Speaker 1: Hello and welcome. It's Mom and Mia out loud. What
Speaker 1: women are actually talking about today? It's Friday, the twenty
Speaker 1: ninth of May. You have to look down to check
Speaker 1: the day I did, because I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: it's so boring. I'm just like, but how is it
Speaker 1: the twenty ninth of day? I'm sorry to be boring.
Speaker 2: I'm a Holly Waynwright, I'm Claire Stephens.
Speaker 1: And I'm m Burnham. And here's what made our agenda
Speaker 1: for today. It's what Katy Perry calls Justin Trudeau. It's
Speaker 1: what Kylie calls Timothy, and what the Internet calls Pedro
Speaker 1: Pascal and what the world's most successful female podcaster calls herself.
Speaker 1: So what's with all the daddy I have answers?
Speaker 2: Don't worry, worry.
Speaker 3: Plus, we finally have an answer to the age old
Speaker 3: question of how often do you wash your hair?
Speaker 2: This is very important business and the perils of a
Speaker 2: reading gap relationship. What does it mean if your partner
Speaker 2: doesn't read and you survive it?
Speaker 1: But first, ed Vernon, do you guys.
Speaker 3: Remember when I attempted to raw dog boredom?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: Well. It was this trend where the young people were
Speaker 1: filming themselves doing nothing except looking at a clock, and
Speaker 1: I was like, that's silly, and you were like, I
Speaker 1: tried it.
Speaker 2: I tried it.
Speaker 3: I stared at a wall for ten minutes and I
Speaker 3: had a clock in front of me.
Speaker 1: We actually filmed it because I did it on company time.
Speaker 1: I do nothing for it.
Speaker 2: I did it in a little meeting room.
Speaker 3: It was very difficult, but I think that's what started
Speaker 3: my obsession with analog hobbies, because then we talked about
Speaker 3: my analog bag, which is another TikTok trend where women
Speaker 3: just made a big tote bag full of analog activities,
Speaker 3: like coloring in maybe like taking photos on a film camera,
Speaker 3: just kind of doing journaling stuff that doesn't require any
Speaker 3: digital device.
Speaker 2: I don't know when my an so I take it.
Speaker 2: It's not going that well.
Speaker 3: It's not going too well. I feel like I stuck
Speaker 3: with it for a few months.
Speaker 1: I want to know about this. I want to discuss this.
Speaker 1: Our relationship with boredom. I saw this meme this week
Speaker 1: that was like we've normalized over Consumptionorry very worthy, very
Speaker 1: worthy podcasts while walking, Doom, scrolling on the toilet, Netflix
Speaker 1: while eating something is always filling the silence. We're becoming
Speaker 1: scared of our own thoughts. Our minds have no breathing space.
Speaker 1: We feel groggy and mentally exhausted. I'm like, you don't
Speaker 1: know my life, and then I'm like, oh, yeah, of
Speaker 1: course we are. Our brains never get a break. Boredom
Speaker 1: is the cure. And this message is very fashionable at
Speaker 1: the moment, and I wanted to check in with how
Speaker 1: we're going with that.
Speaker 2: I feel like all my friendships slash podcasts slash, Like
Speaker 2: all my contact with the world is just a cycle
Speaker 2: of people being like, here's my hack for getting off
Speaker 2: my phone. I got and thirty three ten and I
Speaker 2: bought this thing, and I'm guilty. I have a brick
Speaker 2: stuck to my phone.
Speaker 1: To your fridge. Yeah, two fridge, So.
Speaker 2: The thing that you like, tap your phone on and
Speaker 2: it locks you out of your apps. Bloody great when
Speaker 2: I remember to use it. But the problem is I'm
Speaker 2: on TikTok so much that it's distracting me from remembering
Speaker 2: that the brick is even a thing. But I feel
Speaker 2: like everyone just goes through these cycles, and then the
Speaker 2: fact is we're just back on our phones and then
Speaker 2: we all listen, listen, to a podcast or read a
Speaker 2: book that it's like this is ruining our lives and
Speaker 2: we're like, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you? Are your friends really buying nockire
Speaker 1: like dumb phones?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Really? And how does it generally go? This is how
Speaker 1: I picture it. You're at dinner and they put their
Speaker 1: nock here on the table with a sort of smug superiority,
Speaker 1: and you all go, wow, I didn't know there's existed anymore.
Speaker 2: And then what happens Or they turn up and they're like,
Speaker 2: I've deleted everything. I've deleted Instagram, TikTok, I've deleted every app.
Speaker 2: I'm just not it. And then you're like, you're amazing,
Speaker 2: You're an icon, Like I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 2: And then three days lady, you DM from on Instagram
Speaker 2: and you're like, hmmm, things aren't going so well.
Speaker 1: Or they're posting on Instagram about how they've ditched Instagram
Speaker 1: and they don't have a smartphone anymore, and you're like,
Speaker 1: what device are you posting this from? Does your knock
Speaker 1: here connect to Instagram? Doing a desktop computer post?
Speaker 2: But I have to say, when as as somebody coming
Speaker 2: reporting live from my flop era, the fact that sometimes
Speaker 2: all you want to do is kill some time with
Speaker 2: some lovely distraction. And for example, I've always hated exercise.
Speaker 2: I just simply do not enjoy it. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: you're meant to do it mindfully, but I resent every
Speaker 2: second of it. And the only way for me to
Speaker 2: get through it I I look forward to in the
Speaker 2: evenings I put on my television show. It has to
Speaker 2: be bad and I do my weights, and that is
Speaker 2: the only way I.
Speaker 1: Can do it. Fine, that's good, that's allowed.
Speaker 2: I think that's actually really admirable.
Speaker 1: That is allowed, definitely, because that's what it's for. Your
Speaker 1: bad TV show is for weights. There is the distraction, yes,
Speaker 1: And also if we've trained our brains to always be multitasking,
Speaker 1: demanding it to focus on weights, it's hard.
Speaker 2: No, it's horrible.
Speaker 3: And the analog bag, really analog bag, it's just was
Speaker 3: too hard. Like one time I took my so my
Speaker 3: whole thing with my analog bag was I would take
Speaker 3: everything to like a park and do like my little
Speaker 3: hobbies and activities journal and I would leave my phone
Speaker 3: at home. And then one time I went to the
Speaker 3: park and I was doing my analog activities and there
Speaker 3: was a dog and I couldn't take a photo of it.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's rue because I left my phone at home.
Speaker 2: I had that one time. Oh my gosh. I went
Speaker 2: for a walk. I think it was during COVID and
Speaker 2: I went for a walk, my normal little walk when
Speaker 2: I lived in Glebe, and it was like la la lah,
Speaker 2: so smug, so smug. I don't have a phone. And
Speaker 2: there was a seal. It's so cute and it keeps
Speaker 2: popping up and I can't document this and I feel
Speaker 2: so alone.
Speaker 1: Did the seal even happen if you didn't take a picture.
Speaker 1: I explained the brick, which is that? So the brick,
Speaker 1: as Claire said, is a device you can buy that
Speaker 1: locks you out of your phone, well, locks you out
Speaker 1: of your apps on your phone, but like it would
Speaker 1: still ring if your child needed you or whatever. But
Speaker 1: I explained that brick to Brent and he did not
Speaker 1: understand the words coming out of my mouth. He was like,
Speaker 1: just don't touch your phone, and a lot about Louder
Speaker 1: said the same thing last time. It's like what I
Speaker 1: don't understand. Why would you buy a thing to stop
Speaker 1: you from looking at your thing? And I'm like, you
Speaker 1: don't get.
Speaker 2: My brain and understand that I'm on well I am.
Speaker 1: I am in a very bad habit, which I've talked
Speaker 1: about before, but at the minute I'm back in it,
Speaker 1: which is ten minutes, say ten minutes, let's be real.
Speaker 1: But before I go to sleep, immediately before I go
Speaker 1: to sleep, and when I very first wake up, I'm scrolling,
Speaker 1: and I'm scrolling pleasant things. I'm scrolling like bad bunnies
Speaker 1: back on tour in Spain, gardening rivals, whatever. But I'm
Speaker 1: still just scrolling nonsense. And I know it's bad for me,
Speaker 1: and I know it affects my sleep and all those things.
Speaker 1: But I am powerless before it, and I need to
Speaker 1: get back out of that thing. And I just so
Speaker 1: I see memes like this, and I'm like, I know
Speaker 1: you're right, I know you're right. I know you're right.
Speaker 2: I just don't change my behavior.
Speaker 1: Oh dear, speaking of the Internet and the things that
Speaker 1: it's taught me lately, I don't think I saw this
Speaker 1: on one of my nighttime scrolls. I bring some serious
Speaker 1: texts from the Internet for study friends because I'm trying
Speaker 1: to understand something about the current moment that I do
Speaker 1: not so text one a comment from Kylie Jenner just
Speaker 1: one word written under a post from page six, which
Speaker 1: is The New York Post's gossip column. I don't know
Speaker 1: why she's looking at that, but clearly she needs a
Speaker 1: brick anyway. One word under a picture of her boyfriend,
Speaker 1: the Chalo May arriving at the basketball. She just wrote daddy,
Speaker 1: and the Internet lost their mind.
Speaker 2: So many likes, so many, and then it got so
Speaker 2: buried by other people being like daddy, daddy, daddy, that
Speaker 2: everyone's like, did you de lead her comment? And it's like, no,
Speaker 2: it's just comment number three, four hundred and one. You
Speaker 2: can't find it now.
Speaker 1: Chala May is not Kylie Jenner's daddy. That would be
Speaker 1: Caitlin Jenna. But that's a whole other conversation. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad you clarified that second text. Katie Perry just a
Speaker 1: woman in love. Right. She was on a live stream
Speaker 1: interview with station Head. It's a social radio live streaming thing, right,
Speaker 1: and we're about to play this grab. She sounds a
Speaker 1: little bit tired, overwhelmed, love sick. But this is what
Speaker 1: she said.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not gonna forget my Canadiens. He would need
Speaker 4: to say that. I'm so Canada down. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: I love him so much. I can't stop looking at him.
Speaker 4: Makes me so happy. Oh god, it makes me happy,
Speaker 4: so happy, I can't even look at him. Stop it.
Speaker 4: You got me giggling like a school girl. I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: he is our true daddy, talking about the love of
Speaker 4: my life. Of course, double Rainbow comes on.
Speaker 1: Oh don't make me cry, so Katie Perry, and that
Speaker 1: clip is talking about the former Prime Minister of Canada,
Speaker 1: just In Trudeau, and she refers to him in case
Speaker 1: she missed it, as her true daddy. I just know
Speaker 1: she regrets that video.
Speaker 2: She's gonna regret that whole thing. True Daddy, No, no,
Speaker 2: I don't like it.
Speaker 1: Daddy is everywhere. There's the Internet Daddy, which we've discussed before,
Speaker 1: personified by Pedro Pascal. Other men who wear that crown
Speaker 1: are like Stanley Tucci, Addris Elba, David Harbor. Before the
Speaker 1: whole Lily Allen thing really blew up, he was a
Speaker 1: bit of a daddy before and also after really still after.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think he's back as Daddy.
Speaker 1: And then there's the subversion of Daddy Call Her Daddy.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest podcasts in the World is hosted
Speaker 1: by Alex Cooper, who is Daddy, and she is like,
Speaker 1: here's your father figure talking now from where I sit.
Speaker 1: Using daddy for anyone other than your father.
Speaker 2: Well, even using it for your father.
Speaker 1: Well and then only I think only under the age
Speaker 1: of twelve. Yeah, right, Like was something that no one
Speaker 1: admitted to publicly, like it was your own private business
Speaker 1: in the bedroom. Look, it's got to be said that
Speaker 1: some people consider this term, you know, part of a
Speaker 1: whole mainstreaming of a fetishization of underage girl that is
Speaker 1: really dangerous and unhealthy, no question, right, But it's suddenly
Speaker 1: everywhere we look in a really mainstream culture way. But
Speaker 1: what has happened, Emily Vernon, that we are now just
Speaker 1: daddying all over the place.
Speaker 3: I think it's happened because so many women have been
Speaker 3: burnt by men their own age.
Speaker 2: So we're looking ahead, Wow, we're looking.
Speaker 1: Does daddy have to be an older man?
Speaker 3: It has to be an old like an older esque
Speaker 3: man who embodies an infectionate, sexy, protective persona so Pedro
Speaker 3: Pascal from the Last of Us daddy esque.
Speaker 1: That's where you're your friend. Lily Allenstein was very these
Speaker 1: are very stranger things. He was guiding a young girl
Speaker 1: through it, but in a non sexual, non non.
Speaker 2: But responsible, trustworthy, has your best interests at heart.
Speaker 3: Henry Cavell in The Witcher was very protective. So these
Speaker 3: are like daddy esque figures that us as women going,
Speaker 3: look how he treats those young children who aren't his children.
Speaker 1: But that's a very generous read of the daddy thing, right,
Speaker 1: because that is not what Kylie Jenner is saying about
Speaker 1: Timothy Shalloway. And like, the people who get the ick
Speaker 1: about the daddy thing is because I think it used
Speaker 1: to be seen as a kink, right Like, and I
Speaker 1: don't mean to be really clear, we are talking about
Speaker 1: this as like a cultural term right and now. And
Speaker 1: the idea was, yes, protective, but also sexy. And that's
Speaker 1: that mummy isn't used in the same way, right, So
Speaker 1: a daddy, the whole mainstreaming of daddiness isn't just about
Speaker 1: being protective and lovely, right, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it's come from like you're definitely right, it
Speaker 3: has come from the bedroom of like men wanting to
Speaker 3: be called daddy. But I think that's because I want
Speaker 3: to feel masculine and protective even though they might not be,
Speaker 3: and they're just like missing that, and I think they
Speaker 3: get a kick out of it. I don't know any
Speaker 3: woman who like says it openly about her partner or
Speaker 3: anyone like that. It's always in reference to like a
Speaker 3: celebrity man. It's never too like my person, or like,
Speaker 3: oh I think that guy is so hot, he's so daddy.
Speaker 1: I never I never heard that.
Speaker 3: I currently had it heard it for like celebrities who
Speaker 3: are like kind of like untouchable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I and the thing is, I mean elephant
Speaker 2: in the room. I think the reason that we all
Speaker 2: feel funny about Kylie's comment is that Timothy shallow Mate
Speaker 2: is not Daddy.
Speaker 1: No, he's not.
Speaker 2: She's she's she's actually encouraged.
Speaker 1: She's starting a marketing campaign to Daddy fight him. That
Speaker 1: is not right, and he's not there yet.
Speaker 2: And when I googled, I was like, oh, where did
Speaker 2: this Timothy Shalla may daddy think? I googled it and
Speaker 2: it came up with his father Mark. I was like, well,
Speaker 2: he's probably more Daddy than Timothy. And I'm like, Timothy, Mate,
Speaker 2: I've seen it like like you're too young, you're too immature.
Speaker 2: I've you know, you're just really not at that point.
Speaker 2: But then I went on to TikTok and I saw
Speaker 2: all these different descriptions of it and the fact that
Speaker 2: it's really different to like alpha, it's really different to
Speaker 2: having like cocky energy any of that. It's about emotional
Speaker 2: emotional safety. I quite I was like, okay, physical protection,
Speaker 2: like feeling taken care of. But then I did go
Speaker 2: down a rabbit hole of how it actually started, and
Speaker 2: I forgot. I learned this in psychology, so you know
Speaker 2: how there's the there's the Oedipus complex. Yes, there was
Speaker 2: a theory about the Yeah, so Sigmund Freud said, had
Speaker 2: this or that has no basis in science, and and
Speaker 2: it gets a bit laughed at now that that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was boys in love with their mother. Then Carl
Speaker 2: Jung had one called the Electra complex, which was like
Speaker 2: daughters being in love with their fathers. And so it
Speaker 2: started this thing. And then I remember that Sylvia Plath
Speaker 2: some of her poetry was about daddy, and it was
Speaker 2: like the parallel between the issues that she had with
Speaker 2: her father and then the issues that she had with
Speaker 2: her husband, which I think comes down to the whole
Speaker 2: idea of daddy issues it comes from. And so my
Speaker 2: question is is there a relationship between the term daddy
Speaker 2: and somebody having daddy issues? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think we put that on women who have like,
Speaker 3: quote unquote daddy issues and we're like, that's her daddy. Like,
Speaker 3: especially women who date older men, we say she's got
Speaker 3: a daddy because like, she's dating older men.
Speaker 1: Daddy's that's the whole thing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I remember, like specifically, when I stopped calling my
Speaker 3: dad daddy because I always did as a kid, like
Speaker 3: that was always my word for him.
Speaker 1: And then I remember I was on the phone to him.
Speaker 3: In high school and I was like fourteen and he
Speaker 3: called and I was like, hi, daddy, And then my
Speaker 3: friends just gave me this look like oh, you need
Speaker 3: to stop this, And I was like, why do you
Speaker 3: guys have to make it weird sad?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Because Okay, so there is something specific about growing up
Speaker 1: people calling their father's daddy and their mummy's summy. I
Speaker 1: think that is equal on both and both genders in
Speaker 1: that way, right, King Charles Posh.
Speaker 2: People do it in.
Speaker 1: England, right, So the upper classes in England have always
Speaker 1: done that. It's mama and Papa or it's mummy, and daddy,
Speaker 1: And so I think King Charles did it at the
Speaker 1: Queen's one of the queen's big birthdays or something, didn't.
Speaker 1: He got on the mic and he just said mommy.
Speaker 1: And the thing is about that is that it is
Speaker 1: it was a marker of class. Mom, dad, you know,
Speaker 1: and their mad whatever was seen as lower class ways
Speaker 1: to talk about your family, and so it was kind
Speaker 1: of got a credibility to be like mummy daddy to
Speaker 1: carry on through. But one of the reasons why daddy
Speaker 1: is it is because it has taken on this like
Speaker 1: slightly sexual sugar daddy vibe, which is devastating really, like
Speaker 1: that is not where it should go. But it is
Speaker 1: also interesting that mummy doesn't have the same vibe. Like
Speaker 1: when we're talking about iconic women on the internet, we
Speaker 1: call them mother, right, So like you have like who's
Speaker 1: always called mother, like Lady.
Speaker 2: Gaga men, that's women calling them mommy.
Speaker 1: Yes, but it's also it's completely devoid, I think of
Speaker 1: any kind of sexual energy. It's very much about like
Speaker 1: a goddess goddess, yes, so, but it's not mummy like mother.
Speaker 2: So my question is celebrities that are daddy, right, Because
Speaker 2: as much as like it's a weird, problematic term. I
Speaker 2: think we have an instinct for who is and who isn't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Pedro Pascal is clearly Tucci. How about man Affleck.
Speaker 1: He is of course a father, but he's not daddy.
Speaker 2: How about John Hamm?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, John ham No, I don't see it. I
Speaker 3: don't see it for John Hamm.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing though, is that when we were talking
Speaker 1: about this earlier and you said if they are a father,
Speaker 1: they can't be branded daddy, which we bring John Hamm
Speaker 1: in because he is not a father, so he could
Speaker 1: be daddy. But he is also a bit of a
Speaker 1: hot mess. Everyone has seen him dancing off his chops
Speaker 1: at bad Bunny silly. Bringing us to my friend Benito,
Speaker 1: he's not daddy, he's puppy. Of course.
Speaker 3: He actually did call Kendall Jenna when they were dating mummy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know. It was very sexy, very beautiful, like.
Speaker 2: Hey, okay, but like Colin Firth for me, yeah, Colin,
Speaker 2: he's like father, Okay, he is father, he is father. Yes.
Speaker 2: How about Adam Driver last one.
Speaker 3: After the memoir, a bit before he lost his daddyfication.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah to me, definitely not out louders in a moment,
Speaker 2: what is a reading gap relationship? And can you possibly
Speaker 2: survive one?
Speaker 5: Hey, out Louders, it's Mea Friedman here. I host the
Speaker 5: Tuesday and Thursday episodes of out Loud for subscribers, and
Speaker 5: in yesterday's episode, we spoke about the return of the
Speaker 5: personal essay. It was huge at the beginning of women's
Speaker 5: websites when Muma Mia was starting out and Holly m
Speaker 5: and I, well all of us really, we have all
Speaker 5: written some banging personal essays and some mortifying ones and
Speaker 5: the problem is they're all still on the internet. We
Speaker 5: talk about the ones we regret and the ones that
Speaker 5: we feel really made a difference. Have a listen a
Speaker 5: link in the show notes.
Speaker 3: Beauty expert and host of Muma MEA's You Beauty podcast,
Speaker 3: Lee Campbell has revealed exactly how often we should all
Speaker 3: be washing our hair. And I am going to give
Speaker 3: you a bit of a rage baby answer because she
Speaker 3: says you should wash your hair however many times you want, but.
Speaker 2: No wait into which I say, that is not it.
Speaker 3: But she brings context to this because she says people
Speaker 3: with thinner hair it gets oilier more quickly, which is
Speaker 3: why people with thinner hair should be washing their hair
Speaker 3: if you want your hair to keep looking fresh more often.
Speaker 3: Some people wash it every day. Some people wash it
Speaker 3: every two days. People with thicker hair because the oil
Speaker 3: takes longer to get into your hair, little buds wash
Speaker 3: their hair less regularly. So if you're like me, I
Speaker 3: wash it once a week, once a week. If not
Speaker 3: wash my I wash mine today.
Speaker 2: It looks very voluminy.
Speaker 3: I do like a wash, and then I do. I
Speaker 3: can get three days out of it, and then I
Speaker 3: do slick backslick back, slick back.
Speaker 1: This is interesting.
Speaker 2: I can't do a slick back.
Speaker 1: That's how many times do you wash your hair?
Speaker 2: I have to wash it every day.
Speaker 1: You wash it every day.
Speaker 2: I'm the thin I believe what my hairdresser says is
Speaker 2: I have fine hair, but a lot of it and
Speaker 2: so it. But the fineness means that if I haven't
Speaker 2: washed it in a day, I'm like, everyone knows. It's
Speaker 2: just it's not it's not nice.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, how about you, Holly, Because I thought we had.
Speaker 1: Kind of the same texture twice a week, two or
Speaker 1: three times a week.
Speaker 2: Well, they say, with curly hair, you shouldn't wash it's
Speaker 2: that's good. You should be washing it less because it
Speaker 2: keeps the curls.
Speaker 1: I used to wash it every other day religiously. I
Speaker 1: thought that's just what you had to do. But actually,
Speaker 1: as I've gotten older and more like, fuck the rules, man,
Speaker 1: I live my own life. I have discovered that my
Speaker 1: hair is often best on day three, like because it's
Speaker 1: very frizzy my hair if it's not anyway. But what's
Speaker 1: interesting to me is doesn't it depend what you're doing
Speaker 1: with your head? Because also if you exercise a lot,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, sweaty head, I have to wash my hair,
Speaker 1: like if I'm on the spin bike or you know,
Speaker 1: do it. I mean, let's pretend that that happens all
Speaker 1: the time. But when I'm in an exercise jag and
Speaker 1: I do that, or you go swimming or whatever like,
Speaker 1: then you have to wash your hair more often. Right.
Speaker 3: Sometimes if I'm like, because you know how I feel
Speaker 3: about showering, that's true, you're not a shower. Sometimes if
Speaker 3: I'm like, like working out and it's not like my
Speaker 3: shower day, I'll just wet my hair.
Speaker 2: Okay, this was gonna be my question. So there was
Speaker 2: a viral TikTok that I saw about a month ago.
Speaker 2: That was this girl being like so she said to
Speaker 2: her friend. She's like, I'm gonna have a shower. I'm
Speaker 2: not washing my hair, and her friend's like, cool, go
Speaker 2: for it. She goes in shower, she comes back out
Speaker 2: with wet hair, and her friend's like, why is your
Speaker 2: hair wet? And I thought you weren't washing your hair
Speaker 2: and she's like, I didn't, and she's like, well, then
Speaker 2: why is your hair wet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's washing it.
Speaker 2: I wet it in between in between washes. And her
Speaker 2: friend was like, no, no, this is not a thing.
Speaker 2: And it turned into this whole debate on TikTok because
Speaker 2: I would never really, you can't.
Speaker 1: So every day you're properly washing your hair, not just
Speaker 1: wetting it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's something about blondness.
Speaker 1: This must be.
Speaker 2: It must be.
Speaker 1: It must be some deep psychological childhood. But I, well,
Speaker 1: you've got lots of hair, long hair, but you do too,
Speaker 1: like washing hair is a mission, right, so sometimes like
Speaker 1: a armed hair, like you don't need to do wait
Speaker 1: to the day you wash your hair. I don't want
Speaker 1: to wash my hair and so therefore there is no
Speaker 1: way I'm getting it wet in the shower. Although as
Speaker 1: much discussed on this podcast before. I don't have a
Speaker 1: shower cap. I just keep my fricking heads out of
Speaker 1: the shower.
Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons my posture is so bad, yes,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, this.
Speaker 1: Well is showering, But if I was going to wear it,
Speaker 1: i'd wash it. Why would I just wet it.
Speaker 3: That's just going to turn it into you just need
Speaker 3: to wet it, just to wet it, and you can't
Speaker 3: do a full wash.
Speaker 1: Is blown. I know this is not one of the
Speaker 1: important issues of the day friends.
Speaker 2: But and then something else has blown my mind recently,
Speaker 2: so having a Jesse and I had a conversation the
Speaker 2: other day where we're like, okay with our toddlers who
Speaker 2: were like two and a half three, we wash their
Speaker 2: hair with soap like cant like like baby soap. Okay,
Speaker 2: and they got full hairded hair, and we're like, a
Speaker 2: what age do you do shampoo and conditioner? And then
Speaker 2: we're like, I don't know if shampoo and conditioner makes
Speaker 2: a difference. I don't know if it actually does anything.
Speaker 1: This is radical. She's burned it all down the champoo industry.
Speaker 3: We've taken it too far. You're probably keeping the shampoo
Speaker 3: industry alive. With your washing hair every.
Speaker 1: Single day, I actually am condition You can't not if
Speaker 1: you've got long hair, conditioners everything.
Speaker 5: It becomes like.
Speaker 3: I do have a really good hack that I learned
Speaker 3: from someone who works She works at one of those
Speaker 3: like stores that sells rye shampoo. If you dry shampoo
Speaker 3: your hair after you wash it, not when it gets oily,
Speaker 3: it actually makes your hair last way longer.
Speaker 1: You could get like three to four days out of
Speaker 1: that baby.
Speaker 2: Rits go white. I think because I don't shake this.
Speaker 1: You don't just raw dog dry shampoo.
Speaker 2: This is my problem.
Speaker 3: You shake the bottle, you spray it, you leave it
Speaker 3: for a bit, and then you rub it.
Speaker 2: In that I'm missing that step, despairing of a shell.
Speaker 1: This is why baby shampoo has invented to make people
Speaker 1: feel comfortable about the bridge between soap and proper shampoo. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nonsince I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah. An article published on Dazed last week was called
Speaker 2: help my boyfriend doesn't read And these are the things
Speaker 2: I click on. It told the story of April, who
Speaker 2: a year ago broke up with her partner of four years,
Speaker 2: a man who rarely read. She was in a reading
Speaker 2: gap relationship, and she said, I remember feeling really lonely
Speaker 2: at times because I would be excited by something I
Speaker 2: was reading and I was just never able to have
Speaker 2: conversations about it with him. Now, apparently for women who
Speaker 2: date men, this is really common. Women make up about
Speaker 2: eighty percent of the book buying market, and this gender
Speaker 2: gap in reading is particularly pronounced when it comes to fiction.
Speaker 2: It's women who are reading fiction and the rates of
Speaker 2: men reading fiction is really declining. In a recent survey,
Speaker 2: twenty four percent of people say they wouldn't date someone
Speaker 2: who's reading habits don't match their own.
Speaker 1: That's tricky because I know a lot of women who
Speaker 1: might read two or three books a year because they
Speaker 1: like books, but their lives are really busy, so a
Speaker 1: book for them is a holiday. Like, that's what a
Speaker 1: holiday is, when you will get to read a book. Now,
Speaker 1: are those people readers or not readers? And do they
Speaker 1: like they can they only date people who also read
Speaker 1: three books a year?
Speaker 2: I know, like it's very I find it a really.
Speaker 1: A no shade. By the way, on the three book.
Speaker 1: If you're squeezing that in and you've got to be
Speaker 1: the life, you're doing very well.
Speaker 2: I know, I find it really interesting that people. Then,
Speaker 2: as April says in this article, she now considers it
Speaker 2: a red flag if somebody if a guy that she's
Speaker 2: seeing doesn't read, that's.
Speaker 3: So it's just like doesn't read in general, not like
Speaker 3: reading up to her standard of reading.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like doesn't read in general. And she
Speaker 2: don't worry. Guy, she's got a new partner. He has
Speaker 2: a library in his bedroom, So don't stress. April's fine.
Speaker 1: I would find that very attractive in the bedrooms unless
Speaker 1: they were really boring.
Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, actually true. Obviously for April it was about dating.
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of us can find in
Speaker 2: our lives that with the men that were around, whether
Speaker 2: it is our literal dads or our male friends or
Speaker 2: our brothers, that we wish we could be speaking the
Speaker 2: same language book wise, that we could have conversations about
Speaker 2: what we're reading. And it is something that women find
Speaker 2: really appealing in men, and I think it can be
Speaker 2: a bit of a source of connection. But another thing
Speaker 2: that we came across this week was a relationship an
Speaker 2: attraction group. Date Psychology surveyed eight hundred and forty men
Speaker 2: and women on the attractiveness of male pastimes, and they
Speaker 2: found that the most attractive hobby to women that men
Speaker 2: could do Number one was reading. I love this, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Two it was foreign languages, number three, playing an instrument,
Speaker 2: and then the least attractive were man a sphere. How
Speaker 2: is that a hobby?
Speaker 4: Just for it?
Speaker 2: Existing hobby the gambling pawn and my personal favorite, arguing
Speaker 2: on so good.
Speaker 1: That is some men's hobby that genuinely is some women's hobby.
Speaker 2: Actually actually I'm like, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: Equal opportunity arguing online. They clock in and.
Speaker 2: It's a really important pastime. So my question is, Holly,
Speaker 2: could you is it something is a relationship deal breaker
Speaker 2: for you? If Brent didn't read? Firstly, does Brent read?
Speaker 1: He does because he writes, He does read, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't read loads. So I read. You know, life gets
Speaker 1: busy and you don't get to read as much as
Speaker 1: you'd like. Like, my fantasy is that one day when
Speaker 1: I don't work anymore, I'm going to read all the books.
Speaker 1: That is my dream, because these days I read in bed.
Speaker 1: Now that I've finally got a bath, I read in
Speaker 1: the bath. Fancy I read on the train. But like
Speaker 1: you've got to fit it in around your life, right,
Speaker 1: And I've always read, so I've always, all my life
Speaker 1: had a book on the go, and not everybody does.
Speaker 1: And Brent doesn't always have a book on the go,
Speaker 1: but he reads a bit. And this is his His
Speaker 1: reading habit is very common of men I know, which
Speaker 1: is that he is more likely to read nonfiction than me.
Speaker 1: Not not always, but at the minute, for example, he's reading, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's reading Jane Carrow's lady's book about public education, right,
Speaker 1: because Brent is a big well we're a big public
Speaker 1: education people, and he's involved in local school whatever. And
Speaker 1: his annoying, his annoying habit is that he's in bed
Speaker 1: reading that and I'm engrossed in my novel because I
Speaker 1: only read novels and memoirs. And he'll be like, he
Speaker 1: has to read it out, not like read it to
Speaker 1: me like a story book. No, but oh my god,
Speaker 1: did you know blah blah blah blah blah, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: did you I'm like, you don't have to perform the book, baby,
Speaker 1: It's okay. I know you're reading. It's all going in.
Speaker 1: That's okay. But that's a very typical man thing. I
Speaker 1: think in lots of ways to sir type, but he
Speaker 1: does read, but we don't necessarily read the same things,
Speaker 1: and I wondered if that was a reading gap.
Speaker 3: I'm confused about April's dilemma because her whole thing was
Speaker 3: she reads, her boyfriend doesn't read, so it makes it
Speaker 3: hard to have conversations about the books that she's reading.
Speaker 3: Whereas I've dated men in the past who don't read,
Speaker 3: and I've read a book and I'm just like yapping
Speaker 3: at them. Yeah, And I found that quite fine as
Speaker 3: long as they're listening.
Speaker 2: And it's quite nice if you know they're never going
Speaker 2: to read it. Yeah, Like I can just tell you
Speaker 2: the whole plot and it ain't a spoiler because you
Speaker 2: are never ever, ever going to read that.
Speaker 3: And I think you can still have conversations about books
Speaker 3: that not everyone has read. So many times I've been
Speaker 3: to drinks or dinner with my friends and I've been
Speaker 3: talking about a book I've read that they're not reading,
Speaker 3: and we just discussed like the plot points of the
Speaker 3: book and the context of the book.
Speaker 1: Top tip they're board.
Speaker 2: I do have to go bring that up.
Speaker 1: It is I as a book person who loves to
Speaker 1: talk about books. It's not exciting to talk about books
Speaker 1: you haven't read, do you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean? So?
Speaker 1: Do you think he was just bored and relationship? But Claire,
Speaker 1: what do you think? You're a book worm?
Speaker 2: So I do think there's something here, something April was
Speaker 2: picking up on in her male partner and a lot
Speaker 2: of men not reading fiction. I find that to be
Speaker 2: I think through reading fiction, you develop a level of empathy,
Speaker 2: the skill of being able to see things through someone else's.
Speaker 1: Perspective that you're curious. It's why we're obsessed about trying
Speaker 1: to get children to read. And it's a harder and
Speaker 1: harder thing to do, but it's that walking in someone
Speaker 1: else's shoes.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I feel like my mind has been changed
Speaker 2: so much by fiction, so many times where I might
Speaker 2: have had a certain view of something and then I've
Speaker 2: read a book seen it through a completely different lens
Speaker 2: and being like, oh that is just that is invaluable.
Speaker 2: How that's changed my perspective. And I think it can
Speaker 2: be frustrating sometimes in your relationships with men, where you
Speaker 2: feel like saying, I really want you to read this
Speaker 2: book because it would really, really really challenge you, and
Speaker 2: you know they're not going to because they almost can
Speaker 2: look down on fiction a little bit. My partner's the
Speaker 2: same as Brent Holly, so very into nonfiction and really
Speaker 2: he just reads freaking like the biography slash memoir of
Speaker 2: the Nike guy. Yeah, and he will sit there and
Speaker 2: just read out it to you facts and I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's great. I'm deep. I'm on page one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty six. This of this there was a great twist,
Speaker 2: but I can't explain.
Speaker 1: It to you. Or also, you're on an island or
Speaker 1: in some other world, or walking through a market in India,
Speaker 1: or you're in a whatever. In your mind, that's where
Speaker 1: you are because you're reading a book about it, and
Speaker 1: you're like, I can't be dealing with the laws of business, right.
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't. I don't care, but it is
Speaker 2: I do think maybe it is simply a difference in preference.
Speaker 2: There's interesting whenever you see lists of like what men
Speaker 2: read versus what women read, men read books about money.
Speaker 1: So to back that up, right there, it isn't true
Speaker 1: that men don't read fiction, but they're more likely to
Speaker 1: read crime fiction. Interestingly, right. Top ten books from that
Speaker 1: women bought in Australia last year. Number one recipe. He
Speaker 1: needs no surprise because of course nage go Number two
Speaker 1: Onyx Storm, Oh yeah that sounds yeahs number three The
Speaker 1: Impossible Fortune by Richard Osmond, so Crime but Cozy Crime,
Speaker 1: The Unquiet Grave by Devil mcton and Crime Here One
Speaker 1: Moment by Leanne Moriarty Crime not ish but genius, great, big,
Speaker 1: beautiful life. We did that for the book Club by
Speaker 1: Emily Henry. Let them Ah nonfiction Sally Rooney into Metso
Speaker 1: Bake with Brockie, who is Nagi's nemesis. I'm sure she isn't.
Speaker 1: Jokes jokes, jokes and fearless, which is a ya. Now,
Speaker 1: this is really interesting if this is to be believed,
Speaker 1: that the top ten list of books brought by men
Speaker 1: in Australia last year, number one was last one out
Speaker 1: by Jane Harper. Jane Harper is leave to be a
Speaker 1: writer who has neutralized the gender gap, which is really
Speaker 1: interesting because a lot of those, with the exception of
Speaker 1: Richard Osmon, a lot of the books that were top
Speaker 1: ten by women were written by women, and a lot
Speaker 1: of the books in the top ten men were written
Speaker 1: by men, which is kind of depressing.
Speaker 2: Right to your.
Speaker 1: Point about opening your eyes walking in other people's shoes.
Speaker 1: Da da Da da da. It's kind of depressing that
Speaker 1: that's the case. But Jane Harper has neutralized the gender gap,
Speaker 1: and so is Richard Osmond. Actually he has more women
Speaker 1: than men. But still but number two bears out our
Speaker 1: theory Atomic Habits by James Clear, which has been out
Speaker 1: for this.
Speaker 2: And this is the thing why the gender binery isn't
Speaker 2: it is? You know there are many contradictions to it.
Speaker 2: Because I have read and loved Atomic Habits. I will
Speaker 2: never stop talking.
Speaker 1: Right now. You and Jessie are like spokesperson. Then there's
Speaker 1: Matthew Riley, the detective. So those are those really pacy
Speaker 1: crime ones Exit Strategy by Lee Child's saying vibe the
Speaker 1: Barefoot Investor.
Speaker 2: I believe that's been in the top ten for.
Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 3: The amount of times I've talked about Barefoot Investor on
Speaker 3: my dates.
Speaker 1: Actually, I've read the book The Psychology of Money by
Speaker 1: Morgan Hasel, The Valley by Chris Hammer. That's crime Gravity
Speaker 1: Let Me Go by Trent Dalton. I'm very happy to
Speaker 1: see that in their very positive male role model in
Speaker 1: that book. Well he's crazy, but you know he really
Speaker 1: cares about his family. Then there's an essay book about
Speaker 1: post American future, a Quarterly Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes. I also read the Quarterly Yes.
Speaker 1: That's huge and Clowntown by Mick Heron, who's the slow
Speaker 1: Horses guy. So there is a lot. The fiction that
Speaker 1: is in there is what you might imagine, like the
Speaker 1: lists do play to those stereotypes, and so it's that idea.
Speaker 1: I guess, yes, why people find men reading really attractive.
Speaker 1: But I think that if books are really high upon
Speaker 1: your values list, then isn't that also going to be
Speaker 1: true of friendships and lots of other.
Speaker 3: Relationship I agree, especially when it comes to like we've
Speaker 3: talked about how women, especially in when they're older, want
Speaker 3: to make more friends and things like that, and book
Speaker 3: clubs is now the big thing right now, everyone's having
Speaker 3: a book club. And the best thing about book clubs
Speaker 3: is that you're reading a really fun cozy novel or
Speaker 3: a romanticy novel and you can all giggle about it
Speaker 3: and talk about it and talk about the themes about it.
Speaker 3: I find if I were to go and I do
Speaker 3: love memoirs, but if I were to go to a
Speaker 3: book club where every time the book is non fiction
Speaker 3: or a memoir, it will be really fun and exciting,
Speaker 3: I feel like the first few books, but then you
Speaker 3: feel like just really it feels like work. It feels
Speaker 3: really hard. And I think when it comes to reading,
Speaker 3: a lot of women want to read books because they
Speaker 3: want that escapism and they want to have that like
Speaker 3: no that's so far fetched from their life that they
Speaker 3: can just deal with, like a little mystery on an island.
Speaker 3: And every time we read nonfiction, it feels like we're
Speaker 3: doing it for a purpose, to make our lives better.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you don't want that. Sometimes you just want
Speaker 2: to escape. I blame Dual Leaper for the high standards
Speaker 2: of expecting your romantic partner to read what you read. Now,
Speaker 2: I will say that it is lovely. I remember Rory
Speaker 2: and I went on a holiday once and I was
Speaker 2: reading a Caroline Overrington novel and then I passed it
Speaker 2: to him and he read it, and it just it
Speaker 2: was the theme of our holiday was just assessing this book.
Speaker 2: And there is nothing like it, but frickin' Dua. Leeper
Speaker 2: met her actor fiance Callum Turner because they sat next
Speaker 2: to each other and realized they were reading the same book,
Speaker 2: and it was it's called Trust by hern And Diaz,
Speaker 2: and they had both just finished the first chapter and
Speaker 2: then she looked at him and said, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just I just finished the first chapter two and
Speaker 2: he said, so we're on the same page. I don't
Speaker 2: believe that, And it's like, cool.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that because I've heard it before, and
Speaker 1: I like, I'm very impressed by it. But I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like one of those two was fibbing about
Speaker 1: the situation.
Speaker 3: I thought they were both fibbing because they're both just
Speaker 3: two hot people.
Speaker 1: Like hot people talk to hot people.
Speaker 2: It's okay, you can have just liked each other. They
Speaker 2: probably saw like.
Speaker 1: A girl in the corner reading the book. But this
Speaker 1: is what straight women need. They need to and like
Speaker 1: push the expectation of reading on men as a manly activity.
Speaker 2: And Jacob Alordie has been has been great for this
Speaker 2: as well, often photographed in bookstores or walking around holding books.
Speaker 2: He's been photographed holding Primer Facie by Susie Miller. I've
Speaker 2: also read that he says he's read Uh Secret History
Speaker 2: by Donna Tat have also read that I'm like, you're him.
Speaker 2: We'd have lots stock about Paul mescal was once candidly
Speaker 2: photographed reading alone in a bar.
Speaker 1: That's so, we've talked about this before. Yeah, follows an
Speaker 1: Instagram account of hot men reading. But I worry it's
Speaker 1: becoming performative. Yeah, I think the poor mescal was a
Speaker 1: bit performative. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: Even if it is. Maybe they'll get bored and read
Speaker 2: a page and that's lovely.
Speaker 1: Little steps, little steps after.
Speaker 2: The break, a book, a movie, and a TV show.
Speaker 2: Our recommendations for your weekend.
Speaker 1: Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun.
Speaker 2: This is my best recommendation. It's Friday, so we want
Speaker 2: to help set up your weekend with our best recommendations.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna straight up go first. Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going to dominate you stand your grand girl? Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I will. Okay, My reco is a memoir. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: call it memoir. Is it too Early to Bitch? By
Speaker 2: Grace Rubray?
Speaker 1: Oh it's very good.
Speaker 2: Now. Great is a Mummia executive producer and host. You
Speaker 2: might have heard her on the Spill and on the Quickie.
Speaker 2: Her voice will be very.
Speaker 1: Familiar to Grace has a gorgeous voice.
Speaker 2: Oh, she's a trained voice actor. So if you wonder
Speaker 2: why her voice is so beautiful, that's one of the reasons.
Speaker 2: She's a former actor producer, and she wrote and starred
Speaker 2: in a series called six hundred Bottles of Wine that
Speaker 2: was on Channel ten.
Speaker 3: Like she's just like in so many amazing Australian TV
Speaker 3: shows that you see her in the background, Like she's
Speaker 3: been in an episode of Colin from Account and she's
Speaker 3: been in Heartbreak High.
Speaker 1: She's so talented, she's real talented.
Speaker 2: And then she's just nice.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry nice anyway, even if we didn't know her.
Speaker 2: I would be recommending this. So her memoir is about
Speaker 2: her friendship and it's it's like a love story with
Speaker 2: Katie Lee's. So it starts with they connect by bitching
Speaker 2: about someone who's in their acting class, and what follows
Speaker 2: is a thirteen year friendship that becomes the central, most
Speaker 2: important relationship of their lives. There there's beautiful, beautiful scenes
Speaker 2: where they are traveling in Europe together and it's just
Speaker 2: anybody who's had one of those formative friendships where you
Speaker 2: feel like you have found your person. It just really
Speaker 2: strikes a chord. Then Katie dies suddenly and tragically, so
Speaker 2: Katie was. You may have heard Katie's name or you
Speaker 2: may know her story. So Katie was the healthy, thirty
Speaker 2: four year old living in redfen who died in August
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one after receiving the astrosenica vaccination. There is
Speaker 2: nothing political in that statement. It's just a fact, and
Speaker 2: Grace so expertly navigates the complexity of that when your
Speaker 2: politics go against your personal lived experience, or when people
Speaker 2: assume that because of your lived experience, you will have
Speaker 2: a certain set of politics, and when you know that
Speaker 2: something is so rare and so tragic, but the fact
Speaker 2: is that it happened to your best friend, and she
Speaker 2: writes about Some of my favorite chapters are where Grace
Speaker 2: writes about getting her vaccination and having a panic attack.
Speaker 2: She ends up having her baby daughter in the same
Speaker 2: hospital where she lost her best friend, and it is
Speaker 2: just brilliant. You will laugh at you will laugh and
Speaker 2: smile at all the iterations of their friendship or like
Speaker 2: it just everybody's got a friend like Katie, and the
Speaker 2: kind of secret language and how they support each other
Speaker 2: through breakups and moving to different parts of Sydney and
Speaker 2: South Wales, and then obviously there is a lot to
Speaker 2: grieve in it as well, So I sobbed and I
Speaker 2: just couldn't believe how Grace was able to put this
Speaker 2: into beautiful, beautiful words. I recommend it to everyone. I
Speaker 2: just think it's such an important story like that, especially
Speaker 2: with everything that we hear about people who are cynical
Speaker 2: and skeptical about vaccination. I think this is such a complex,
Speaker 2: nuanced story told full of heart, and nobody could have
Speaker 2: told it like Grace has. So I could not recommend
Speaker 2: it highly enough.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely brilliant. I'm interviewing Grace for no filter. Yes,
Speaker 1: so you will hear that story in more depth to
Speaker 1: if you want to. But yeah, the book is gorgeous.
Speaker 2: Oh so it's called is it too Early to Bitch?
Speaker 3: I am recommending a movie, another fam action pack movie
Speaker 3: that I.
Speaker 1: Think rivals The Sheep Detectives.
Speaker 2: Okay, you go to the movie so much. I'm so jealous.
Speaker 3: This one is so good. My sister convinced me to
Speaker 3: watch it. It is called The Mandalorian and grogu Is it
Speaker 3: really good?
Speaker 1: Okay. Listen Brett went to see this on Sunday. But
Speaker 1: he's a Star Wars person, Okay, so he liked it.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad he liked it because I am not
Speaker 3: a Star Wars person to the point where this is
Speaker 3: the first ever Star Wars thing I've ever watched.
Speaker 2: You understood what was happening.
Speaker 3: Yes, every every Star Wars person was like, don't watch it,
Speaker 3: you won't understand it.
Speaker 2: I understood everything. It is so good.
Speaker 1: I've never seen the original one.
Speaker 2: I've tried and I couldn't.
Speaker 3: No, Holy I've never seen Star Wars. But so this
Speaker 3: movie has come off the back of the TV show
Speaker 3: The Mandalorian. So now I'm going back to watch the
Speaker 3: TV show because it stars Pedro Pascal as the Mandalorian
Speaker 3: and his sidekick Grogu, which is played by an animatronic robot.
Speaker 3: We're not doing cg I now we've gone back. He
Speaker 3: is okay, So Grogu is Baby Yoda.
Speaker 1: I know Baby.
Speaker 2: I do love Baby.
Speaker 1: My kids were obsessed with.
Speaker 3: I nearly cried every time he came on screen. He's
Speaker 3: so sweet and beauty.
Speaker 1: This is really bolstering the daddy, really bolstering the daddy.
Speaker 1: Now he's looking after baby Yoda exactly. That's he just
Speaker 1: plays the same character across all Johns. But you're right though,
Speaker 1: that robots are back because the hell Mary project that
Speaker 1: alien was a robot, not not CGI.
Speaker 2: And that little Rocky was really cute. I was like,
Speaker 2: he reminds me of my dog and my baby.
Speaker 1: I just loved controversial opinion, bring back robots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately that's what's happening because while he's doing his own
Speaker 3: little press tour, Baby Grogu's going to all the press
Speaker 3: conferences and they're interviewing him anyway, Cadalorian Grogu.
Speaker 2: So this has happened.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't understand Star Wars law, so I kind
Speaker 3: of had to get Wikipedia to help me because I
Speaker 3: wasn't following the plot.
Speaker 1: I was just looking at baby Yoda.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But the Mandalorian so Pedro Pascal plays the Mandalorian who's
Speaker 3: hired as a bounty hunter to go and find and
Speaker 3: track down the Imperial Overlaw to Jesus Christ, to track
Speaker 3: down the Imperial Overlord who managed to escape when the
Speaker 3: empire fell.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so Star Wars think like what empire? Yeah,
Speaker 2: what empire? What Lord?
Speaker 1: There are Star Wars people listening to this right now
Speaker 1: who are just horrified.
Speaker 3: No, I'm I'm so sorry. I just had a really
Speaker 3: good time. It's very actionally, very fun. You don't even
Speaker 3: see Pedro Pascal. You see him for the twenty second
Speaker 3: and I ask, does he take his helmet off?
Speaker 2: You see it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the helmet comes off for twenty seconds, and then
Speaker 3: I in the cinema went.
Speaker 2: No one else joined in. You're like, it was a
Speaker 2: very inappropriate woo. I was told later on.
Speaker 1: All of all of the serious Star Wars people are
Speaker 1: just like, she's.
Speaker 3: Totally here for the Pedro and they were wooing at
Speaker 3: people I didn't even know, so you know what they
Speaker 3: were like.
Speaker 1: There was little bit characters from the Empire popping up
Speaker 1: and they were like, that's that guy.
Speaker 2: I guess. No, it was a really really good time.
Speaker 3: I think I'm now going to get into all the
Speaker 3: Star Wars in like seventies, right.
Speaker 1: I went to see the first one of the movies
Speaker 1: when I was about seven night.
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's really boring.
Speaker 1: It's not it's got hand. You can't.
Speaker 2: He's like, he's, yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's a treat for you.
Speaker 3: It's a really good movie. So if you're not into
Speaker 3: Star Wars, you'll like this one.
Speaker 1: Okay, try and believe you, I am recommending something that's
Speaker 1: on iView because you know there are too many streaming services.
Speaker 1: Agree this one is free and I we my family
Speaker 1: very much enjoy Guy Monk's Spelling Bee. That is our obsession,
Speaker 1: and Aaron Chance not on it anymore now it's because
Speaker 1: he's too good for the guy anyway. So we watched that,
Speaker 1: but when we run out of those, we were like,
Speaker 1: what else can we watch on here? And Brent and
Speaker 1: I have started watching Ursula, which is the new Ish
Speaker 1: stand up slash sketch show from Azula Carlson, who is
Speaker 1: a brilliant stand up comedian. She's like originally from South
Speaker 1: Africa but lives in New Zealand but is big in Australia,
Speaker 1: and she's so she's kind of like all the things.
Speaker 1: She is so funny. Now I'm gonna admit that when
Speaker 1: we first started watching this season, it's got this interesting
Speaker 1: setup where it's like half stand up half sketch. So
Speaker 1: every episode she comes out and she's like in a
Speaker 1: stand up theater and she sets something up that then
Speaker 1: plays the sketch on the big screen. Now, at first
Speaker 1: I was like, I am not gonna like this. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be a little bit cringe. Sketch comedy can
Speaker 1: be a little bit cringe, right, And I did like
Speaker 1: the hybrid. It is so good.
Speaker 2: It sketches are amazing.
Speaker 1: Is it kind of like SNL? No, it's like so
Speaker 1: she she's kind of doing a few stand up bits
Speaker 1: that obviously can to the sketch you're going to show,
Speaker 1: and then it throws to the sketch and they're properly
Speaker 1: fully produced sketches, you know, on location. She has some
Speaker 1: recurring characters, so like the sort of home for the
Speaker 1: recovering Karens, which I can see that some midlife women
Speaker 1: will find quite offensive, but personally I find hilarious.
Speaker 2: The humor is actually really clever. It is It's really
Speaker 2: it's really clever. There's there's another layer to it than
Speaker 2: what you expect.
Speaker 1: Is so at first I was thinking because and this
Speaker 1: is about internalized ages, and I think that some of this,
Speaker 1: quite a few of the gags in this series are
Speaker 1: about midlife women. It's there's a there's a detective called
Speaker 1: menopause Cop, and there's the Karens thing, and there's and
Speaker 1: sometimes there's a mid love woman be like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: going to be really cringey. But it is not she
Speaker 1: It is so good, it's so funny, it's so smart,
Speaker 1: very relatable, but just clever, clever, laugh out loud, both
Speaker 1: Brent and I just absolutely pissing out. So I love
Speaker 1: it now it's become my new treat. Watch. It's also
Speaker 1: got like Julia Morris is on it, Sampang is on.
Speaker 2: I love Sampang. He's my celebrity.
Speaker 1: Seem Hussein is on it, Melanie Braithwait is on it,
Speaker 1: bron Lewis.
Speaker 2: There are a bunch of comedians if you, for example,
Speaker 2: if you've seen any Sydney Comedy Festival, Melbourne Comedy Festival,
Speaker 2: if you've gone to anything and seen a comedian and
Speaker 2: been like, bloody hell, they're amazing. I never see them
Speaker 2: pop up anyway, they will pop up on the show
Speaker 2: and oh gosh, I watched it with my mum and
Speaker 2: we just cracked up for a really.
Speaker 1: Long Yeah, it's a really good show. And so if
Speaker 1: you want to laugh, that is my recommendation. Is the
Speaker 1: amazing Ursula. It's on ABC. I view I think the
Speaker 1: whole seasons there and yeah, it's bloody great.
Speaker 2: Cannot wait. That is all we.
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