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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia.

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Speaker 2: Podcast from Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily

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Speaker 2: pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Tina Burk.

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Speaker 2: Mummy is pop culture and social editor. I love that

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Speaker 2: you say your title with every time we bring you

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Speaker 2: in here is just so the people know.

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Speaker 1: So the people know, there's two Tina's. Everyone's confused.

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Speaker 2: I'll just be a little bit more mysterious. What is

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Speaker 2: her job outside the skill?

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Speaker 1: She wh hello. No one's asking.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a good thing to hear today because we

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Speaker 2: have much discuss The super Bowl happened yesterday, so we're

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Speaker 2: going to be talking about the halftime show, all the

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Speaker 2: CELEBSI were there, a few interesting celeb sightings, a few

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Speaker 2: commercials that have really got the people talking like they

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Speaker 2: were actually there. To bring in some drama. Plus something

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Speaker 2: that we never thought would happen, the fact that Bianca

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Speaker 2: has given her first ever long form interview, addressing all

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Speaker 2: the scandals and questions and backlash around their wedding and

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Speaker 2: her outfits. You and I have gone through it. Look,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot to say about this. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if the article did what they thought in terms of

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Speaker 2: rehabilitating her image, but it's a fascinating read, so we're

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Speaker 2: going to get into that. But first of all, you

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Speaker 2: were over there grooving in your chair.

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Speaker 1: It's a bad Bunny. I was grooving Bad Bunny, and

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Speaker 1: maybe I will be forever more so, Bad Bunny did

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Speaker 1: the halftime show at the super Bowl and it was

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Speaker 1: just iconic from start to finish. So he opened up

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Speaker 1: with a setting which is like his DeBie tyr Arma's photos,

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Speaker 1: which I can only say what I sing, So I

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Speaker 1: try to sing Busy tyrmus Honestly, look, there was a

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Speaker 1: picture me. The whole episode would just be us in

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Speaker 1: little squeaky voices singing bad bunnies. Then she got away

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Speaker 1: with words it's so hot, so important, that's important, charismatic

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Speaker 1: and what a visionary, what a storyteller. Oh yeah, there

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Speaker 1: was a story and a half being told there.

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Speaker 2: As we know, whoever does a halftime show, like they

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Speaker 2: get a budget, but they don't get paid to do

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Speaker 2: with They often spending some of their own money. But

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Speaker 2: it's like their vision, it's like encompassing their career and

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Speaker 2: their beliefs and their thoughts and their humor all into

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Speaker 2: this one halftime show, so the steaks could not be.

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Speaker 1: Higher, No, And he very much set it up like

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Speaker 1: his stage for his world tour, which if you haven't seen,

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Speaker 1: looks a lot like the way he did for the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So he's kind of got like a replica

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Speaker 1: of like Puerto Rico's sugar cane fields, which means like

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Speaker 1: there's really tall grass. The funniest thing though that I

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Speaker 1: saw was like there were people in tall grass costumes,

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Speaker 1: and then there was also like just like walls of

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Speaker 1: like tall grass, and someone said it was like the

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Speaker 1: trees in Lord of the Rings trees willowing on the

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Speaker 1: Rings via. Yeah, it very much looked like we're like

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Speaker 1: were getting ready for battle. We're getting ready to dance

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Speaker 1: in fact. And then he was like surrounded by just

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Speaker 1: all of these incredible perto Rican traditions, one of them

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Speaker 1: being a paragua stand, which is like shaved ice. So

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Speaker 1: he was very much like setting up the scene, which

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Speaker 1: is similar to the way that the Stadium tour is,

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Speaker 1: so like the stadium tools absolutely stunning and it also

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Speaker 1: features like a setting with her house and then there's

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Speaker 1: people dancing in it. And throughout his tour he had

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Speaker 1: like Austin Butler, They're dancing one night, all these different celebs.

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Speaker 2: Especially with Jessica Alber I'm gonna go out and say

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Speaker 2: this was a great moment for her because she said

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Speaker 2: the whole thing of like she left the entertainment industry

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ny Ramirez, I was.

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Speaker 2: I was just like, I just know him as now

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Speaker 2: as just an Alber's boyfriend. Indeed, but she had a

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Speaker 1: And Pedro it just looks happy to be there. He

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Speaker 2: Like that was just just because everything he's given to

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Speaker 1: So good, and like Lady Gaga kind of did a

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Speaker 1: but they obviously put like a bit of a spin

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Speaker 1: it just felt like such a party and celebration. This

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Speaker 1: Rihanna's was very much like I'm at a concert and

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Speaker 2: So obviously that would have been planned for such a

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Speaker 2: long time, because they rehearsals for this for weeks. But

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Speaker 2: wasn't there like a moment between Bad Bunny and Lady

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Speaker 1: You across this. I didn't know he was upset. I mean,

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Speaker 2: That that man was in his feelings. He was emotional.

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Speaker 1: That'll lead up to that. So whatever she said to

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Speaker 2: I wanted to be twirling around bad Bunny in a

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Speaker 1: But there wasn't that much time for that because he

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Speaker 1: He's surrounded by people. There was a real wedding that

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Speaker 1: took place. There was a beautiful scene where like his

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Speaker 1: just oh. It was so beautiful, And obviously at the

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Speaker 1: that was the subtext, not even the.

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Speaker 2: Subtext, the text around his performance that there was a

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Speaker 2: But it was just also nice to see him come

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Speaker 1: And like, yes, so I'm so excited to see what

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Speaker 1: through the rules. Yeah, so many millions of people love

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Speaker 1: Bad Bunny. So many people just want to tune in

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the numbers were incredible. But even if they

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Speaker 1: was still exceptional. It was so good. I love that

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Speaker 2: many times where he's seeing him just thrilled to be

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Speaker 1: Bugging up a storm. And then as part of like

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Speaker 1: and John just starts like shimming and he's like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: If there's something Emma Stone loves to play, it's a

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Speaker 1: Nicole likes a strong word. I just thought we should

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Speaker 2: exes or how they'd be like Offset was in it

435
00:18:27,314 --> 00:18:28,994
Speaker 2: too and all this sort of thing, and so it's

436
00:18:28,994 --> 00:18:31,274
Speaker 2: almost like I'm in on the joke. But also there's

437
00:18:31,274 --> 00:18:34,234
Speaker 2: so much cachet for being in a super Bowl commercial,

438
00:18:34,314 --> 00:18:37,074
Speaker 2: not just for the money, which is huge, but because

439
00:18:37,154 --> 00:18:39,034
Speaker 2: of how kind of prestigious they're seeing.

440
00:18:39,354 --> 00:18:40,154
Speaker 1: Kennell Jenner did.

441
00:18:40,074 --> 00:18:43,793
Speaker 2: A whole press tour, a multi stop press tour for

442
00:18:43,914 --> 00:18:45,834
Speaker 2: her super Bowl commercial.

443
00:18:45,394 --> 00:18:47,554
Speaker 1: Which is also about all of her exes and makes

444
00:18:47,674 --> 00:18:49,954
Speaker 1: fun of her exes. And this is like answering back

445
00:18:49,994 --> 00:18:50,554
Speaker 1: to that. I don't know.

446
00:18:50,634 --> 00:18:52,553
Speaker 2: I just feel like we're seeing real time art happening,

447
00:18:52,594 --> 00:18:53,874
Speaker 2: and this is fighting through super Bowl.

448
00:18:53,954 --> 00:18:56,914
Speaker 1: There is real time messy behavior on the celeb's part,

449
00:18:57,034 --> 00:18:58,553
Speaker 1: and I don't know, they haven't had a lot of

450
00:18:58,594 --> 00:19:00,914
Speaker 1: mess going on, Like I I like it.

451
00:19:00,954 --> 00:19:02,954
Speaker 2: They've got to cut through the noise. Okay, who else

452
00:19:02,994 --> 00:19:05,354
Speaker 2: did you like? An ad I hated with?

453
00:19:05,594 --> 00:19:08,274
Speaker 1: Okay, fiery passion, Here we go was the Chris Hemsworth

454
00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:12,073
Speaker 1: and Elsa Pataki Ai Alexa ad. Yeah, okay, take us

455
00:19:12,114 --> 00:19:14,313
Speaker 1: through your hatred. What you just hate this man? You

456
00:19:14,354 --> 00:19:17,033
Speaker 1: hate Australia? What is it? No? I love him. I

457
00:19:17,074 --> 00:19:19,954
Speaker 1: love Chris Hemsworth and I love Elsa Pataki and I

458
00:19:20,034 --> 00:19:24,033
Speaker 1: really enjoy them as our national couple treasures, whatever they

459
00:19:24,114 --> 00:19:27,394
Speaker 1: may be, I really like them. However, the ad was

460
00:19:27,474 --> 00:19:31,154
Speaker 1: about Chris essentially plotting the ways that Alexa could use

461
00:19:31,194 --> 00:19:34,674
Speaker 1: Ai to murder him, which is funny, a classic take

462
00:19:34,754 --> 00:19:37,394
Speaker 1: a classic. We've all seen Meek in the movie. We

463
00:19:37,434 --> 00:19:39,914
Speaker 1: all know that AI could kill us one day. Well

464
00:19:39,994 --> 00:19:41,594
Speaker 1: if we don't think about that later.

465
00:19:42,274 --> 00:19:44,674
Speaker 2: I think that all the time, and I don't engage

466
00:19:44,674 --> 00:19:46,394
Speaker 2: with the AI becres when the robots come for us.

467
00:19:46,434 --> 00:19:47,954
Speaker 1: I don't want them to know me. No, And so

468
00:19:48,034 --> 00:19:50,874
Speaker 1: the whole plot is of this commercial is like Chris

469
00:19:50,914 --> 00:19:52,834
Speaker 1: plotting out the ways that could kill him. So he's

470
00:19:52,874 --> 00:19:55,033
Speaker 1: saying that, like he could maybe ask for instructions on

471
00:19:55,074 --> 00:19:57,554
Speaker 1: how to close the garage door, and then Alexa would

472
00:19:57,554 --> 00:19:59,874
Speaker 1: plot so that it shut on his head and decapitated him.

473
00:20:00,034 --> 00:20:02,194
Speaker 1: It would maybe lock him in the pool with its

474
00:20:02,234 --> 00:20:05,114
Speaker 1: smart technology. Maybe it would send a package to him

475
00:20:05,114 --> 00:20:07,554
Speaker 1: and the package would be a grizzly bear that would

476
00:20:07,594 --> 00:20:09,914
Speaker 1: eat him. And famously, grizzly bear is a huge problem

477
00:20:09,954 --> 00:20:12,594
Speaker 1: in Australia, very big deal, very big problem. So that's

478
00:20:12,594 --> 00:20:15,474
Speaker 1: the premise of the ad and then Elsa's like, grow up,

479
00:20:15,554 --> 00:20:17,313
Speaker 1: I've got to leave my AI has done all my

480
00:20:17,354 --> 00:20:19,154
Speaker 1: scheduling for me, and she leaves the house and he's

481
00:20:19,154 --> 00:20:21,434
Speaker 1: like I'm going to die, and so like that's the plot,

482
00:20:21,514 --> 00:20:23,834
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, it's funny, but it's also just incredibly

483
00:20:23,874 --> 00:20:26,634
Speaker 1: strange to me. Yeah, I don't know, Like they're very

484
00:20:26,754 --> 00:20:30,434
Speaker 1: much people who talk about like art and the environment

485
00:20:30,474 --> 00:20:32,714
Speaker 1: and all of these things that do not necessarily Alie

486
00:20:32,754 --> 00:20:33,914
Speaker 1: they promoting.

487
00:20:33,594 --> 00:20:36,514
Speaker 2: Compot, they Bill puts like a shopping center environ Bay.

488
00:20:36,754 --> 00:20:39,273
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it just doesn't necessarily align with doing an

489
00:20:39,314 --> 00:20:42,034
Speaker 1: ad about AI. And also, like at the current point

490
00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:44,434
Speaker 1: in time where people are genuinely scared of AI, I

491
00:20:44,474 --> 00:20:46,274
Speaker 1: don't know that that AD's going to hit the way

492
00:20:46,314 --> 00:20:48,074
Speaker 1: that they want it to. When people are like, we're

493
00:20:48,074 --> 00:20:49,914
Speaker 1: actually scared that AI is going to ruin the world,

494
00:20:49,914 --> 00:20:51,714
Speaker 1: and they're like, and what about this joke about how

495
00:20:51,754 --> 00:20:53,034
Speaker 1: it could also kill us?

496
00:20:53,514 --> 00:20:57,273
Speaker 2: Yeah, something stranger. Yeah, Chris Hems, he's chasing the high

497
00:20:57,354 --> 00:20:59,354
Speaker 2: that he got from the first time he discovered he

498
00:20:59,394 --> 00:21:00,754
Speaker 2: could be funny as Thor.

499
00:21:01,394 --> 00:21:01,594
Speaker 1: Yeah.

500
00:21:01,754 --> 00:21:04,194
Speaker 2: I remember the first time he did that, and they

501
00:21:04,234 --> 00:21:07,394
Speaker 2: took Thor from being the serious kind of the god

502
00:21:07,394 --> 00:21:09,674
Speaker 2: of the Avengers, and then he and Tyger of their

503
00:21:09,674 --> 00:21:12,834
Speaker 2: own mission went a little bit too far and they're

504
00:21:12,834 --> 00:21:16,034
Speaker 2: like they're like, yeah, sorry, what was like a fun

505
00:21:16,074 --> 00:21:19,514
Speaker 2: little moment. Then they made into a whole crazy thaw

506
00:21:19,674 --> 00:21:22,793
Speaker 2: love and thunder that's on right yeah, where Yeah, but

507
00:21:22,954 --> 00:21:25,474
Speaker 2: just so off kilter, just so off kilter. I mean

508
00:21:25,474 --> 00:21:27,553
Speaker 2: it was like looking into Tiger's head of like a

509
00:21:27,554 --> 00:21:29,834
Speaker 2: fever dream. Yeah, and it's not often that people get

510
00:21:29,834 --> 00:21:33,714
Speaker 2: to make a fever dream into a multimillion dollar Marvel movie.

511
00:21:33,874 --> 00:21:34,194
Speaker 1: Yeah.

512
00:21:34,234 --> 00:21:36,273
Speaker 2: And now they've like even Chris has gone like, we

513
00:21:36,274 --> 00:21:38,314
Speaker 2: went too far. I got two carried away being funny,

514
00:21:38,354 --> 00:21:39,914
Speaker 2: fair enough happened to all of us, and he's going

515
00:21:39,994 --> 00:21:40,994
Speaker 2: to rein it back in.

516
00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:44,474
Speaker 1: But I think that this commercial was to shine and look,

517
00:21:44,514 --> 00:21:47,114
Speaker 1: I'm obviously like it's just an ad, but I was like, guys,

518
00:21:47,154 --> 00:21:49,033
Speaker 1: I don't know about this one, but you do.

519
00:21:49,474 --> 00:21:51,634
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure they loved their big payday for it,

520
00:21:52,154 --> 00:21:55,033
Speaker 2: and so any celebs in the crowds that appealed to you,

521
00:21:55,074 --> 00:21:57,234
Speaker 2: apart from John Hann dancing his little heart out on

522
00:21:57,274 --> 00:21:59,074
Speaker 2: the side of the field.

523
00:21:58,914 --> 00:22:01,354
Speaker 1: Well, for one, I hope they play the commercials on

524
00:22:01,394 --> 00:22:03,434
Speaker 1: the big screen at the Super Bowl because Travis Kelsey

525
00:22:03,874 --> 00:22:06,954
Speaker 1: was there. Yeah, of course from me, but my actual

526
00:22:07,114 --> 00:22:09,594
Speaker 1: it's my favorite celebrity moment was Kim Kardashian and Lewis

527
00:22:09,594 --> 00:22:12,874
Speaker 1: Hamilton making it Super Bowl Official by attending the game.

528
00:22:12,714 --> 00:22:15,594
Speaker 2: Together, which is just so weird. No, I'm sure that

529
00:22:15,634 --> 00:22:17,914
Speaker 2: they loved that as their role. I love people magazines

530
00:22:17,954 --> 00:22:21,274
Speaker 2: reporting that, like we've confirmed the multiple sources it is romantic.

531
00:22:21,394 --> 00:22:23,073
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, yes, thank you people. We got that,

532
00:22:23,914 --> 00:22:24,674
Speaker 1: we got it.

533
00:22:26,074 --> 00:22:28,434
Speaker 2: I know when the first lot of photos came out

534
00:22:28,514 --> 00:22:30,914
Speaker 2: that I was one of the fence. It is just

535
00:22:30,954 --> 00:22:32,714
Speaker 2: in the fact that I was just holding some space

536
00:22:32,794 --> 00:22:35,354
Speaker 2: and some grace for the fact that these two people

537
00:22:35,434 --> 00:22:37,434
Speaker 2: Lewis and Kim, have known it to for a very

538
00:22:37,434 --> 00:22:39,714
Speaker 2: long time, and they move in the same circles, and

539
00:22:39,794 --> 00:22:41,954
Speaker 2: so them getting out of one car at a location

540
00:22:42,074 --> 00:22:44,754
Speaker 2: together not this huge kind of blow up, but then

541
00:22:45,314 --> 00:22:48,594
Speaker 2: them traveling to a second location together a second location

542
00:22:48,954 --> 00:22:51,434
Speaker 2: means you're hook it up. Yeah. And them having their

543
00:22:51,514 --> 00:22:54,434
Speaker 2: romantic dinner, and them traveling together and all the reports

544
00:22:54,434 --> 00:22:56,714
Speaker 2: that he was on her private jet and all those

545
00:22:56,754 --> 00:22:59,114
Speaker 2: things does lead me to believe they are in fact

546
00:22:59,634 --> 00:23:00,634
Speaker 2: romantically involved.

547
00:23:00,714 --> 00:23:02,914
Speaker 1: Thank you people for that. I just want to be

548
00:23:02,954 --> 00:23:04,994
Speaker 1: a fly on the wall or like a guest in

549
00:23:04,994 --> 00:23:07,594
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl suite with them, just to because I

550
00:23:07,594 --> 00:23:09,114
Speaker 1: don't get it. I don't buy it. What do you

551
00:23:09,154 --> 00:23:11,554
Speaker 1: mean don't get it? I don't understand the two rich,

552
00:23:11,594 --> 00:23:13,674
Speaker 1: hot people who have all the same friends. Who else

553
00:23:13,674 --> 00:23:16,154
Speaker 1: are they getting dated if they weren't dating normally in

554
00:23:16,154 --> 00:23:18,434
Speaker 1: that situation, I agree with you and concur when everyone's

555
00:23:18,434 --> 00:23:21,074
Speaker 1: always like what a Timmy and Kylie chat about anything anything,

556
00:23:21,114 --> 00:23:25,994
Speaker 1: Skuy's a limit. Yeah, Kim and Lewis, really, I just

557
00:23:26,114 --> 00:23:28,354
Speaker 1: don't see it and not And she's a smart lady,

558
00:23:28,354 --> 00:23:30,074
Speaker 1: She's a talented lady. I don't have a problem with

559
00:23:30,114 --> 00:23:31,513
Speaker 1: who she did. I think she made a hell of

560
00:23:31,514 --> 00:23:34,273
Speaker 1: a lot more sense with Pete Davidson, I just don't know.

561
00:23:34,354 --> 00:23:37,674
Speaker 1: It was my favorite era is. I really like Lewis,

562
00:23:37,714 --> 00:23:40,513
Speaker 1: I like f one, I really like him. Well whatever,

563
00:23:40,554 --> 00:23:41,074
Speaker 1: Sometimes I.

564
00:23:40,994 --> 00:23:42,474
Speaker 2: Love it, but I think that they both seem to

565
00:23:42,514 --> 00:23:44,994
Speaker 2: I think they just talk about building brands and business

566
00:23:44,994 --> 00:23:45,874
Speaker 2: and being famous.

567
00:23:46,114 --> 00:23:48,594
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not even worried about what they talk looking

568
00:23:48,634 --> 00:23:50,834
Speaker 1: at them, like, I'm not seeing chemistry.

569
00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:54,114
Speaker 2: That is a hard thing because living through the Pete

570
00:23:54,114 --> 00:23:56,914
Speaker 2: and Kim years, the chemistry was we didn't know we had.

571
00:23:57,154 --> 00:24:01,394
Speaker 2: The chemistry was chalpable, and the whole kind of like yeah,

572
00:24:01,474 --> 00:24:03,553
Speaker 2: from the from like seeing them kiss on the for

573
00:24:03,554 --> 00:24:06,874
Speaker 2: the first time on Saturday Night Live and then seeing

574
00:24:06,874 --> 00:24:09,194
Speaker 2: them like go to that. This thing is Kim Kardashian.

575
00:24:09,234 --> 00:24:11,474
Speaker 2: Whenever she wants to be seen with someone, she like

576
00:24:11,634 --> 00:24:13,834
Speaker 2: very artfully picks how she wants it to be seen,

577
00:24:13,914 --> 00:24:16,394
Speaker 2: so we know that anytime anything comes out, it's like

578
00:24:16,434 --> 00:24:18,834
Speaker 2: by her design. And the fact that member how Sheen

579
00:24:18,954 --> 00:24:21,754
Speaker 2: and Pete were photographed on the roller coaster holding hands.

580
00:24:21,954 --> 00:24:24,914
Speaker 1: She beautiful love. Everyone was obsessed with them.

581
00:24:25,114 --> 00:24:27,273
Speaker 2: And then after The Kadashians premiere when they were like

582
00:24:27,314 --> 00:24:29,674
Speaker 2: at that restaurant with all the pizza and the wine

583
00:24:29,674 --> 00:24:32,114
Speaker 2: glasses around them, all snuggled up in the corner.

584
00:24:31,954 --> 00:24:33,554
Speaker 1: It was all very curated yea.

585
00:24:33,754 --> 00:24:35,714
Speaker 2: And even when he was on The Kardashians, like running

586
00:24:35,714 --> 00:24:37,474
Speaker 2: around the background, jumping in the shower with her, it

587
00:24:37,514 --> 00:24:37,954
Speaker 2: was all a thing.

588
00:24:38,194 --> 00:24:40,954
Speaker 1: There was just so much buzz. This feels like two

589
00:24:41,274 --> 00:24:44,834
Speaker 1: people just near each other. It's that's fine. I can't

590
00:24:44,874 --> 00:24:45,394
Speaker 1: tell much more.

591
00:24:46,914 --> 00:24:49,754
Speaker 2: Well that the camera was really on them, watching them,

592
00:24:49,754 --> 00:24:52,674
Speaker 2: and they were talking and laughing and like looking quite happy.

593
00:24:52,714 --> 00:24:54,553
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was one of those things. It's like

594
00:24:54,554 --> 00:24:58,674
Speaker 2: if we hadn't had the intel of their europe adventures,

595
00:24:58,914 --> 00:25:02,034
Speaker 2: then that could have been like best friends two best friends.

596
00:25:03,114 --> 00:25:04,714
Speaker 1: But yeah, what I can't wait to see her on

597
00:25:04,714 --> 00:25:07,914
Speaker 1: the f one grid like, sure, she's gonna rock. Yeah.

598
00:25:07,994 --> 00:25:10,114
Speaker 2: Also, I guess they decided that was the moment they

599
00:25:10,154 --> 00:25:12,994
Speaker 2: wanted to have their official public outing. And we know

600
00:25:13,034 --> 00:25:15,114
Speaker 2: that Kim Kardashian above all, And this is actually, this

601
00:25:15,194 --> 00:25:16,833
Speaker 2: is what I really like about Kim Kardashian is that

602
00:25:16,834 --> 00:25:19,234
Speaker 2: she's so honest about the fact that she loves being famous.

603
00:25:19,514 --> 00:25:22,674
Speaker 2: She loves people talking about her, she loves creating a moment,

604
00:25:22,714 --> 00:25:24,354
Speaker 2: and she puts a lot of thought into it. And

605
00:25:24,394 --> 00:25:25,754
Speaker 2: she's not one of those people who's like, oh, I

606
00:25:25,794 --> 00:25:28,554
Speaker 2: can't believe people cared that I wore that naked dress.

607
00:25:28,554 --> 00:25:30,074
Speaker 2: So I can't believe people care that I kissed that

608
00:25:30,114 --> 00:25:31,793
Speaker 2: famous man. It's like, of course, you know they're going

609
00:25:31,834 --> 00:25:32,154
Speaker 2: to care.

610
00:25:32,234 --> 00:25:32,434
Speaker 1: Yeah.

611
00:25:32,434 --> 00:25:33,914
Speaker 2: And so the fact that she's always like, yeah, I

612
00:25:33,914 --> 00:25:36,234
Speaker 2: did that on purpose, I quite respect her for that.

613
00:25:36,554 --> 00:25:39,514
Speaker 2: So I do respect her role out of the Lewis relationship.

614
00:25:39,594 --> 00:25:41,994
Speaker 2: I just Kim, I just think a bit more, give

615
00:25:42,074 --> 00:25:44,714
Speaker 2: us a bit more. I'm not filling in enough of

616
00:25:44,754 --> 00:25:45,914
Speaker 2: the fantasy elements.

617
00:25:46,314 --> 00:25:48,634
Speaker 1: Yeah, and such a start a conversation. I've already had

618
00:25:48,954 --> 00:25:52,914
Speaker 1: such a life. But like, yeah, look good for them,

619
00:25:52,994 --> 00:25:54,794
Speaker 1: I guess. But I like seeing them and I liked

620
00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:57,634
Speaker 1: going This gives me hope there'll be more. I guess

621
00:25:57,874 --> 00:25:58,554
Speaker 1: it's my whole thing.

622
00:25:58,554 --> 00:26:00,194
Speaker 2: And I just love Kim kardash and going to Sup

623
00:26:00,234 --> 00:26:02,394
Speaker 2: Bawl being like, I'm gonna steal it, take those headlines

624
00:26:02,394 --> 00:26:04,554
Speaker 2: and make it about me respect Yeah, and she has,

625
00:26:06,074 --> 00:26:07,994
Speaker 2: so I guess I'll just address the awkwardness of going

626
00:26:08,114 --> 00:26:11,714
Speaker 2: straight from Kim Kardashian to Kanye West and Bianka Sensory.

627
00:26:11,794 --> 00:26:13,834
Speaker 2: But that is the moment where we find ourselves in

628
00:26:13,874 --> 00:26:15,994
Speaker 2: and it's actually nice knowing that everything that Kim went

629
00:26:16,034 --> 00:26:18,674
Speaker 2: through with Kanye West and what she's spoken about that

630
00:26:18,754 --> 00:26:22,514
Speaker 2: she's now in a suite with Lewis Hamilton. She deserves

631
00:26:22,514 --> 00:26:25,194
Speaker 2: that while these two are also having their moment in

632
00:26:25,234 --> 00:26:29,914
Speaker 2: another country. So Bianka Sensory, Australian woman who has been

633
00:26:29,954 --> 00:26:32,154
Speaker 2: married to Kanye West for a few years now and

634
00:26:32,474 --> 00:26:35,434
Speaker 2: famously never speaks, never gives her opinion, we don't know

635
00:26:35,514 --> 00:26:38,994
Speaker 2: much about her, has given her first long form interview

636
00:26:39,154 --> 00:26:42,313
Speaker 2: to Vanity Fair. A long form interview. It is correct,

637
00:26:42,314 --> 00:26:44,194
Speaker 2: but it needed to be is what is around three

638
00:26:44,234 --> 00:26:44,754
Speaker 2: thousand words.

639
00:26:44,794 --> 00:26:45,714
Speaker 1: It needed to be that.

640
00:26:45,754 --> 00:26:50,114
Speaker 2: Much to give her the opportunity to speak on all

641
00:26:50,114 --> 00:26:52,634
Speaker 2: these huge stories that her name has been attached to

642
00:26:52,714 --> 00:26:55,474
Speaker 2: but she's never commented on, and also for the author

643
00:26:55,514 --> 00:26:57,954
Speaker 2: to paint a picture of this world that she stepped

644
00:26:57,994 --> 00:27:00,954
Speaker 2: into in order to be able to interview and write

645
00:27:00,954 --> 00:27:03,834
Speaker 2: about Bianker Sensory. So it was a vanity fair and

646
00:27:03,914 --> 00:27:07,914
Speaker 2: the headline reads Bianker Sensory uncensored for the first time,

647
00:27:08,154 --> 00:27:11,194
Speaker 2: Kanye West's wife is speaking for herself. And then the

648
00:27:11,194 --> 00:27:14,834
Speaker 2: little tagline under that is she's known mostly for her nakedness,

649
00:27:14,874 --> 00:27:18,074
Speaker 2: which true, Yeah, her marriage to Ya who wanted at

650
00:27:18,194 --> 00:27:20,874
Speaker 2: least when this story began for the spotlight to fall

651
00:27:20,874 --> 00:27:24,434
Speaker 2: on his wife, and in interviews with Anna Peal, Sensora.

652
00:27:24,114 --> 00:27:25,594
Speaker 1: Reveals the rest of herself.

653
00:27:25,794 --> 00:27:28,434
Speaker 2: So yes, Anna Peele has done the interview for this

654
00:27:28,754 --> 00:27:30,834
Speaker 2: And what's really interesting is how it was even set

655
00:27:30,914 --> 00:27:33,594
Speaker 2: up because she talks sort of like halfway through the

656
00:27:33,634 --> 00:27:36,874
Speaker 2: profile about the fact that after the Grammys moment happened

657
00:27:36,954 --> 00:27:39,954
Speaker 2: last year with Bianca and Kanye when they rocked up

658
00:27:39,954 --> 00:27:43,394
Speaker 2: to the Red carpet, there were allegations that they were

659
00:27:43,474 --> 00:27:45,594
Speaker 2: not invited or had an RCP they weren't allowed in.

660
00:27:45,674 --> 00:27:48,114
Speaker 2: But the biggest story from that was when Bianca dropped

661
00:27:48,154 --> 00:27:50,514
Speaker 2: her coat and was like, had a fully naked.

662
00:27:50,714 --> 00:27:53,554
Speaker 1: Yeah, naked meeting to naked dress which was just sleep

663
00:27:53,594 --> 00:27:54,434
Speaker 1: through mesh material.

664
00:27:54,594 --> 00:27:56,833
Speaker 2: And Anna the journalist was saying that after that, she

665
00:27:56,874 --> 00:27:58,273
Speaker 2: was desperate to get in touch with them. She was

666
00:27:58,274 --> 00:28:00,874
Speaker 2: trying to go through Ya's press and like through the

667
00:28:00,914 --> 00:28:04,234
Speaker 2: yeasy press offices, wasn't getting anything from that, and so

668
00:28:04,274 --> 00:28:07,314
Speaker 2: she's like, I just guessed Bianca Sensory's email.

669
00:28:07,554 --> 00:28:07,874
Speaker 1: What is it?

670
00:28:07,954 --> 00:28:11,834
Speaker 2: Must be Biancasensory at gmail dot com. Every other journal

671
00:28:11,954 --> 00:28:14,714
Speaker 2: is like, oh, why didn't I think of thinking of

672
00:28:14,754 --> 00:28:16,954
Speaker 2: that girl. You gotta put a secret letter or number

673
00:28:16,954 --> 00:28:21,594
Speaker 2: in there. But she guessed Bianca's personal email address is

674
00:28:21,594 --> 00:28:24,114
Speaker 2: what she says in this article, and cold emailed her

675
00:28:24,314 --> 00:28:26,313
Speaker 2: explaining what she wanted to do and to give her

676
00:28:26,354 --> 00:28:29,594
Speaker 2: a voice, which led to her doing this long form

677
00:28:29,634 --> 00:28:32,114
Speaker 2: interview and spending quite a bit of time with Bianca.

678
00:28:32,674 --> 00:28:34,634
Speaker 2: What were your thoughts, especially on the beginning when she

679
00:28:34,714 --> 00:28:37,154
Speaker 2: kind of sets the scene of sitting down with her

680
00:28:37,514 --> 00:28:38,754
Speaker 2: in soul for the first time.

681
00:28:39,114 --> 00:28:41,114
Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting that the first line

682
00:28:41,114 --> 00:28:44,234
Speaker 1: of the article is Bianca Sensori says she's done being naked,

683
00:28:44,554 --> 00:28:47,394
Speaker 1: and the cover image directly above it is Bianka Sensory

684
00:28:47,474 --> 00:28:50,634
Speaker 1: naked on a horse, but you can't sing anything her hair.

685
00:28:50,754 --> 00:28:52,994
Speaker 1: It's artful, right, Like they've covered all of her body.

686
00:28:53,034 --> 00:28:55,434
Speaker 1: But the first sentence is Bianka Sensori, so she's done

687
00:28:55,434 --> 00:28:57,634
Speaker 1: being naked. And then it just goes into thousands of

688
00:28:57,634 --> 00:28:59,954
Speaker 1: words as to why she was naked, why she made

689
00:28:59,994 --> 00:29:02,594
Speaker 1: these choices, if they were even her own choices. I

690
00:29:02,594 --> 00:29:04,554
Speaker 1: think as it started to unravel and it was talking

691
00:29:04,554 --> 00:29:06,914
Speaker 1: about like how they reached out to her. The way

692
00:29:06,874 --> 00:29:09,394
Speaker 1: a lot of the quotes were framed was really interesting

693
00:29:09,434 --> 00:29:10,794
Speaker 1: to me, Like I could not tell, and I guess

694
00:29:10,834 --> 00:29:13,474
Speaker 1: that's the point, And maybe the author also couldn't tell.

695
00:29:13,514 --> 00:29:15,674
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you on her side or not? Yeah?

696
00:29:15,714 --> 00:29:18,234
Speaker 1: And also I guess it's good writing that I can't tell, right, Like,

697
00:29:18,714 --> 00:29:20,634
Speaker 1: it was just really interesting that some of the stuff

698
00:29:20,714 --> 00:29:23,234
Speaker 1: like was framed in a way almost where it was

699
00:29:23,354 --> 00:29:25,714
Speaker 1: judging or like trying to set me up to judge

700
00:29:25,754 --> 00:29:28,994
Speaker 1: Bianca at points. Yeah, Like, and I do have judgment

701
00:29:28,994 --> 00:29:31,634
Speaker 1: of Bianca, so that's also probably me reading it that way.

702
00:29:31,634 --> 00:29:33,394
Speaker 1: But it's like, in twenty twenty five, she was the

703
00:29:33,434 --> 00:29:35,874
Speaker 1: most googled woman in the entire world, which she requests

704
00:29:35,914 --> 00:29:37,794
Speaker 1: I point out to the editor of Vanity Fair in

705
00:29:37,834 --> 00:29:40,074
Speaker 1: a bid for the cover. So throughout those lines like

706
00:29:40,154 --> 00:29:42,314
Speaker 1: that where the journalist is like, oh, and she wants this,

707
00:29:42,834 --> 00:29:45,154
Speaker 1: but it's like it's actually probably presented without judgment, but

708
00:29:45,194 --> 00:29:46,114
Speaker 1: I'm reading it as that.

709
00:29:46,434 --> 00:29:48,674
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's always interesting when you get those little slithers

710
00:29:48,794 --> 00:29:51,394
Speaker 2: of what the talent and the person, what the subject

711
00:29:51,394 --> 00:29:53,194
Speaker 2: of the interview is asking from the side, and how

712
00:29:53,234 --> 00:29:55,674
Speaker 2: much of that the journalist chooses to put in. Yeah,

713
00:29:55,714 --> 00:29:57,594
Speaker 2: because yeah, obviously.

714
00:29:57,194 --> 00:29:59,314
Speaker 1: She is like pushing for the cover for this Yeah,

715
00:29:59,314 --> 00:30:01,794
Speaker 1: and as most people would, Yeah, exactly, especially if it's

716
00:30:01,794 --> 00:30:04,274
Speaker 1: her first big interview and she's giving so much real

717
00:30:04,394 --> 00:30:07,074
Speaker 1: estate from her life and like pulling the mystery off

718
00:30:07,234 --> 00:30:08,834
Speaker 1: a bit, like it's a bit of a price to pay.

719
00:30:09,154 --> 00:30:11,274
Speaker 2: And then she's also being held accountable for things that

720
00:30:11,354 --> 00:30:13,634
Speaker 2: Kanye has done. It's like pulling her into this big web.

721
00:30:13,714 --> 00:30:16,514
Speaker 2: So I think, like, she wants the most exposure for

722
00:30:16,554 --> 00:30:18,594
Speaker 2: this art show that she's working on, which is why

723
00:30:18,634 --> 00:30:21,234
Speaker 2: she's also doing this interview, and yeah, to be like

724
00:30:21,314 --> 00:30:23,954
Speaker 2: she knows that last year she was the most googled

725
00:30:23,954 --> 00:30:26,034
Speaker 2: woman in the world, which is crazy but also kind

726
00:30:26,074 --> 00:30:29,834
Speaker 2: of tracks because so much around her, Like the conversation

727
00:30:29,994 --> 00:30:31,874
Speaker 2: on her was linked to photos. I guess people are

728
00:30:31,874 --> 00:30:34,274
Speaker 2: really wanting to people one wanting to see her naked,

729
00:30:34,594 --> 00:30:37,074
Speaker 2: but also wanting to see the spectacle of her and Kanye,

730
00:30:37,234 --> 00:30:39,994
Speaker 2: you know, out and about in different cities posing naked,

731
00:30:40,074 --> 00:30:41,914
Speaker 2: being kicked off her red carpet, and other things that

732
00:30:41,914 --> 00:30:44,914
Speaker 2: we'll get into that happened that she talks about now.

733
00:30:45,274 --> 00:30:47,034
Speaker 2: She even says, like at the top of the article,

734
00:30:47,194 --> 00:30:51,354
Speaker 2: that she had an obsession with nudity and that's something

735
00:30:51,394 --> 00:30:54,034
Speaker 2: that she's had all of her life, and then says,

736
00:30:54,074 --> 00:30:56,514
Speaker 2: I was naked everywhere I didn't detach.

737
00:30:56,234 --> 00:30:57,034
Speaker 1: From at any point.

738
00:30:57,074 --> 00:30:59,874
Speaker 2: I consistently show the same imagery over and over again,

739
00:31:00,154 --> 00:31:02,554
Speaker 2: and talks about that being linked to her artwork and

740
00:31:02,594 --> 00:31:05,394
Speaker 2: how she like perceives herself. I did find that really

741
00:31:05,434 --> 00:31:07,434
Speaker 2: interesting because I guess the question we've always been asking,

742
00:31:07,514 --> 00:31:10,834
Speaker 2: right like is this her choice? Which they directly say

743
00:31:10,874 --> 00:31:11,394
Speaker 2: in the article.

744
00:31:11,434 --> 00:31:13,234
Speaker 1: It's like they want to know whether she's silent because

745
00:31:13,234 --> 00:31:15,034
Speaker 1: she's not been allowed to speak. They want to ask

746
00:31:15,314 --> 00:31:17,274
Speaker 1: what I did a year ago, which is is she okay?

747
00:31:17,314 --> 00:31:18,634
Speaker 1: But all of that has been tied to like this

748
00:31:18,754 --> 00:31:22,074
Speaker 1: nakedness and this increasing nakedness at like public events or

749
00:31:22,354 --> 00:31:25,874
Speaker 1: like shows or in photography, and like it was that

750
00:31:25,954 --> 00:31:28,314
Speaker 1: whole thing of like it would be okay if she

751
00:31:28,354 --> 00:31:30,194
Speaker 1: had a voice, like if we knew she wanted this,

752
00:31:30,314 --> 00:31:32,474
Speaker 1: or if we knew that this was a conscious decision

753
00:31:32,514 --> 00:31:34,954
Speaker 1: that she was making for herself, but it wasn't always

754
00:31:34,954 --> 00:31:38,154
Speaker 1: clear based on how Kanye has treated Kim Kardashian in

755
00:31:38,194 --> 00:31:40,314
Speaker 1: the past. Yeah, it wasn't always clear if this was

756
00:31:40,354 --> 00:31:42,914
Speaker 1: something Bianco wanted. And so she is kind of outwardly

757
00:31:42,954 --> 00:31:45,794
Speaker 1: in this interview saying like this is my artistic choice

758
00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:47,794
Speaker 1: and this is what I've done for myself and now

759
00:31:47,794 --> 00:31:49,834
Speaker 1: I'm also done. Was an interesting part too, that she's

760
00:31:49,874 --> 00:31:52,314
Speaker 1: like I'm not doing nudity anymore. Yeah, it is interesting

761
00:31:52,314 --> 00:31:55,154
Speaker 1: because I think she is definitely trying to frame herself

762
00:31:55,154 --> 00:31:59,234
Speaker 1: in this article as like a real yeah, as an artist,

763
00:31:59,274 --> 00:32:01,594
Speaker 1: as a professional woman who got a job at easy,

764
00:32:01,674 --> 00:32:03,594
Speaker 1: and like she does talk about falling in love with Kanye,

765
00:32:03,634 --> 00:32:05,754
Speaker 1: which we know happened like not long after he broke

766
00:32:05,834 --> 00:32:08,394
Speaker 1: up with Kim, and also knowing what we know now

767
00:32:08,394 --> 00:32:10,074
Speaker 1: about that time too, because in my head, I was

768
00:32:10,114 --> 00:32:13,874
Speaker 1: like reading this article and I was reading Bianca's version

769
00:32:13,914 --> 00:32:16,034
Speaker 1: of events of falling in love with her now husband.

770
00:32:16,154 --> 00:32:18,994
Speaker 1: But I also had in my head the content that

771
00:32:18,994 --> 00:32:21,154
Speaker 1: I've seen on the Kardashians of like kim sart of

772
00:32:21,154 --> 00:32:24,474
Speaker 1: the breakup, but also that documentary that was filmed by

773
00:32:24,674 --> 00:32:28,114
Speaker 1: one of Kanye's team members who had hundreds and hundreds

774
00:32:28,114 --> 00:32:30,314
Speaker 1: and hundreds of hours of footage and never stopped recording

775
00:32:30,354 --> 00:32:32,754
Speaker 1: Kanye West, and a lot of that footage was edited

776
00:32:32,754 --> 00:32:35,354
Speaker 1: together and released as a documentary. And some of the

777
00:32:35,354 --> 00:32:38,354
Speaker 1: scenes that documentary, like you can't read them either way,

778
00:32:38,754 --> 00:32:42,754
Speaker 1: like the scene of Kanye West screaming and being violent

779
00:32:42,834 --> 00:32:46,194
Speaker 1: towards Kim Kardashian while she was sobbing. I'm sure people say, like, oh,

780
00:32:46,194 --> 00:32:47,794
Speaker 1: but you haven't seen the whole story, but like even

781
00:32:47,834 --> 00:32:50,154
Speaker 1: that snippett is enough to show me some of the

782
00:32:50,274 --> 00:32:53,474
Speaker 1: like terror and like violence or just like you know,

783
00:32:53,594 --> 00:32:57,394
Speaker 1: emotional abuse and just like how dangerous that house seemed

784
00:32:57,394 --> 00:33:00,034
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, And so I've got that in my

785
00:33:00,114 --> 00:33:03,434
Speaker 1: head of like seeing that footage and even seeing it

786
00:33:03,474 --> 00:33:05,594
Speaker 1: in isolation without seeing like the rest of their life

787
00:33:05,594 --> 00:33:07,674
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, it's enough to make you think this

788
00:33:07,794 --> 00:33:10,994
Speaker 1: was a terrible situation for these people. And then hearing

789
00:33:10,994 --> 00:33:14,634
Speaker 1: Bianca san Sorry's story of like she graduated and like

790
00:33:14,674 --> 00:33:17,434
Speaker 1: someone reached out to her from Yeasy because of artwork

791
00:33:17,474 --> 00:33:19,274
Speaker 1: that she had posted, and so she got a job

792
00:33:19,314 --> 00:33:21,354
Speaker 1: at Easy. And she just said that she worked so

793
00:33:21,514 --> 00:33:24,634
Speaker 1: closely with Kanye West in that time that they just

794
00:33:24,754 --> 00:33:28,594
Speaker 1: very naturally fell in love and wanted to be together.

795
00:33:28,714 --> 00:33:31,314
Speaker 1: And she talks about proximity being the theme. Yeah, She's like,

796
00:33:31,314 --> 00:33:33,034
Speaker 1: we were just around each other, so we felt.

797
00:33:33,074 --> 00:33:36,274
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, we were working together so closely. You're

798
00:33:36,314 --> 00:33:38,674
Speaker 2: spending so much time with somebody, you'd either be on

799
00:33:38,714 --> 00:33:40,874
Speaker 2: the phone together or with each other all the time.

800
00:33:41,394 --> 00:33:46,034
Speaker 2: And then she said that his aura both overpowered and

801
00:33:46,114 --> 00:33:50,554
Speaker 2: complimented her own aura. And then she was like his magnetism,

802
00:33:50,594 --> 00:33:51,594
Speaker 2: You've got to see it.

803
00:33:51,674 --> 00:33:52,634
Speaker 1: We're so similar.

804
00:33:52,994 --> 00:33:54,874
Speaker 2: And I kind of believe what she's saying there is

805
00:33:54,914 --> 00:33:58,514
Speaker 2: like Kanye West is a very like magnetic person and

806
00:33:58,514 --> 00:34:00,954
Speaker 2: that intensity, and Kim Karashian's talked about that too, like

807
00:34:00,994 --> 00:34:04,074
Speaker 2: when he turns that attention on you, how overpowering it is.

808
00:34:04,634 --> 00:34:06,714
Speaker 2: So she's kind of reading between the line and she's

809
00:34:06,754 --> 00:34:09,234
Speaker 2: saying all that power that he put over Kim Kardashkin

810
00:34:09,314 --> 00:34:10,913
Speaker 2: of making him fall in love with her, he turned

811
00:34:10,913 --> 00:34:13,354
Speaker 2: to Bianca, and so she had a very different experience

812
00:34:13,393 --> 00:34:15,234
Speaker 2: at the same time as he was having that awful

813
00:34:15,234 --> 00:34:16,634
Speaker 2: experience with his wife and kids.

814
00:34:16,914 --> 00:34:19,234
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean she kind of says that she's like,

815
00:34:19,314 --> 00:34:21,993
Speaker 1: she knows she's a neper wife, that she's famous by association,

816
00:34:22,514 --> 00:34:25,433
Speaker 1: but she's also just like, oh, well, I love it.

817
00:34:25,434 --> 00:34:27,594
Speaker 1: It's amazing, And she's very much like when she was

818
00:34:27,634 --> 00:34:29,594
Speaker 1: asked about the fact that people are concerned about the

819
00:34:29,594 --> 00:34:31,394
Speaker 1: amount of attention he puts on her, like he's released

820
00:34:31,394 --> 00:34:34,634
Speaker 1: some concerning lyrics about Riah, and obviously he previously had

821
00:34:34,634 --> 00:34:37,074
Speaker 1: done that to Kim as well. But she's kind of like,

822
00:34:37,114 --> 00:34:39,354
Speaker 1: I always just think people will get it someday, and

823
00:34:39,394 --> 00:34:41,033
Speaker 1: if they don't, they don't. As long as I'm able

824
00:34:41,034 --> 00:34:43,194
Speaker 1: to express myself, that's all that matters to me. And

825
00:34:43,234 --> 00:34:45,314
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't think she like you're saying, she's

826
00:34:45,394 --> 00:34:48,314
Speaker 1: very much like his magnetism is amazing, and yet where

827
00:34:48,354 --> 00:34:50,834
Speaker 1: the concerns are A lot of the article is her

828
00:34:50,834 --> 00:34:52,794
Speaker 1: redirecting that to well, you get it or you don't,

829
00:34:53,954 --> 00:34:56,074
Speaker 1: which is always such a cop out when people who

830
00:34:56,114 --> 00:34:59,594
Speaker 1: are being faced with a really like intense question or

831
00:34:59,634 --> 00:35:02,194
Speaker 1: a messy question or a personal question where they link

832
00:35:02,194 --> 00:35:03,834
Speaker 1: it to art and say you wouldn't get it. I

833
00:35:03,874 --> 00:35:05,674
Speaker 1: always think that's such a cop out and like it's

834
00:35:05,754 --> 00:35:08,674
Speaker 1: not what a true artist would say, Like a true

835
00:35:08,714 --> 00:35:10,714
Speaker 1: artist can defend their work or their life and in

836
00:35:10,754 --> 00:35:12,634
Speaker 1: a way that is not just being like, well, you're

837
00:35:12,634 --> 00:35:14,794
Speaker 1: too stupid to get it, because my.

838
00:35:14,794 --> 00:35:17,553
Speaker 2: Personal belief is like that's not really what art is. Yeah,

839
00:35:17,594 --> 00:35:19,594
Speaker 2: they actually print the song that when you're talking about

840
00:35:19,594 --> 00:35:22,754
Speaker 2: the leaked lyrics, the song of Bianca that was leaked,

841
00:35:22,834 --> 00:35:24,074
Speaker 2: and it's yeah.

842
00:35:24,154 --> 00:35:27,914
Speaker 1: I remember, I guess where the Newcassian Diddy. She's tracking

843
00:35:27,914 --> 00:35:30,314
Speaker 1: my bitch through an app, like tracking my bitch through

844
00:35:30,314 --> 00:35:33,114
Speaker 1: the city. Like it was difficult to hear. And that

845
00:35:33,154 --> 00:35:34,994
Speaker 1: came off the back of the fact that Kanye had

846
00:35:34,994 --> 00:35:38,354
Speaker 1: been obviously accused of anti Semitism as well, which is

847
00:35:38,354 --> 00:35:41,314
Speaker 1: also addressed in the article. But like it's very tense,

848
00:35:41,314 --> 00:35:44,874
Speaker 1: and you can understand why people have been concerned about her, Yeah, exactly,

849
00:35:44,954 --> 00:35:47,314
Speaker 1: because there's so many times where she's just looked out

850
00:35:47,314 --> 00:35:50,234
Speaker 1: in the public eye to be in a really terrible situation.

851
00:35:50,354 --> 00:35:52,714
Speaker 1: One is that like everyone around, he will be rugged up,

852
00:35:52,754 --> 00:35:56,794
Speaker 1: whether appropriately, and then she'll be almost completely naked, and

853
00:35:56,834 --> 00:36:00,194
Speaker 1: they're obviously like parading around to get paparazzi attention. And

854
00:36:00,194 --> 00:36:01,873
Speaker 1: then because we never hear from her, we don't know

855
00:36:02,114 --> 00:36:05,274
Speaker 1: what context that was in. And one of the biggest moments,

856
00:36:05,274 --> 00:36:07,393
Speaker 1: I thought, this is interesting that she addresses one of

857
00:36:07,394 --> 00:36:11,514
Speaker 1: their biggest viral paparazzi moments when people were most concerned

858
00:36:11,554 --> 00:36:13,994
Speaker 1: for her. So she talked about something that happened in Venice.

859
00:36:14,314 --> 00:36:17,874
Speaker 1: So she and Kanye were in a water taxi in Venice,

860
00:36:18,314 --> 00:36:21,354
Speaker 1: and it looks like from like the photos in the videos,

861
00:36:21,354 --> 00:36:24,194
Speaker 1: and these photos and videos were absolutely everywhere, Yeah, that she.

862
00:36:24,274 --> 00:36:26,714
Speaker 2: Was performing oral sex on him in a public place

863
00:36:26,754 --> 00:36:28,314
Speaker 2: and then they would end up getting banned, and it

864
00:36:28,354 --> 00:36:30,114
Speaker 2: was this whole thing, and I think that's when people

865
00:36:30,154 --> 00:36:33,314
Speaker 2: really raise the alarm, Yeah, that something was wrong with her.

866
00:36:33,434 --> 00:36:35,473
Speaker 2: And then she talks about her side of it here

867
00:36:35,514 --> 00:36:36,234
Speaker 2: for the first time.

868
00:36:36,394 --> 00:36:38,954
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really interesting, Like I think, this is

869
00:36:38,994 --> 00:36:40,433
Speaker 1: what I guess, one of the only times where she

870
00:36:40,474 --> 00:36:43,154
Speaker 1: really said that public opinion had impacted her in some way,

871
00:36:43,514 --> 00:36:45,834
Speaker 1: and it was through the lens of her family. So

872
00:36:45,874 --> 00:36:48,234
Speaker 1: she said, like, first of all, she clarified, She's like,

873
00:36:48,314 --> 00:36:50,554
Speaker 1: I didn't do that, Like he was on the stern.

874
00:36:50,674 --> 00:36:52,354
Speaker 1: My head was in his lap. She says her aunt

875
00:36:52,434 --> 00:36:54,913
Speaker 1: was on the boat, and she said that someone from

876
00:36:54,954 --> 00:36:57,073
Speaker 1: her college era was also on board. But she also

877
00:36:57,074 --> 00:36:59,634
Speaker 1: says the coverage like humiliated her, and she says it

878
00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:01,154
Speaker 1: through the lens of her family, like she's like, it's

879
00:37:01,194 --> 00:37:03,554
Speaker 1: the first time I was really embarrassed, Like she's like

880
00:37:03,594 --> 00:37:05,873
Speaker 1: because of my dad. Like, I've grown as a human being,

881
00:37:05,914 --> 00:37:07,994
Speaker 1: so I don't really care what people think of me,

882
00:37:08,114 --> 00:37:11,873
Speaker 1: but I care what my family is going to go through. Yeah, exactly, which,

883
00:37:11,914 --> 00:37:13,994
Speaker 1: like I guess speaks to the concerned people had, is

884
00:37:14,034 --> 00:37:16,514
Speaker 1: that a lot of it has felt like from the outside,

885
00:37:16,554 --> 00:37:18,674
Speaker 1: knowing what we've known about Kim, like a bit of

886
00:37:18,674 --> 00:37:21,393
Speaker 1: a humiliation ritual at times is the way that it's

887
00:37:21,394 --> 00:37:23,634
Speaker 1: perceived by the public, And that's what people were scared about,

888
00:37:23,754 --> 00:37:26,953
Speaker 1: not judging her, but judging what the situation is and

889
00:37:26,994 --> 00:37:29,634
Speaker 1: being like, do we have to be worried about this woman? Yeah?

890
00:37:29,794 --> 00:37:32,314
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing I appreciate, like kind of hearing

891
00:37:32,354 --> 00:37:35,194
Speaker 2: her start of that story, and I'm you know, obviously

892
00:37:35,234 --> 00:37:37,393
Speaker 2: those photos can be taken anyway, but I do kind

893
00:37:37,394 --> 00:37:39,674
Speaker 2: of feel like it's just another time where like the

894
00:37:39,714 --> 00:37:43,274
Speaker 2: boat Venice thing. It's like she came out of it humiliated,

895
00:37:43,314 --> 00:37:44,873
Speaker 2: and he came out of it everyone like, oh, he's

896
00:37:44,874 --> 00:37:45,754
Speaker 2: so wild and crazy.

897
00:37:45,834 --> 00:37:48,354
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is what everyone has such a problem.

898
00:37:48,394 --> 00:37:50,514
Speaker 2: And there was such as outpouring from like men online

899
00:37:50,554 --> 00:37:52,433
Speaker 2: who were like supporting him and thinking that was such

900
00:37:52,434 --> 00:37:54,474
Speaker 2: a cool thing. And it's just like every time they

901
00:37:54,554 --> 00:37:56,594
Speaker 2: take a hit as a couple, it like almost pushes

902
00:37:56,674 --> 00:37:57,913
Speaker 2: him up, but pushes her down.

903
00:37:58,154 --> 00:37:58,274
Speaker 1: Yea.

904
00:37:58,474 --> 00:38:00,513
Speaker 2: She also talks about a lot of the Kanye where

905
00:38:00,514 --> 00:38:03,714
Speaker 2: it's like the very very fair, very necessary backlash to

906
00:38:03,874 --> 00:38:05,873
Speaker 2: a lot of I mean, so many horrible things he said,

907
00:38:05,874 --> 00:38:08,234
Speaker 2: but a lot of the anti Semitic stuff, especially when

908
00:38:08,274 --> 00:38:10,473
Speaker 2: you think about like it was the Super Bowl last year,

909
00:38:10,554 --> 00:38:12,714
Speaker 2: right where he took out an ad and that directed

910
00:38:12,714 --> 00:38:16,274
Speaker 2: people to his website for pro Nazi t shirts that

911
00:38:16,314 --> 00:38:17,873
Speaker 2: you could buy, and it took much longer than it

912
00:38:17,914 --> 00:38:19,953
Speaker 2: should have to get all that shut down, and then

913
00:38:19,954 --> 00:38:23,714
Speaker 2: he was posting all this really horrific anti Semitic content

914
00:38:23,754 --> 00:38:26,393
Speaker 2: across his socials. His socials crossed down would take town,

915
00:38:26,434 --> 00:38:28,634
Speaker 2: but he'd posted again, and it was having real world

916
00:38:28,674 --> 00:38:33,073
Speaker 2: repercussions and putting people in danger. And she talks about

917
00:38:33,074 --> 00:38:35,714
Speaker 2: this here, but talks about it almost like in that

918
00:38:35,794 --> 00:38:38,593
Speaker 2: she doesn't support him. She's not anti Semitics, she doesn't

919
00:38:38,634 --> 00:38:40,953
Speaker 2: think he is. But she said their marriage and that

920
00:38:41,034 --> 00:38:43,234
Speaker 2: time felt it was like on CPR.

921
00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:45,514
Speaker 1: That was really interesting that she was like, it was

922
00:38:45,594 --> 00:38:47,994
Speaker 1: doing CBR for months. I have the love and empathy

923
00:38:48,034 --> 00:38:49,514
Speaker 1: for him to be able to do that, and I

924
00:38:49,634 --> 00:38:52,394
Speaker 1: understand the world doesn't. So it is a bit again

925
00:38:52,434 --> 00:38:54,474
Speaker 1: of this thing of she's acknowledging that that was a

926
00:38:54,474 --> 00:38:57,314
Speaker 1: tough time. She does not share those views, she doesn't

927
00:38:57,354 --> 00:39:00,114
Speaker 1: think he does either, and that it was an impact

928
00:39:00,234 --> 00:39:02,634
Speaker 1: of what he was going through mentally, and that he's

929
00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:05,234
Speaker 1: apologized for her, so she's standing by him. But it's

930
00:39:05,274 --> 00:39:06,994
Speaker 1: that tone of like, I have the love and m

931
00:39:07,514 --> 00:39:08,794
Speaker 1: for him to be able to do that, and I

932
00:39:08,834 --> 00:39:11,154
Speaker 1: know the rest of the world does not. It's kind

933
00:39:11,194 --> 00:39:12,914
Speaker 1: of back to I think the way that she's seeing

934
00:39:12,954 --> 00:39:15,714
Speaker 1: things is like other people don't get it. And it

935
00:39:15,754 --> 00:39:18,433
Speaker 1: comes into this part as well, which I think is

936
00:39:18,474 --> 00:39:19,314
Speaker 1: deeply concerning.

937
00:39:19,874 --> 00:39:21,274
Speaker 2: That's the thing I kind of struggle as I was

938
00:39:21,314 --> 00:39:24,034
Speaker 2: reading it. I was like, am I really holding this

939
00:39:24,114 --> 00:39:27,393
Speaker 2: woman accountable for her husband's actions.

940
00:39:26,914 --> 00:39:28,914
Speaker 1: Because normally I would normally that wouldn't.

941
00:39:29,074 --> 00:39:30,794
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think this time I am going to

942
00:39:30,994 --> 00:39:32,994
Speaker 2: a little bit because I do think that she should

943
00:39:32,994 --> 00:39:36,274
Speaker 2: have gone harder on saying like this was horrific, this

944
00:39:36,434 --> 00:39:39,274
Speaker 2: was dangerous, this was not okay. I should have stepped

945
00:39:39,274 --> 00:39:40,953
Speaker 2: in more, people should have stepped in. Like again, I'm

946
00:39:40,994 --> 00:39:44,234
Speaker 2: not holding her completely accountable for everything that this man does,

947
00:39:44,274 --> 00:39:46,274
Speaker 2: because he's a lot more powerful and rich and has

948
00:39:46,354 --> 00:39:48,954
Speaker 2: like and his company is the one that is like

949
00:39:49,354 --> 00:39:52,074
Speaker 2: supporting them and all these things. But at the same time,

950
00:39:52,114 --> 00:39:54,073
Speaker 2: as she says she's a nepo wife, like her whole

951
00:39:54,074 --> 00:39:58,034
Speaker 2: career is built off him, and so supporting him and

952
00:39:58,074 --> 00:40:00,913
Speaker 2: then reaping the rewards is kind of like you are

953
00:40:00,994 --> 00:40:03,993
Speaker 2: complicit in it. You can't just say like I'm not sorry,

954
00:40:03,994 --> 00:40:05,994
Speaker 2: I'm not involved, like I have to love my husband

955
00:40:06,074 --> 00:40:07,994
Speaker 2: and push all that aside.

956
00:40:08,074 --> 00:40:10,354
Speaker 1: And in the way she's so, I think the author

957
00:40:10,394 --> 00:40:12,913
Speaker 1: said that she like corrected herself, because she also in

958
00:40:12,994 --> 00:40:15,114
Speaker 1: that part says like, but you know, like he's obsessive

959
00:40:15,114 --> 00:40:17,234
Speaker 1: about a lot of things. He's been obsessed with Christianity,

960
00:40:17,234 --> 00:40:19,393
Speaker 1: he's been obsessed with his wife, he's been obsessed with this,

961
00:40:19,474 --> 00:40:23,074
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, yeah, like that's she's just taking

962
00:40:23,114 --> 00:40:27,274
Speaker 1: these really interesting, I guess approaches that I personally don't

963
00:40:27,314 --> 00:40:30,074
Speaker 1: agree with to defending him. And it is concerning when

964
00:40:30,114 --> 00:40:33,234
Speaker 1: he's got song lyrics comparing himself to Diddy and Cassie

965
00:40:33,914 --> 00:40:37,074
Speaker 1: like that concerns people. Yeah, yeah, and fair enough. So

966
00:40:37,154 --> 00:40:38,074
Speaker 1: now that we've had.

967
00:40:37,874 --> 00:40:40,433
Speaker 2: This thing we've wanted for years, which is like the

968
00:40:40,474 --> 00:40:43,594
Speaker 2: most googled woman in the world, the woman who who

969
00:40:43,594 --> 00:40:45,314
Speaker 2: we see all parts of her body but she never

970
00:40:45,354 --> 00:40:48,234
Speaker 2: has a voice, She's finally been given that thing, with

971
00:40:48,394 --> 00:40:51,834
Speaker 2: this huge magazine profile and this writer who spent so

972
00:40:51,954 --> 00:40:52,754
Speaker 2: much time with her.

973
00:40:53,114 --> 00:40:55,554
Speaker 1: Has it changed your opinion of her? Like, I guess so,

974
00:40:55,674 --> 00:40:58,154
Speaker 1: because I hadn't really heard from her before, so it's

975
00:40:58,194 --> 00:41:00,754
Speaker 1: given me insight into who she is. I'm not sure

976
00:41:00,754 --> 00:41:01,873
Speaker 1: how I feel about that, and I think I have

977
00:41:01,914 --> 00:41:03,554
Speaker 1: to sit with it a bit longer to also just

978
00:41:03,594 --> 00:41:05,954
Speaker 1: maybe go through things that I think about her based

979
00:41:05,994 --> 00:41:08,394
Speaker 1: on what we thought we knew before we knew anything.

980
00:41:08,634 --> 00:41:10,834
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard, I would say, like it hasn't changed

981
00:41:10,834 --> 00:41:12,594
Speaker 2: my mind the way that I thought it would when

982
00:41:12,634 --> 00:41:14,194
Speaker 2: I thought we would one day get her to speak,

983
00:41:14,194 --> 00:41:17,274
Speaker 2: because I think everything she said seems very in line

984
00:41:17,354 --> 00:41:19,634
Speaker 2: with the company line that we've heard from yeasy before,

985
00:41:19,674 --> 00:41:22,114
Speaker 2: of like she is choosing this, she is an artist,

986
00:41:22,114 --> 00:41:24,873
Speaker 2: she stands by Kanye. Even though she was alone with

987
00:41:24,914 --> 00:41:27,674
Speaker 2: the journalist, it still feels like she's towing the company

988
00:41:27,674 --> 00:41:30,114
Speaker 2: line to an extent. But at least we did get

989
00:41:30,154 --> 00:41:32,194
Speaker 2: to hear her voice. And as the journalist said when

990
00:41:32,194 --> 00:41:34,554
Speaker 2: she finished it, she is the only person she's interviewed

991
00:41:34,554 --> 00:41:37,754
Speaker 2: where she thinks her personal persona and her public persona.

992
00:41:37,394 --> 00:41:38,354
Speaker 1: Are wildly different.

993
00:41:38,434 --> 00:41:40,514
Speaker 2: So yeah, we will link the full profile in our

994
00:41:40,514 --> 00:41:42,033
Speaker 2: show notes so you can read it in full because

995
00:41:42,034 --> 00:41:43,234
Speaker 2: it is so long, with so much we need get

996
00:41:43,234 --> 00:41:45,114
Speaker 2: to talk to, but it is quite a fascinating read.

997
00:41:45,314 --> 00:41:47,994
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998
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