speaker 5: of Mum Maya out Loud. Also, if you've been madly
Speaker 5: reading this time of year, and if you want to
Speaker 5: join us for our summer book club is coming up
Speaker 5: this weekend on Sunday, the twenty eighth of December. The
Speaker 5: book we have been reading is Emily Henry's Great, Big,
Speaker 5: Beautiful Life, and we've got a whole episode coming where
Speaker 5: we debrief and if you are looking for more to
Speaker 5: listen to, every MoMA Maya podcast is curating your summer
Speaker 5: listening right across our network, from pop culture to beauty
Speaker 5: to powerful interviews. There is something for everyone. There's a
Speaker 5: link in our show notes and we will be back
Speaker 5: to regular programming on Monday, the twelfth of January.
Speaker 6: Bye Bye Bye
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