WEBVTT - Anthony Albanese, Prime Minister: The Interview 0:00:10.365 --> 0:00:13.085 You're listening to a MoMA Mea podcast. 0:00:13.885 --> 0:00:16.845 Mama Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.885 --> 0:00:18.485 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:18.725 --> 0:00:19.925 It's a critical election. 0:00:20.405 --> 0:00:24.485 I think that what happens in Australia for the rest 0:00:24.525 --> 0:00:28.005 of this decade will either set us up for the 0:00:28.085 --> 0:00:31.645 decades ahead or or just tread water and what the 0:00:31.685 --> 0:00:36.645 world go past us. It's a fast moving world and 0:00:37.205 --> 0:00:39.365 one of the things that we've had to deal with 0:00:39.725 --> 0:00:44.245 is what I regard as a decade of inaction on 0:00:44.525 --> 0:00:51.125 areas like climate change, gender equity, education, health, so many 0:00:51.205 --> 0:00:55.765 areas where we've had to repair what I regard as 0:00:55.845 --> 0:01:00.165 damage or in some cases just deal with inaction. 0:01:08.245 --> 0:01:12.365 You're listening to us episode of No Filter. I'm your host, 0:01:12.885 --> 0:01:18.045 Kate Langebrook. Soon Australian women will face a significant decision 0:01:18.685 --> 0:01:21.445 in the coming weeks. They will help choose the next 0:01:21.445 --> 0:01:25.525 Prime Minister. And it's a big election in a world 0:01:25.525 --> 0:01:30.245 that feels uncertain, with many concerned about their future, their 0:01:30.285 --> 0:01:34.565 immediate and their children's. Because our mission here at Mamma 0:01:34.645 --> 0:01:36.605 Maya is to make the world a better place for 0:01:36.685 --> 0:01:40.485 women and girls, we have invited both Prime Minister Anthony 0:01:40.485 --> 0:01:44.605 Albanezi and the Opposition leader Peter Dutton onto No Filter 0:01:45.245 --> 0:01:49.725 to speak directly to you. Today's episode is with a 0:01:49.725 --> 0:01:52.565 man who's been in the driver's seat of Australian leadership 0:01:52.565 --> 0:01:55.925 for the past three years. He'll open up about the 0:01:55.965 --> 0:02:00.445 personal toll of politics, handling the public perception of himself, 0:02:01.045 --> 0:02:05.685 who his friends are, and how he's scheduling in his 0:02:05.845 --> 0:02:10.685 wedding preparations. No other Prime minister has ever had to 0:02:10.725 --> 0:02:18.525 do that. Here's my conversation with Prime Minister Anthony ALBANSI. Oh, 0:02:18.565 --> 0:02:21.565 mister alban easy, although I feel I'm on Australian if 0:02:21.605 --> 0:02:22.245 I don't say. 0:02:22.045 --> 0:02:25.525 Albow, absolutely welcome to No Filter. 0:02:25.925 --> 0:02:26.645 Good to be here. 0:02:27.685 --> 0:02:30.965 Last night I was actually listening to the last No 0:02:31.085 --> 0:02:34.165 Filter you did, which you did with Maya. 0:02:34.325 --> 0:02:35.205 It was a while ago. 0:02:35.445 --> 0:02:37.365 It was a while ago, it was before you were 0:02:37.405 --> 0:02:43.325 Prime minister. It was so extraordinary that I'm just going 0:02:43.365 --> 0:02:45.005 to say to listeners just go back and have a 0:02:45.045 --> 0:02:47.725 listen to it. Your life story, which I kind of 0:02:47.805 --> 0:02:50.885 knew in an you know, in a brief version. 0:02:51.445 --> 0:02:53.725 I knew about your mom and you growing up. 0:02:53.565 --> 0:02:58.165 In social housing and Da da da, but the story 0:02:58.205 --> 0:03:01.245 about your dad and never knowing your dad and thinking 0:03:01.245 --> 0:03:05.365 that he was dead and then you going to Italy 0:03:05.565 --> 0:03:07.125 after your mother's passing. 0:03:08.285 --> 0:03:12.925 Yeah, no, it was I was told in detail with 0:03:13.565 --> 0:03:17.765 Maya that would have been before the twenty twenty two election. 0:03:18.005 --> 0:03:22.605 Yes, and you were the leader of the opposition, I. 0:03:22.525 --> 0:03:26.525 Was, indeed, and now you're much better job, I was. 0:03:26.645 --> 0:03:28.085 Do you think this is better. 0:03:28.605 --> 0:03:31.885 Because you can do things? Being Prime Minister is an 0:03:31.925 --> 0:03:36.165 incredible privilege. I sat down with some of my staff 0:03:36.565 --> 0:03:41.245 today signing approvals for funding various programs. 0:03:41.325 --> 0:03:43.365 You can really make a difference. 0:03:43.525 --> 0:03:48.085 And that's why I'm a member of a party of government, 0:03:48.685 --> 0:03:50.685 is that you can make change. 0:03:51.205 --> 0:03:54.085 Well, my brother is a politician, and he's a liberal 0:03:54.205 --> 0:03:58.085 politician in Queensland and they, as you will know, spent 0:03:58.525 --> 0:04:00.285 just I think eight years in opposition. 0:04:01.005 --> 0:04:04.165 They spent most of the last three decades in opposition. 0:04:06.005 --> 0:04:10.325 When he's a lot happier now. I noticed that about him. 0:04:10.405 --> 0:04:13.765 He's a lot happier now and as a result of 0:04:15.405 --> 0:04:21.045 I think his engagement with his branch of politics. I've 0:04:21.165 --> 0:04:26.765 kind of stayed out of politics and not really like 0:04:26.805 --> 0:04:28.685 a lot of people, not had the time or the 0:04:28.885 --> 0:04:30.845 inclination to dive deep into it. 0:04:31.205 --> 0:04:33.045 But this is a very important election. 0:04:33.885 --> 0:04:35.085 It's a critical election. 0:04:35.565 --> 0:04:39.645 I think that what happens in Australia for the rest 0:04:39.685 --> 0:04:43.165 of this decade will either set us up for the 0:04:43.245 --> 0:04:47.125 decades ahead or just tread water and what the world 0:04:47.165 --> 0:04:52.605 go past us. It's a fast moving world and one 0:04:52.605 --> 0:04:55.085 of the things that we've had to deal with is 0:04:56.045 --> 0:05:00.245 what I regard as a decade of inaction on areas 0:05:00.405 --> 0:05:06.925 like climate change, gender equity, education, health, so many areas 0:05:07.005 --> 0:05:11.645 where we've had to repair what I regard as damage 0:05:11.965 --> 0:05:17.765 or in some cases just deal with inaction which was there. 0:05:18.205 --> 0:05:21.765 Or sometimes issues that didn't exist. 0:05:21.325 --> 0:05:23.645 And that's true, and then you get things coming at 0:05:23.685 --> 0:05:28.565 you that you didn't anticipate. No one thought there'd be 0:05:28.605 --> 0:05:32.005 a land war in Europe that this week passed three 0:05:32.125 --> 0:05:35.565 years after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and that's had 0:05:35.565 --> 0:05:39.205 an impact on global inflation along with that long tale 0:05:39.205 --> 0:05:43.725 of COVID. People didn't anticipate when we're elected in twenty 0:05:43.845 --> 0:05:48.405 twenty two that there would be this global inflationary spike 0:05:49.045 --> 0:05:51.205 that impacted every economy in the world. 0:05:51.605 --> 0:05:55.085 And there's so much stuff going on at the same time. 0:05:55.125 --> 0:06:03.165 And you mentioned in COVID, but I think as a politician, 0:06:03.245 --> 0:06:06.045 you probably have a very clear sense of this that 0:06:06.645 --> 0:06:09.925 people's relationships and how they feel about politicians is quite 0:06:09.965 --> 0:06:11.085 different post COVID. 0:06:11.445 --> 0:06:14.285 Because it was such a brutal time for. 0:06:14.365 --> 0:06:18.925 Many, Australians showed incredible discipline. I've got to say at 0:06:18.925 --> 0:06:24.005 that time overwhelmingly they responded to the health advice by 0:06:24.045 --> 0:06:28.125 getting vaccinated. They responded to some of the restrictions that 0:06:28.165 --> 0:06:31.605 were there by accepting them and complying with them. 0:06:31.885 --> 0:06:35.125 But it was a tough time. Oh. 0:06:35.405 --> 0:06:41.245 People understood that they needed to, for example, get vaccinated 0:06:41.325 --> 0:06:45.365 in order to protect their health. And Australians also have 0:06:45.565 --> 0:06:49.605 this sense of looking after each other, and people understood 0:06:50.645 --> 0:06:54.045 that if people said, oh, well, don't worry about the. 0:06:55.645 --> 0:06:56.805 Restrictions, I'm going. 0:06:56.765 --> 0:07:00.565 To go visit the age care home unvaccinated, not worry 0:07:00.605 --> 0:07:05.085 about the implications, that's not the Australian way. Australians did 0:07:06.285 --> 0:07:10.285 really look after each other during that period. I was 0:07:10.325 --> 0:07:15.485 opposition leader and we had to respond in a way 0:07:15.525 --> 0:07:20.685 that was constructive. We said to the then government, the 0:07:20.725 --> 0:07:26.245 Morrison government, that even where we disagreed with specific policies, 0:07:26.725 --> 0:07:28.925 we disagreed with people taking this super out. 0:07:29.565 --> 0:07:33.245 We said that is a. 0:07:32.565 --> 0:07:36.685 Mistake that will lead to less retirement and for people. 0:07:38.045 --> 0:07:42.685 But we also said we were going to not allow 0:07:42.725 --> 0:07:45.205 the perfect to be the enemy of the good, so 0:07:45.285 --> 0:07:49.765 we moved our amendments. When the amendments weren't carried, we 0:07:50.005 --> 0:07:52.925 allowed the legislation to pass. 0:07:53.365 --> 0:07:57.365 Now that required us to put aside. 0:07:57.005 --> 0:08:03.445 What historically in Australia is a partisan, competitive, adverse aial system. 0:08:04.525 --> 0:08:06.205 So we voted for all of that, and that was 0:08:06.245 --> 0:08:09.205 the right thing to do. It saved life. 0:08:10.645 --> 0:08:18.285 That you say competitive and adversarial environment, I think a 0:08:18.325 --> 0:08:24.085 lot of Australians don't necessarily believe that, and believe that 0:08:24.125 --> 0:08:27.765 there's more of a UNI party than they would like 0:08:27.885 --> 0:08:28.445 to believe. 0:08:30.205 --> 0:08:31.445 I don't think that's right. 0:08:32.325 --> 0:08:36.525 There is certainly areas of agreement and that's a good thing. 0:08:36.565 --> 0:08:39.685 Australians also have conflict fatigue. I don't think they want 0:08:39.765 --> 0:08:42.765 to see a politicians yelling at each other. I don't 0:08:42.805 --> 0:08:45.325 think they want to see the polarization that we see 0:08:45.325 --> 0:08:49.485 in the United States. They want people to be able 0:08:49.525 --> 0:08:55.845 to have respectful disagreement and dialogue. That's something that I 0:08:55.965 --> 0:09:01.605 try to do, but it is it is hard because 0:09:02.005 --> 0:09:05.805 I think in canber for example, over cost of living 0:09:05.845 --> 0:09:11.725 pressures the opposition of chosen to vote against all of 0:09:11.725 --> 0:09:13.005 our costs of living support. 0:09:14.565 --> 0:09:22.645 It's interesting because I think the personal is political, and 0:09:23.045 --> 0:09:27.365 much of your politics is influenced by your past experience 0:09:27.365 --> 0:09:30.285 and your growing up and even the way that you 0:09:30.405 --> 0:09:33.405 navigate the world. Like what that means, I think is 0:09:33.965 --> 0:09:41.845 that you can be seen as slightly populist, and that's 0:09:42.005 --> 0:09:47.565 seen as maybe being weak. And yet when I look 0:09:47.605 --> 0:09:53.405 at the list of policies that have come about under 0:09:53.445 --> 0:09:59.805 your leadership, they're quite extensive. How do you feel about 0:09:59.885 --> 0:10:01.925 your the public perception of you. 0:10:02.765 --> 0:10:11.285 Well, Kindness isn't weakness. Kindness is a strength, is a 0:10:11.405 --> 0:10:15.925 value that I have. It is how I was raised. 0:10:16.765 --> 0:10:21.285 And one of the things that's happened from some sections 0:10:21.325 --> 0:10:26.045 of the media is that they confuse words and actions. 0:10:27.045 --> 0:10:31.045 You show you are strong through your actions, not by yelling, 0:10:32.365 --> 0:10:41.165 not by using language which is about conflict. And if 0:10:41.205 --> 0:10:44.485 you look at what we have done in taking on 0:10:44.965 --> 0:10:51.405 powerful vested interests, in pursuing changes that are pretty gutsy, 0:10:52.565 --> 0:10:58.125 no one in mainstream media came out when we said 0:10:58.405 --> 0:11:01.925 I'm going to change the tax cuts that have been 0:11:02.045 --> 0:11:07.085 legislated in order to take money off people at the 0:11:07.125 --> 0:11:10.885 top end and redistributed, so four and a half thousand 0:11:10.965 --> 0:11:14.245 dollars you will get instead of nine thousand dollars. Yes, 0:11:14.325 --> 0:11:17.085 but we're going to give it so that low income 0:11:17.285 --> 0:11:21.365 and middle income Australians who are hurting more than high 0:11:21.405 --> 0:11:26.085 income Australians get a tax cut. Front pages of the 0:11:26.125 --> 0:11:33.285 papers that we expected were strident, shall I say in 0:11:33.325 --> 0:11:37.725 their language personally abusive. That was a gutsy call and 0:11:37.805 --> 0:11:41.285 we're making that like it was a broken promise, and 0:11:42.205 --> 0:11:44.525 we did change our position. I went to the National 0:11:44.605 --> 0:11:49.285 Press Club and changed our position. I'm someone who has 0:11:49.365 --> 0:11:53.685 spoken at the National Press Club ten times as Labor leader. 0:11:54.125 --> 0:11:57.965 Peter Dutton's score is zero. It hasn't been near it. 0:12:01.165 --> 0:12:02.165 Coming up after. 0:12:01.965 --> 0:12:05.005 This break, the PM tells me what labor has done 0:12:05.165 --> 0:12:09.165 over the past three years and what's next on climate change, 0:12:09.405 --> 0:12:12.285 economy and the gender pay gap. 0:12:16.325 --> 0:12:19.885 Well, what we are doing is taking serious action or 0:12:19.925 --> 0:12:26.045 climate change. We have worked through forty three percent target 0:12:26.045 --> 0:12:30.525 by twenty thirty, and not just an objective, but a 0:12:30.605 --> 0:12:34.325 vehicle to get there through We've got the safeguard mechanism 0:12:34.445 --> 0:12:38.365 that take the largest emitters. There's more than one hundred 0:12:38.685 --> 0:12:44.485 institutions place, so Tommago smelter or minds and they have 0:12:44.685 --> 0:12:49.005 to reduce their emissions over time or else there's a 0:12:49.045 --> 0:12:52.845 penalty for them to do. So we've got a capacity 0:12:52.885 --> 0:12:57.925 investment scheme that is working with industry on that transition 0:12:58.045 --> 0:13:03.525 to get there. And so we haven't done what the 0:13:03.525 --> 0:13:06.685 previous government did, which is set and forget that saw 0:13:07.045 --> 0:13:10.525 four gigawatts of energy leave the system and only one 0:13:10.845 --> 0:13:16.445 be created. We've approved enough renewable projects, for example, to 0:13:16.645 --> 0:13:21.845 power eight million homes in Australia in just we haven't 0:13:21.845 --> 0:13:24.965 been in government for three years yet, so we have 0:13:25.845 --> 0:13:28.845 made sure that we're working on that. You can't do 0:13:28.925 --> 0:13:33.405 it overnight because you will lose support for climate change 0:13:33.445 --> 0:13:36.205 action if someone walks into a room and flicks the 0:13:36.285 --> 0:13:38.845 light switch and the lights don't go on. So you 0:13:38.925 --> 0:13:43.165 need that transition and that's what we have been doing 0:13:44.125 --> 0:13:48.485 and been doing it i think effectively after that decade 0:13:48.525 --> 0:13:52.565 of inaction, and we've worked with industry and the environment movement. 0:13:53.165 --> 0:13:55.765 What I'm focused on is what I can do as 0:13:55.805 --> 0:13:59.645 Prime Minister who was elected in twenty twenty two, and 0:13:59.805 --> 0:14:03.565 what we can do is make sure that we look 0:14:03.605 --> 0:14:07.845 after Australia's national interests, that we have an economy that's growing, 0:14:08.045 --> 0:14:13.525 which we've got, We've got real wages growing five quarters 0:14:13.565 --> 0:14:17.685 in a row. We took on big companies like BHP 0:14:17.885 --> 0:14:22.285 objected to our same job, same pay legislation. 0:14:22.405 --> 0:14:25.565 I've met young people in that. 0:14:25.685 --> 0:14:30.405 Industry and others who are earning thirty four thousand dollars 0:14:30.965 --> 0:14:35.805 a year extra in their pockets as a result of 0:14:35.885 --> 0:14:40.565 the same job, same pay legislation. Workers at quantas, the 0:14:40.645 --> 0:14:46.085 same thing has occurred. So we've been prepared to do 0:14:46.165 --> 0:14:49.765 that in order to make sure that people are looked after. 0:14:49.965 --> 0:14:54.805 So we now have the economy growing, wages growing, inflation falling, 0:14:55.365 --> 0:14:56.685 interest rates starting to. 0:14:56.605 --> 0:14:58.045 Fall as well. 0:14:59.325 --> 0:15:03.445 We've navigated what have been really turbulent seas, but we've 0:15:03.485 --> 0:15:07.125 had our eye on that horizon of what's the objective 0:15:07.245 --> 0:15:10.085 of how do we build a faires society as well, 0:15:10.125 --> 0:15:12.645 because a fairer society is a stronger one. 0:15:12.525 --> 0:15:18.045 Correct, and particularly when it comes to women and girls, 0:15:19.085 --> 0:15:23.125 and that seems to be an area if we can 0:15:23.165 --> 0:15:26.605 be referred to as an area that's. 0:15:26.165 --> 0:15:27.925 More than half the population. 0:15:27.525 --> 0:15:30.765 Well that's right, but often not treated like that. And 0:15:30.845 --> 0:15:31.765 so just some of the. 0:15:33.325 --> 0:15:36.525 Policy at a policy level, you know, paid parental leave, 0:15:37.285 --> 0:15:41.045 the superannuation to be added to paid parental leave, policy 0:15:41.125 --> 0:15:48.205 changes in regards to contraception and support for menopause and indo, 0:15:48.845 --> 0:15:52.045 I wanted to ask you about to that end and 0:15:52.285 --> 0:15:57.205 apropos of your mum, whose experience we know about with 0:15:57.245 --> 0:16:00.765 the rheumatoid arthritis and often she was incapacitated and unable 0:16:00.805 --> 0:16:04.565 to work. And there are a lot of predominantly women 0:16:04.565 --> 0:16:09.485 in Australia who end up being cares. Yeah, you know 0:16:09.485 --> 0:16:13.285 we were talking earlier. Was you were really paraphrasing Rihanna? 0:16:13.325 --> 0:16:16.205 All of my kindness is taken for weakness, but that's 0:16:16.205 --> 0:16:21.005 what happens to women who are cares. Is there any 0:16:21.325 --> 0:16:26.885 plan to perhaps provide superannuation which I know will happen 0:16:26.885 --> 0:16:30.125 as part of paid parental leave from July this year? Rant, 0:16:31.005 --> 0:16:35.245 Is there any plan for that to happen for cares 0:16:35.965 --> 0:16:39.445 so that these women we know that there's a big 0:16:39.445 --> 0:16:43.165 issue with homelessness, particularly for older women, so that they 0:16:43.405 --> 0:16:48.445 are not punished for having done God's work or some 0:16:48.565 --> 0:16:49.885 might say government's work. 0:16:50.645 --> 0:16:54.645 As second term agenda will be just as big as 0:16:54.645 --> 0:16:58.645 our first. But in our first term, as you say, 0:16:59.645 --> 0:17:02.645 we've had one of the first pieces of legislation was 0:17:02.685 --> 0:17:08.045 ten days paid domestian family violence leave. We introduced permanently 0:17:08.125 --> 0:17:13.885 now the leaving farllance payment. We've had more than the 0:17:14.005 --> 0:17:19.285 funding for five hundred community workers and Amanda Rishworth, our Minister, 0:17:19.525 --> 0:17:22.605 got the final sign off for every state and territory 0:17:22.845 --> 0:17:28.405 for our Joint Agreement on dealing with Domestic Violence that 0:17:28.525 --> 0:17:32.565 came out of the National Cabinet. Now that's a comprehensive plan. 0:17:32.645 --> 0:17:38.205 It deals with increased funding for emergency accommodation. We have 0:17:39.125 --> 0:17:42.765 had half a billion dollars of additional funding for community 0:17:42.885 --> 0:17:47.565 legal services that often are used by women to provide 0:17:47.605 --> 0:17:52.245 them support. In our first budget we had something that 0:17:52.405 --> 0:17:55.725 was dear to me was a single parenting payment and 0:17:55.765 --> 0:17:59.365 so the child used to be eight now it's fourteen, 0:18:00.045 --> 0:18:03.645 and some has identified in her report that that was 0:18:03.805 --> 0:18:08.765 a really important manner. We've had all fifty five recommendations 0:18:08.805 --> 0:18:13.245 of the Risks at Work Report done by Kate Jenkins implemented, 0:18:13.645 --> 0:18:20.285 and that included legislating that employers have a responsibility to 0:18:20.365 --> 0:18:25.405 provide safe workplaces where that is possible, but an obligation 0:18:25.525 --> 0:18:29.165 for them to give consideration to that, something that was 0:18:29.205 --> 0:18:36.605 resisted by some of the employers were reduced the gender 0:18:36.645 --> 0:18:38.285 pay gap to a record load. 0:18:38.365 --> 0:18:39.485 That's not by accident. 0:18:39.845 --> 0:18:42.245 We change the Fair Work Act so that gender pay 0:18:42.325 --> 0:18:47.325 equity is a consideration of the Fair Work Commission. So 0:18:47.365 --> 0:18:52.525 we've had three increases in a row, substantial lifting up 0:18:52.645 --> 0:18:53.885 the minimum wage. 0:18:54.245 --> 0:18:55.205 During the last. 0:18:54.925 --> 0:18:58.925 Campaign, the then government, the Morrison government, said the world 0:18:58.965 --> 0:19:01.525 would fall in and the economy would be ruined if 0:19:01.525 --> 0:19:04.725 we got an extra dollar an hour. Who were working 0:19:04.765 --> 0:19:07.245 their guts out the heroes of the pandemic, you know, 0:19:07.325 --> 0:19:09.245 our cleaners and real tail workers. 0:19:09.725 --> 0:19:10.485 So we did that. 0:19:10.805 --> 0:19:17.885 Were provided considerable increases fifteen percent for child care workers, 0:19:17.965 --> 0:19:22.325 early educators, more than that for age care workers. Those 0:19:22.365 --> 0:19:27.565 systems were ready to collapse. And it is feminized industries 0:19:27.965 --> 0:19:32.325 that had fallen behind. Because why do you think that 0:19:32.525 --> 0:19:36.125 is because women who are working and it is largely 0:19:36.165 --> 0:19:40.125 a feminized workforce in the age care sector, aren't going 0:19:40.165 --> 0:19:43.485 to go Now I'm going to leave maybson bill on 0:19:43.525 --> 0:19:45.525 their own and not going to work. 0:19:45.525 --> 0:19:47.085 I'm going to take industrial action. 0:19:48.205 --> 0:19:52.885 There's a different circumstance that they're in compared with a 0:19:52.965 --> 0:19:58.085 construction worker or a warfee. And hence that over a 0:19:58.125 --> 0:20:03.765 period of time had had an impact on the wage differentials, 0:20:04.285 --> 0:20:09.685 which had a real gender basis to them, and so 0:20:09.725 --> 0:20:14.085 the care sector had fallen behind. When we were lasting government, 0:20:14.965 --> 0:20:19.205 we fixed an award for sex for social and community 0:20:19.485 --> 0:20:24.125 service workers, again largely feminized, and that was one of 0:20:24.165 --> 0:20:28.085 the last things that we legislated in the Gillard and 0:20:28.165 --> 0:20:33.565 Rudd governments in twenty thirteen. But child care and age 0:20:33.605 --> 0:20:36.405 care had fallen behind. 0:20:36.485 --> 0:20:37.925 Age care was in crisis. 0:20:38.045 --> 0:20:40.925 People were leaving the sector because you could earn more 0:20:41.005 --> 0:20:45.645 stacking shelves than you could. Know, it's tough work lifting 0:20:47.205 --> 0:20:49.325 elderly people, caring for them. 0:20:49.605 --> 0:20:50.445 It's tough, not. 0:20:50.405 --> 0:20:56.765 Just physically and emotionally. They become their best friends. So 0:20:57.005 --> 0:21:00.205 all of those measures that we put in place, our 0:21:00.325 --> 0:21:04.405 tax cuts, by the way, by taking the tax cuts 0:21:04.445 --> 0:21:08.965 off the top end and redistributing them, that had an 0:21:09.005 --> 0:21:13.365 annoy almost benefit for women and young people because they 0:21:13.725 --> 0:21:16.245 got more in their pocket. 0:21:17.085 --> 0:21:18.165 It's as simple as. 0:21:18.045 --> 0:21:22.685 That, you know, speaking all of those measures speaking of really. 0:21:22.525 --> 0:21:24.485 Important, they are important. 0:21:25.005 --> 0:21:29.245 Okay, So all of those achievements, why aren't you a 0:21:29.365 --> 0:21:30.485 hitting the polls? 0:21:31.245 --> 0:21:31.565 Well? 0:21:31.845 --> 0:21:32.565 Why is that? 0:21:32.965 --> 0:21:34.365 Governments around the world. 0:21:34.645 --> 0:21:39.285 It's a diffult time with cost of living pressures and 0:21:39.325 --> 0:21:44.245 I think for some areas on tax cuts, we need 0:21:44.285 --> 0:21:47.565 to remind people that was a conscious decision and people 0:21:47.605 --> 0:21:52.725 who are on that first tax level weren't going to 0:21:52.725 --> 0:21:57.925 get a scent and people on middle incomes we're going 0:21:57.925 --> 0:22:00.925 to get far less. Will remind them of that, will 0:22:01.005 --> 0:22:03.645 remind them of wages. 0:22:04.165 --> 0:22:06.085 People are under pressure, so. 0:22:06.125 --> 0:22:09.165 They are all of all of those measures we will 0:22:09.205 --> 0:22:13.125 be talking about in coming weeks and months. And at 0:22:13.125 --> 0:22:21.845 the moment people judge the government or perfection, this election 0:22:21.965 --> 0:22:28.285 is about labor led by me, imperfection. Absolutely, governments are 0:22:28.365 --> 0:22:33.285 perfect and a coalition led by Peter Dutton, a labor 0:22:33.325 --> 0:22:37.725 government that is more than fifty percent women in our 0:22:37.805 --> 0:22:39.245 caucus first time ever. 0:22:40.005 --> 0:22:41.565 That's diverse as well. 0:22:41.645 --> 0:22:44.405 That reflects if you look at one side of the 0:22:44.445 --> 0:22:49.445 Parliament we look like Australia. The other side looks like 0:22:49.485 --> 0:22:53.685 a bunch of blokes, a bunch of Anglo Celtic blokes largely. 0:22:54.405 --> 0:23:01.525 And our cabinet chair, a cabinet that has eleven men 0:23:01.565 --> 0:23:07.765 and eleven women senior strong women in senior positions, Pennywon, 0:23:07.965 --> 0:23:13.085 Katie gallaher, all of those people are so strong and 0:23:13.205 --> 0:23:18.845 that has an impact on policy, on what we do 0:23:18.965 --> 0:23:24.885 because there's people who are connected up with those communities, 0:23:25.605 --> 0:23:30.845 and it means that gender isn't an add on, isn't 0:23:31.045 --> 0:23:35.525 like a nice to have a curiosity. It's just what 0:23:35.605 --> 0:23:40.045 we do in every cabinet submissions. What is the gender 0:23:40.285 --> 0:23:45.045 impact now, Peter it doun't's talking about sacking thirty six 0:23:45.205 --> 0:23:51.885 thousand public servants, talking about reflecting what's going on in 0:23:51.965 --> 0:23:57.285 the US as well with this attack on diversity and inclusion. 0:23:57.405 --> 0:23:58.565 Well, this is interesting. 0:23:58.845 --> 0:24:06.045 Do you think that appetite that's manifested in America will 0:24:06.085 --> 0:24:07.125 be reflected here? 0:24:07.685 --> 0:24:13.885 I think we're a very different societ and we need 0:24:14.285 --> 0:24:19.485 our Australian values to be reflected. There was criticism of 0:24:19.565 --> 0:24:23.685 the government of me when I appointed Sam Mouston as 0:24:24.085 --> 0:24:27.245 the Governor General of Australia and the second woman to 0:24:27.285 --> 0:24:32.725 be appointed. Sam Moston is an incredibly qualified, accomplished woman, 0:24:32.805 --> 0:24:38.605 the first woman to be an AFL commissioner, someone who's 0:24:38.645 --> 0:24:45.005 the daughter of a senior Australian Defense Force person her 0:24:45.085 --> 0:24:49.445 dad and grew up in that Defense Force environment. 0:24:49.005 --> 0:24:52.085 So I was aware of that aspect of the job. 0:24:52.605 --> 0:24:55.805 Someone who's been on the Business Council of Australia executive, 0:24:55.925 --> 0:25:01.245 been on multiple boards of Transurban and virgin and a 0:25:01.325 --> 0:25:12.165 whole host of major ASXST did companies. She's someone who 0:25:12.205 --> 0:25:16.485 is incredibly well qualified. But it was why are you 0:25:16.605 --> 0:25:24.365 appointing someone again from the a former bloke from the military. 0:25:25.165 --> 0:25:26.965 Or not a former bloke still a blow it's still 0:25:26.965 --> 0:25:31.405 a bloke, but formerly from the military, imagine, And. 0:25:33.125 --> 0:25:35.765 I'm really proud that we did that. 0:25:37.005 --> 0:25:42.565 I'm proud that we have appointed women to senior positions 0:25:42.565 --> 0:25:44.405 across the whole range of areas. 0:25:44.445 --> 0:25:46.445 You know, the head of the Productivity. 0:25:45.805 --> 0:25:48.885 Commission across a range of areas, women's in charge of finance, 0:25:49.445 --> 0:25:54.685 and that is reflected in our government. You get it's 0:25:54.725 --> 0:25:59.285 not tokenism. You get a stronger outcome when you're mobilizing 0:25:59.325 --> 0:26:01.845 the talents of all of your people, not just half. 0:26:02.845 --> 0:26:05.365 That's not all of my conversation with Prime Minister Anthony 0:26:05.405 --> 0:26:09.565 Albanezi after this short break. We talk about his meat 0:26:09.645 --> 0:26:14.645 with Jody, his partner, how the wedding plans are going, 0:26:15.005 --> 0:26:18.285 which no other Australian Prime minister has ever planned a 0:26:18.325 --> 0:26:19.085 wedding while in. 0:26:19.045 --> 0:26:22.645 Office, and also his dog Toto. 0:26:28.365 --> 0:26:32.445 Against this backdrop of the work that you have to 0:26:32.485 --> 0:26:37.565 do and that you chose choosing to do. Your personal 0:26:37.605 --> 0:26:44.485 life was also evolving at that point. I'm interested in 0:26:44.525 --> 0:26:48.565 how those two things run concurrently. And you've spoken before, 0:26:48.605 --> 0:26:52.165 and you've spoken quite publicly, and it's an experience that 0:26:52.205 --> 0:26:54.965 a lot of Australians share with the end of a relationship, 0:26:55.005 --> 0:27:00.045 a significant relationship, Your wife, Carmel, and how you had 0:27:00.085 --> 0:27:01.005 to pick yourself. 0:27:00.725 --> 0:27:03.205 Up from that? Was New Year's Day? 0:27:03.325 --> 0:27:06.845 You said, did you say New Year's Day? 0:27:08.365 --> 0:27:12.765 Well, that was a decision that she made and I 0:27:12.925 --> 0:27:16.525 had to come to terms with that and just accept it. 0:27:16.645 --> 0:27:20.805 She made a decision that she wanted her life to 0:27:20.845 --> 0:27:22.725 go in a different direction. 0:27:24.165 --> 0:27:25.445 I accepted that. 0:27:26.285 --> 0:27:31.365 I went away to the UK and to Portugal for 0:27:31.605 --> 0:27:35.165 a couple weeks before the twenty nineteen election, and it 0:27:35.205 --> 0:27:38.805 was quite good to just spend some time with myself. 0:27:39.725 --> 0:27:43.045 And how was yourself came back at that time? 0:27:43.125 --> 0:27:43.605 Were you? 0:27:44.165 --> 0:27:47.365 Oh, Look, it was a difficult period because it wasn't 0:27:47.525 --> 0:27:53.765 expected and always difficult, of course, and we had spent 0:27:53.885 --> 0:27:58.845 thirty years together. But I came back, threw myself into 0:27:58.885 --> 0:28:03.845 the twenty nineteen campaign. We were expected to win and 0:28:04.125 --> 0:28:10.725 of course weren't successful, and then I was elected unopposed 0:28:10.765 --> 0:28:15.925 as Labor leader. So threw myself very much into that 0:28:16.365 --> 0:28:19.925 as well. It was a diffult time for the Labor 0:28:19.965 --> 0:28:24.805