1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:13,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. 2 00:00:14,094 --> 00:00:17,174 Speaker 2: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,214 --> 00:00:18,934 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,614 --> 00:00:24,814 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mamma MIA's twice daily 5 00:00:24,894 --> 00:00:29,014 Speaker 1: news podcast, The Quickie. A new report has found Victorian 6 00:00:29,054 --> 00:00:32,854 Speaker 1: police practices around family violence not only fall short, but 7 00:00:33,014 --> 00:00:35,694 Speaker 1: are actually harming some of the people they're supposed to 8 00:00:35,734 --> 00:00:39,254 Speaker 1: be protecting. We'll break down the key findings and big 9 00:00:39,294 --> 00:00:44,334 Speaker 1: recommendations plus and just like that, Carrie Bradshaw has pondered 10 00:00:44,414 --> 00:00:48,094 Speaker 1: her final thought. The sequel to HBO's iconic Sex in 11 00:00:48,134 --> 00:00:51,534 Speaker 1: the City will wrap up after three seasons. So why 12 00:00:51,574 --> 00:00:54,934 Speaker 1: has this show sparked so much debate and does its 13 00:00:54,934 --> 00:00:58,974 Speaker 1: farewell matter to anyone except its die hard fans. Before 14 00:00:58,974 --> 00:01:01,374 Speaker 1: we get there, here's Clare Murphy with the latest from 15 00:01:01,374 --> 00:01:03,854 Speaker 1: The Quickie newsroom for Friday, August. 16 00:01:03,574 --> 00:01:07,094 Speaker 2: Eighth, Thanks Taylor. A two million dollar compensation offer to 17 00:01:07,134 --> 00:01:10,374 Speaker 2: Kathleen Folbeck, who spent twenty years in prison after being 18 00:01:10,374 --> 00:01:13,654 Speaker 2: wrongfully convicted of killing her children, has been described as 19 00:01:13,694 --> 00:01:16,934 Speaker 2: woefully inadequate and a slap in the face. Miss Faelbig 20 00:01:16,974 --> 00:01:20,614 Speaker 2: Solicitor Rene Rego said the sum offered is a moral affront, 21 00:01:20,894 --> 00:01:25,414 Speaker 2: woefully inadequate and ethically indefensible, saying the system has failed 22 00:01:25,494 --> 00:01:29,414 Speaker 2: Kathleen Folbig once again. Greens MP Sue Higginson described the 23 00:01:29,414 --> 00:01:31,774 Speaker 2: offer as an absolute slap in the face and a 24 00:01:31,814 --> 00:01:34,174 Speaker 2: failure of the New South Wales premiere to uphold the 25 00:01:34,214 --> 00:01:38,214 Speaker 2: principles of fairness and justice. Folbig was convicted of three 26 00:01:38,254 --> 00:01:41,094 Speaker 2: counts of murder and one count of manslaughter following the 27 00:01:41,134 --> 00:01:44,254 Speaker 2: debts of her children between nineteen eighty nine and nineteen 28 00:01:44,334 --> 00:01:48,894 Speaker 2: ninety nine. She appealed successfully against her convictions after scientific 29 00:01:48,934 --> 00:01:52,694 Speaker 2: discoveries in genetics and cardiology cast doubt on her guilt. 30 00:01:52,894 --> 00:01:56,054 Speaker 2: Following two inquiries into her verdicts, she was freed in 31 00:01:56,134 --> 00:02:00,574 Speaker 2: June twenty twenty three. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Ettniaho has 32 00:02:00,614 --> 00:02:03,734 Speaker 2: told Fox News that Israel intends to take over Gaza, 33 00:02:03,854 --> 00:02:07,894 Speaker 2: but not keep it, despite intensifying criticism at home and 34 00:02:07,974 --> 00:02:10,894 Speaker 2: abroad over the devastating almost two year old war in 35 00:02:10,934 --> 00:02:14,134 Speaker 2: the Palestinian enclave. Netanyah, who says that they wish to 36 00:02:14,174 --> 00:02:17,854 Speaker 2: take control of Gaza to establish a security perimeter, but 37 00:02:17,894 --> 00:02:20,494 Speaker 2: that they don't want to govern the region. They instead 38 00:02:20,654 --> 00:02:23,014 Speaker 2: want to hand it over to Arab forces who will. 39 00:02:23,414 --> 00:02:27,694 Speaker 2: Netanyahu's government has insisted on total victory over Hamas, which 40 00:02:27,734 --> 00:02:30,654 Speaker 2: ignited the war with its deadly October twenty twenty three 41 00:02:30,694 --> 00:02:34,014 Speaker 2: attack on Israel from Gaza. The idea of expanding the 42 00:02:34,014 --> 00:02:37,134 Speaker 2: war and pushing into areas Israel doesn't already control in 43 00:02:37,174 --> 00:02:40,294 Speaker 2: the enclave has been pushed by far right ministers in 44 00:02:40,374 --> 00:02:44,774 Speaker 2: Netanyahu's coalition, generating alarm in Israel. The mother of one 45 00:02:44,814 --> 00:02:47,654 Speaker 2: hostage urged people on Thursday to take to the streets 46 00:02:47,654 --> 00:02:51,854 Speaker 2: to voice their opposition to expanding the campaign. Russian President 47 00:02:51,934 --> 00:02:54,654 Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin says he hopes to meet next week with 48 00:02:54,814 --> 00:02:58,534 Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump, possibly in the United Arab Emirates. 49 00:02:58,854 --> 00:03:01,254 Speaker 2: A meeting between the two presidents would be the first 50 00:03:01,294 --> 00:03:03,974 Speaker 2: since mister Trump returned to office this year, and a 51 00:03:04,014 --> 00:03:06,454 Speaker 2: face to face meeting would be the first between a 52 00:03:06,494 --> 00:03:09,894 Speaker 2: sitting US and Russian president since Joe Biden met Putin 53 00:03:09,934 --> 00:03:13,294 Speaker 2: in Geneva in June twenty twenty one, eight months before 54 00:03:13,374 --> 00:03:16,374 Speaker 2: Russia launched their invasion of Ukraine. The New York Times 55 00:03:16,454 --> 00:03:19,054 Speaker 2: is reporting that Trump told European leaders during a call 56 00:03:19,094 --> 00:03:21,774 Speaker 2: on Wednesday that he intends to meet with Putin and 57 00:03:21,814 --> 00:03:25,294 Speaker 2: then follow up with a trilateral meeting, also including Ukrainian 58 00:03:25,334 --> 00:03:29,454 Speaker 2: President Vlodomi Zelenski. The diplomatic maneuvers come two days before 59 00:03:29,494 --> 00:03:32,174 Speaker 2: a deadline set by Trump for Russia to agree to 60 00:03:32,214 --> 00:03:36,014 Speaker 2: peace in Ukraine or face new sanctions. According to his 61 00:03:36,134 --> 00:03:39,694 Speaker 2: lawyer Sean Diddy, Combs is aiming to headline Madison Square 62 00:03:39,694 --> 00:03:44,254 Speaker 2: Garden for a return concert after being convicted on prostitution offenses. 63 00:03:44,694 --> 00:03:47,774 Speaker 2: Combs remains in prison awaiting sentencing, but his lawyer Mark 64 00:03:47,854 --> 00:03:50,534 Speaker 2: Agnofilio says his client has his sights set on the 65 00:03:50,574 --> 00:03:54,454 Speaker 2: New York Stadium as part of his rehabilitation and reconnection 66 00:03:54,574 --> 00:03:56,894 Speaker 2: with fans, saying he wants to get back with his 67 00:03:56,934 --> 00:03:59,254 Speaker 2: mother and the people who love him and miss him. 68 00:03:59,614 --> 00:04:02,814 Speaker 2: Combs was convicted in July on two counts of transportation 69 00:04:02,934 --> 00:04:06,574 Speaker 2: to engage in prostitution. He was acquitted of racketeering and 70 00:04:06,654 --> 00:04:09,814 Speaker 2: sex trafficking charges. He faces up to twenty five years 71 00:04:09,854 --> 00:04:13,334 Speaker 2: in prison and remains in federal custody the Metropolitan Detention 72 00:04:13,494 --> 00:04:18,054 Speaker 2: Center in Brooklyn, with sentencing scheduled for October three. Matilda's 73 00:04:18,054 --> 00:04:21,814 Speaker 2: Captain Steph Catley's been shortlisted for the Biggest Individual honor 74 00:04:21,854 --> 00:04:25,454 Speaker 2: in women's soccer, Nominated amongst the game's top thirty players 75 00:04:25,454 --> 00:04:28,534 Speaker 2: for the ballin d'Or. The thirty one year old Arsenal defender, 76 00:04:28,654 --> 00:04:31,614 Speaker 2: a key figure in the club's women's Champions League success, 77 00:04:32,014 --> 00:04:34,694 Speaker 2: is the only Australian to feature in the annual awards, 78 00:04:34,734 --> 00:04:38,294 Speaker 2: with her Matilda's teammate Mary Fowler unlucky to miss a nomination. 79 00:04:38,814 --> 00:04:41,814 Speaker 2: It's a award for both Katley's performance and leadership for 80 00:04:41,854 --> 00:04:44,814 Speaker 2: both club and country, as she's filled in as Australia 81 00:04:44,894 --> 00:04:48,214 Speaker 2: skipper in the long term absence of injured captain Sam Kerr. 82 00:04:48,574 --> 00:04:51,454 Speaker 1: Thanks Claire. Next, what we can learn from the harm 83 00:04:51,494 --> 00:04:59,614 Speaker 1: in the name of safety report. When we talk about 84 00:04:59,654 --> 00:05:03,134 Speaker 1: family violence, most people assume there's a clear next step. 85 00:05:03,494 --> 00:05:06,654 Speaker 1: You call the police, you get help. But for a 86 00:05:06,654 --> 00:05:09,774 Speaker 1: growing number of victim survivors, calling the police is isn't 87 00:05:09,774 --> 00:05:12,614 Speaker 1: the beginning of safety. It can actually be the beginning 88 00:05:12,694 --> 00:05:17,054 Speaker 1: of something much worse. Fit to this, a woman fleeing 89 00:05:17,094 --> 00:05:20,934 Speaker 1: her home in fear, clutching her child's hand, doing everything 90 00:05:20,974 --> 00:05:24,214 Speaker 1: we're told to do, report it, speak up, seek help, 91 00:05:24,614 --> 00:05:29,054 Speaker 1: and then being treated like the problem, being disbelieved, blamed, 92 00:05:29,534 --> 00:05:34,054 Speaker 1: even criminalized. It's not always typical, but it's also not 93 00:05:34,174 --> 00:05:38,054 Speaker 1: always rare. This week, a major new report is out 94 00:05:38,134 --> 00:05:42,294 Speaker 1: raising some serious questions about how Victoria handles family violence. 95 00:05:42,934 --> 00:05:45,614 Speaker 1: The Harm in the Name of Safety report includes survey 96 00:05:45,654 --> 00:05:49,094 Speaker 1: results from two hundred and twenty five frontline family violence 97 00:05:49,174 --> 00:05:52,734 Speaker 1: workers across the state. That's people on the ground working 98 00:05:52,734 --> 00:05:57,734 Speaker 1: as specialists, support workers, community leaders, and other advocates. They're 99 00:05:57,854 --> 00:06:02,294 Speaker 1: verdict well police are routinely failing to keep victim survivors safe, 100 00:06:02,334 --> 00:06:06,814 Speaker 1: and in many cases, those failures are doing direct harm. 101 00:06:07,454 --> 00:06:11,254 Speaker 1: Here's some key stats and findings. More than two thirds, 102 00:06:11,374 --> 00:06:14,574 Speaker 1: or sixty nine percent of the workers surveyed say they've 103 00:06:14,574 --> 00:06:20,294 Speaker 1: witnessed duty failures or substandard responses from police. Many describe 104 00:06:20,334 --> 00:06:24,654 Speaker 1: police regularly not taking family violence seriously, using victim blaming 105 00:06:24,774 --> 00:06:28,894 Speaker 1: or dismissive language, failing to follow up on breaches, and 106 00:06:29,094 --> 00:06:32,094 Speaker 1: showing a lack of understanding about coercive control and the 107 00:06:32,174 --> 00:06:37,294 Speaker 1: dynamics of abuse. Wrongful identification is also rampant. Eighty three 108 00:06:37,374 --> 00:06:41,134 Speaker 1: percent of workers say they've encountered police wrongfully identifying a 109 00:06:41,254 --> 00:06:44,694 Speaker 1: victim survivor as the aggressor. Over half had seen this 110 00:06:44,774 --> 00:06:48,494 Speaker 1: happen five or more times just within the last five years, 111 00:06:49,574 --> 00:06:53,734 Speaker 1: targeted discrimination is widespread. Nearly all workers reported seeing at 112 00:06:53,814 --> 00:06:57,214 Speaker 1: least one form of discriminatory policing that could look like 113 00:06:57,254 --> 00:07:01,654 Speaker 1: abuse and bias directed at Aboriginal and torrestrate islander people, migrants, 114 00:07:01,814 --> 00:07:06,174 Speaker 1: LGBTQ people, those living with a disability, and other already 115 00:07:06,214 --> 00:07:11,814 Speaker 1: marginalized communities, and disturbingly, fifty one percent of participants say 116 00:07:11,814 --> 00:07:15,054 Speaker 1: they've come across cases where a police officer was the 117 00:07:15,094 --> 00:07:20,174 Speaker 1: perpetrator of family violence themselves. As much as the report 118 00:07:20,214 --> 00:07:23,894 Speaker 1: shines a spotlight on serious gaps in protecting victim survivors, 119 00:07:23,974 --> 00:07:27,374 Speaker 1: it also has a big, bold recommendation list on how 120 00:07:27,414 --> 00:07:31,814 Speaker 1: to fix it. This includes things like investing in community 121 00:07:31,934 --> 00:07:35,934 Speaker 1: led non police alternatives to family violence response and funding 122 00:07:36,014 --> 00:07:41,974 Speaker 1: specialized independent services strengthening prevention and accountability programs based in 123 00:07:42,014 --> 00:07:46,254 Speaker 1: the community, not just more police training, and critically funding 124 00:07:46,334 --> 00:07:50,894 Speaker 1: a pilot for alternative non police first responders drawing on 125 00:07:50,934 --> 00:07:55,934 Speaker 1: successful community models already operating locally and overseas. Harm in 126 00:07:55,934 --> 00:07:59,014 Speaker 1: the name of safety makes a stark case for too 127 00:07:59,094 --> 00:08:02,454 Speaker 1: many police are not the safe answer to family violence. 128 00:08:02,894 --> 00:08:06,694 Speaker 1: It's a call for radical rethink centering survivors and communities, 129 00:08:06,854 --> 00:08:10,894 Speaker 1: not criminalization and control. If you or someone you know 130 00:08:11,014 --> 00:08:12,934 Speaker 1: needs to speak to someone, you can call one eight 131 00:08:13,054 --> 00:08:16,654 Speaker 1: hundred RESPECT. That's the National Domestic Family and Sexual Violence 132 00:08:16,694 --> 00:08:20,014 Speaker 1: Counseling Service. You'll find them on one eight hundred seven 133 00:08:20,094 --> 00:08:23,054 Speaker 1: three seven seven three to two. I'll pop more info 134 00:08:23,134 --> 00:08:30,254 Speaker 1: in today's show notes for you as well. After three 135 00:08:30,334 --> 00:08:34,254 Speaker 1: seasons of viral moments, split reviews and just about as 136 00:08:34,334 --> 00:08:37,654 Speaker 1: much TV drama on screen as off, and just like that, 137 00:08:38,014 --> 00:08:40,334 Speaker 1: the TV reboot that brought the Sex in the City 138 00:08:40,414 --> 00:08:43,774 Speaker 1: universe into the twenty twenties is coming to an end. 139 00:08:44,094 --> 00:08:46,694 Speaker 2: I just think a Gray ages you. No, you think 140 00:08:46,694 --> 00:08:49,654 Speaker 2: the Gray Ages you because if Laura friends and I'm 141 00:08:49,734 --> 00:08:52,214 Speaker 2: this age, you can't be whatever age you're pretending to be. 142 00:08:53,134 --> 00:08:56,054 Speaker 1: For those late to the party, a quick explainer, The 143 00:08:56,094 --> 00:09:00,054 Speaker 1: series rebooted in twenty twenty one, catching up with Carrie Bradshaw, 144 00:09:00,174 --> 00:09:04,054 Speaker 1: Miranda Hobbs, and Charlotte York, now in their fifties, and 145 00:09:04,214 --> 00:09:07,694 Speaker 1: just like that, brought back old favorite characters, but notably 146 00:09:08,054 --> 00:09:11,054 Speaker 1: not Kim Katrell's Samantha, well except for a blink in 147 00:09:11,094 --> 00:09:13,094 Speaker 1: your Missic cameo in the second season. 148 00:09:13,334 --> 00:09:18,454 Speaker 2: Thank you for everything, you fucking fabulous fabulous flat. 149 00:09:18,934 --> 00:09:22,294 Speaker 1: It introduced a new circle of younger and more diverse friends, 150 00:09:22,414 --> 00:09:25,854 Speaker 1: and threw the beloved trio into everything from widowhood and 151 00:09:25,934 --> 00:09:30,534 Speaker 1: sexual reinvention to clunky podcast scenes and gen Z parenting dilemmas. 152 00:09:31,294 --> 00:09:34,254 Speaker 1: Through it all, critics and fans have fiercely debated whether 153 00:09:34,294 --> 00:09:37,694 Speaker 1: the show's efforts to update and diversify the original magic 154 00:09:37,814 --> 00:09:41,094 Speaker 1: have worked. With topics from out of touch dialogue to 155 00:09:41,294 --> 00:09:45,934 Speaker 1: sudden character changes front and center in every recap, many 156 00:09:45,974 --> 00:09:49,454 Speaker 1: fans and reviewers felt the series became less about friendship 157 00:09:49,454 --> 00:09:52,254 Speaker 1: in New York and more an attempt to check boxes, 158 00:09:52,694 --> 00:09:56,094 Speaker 1: while others have relished seeing TV's most famous friends deal 159 00:09:56,134 --> 00:10:01,414 Speaker 1: with aging, loss and change. So does the show's ending matter, 160 00:10:01,854 --> 00:10:05,374 Speaker 1: what is its actual TV legacy? And what can other 161 00:10:05,414 --> 00:10:09,174 Speaker 1: reboots learn from such a public trial by social media? 162 00:10:09,294 --> 00:10:12,254 Speaker 1: See entertainment Right, Tara Watson has been all across the 163 00:10:12,294 --> 00:10:16,054 Speaker 1: show and it's fallout. Tara, we are finally bidding farewell 164 00:10:16,174 --> 00:10:18,654 Speaker 1: to carry Bradshaw and just like that is wrapping up. 165 00:10:18,654 --> 00:10:21,334 Speaker 1: But I want to know, like, was this show doomed 166 00:10:21,414 --> 00:10:24,254 Speaker 1: from the start? We had no Kim Katrell returning as 167 00:10:24,294 --> 00:10:27,494 Speaker 1: Samantha Patricia Field wasn't on board, she wasn't doing the costumes, 168 00:10:27,654 --> 00:10:30,574 Speaker 1: she was busy with Emily in Paris. Was it over 169 00:10:30,614 --> 00:10:31,334 Speaker 1: before it began? 170 00:10:32,414 --> 00:10:35,894 Speaker 3: I mean in many fans' minds, yes. Not having the 171 00:10:35,934 --> 00:10:40,134 Speaker 3: core four in the show did unsettle a lot of 172 00:10:40,174 --> 00:10:43,934 Speaker 3: people because Samantha is an integral part of the show. Also, 173 00:10:43,974 --> 00:10:46,414 Speaker 3: she kind of balanced out the group in many ways, 174 00:10:46,454 --> 00:10:48,534 Speaker 3: and she brought a lot of humor to the dynamics, 175 00:10:48,614 --> 00:10:51,494 Speaker 3: So not having her was a big issue. But then 176 00:10:51,534 --> 00:10:54,254 Speaker 3: there was just season one that kicked off, and there 177 00:10:54,294 --> 00:10:57,414 Speaker 3: was some okay parts, but generally it just didn't feel 178 00:10:57,854 --> 00:11:00,854 Speaker 3: like the show anymore. It kind of looked like the show. 179 00:11:00,974 --> 00:11:04,334 Speaker 3: There was some interesting fashion, there was Kristen, Cynthia, Sarah, 180 00:11:04,374 --> 00:11:08,974 Speaker 3: Jessica Parker, but the scripts just didn't feel reminiscent at 181 00:11:09,014 --> 00:11:11,014 Speaker 3: all of this Sex and the City script, which was 182 00:11:11,054 --> 00:11:15,174 Speaker 3: so witty, irreverent, smart, it almost felt like an AI 183 00:11:15,334 --> 00:11:18,334 Speaker 3: script at times. It didn't have any like heart and 184 00:11:18,454 --> 00:11:19,934 Speaker 3: soul that Sex and the City had. 185 00:11:20,014 --> 00:11:22,214 Speaker 1: Well. Initially, there was like a lot of backlash right 186 00:11:22,254 --> 00:11:25,734 Speaker 1: as these first few episodes from the first season trickled out. 187 00:11:26,014 --> 00:11:29,014 Speaker 1: There were people online accusing them of going full throttle 188 00:11:29,214 --> 00:11:31,934 Speaker 1: go voc or grow broke, what's your take on it. 189 00:11:32,734 --> 00:11:35,854 Speaker 3: Yeah, so the woke elements did not feel natural to 190 00:11:36,014 --> 00:11:39,214 Speaker 3: that universe, and they really this first season especially, they 191 00:11:39,254 --> 00:11:42,614 Speaker 3: really did cram a lot of like wokeness into the show. 192 00:11:43,214 --> 00:11:46,974 Speaker 3: You had Charlotte's child coming out as non binary, which 193 00:11:47,014 --> 00:11:49,654 Speaker 3: actually didn't mind that storyline. I think that was actually fine. 194 00:11:49,854 --> 00:11:52,014 Speaker 3: But I think what a lot of people had issues 195 00:11:52,054 --> 00:11:59,014 Speaker 3: with was this character Shade Dash getting PTSD by Shay Diaz. Yeah, 196 00:11:59,054 --> 00:12:02,134 Speaker 3: they added a non binary character comedian who was just 197 00:12:02,254 --> 00:12:05,694 Speaker 3: like the worst character of all time that everyone hated. 198 00:12:05,774 --> 00:12:08,094 Speaker 3: And it didn't help that they kind of came along 199 00:12:08,094 --> 00:12:10,454 Speaker 3: and almost broke up Miranda and Steve, which was a 200 00:12:10,494 --> 00:12:14,094 Speaker 3: beloved couple and all of that. It didn't feel like 201 00:12:14,134 --> 00:12:17,014 Speaker 3: it was natural to that world. Also, they added a 202 00:12:17,054 --> 00:12:20,534 Speaker 3: few characters, so Seema, she almost stepped in as the 203 00:12:20,574 --> 00:12:23,454 Speaker 3: new Samantha, So I actually see my work pretty well 204 00:12:23,454 --> 00:12:26,134 Speaker 3: in the show. But then they added Naya, who is 205 00:12:26,214 --> 00:12:29,294 Speaker 3: this doctor who was kind of befriended Miranda, and she 206 00:12:29,414 --> 00:12:32,534 Speaker 3: really didn't work, and she didn't work so badly that 207 00:12:32,774 --> 00:12:35,254 Speaker 3: they just phased her out of the show completely. 208 00:12:35,414 --> 00:12:36,854 Speaker 1: We just never spoke of her again. 209 00:12:37,574 --> 00:12:41,134 Speaker 3: And then there was Lisa Todd Wexley, who was kind 210 00:12:41,134 --> 00:12:43,574 Speaker 3: of fun at times, but a lot of her storylines 211 00:12:43,614 --> 00:12:46,694 Speaker 3: felt very undercooked and you were just kind of like 212 00:12:46,774 --> 00:12:48,334 Speaker 3: not invested in that character. 213 00:12:48,134 --> 00:12:52,014 Speaker 1: Which as often the criticism when writers called out for 214 00:12:52,094 --> 00:12:54,734 Speaker 1: not having diverse characters and diverse storylines. So they throw 215 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:56,974 Speaker 1: a bunch of people on color on screen, but then 216 00:12:57,174 --> 00:12:59,534 Speaker 1: underbake their characters. 217 00:12:58,974 --> 00:13:02,334 Speaker 3: Exactly, And the six seasons of the original show was 218 00:13:02,534 --> 00:13:06,414 Speaker 3: heavily criticized for having very little to no diversity. So 219 00:13:06,454 --> 00:13:07,814 Speaker 3: it was like they were making up for. 220 00:13:08,014 --> 00:13:11,094 Speaker 1: Eventually lost time almost too far the other direction. 221 00:13:10,934 --> 00:13:13,494 Speaker 3: Too far, but they didn't flesh out these characters. It 222 00:13:13,574 --> 00:13:14,694 Speaker 3: was very token in stick. 223 00:13:14,734 --> 00:13:17,574 Speaker 1: So can we accuse them, the writers, of maybe phoning 224 00:13:17,614 --> 00:13:19,174 Speaker 1: it in a little bit? I mean, at one point 225 00:13:19,214 --> 00:13:22,214 Speaker 1: in this latest season they killed off a character for 226 00:13:22,254 --> 00:13:25,654 Speaker 1: the second time. Yeah, so funny. It's not big, by 227 00:13:25,694 --> 00:13:27,254 Speaker 1: the way, if you haven't gotten that far. 228 00:13:27,734 --> 00:13:30,534 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Lisa's father, she'd been going through it. She's 229 00:13:30,534 --> 00:13:33,974 Speaker 3: lost her dad twice, once in season one and again 230 00:13:34,014 --> 00:13:37,254 Speaker 3: in season three. The writers tried to like cover that up, 231 00:13:37,294 --> 00:13:39,614 Speaker 3: saying that the first death was a step father. It 232 00:13:39,734 --> 00:13:42,894 Speaker 3: didn't really add up. So this just kind of shows 233 00:13:42,894 --> 00:13:45,214 Speaker 3: that they're just I don't know, each season they're not 234 00:13:45,294 --> 00:13:47,654 Speaker 3: really looking back of what they've done. They're just kind 235 00:13:47,694 --> 00:13:50,134 Speaker 3: of going along with it and I don't know, just 236 00:13:50,174 --> 00:13:53,334 Speaker 3: going through the motions, but they're not invested in what 237 00:13:53,414 --> 00:13:56,574 Speaker 3: they're writing and the characters and the story and just 238 00:13:56,614 --> 00:13:57,894 Speaker 3: like painting a full picture. 239 00:13:58,014 --> 00:14:01,334 Speaker 1: It's almost like this show lost Samantha. It lost the 240 00:14:01,454 --> 00:14:03,374 Speaker 1: city and almost a little bit of the sex element 241 00:14:03,414 --> 00:14:06,454 Speaker 1: as well, but maybe most importantly, it's lost its heart. 242 00:14:07,094 --> 00:14:10,254 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's a very shallow show. 243 00:14:10,334 --> 00:14:10,574 Speaker 2: Parah. 244 00:14:10,654 --> 00:14:12,094 Speaker 1: I feel like you need to say one nice thing 245 00:14:12,134 --> 00:14:12,534 Speaker 1: about it. 246 00:14:12,494 --> 00:14:18,054 Speaker 3: Though, Okay, so I applaud Sarah Jessica Parker. I cannot 247 00:14:18,054 --> 00:14:20,974 Speaker 3: defend what's going on with Miranda, what's going with Charlotte, 248 00:14:20,974 --> 00:14:23,734 Speaker 3: because I think both of those actresses are not working 249 00:14:23,774 --> 00:14:26,134 Speaker 3: at their best in those roles and the material they've 250 00:14:26,134 --> 00:14:29,894 Speaker 3: been given is horrendous. Miranda is not Miranda anymore, let's 251 00:14:29,934 --> 00:14:33,014 Speaker 3: be clear. Sarah Jessica Parker, I think is still bringing 252 00:14:33,214 --> 00:14:36,534 Speaker 3: something to the table, and I think there are glimmers 253 00:14:36,534 --> 00:14:39,134 Speaker 3: of Carrie that do come through, and that's because Sarah 254 00:14:39,174 --> 00:14:42,534 Speaker 3: Jessica Parker is incredible and she knows that character so well, 255 00:14:42,774 --> 00:14:44,814 Speaker 3: so there has been moments like I think when dealing 256 00:14:44,854 --> 00:14:46,934 Speaker 3: with the grief of Big I actually thought that was 257 00:14:47,134 --> 00:14:49,894 Speaker 3: tackled really well. I think she recently broke up with 258 00:14:49,974 --> 00:14:53,294 Speaker 3: Aiden for the millionth time, and I think even though 259 00:14:53,294 --> 00:14:55,654 Speaker 3: they dragged that story light out way too long, I 260 00:14:55,694 --> 00:14:57,494 Speaker 3: actually got emotional and it was kind of the first 261 00:14:57,534 --> 00:14:59,414 Speaker 3: time in season three, which is not a good season, 262 00:14:59,534 --> 00:15:01,534 Speaker 3: it was the first time that season that I was like, oh, 263 00:15:01,534 --> 00:15:04,334 Speaker 3: I'm feeling something. And that's because of Sarah Jessica Parker. 264 00:15:04,374 --> 00:15:08,174 Speaker 1: Sarah Jessica Parker has said, you know, Carrie Bradshaw has 265 00:15:08,214 --> 00:15:11,614 Speaker 1: been the backbone of her profession career for twenty seven years. 266 00:15:11,654 --> 00:15:13,694 Speaker 1: When Sex and the City ended, I think a lot 267 00:15:13,734 --> 00:15:17,174 Speaker 1: of people wondered, well, what will Carrie Bradshaw do in 268 00:15:17,174 --> 00:15:19,654 Speaker 1: the future, what would that look like? And just like that, 269 00:15:19,694 --> 00:15:21,214 Speaker 1: I don't know if that gives us the answer that 270 00:15:21,254 --> 00:15:23,934 Speaker 1: we're satisfied with, but that is the answer we were given. 271 00:15:24,494 --> 00:15:26,454 Speaker 1: It's now going to wrap up. We know that there'll 272 00:15:26,494 --> 00:15:30,174 Speaker 1: be a two part season finale in season three. What 273 00:15:30,454 --> 00:15:32,134 Speaker 1: do you think is the best way that we bid 274 00:15:32,134 --> 00:15:33,814 Speaker 1: farewell to these characters? 275 00:15:34,334 --> 00:15:36,694 Speaker 3: They could do two roots right, They could do it 276 00:15:36,734 --> 00:15:39,134 Speaker 3: safe and they could do it risky. So I feel 277 00:15:39,134 --> 00:15:41,894 Speaker 3: like the safe way would be maybe m with Carrie 278 00:15:42,174 --> 00:15:46,134 Speaker 3: meeting a guy, maybe a new love is blossoming. Miranda's 279 00:15:46,174 --> 00:15:48,294 Speaker 3: you know, with her girlfriend who I don't really like, 280 00:15:48,654 --> 00:15:51,454 Speaker 3: but that's another story. And then Charlotte's happy with Harry. 281 00:15:51,934 --> 00:15:54,654 Speaker 3: I mean, that's probably how we'll end. Who knows. I 282 00:15:54,694 --> 00:15:58,534 Speaker 3: would prefer it ends with this is very dark. Harry dies, 283 00:15:59,654 --> 00:16:02,094 Speaker 3: Miranda gets rid of her girlfriend because that girlfriend is 284 00:16:02,174 --> 00:16:03,974 Speaker 3: really selfish and I don't like her at all, and 285 00:16:03,974 --> 00:16:06,254 Speaker 3: then Carrie ends up single, and then all the girls 286 00:16:06,334 --> 00:16:09,454 Speaker 3: end up single how they started, And it's kind of like, 287 00:16:09,614 --> 00:16:11,894 Speaker 3: it's a bit hopeful that life can go on. People 288 00:16:12,134 --> 00:16:14,934 Speaker 3: keep on going, and the datings doesn't end in your 289 00:16:14,974 --> 00:16:16,654 Speaker 3: twenties and thirties. It continues. 290 00:16:16,814 --> 00:16:20,054 Speaker 1: Will we eventually look back upon and just like that favorably. 291 00:16:20,094 --> 00:16:22,374 Speaker 1: I know that we're criticizing it, and there's lots to 292 00:16:22,414 --> 00:16:24,534 Speaker 1: be said about it now, but Sex and the City 293 00:16:24,614 --> 00:16:26,494 Speaker 1: was always this very much love show, and when we 294 00:16:26,534 --> 00:16:28,654 Speaker 1: look back at it with a twenty twenty five lens, like, 295 00:16:28,694 --> 00:16:31,214 Speaker 1: we understand that it was problematic. There are things about 296 00:16:31,254 --> 00:16:33,974 Speaker 1: it that were not perfectly framed, and if they did 297 00:16:33,974 --> 00:16:36,654 Speaker 1: it again, maybe they would do it differently. However, that 298 00:16:36,774 --> 00:16:39,974 Speaker 1: is like a universally loved show within just like that. 299 00:16:40,374 --> 00:16:42,534 Speaker 1: Will it eventually get the same reception? Do you think 300 00:16:42,534 --> 00:16:44,574 Speaker 1: in twenty years time people will look back at this 301 00:16:44,614 --> 00:16:47,014 Speaker 1: show how they look back now at Sex and the City. 302 00:16:47,854 --> 00:16:51,814 Speaker 3: No, I think will pretend it didn't happen. The people 303 00:16:51,814 --> 00:16:53,854 Speaker 3: that enjoyed it will acknowledge it. But it will kind 304 00:16:53,894 --> 00:16:55,894 Speaker 3: of be like the Sex and the City two movie 305 00:16:56,454 --> 00:16:59,614 Speaker 3: that many fans might have included, just pretended to, just 306 00:16:59,654 --> 00:17:00,494 Speaker 3: pretend it didn't happen. 307 00:17:00,574 --> 00:17:02,534 Speaker 1: Okay, So the Sex and the City universe ends at 308 00:17:02,574 --> 00:17:06,734 Speaker 1: the end of the first film. For you, for me, yes, 309 00:17:07,854 --> 00:17:10,054 Speaker 1: thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 310 00:17:10,134 --> 00:17:13,094 Speaker 1: us today. The Quikie is produced by me Taylorstrano, and 311 00:17:13,254 --> 00:17:16,254 Speaker 1: Clare Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.