1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:18,934 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,374 --> 00:00:23,534 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Me's twice daily 5 00:00:23,614 --> 00:00:27,414 Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. A recent video from an AUSSI 6 00:00:27,494 --> 00:00:30,774 Speaker 2: podcast has gone viral for its content on speaking about 7 00:00:30,854 --> 00:00:31,894 Speaker 2: children with autism. 8 00:00:32,294 --> 00:00:35,334 Speaker 3: I know life is unpredictable. I never anticipated that I 9 00:00:35,374 --> 00:00:38,454 Speaker 3: might one day experience this amount this amount of pain. 10 00:00:38,934 --> 00:00:40,734 Speaker 3: But the pain of being a parent or an autistic 11 00:00:40,814 --> 00:00:43,934 Speaker 3: child is not the child, it's the world. 12 00:00:44,374 --> 00:00:47,454 Speaker 2: That's from a recent episode of The Imperfects, and if 13 00:00:47,454 --> 00:00:49,654 Speaker 2: you're also feeling a certain type of way about it, 14 00:00:49,734 --> 00:00:52,134 Speaker 2: you're not alone. We're looking at the impact of this 15 00:00:52,254 --> 00:00:55,334 Speaker 2: video and the larger conversation to be had around autism 16 00:00:55,334 --> 00:01:00,574 Speaker 2: awareness in Australia. Plus, with police investigations and serious allegations 17 00:01:00,614 --> 00:01:05,134 Speaker 2: of misconduct, has Australia's biggest reality TV show gone too far? 18 00:01:05,694 --> 00:01:07,774 Speaker 2: Before we get to that, here's Claire Murphy. We're the 19 00:01:07,854 --> 00:01:11,574 Speaker 2: latest from The Quickie newsroom for on Monday March seventeen. 20 00:01:11,774 --> 00:01:14,934 Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. A US conservative think tank is trying to 21 00:01:14,934 --> 00:01:17,454 Speaker 1: find out whether Prince Harry's visa to live and work 22 00:01:17,454 --> 00:01:20,414 Speaker 1: in America is valid, saying he may have lied about 23 00:01:20,494 --> 00:01:24,054 Speaker 1: previous drug use to obtain it. The Heritage Foundation, the 24 00:01:24,094 --> 00:01:27,614 Speaker 1: same people behind Donald Trump's Project twenty twenty five, lodged 25 00:01:27,654 --> 00:01:30,734 Speaker 1: a freedom of information request to review his visa application 26 00:01:30,894 --> 00:01:35,094 Speaker 1: details after Harry wrote about taking cocaine, mushrooms, and marijuana 27 00:01:35,134 --> 00:01:37,974 Speaker 1: in his book Spare. In September, a judge ruled that 28 00:01:38,014 --> 00:01:40,054 Speaker 1: the public did not have a strong interest in the 29 00:01:40,094 --> 00:01:43,414 Speaker 1: disclosure of the information, but the Heritage Foundation pushed for 30 00:01:43,454 --> 00:01:46,374 Speaker 1: the judgment to be changed. The same judge ordering the 31 00:01:46,454 --> 00:01:49,814 Speaker 1: US Department of Homeland Security to release the redacted version 32 00:01:49,894 --> 00:01:53,454 Speaker 1: no later than Tuesday. US President Donald Trump last month 33 00:01:53,534 --> 00:01:56,934 Speaker 1: ruled out deporting Harry, saying I'll leave him alone. He's 34 00:01:56,974 --> 00:02:00,374 Speaker 1: got enough problems with his wife. She's terrible. Meghan, the 35 00:02:00,414 --> 00:02:03,574 Speaker 1: Duchess of Sussex, has called Trump out several times, calling 36 00:02:03,654 --> 00:02:07,854 Speaker 1: him divisive and a misogynist. An American influencer who snatched 37 00:02:07,854 --> 00:02:09,694 Speaker 1: a baby wombat from its mother while I'm on a 38 00:02:09,694 --> 00:02:13,654 Speaker 1: trip to Australia has apologized. Sam Jones posted a statement 39 00:02:13,654 --> 00:02:16,094 Speaker 1: on her Instagram saying she picked up the animals so 40 00:02:16,134 --> 00:02:18,014 Speaker 1: that it wouldn't get hit on the side of the road. 41 00:02:18,374 --> 00:02:20,414 Speaker 1: She claims that when she walked up to them, because 42 00:02:20,454 --> 00:02:22,974 Speaker 1: they didn't move or run off, she was concerned they 43 00:02:23,014 --> 00:02:24,894 Speaker 1: may have been sick or injured, so she made the 44 00:02:24,894 --> 00:02:27,014 Speaker 1: snap decision to pick the joey up and see if 45 00:02:27,054 --> 00:02:29,374 Speaker 1: that was the case. She says she ran not to 46 00:02:29,454 --> 00:02:31,534 Speaker 1: rip the animal away from its mother, but because she 47 00:02:31,574 --> 00:02:35,054 Speaker 1: feared the mother would attack her. In the now deleted video, Jones, 48 00:02:35,094 --> 00:02:37,534 Speaker 1: who since returned to the States, can be heard saying 49 00:02:37,654 --> 00:02:40,774 Speaker 1: I caught a baby wombat, before saying Okay, mama's right 50 00:02:40,774 --> 00:02:43,374 Speaker 1: there and she's pissed. Let's let him go. At no 51 00:02:43,534 --> 00:02:46,094 Speaker 1: stage does she check the animal to see if it's injured. 52 00:02:46,854 --> 00:02:48,774 Speaker 1: The Greens are calling for US to pull out of 53 00:02:48,774 --> 00:02:51,694 Speaker 1: the Orchest deal, calling the tariff placed on local steel 54 00:02:51,734 --> 00:02:54,534 Speaker 1: a wake up call for US to rethink Australia's relationship 55 00:02:54,574 --> 00:02:57,494 Speaker 1: with the US. Green's leader Adam Band says the deal 56 00:02:57,614 --> 00:03:00,854 Speaker 1: also puts a very big target on Australia's back, saying 57 00:03:00,894 --> 00:03:03,254 Speaker 1: now is not the time to be hitching Australia's wagon 58 00:03:03,294 --> 00:03:05,854 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump, that it puts US at risk and 59 00:03:05,894 --> 00:03:08,294 Speaker 1: it is billions of dollars spent on submarines that may 60 00:03:08,334 --> 00:03:11,854 Speaker 1: never arrive. Prime Minister has already ruled out killing the deals, 61 00:03:11,894 --> 00:03:15,174 Speaker 1: saying it was good for Australia. The Trilateral Agreement promising 62 00:03:15,254 --> 00:03:18,654 Speaker 1: to deliver eight new nuclear submarines by the mid twenty fifties. 63 00:03:19,134 --> 00:03:22,494 Speaker 1: The Albanezy government is promising to upgrade the Medical Costs 64 00:03:22,574 --> 00:03:25,774 Speaker 1: find a website if they're re elected, allowing patients to 65 00:03:25,774 --> 00:03:28,934 Speaker 1: see the average fee charged by every eligible non GP 66 00:03:29,094 --> 00:03:32,254 Speaker 1: specialist and compare it to the national average. The government 67 00:03:32,294 --> 00:03:34,654 Speaker 1: says it allows ossies to find the best value when 68 00:03:34,654 --> 00:03:38,214 Speaker 1: they need specialist help, showing how much particular surgeries cost 69 00:03:38,294 --> 00:03:41,734 Speaker 1: in different areas and with different doctors. The improved website 70 00:03:41,734 --> 00:03:45,174 Speaker 1: also promises to include private health insurance data to show 71 00:03:45,174 --> 00:03:47,014 Speaker 1: how much they may have to pay out of pocket 72 00:03:47,054 --> 00:03:50,174 Speaker 1: for services that aren't fully covered by their insurer. The 73 00:03:50,214 --> 00:03:53,694 Speaker 1: site was established by the former Liberal government. However, its 74 00:03:53,774 --> 00:03:57,454 Speaker 1: data is limited as very few doctors have listed their information. 75 00:03:57,894 --> 00:04:00,974 Speaker 1: The upgrade would allow that information to be sourced from Medicare, 76 00:04:01,174 --> 00:04:02,654 Speaker 1: hospitals and insurers. 77 00:04:03,054 --> 00:04:06,734 Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next the conversation about autism and Australia We 78 00:04:06,894 --> 00:04:13,174 Speaker 2: need to be across. Late last week, a clip from 79 00:04:13,174 --> 00:04:16,734 Speaker 2: The Imperfect podcast host Hugh Van Kilenberg, when viral on 80 00:04:16,814 --> 00:04:20,334 Speaker 2: social media. In it, he shares his family's journey of 81 00:04:20,374 --> 00:04:22,894 Speaker 2: discovering one of his four children is autistic. 82 00:04:23,374 --> 00:04:25,214 Speaker 3: To the strangers who see a child in distress and 83 00:04:25,254 --> 00:04:28,294 Speaker 3: choose to laugh or judge, you don't have to understand, 84 00:04:29,694 --> 00:04:32,574 Speaker 3: just be kind, because what you don't see is the 85 00:04:32,614 --> 00:04:34,494 Speaker 3: strength it takes for these kids to exist in a 86 00:04:34,494 --> 00:04:37,334 Speaker 3: world that constantly asks them to change. You don't see 87 00:04:37,334 --> 00:04:40,094 Speaker 3: the love that holds them together. You don't see the 88 00:04:40,174 --> 00:04:43,094 Speaker 3: parents sitting beside them, doing everything they can to get 89 00:04:43,134 --> 00:04:46,534 Speaker 3: through this moment, hoping just one person will choose compassion 90 00:04:46,574 --> 00:04:47,174 Speaker 3: over judgment. 91 00:04:47,814 --> 00:04:51,054 Speaker 2: It's a story that's resonated with thousands of Australians, both 92 00:04:51,174 --> 00:04:55,134 Speaker 2: parents and people living with autism, which, as the number show, 93 00:04:55,294 --> 00:04:59,574 Speaker 2: is a growing group. According to Aspect Autism Spectrum Australia, 94 00:04:59,734 --> 00:05:03,494 Speaker 2: at least one in forty Ozzies are now identified as autistic. 95 00:05:03,894 --> 00:05:07,174 Speaker 2: That's more than six hundred thousand people. But what does 96 00:05:07,174 --> 00:05:10,054 Speaker 2: it mean for both parents and children when an autism 97 00:05:10,134 --> 00:05:14,694 Speaker 2: diagnosis becomes reality. Carlie Dober is a psychologist and the 98 00:05:14,694 --> 00:05:20,134 Speaker 2: policy coordinator for the Australian Association of psychologists. Carli, what 99 00:05:20,214 --> 00:05:22,654 Speaker 2: were your first thoughts when watching that video? 100 00:05:22,934 --> 00:05:27,814 Speaker 4: My heart felt so full as he was describing the 101 00:05:27,894 --> 00:05:31,694 Speaker 4: love for his child, but then also that compassion that 102 00:05:31,814 --> 00:05:34,694 Speaker 4: is echoed by so many parents in the exact same situation, 103 00:05:34,814 --> 00:05:38,494 Speaker 4: that it's not actually the autistic diagnosis that is the problem, 104 00:05:38,534 --> 00:05:42,654 Speaker 4: it's how the world or different factions of the society 105 00:05:43,014 --> 00:05:46,774 Speaker 4: might treat the autistic child. It was just heart ranging. 106 00:05:47,414 --> 00:05:49,654 Speaker 2: I like that you brought that up, because in that video, 107 00:05:49,774 --> 00:05:52,094 Speaker 2: Hugh says the pain of being a parent to an 108 00:05:52,134 --> 00:05:55,334 Speaker 2: autistic child is not the child, it's the world for 109 00:05:55,534 --> 00:05:58,414 Speaker 2: people who maybe haven't experienced it. Can you explain to 110 00:05:58,494 --> 00:06:01,574 Speaker 2: us what life could look like for someone living with autism? 111 00:06:01,734 --> 00:06:01,974 Speaker 3: Yeah? 112 00:06:02,014 --> 00:06:04,854 Speaker 4: I think we need to remember that while there has 113 00:06:04,894 --> 00:06:08,214 Speaker 4: been such an amazing increase in awareness and advocacy for 114 00:06:08,374 --> 00:06:12,334 Speaker 4: the autistic community, there are still far too many pockets 115 00:06:12,334 --> 00:06:17,934 Speaker 4: of society in which anti autistic stigma runs rampant. From 116 00:06:17,974 --> 00:06:21,334 Speaker 4: a young age, children might be excluded from social events 117 00:06:21,654 --> 00:06:25,134 Speaker 4: or might be treated differently at school. This all impacts 118 00:06:25,134 --> 00:06:28,374 Speaker 4: their mental health and self confidence and well being. They 119 00:06:28,414 --> 00:06:32,054 Speaker 4: also might be passed up for jobs. They might struggle 120 00:06:32,094 --> 00:06:35,934 Speaker 4: to make friends and to find their own community, and 121 00:06:36,014 --> 00:06:38,054 Speaker 4: all of this stuff if you're a parent is horrible 122 00:06:38,214 --> 00:06:40,934 Speaker 4: and just even hearing how some people like I hate 123 00:06:40,934 --> 00:06:45,134 Speaker 4: to say it, rfk Jr. Talk about autism as if 124 00:06:45,174 --> 00:06:49,094 Speaker 4: it is an issue. There's too many harmful messages about 125 00:06:49,094 --> 00:06:53,134 Speaker 4: autism and society and this all impacts parents so much. 126 00:06:54,054 --> 00:06:56,174 Speaker 2: Carli, can you explain to us what a typical journey 127 00:06:56,214 --> 00:06:59,534 Speaker 2: to diagnosis of autism looks like? How long does it 128 00:06:59,614 --> 00:07:03,374 Speaker 2: typically take for say, a child to be diagnosed with autism? 129 00:07:03,374 --> 00:07:04,574 Speaker 2: Are we talking years here? 130 00:07:05,334 --> 00:07:08,934 Speaker 4: Oh? This is a hard fun because we're thinking of 131 00:07:09,574 --> 00:07:13,334 Speaker 4: different behaviors and how well resourced are families and what 132 00:07:13,414 --> 00:07:17,014 Speaker 4: support they have in their community. It can take years, 133 00:07:17,054 --> 00:07:21,214 Speaker 4: and it is very common sometimes for people to be 134 00:07:21,254 --> 00:07:26,054 Speaker 4: successfully diagnosed as autistic in their late adult years. But 135 00:07:26,334 --> 00:07:31,534 Speaker 4: if we're thinking about a very straightforward case, probably from 136 00:07:31,534 --> 00:07:35,814 Speaker 4: about the age of two onwards, parents might notice some 137 00:07:35,934 --> 00:07:39,054 Speaker 4: things developmentally about their child that they might report to 138 00:07:39,094 --> 00:07:42,814 Speaker 4: their GP, and they might connect to a pediatrician. From there, 139 00:07:42,854 --> 00:07:46,014 Speaker 4: they might be able to access early intervention in DAS 140 00:07:46,134 --> 00:07:50,254 Speaker 4: supports to ensure that the child is able to get 141 00:07:50,254 --> 00:07:51,854 Speaker 4: the support that they need and to see if that 142 00:07:51,854 --> 00:07:55,574 Speaker 4: makes any difference. And then From there, it might be 143 00:07:55,614 --> 00:07:59,854 Speaker 4: a few years until a definitive autistic diagnosis is provided, 144 00:07:59,894 --> 00:08:03,414 Speaker 4: and sometimes it might be given immediately. This all does 145 00:08:03,494 --> 00:08:06,894 Speaker 4: cost money, and significant money, because I guess if you 146 00:08:07,294 --> 00:08:12,094 Speaker 4: have ever accessed to pediatrician before or OT speech therapists privately, 147 00:08:12,614 --> 00:08:13,734 Speaker 4: it can add up very quickly. 148 00:08:14,334 --> 00:08:16,974 Speaker 2: So diagnosis is one thing, and that in itself can 149 00:08:17,014 --> 00:08:20,694 Speaker 2: be really affirming for people and for families. But it's 150 00:08:20,734 --> 00:08:23,254 Speaker 2: what happens sort of after that, isn't it like what 151 00:08:23,334 --> 00:08:25,774 Speaker 2: you was saying, it's the world. How do you help 152 00:08:25,814 --> 00:08:28,854 Speaker 2: your child through a world that maybe isn't necessarily designed 153 00:08:28,854 --> 00:08:29,214 Speaker 2: for them? 154 00:08:29,614 --> 00:08:31,534 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. And if we're thinking of children who 155 00:08:31,614 --> 00:08:35,134 Speaker 4: are autistic with different sensory profiles, think of how loud 156 00:08:35,454 --> 00:08:39,094 Speaker 4: and overstimulating just walking down the street can be. If 157 00:08:39,094 --> 00:08:41,134 Speaker 4: you live in a busy suburb or the city, or 158 00:08:41,174 --> 00:08:44,334 Speaker 4: you're going somewhere with the family, it can be really 159 00:08:44,334 --> 00:08:48,254 Speaker 4: overstimulated and quite distressing for the child, which can then 160 00:08:48,374 --> 00:08:51,774 Speaker 4: impact the child's mood, the child's energy, the family is 161 00:08:51,854 --> 00:08:55,094 Speaker 4: well being, and then again the stigma from people who 162 00:08:55,214 --> 00:08:58,254 Speaker 4: might not understand that the child isn't trying to make 163 00:08:58,294 --> 00:09:02,174 Speaker 4: a scene, they're just really distressed. It's just the world, 164 00:09:02,214 --> 00:09:07,054 Speaker 4: like you said, is not built for neurodiversity, Karli. 165 00:09:07,174 --> 00:09:10,294 Speaker 2: Last year, Autism Spake from Australia revealed a new estimate 166 00:09:10,294 --> 00:09:13,214 Speaker 2: that one in forty people are now on the spectrum. 167 00:09:13,374 --> 00:09:16,334 Speaker 2: Previously that number was around one in seventy. So they've 168 00:09:16,614 --> 00:09:19,574 Speaker 2: closed the gap, they've made it slightly a smaller group, 169 00:09:19,654 --> 00:09:22,454 Speaker 2: meaning more people are likely to be living with autism. 170 00:09:22,854 --> 00:09:26,654 Speaker 2: Why do you think there's been an increase in that diagnosis. 171 00:09:25,894 --> 00:09:29,414 Speaker 4: Well, I think firstly, incredible advances over the decades in 172 00:09:29,494 --> 00:09:35,774 Speaker 4: diagnostic capabilities have improved this capacity to accurately diagnose and 173 00:09:35,774 --> 00:09:39,614 Speaker 4: support autistic people and families, but also a far greater 174 00:09:39,734 --> 00:09:43,534 Speaker 4: understanding and awareness seems to be largely driving the increase. 175 00:09:44,214 --> 00:09:47,174 Speaker 4: When some people hear those stats, they might ooh, that's 176 00:09:47,214 --> 00:09:50,894 Speaker 4: a bad thing, right, But actually the increase actually means 177 00:09:50,894 --> 00:09:53,374 Speaker 4: that this is a great thing, that these people who 178 00:09:53,454 --> 00:09:57,054 Speaker 4: might have fallen through the cracks can actually start accessing 179 00:09:57,054 --> 00:09:58,414 Speaker 4: appropriate treatment and care. 180 00:09:59,054 --> 00:10:01,654 Speaker 2: What advice do you have for parents who are either 181 00:10:01,694 --> 00:10:05,174 Speaker 2: currently on that journey to diagnosis with their child, or 182 00:10:05,294 --> 00:10:07,534 Speaker 2: maybe for parents who've just found out that their child 183 00:10:07,614 --> 00:10:08,254 Speaker 2: is autistic. 184 00:10:08,774 --> 00:10:12,534 Speaker 4: I definitely encourage them to connect to other parents and 185 00:10:12,614 --> 00:10:15,214 Speaker 4: people who might be on the same journey. It can 186 00:10:15,294 --> 00:10:20,054 Speaker 4: feel quite lonely depending on how autism friendly your community, 187 00:10:20,134 --> 00:10:23,374 Speaker 4: your family, your friends are, and there can be a 188 00:10:23,414 --> 00:10:25,934 Speaker 4: lot of isolation in that. So please connect to other 189 00:10:25,974 --> 00:10:28,654 Speaker 4: people if you can find them online, find them in person, 190 00:10:28,734 --> 00:10:31,614 Speaker 4: find them wherever you can. So firstly, do that, and 191 00:10:31,694 --> 00:10:35,414 Speaker 4: I also recommend that parents do seek support themselves from 192 00:10:35,454 --> 00:10:38,894 Speaker 4: a psychologist or some other mental health professional because there 193 00:10:38,974 --> 00:10:41,534 Speaker 4: might be a lot of stress and strain that you 194 00:10:41,614 --> 00:10:44,254 Speaker 4: also need to be supported in so that you can 195 00:10:44,294 --> 00:10:46,174 Speaker 4: be the best parent you can to your child. 196 00:10:47,054 --> 00:10:50,334 Speaker 2: Just finally, Carly, when videos like this pop up online 197 00:10:50,374 --> 00:10:53,414 Speaker 2: and they usually come from prominent people, they go viral. 198 00:10:53,894 --> 00:10:56,934 Speaker 2: The conversation is then brought back to the forefront. What 199 00:10:57,014 --> 00:10:59,294 Speaker 2: kind of impact do you think that they would have publicly? 200 00:11:00,094 --> 00:11:02,934 Speaker 4: I don't think we can underestimate the power of prominent 201 00:11:02,974 --> 00:11:07,174 Speaker 4: people shining light on something that is spoken about, but 202 00:11:07,694 --> 00:11:10,734 Speaker 4: now has the opportunity in having a different face, a 203 00:11:10,734 --> 00:11:15,814 Speaker 4: different story, a different family to share with everyone else. 204 00:11:16,014 --> 00:11:20,134 Speaker 4: I hope this means more compassion, more awareness, more kindness, 205 00:11:20,214 --> 00:11:24,014 Speaker 4: more support provided. And you know, again, if you watch it, 206 00:11:24,414 --> 00:11:26,774 Speaker 4: you can't really take anything else from it, I think. 207 00:11:27,774 --> 00:11:29,814 Speaker 2: If you want to hear more about this topic. Last year, 208 00:11:29,814 --> 00:11:32,814 Speaker 2: The Quickie spoke to parents of neurodivergent kids to find 209 00:11:32,814 --> 00:11:35,374 Speaker 2: out what they want us all to know about their families. 210 00:11:35,654 --> 00:11:37,534 Speaker 2: Will pop a link to that in the show notes. 211 00:11:41,774 --> 00:11:44,414 Speaker 2: Married at First Sight has long pushed the boundaries of 212 00:11:44,494 --> 00:11:48,814 Speaker 2: reality TV, but with multiple investigations now underway, has the 213 00:11:48,854 --> 00:11:52,774 Speaker 2: show finally crossed a line. Tara Watson is Mammy's a 214 00:11:52,774 --> 00:11:55,734 Speaker 2: senior entertainment writer. She's been keeping us all up to 215 00:11:55,814 --> 00:11:58,934 Speaker 2: date with the latest from this season of Maths. Tara, 216 00:11:59,174 --> 00:12:01,334 Speaker 2: there's a lot to unpack here. Can we start with 217 00:12:01,374 --> 00:12:03,254 Speaker 2: a quick recap of last night's show? 218 00:12:03,974 --> 00:12:07,334 Speaker 5: Okay, so, the two couples we really care about is Jamie, 219 00:12:07,534 --> 00:12:12,374 Speaker 5: Dave and Karina and Paul. Jamie and David doing well. 220 00:12:13,334 --> 00:12:17,334 Speaker 5: He's acting really weird and standoffish. They're staying on the show, 221 00:12:17,534 --> 00:12:19,734 Speaker 5: but I don't have a good feeling about them. And 222 00:12:19,774 --> 00:12:23,734 Speaker 5: then Paul was kind of held accountable by the experts 223 00:12:23,774 --> 00:12:26,134 Speaker 5: for what he did to Karina last week, which was 224 00:12:26,214 --> 00:12:31,334 Speaker 5: kind of betraying her trust by spilling her secrets to Athena. 225 00:12:31,374 --> 00:12:34,094 Speaker 5: Other than those two couples, the others are kind of 226 00:12:34,174 --> 00:12:35,414 Speaker 5: doing marginally better. 227 00:12:36,214 --> 00:12:38,574 Speaker 2: It feels like every season we say like this is 228 00:12:38,614 --> 00:12:41,574 Speaker 2: the worst, Maths has gone too far, It can't possibly 229 00:12:41,614 --> 00:12:45,014 Speaker 2: get any worse than this. But this most recent season 230 00:12:45,054 --> 00:12:47,614 Speaker 2: in particular, there's been quite a few incidents that could 231 00:12:47,614 --> 00:12:51,134 Speaker 2: really point to it being far more questionable than previously. 232 00:12:51,614 --> 00:12:53,574 Speaker 2: Can we run through some of them with you now, Tara, 233 00:12:53,774 --> 00:12:57,254 Speaker 2: Let's start with the real life police investigations. What's going 234 00:12:57,294 --> 00:12:57,694 Speaker 2: on there. 235 00:12:58,134 --> 00:13:01,494 Speaker 5: Every year there's controversies as complaints, but this year it 236 00:13:01,534 --> 00:13:04,614 Speaker 5: feels like things have finally been taken seriously. So at 237 00:13:04,614 --> 00:13:07,614 Speaker 5: the moment, the New South Wales police are investigating an 238 00:13:07,614 --> 00:13:10,734 Speaker 5: incident where Paul punched a in the apartment that he 239 00:13:10,814 --> 00:13:13,374 Speaker 5: shared with Karna, which happened a couple of weeks ago. 240 00:13:13,374 --> 00:13:16,014 Speaker 5: It was a very scary incident that got a huge 241 00:13:16,054 --> 00:13:20,454 Speaker 5: backlash online. There's also reports that Safe Work New South 242 00:13:20,494 --> 00:13:24,894 Speaker 5: Wales are investigating the show and even like interviewing cast members. 243 00:13:25,254 --> 00:13:28,854 Speaker 5: There's a lot happening, and Jackie, who's one contestant that's 244 00:13:28,854 --> 00:13:32,894 Speaker 5: been particularly outspoken, has also alluded by posting on Instagram 245 00:13:32,934 --> 00:13:38,094 Speaker 5: she said that justice is coming, so again she's hinting 246 00:13:38,134 --> 00:13:40,974 Speaker 5: that something's happening behind the scenes. As some type of 247 00:13:41,014 --> 00:13:42,574 Speaker 5: other investigation happening. 248 00:13:42,934 --> 00:13:45,254 Speaker 2: It almost feels silly to say this, but it feels 249 00:13:45,254 --> 00:13:48,494 Speaker 2: like the real world effects have spilled out into many places. 250 00:13:48,854 --> 00:13:53,054 Speaker 2: The police and work safe investigations aside, radio hosts fits 251 00:13:53,094 --> 00:13:54,974 Speaker 2: and Whipper have also thrown their hat in the ring. 252 00:13:55,094 --> 00:13:56,014 Speaker 2: What have they done? 253 00:13:56,454 --> 00:13:59,774 Speaker 6: This is pretty big so fits here and Whipper are 254 00:13:59,814 --> 00:14:02,974 Speaker 6: known for throwing these annual Maths dinner parties where they 255 00:14:03,094 --> 00:14:05,654 Speaker 6: bring together all the contestants, which is usually their first 256 00:14:05,694 --> 00:14:08,054 Speaker 6: time they've all been in the same room since their reunion, 257 00:14:08,174 --> 00:14:11,214 Speaker 6: so it often leads to do drama. 258 00:14:10,894 --> 00:14:15,134 Speaker 5: Revelations fights. Well, this year no dinner party, so the 259 00:14:15,214 --> 00:14:19,174 Speaker 5: host announced on Thursday that Channel nine is not playing 260 00:14:19,214 --> 00:14:22,494 Speaker 5: ball and they're not doing the dinner party with them anymore, 261 00:14:22,654 --> 00:14:25,614 Speaker 5: well least not for this year, and the hosts even 262 00:14:25,694 --> 00:14:27,814 Speaker 5: went as far as to suggest that it is because 263 00:14:27,854 --> 00:14:31,374 Speaker 5: of these pending investigations and also how many contestants are 264 00:14:31,374 --> 00:14:34,094 Speaker 5: going rogue, and then that maybe that was just Channel 265 00:14:34,174 --> 00:14:36,534 Speaker 5: nine don't want to give the contestants any more chance 266 00:14:36,694 --> 00:14:39,414 Speaker 5: to say anything more or make any more claims. 267 00:14:39,894 --> 00:14:44,214 Speaker 2: Also, more recently, there's been some allegations of revenge porn. 268 00:14:44,414 --> 00:14:47,254 Speaker 2: Now neither you or I have cited this, but Jackie 269 00:14:47,294 --> 00:14:50,054 Speaker 2: has accused Ryan. What's going on there? 270 00:14:50,654 --> 00:14:53,654 Speaker 5: So all season Jackie has been sharing her side of 271 00:14:53,694 --> 00:14:57,174 Speaker 5: the story and questioning her edit by using an alternative 272 00:14:57,214 --> 00:15:01,974 Speaker 5: Instagram account. So Ryan also has an alternative Instagram account. 273 00:15:02,014 --> 00:15:04,254 Speaker 5: This is how it is now, and he's been posting 274 00:15:04,294 --> 00:15:08,614 Speaker 5: a lot, including their intimate text messages, which as I'm 275 00:15:08,694 --> 00:15:12,254 Speaker 5: speaking now still up on this page. Jackie has posted 276 00:15:12,374 --> 00:15:16,054 Speaker 5: in an Instagram's story a comment she left on his post, 277 00:15:16,094 --> 00:15:18,214 Speaker 5: which I have checked and it's been deleted, where she 278 00:15:18,294 --> 00:15:21,094 Speaker 5: said that she considered this revenge porn and she has 279 00:15:21,134 --> 00:15:22,534 Speaker 5: filed a police report. 280 00:15:22,814 --> 00:15:24,294 Speaker 2: It's a pretty serious allegation. 281 00:15:24,654 --> 00:15:28,654 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all very ugly and unpleasant. Hopefully there's some 282 00:15:28,694 --> 00:15:31,094 Speaker 5: big changes to be made, because I think there is 283 00:15:31,134 --> 00:15:33,374 Speaker 5: a bigger problem with maps, and I don't think the 284 00:15:33,374 --> 00:15:36,134 Speaker 5: show should end, but I think changes should be made. 285 00:15:37,254 --> 00:15:40,414 Speaker 2: If you want more maths, Tara is recapping every episode 286 00:15:40,454 --> 00:15:43,694 Speaker 2: on the Muma Mea website. Thanks for taking the time 287 00:15:43,774 --> 00:15:45,534 Speaker 2: to feed your mind with us Today, there'll be a 288 00:15:45,574 --> 00:15:48,574 Speaker 2: link to the full episode of the Imperfect podcast and 289 00:15:48,654 --> 00:15:51,694 Speaker 2: the transcript of Hugh's open letter in our show notes. 290 00:15:52,694 --> 00:15:56,134 Speaker 2: The Quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano, and Claire Murphy, 291 00:15:56,254 --> 00:15:58,254 Speaker 2: with audio production by Lou Hill.