1 00:00:10,365 --> 00:00:13,085 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mea podcast. 2 00:00:13,885 --> 00:00:16,845 Speaker 2: Mama Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:16,885 --> 00:00:18,485 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:18,725 --> 00:00:19,925 Speaker 1: It's a critical election. 5 00:00:20,405 --> 00:00:24,485 Speaker 3: I think that what happens in Australia for the rest 6 00:00:24,525 --> 00:00:28,005 Speaker 3: of this decade will either set us up for the 7 00:00:28,085 --> 00:00:31,645 Speaker 3: decades ahead or or just tread water and what the 8 00:00:31,685 --> 00:00:36,645 Speaker 3: world go past us. It's a fast moving world and 9 00:00:37,205 --> 00:00:39,365 Speaker 3: one of the things that we've had to deal with 10 00:00:39,725 --> 00:00:44,245 Speaker 3: is what I regard as a decade of inaction on 11 00:00:44,525 --> 00:00:51,125 Speaker 3: areas like climate change, gender equity, education, health, so many 12 00:00:51,205 --> 00:00:55,765 Speaker 3: areas where we've had to repair what I regard as 13 00:00:55,845 --> 00:01:00,165 Speaker 3: damage or in some cases just deal with inaction. 14 00:01:08,245 --> 00:01:12,365 Speaker 4: You're listening to us episode of No Filter. I'm your host, 15 00:01:12,885 --> 00:01:18,045 Speaker 4: Kate Langebrook. Soon Australian women will face a significant decision 16 00:01:18,685 --> 00:01:21,445 Speaker 4: in the coming weeks. They will help choose the next 17 00:01:21,445 --> 00:01:25,525 Speaker 4: Prime Minister. And it's a big election in a world 18 00:01:25,525 --> 00:01:30,245 Speaker 4: that feels uncertain, with many concerned about their future, their 19 00:01:30,285 --> 00:01:34,565 Speaker 4: immediate and their children's. Because our mission here at Mamma 20 00:01:34,645 --> 00:01:36,605 Speaker 4: Maya is to make the world a better place for 21 00:01:36,685 --> 00:01:40,485 Speaker 4: women and girls, we have invited both Prime Minister Anthony 22 00:01:40,485 --> 00:01:44,605 Speaker 4: Albanezi and the Opposition leader Peter Dutton onto No Filter 23 00:01:45,245 --> 00:01:49,725 Speaker 4: to speak directly to you. Today's episode is with a 24 00:01:49,725 --> 00:01:52,565 Speaker 4: man who's been in the driver's seat of Australian leadership 25 00:01:52,565 --> 00:01:55,925 Speaker 4: for the past three years. He'll open up about the 26 00:01:55,965 --> 00:02:00,445 Speaker 4: personal toll of politics, handling the public perception of himself, 27 00:02:01,045 --> 00:02:05,685 Speaker 4: who his friends are, and how he's scheduling in his 28 00:02:05,845 --> 00:02:10,685 Speaker 4: wedding preparations. No other Prime minister has ever had to 29 00:02:10,725 --> 00:02:18,525 Speaker 4: do that. Here's my conversation with Prime Minister Anthony ALBANSI. Oh, 30 00:02:18,565 --> 00:02:21,565 Speaker 4: mister alban easy, although I feel I'm on Australian if 31 00:02:21,605 --> 00:02:22,245 Speaker 4: I don't say. 32 00:02:22,045 --> 00:02:25,525 Speaker 2: Albow, absolutely welcome to No Filter. 33 00:02:25,925 --> 00:02:26,645 Speaker 1: Good to be here. 34 00:02:27,685 --> 00:02:30,965 Speaker 4: Last night I was actually listening to the last No 35 00:02:31,085 --> 00:02:34,165 Speaker 4: Filter you did, which you did with Maya. 36 00:02:34,325 --> 00:02:35,205 Speaker 1: It was a while ago. 37 00:02:35,445 --> 00:02:37,365 Speaker 4: It was a while ago, it was before you were 38 00:02:37,405 --> 00:02:43,325 Speaker 4: Prime minister. It was so extraordinary that I'm just going 39 00:02:43,365 --> 00:02:45,005 Speaker 4: to say to listeners just go back and have a 40 00:02:45,045 --> 00:02:47,725 Speaker 4: listen to it. Your life story, which I kind of 41 00:02:47,805 --> 00:02:50,885 Speaker 4: knew in an you know, in a brief version. 42 00:02:51,445 --> 00:02:53,725 Speaker 2: I knew about your mom and you growing up. 43 00:02:53,565 --> 00:02:58,165 Speaker 4: In social housing and Da da da, but the story 44 00:02:58,205 --> 00:03:01,245 Speaker 4: about your dad and never knowing your dad and thinking 45 00:03:01,245 --> 00:03:05,365 Speaker 4: that he was dead and then you going to Italy 46 00:03:05,565 --> 00:03:07,125 Speaker 4: after your mother's passing. 47 00:03:08,285 --> 00:03:12,925 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it was I was told in detail with 48 00:03:13,565 --> 00:03:17,765 Speaker 3: Maya that would have been before the twenty twenty two election. 49 00:03:18,005 --> 00:03:22,605 Speaker 2: Yes, and you were the leader of the opposition, I. 50 00:03:22,525 --> 00:03:26,525 Speaker 1: Was, indeed, and now you're much better job, I was. 51 00:03:26,645 --> 00:03:28,085 Speaker 2: Do you think this is better. 52 00:03:28,605 --> 00:03:31,885 Speaker 3: Because you can do things? Being Prime Minister is an 53 00:03:31,925 --> 00:03:36,165 Speaker 3: incredible privilege. I sat down with some of my staff 54 00:03:36,565 --> 00:03:41,245 Speaker 3: today signing approvals for funding various programs. 55 00:03:41,325 --> 00:03:43,365 Speaker 1: You can really make a difference. 56 00:03:43,525 --> 00:03:48,085 Speaker 3: And that's why I'm a member of a party of government, 57 00:03:48,685 --> 00:03:50,685 Speaker 3: is that you can make change. 58 00:03:51,205 --> 00:03:54,085 Speaker 2: Well, my brother is a politician, and he's a liberal 59 00:03:54,205 --> 00:03:58,085 Speaker 2: politician in Queensland and they, as you will know, spent 60 00:03:58,525 --> 00:04:00,285 Speaker 2: just I think eight years in opposition. 61 00:04:01,005 --> 00:04:04,165 Speaker 1: They spent most of the last three decades in opposition. 62 00:04:06,005 --> 00:04:10,325 Speaker 4: When he's a lot happier now. I noticed that about him. 63 00:04:10,405 --> 00:04:13,765 Speaker 4: He's a lot happier now and as a result of 64 00:04:15,405 --> 00:04:21,045 Speaker 4: I think his engagement with his branch of politics. I've 65 00:04:21,165 --> 00:04:26,765 Speaker 4: kind of stayed out of politics and not really like 66 00:04:26,805 --> 00:04:28,685 Speaker 4: a lot of people, not had the time or the 67 00:04:28,885 --> 00:04:30,845 Speaker 4: inclination to dive deep into it. 68 00:04:31,205 --> 00:04:33,045 Speaker 2: But this is a very important election. 69 00:04:33,885 --> 00:04:35,085 Speaker 1: It's a critical election. 70 00:04:35,565 --> 00:04:39,645 Speaker 3: I think that what happens in Australia for the rest 71 00:04:39,685 --> 00:04:43,165 Speaker 3: of this decade will either set us up for the 72 00:04:43,245 --> 00:04:47,125 Speaker 3: decades ahead or just tread water and what the world 73 00:04:47,165 --> 00:04:52,605 Speaker 3: go past us. It's a fast moving world and one 74 00:04:52,605 --> 00:04:55,085 Speaker 3: of the things that we've had to deal with is 75 00:04:56,045 --> 00:05:00,245 Speaker 3: what I regard as a decade of inaction on areas 76 00:05:00,405 --> 00:05:06,925 Speaker 3: like climate change, gender equity, education, health, so many areas 77 00:05:07,005 --> 00:05:11,645 Speaker 3: where we've had to repair what I regard as damage 78 00:05:11,965 --> 00:05:17,765 Speaker 3: or in some cases just deal with inaction which was there. 79 00:05:18,205 --> 00:05:21,765 Speaker 4: Or sometimes issues that didn't exist. 80 00:05:21,325 --> 00:05:23,645 Speaker 3: And that's true, and then you get things coming at 81 00:05:23,685 --> 00:05:28,565 Speaker 3: you that you didn't anticipate. No one thought there'd be 82 00:05:28,605 --> 00:05:32,005 Speaker 3: a land war in Europe that this week passed three 83 00:05:32,125 --> 00:05:35,565 Speaker 3: years after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and that's had 84 00:05:35,565 --> 00:05:39,205 Speaker 3: an impact on global inflation along with that long tale 85 00:05:39,205 --> 00:05:43,725 Speaker 3: of COVID. People didn't anticipate when we're elected in twenty 86 00:05:43,845 --> 00:05:48,405 Speaker 3: twenty two that there would be this global inflationary spike 87 00:05:49,045 --> 00:05:51,205 Speaker 3: that impacted every economy in the world. 88 00:05:51,605 --> 00:05:55,085 Speaker 4: And there's so much stuff going on at the same time. 89 00:05:55,125 --> 00:06:03,165 Speaker 4: And you mentioned in COVID, but I think as a politician, 90 00:06:03,245 --> 00:06:06,045 Speaker 4: you probably have a very clear sense of this that 91 00:06:06,645 --> 00:06:09,925 Speaker 4: people's relationships and how they feel about politicians is quite 92 00:06:09,965 --> 00:06:11,085 Speaker 4: different post COVID. 93 00:06:11,445 --> 00:06:14,285 Speaker 2: Because it was such a brutal time for. 94 00:06:14,365 --> 00:06:18,925 Speaker 3: Many, Australians showed incredible discipline. I've got to say at 95 00:06:18,925 --> 00:06:24,005 Speaker 3: that time overwhelmingly they responded to the health advice by 96 00:06:24,045 --> 00:06:28,125 Speaker 3: getting vaccinated. They responded to some of the restrictions that 97 00:06:28,165 --> 00:06:31,605 Speaker 3: were there by accepting them and complying with them. 98 00:06:31,885 --> 00:06:35,125 Speaker 1: But it was a tough time. Oh. 99 00:06:35,405 --> 00:06:41,245 Speaker 3: People understood that they needed to, for example, get vaccinated 100 00:06:41,325 --> 00:06:45,365 Speaker 3: in order to protect their health. And Australians also have 101 00:06:45,565 --> 00:06:49,605 Speaker 3: this sense of looking after each other, and people understood 102 00:06:50,645 --> 00:06:54,045 Speaker 3: that if people said, oh, well, don't worry about the. 103 00:06:55,645 --> 00:06:56,805 Speaker 1: Restrictions, I'm going. 104 00:06:56,765 --> 00:07:00,565 Speaker 3: To go visit the age care home unvaccinated, not worry 105 00:07:00,605 --> 00:07:05,085 Speaker 3: about the implications, that's not the Australian way. Australians did 106 00:07:06,285 --> 00:07:10,285 Speaker 3: really look after each other during that period. I was 107 00:07:10,325 --> 00:07:15,485 Speaker 3: opposition leader and we had to respond in a way 108 00:07:15,525 --> 00:07:20,685 Speaker 3: that was constructive. We said to the then government, the 109 00:07:20,725 --> 00:07:26,245 Speaker 3: Morrison government, that even where we disagreed with specific policies, 110 00:07:26,725 --> 00:07:28,925 Speaker 3: we disagreed with people taking this super out. 111 00:07:29,565 --> 00:07:33,245 Speaker 1: We said that is a. 112 00:07:32,565 --> 00:07:36,685 Speaker 3: Mistake that will lead to less retirement and for people. 113 00:07:38,045 --> 00:07:42,685 Speaker 3: But we also said we were going to not allow 114 00:07:42,725 --> 00:07:45,205 Speaker 3: the perfect to be the enemy of the good, so 115 00:07:45,285 --> 00:07:49,765 Speaker 3: we moved our amendments. When the amendments weren't carried, we 116 00:07:50,005 --> 00:07:52,925 Speaker 3: allowed the legislation to pass. 117 00:07:53,365 --> 00:07:57,365 Speaker 1: Now that required us to put aside. 118 00:07:57,005 --> 00:08:03,445 Speaker 3: What historically in Australia is a partisan, competitive, adverse aial system. 119 00:08:04,525 --> 00:08:06,205 Speaker 3: So we voted for all of that, and that was 120 00:08:06,245 --> 00:08:09,205 Speaker 3: the right thing to do. It saved life. 121 00:08:10,645 --> 00:08:18,285 Speaker 4: That you say competitive and adversarial environment, I think a 122 00:08:18,325 --> 00:08:24,085 Speaker 4: lot of Australians don't necessarily believe that, and believe that 123 00:08:24,125 --> 00:08:27,765 Speaker 4: there's more of a UNI party than they would like 124 00:08:27,885 --> 00:08:28,445 Speaker 4: to believe. 125 00:08:30,205 --> 00:08:31,445 Speaker 1: I don't think that's right. 126 00:08:32,325 --> 00:08:36,525 Speaker 3: There is certainly areas of agreement and that's a good thing. 127 00:08:36,565 --> 00:08:39,685 Speaker 3: Australians also have conflict fatigue. I don't think they want 128 00:08:39,765 --> 00:08:42,765 Speaker 3: to see a politicians yelling at each other. I don't 129 00:08:42,805 --> 00:08:45,325 Speaker 3: think they want to see the polarization that we see 130 00:08:45,325 --> 00:08:49,485 Speaker 3: in the United States. They want people to be able 131 00:08:49,525 --> 00:08:55,845 Speaker 3: to have respectful disagreement and dialogue. That's something that I 132 00:08:55,965 --> 00:09:01,605 Speaker 3: try to do, but it is it is hard because 133 00:09:02,005 --> 00:09:05,805 Speaker 3: I think in canber for example, over cost of living 134 00:09:05,845 --> 00:09:11,725 Speaker 3: pressures the opposition of chosen to vote against all of 135 00:09:11,725 --> 00:09:13,005 Speaker 3: our costs of living support. 136 00:09:14,565 --> 00:09:22,645 Speaker 4: It's interesting because I think the personal is political, and 137 00:09:23,045 --> 00:09:27,365 Speaker 4: much of your politics is influenced by your past experience 138 00:09:27,365 --> 00:09:30,285 Speaker 4: and your growing up and even the way that you 139 00:09:30,405 --> 00:09:33,405 Speaker 4: navigate the world. Like what that means, I think is 140 00:09:33,965 --> 00:09:41,845 Speaker 4: that you can be seen as slightly populist, and that's 141 00:09:42,005 --> 00:09:47,565 Speaker 4: seen as maybe being weak. And yet when I look 142 00:09:47,605 --> 00:09:53,405 Speaker 4: at the list of policies that have come about under 143 00:09:53,445 --> 00:09:59,805 Speaker 4: your leadership, they're quite extensive. How do you feel about 144 00:09:59,885 --> 00:10:01,925 Speaker 4: your the public perception of you. 145 00:10:02,765 --> 00:10:11,285 Speaker 3: Well, Kindness isn't weakness. Kindness is a strength, is a 146 00:10:11,405 --> 00:10:15,925 Speaker 3: value that I have. It is how I was raised. 147 00:10:16,765 --> 00:10:21,285 Speaker 3: And one of the things that's happened from some sections 148 00:10:21,325 --> 00:10:26,045 Speaker 3: of the media is that they confuse words and actions. 149 00:10:27,045 --> 00:10:31,045 Speaker 3: You show you are strong through your actions, not by yelling, 150 00:10:32,365 --> 00:10:41,165 Speaker 3: not by using language which is about conflict. And if 151 00:10:41,205 --> 00:10:44,485 Speaker 3: you look at what we have done in taking on 152 00:10:44,965 --> 00:10:51,405 Speaker 3: powerful vested interests, in pursuing changes that are pretty gutsy, 153 00:10:52,565 --> 00:10:58,125 Speaker 3: no one in mainstream media came out when we said 154 00:10:58,405 --> 00:11:01,925 Speaker 3: I'm going to change the tax cuts that have been 155 00:11:02,045 --> 00:11:07,085 Speaker 3: legislated in order to take money off people at the 156 00:11:07,125 --> 00:11:10,885 Speaker 3: top end and redistributed, so four and a half thousand 157 00:11:10,965 --> 00:11:14,245 Speaker 3: dollars you will get instead of nine thousand dollars. Yes, 158 00:11:14,325 --> 00:11:17,085 Speaker 3: but we're going to give it so that low income 159 00:11:17,285 --> 00:11:21,365 Speaker 3: and middle income Australians who are hurting more than high 160 00:11:21,405 --> 00:11:26,085 Speaker 3: income Australians get a tax cut. Front pages of the 161 00:11:26,125 --> 00:11:33,285 Speaker 3: papers that we expected were strident, shall I say in 162 00:11:33,325 --> 00:11:37,725 Speaker 3: their language personally abusive. That was a gutsy call and 163 00:11:37,805 --> 00:11:41,285 Speaker 3: we're making that like it was a broken promise, and 164 00:11:42,205 --> 00:11:44,525 Speaker 3: we did change our position. I went to the National 165 00:11:44,605 --> 00:11:49,285 Speaker 3: Press Club and changed our position. I'm someone who has 166 00:11:49,365 --> 00:11:53,685 Speaker 3: spoken at the National Press Club ten times as Labor leader. 167 00:11:54,125 --> 00:11:57,965 Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's score is zero. It hasn't been near it. 168 00:12:01,165 --> 00:12:02,165 Speaker 2: Coming up after. 169 00:12:01,965 --> 00:12:05,005 Speaker 4: This break, the PM tells me what labor has done 170 00:12:05,165 --> 00:12:09,165 Speaker 4: over the past three years and what's next on climate change, 171 00:12:09,405 --> 00:12:12,285 Speaker 4: economy and the gender pay gap. 172 00:12:16,325 --> 00:12:19,885 Speaker 3: Well, what we are doing is taking serious action or 173 00:12:19,925 --> 00:12:26,045 Speaker 3: climate change. We have worked through forty three percent target 174 00:12:26,045 --> 00:12:30,525 Speaker 3: by twenty thirty, and not just an objective, but a 175 00:12:30,605 --> 00:12:34,325 Speaker 3: vehicle to get there through We've got the safeguard mechanism 176 00:12:34,445 --> 00:12:38,365 Speaker 3: that take the largest emitters. There's more than one hundred 177 00:12:38,685 --> 00:12:44,485 Speaker 3: institutions place, so Tommago smelter or minds and they have 178 00:12:44,685 --> 00:12:49,005 Speaker 3: to reduce their emissions over time or else there's a 179 00:12:49,045 --> 00:12:52,845 Speaker 3: penalty for them to do. So we've got a capacity 180 00:12:52,885 --> 00:12:57,925 Speaker 3: investment scheme that is working with industry on that transition 181 00:12:58,045 --> 00:13:03,525 Speaker 3: to get there. And so we haven't done what the 182 00:13:03,525 --> 00:13:06,685 Speaker 3: previous government did, which is set and forget that saw 183 00:13:07,045 --> 00:13:10,525 Speaker 3: four gigawatts of energy leave the system and only one 184 00:13:10,845 --> 00:13:16,445 Speaker 3: be created. We've approved enough renewable projects, for example, to 185 00:13:16,645 --> 00:13:21,845 Speaker 3: power eight million homes in Australia in just we haven't 186 00:13:21,845 --> 00:13:24,965 Speaker 3: been in government for three years yet, so we have 187 00:13:25,845 --> 00:13:28,845 Speaker 3: made sure that we're working on that. You can't do 188 00:13:28,925 --> 00:13:33,405 Speaker 3: it overnight because you will lose support for climate change 189 00:13:33,445 --> 00:13:36,205 Speaker 3: action if someone walks into a room and flicks the 190 00:13:36,285 --> 00:13:38,845 Speaker 3: light switch and the lights don't go on. So you 191 00:13:38,925 --> 00:13:43,165 Speaker 3: need that transition and that's what we have been doing 192 00:13:44,125 --> 00:13:48,485 Speaker 3: and been doing it i think effectively after that decade 193 00:13:48,525 --> 00:13:52,565 Speaker 3: of inaction, and we've worked with industry and the environment movement. 194 00:13:53,165 --> 00:13:55,765 Speaker 3: What I'm focused on is what I can do as 195 00:13:55,805 --> 00:13:59,645 Speaker 3: Prime Minister who was elected in twenty twenty two, and 196 00:13:59,805 --> 00:14:03,565 Speaker 3: what we can do is make sure that we look 197 00:14:03,605 --> 00:14:07,845 Speaker 3: after Australia's national interests, that we have an economy that's growing, 198 00:14:08,045 --> 00:14:13,525 Speaker 3: which we've got, We've got real wages growing five quarters 199 00:14:13,565 --> 00:14:17,685 Speaker 3: in a row. We took on big companies like BHP 200 00:14:17,885 --> 00:14:22,285 Speaker 3: objected to our same job, same pay legislation. 201 00:14:22,405 --> 00:14:25,565 Speaker 1: I've met young people in that. 202 00:14:25,685 --> 00:14:30,405 Speaker 3: Industry and others who are earning thirty four thousand dollars 203 00:14:30,965 --> 00:14:35,805 Speaker 3: a year extra in their pockets as a result of 204 00:14:35,885 --> 00:14:40,565 Speaker 3: the same job, same pay legislation. Workers at quantas, the 205 00:14:40,645 --> 00:14:46,085 Speaker 3: same thing has occurred. So we've been prepared to do 206 00:14:46,165 --> 00:14:49,765 Speaker 3: that in order to make sure that people are looked after. 207 00:14:49,965 --> 00:14:54,805 Speaker 3: So we now have the economy growing, wages growing, inflation falling, 208 00:14:55,365 --> 00:14:56,685 Speaker 3: interest rates starting to. 209 00:14:56,605 --> 00:14:58,045 Speaker 1: Fall as well. 210 00:14:59,325 --> 00:15:03,445 Speaker 3: We've navigated what have been really turbulent seas, but we've 211 00:15:03,485 --> 00:15:07,125 Speaker 3: had our eye on that horizon of what's the objective 212 00:15:07,245 --> 00:15:10,085 Speaker 3: of how do we build a faires society as well, 213 00:15:10,125 --> 00:15:12,645 Speaker 3: because a fairer society is a stronger one. 214 00:15:12,525 --> 00:15:18,045 Speaker 4: Correct, and particularly when it comes to women and girls, 215 00:15:19,085 --> 00:15:23,125 Speaker 4: and that seems to be an area if we can 216 00:15:23,165 --> 00:15:26,605 Speaker 4: be referred to as an area that's. 217 00:15:26,165 --> 00:15:27,925 Speaker 1: More than half the population. 218 00:15:27,525 --> 00:15:30,765 Speaker 2: Well that's right, but often not treated like that. And 219 00:15:30,845 --> 00:15:31,765 Speaker 2: so just some of the. 220 00:15:33,325 --> 00:15:36,525 Speaker 4: Policy at a policy level, you know, paid parental leave, 221 00:15:37,285 --> 00:15:41,045 Speaker 4: the superannuation to be added to paid parental leave, policy 222 00:15:41,125 --> 00:15:48,205 Speaker 4: changes in regards to contraception and support for menopause and indo, 223 00:15:48,845 --> 00:15:52,045 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you about to that end and 224 00:15:52,285 --> 00:15:57,205 Speaker 4: apropos of your mum, whose experience we know about with 225 00:15:57,245 --> 00:16:00,765 Speaker 4: the rheumatoid arthritis and often she was incapacitated and unable 226 00:16:00,805 --> 00:16:04,565 Speaker 4: to work. And there are a lot of predominantly women 227 00:16:04,565 --> 00:16:09,485 Speaker 4: in Australia who end up being cares. Yeah, you know 228 00:16:09,485 --> 00:16:13,285 Speaker 4: we were talking earlier. Was you were really paraphrasing Rihanna? 229 00:16:13,325 --> 00:16:16,205 Speaker 4: All of my kindness is taken for weakness, but that's 230 00:16:16,205 --> 00:16:21,005 Speaker 4: what happens to women who are cares. Is there any 231 00:16:21,325 --> 00:16:26,885 Speaker 4: plan to perhaps provide superannuation which I know will happen 232 00:16:26,885 --> 00:16:30,125 Speaker 4: as part of paid parental leave from July this year? Rant, 233 00:16:31,005 --> 00:16:35,245 Speaker 4: Is there any plan for that to happen for cares 234 00:16:35,965 --> 00:16:39,445 Speaker 4: so that these women we know that there's a big 235 00:16:39,445 --> 00:16:43,165 Speaker 4: issue with homelessness, particularly for older women, so that they 236 00:16:43,405 --> 00:16:48,445 Speaker 4: are not punished for having done God's work or some 237 00:16:48,565 --> 00:16:49,885 Speaker 4: might say government's work. 238 00:16:50,645 --> 00:16:54,645 Speaker 3: As second term agenda will be just as big as 239 00:16:54,645 --> 00:16:58,645 Speaker 3: our first. But in our first term, as you say, 240 00:16:59,645 --> 00:17:02,645 Speaker 3: we've had one of the first pieces of legislation was 241 00:17:02,685 --> 00:17:08,045 Speaker 3: ten days paid domestian family violence leave. We introduced permanently 242 00:17:08,125 --> 00:17:13,885 Speaker 3: now the leaving farllance payment. We've had more than the 243 00:17:14,005 --> 00:17:19,285 Speaker 3: funding for five hundred community workers and Amanda Rishworth, our Minister, 244 00:17:19,525 --> 00:17:22,605 Speaker 3: got the final sign off for every state and territory 245 00:17:22,845 --> 00:17:28,405 Speaker 3: for our Joint Agreement on dealing with Domestic Violence that 246 00:17:28,525 --> 00:17:32,565 Speaker 3: came out of the National Cabinet. Now that's a comprehensive plan. 247 00:17:32,645 --> 00:17:38,205 Speaker 3: It deals with increased funding for emergency accommodation. We have 248 00:17:39,125 --> 00:17:42,765 Speaker 3: had half a billion dollars of additional funding for community 249 00:17:42,885 --> 00:17:47,565 Speaker 3: legal services that often are used by women to provide 250 00:17:47,605 --> 00:17:52,245 Speaker 3: them support. In our first budget we had something that 251 00:17:52,405 --> 00:17:55,725 Speaker 3: was dear to me was a single parenting payment and 252 00:17:55,765 --> 00:17:59,365 Speaker 3: so the child used to be eight now it's fourteen, 253 00:18:00,045 --> 00:18:03,645 Speaker 3: and some has identified in her report that that was 254 00:18:03,805 --> 00:18:08,765 Speaker 3: a really important manner. We've had all fifty five recommendations 255 00:18:08,805 --> 00:18:13,245 Speaker 3: of the Risks at Work Report done by Kate Jenkins implemented, 256 00:18:13,645 --> 00:18:20,285 Speaker 3: and that included legislating that employers have a responsibility to 257 00:18:20,365 --> 00:18:25,405 Speaker 3: provide safe workplaces where that is possible, but an obligation 258 00:18:25,525 --> 00:18:29,165 Speaker 3: for them to give consideration to that, something that was 259 00:18:29,205 --> 00:18:36,605 Speaker 3: resisted by some of the employers were reduced the gender 260 00:18:36,645 --> 00:18:38,285 Speaker 3: pay gap to a record load. 261 00:18:38,365 --> 00:18:39,485 Speaker 1: That's not by accident. 262 00:18:39,845 --> 00:18:42,245 Speaker 3: We change the Fair Work Act so that gender pay 263 00:18:42,325 --> 00:18:47,325 Speaker 3: equity is a consideration of the Fair Work Commission. So 264 00:18:47,365 --> 00:18:52,525 Speaker 3: we've had three increases in a row, substantial lifting up 265 00:18:52,645 --> 00:18:53,885 Speaker 3: the minimum wage. 266 00:18:54,245 --> 00:18:55,205 Speaker 1: During the last. 267 00:18:54,925 --> 00:18:58,925 Speaker 3: Campaign, the then government, the Morrison government, said the world 268 00:18:58,965 --> 00:19:01,525 Speaker 3: would fall in and the economy would be ruined if 269 00:19:01,525 --> 00:19:04,725 Speaker 3: we got an extra dollar an hour. Who were working 270 00:19:04,765 --> 00:19:07,245 Speaker 3: their guts out the heroes of the pandemic, you know, 271 00:19:07,325 --> 00:19:09,245 Speaker 3: our cleaners and real tail workers. 272 00:19:09,725 --> 00:19:10,485 Speaker 1: So we did that. 273 00:19:10,805 --> 00:19:17,885 Speaker 3: Were provided considerable increases fifteen percent for child care workers, 274 00:19:17,965 --> 00:19:22,325 Speaker 3: early educators, more than that for age care workers. Those 275 00:19:22,365 --> 00:19:27,565 Speaker 3: systems were ready to collapse. And it is feminized industries 276 00:19:27,965 --> 00:19:32,325 Speaker 3: that had fallen behind. Because why do you think that 277 00:19:32,525 --> 00:19:36,125 Speaker 3: is because women who are working and it is largely 278 00:19:36,165 --> 00:19:40,125 Speaker 3: a feminized workforce in the age care sector, aren't going 279 00:19:40,165 --> 00:19:43,485 Speaker 3: to go Now I'm going to leave maybson bill on 280 00:19:43,525 --> 00:19:45,525 Speaker 3: their own and not going to work. 281 00:19:45,525 --> 00:19:47,085 Speaker 1: I'm going to take industrial action. 282 00:19:48,205 --> 00:19:52,885 Speaker 3: There's a different circumstance that they're in compared with a 283 00:19:52,965 --> 00:19:58,085 Speaker 3: construction worker or a warfee. And hence that over a 284 00:19:58,125 --> 00:20:03,765 Speaker 3: period of time had had an impact on the wage differentials, 285 00:20:04,285 --> 00:20:09,685 Speaker 3: which had a real gender basis to them, and so 286 00:20:09,725 --> 00:20:14,085 Speaker 3: the care sector had fallen behind. When we were lasting government, 287 00:20:14,965 --> 00:20:19,205 Speaker 3: we fixed an award for sex for social and community 288 00:20:19,485 --> 00:20:24,125 Speaker 3: service workers, again largely feminized, and that was one of 289 00:20:24,165 --> 00:20:28,085 Speaker 3: the last things that we legislated in the Gillard and 290 00:20:28,165 --> 00:20:33,565 Speaker 3: Rudd governments in twenty thirteen. But child care and age 291 00:20:33,605 --> 00:20:36,405 Speaker 3: care had fallen behind. 292 00:20:36,485 --> 00:20:37,925 Speaker 1: Age care was in crisis. 293 00:20:38,045 --> 00:20:40,925 Speaker 3: People were leaving the sector because you could earn more 294 00:20:41,005 --> 00:20:45,645 Speaker 3: stacking shelves than you could. Know, it's tough work lifting 295 00:20:47,205 --> 00:20:49,325 Speaker 3: elderly people, caring for them. 296 00:20:49,605 --> 00:20:50,445 Speaker 1: It's tough, not. 297 00:20:50,405 --> 00:20:56,765 Speaker 3: Just physically and emotionally. They become their best friends. So 298 00:20:57,005 --> 00:21:00,205 Speaker 3: all of those measures that we put in place, our 299 00:21:00,325 --> 00:21:04,405 Speaker 3: tax cuts, by the way, by taking the tax cuts 300 00:21:04,445 --> 00:21:08,965 Speaker 3: off the top end and redistributing them, that had an 301 00:21:09,005 --> 00:21:13,365 Speaker 3: annoy almost benefit for women and young people because they 302 00:21:13,725 --> 00:21:16,245 Speaker 3: got more in their pocket. 303 00:21:17,085 --> 00:21:18,165 Speaker 1: It's as simple as. 304 00:21:18,045 --> 00:21:22,685 Speaker 3: That, you know, speaking all of those measures speaking of really. 305 00:21:22,525 --> 00:21:24,485 Speaker 2: Important, they are important. 306 00:21:25,005 --> 00:21:29,245 Speaker 4: Okay, So all of those achievements, why aren't you a 307 00:21:29,365 --> 00:21:30,485 Speaker 4: hitting the polls? 308 00:21:31,245 --> 00:21:31,565 Speaker 1: Well? 309 00:21:31,845 --> 00:21:32,565 Speaker 2: Why is that? 310 00:21:32,965 --> 00:21:34,365 Speaker 1: Governments around the world. 311 00:21:34,645 --> 00:21:39,285 Speaker 3: It's a diffult time with cost of living pressures and 312 00:21:39,325 --> 00:21:44,245 Speaker 3: I think for some areas on tax cuts, we need 313 00:21:44,285 --> 00:21:47,565 Speaker 3: to remind people that was a conscious decision and people 314 00:21:47,605 --> 00:21:52,725 Speaker 3: who are on that first tax level weren't going to 315 00:21:52,725 --> 00:21:57,925 Speaker 3: get a scent and people on middle incomes we're going 316 00:21:57,925 --> 00:22:00,925 Speaker 3: to get far less. Will remind them of that, will 317 00:22:01,005 --> 00:22:03,645 Speaker 3: remind them of wages. 318 00:22:04,165 --> 00:22:06,085 Speaker 1: People are under pressure, so. 319 00:22:06,125 --> 00:22:09,165 Speaker 3: They are all of all of those measures we will 320 00:22:09,205 --> 00:22:13,125 Speaker 3: be talking about in coming weeks and months. And at 321 00:22:13,125 --> 00:22:21,845 Speaker 3: the moment people judge the government or perfection, this election 322 00:22:21,965 --> 00:22:28,285 Speaker 3: is about labor led by me, imperfection. Absolutely, governments are 323 00:22:28,365 --> 00:22:33,285 Speaker 3: perfect and a coalition led by Peter Dutton, a labor 324 00:22:33,325 --> 00:22:37,725 Speaker 3: government that is more than fifty percent women in our 325 00:22:37,805 --> 00:22:39,245 Speaker 3: caucus first time ever. 326 00:22:40,005 --> 00:22:41,565 Speaker 1: That's diverse as well. 327 00:22:41,645 --> 00:22:44,405 Speaker 3: That reflects if you look at one side of the 328 00:22:44,445 --> 00:22:49,445 Speaker 3: Parliament we look like Australia. The other side looks like 329 00:22:49,485 --> 00:22:53,685 Speaker 3: a bunch of blokes, a bunch of Anglo Celtic blokes largely. 330 00:22:54,405 --> 00:23:01,525 Speaker 3: And our cabinet chair, a cabinet that has eleven men 331 00:23:01,565 --> 00:23:07,765 Speaker 3: and eleven women senior strong women in senior positions, Pennywon, 332 00:23:07,965 --> 00:23:13,085 Speaker 3: Katie gallaher, all of those people are so strong and 333 00:23:13,205 --> 00:23:18,845 Speaker 3: that has an impact on policy, on what we do 334 00:23:18,965 --> 00:23:24,885 Speaker 3: because there's people who are connected up with those communities, 335 00:23:25,605 --> 00:23:30,845 Speaker 3: and it means that gender isn't an add on, isn't 336 00:23:31,045 --> 00:23:35,525 Speaker 3: like a nice to have a curiosity. It's just what 337 00:23:35,605 --> 00:23:40,045 Speaker 3: we do in every cabinet submissions. What is the gender 338 00:23:40,285 --> 00:23:45,045 Speaker 3: impact now, Peter it doun't's talking about sacking thirty six 339 00:23:45,205 --> 00:23:51,885 Speaker 3: thousand public servants, talking about reflecting what's going on in 340 00:23:51,965 --> 00:23:57,285 Speaker 3: the US as well with this attack on diversity and inclusion. 341 00:23:57,405 --> 00:23:58,565 Speaker 2: Well, this is interesting. 342 00:23:58,845 --> 00:24:06,045 Speaker 4: Do you think that appetite that's manifested in America will 343 00:24:06,085 --> 00:24:07,125 Speaker 4: be reflected here? 344 00:24:07,685 --> 00:24:13,885 Speaker 3: I think we're a very different societ and we need 345 00:24:14,285 --> 00:24:19,485 Speaker 3: our Australian values to be reflected. There was criticism of 346 00:24:19,565 --> 00:24:23,685 Speaker 3: the government of me when I appointed Sam Mouston as 347 00:24:24,085 --> 00:24:27,245 Speaker 3: the Governor General of Australia and the second woman to 348 00:24:27,285 --> 00:24:32,725 Speaker 3: be appointed. Sam Moston is an incredibly qualified, accomplished woman, 349 00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:38,605 Speaker 3: the first woman to be an AFL commissioner, someone who's 350 00:24:38,645 --> 00:24:45,005 Speaker 3: the daughter of a senior Australian Defense Force person her 351 00:24:45,085 --> 00:24:49,445 Speaker 3: dad and grew up in that Defense Force environment. 352 00:24:49,005 --> 00:24:52,085 Speaker 1: So I was aware of that aspect of the job. 353 00:24:52,605 --> 00:24:55,805 Speaker 3: Someone who's been on the Business Council of Australia executive, 354 00:24:55,925 --> 00:25:01,245 Speaker 3: been on multiple boards of Transurban and virgin and a 355 00:25:01,325 --> 00:25:12,165 Speaker 3: whole host of major ASXST did companies. She's someone who 356 00:25:12,205 --> 00:25:16,485 Speaker 3: is incredibly well qualified. But it was why are you 357 00:25:16,605 --> 00:25:24,365 Speaker 3: appointing someone again from the a former bloke from the military. 358 00:25:25,165 --> 00:25:26,965 Speaker 4: Or not a former bloke still a blow it's still 359 00:25:26,965 --> 00:25:31,405 Speaker 4: a bloke, but formerly from the military, imagine, And. 360 00:25:33,125 --> 00:25:35,765 Speaker 1: I'm really proud that we did that. 361 00:25:37,005 --> 00:25:42,565 Speaker 3: I'm proud that we have appointed women to senior positions 362 00:25:42,565 --> 00:25:44,405 Speaker 3: across the whole range of areas. 363 00:25:44,445 --> 00:25:46,445 Speaker 1: You know, the head of the Productivity. 364 00:25:45,805 --> 00:25:48,885 Speaker 3: Commission across a range of areas, women's in charge of finance, 365 00:25:49,445 --> 00:25:54,685 Speaker 3: and that is reflected in our government. You get it's 366 00:25:54,725 --> 00:25:59,285 Speaker 3: not tokenism. You get a stronger outcome when you're mobilizing 367 00:25:59,325 --> 00:26:01,845 Speaker 3: the talents of all of your people, not just half. 368 00:26:02,845 --> 00:26:05,365 Speaker 4: That's not all of my conversation with Prime Minister Anthony 369 00:26:05,405 --> 00:26:09,565 Speaker 4: Albanezi after this short break. We talk about his meat 370 00:26:09,645 --> 00:26:14,645 Speaker 4: with Jody, his partner, how the wedding plans are going, 371 00:26:15,005 --> 00:26:18,285 Speaker 4: which no other Australian Prime minister has ever planned a 372 00:26:18,325 --> 00:26:19,085 Speaker 4: wedding while in. 373 00:26:19,045 --> 00:26:22,645 Speaker 2: Office, and also his dog Toto. 374 00:26:28,365 --> 00:26:32,445 Speaker 4: Against this backdrop of the work that you have to 375 00:26:32,485 --> 00:26:37,565 Speaker 4: do and that you chose choosing to do. Your personal 376 00:26:37,605 --> 00:26:44,485 Speaker 4: life was also evolving at that point. I'm interested in 377 00:26:44,525 --> 00:26:48,565 Speaker 4: how those two things run concurrently. And you've spoken before, 378 00:26:48,605 --> 00:26:52,165 Speaker 4: and you've spoken quite publicly, and it's an experience that 379 00:26:52,205 --> 00:26:54,965 Speaker 4: a lot of Australians share with the end of a relationship, 380 00:26:55,005 --> 00:27:00,045 Speaker 4: a significant relationship, Your wife, Carmel, and how you had 381 00:27:00,085 --> 00:27:01,005 Speaker 4: to pick yourself. 382 00:27:00,725 --> 00:27:03,205 Speaker 2: Up from that? Was New Year's Day? 383 00:27:03,325 --> 00:27:06,845 Speaker 4: You said, did you say New Year's Day? 384 00:27:08,365 --> 00:27:12,765 Speaker 3: Well, that was a decision that she made and I 385 00:27:12,925 --> 00:27:16,525 Speaker 3: had to come to terms with that and just accept it. 386 00:27:16,645 --> 00:27:20,805 Speaker 3: She made a decision that she wanted her life to 387 00:27:20,845 --> 00:27:22,725 Speaker 3: go in a different direction. 388 00:27:24,165 --> 00:27:25,445 Speaker 1: I accepted that. 389 00:27:26,285 --> 00:27:31,365 Speaker 3: I went away to the UK and to Portugal for 390 00:27:31,605 --> 00:27:35,165 Speaker 3: a couple weeks before the twenty nineteen election, and it 391 00:27:35,205 --> 00:27:38,805 Speaker 3: was quite good to just spend some time with myself. 392 00:27:39,725 --> 00:27:43,045 Speaker 2: And how was yourself came back at that time? 393 00:27:43,125 --> 00:27:43,605 Speaker 4: Were you? 394 00:27:44,165 --> 00:27:47,365 Speaker 3: Oh, Look, it was a difficult period because it wasn't 395 00:27:47,525 --> 00:27:53,765 Speaker 3: expected and always difficult, of course, and we had spent 396 00:27:53,885 --> 00:27:58,845 Speaker 3: thirty years together. But I came back, threw myself into 397 00:27:58,885 --> 00:28:03,845 Speaker 3: the twenty nineteen campaign. We were expected to win and 398 00:28:04,125 --> 00:28:10,725 Speaker 3: of course weren't successful, and then I was elected unopposed 399 00:28:10,765 --> 00:28:15,925 Speaker 3: as Labor leader. So threw myself very much into that 400 00:28:16,365 --> 00:28:19,925 Speaker 3: as well. It was a diffult time for the Labor 401 00:28:19,965 --> 00:28:24,805 Speaker 3: Party because there was this expectation that Bill Shorten would 402 00:28:24,805 --> 00:28:29,205 Speaker 3: win that election. You just pick yourself up and dust 403 00:28:29,245 --> 00:28:34,165 Speaker 3: yourself off, and you move on. And so I threw 404 00:28:34,245 --> 00:28:41,005 Speaker 3: myself into being Labor leader, into resurrecting the Labor brand 405 00:28:41,765 --> 00:28:46,005 Speaker 3: and to making us competitive at the twenty twenty two election. 406 00:28:46,525 --> 00:28:48,365 Speaker 4: And I remember, actually I think we had you on 407 00:28:48,405 --> 00:28:51,325 Speaker 4: the project, yes, and it was the first time I'd 408 00:28:51,365 --> 00:28:55,885 Speaker 4: seen you in quite some time, and make you look sharp, 409 00:28:56,165 --> 00:28:58,965 Speaker 4: and you look like you were ready. It was kind 410 00:28:58,965 --> 00:29:01,205 Speaker 4: of like Rocky, you know what I mean. It looked 411 00:29:01,245 --> 00:29:05,085 Speaker 4: like you'd been training for this. Because there is the 412 00:29:05,085 --> 00:29:08,365 Speaker 4: the physical must have such a toll taken on it. 413 00:29:08,445 --> 00:29:11,005 Speaker 4: Obviously there's the mental, the emotional of what you're doing. 414 00:29:11,405 --> 00:29:13,085 Speaker 4: But just the hours that you're doing. 415 00:29:13,365 --> 00:29:14,005 Speaker 1: Oh, it does. 416 00:29:14,205 --> 00:29:19,125 Speaker 3: But I'm someone who's never been frightened of hard work. 417 00:29:20,365 --> 00:29:23,125 Speaker 3: I do laugh at the moment where people will write 418 00:29:23,125 --> 00:29:29,045 Speaker 3: outcles saying mister Albanezi has been to five states in 419 00:29:29,125 --> 00:29:31,445 Speaker 3: three days or something. I've been doing that for years. 420 00:29:32,365 --> 00:29:36,045 Speaker 3: I have a strong work ethic. I get adrenaline, I 421 00:29:36,205 --> 00:29:39,925 Speaker 3: enjoy engaging with people. Someone who doesn't just go into 422 00:29:40,525 --> 00:29:41,725 Speaker 3: protected environments. 423 00:29:41,765 --> 00:29:43,405 Speaker 1: I walk through shopping centers. 424 00:29:43,925 --> 00:29:49,365 Speaker 3: I engage in environments where you don't know what's going 425 00:29:49,405 --> 00:29:52,885 Speaker 3: to happen, things can go wrong. I like nothing better 426 00:29:53,445 --> 00:29:56,525 Speaker 3: than attending an event like the Lunar New Year Festival 427 00:29:56,525 --> 00:30:01,445 Speaker 3: in box Hill or different events you engage with people. 428 00:30:01,565 --> 00:30:03,605 Speaker 4: Are there times when because I know that's a thing 429 00:30:03,805 --> 00:30:07,245 Speaker 4: also particularly probably in every political party, but with Labor, 430 00:30:08,405 --> 00:30:12,565 Speaker 4: sometimes he's a the perception that there's not real world 431 00:30:12,645 --> 00:30:17,445 Speaker 4: experience and that you've you know, so have you when 432 00:30:17,565 --> 00:30:20,485 Speaker 4: was the last time that you were exposed to people 433 00:30:21,245 --> 00:30:24,085 Speaker 4: and you went, oh, that's a good idea, or I 434 00:30:24,125 --> 00:30:26,285 Speaker 4: haven't thought of that, or that's changed my mind. 435 00:30:26,525 --> 00:30:31,045 Speaker 3: All the time, I get out and about and engage 436 00:30:31,085 --> 00:30:36,885 Speaker 3: with poople all the time, whether it's walking around. Yeah, 437 00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:40,085 Speaker 3: it was indeed. So there I was at a dinner 438 00:30:40,125 --> 00:30:45,325 Speaker 3: in Melbourne and someone sledged me when introducing me about 439 00:30:45,365 --> 00:30:48,445 Speaker 3: being a South Sydney supporter. And there's this whole thing 440 00:30:48,485 --> 00:30:52,125 Speaker 3: about a random souseperson who's everywhere anywhere in the world 441 00:30:52,125 --> 00:30:54,845 Speaker 3: you go, there'll be someone wearing a Bunnies jumper, even 442 00:30:54,885 --> 00:30:58,805 Speaker 3: at the Wimbledon tennis or at the goal for Russell 443 00:30:58,845 --> 00:31:05,085 Speaker 3: Crowe exactly, and so I said, oh, there's always a 444 00:31:05,245 --> 00:31:08,605 Speaker 3: random south person here, and Jad yelled out up the 445 00:31:08,685 --> 00:31:12,685 Speaker 3: rabbit os and so I went around and talked, went 446 00:31:12,685 --> 00:31:16,325 Speaker 3: around the tables, meeting people as I do, getting that engagement, 447 00:31:17,085 --> 00:31:21,245 Speaker 3: and there I met Jody. And then there was another 448 00:31:21,325 --> 00:31:24,405 Speaker 3: event a couple of weeks later, and Jody was there 449 00:31:24,645 --> 00:31:26,285 Speaker 3: again by coincidence. 450 00:31:26,485 --> 00:31:29,165 Speaker 1: Yeah, what was she? She was there for work? 451 00:31:30,205 --> 00:31:36,085 Speaker 3: Yeah, at the time, she was working for a superannuation outfit, 452 00:31:36,925 --> 00:31:40,405 Speaker 3: and so she was there for work and I was 453 00:31:40,405 --> 00:31:44,925 Speaker 3: there for work. And we said hello again. And I 454 00:31:45,045 --> 00:31:50,045 Speaker 3: realized then that she was living in Sydney. She lived 455 00:31:50,045 --> 00:31:54,685 Speaker 3: in my electorate at Stanmore and I was living at 456 00:31:54,685 --> 00:32:01,405 Speaker 3: Marrathon and so she sent me a message and we. 457 00:32:02,045 --> 00:32:03,685 Speaker 2: You've got to meet. Cute story. 458 00:32:03,765 --> 00:32:07,165 Speaker 3: We caught up for a drink at Young Henry's Brewery 459 00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:10,925 Speaker 3: there in Newtown on a Friday afternoon after work. 460 00:32:11,005 --> 00:32:12,245 Speaker 2: Did you have security with you? 461 00:32:13,045 --> 00:32:13,685 Speaker 1: Do you have to? 462 00:32:14,205 --> 00:32:17,325 Speaker 3: No? No, it's opposition leader. 463 00:32:18,045 --> 00:32:20,125 Speaker 1: I chose, so you were just yourself. I chose not to. 464 00:32:20,365 --> 00:32:21,365 Speaker 1: And were you nervous? 465 00:32:21,525 --> 00:32:23,725 Speaker 3: I was there not really because I just thought it 466 00:32:23,765 --> 00:32:29,805 Speaker 3: was a catch up. Enjoy Company with people, and I 467 00:32:29,885 --> 00:32:34,325 Speaker 3: just thought it would just be a beer and I 468 00:32:34,365 --> 00:32:39,045 Speaker 3: actually was talking to the young Henry's guys are quite 469 00:32:39,085 --> 00:32:43,245 Speaker 3: big with beards, and Jodi thought, oh, you know what's 470 00:32:43,285 --> 00:32:46,645 Speaker 3: going on because you walked in and I was already there. 471 00:32:47,525 --> 00:32:50,245 Speaker 3: And so we caught up for a drink and ended 472 00:32:50,325 --> 00:32:55,285 Speaker 3: up having a drink became dinner that night, good date 473 00:32:55,485 --> 00:32:57,765 Speaker 3: and then yeah, and then we caught up again. But 474 00:32:57,805 --> 00:33:01,005 Speaker 3: it wasn't it didn't start off as a date. That 475 00:33:01,205 --> 00:33:04,765 Speaker 3: started off as just catching up for a beer afterward. 476 00:33:04,925 --> 00:33:07,365 Speaker 4: It didn't start as a date. But that's a date. 477 00:33:07,405 --> 00:33:08,485 Speaker 4: But that's the way to go. 478 00:33:08,445 --> 00:33:12,725 Speaker 3: Into it, absolutely, and we talked and engaged and it 479 00:33:12,885 --> 00:33:15,085 Speaker 3: was it was very pleasant. So then we caught up 480 00:33:15,245 --> 00:33:16,125 Speaker 3: a few weeks later. 481 00:33:16,405 --> 00:33:18,885 Speaker 4: And then at what point did you because that's a 482 00:33:18,925 --> 00:33:20,365 Speaker 4: big thing for her to take on. 483 00:33:20,845 --> 00:33:25,525 Speaker 2: And then you became prime minister. Yeah, which no, girlfriend's 484 00:33:25,565 --> 00:33:25,965 Speaker 2: hating that. 485 00:33:27,365 --> 00:33:29,805 Speaker 4: I don't know, No, I don't think so we might 486 00:33:29,845 --> 00:33:32,765 Speaker 4: go like, oh my god, it's not what I expected, 487 00:33:32,765 --> 00:33:35,845 Speaker 4: but secretly we're like, oh my god, it's the prime minister. 488 00:33:36,685 --> 00:33:41,045 Speaker 2: And she sort of grew into that role of being your. 489 00:33:41,445 --> 00:33:43,325 Speaker 1: Like your form me and my partner. 490 00:33:43,445 --> 00:33:44,885 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, your partner. 491 00:33:45,365 --> 00:33:50,285 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we and the relationship because of COVID as well, 492 00:33:50,405 --> 00:33:53,205 Speaker 3: speaking of COVID restrictions for a while there there were 493 00:33:53,245 --> 00:33:55,485 Speaker 3: months where we didn't see each other, right because I 494 00:33:55,565 --> 00:33:58,005 Speaker 3: was in canber and couldn't go to s as well, 495 00:33:58,125 --> 00:34:00,965 Speaker 3: So that slowed things up a bit as well. 496 00:34:01,525 --> 00:34:03,725 Speaker 4: And then when Nathan, when was the first time Nathan, 497 00:34:03,805 --> 00:34:06,605 Speaker 4: your son met her met her? 498 00:34:07,525 --> 00:34:13,205 Speaker 3: I guess probably a couple of introduced. 499 00:34:12,285 --> 00:34:13,965 Speaker 2: Because that's so significant. 500 00:34:14,445 --> 00:34:17,605 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they get on. They get on very well. 501 00:34:17,805 --> 00:34:24,125 Speaker 3: Nathan's grown into a fine young man. And Nathan and 502 00:34:24,125 --> 00:34:25,725 Speaker 3: his mum and I get on. 503 00:34:27,645 --> 00:34:28,005 Speaker 1: Well. 504 00:34:28,845 --> 00:34:31,685 Speaker 4: And she was very supportive of you in your election 505 00:34:31,845 --> 00:34:33,565 Speaker 4: campaign Jody. 506 00:34:33,685 --> 00:34:39,085 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, she was out there, not front and Senna, 507 00:34:39,285 --> 00:34:41,845 Speaker 3: you know, she works full time, she has her own 508 00:34:41,925 --> 00:34:48,925 Speaker 3: professional career. She's an accomplished professional woman who has a 509 00:34:49,045 --> 00:34:52,445 Speaker 3: very much her own identity, in her own values and views. 510 00:34:53,365 --> 00:34:57,085 Speaker 3: And so she though at the campaign launch and at 511 00:34:57,125 --> 00:35:02,845 Speaker 3: those events, she was there. And then of course post 512 00:35:03,085 --> 00:35:07,405 Speaker 3: that her life is I think not what she would 513 00:35:07,405 --> 00:35:09,165 Speaker 3: have anticipated five years ago. 514 00:35:09,445 --> 00:35:12,805 Speaker 2: No, I'm sure. And now you're getting married. 515 00:35:12,685 --> 00:35:19,565 Speaker 3: We are, and I came to the realization, you know 516 00:35:19,725 --> 00:35:22,685 Speaker 3: that this is someone that I wanted to spend the 517 00:35:22,725 --> 00:35:26,605 Speaker 3: rest of my life with and so we never discussed 518 00:35:26,645 --> 00:35:31,925 Speaker 3: marriage before I proposed in did she know that. 519 00:35:31,165 --> 00:35:33,925 Speaker 1: She at all? 520 00:35:34,045 --> 00:35:36,805 Speaker 4: Not at all, even though it's a Valentine's Day proposal. 521 00:35:37,605 --> 00:35:41,405 Speaker 1: Didn't didn't see it coming, she says. 522 00:35:41,525 --> 00:35:45,325 Speaker 3: So she says, well, no, but I think that, yeah, 523 00:35:45,445 --> 00:35:49,725 Speaker 3: we were obviously very committed to each other, and we 524 00:35:49,805 --> 00:35:52,725 Speaker 3: made that commitment earlier on and you don't, of course 525 00:35:52,845 --> 00:35:56,925 Speaker 3: need a legal bit of paper to make that commitment. 526 00:35:57,885 --> 00:35:59,645 Speaker 1: But I think. 527 00:35:59,565 --> 00:36:01,805 Speaker 2: There is something about marriage. 528 00:36:01,485 --> 00:36:03,845 Speaker 1: That there is you want to make. 529 00:36:05,245 --> 00:36:10,605 Speaker 3: That public decoration in front of your close family and friends, 530 00:36:10,765 --> 00:36:11,685 Speaker 3: and who. 531 00:36:11,485 --> 00:36:12,405 Speaker 1: Are you to do? 532 00:36:12,685 --> 00:36:14,965 Speaker 2: Who are your like? Who's your best friend? 533 00:36:15,405 --> 00:36:16,765 Speaker 1: Aside from Jody? 534 00:36:16,965 --> 00:36:20,485 Speaker 2: Now, aside from who's been displaced. 535 00:36:19,925 --> 00:36:23,525 Speaker 1: By Jody, Well, no one's been displaced. 536 00:36:23,605 --> 00:36:28,485 Speaker 3: I have a range of relationships with men and women. 537 00:36:28,645 --> 00:36:35,525 Speaker 3: Some of my colleagues I'm really close to Penny and 538 00:36:35,605 --> 00:36:40,765 Speaker 3: Katie Richard and Mark Butler, a whole range of people. 539 00:36:40,845 --> 00:36:46,045 Speaker 3: But I have friends that I have had since I 540 00:36:46,085 --> 00:36:50,965 Speaker 3: was a little kid. On the day in which I 541 00:36:51,205 --> 00:36:56,085 Speaker 3: became Prime Minister formally in terms of the parliamentary sense, 542 00:36:56,125 --> 00:36:59,765 Speaker 3: the first day of Parliament, they have an event at 543 00:36:59,965 --> 00:37:05,325 Speaker 3: the War Memorial the day before on the Monday sunset service, 544 00:37:06,245 --> 00:37:11,605 Speaker 3: and there there were I got a message from someone 545 00:37:11,645 --> 00:37:15,085 Speaker 3: I grew up with with a photo and she was 546 00:37:15,125 --> 00:37:19,845 Speaker 3: clear there Sharie, a friend of mine, and she sent 547 00:37:19,925 --> 00:37:23,045 Speaker 3: this message. I was like you in Canberra and a 548 00:37:23,085 --> 00:37:26,885 Speaker 3: bunch of my friends, the old housos who I grew 549 00:37:26,925 --> 00:37:32,245 Speaker 3: up with in Campadown had come down to Canberra from 550 00:37:32,285 --> 00:37:38,685 Speaker 3: all over Australia. Now Clayton's a warfie in Fremantle, Wendy from. 551 00:37:38,965 --> 00:37:41,565 Speaker 1: Melbourne people had come. 552 00:37:42,205 --> 00:37:46,165 Speaker 3: There were eight of them had come because their mate 553 00:37:46,645 --> 00:37:50,845 Speaker 3: who they grew up with in public housing in Campadown 554 00:37:50,965 --> 00:37:52,245 Speaker 3: was becoming the Prime Minister. 555 00:37:53,005 --> 00:37:54,165 Speaker 1: And so. 556 00:37:55,565 --> 00:37:58,885 Speaker 3: They hadn't told me about this. I just connected, you know, 557 00:37:58,965 --> 00:38:02,925 Speaker 3: we keep in touch with each other. And so they 558 00:38:02,965 --> 00:38:08,365 Speaker 3: came to dinner at the lodge that night and it 559 00:38:08,525 --> 00:38:11,325 Speaker 3: was absolutely it was one of the best things that 560 00:38:11,365 --> 00:38:14,405 Speaker 3: has ever happened to me in my life, was that 561 00:38:14,565 --> 00:38:20,125 Speaker 3: feeling of connection with where I'd come from. We've got 562 00:38:20,125 --> 00:38:25,085 Speaker 3: pretty good odds on the son of a single mum 563 00:38:25,405 --> 00:38:29,245 Speaker 3: out born out of wedlock there in Campdown, who grew 564 00:38:29,325 --> 00:38:32,685 Speaker 3: up in this little public housing community. It was city 565 00:38:32,725 --> 00:38:36,445 Speaker 3: Council when I was younger and then got transferred over 566 00:38:37,165 --> 00:38:40,565 Speaker 3: to the State Department of Housing and. 567 00:38:40,525 --> 00:38:43,325 Speaker 1: They'd all come and it was wonderful. I kept connected 568 00:38:43,365 --> 00:38:44,165 Speaker 1: with those people. 569 00:38:44,805 --> 00:38:48,805 Speaker 4: Do you think that that will be possible for like 570 00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:50,325 Speaker 4: Nathan's generation? 571 00:38:51,085 --> 00:38:52,965 Speaker 1: I hope. Yeah. 572 00:38:53,005 --> 00:38:58,405 Speaker 3: He's friends with kids that he went to Dully Public 573 00:38:58,445 --> 00:39:03,765 Speaker 3: School at Dulwich Hill and they went right through what 574 00:39:03,805 --> 00:39:07,285 Speaker 3: I still call Leichhart Hived is now called Sydney Secondary College, 575 00:39:07,325 --> 00:39:10,685 Speaker 3: and then Blackwattell, which is the same school, went through 576 00:39:10,685 --> 00:39:16,045 Speaker 3: with a bunch of close friends and they're still they're 577 00:39:16,045 --> 00:39:20,045 Speaker 3: still his closest group of confidence and they look after 578 00:39:20,085 --> 00:39:20,445 Speaker 3: each other. 579 00:39:20,485 --> 00:39:23,125 Speaker 4: I probably mean beyond that as well. Do you think 580 00:39:23,165 --> 00:39:26,485 Speaker 4: that trajectory is possible for an Australian now to come 581 00:39:26,525 --> 00:39:28,045 Speaker 4: from public housing? 582 00:39:28,845 --> 00:39:29,645 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? 583 00:39:29,765 --> 00:39:32,765 Speaker 1: Yeah, I certainly hope. So. 584 00:39:33,285 --> 00:39:37,285 Speaker 3: I want Australia to be the land of opportunity, where 585 00:39:37,925 --> 00:39:42,645 Speaker 3: your trajectory in life should not be dictated by your 586 00:39:42,685 --> 00:39:46,325 Speaker 3: postcode of where you were born or the circumstances into 587 00:39:46,365 --> 00:39:47,445 Speaker 3: which you were born. 588 00:39:47,925 --> 00:39:49,325 Speaker 1: And I do think that's possible. 589 00:39:49,365 --> 00:39:55,565 Speaker 3: I look at the colleagues who've gone into Parliament, who 590 00:39:56,805 --> 00:40:02,285 Speaker 3: are incredibly diverse, and sometimes we romanticize. 591 00:40:01,525 --> 00:40:02,165 Speaker 1: The past of it. 592 00:40:02,485 --> 00:40:02,845 Speaker 2: Yes. 593 00:40:03,005 --> 00:40:05,045 Speaker 1: The truth is that. 594 00:40:07,045 --> 00:40:11,365 Speaker 3: For eighty three years in South Wales, the largest state, 595 00:40:12,125 --> 00:40:16,245 Speaker 3: every single member of the House of Representatives had something 596 00:40:16,285 --> 00:40:22,645 Speaker 3: in common. Eighty three years, every election without exception, Labor, Liberal, Independent, 597 00:40:23,245 --> 00:40:27,845 Speaker 3: They were all men, every single one day. 598 00:40:28,125 --> 00:40:31,245 Speaker 1: Jeanettekee was people to romantic. 599 00:40:31,885 --> 00:40:34,525 Speaker 2: Some people romanticized the presence we had. 600 00:40:36,845 --> 00:40:39,885 Speaker 3: We had very little indigenous representative. We have a First 601 00:40:39,965 --> 00:40:44,325 Speaker 3: Nation's Caucus that has half a dozen people in it. 602 00:40:44,445 --> 00:40:51,045 Speaker 1: Now we have the first two Muslims being. 603 00:40:52,565 --> 00:40:56,965 Speaker 3: Ministers in a national government, ed Husick and Nla from 604 00:40:57,045 --> 00:41:03,685 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. We have an incredibly diverse parliament. That's 605 00:41:03,685 --> 00:41:08,125 Speaker 3: a good thing. It's a good thing that Penny Wong 606 00:41:08,805 --> 00:41:12,045 Speaker 3: is the Senate leader and someone called alban As is 607 00:41:12,085 --> 00:41:13,885 Speaker 3: the House of Reps leader. 608 00:41:13,965 --> 00:41:16,645 Speaker 2: I've met him, he's all right. 609 00:41:17,685 --> 00:41:22,045 Speaker 3: Well, they were all Anglo Celtic before then. If you 610 00:41:22,125 --> 00:41:26,285 Speaker 3: go back and look at the surnames. 611 00:41:25,725 --> 00:41:29,205 Speaker 4: Also, your name became part of just such an effective 612 00:41:29,205 --> 00:41:34,205 Speaker 4: opposition slogan is life going to get easy under alban Easy? 613 00:41:34,965 --> 00:41:38,365 Speaker 3: What it will do is show the benefit of the 614 00:41:38,405 --> 00:41:41,605 Speaker 3: hard work that we've done in this term. We've turned 615 00:41:41,605 --> 00:41:46,285 Speaker 3: the corner we had inflation with a six in front 616 00:41:46,765 --> 00:41:50,605 Speaker 3: when we were elected. It now has a two in front. 617 00:41:50,685 --> 00:41:54,085 Speaker 3: At two point four. We had real wages had decreased 618 00:41:54,205 --> 00:41:57,845 Speaker 3: five quarters in a row, five quarters. 619 00:41:57,485 --> 00:41:58,005 Speaker 1: In a row. 620 00:41:58,445 --> 00:42:02,685 Speaker 3: That has we have made that. Interest rates started to 621 00:42:02,725 --> 00:42:05,725 Speaker 3: go up before the election. Now they've started to go 622 00:42:05,925 --> 00:42:11,165 Speaker 3: down before this election. So we have made incredible progress. 623 00:42:11,245 --> 00:42:15,005 Speaker 3: The progress that we've made on climate change, the progress 624 00:42:15,045 --> 00:42:22,125 Speaker 3: that we've made on gender equity is substantial. In as 625 00:42:22,165 --> 00:42:25,925 Speaker 3: I said under three years before the last election, I said, 626 00:42:25,965 --> 00:42:29,525 Speaker 3: you couldn't change the country to what my vision was 627 00:42:29,965 --> 00:42:35,965 Speaker 3: for it, a fairer, stronger country in just three years. 628 00:42:36,005 --> 00:42:40,285 Speaker 3: You needed multiple terms to entrench it. We are not 629 00:42:40,565 --> 00:42:44,285 Speaker 3: just saying what we have done. We're saying we'll reduce 630 00:42:44,365 --> 00:42:48,285 Speaker 3: student debt by a further twenty percent on top of 631 00:42:48,325 --> 00:42:52,125 Speaker 3: the three billion dollars worth cut off student debt, will 632 00:42:52,205 --> 00:42:57,045 Speaker 3: have free tafe there permanently, will have cheaper child care. 633 00:42:57,085 --> 00:43:01,325 Speaker 3: The next stage in the shift to childcare reform, getting 634 00:43:01,445 --> 00:43:06,765 Speaker 3: rid of the activity tests that really penalizes particularly women 635 00:43:07,005 --> 00:43:08,845 Speaker 3: in disadvantage positions. 636 00:43:09,565 --> 00:43:11,405 Speaker 1: We'll do that. We'll have a billion. 637 00:43:11,085 --> 00:43:16,125 Speaker 3: Dollars for child care infrastructure. The announcement that we made 638 00:43:16,765 --> 00:43:22,685 Speaker 3: about Medicare and giving tripling the bulk billion center for everyone, 639 00:43:22,765 --> 00:43:27,645 Speaker 3: not just for concession cardholders, will particularly advantage women and 640 00:43:27,805 --> 00:43:32,605 Speaker 3: people who will make a judgment for themselves or their families. 641 00:43:32,885 --> 00:43:34,445 Speaker 1: Can I afford to see a doctor? 642 00:43:34,805 --> 00:43:38,645 Speaker 3: If we move back to what Medicare should be, which 643 00:43:38,685 --> 00:43:43,605 Speaker 3: is free care to visit the GP In this case, 644 00:43:43,645 --> 00:43:47,085 Speaker 3: our objective is ninety percent of the time, that will 645 00:43:47,125 --> 00:43:48,965 Speaker 3: make an enormous difference. 646 00:43:49,005 --> 00:43:51,165 Speaker 1: At the same time, does your GP bult bill? 647 00:43:51,285 --> 00:43:52,605 Speaker 2: Do you get to see a normal doctor? 648 00:43:52,725 --> 00:43:54,205 Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you see a normal doctor? 649 00:43:54,245 --> 00:43:55,525 Speaker 2: Is there a prime Minister doctor? 650 00:43:55,645 --> 00:43:55,685 Speaker 3: No? 651 00:43:55,965 --> 00:43:58,125 Speaker 1: Get I get to see my doctor? 652 00:43:58,445 --> 00:43:58,685 Speaker 2: Yeah? 653 00:43:59,805 --> 00:44:00,685 Speaker 1: And grateful they do. 654 00:44:01,245 --> 00:44:01,485 Speaker 3: Yeah. 655 00:44:01,645 --> 00:44:03,885 Speaker 2: Very for a while there it was impossible to find 656 00:44:03,885 --> 00:44:04,405 Speaker 2: a doctor that. 657 00:44:04,405 --> 00:44:05,005 Speaker 1: Was not built. 658 00:44:05,085 --> 00:44:08,685 Speaker 3: That's right, and that's because pleaded Dutton and froze the 659 00:44:08,725 --> 00:44:14,245 Speaker 3: Medicare for six years. They had a conscious decision. Peter 660 00:44:14,365 --> 00:44:19,165 Speaker 3: Dutton's position was that you shouldn't see doctors for free. 661 00:44:19,205 --> 00:44:19,965 Speaker 1: He tried to. 662 00:44:20,045 --> 00:44:23,245 Speaker 3: Abolish bulk building by having a GP tax every time 663 00:44:23,285 --> 00:44:28,205 Speaker 3: people visited a GP, and indeed at tax every time 664 00:44:28,245 --> 00:44:31,325 Speaker 3: people visited an emergency department as well, and at tax 665 00:44:31,405 --> 00:44:36,405 Speaker 3: on pharmaceuticals. Fifty billion dollars out of the health system, 666 00:44:36,485 --> 00:44:39,165 Speaker 3: out of the hospital system. They did that in their 667 00:44:39,205 --> 00:44:44,005 Speaker 3: twenty fourteen budget and just two days ago Anne Rusten, 668 00:44:45,165 --> 00:44:49,245 Speaker 3: the Health Shadow Minister, said again, well we never said 669 00:44:49,285 --> 00:44:51,485 Speaker 3: that people should see a doctor for free. 670 00:44:52,365 --> 00:44:53,685 Speaker 1: Well, you know, the. 671 00:44:53,605 --> 00:44:57,725 Speaker 3: Basis of medicare is very different from the American system. 672 00:44:58,245 --> 00:45:01,445 Speaker 3: I don't want to see the americanization of the health system. 673 00:45:01,485 --> 00:45:06,965 Speaker 3: I want the Australian system, which is the best philosophy 674 00:45:07,005 --> 00:45:10,045 Speaker 3: in the world, which is that if you need healthcare, 675 00:45:10,525 --> 00:45:16,445 Speaker 3: so that my mum as an invalid pensioner when she 676 00:45:16,525 --> 00:45:19,765 Speaker 3: ended up passing away in Royal Prince Alford Hospital, but 677 00:45:20,885 --> 00:45:25,925 Speaker 3: more than one visit to emergency there when often long confinement, 678 00:45:26,005 --> 00:45:31,085 Speaker 3: often a long time in hospital. Kerry Packer as one 679 00:45:31,125 --> 00:45:33,845 Speaker 3: of Australia's richest people. When he had a heart attack, 680 00:45:33,965 --> 00:45:36,605 Speaker 3: he ended up at Royal Prince Alford Hospital. 681 00:45:37,005 --> 00:45:38,885 Speaker 1: And I as a labor leader. 682 00:45:38,885 --> 00:45:42,885 Speaker 3: When I had a car accident and almost died, I 683 00:45:42,965 --> 00:45:46,605 Speaker 3: was very lucky. In January twenty twenty one, I ended 684 00:45:46,685 --> 00:45:51,325 Speaker 3: up an emergency department in Royal Prince Alfred Hospital as well. 685 00:45:52,125 --> 00:45:54,845 Speaker 4: What was the last thing that you and Jodi had 686 00:45:54,885 --> 00:45:58,845 Speaker 4: an argument about? Because I would not if I was 687 00:45:58,885 --> 00:45:59,325 Speaker 4: your girlfriend. 688 00:45:59,325 --> 00:46:03,125 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to. We don't. We actually get on 689 00:46:04,165 --> 00:46:05,525 Speaker 1: incredibly well, like. 690 00:46:05,565 --> 00:46:08,205 Speaker 2: He's walked the dog? Or who didn't get milk? 691 00:46:08,285 --> 00:46:08,725 Speaker 1: No? 692 00:46:08,725 --> 00:46:14,885 Speaker 3: No, well we both love the dog and Toto's very spoilt. 693 00:46:15,725 --> 00:46:21,765 Speaker 3: Toto is certainly the first dog and she knows it. 694 00:46:21,805 --> 00:46:23,725 Speaker 2: Is Toto going to have a role in the wedding. 695 00:46:24,325 --> 00:46:27,725 Speaker 1: Of course, ring bear, she's got to be the ring bearer? 696 00:46:27,885 --> 00:46:29,925 Speaker 2: Really is she that well trained? 697 00:46:29,965 --> 00:46:32,725 Speaker 1: Oh? She's pretty good. Yeah, No, she's very discipline. 698 00:46:32,765 --> 00:46:38,285 Speaker 3: Knows to walk Toto around Marrickvil and she will never 699 00:46:38,365 --> 00:46:39,285 Speaker 3: ever run off. 700 00:46:40,245 --> 00:46:42,965 Speaker 1: And she's now of. 701 00:46:42,885 --> 00:46:45,925 Speaker 3: Course, had a tiny backyard as bad as big as this. 702 00:46:46,005 --> 00:46:47,525 Speaker 1: Studio in Maryville. 703 00:46:48,005 --> 00:46:51,605 Speaker 3: She's now the backyard yeah, a bit bigger these days. 704 00:46:51,845 --> 00:46:54,365 Speaker 2: Is the backyard going to stay big? Is my question 705 00:46:54,485 --> 00:46:54,805 Speaker 2: to you? 706 00:46:55,365 --> 00:46:57,725 Speaker 3: Well, that will be up to the Australian people. What 707 00:46:57,765 --> 00:47:00,005 Speaker 3: do you think they're going to stand coming months? Well, 708 00:47:00,285 --> 00:47:06,765 Speaker 3: I'm confident that we have not just a record of 709 00:47:06,965 --> 00:47:10,925 Speaker 3: seeing Australia through what has been very tough times, turning 710 00:47:10,965 --> 00:47:15,965 Speaker 3: that around. We have a program for an agenda for 711 00:47:16,045 --> 00:47:20,685 Speaker 3: a second term and our opponents have three policies six 712 00:47:20,765 --> 00:47:24,805 Speaker 3: hundred billion dollars nuclear plan sometime in the twenty forties 713 00:47:25,285 --> 00:47:27,765 Speaker 3: free lunch that all your listeners will pay for but 714 00:47:27,845 --> 00:47:31,085 Speaker 3: won't get up to twenty thousand dollars and cuts to 715 00:47:31,165 --> 00:47:33,365 Speaker 3: pay for all of the above that they won't tell 716 00:47:33,365 --> 00:47:36,605 Speaker 3: you about till after the election. I've never seen such 717 00:47:36,645 --> 00:47:40,725 Speaker 3: a lazy opposition. We had went to the election in 718 00:47:40,925 --> 00:47:45,165 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two with cheap of childcare policies, the Future 719 00:47:45,205 --> 00:47:50,165 Speaker 3: Major in Australia Agenda, a whole series of policies, age 720 00:47:50,205 --> 00:47:56,005 Speaker 3: care reform. They haven't done the hard yards and they're 721 00:47:56,005 --> 00:48:00,085 Speaker 3: not ready for government. And my government has been really 722 00:48:00,485 --> 00:48:04,765 Speaker 3: orderly disciplined. I've got a fantastic team. 723 00:48:05,525 --> 00:48:10,245 Speaker 4: You know, this is a forum to speak to a 724 00:48:10,365 --> 00:48:12,245 Speaker 4: large cohort of Australian women. 725 00:48:13,125 --> 00:48:16,925 Speaker 2: What is your pitch to them. 726 00:48:16,565 --> 00:48:21,765 Speaker 3: That we are a government that are defined by in 727 00:48:21,845 --> 00:48:24,925 Speaker 3: part one of our core objectives, not something that's an 728 00:48:24,925 --> 00:48:28,645 Speaker 3: add on, not something that's an afterthought. How do we 729 00:48:28,765 --> 00:48:35,005 Speaker 3: promote economic equality for women and that is something that's 730 00:48:35,045 --> 00:48:38,125 Speaker 3: at the core of what we do, whether it's in 731 00:48:38,245 --> 00:48:43,205 Speaker 3: economic policy, whether it be in social policy. We have 732 00:48:43,485 --> 00:48:47,125 Speaker 3: a record of achievement in our first three years, but 733 00:48:47,205 --> 00:48:51,685 Speaker 3: we recognize there is more to do and my government 734 00:48:51,725 --> 00:48:58,525 Speaker 3: will always be respectful and engaging. And I believe one 735 00:48:58,565 --> 00:49:04,565 Speaker 3: of the key differences between my government and our opponents 736 00:49:05,405 --> 00:49:09,285 Speaker 3: is whether we take gender equity seriously. 737 00:49:09,925 --> 00:49:14,445 Speaker 4: All right, here's a proposition for you, should you win 738 00:49:14,485 --> 00:49:18,045 Speaker 4: the election. I would like to invite you back in 739 00:49:18,085 --> 00:49:21,645 Speaker 4: a year's time so that I can check your KPIs 740 00:49:21,925 --> 00:49:27,005 Speaker 4: done on what you have done for women, policies that 741 00:49:27,085 --> 00:49:29,925 Speaker 4: have been executed that have changed the lives of women 742 00:49:29,965 --> 00:49:33,925 Speaker 4: in Australia. Absolutely, it's a deal, Albow. I don't see 743 00:49:33,965 --> 00:49:37,365 Speaker 4: you in a year's time. See you then, possibly as 744 00:49:37,445 --> 00:49:40,525 Speaker 4: Prime Minister. Possibly is a normy. He's just dropped by 745 00:49:40,605 --> 00:49:41,485 Speaker 4: to say hello. 746 00:49:41,405 --> 00:49:48,845 Speaker 1: Hope, we're both still here in every sense, fantastic, thank you, thanks. 747 00:49:48,685 --> 00:49:50,645 Speaker 2: For having me on self with us. 748 00:49:50,685 --> 00:49:51,285 Speaker 1: My pleasure. 749 00:49:54,645 --> 00:49:57,965 Speaker 4: There's more to Albow's story, and Maya actually sat down to. 750 00:49:57,925 --> 00:50:00,645 Speaker 2: Talk to the PM before he was the PM. 751 00:50:01,165 --> 00:50:04,725 Speaker 4: It's the most extraordinary story of meeting his father for 752 00:50:04,765 --> 00:50:08,445 Speaker 4: the first time when he was in his forties. There's 753 00:50:08,445 --> 00:50:11,485 Speaker 4: a link to that the show notes and if you'd 754 00:50:11,525 --> 00:50:14,125 Speaker 4: like to hear from the Leader of the Opposition, I 755 00:50:14,165 --> 00:50:17,165 Speaker 4: also spoke to Peter Dutton. There's also a link to 756 00:50:17,205 --> 00:50:21,285 Speaker 4: that discussion in the show Notes. I'm your host, kateline Brook. 757 00:50:21,725 --> 00:50:22,685 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening.