WEBVTT - Reading-Gap Relationships & The 'Daddy' Of It All

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome. It's Mom and Mia out loud. What

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<v Speaker 1>women are actually talking about today? It's Friday, the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>ninth of May. You have to look down to check

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<v Speaker 1>the day I did, because I'm not going to say

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<v Speaker 1>it's so boring. I'm just like, but how is it

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty ninth of day? I'm sorry to be boring.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a Holly Waynwright, I'm Claire Stephens.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm m Burnham. And here's what made our agenda

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<v Speaker 1>for today. It's what Katy Perry calls Justin Trudeau. It's

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<v Speaker 1>what Kylie calls Timothy, and what the Internet calls Pedro

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<v Speaker 1>Pascal and what the world's most successful female podcaster calls herself.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's with all the daddy I have answers?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't worry, worry.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus, we finally have an answer to the age old

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<v Speaker 3>question of how often do you wash your hair?

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<v Speaker 2>This is very important business and the perils of a

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<v Speaker 2>reading gap relationship. What does it mean if your partner

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't read and you survive it?

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<v Speaker 1>But first, ed Vernon, do you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember when I attempted to raw dog boredom?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. It was this trend where the young people were

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<v Speaker 1>filming themselves doing nothing except looking at a clock, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's silly, and you were like, I

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<v Speaker 1>tried it.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried it.

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<v Speaker 3>I stared at a wall for ten minutes and I

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<v Speaker 3>had a clock in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually filmed it because I did it on company time.

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<v Speaker 1>I do nothing for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I did it in a little meeting room.

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<v Speaker 3>It was very difficult, but I think that's what started

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<v Speaker 3>my obsession with analog hobbies, because then we talked about

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<v Speaker 3>my analog bag, which is another TikTok trend where women

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<v Speaker 3>just made a big tote bag full of analog activities,

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<v Speaker 3>like coloring in maybe like taking photos on a film camera,

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of doing journaling stuff that doesn't require any

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<v Speaker 3>digital device.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know when my an so I take it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not going that well.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not going too well. I feel like I stuck

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<v Speaker 3>with it for a few months.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know about this. I want to discuss this.

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<v Speaker 1>Our relationship with boredom. I saw this meme this week

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<v Speaker 1>that was like we've normalized over Consumptionorry very worthy, very

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<v Speaker 1>worthy podcasts while walking, Doom, scrolling on the toilet, Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>while eating something is always filling the silence. We're becoming

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<v Speaker 1>scared of our own thoughts. Our minds have no breathing space.

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<v Speaker 1>We feel groggy and mentally exhausted. I'm like, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know my life, and then I'm like, oh, yeah, of

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<v Speaker 1>course we are. Our brains never get a break. Boredom

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<v Speaker 1>is the cure. And this message is very fashionable at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, and I wanted to check in with how

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<v Speaker 1>we're going with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like all my friendships slash podcasts slash, Like

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<v Speaker 2>all my contact with the world is just a cycle

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<v Speaker 2>of people being like, here's my hack for getting off

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<v Speaker 2>my phone. I got and thirty three ten and I

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<v Speaker 2>bought this thing, and I'm guilty. I have a brick

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<v Speaker 2>stuck to my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>To your fridge. Yeah, two fridge, So.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that you like, tap your phone on and

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<v Speaker 2>it locks you out of your apps. Bloody great when

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<v Speaker 2>I remember to use it. But the problem is I'm

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<v Speaker 2>on TikTok so much that it's distracting me from remembering

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<v Speaker 2>that the brick is even a thing. But I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like everyone just goes through these cycles, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>fact is we're just back on our phones and then

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<v Speaker 2>we all listen, listen, to a podcast or read a

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<v Speaker 2>book that it's like this is ruining our lives and

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<v Speaker 2>we're like, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I ask you? Are your friends really buying nockire

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<v Speaker 1>like dumb phones?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Really? And how does it generally go? This is how

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<v Speaker 1>I picture it. You're at dinner and they put their

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<v Speaker 1>nock here on the table with a sort of smug superiority,

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<v Speaker 1>and you all go, wow, I didn't know there's existed anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>And then what happens Or they turn up and they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I've deleted everything. I've deleted Instagram, TikTok, I've deleted every app.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just not it. And then you're like, you're amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>You're an icon, Like I don't know how you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then three days lady, you DM from on Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, hmmm, things aren't going so well.

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<v Speaker 1>Or they're posting on Instagram about how they've ditched Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't have a smartphone anymore, and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>what device are you posting this from? Does your knock

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<v Speaker 1>here connect to Instagram? Doing a desktop computer post?

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<v Speaker 2>But I have to say, when as as somebody coming

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<v Speaker 2>reporting live from my flop era, the fact that sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>all you want to do is kill some time with

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<v Speaker 2>some lovely distraction. And for example, I've always hated exercise.

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<v Speaker 2>I just simply do not enjoy it. And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you're meant to do it mindfully, but I resent every

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<v Speaker 2>second of it. And the only way for me to

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<v Speaker 2>get through it I I look forward to in the

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<v Speaker 2>evenings I put on my television show. It has to

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<v Speaker 2>be bad and I do my weights, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>the only way I.

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<v Speaker 1>Can do it. Fine, that's good, that's allowed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's actually really admirable.

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<v Speaker 1>That is allowed, definitely, because that's what it's for. Your

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<v Speaker 1>bad TV show is for weights. There is the distraction, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And also if we've trained our brains to always be multitasking,

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<v Speaker 1>demanding it to focus on weights, it's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>And the analog bag, really analog bag, it's just was

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<v Speaker 3>too hard. Like one time I took my so my

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing with my analog bag was I would take

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<v Speaker 3>everything to like a park and do like my little

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<v Speaker 3>hobbies and activities journal and I would leave my phone

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<v Speaker 3>at home. And then one time I went to the

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<v Speaker 3>park and I was doing my analog activities and there

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<v Speaker 3>was a dog and I couldn't take a photo of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, that's rue because I left my phone at home.

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<v Speaker 2>I had that one time. Oh my gosh. I went

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<v Speaker 2>for a walk. I think it was during COVID and

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<v Speaker 2>I went for a walk, my normal little walk when

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<v Speaker 2>I lived in Glebe, and it was like la la lah,

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<v Speaker 2>so smug, so smug. I don't have a phone. And

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<v Speaker 2>there was a seal. It's so cute and it keeps

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<v Speaker 2>popping up and I can't document this and I feel

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<v Speaker 2>so alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the seal even happen if you didn't take a picture.

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<v Speaker 1>I explained the brick, which is that? So the brick,

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<v Speaker 1>as Claire said, is a device you can buy that

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<v Speaker 1>locks you out of your phone, well, locks you out

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<v Speaker 1>of your apps on your phone, but like it would

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<v Speaker 1>still ring if your child needed you or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>I explained that brick to Brent and he did not

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<v Speaker 1>understand the words coming out of my mouth. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>just don't touch your phone, and a lot about Louder

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<v Speaker 1>said the same thing last time. It's like what I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand. Why would you buy a thing to stop

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<v Speaker 1>you from looking at your thing? And I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get.

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<v Speaker 2>My brain and understand that I'm on well I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I am in a very bad habit, which I've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about before, but at the minute I'm back in it,

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<v Speaker 1>which is ten minutes, say ten minutes, let's be real.

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<v Speaker 1>But before I go to sleep, immediately before I go

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep, and when I very first wake up, I'm scrolling,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm scrolling pleasant things. I'm scrolling like bad bunnies

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<v Speaker 1>back on tour in Spain, gardening rivals, whatever. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still just scrolling nonsense. And I know it's bad for me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know it affects my sleep and all those things.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am powerless before it, and I need to

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<v Speaker 1>get back out of that thing. And I just so

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<v Speaker 1>I see memes like this, and I'm like, I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, I know you're right. I know you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't change my behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh dear, speaking of the Internet and the things that

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<v Speaker 1>it's taught me lately, I don't think I saw this

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<v Speaker 1>on one of my nighttime scrolls. I bring some serious

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<v Speaker 1>texts from the Internet for study friends because I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to understand something about the current moment that I do

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<v Speaker 1>not so text one a comment from Kylie Jenner just

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<v Speaker 1>one word written under a post from page six, which

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<v Speaker 1>is The New York Post's gossip column. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why she's looking at that, but clearly she needs a

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<v Speaker 1>brick anyway. One word under a picture of her boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>the Chalo May arriving at the basketball. She just wrote daddy,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Internet lost their mind.

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<v Speaker 2>So many likes, so many, and then it got so

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<v Speaker 2>buried by other people being like daddy, daddy, daddy, that

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's like, did you de lead her comment? And it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just comment number three, four hundred and one. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't find it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Chala May is not Kylie Jenner's daddy. That would be

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlin Jenna. But that's a whole other conversation. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>glad you clarified that second text. Katie Perry just a

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<v Speaker 1>woman in love. Right. She was on a live stream

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<v Speaker 1>interview with station Head. It's a social radio live streaming thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're about to play this grab. She sounds a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit tired, overwhelmed, love sick. But this is what

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<v Speaker 1>she said.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'm not gonna forget my Canadiens. He would need

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<v Speaker 4>to say that. I'm so Canada down. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 4>I love him so much. I can't stop looking at him.

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<v Speaker 4>Makes me so happy. Oh god, it makes me happy,

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<v Speaker 4>so happy, I can't even look at him. Stop it.

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<v Speaker 4>You got me giggling like a school girl. I'm like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>he is our true daddy, talking about the love of

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<v Speaker 4>my life. Of course, double Rainbow comes on.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh don't make me cry, so Katie Perry, and that

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<v Speaker 1>clip is talking about the former Prime Minister of Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>just In Trudeau, and she refers to him in case

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<v Speaker 1>she missed it, as her true daddy. I just know

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<v Speaker 1>she regrets that video.

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<v Speaker 2>She's gonna regret that whole thing. True Daddy, No, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Daddy is everywhere. There's the Internet Daddy, which we've discussed before,

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<v Speaker 1>personified by Pedro Pascal. Other men who wear that crown

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<v Speaker 1>are like Stanley Tucci, Addris Elba, David Harbor. Before the

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<v Speaker 1>whole Lily Allen thing really blew up, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a daddy before and also after really still after.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think he's back as Daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's the subversion of Daddy Call Her Daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the biggest podcasts in the World is hosted

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<v Speaker 1>by Alex Cooper, who is Daddy, and she is like,

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<v Speaker 1>here's your father figure talking now from where I sit.

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<v Speaker 1>Using daddy for anyone other than your father.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, even using it for your father.

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<v Speaker 1>Well and then only I think only under the age

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<v Speaker 1>of twelve. Yeah, right, Like was something that no one

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<v Speaker 1>admitted to publicly, like it was your own private business

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<v Speaker 1>in the bedroom. Look, it's got to be said that

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<v Speaker 1>some people consider this term, you know, part of a

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<v Speaker 1>whole mainstreaming of a fetishization of underage girl that is

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<v Speaker 1>really dangerous and unhealthy, no question, right, But it's suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere we look in a really mainstream culture way. But

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<v Speaker 1>what has happened, Emily Vernon, that we are now just

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<v Speaker 1>daddying all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's happened because so many women have been

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<v Speaker 3>burnt by men their own age.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're looking ahead, Wow, we're looking.

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<v Speaker 1>Does daddy have to be an older man?

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<v Speaker 3>It has to be an old like an older esque

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<v Speaker 3>man who embodies an infectionate, sexy, protective persona so Pedro

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<v Speaker 3>Pascal from the Last of Us daddy esque.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where you're your friend. Lily Allenstein was very these

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<v Speaker 1>are very stranger things. He was guiding a young girl

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<v Speaker 1>through it, but in a non sexual, non non.

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<v Speaker 2>But responsible, trustworthy, has your best interests at heart.

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<v Speaker 3>Henry Cavell in The Witcher was very protective. So these

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<v Speaker 3>are like daddy esque figures that us as women going,

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<v Speaker 3>look how he treats those young children who aren't his children.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's a very generous read of the daddy thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because that is not what Kylie Jenner is saying about

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<v Speaker 1>Timothy Shalloway. And like, the people who get the ick

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<v Speaker 1>about the daddy thing is because I think it used

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<v Speaker 1>to be seen as a kink, right Like, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mean to be really clear, we are talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this as like a cultural term right and now. And

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<v Speaker 1>the idea was, yes, protective, but also sexy. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>that mummy isn't used in the same way, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>a daddy, the whole mainstreaming of daddiness isn't just about

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<v Speaker 1>being protective and lovely, right, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's come from like you're definitely right, it

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<v Speaker 3>has come from the bedroom of like men wanting to

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<v Speaker 3>be called daddy. But I think that's because I want

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<v Speaker 3>to feel masculine and protective even though they might not be,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're just like missing that, and I think they

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<v Speaker 3>get a kick out of it. I don't know any

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<v Speaker 3>woman who like says it openly about her partner or

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<v Speaker 3>anyone like that. It's always in reference to like a

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<v Speaker 3>celebrity man. It's never too like my person, or like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh I think that guy is so hot, he's so daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>I never I never heard that.

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<v Speaker 3>I currently had it heard it for like celebrities who

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<v Speaker 3>are like kind of like untouchable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I and the thing is, I mean elephant

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<v Speaker 2>in the room. I think the reason that we all

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<v Speaker 2>feel funny about Kylie's comment is that Timothy shallow Mate

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<v Speaker 2>is not Daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's not.

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<v Speaker 2>She's she's she's actually encouraged.

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<v Speaker 1>She's starting a marketing campaign to Daddy fight him. That

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<v Speaker 1>is not right, and he's not there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I googled, I was like, oh, where did

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<v Speaker 2>this Timothy Shalla may daddy think? I googled it and

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<v Speaker 2>it came up with his father Mark. I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he's probably more Daddy than Timothy. And I'm like, Timothy, Mate,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen it like like you're too young, you're too immature.

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<v Speaker 2>I've you know, you're just really not at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I went on to TikTok and I saw

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<v Speaker 2>all these different descriptions of it and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>it's really different to like alpha, it's really different to

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<v Speaker 2>having like cocky energy any of that. It's about emotional

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<v Speaker 2>emotional safety. I quite I was like, okay, physical protection,

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<v Speaker 2>like feeling taken care of. But then I did go

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<v Speaker 2>down a rabbit hole of how it actually started, and

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot. I learned this in psychology, so you know

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<v Speaker 2>how there's the there's the Oedipus complex. Yes, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a theory about the Yeah, so Sigmund Freud said, had

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<v Speaker 2>this or that has no basis in science, and and

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<v Speaker 2>it gets a bit laughed at now that that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was boys in love with their mother. Then Carl

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<v Speaker 2>Jung had one called the Electra complex, which was like

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<v Speaker 2>daughters being in love with their fathers. And so it

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<v Speaker 2>started this thing. And then I remember that Sylvia Plath

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<v Speaker 2>some of her poetry was about daddy, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>like the parallel between the issues that she had with

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<v Speaker 2>her father and then the issues that she had with

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<v Speaker 2>her husband, which I think comes down to the whole

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<v Speaker 2>idea of daddy issues it comes from. And so my

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<v Speaker 2>question is is there a relationship between the term daddy

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<v Speaker 2>and somebody having daddy issues? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I think we put that on women who have like,

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<v Speaker 3>quote unquote daddy issues and we're like, that's her daddy. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>especially women who date older men, we say she's got

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<v Speaker 3>a daddy because like, she's dating older men.

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<v Speaker 1>Daddy's that's the whole thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But I remember, like specifically, when I stopped calling my

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<v Speaker 3>dad daddy because I always did as a kid, like

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<v Speaker 3>that was always my word for him.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I remember I was on the phone to him.

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<v Speaker 3>In high school and I was like fourteen and he

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<v Speaker 3>called and I was like, hi, daddy, And then my

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<v Speaker 3>friends just gave me this look like oh, you need

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<v Speaker 3>to stop this, And I was like, why do you

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<v Speaker 3>guys have to make it weird sad?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Because Okay, so there is something specific about growing up

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<v Speaker 1>people calling their father's daddy and their mummy's summy. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that is equal on both and both genders in

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<v Speaker 1>that way, right, King Charles Posh.

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<v Speaker 2>People do it in.

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<v Speaker 1>England, right, So the upper classes in England have always

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<v Speaker 1>done that. It's mama and Papa or it's mummy, and daddy,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think King Charles did it at the

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<v Speaker 1>Queen's one of the queen's big birthdays or something, didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He got on the mic and he just said mommy.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is about that is that it is

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<v Speaker 1>it was a marker of class. Mom, dad, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and their mad whatever was seen as lower class ways

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about your family, and so it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of got a credibility to be like mummy daddy to

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<v Speaker 1>carry on through. But one of the reasons why daddy

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<v Speaker 1>is it is because it has taken on this like

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<v Speaker 1>slightly sexual sugar daddy vibe, which is devastating really, like

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<v Speaker 1>that is not where it should go. But it is

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<v Speaker 1>also interesting that mummy doesn't have the same vibe. Like

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<v Speaker 1>when we're talking about iconic women on the internet, we

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<v Speaker 1>call them mother, right, So like you have like who's

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<v Speaker 1>always called mother, like Lady.

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<v Speaker 2>Gaga men, that's women calling them mommy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but it's also it's completely devoid, I think of

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of sexual energy. It's very much about like

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<v Speaker 1>a goddess goddess, yes, so, but it's not mummy like mother.

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<v Speaker 2>So my question is celebrities that are daddy, right, Because

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<v Speaker 2>as much as like it's a weird, problematic term. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we have an instinct for who is and who isn't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Pedro Pascal is clearly Tucci. How about man Affleck.

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<v Speaker 1>He is of course a father, but he's not daddy.

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<v Speaker 2>How about John Hamm?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, John ham No, I don't see it. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't see it for John Hamm.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>The interesting thing though, is that when we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this earlier and you said if they are a father,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't be branded daddy, which we bring John Hamm

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<v Speaker 1>in because he is not a father, so he could

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<v Speaker 1>be daddy. But he is also a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>hot mess. Everyone has seen him dancing off his chops

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<v Speaker 1>at bad Bunny silly. Bringing us to my friend Benito,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not daddy, he's puppy. Of course.

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<v Speaker 3>He actually did call Kendall Jenna when they were dating mummy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I know. It was very sexy, very beautiful, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, okay, but like Colin Firth for me, yeah, Colin,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like father, Okay, he is father, he is father. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>How about Adam Driver last one.

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<v Speaker 3>After the memoir, a bit before he lost his daddyfication.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah to me, definitely not out louders in a moment,

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<v Speaker 2>what is a reading gap relationship? And can you possibly

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<v Speaker 2>survive one?

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, out Louders, it's Mea Friedman here. I host the

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<v Speaker 5>Tuesday and Thursday episodes of out Loud for subscribers, and

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<v Speaker 5>in yesterday's episode, we spoke about the return of the

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<v Speaker 5>personal essay. It was huge at the beginning of women's

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<v Speaker 5>websites when Muma Mia was starting out and Holly m

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<v Speaker 5>and I, well all of us really, we have all

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<v Speaker 5>written some banging personal essays and some mortifying ones and

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<v Speaker 5>the problem is they're all still on the internet. We

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<v Speaker 5>talk about the ones we regret and the ones that

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<v Speaker 5>we feel really made a difference. Have a listen a

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<v Speaker 5>link in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 3>Beauty expert and host of Muma MEA's You Beauty podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>Lee Campbell has revealed exactly how often we should all

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<v Speaker 3>be washing our hair. And I am going to give

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<v Speaker 3>you a bit of a rage baby answer because she

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<v Speaker 3>says you should wash your hair however many times you want, but.

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<v Speaker 2>No wait into which I say, that is not it.

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<v Speaker 3>But she brings context to this because she says people

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<v Speaker 3>with thinner hair it gets oilier more quickly, which is

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<v Speaker 3>why people with thinner hair should be washing their hair

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<v Speaker 3>if you want your hair to keep looking fresh more often.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people wash it every day. Some people wash it

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<v Speaker 3>every two days. People with thicker hair because the oil

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<v Speaker 3>takes longer to get into your hair, little buds wash

0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:46.000
<v Speaker 3>their hair less regularly. So if you're like me, I

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<v Speaker 3>wash it once a week, once a week. If not

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<v Speaker 3>wash my I wash mine today.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks very voluminy.

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<v Speaker 3>I do like a wash, and then I do. I

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<v Speaker 3>can get three days out of it, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>do slick backslick back, slick back.

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<v Speaker 1>This is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't do a slick back.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how many times do you wash your hair?

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<v Speaker 2>I have to wash it every day.

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<v Speaker 1>You wash it every day.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the thin I believe what my hairdresser says is

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<v Speaker 2>I have fine hair, but a lot of it and

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<v Speaker 2>so it. But the fineness means that if I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>washed it in a day, I'm like, everyone knows. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's not it's not nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, how about you, Holly, Because I thought we had.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of the same texture twice a week, two or

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<v Speaker 1>three times a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they say, with curly hair, you shouldn't wash it's

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<v Speaker 2>that's good. You should be washing it less because it

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<v Speaker 2>keeps the curls.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to wash it every other day religiously. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that's just what you had to do. But actually,

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<v Speaker 1>as I've gotten older and more like, fuck the rules, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I live my own life. I have discovered that my

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<v Speaker 1>hair is often best on day three, like because it's

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<v Speaker 1>very frizzy my hair if it's not anyway. But what's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to me is doesn't it depend what you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>with your head? Because also if you exercise a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, sweaty head, I have to wash my hair,

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<v Speaker 1>like if I'm on the spin bike or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do it. I mean, let's pretend that that happens all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. But when I'm in an exercise jag and

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<v Speaker 1>I do that, or you go swimming or whatever like,

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<v Speaker 1>then you have to wash your hair more often. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes if I'm like, because you know how I feel

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<v Speaker 3>about showering, that's true, you're not a shower. Sometimes if

0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:29.879
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, like working out and it's not like my

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<v Speaker 3>shower day, I'll just wet my hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this was gonna be my question. So there was

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<v Speaker 2>a viral TikTok that I saw about a month ago.

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<v Speaker 2>That was this girl being like so she said to

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<v Speaker 2>her friend. She's like, I'm gonna have a shower. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not washing my hair, and her friend's like, cool, go

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<v Speaker 2>for it. She goes in shower, she comes back out

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<v Speaker 2>with wet hair, and her friend's like, why is your

0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.960
<v Speaker 2>hair wet? And I thought you weren't washing your hair

0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.040
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, I didn't, and she's like, well, then

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<v Speaker 2>why is your hair wet?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's washing it.

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<v Speaker 2>I wet it in between in between washes. And her

0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 2>friend was like, no, no, this is not a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And it turned into this whole debate on TikTok because

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<v Speaker 2>I would never really, you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>So every day you're properly washing your hair, not just

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<v Speaker 1>wetting it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think it's something about blondness.

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<v Speaker 1>This must be.

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<v Speaker 2>It must be.

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<v Speaker 1>It must be some deep psychological childhood. But I, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got lots of hair, long hair, but you do too,

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<v Speaker 1>like washing hair is a mission, right, so sometimes like

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<v Speaker 1>a armed hair, like you don't need to do wait

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<v Speaker 1>to the day you wash your hair. I don't want

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 1>to wash my hair and so therefore there is no

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<v Speaker 1>way I'm getting it wet in the shower. Although as

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<v Speaker 1>much discussed on this podcast before. I don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>shower cap. I just keep my fricking heads out of

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<v Speaker 1>the shower.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the reasons my posture is so bad, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm like, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well is showering, But if I was going to wear it,

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<v Speaker 1>i'd wash it. Why would I just wet it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just going to turn it into you just need

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<v Speaker 3>to wet it, just to wet it, and you can't

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<v Speaker 3>do a full wash.

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<v Speaker 1>Is blown. I know this is not one of the

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<v Speaker 1>important issues of the day friends.

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<v Speaker 2>But and then something else has blown my mind recently,

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<v Speaker 2>so having a Jesse and I had a conversation the

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<v Speaker 2>other day where we're like, okay with our toddlers who

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<v Speaker 2>were like two and a half three, we wash their

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<v Speaker 2>hair with soap like cant like like baby soap. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and they got full hairded hair, and we're like, a

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<v Speaker 2>what age do you do shampoo and conditioner? And then

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<v Speaker 2>we're like, I don't know if shampoo and conditioner makes

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<v Speaker 2>a difference. I don't know if it actually does anything.

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<v Speaker 1>This is radical. She's burned it all down the champoo industry.

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<v Speaker 3>We've taken it too far. You're probably keeping the shampoo

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<v Speaker 3>industry alive. With your washing hair every.

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<v Speaker 1>Single day, I actually am condition You can't not if

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 1>you've got long hair, conditioners everything.

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:52.159
<v Speaker 5>It becomes like.

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<v Speaker 3>I do have a really good hack that I learned

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<v Speaker 3>from someone who works She works at one of those

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:03.400
<v Speaker 3>like stores that sells rye shampoo. If you dry shampoo

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<v Speaker 3>your hair after you wash it, not when it gets oily,

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:11.120
<v Speaker 3>it actually makes your hair last way longer.

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<v Speaker 1>You could get like three to four days out of

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<v Speaker 1>that baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Rits go white. I think because I don't shake this.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't just raw dog dry shampoo.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my problem.

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 3>You shake the bottle, you spray it, you leave it

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:29.920
<v Speaker 3>for a bit, and then you rub it.

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<v Speaker 2>In that I'm missing that step, despairing of a shell.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why baby shampoo has invented to make people

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<v Speaker 1>feel comfortable about the bridge between soap and proper shampoo. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's nonsince I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. An article published on Dazed last week was called

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<v Speaker 2>help my boyfriend doesn't read And these are the things

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I click on. It told the story of April, who

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<v Speaker 2>a year ago broke up with her partner of four years,

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<v Speaker 2>a man who rarely read. She was in a reading

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<v Speaker 2>gap relationship, and she said, I remember feeling really lonely

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<v Speaker 2>at times because I would be excited by something I

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 2>was reading and I was just never able to have

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:14.120
<v Speaker 2>conversations about it with him. Now, apparently for women who

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 2>date men, this is really common. Women make up about

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<v Speaker 2>eighty percent of the book buying market, and this gender

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<v Speaker 2>gap in reading is particularly pronounced when it comes to fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>It's women who are reading fiction and the rates of

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<v Speaker 2>men reading fiction is really declining. In a recent survey,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four percent of people say they wouldn't date someone

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 2>who's reading habits don't match their own.

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<v Speaker 1>That's tricky because I know a lot of women who

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<v Speaker 1>might read two or three books a year because they

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 1>like books, but their lives are really busy, so a

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>book for them is a holiday. Like, that's what a

0:26:57.080 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 1>holiday is, when you will get to read a book. Now,

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 1>are those people readers or not readers? And do they

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>like they can they only date people who also read

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<v Speaker 1>three books a year?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, like it's very I find it a really.

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>A no shade. By the way, on the three book.

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>If you're squeezing that in and you've got to be

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>the life, you're doing very well.

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I know, I find it really interesting that people. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>as April says in this article, she now considers it

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<v Speaker 2>a red flag if somebody if a guy that she's

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 2>seeing doesn't read, that's.

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 3>So it's just like doesn't read in general, not like

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<v Speaker 3>reading up to her standard of reading.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just like doesn't read in general. And she

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:35.959
<v Speaker 2>don't worry. Guy, she's got a new partner. He has

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 2>a library in his bedroom, So don't stress. April's fine.

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I would find that very attractive in the bedrooms unless

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>they were really boring.

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, anyway, actually true. Obviously for April it was about dating.

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.399
<v Speaker 2>But I think a lot of us can find in

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 2>our lives that with the men that were around, whether

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:04.919
<v Speaker 2>it is our literal dads or our male friends or

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:08.639
<v Speaker 2>our brothers, that we wish we could be speaking the

0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 2>same language book wise, that we could have conversations about

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 2>what we're reading. And it is something that women find

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 2>really appealing in men, and I think it can be

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a source of connection. But another thing

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 2>that we came across this week was a relationship an

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 2>attraction group. Date Psychology surveyed eight hundred and forty men

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 2>and women on the attractiveness of male pastimes, and they

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<v Speaker 2>found that the most attractive hobby to women that men

0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>could do Number one was reading. I love this, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Two it was foreign languages, number three, playing an instrument,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the least attractive were man a sphere. How

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:01.560
<v Speaker 2>is that a hobby?

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 4>Just for it?

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Existing hobby the gambling pawn and my personal favorite, arguing

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>on so good.

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 1>That is some men's hobby that genuinely is some women's hobby.

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Actually actually I'm like, yeah, I mean.

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Equal opportunity arguing online. They clock in and.

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 2>It's a really important pastime. So my question is, Holly,

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<v Speaker 2>could you is it something is a relationship deal breaker

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>for you? If Brent didn't read? Firstly, does Brent read?

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>He does because he writes, He does read, but he

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't read loads. So I read. You know, life gets

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>busy and you don't get to read as much as

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 1>you'd like. Like, my fantasy is that one day when

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't work anymore, I'm going to read all the books.

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>That is my dream, because these days I read in bed.

0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Now that I've finally got a bath, I read in

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 1>the bath. Fancy I read on the train. But like

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you've got to fit it in around your life, right,

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>And I've always read, so I've always, all my life

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>had a book on the go, and not everybody does.

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>And Brent doesn't always have a book on the go,

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>but he reads a bit. And this is his His

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 1>reading habit is very common of men I know, which

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>is that he is more likely to read nonfiction than me.

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Not not always, but at the minute, for example, he's reading, Oh,

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>he's reading Jane Carrow's lady's book about public education, right,

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 1>because Brent is a big well we're a big public

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 1>education people, and he's involved in local school whatever. And

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 1>his annoying, his annoying habit is that he's in bed

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>reading that and I'm engrossed in my novel because I

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>only read novels and memoirs. And he'll be like, he

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>has to read it out, not like read it to

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 1>me like a story book. No, but oh my god,

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 1>did you know blah blah blah blah blah, Oh my god,

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 1>did you I'm like, you don't have to perform the book, baby,

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 1>It's okay. I know you're reading. It's all going in.

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 1>That's okay. But that's a very typical man thing. I

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>think in lots of ways to sir type, but he

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 1>does read, but we don't necessarily read the same things,

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>and I wondered if that was a reading gap.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm confused about April's dilemma because her whole thing was

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 3>she reads, her boyfriend doesn't read, so it makes it

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 3>hard to have conversations about the books that she's reading.

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Whereas I've dated men in the past who don't read,

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 3>and I've read a book and I'm just like yapping

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 3>at them. Yeah, And I found that quite fine as

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 3>long as they're listening.

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>And it's quite nice if you know they're never going

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 2>to read it. Yeah, Like I can just tell you

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 2>the whole plot and it ain't a spoiler because you

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 2>are never ever, ever going to read that.

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 3>And I think you can still have conversations about books

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 3>that not everyone has read. So many times I've been

0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 3>to drinks or dinner with my friends and I've been

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 3>talking about a book I've read that they're not reading,

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 3>and we just discussed like the plot points of the

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 3>book and the context of the book.

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Top tip they're board.

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I do have to go bring that up.

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>It is I as a book person who loves to

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 1>talk about books. It's not exciting to talk about books

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>you haven't read, do you.

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Know what I mean? So?

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Do you think he was just bored and relationship? But Claire,

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 1>what do you think? You're a book worm?

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>So I do think there's something here, something April was

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 2>picking up on in her male partner and a lot

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 2>of men not reading fiction. I find that to be

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 2>I think through reading fiction, you develop a level of empathy,

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 2>the skill of being able to see things through someone else's.

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Perspective that you're curious. It's why we're obsessed about trying

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 1>to get children to read. And it's a harder and

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 1>harder thing to do, but it's that walking in someone

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>else's shoes.

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I feel like my mind has been changed

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>so much by fiction, so many times where I might

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 2>have had a certain view of something and then I've

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 2>read a book seen it through a completely different lens

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 2>and being like, oh that is just that is invaluable.

0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 2>How that's changed my perspective. And I think it can

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 2>be frustrating sometimes in your relationships with men, where you

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 2>feel like saying, I really want you to read this

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 2>book because it would really, really really challenge you, and

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 2>you know they're not going to because they almost can

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>look down on fiction a little bit. My partner's the

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:29.719
<v Speaker 2>same as Brent Holly, so very into nonfiction and really

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 2>he just reads freaking like the biography slash memoir of

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 2>the Nike guy. Yeah, and he will sit there and

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 2>just read out it to you facts and I'm like,

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 2>that's great. I'm deep. I'm on page one hundred and

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 2>eighty six. This of this there was a great twist,

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 2>but I can't explain.

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.360
<v Speaker 1>It to you. Or also, you're on an island or

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:53.959
<v Speaker 1>in some other world, or walking through a market in India,

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>or you're in a whatever. In your mind, that's where

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:58.239
<v Speaker 1>you are because you're reading a book about it, and

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>you're like, I can't be dealing with the laws of business, right.

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 2>No, No, I don't. I don't care, but it is

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 2>I do think maybe it is simply a difference in preference.

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.919
<v Speaker 2>There's interesting whenever you see lists of like what men

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:15.720
<v Speaker 2>read versus what women read, men read books about money.

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:18.879
<v Speaker 1>So to back that up, right there, it isn't true

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>that men don't read fiction, but they're more likely to

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 1>read crime fiction. Interestingly, right. Top ten books from that

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 1>women bought in Australia last year. Number one recipe. He

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 1>needs no surprise because of course nage go Number two

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Onyx Storm, Oh yeah that sounds yeahs number three The

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Impossible Fortune by Richard Osmond, so Crime but Cozy Crime,

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:43.839
<v Speaker 1>The Unquiet Grave by Devil mcton and Crime Here One

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Moment by Leanne Moriarty Crime not ish but genius, great, big,

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>beautiful life. We did that for the book Club by

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Emily Henry. Let them Ah nonfiction Sally Rooney into Metso

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Bake with Brockie, who is Nagi's nemesis. I'm sure she isn't.

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Jokes jokes, jokes and fearless, which is a ya. Now,

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 1>this is really interesting if this is to be believed,

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 1>that the top ten list of books brought by men

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 1>in Australia last year, number one was last one out

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 1>by Jane Harper. Jane Harper is leave to be a

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 1>writer who has neutralized the gender gap, which is really

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>interesting because a lot of those, with the exception of

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Richard Osmon, a lot of the books that were top

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>ten by women were written by women, and a lot

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>of the books in the top ten men were written

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 1>by men, which is kind of depressing.

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Right to your.

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Point about opening your eyes walking in other people's shoes.

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Da da Da da da. It's kind of depressing that

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:44.120
<v Speaker 1>that's the case. But Jane Harper has neutralized the gender gap,

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>and so is Richard Osmond. Actually he has more women

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>than men. But still but number two bears out our

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>theory Atomic Habits by James Clear, which has been out

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 1>for this.

0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 2>And this is the thing why the gender binery isn't

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 2>it is? You know there are many contradictions to it.

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Because I have read and loved Atomic Habits. I will

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 2>never stop talking.

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Right now. You and Jessie are like spokesperson. Then there's

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Matthew Riley, the detective. So those are those really pacy

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 1>crime ones Exit Strategy by Lee Child's saying vibe the

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Barefoot Investor.

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I believe that's been in the top ten for.

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Two hundred and fifty years.

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 3>The amount of times I've talked about Barefoot Investor on

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:24.720
<v Speaker 3>my dates.

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Actually, I've read the book The Psychology of Money by

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Morgan Hasel, The Valley by Chris Hammer. That's crime Gravity

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Let Me Go by Trent Dalton. I'm very happy to

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:35.840
<v Speaker 1>see that in their very positive male role model in

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 1>that book. Well he's crazy, but you know he really

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>cares about his family. Then there's an essay book about

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 1>post American future, a Quarterly Yes.

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes. I also read the Quarterly Yes.

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:49.959
<v Speaker 1>That's huge and Clowntown by Mick Heron, who's the slow

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 1>Horses guy. So there is a lot. The fiction that

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>is in there is what you might imagine, like the

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 1>lists do play to those stereotypes, and so it's that idea.

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 1>I guess, yes, why people find men reading really attractive.

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 1>But I think that if books are really high upon

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 1>your values list, then isn't that also going to be

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:11.920
<v Speaker 1>true of friendships and lots of other.

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:14.839
<v Speaker 3>Relationship I agree, especially when it comes to like we've

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 3>talked about how women, especially in when they're older, want

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.479
<v Speaker 3>to make more friends and things like that, and book

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 3>clubs is now the big thing right now, everyone's having

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 3>a book club. And the best thing about book clubs

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:31.400
<v Speaker 3>is that you're reading a really fun cozy novel or

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 3>a romanticy novel and you can all giggle about it

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 3>and talk about it and talk about the themes about it.

0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 3>I find if I were to go and I do

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 3>love memoirs, but if I were to go to a

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.760
<v Speaker 3>book club where every time the book is non fiction

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 3>or a memoir, it will be really fun and exciting,

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 3>I feel like the first few books, but then you

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 3>feel like just really it feels like work. It feels

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 3>really hard. And I think when it comes to reading,

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 3>a lot of women want to read books because they

0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.799
<v Speaker 3>want that escapism and they want to have that like

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.440
<v Speaker 3>no that's so far fetched from their life that they

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:04.760
<v Speaker 3>can just deal with, like a little mystery on an island.

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 3>And every time we read nonfiction, it feels like we're

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 3>doing it for a purpose, to make our lives better.

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes you don't want that. Sometimes you just want

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 2>to escape. I blame Dual Leaper for the high standards

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 2>of expecting your romantic partner to read what you read. Now,

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 2>I will say that it is lovely. I remember Rory

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and I went on a holiday once and I was

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.880
<v Speaker 2>reading a Caroline Overrington novel and then I passed it

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 2>to him and he read it, and it just it

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:36.360
<v Speaker 2>was the theme of our holiday was just assessing this book.

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:40.960
<v Speaker 2>And there is nothing like it, but frickin' Dua. Leeper

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 2>met her actor fiance Callum Turner because they sat next

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:48.280
<v Speaker 2>to each other and realized they were reading the same book,

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 2>and it was it's called Trust by hern And Diaz,

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 2>and they had both just finished the first chapter and

0:38:56.640 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 2>then she looked at him and said, oh, yeah, yeah,

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 2>I just I just finished the first chapter two and

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:05.319
<v Speaker 2>he said, so we're on the same page. I don't

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 2>believe that, And it's like, cool.

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:08.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe that because I've heard it before, and

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I like, I'm very impressed by it. But I kind

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:14.200
<v Speaker 1>of feel like one of those two was fibbing about

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the situation.

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 3>I thought they were both fibbing because they're both just

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 3>two hot people.

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Like hot people talk to hot people.

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 2>It's okay, you can have just liked each other. They

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 2>probably saw like.

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 1>A girl in the corner reading the book. But this

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:29.759
<v Speaker 1>is what straight women need. They need to and like

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>push the expectation of reading on men as a manly activity.

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 2>And Jacob Alordie has been has been great for this

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:43.320
<v Speaker 2>as well, often photographed in bookstores or walking around holding books.

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 2>He's been photographed holding Primer Facie by Susie Miller. I've

0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 2>also read that he says he's read Uh Secret History

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.879
<v Speaker 2>by Donna Tat have also read that I'm like, you're him.

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 2>We'd have lots stock about Paul mescal was once candidly

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 2>photographed reading alone in a bar.

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 1>That's so, we've talked about this before. Yeah, follows an

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Instagram account of hot men reading. But I worry it's

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:12.120
<v Speaker 1>becoming performative. Yeah, I think the poor mescal was a

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 1>bit performative. I'm not gonna lie.

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Even if it is. Maybe they'll get bored and read

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 2>a page and that's lovely.

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Little steps, little steps after.

0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:27.239
<v Speaker 2>The break, a book, a movie, and a TV show.

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<v Speaker 2>Our recommendations for your weekend.

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun.

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:40.040
<v Speaker 2>This is my best recommendation. It's Friday, so we want

0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 2>to help set up your weekend with our best recommendations.

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna straight up go first. Oh yeah, I'm

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 2>going to dominate you stand your grand girl? Yeah yeah, yeah,

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I will. Okay, My reco is a memoir. I'm gonna

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 2>call it memoir. Is it too Early to Bitch? By

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Grace Rubray?

0:40:58.239 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh it's very good.

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Now. Great is a Mummia executive producer and host. You

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 2>might have heard her on the Spill and on the Quickie.

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Her voice will be very.

0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Familiar to Grace has a gorgeous voice.

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh, she's a trained voice actor. So if you wonder

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:16.960
<v Speaker 2>why her voice is so beautiful, that's one of the reasons.

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 2>She's a former actor producer, and she wrote and starred

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 2>in a series called six hundred Bottles of Wine that

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:25.359
<v Speaker 2>was on Channel ten.

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 3>Like she's just like in so many amazing Australian TV

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:31.839
<v Speaker 3>shows that you see her in the background, Like she's

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 3>been in an episode of Colin from Account and she's

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 3>been in Heartbreak High.

0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:38.560
<v Speaker 1>She's so talented, she's real talented.

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 2>And then she's just nice.

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:46.760
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sorry nice anyway, even if we didn't know her.

0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I would be recommending this. So her memoir is about

0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 2>her friendship and it's it's like a love story with

0:41:54.880 --> 0:42:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Katie Lee's. So it starts with they connect by bitching

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 2>about someone who's in their acting class, and what follows

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 2>is a thirteen year friendship that becomes the central, most

0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 2>important relationship of their lives. There there's beautiful, beautiful scenes

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 2>where they are traveling in Europe together and it's just

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 2>anybody who's had one of those formative friendships where you

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 2>feel like you have found your person. It just really

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 2>strikes a chord. Then Katie dies suddenly and tragically, so

0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Katie was. You may have heard Katie's name or you

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 2>may know her story. So Katie was the healthy, thirty

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:42.760
<v Speaker 2>four year old living in redfen who died in August

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one after receiving the astrosenica vaccination. There is

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.919
<v Speaker 2>nothing political in that statement. It's just a fact, and

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Grace so expertly navigates the complexity of that when your

0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:03.320
<v Speaker 2>politics go against your personal lived experience, or when people

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.040
<v Speaker 2>assume that because of your lived experience, you will have

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:09.799
<v Speaker 2>a certain set of politics, and when you know that

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 2>something is so rare and so tragic, but the fact

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 2>is that it happened to your best friend, and she

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:23.000
<v Speaker 2>writes about Some of my favorite chapters are where Grace

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 2>writes about getting her vaccination and having a panic attack.

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.959
<v Speaker 2>She ends up having her baby daughter in the same

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:34.839
<v Speaker 2>hospital where she lost her best friend, and it is

0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 2>just brilliant. You will laugh at you will laugh and

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 2>smile at all the iterations of their friendship or like

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:51.880
<v Speaker 2>it just everybody's got a friend like Katie, and the

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:55.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of secret language and how they support each other

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:59.840
<v Speaker 2>through breakups and moving to different parts of Sydney and

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:06.799
<v Speaker 2>South Wales, and then obviously there is a lot to

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 2>grieve in it as well, So I sobbed and I

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:12.879
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't believe how Grace was able to put this

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 2>into beautiful, beautiful words. I recommend it to everyone. I

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 2>just think it's such an important story like that, especially

0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 2>with everything that we hear about people who are cynical

0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and skeptical about vaccination. I think this is such a complex,

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 2>nuanced story told full of heart, and nobody could have

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.760
<v Speaker 2>told it like Grace has. So I could not recommend

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:43.399
<v Speaker 2>it highly enough.

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely brilliant. I'm interviewing Grace for no filter. Yes,

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 1>so you will hear that story in more depth to

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 1>if you want to. But yeah, the book is gorgeous.

0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh so it's called is it too Early to Bitch?

0:44:56.360 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 3>I am recommending a movie, another fam action pack movie

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:01.839
<v Speaker 3>that I.

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:03.759
<v Speaker 1>Think rivals The Sheep Detectives.

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you go to the movie so much. I'm so jealous.

0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:11.600
<v Speaker 3>This one is so good. My sister convinced me to

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:15.960
<v Speaker 3>watch it. It is called The Mandalorian and grogu Is it

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:16.800
<v Speaker 3>really good?

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Listen Brett went to see this on Sunday. But

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.160
<v Speaker 1>he's a Star Wars person, Okay, so he liked it.

0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 3>So I'm glad he liked it because I am not

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 3>a Star Wars person to the point where this is

0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:29.560
<v Speaker 3>the first ever Star Wars thing I've ever watched.

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:31.280
<v Speaker 2>You understood what was happening.

0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, every every Star Wars person was like, don't watch it,

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 3>you won't understand it.

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 2>I understood everything. It is so good.

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen the original one.

0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:43.080
<v Speaker 2>I've tried and I couldn't.

0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:46.799
<v Speaker 3>No, Holy I've never seen Star Wars. But so this

0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 3>movie has come off the back of the TV show

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.440
<v Speaker 3>The Mandalorian. So now I'm going back to watch the

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 3>TV show because it stars Pedro Pascal as the Mandalorian

0:45:56.560 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 3>and his sidekick Grogu, which is played by an animatronic robot.

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 3>We're not doing cg I now we've gone back. He

0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 3>is okay, So Grogu is Baby Yoda.

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I know Baby.

0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 2>I do love Baby.

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:10.839
<v Speaker 1>My kids were obsessed with.

0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:15.439
<v Speaker 3>I nearly cried every time he came on screen. He's

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 3>so sweet and beauty.

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 1>This is really bolstering the daddy, really bolstering the daddy.

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Now he's looking after baby Yoda exactly. That's he just

0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:28.440
<v Speaker 1>plays the same character across all Johns. But you're right though,

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 1>that robots are back because the hell Mary project that

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:35.040
<v Speaker 1>alien was a robot, not not CGI.

0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 2>And that little Rocky was really cute. I was like,

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:43.480
<v Speaker 2>he reminds me of my dog and my baby.

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:47.720
<v Speaker 1>I just loved controversial opinion, bring back robots.

0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:48.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately that's what's happening because while he's doing his own

0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:56.800
<v Speaker 3>little press tour, Baby Grogu's going to all the press

0:46:56.800 --> 0:47:01.120
<v Speaker 3>conferences and they're interviewing him anyway, Cadalorian Grogu.

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:02.320
<v Speaker 2>So this has happened.

0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:04.799
<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't understand Star Wars law, so I kind

0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:06.480
<v Speaker 3>of had to get Wikipedia to help me because I

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:07.279
<v Speaker 3>wasn't following the plot.

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I was just looking at baby Yoda.

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:08.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:12.799
<v Speaker 3>But the Mandalorian so Pedro Pascal plays the Mandalorian who's

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:15.920
<v Speaker 3>hired as a bounty hunter to go and find and

0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:19.879
<v Speaker 3>track down the Imperial Overlaw to Jesus Christ, to track

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 3>down the Imperial Overlord who managed to escape when the

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:24.160
<v Speaker 3>empire fell.

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, so Star Wars think like what empire? Yeah,

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 2>what empire? What Lord?

0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:33.279
<v Speaker 1>There are Star Wars people listening to this right now

0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:34.480
<v Speaker 1>who are just horrified.

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 3>No, I'm I'm so sorry. I just had a really

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:39.759
<v Speaker 3>good time. It's very actionally, very fun. You don't even

0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:41.800
<v Speaker 3>see Pedro Pascal. You see him for the twenty second

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:43.799
<v Speaker 3>and I ask, does he take his helmet off?

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 2>You see it?

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:47.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the helmet comes off for twenty seconds, and then

0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:48.279
<v Speaker 3>I in the cinema went.

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:53.759
<v Speaker 2>No one else joined in. You're like, it was a

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:56.440
<v Speaker 2>very inappropriate woo. I was told later on.

0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 1>All of all of the serious Star Wars people are

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:00.680
<v Speaker 1>just like, she's.

0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:03.399
<v Speaker 3>Totally here for the Pedro and they were wooing at

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 3>people I didn't even know, so you know what they

0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:06.759
<v Speaker 3>were like.

0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:09.440
<v Speaker 1>There was little bit characters from the Empire popping up

0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 1>and they were like, that's that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. No, it was a really really good time.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'm now going to get into all the

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<v Speaker 3>Star Wars in like seventies, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to see the first one of the movies

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<v Speaker 1>when I was about seven night.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, it's really boring.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not it's got hand. You can't.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, he's, yeah, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, that's a treat for you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a really good movie. So if you're not into

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<v Speaker 3>Star Wars, you'll like this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, try and believe you, I am recommending something that's

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<v Speaker 1>on iView because you know there are too many streaming services.

0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Agree this one is free and I we my family

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 1>very much enjoy Guy Monk's Spelling Bee. That is our obsession,

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and Aaron Chance not on it anymore now it's because

0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:00.440
<v Speaker 1>he's too good for the guy anyway. So we watched that,

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 1>but when we run out of those, we were like,

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:05.719
<v Speaker 1>what else can we watch on here? And Brent and

0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I have started watching Ursula, which is the new Ish

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:13.279
<v Speaker 1>stand up slash sketch show from Azula Carlson, who is

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<v Speaker 1>a brilliant stand up comedian. She's like originally from South

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Africa but lives in New Zealand but is big in Australia,

0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:21.400
<v Speaker 1>and she's so she's kind of like all the things.

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<v Speaker 1>She is so funny. Now I'm gonna admit that when

0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 1>we first started watching this season, it's got this interesting

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:32.600
<v Speaker 1>setup where it's like half stand up half sketch. So

0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 1>every episode she comes out and she's like in a

0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:38.200
<v Speaker 1>stand up theater and she sets something up that then

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:40.720
<v Speaker 1>plays the sketch on the big screen. Now, at first

0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I am not gonna like this. This

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:46.359
<v Speaker 1>is gonna be a little bit cringe. Sketch comedy can

0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:49.759
<v Speaker 1>be a little bit cringe, right, And I did like

0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:51.919
<v Speaker 1>the hybrid. It is so good.

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:54.160
<v Speaker 2>It sketches are amazing.

0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:56.879
<v Speaker 1>Is it kind of like SNL? No, it's like so

0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:59.359
<v Speaker 1>she she's kind of doing a few stand up bits

0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:01.560
<v Speaker 1>that obviously can to the sketch you're going to show,

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:03.640
<v Speaker 1>and then it throws to the sketch and they're properly

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:07.560
<v Speaker 1>fully produced sketches, you know, on location. She has some

0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:11.799
<v Speaker 1>recurring characters, so like the sort of home for the

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:16.440
<v Speaker 1>recovering Karens, which I can see that some midlife women

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:19.680
<v Speaker 1>will find quite offensive, but personally I find hilarious.

0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 2>The humor is actually really clever. It is It's really

0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:25.879
<v Speaker 2>it's really clever. There's there's another layer to it than

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:26.480
<v Speaker 2>what you expect.

0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Is so at first I was thinking because and this

0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:31.440
<v Speaker 1>is about internalized ages, and I think that some of this,

0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 1>quite a few of the gags in this series are

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:37.239
<v Speaker 1>about midlife women. It's there's a there's a detective called

0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:40.319
<v Speaker 1>menopause Cop, and there's the Karens thing, and there's and

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:42.680
<v Speaker 1>sometimes there's a mid love woman be like, oh, that's

0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:44.759
<v Speaker 1>going to be really cringey. But it is not she

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:48.200
<v Speaker 1>It is so good, it's so funny, it's so smart,

0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 1>very relatable, but just clever, clever, laugh out loud, both

0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:55.919
<v Speaker 1>Brent and I just absolutely pissing out. So I love

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.600
<v Speaker 1>it now it's become my new treat. Watch. It's also

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:02.440
<v Speaker 1>got like Julia Morris is on it, Sampang is on.

0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I love Sampang. He's my celebrity.

0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Seem Hussein is on it, Melanie Braithwait is on it,

0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:09.839
<v Speaker 1>bron Lewis.

0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:15.000
<v Speaker 2>There are a bunch of comedians if you, for example,

0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:19.120
<v Speaker 2>if you've seen any Sydney Comedy Festival, Melbourne Comedy Festival,

0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:22.200
<v Speaker 2>if you've gone to anything and seen a comedian and

0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:24.719
<v Speaker 2>been like, bloody hell, they're amazing. I never see them

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:26.680
<v Speaker 2>pop up anyway, they will pop up on the show

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:31.319
<v Speaker 2>and oh gosh, I watched it with my mum and

0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:34.239
<v Speaker 2>we just cracked up for a really.

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<v Speaker 1>Long Yeah, it's a really good show. And so if

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:38.799
<v Speaker 1>you want to laugh, that is my recommendation. Is the

0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:41.440
<v Speaker 1>amazing Ursula. It's on ABC. I view I think the

0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:44.560
<v Speaker 1>whole seasons there and yeah, it's bloody great.

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<v Speaker 2>Cannot wait. That is all we.

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<v Speaker 1>Have time for out louders don't forget that. On Saturday mornings,

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0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:00.920
<v Speaker 1>what I'm putting together. We'll do that this afternoon.

0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to file a complaint because I was scrolling

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<v Speaker 2>through substack yesterday and I saw gardening contact be sent

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 2>to I thought, Holly, come on now.

0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Last week I snuck in five things I adored this week,

0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and one of them was a seed snail. I will

0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:19.759
<v Speaker 1>not tell you what a seed sail is, but if

0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:21.680
<v Speaker 1>you want to go and find out sounds gross, it's

0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:23.560
<v Speaker 1>tim you can sign up for a substack. There was

0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 1>also some music, a TV show which you could all

0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:29.120
<v Speaker 1>guess what that was, and an episode we did Me

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:32.080
<v Speaker 1>and You and MEA and so anyway, there's always a

0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 1>treat in your in box on Saturday mornings and maybe

0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:35.360
<v Speaker 1>a couple of other times in the week if you

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<v Speaker 1>sign up for the news letters. So we'll put a

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<v Speaker 1>link in the show notes. That is all we have

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<v Speaker 1>time for. Thank you to our incredible team for helping

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<v Speaker 1>us through another week, and we'll be back in your

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<v Speaker 1>ears on Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye Bye MoMA Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the

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