1 00:00:10,365 --> 00:00:13,085 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mother and Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,885 --> 00:00:16,845 Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:16,885 --> 00:00:18,485 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:18,765 --> 00:00:22,085 Speaker 3: People can judge Anthony Alberanezi or they can judge me. 5 00:00:23,085 --> 00:00:25,645 Speaker 3: I can only talk from my perspective. I believe that 6 00:00:25,645 --> 00:00:27,725 Speaker 3: I'm the same person I was when I came into politics. 7 00:00:27,765 --> 00:00:30,365 Speaker 3: I mean, hopefully I'll mature in a number of ways 8 00:00:30,365 --> 00:00:35,045 Speaker 3: and different perspectives, etc. But my base being got the 9 00:00:35,085 --> 00:00:39,645 Speaker 3: same friends from school. I've always been conscious of keeping 10 00:00:39,645 --> 00:00:40,965 Speaker 3: your feet on the ground. 11 00:00:48,445 --> 00:00:49,445 Speaker 2: For Mama Mia. 12 00:00:49,565 --> 00:00:52,845 Speaker 4: You're listening to a special episode of No Filter. I'm 13 00:00:52,885 --> 00:00:56,765 Speaker 4: your host, kateline Brook. Australian women have a very big 14 00:00:56,885 --> 00:01:00,445 Speaker 4: choice to make in the coming weeks. The women of 15 00:01:00,485 --> 00:01:04,645 Speaker 4: Australia will be voting for the next Prime Minister at 16 00:01:04,685 --> 00:01:10,325 Speaker 4: a time when the world feels unpredictable, where so many 17 00:01:10,325 --> 00:01:13,125 Speaker 4: people are worried about their futures and the futures of 18 00:01:13,165 --> 00:01:16,725 Speaker 4: their children. Because our mission here at Mamma Maya is 19 00:01:16,765 --> 00:01:19,205 Speaker 4: to make the world a better place for women and girls, 20 00:01:20,325 --> 00:01:25,205 Speaker 4: We've invited both Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi and the Opposition 21 00:01:25,285 --> 00:01:27,845 Speaker 4: leader Peter Dutton onto No Filter to. 22 00:01:27,885 --> 00:01:29,645 Speaker 2: Speak directly to you. 23 00:01:30,725 --> 00:01:33,965 Speaker 4: And because this is No Filter, the conversation you're about 24 00:01:34,005 --> 00:01:38,965 Speaker 4: to hear isn't only about politics and policy positions, but 25 00:01:39,085 --> 00:01:42,605 Speaker 4: it's also about the man behind the politics, the person 26 00:01:42,685 --> 00:01:47,965 Speaker 4: who's asking for us to put our trust in them. 27 00:01:48,285 --> 00:01:52,445 Speaker 4: Here's my conversation with the leader of the Opposition, Peter Dutton. 28 00:01:54,045 --> 00:01:58,125 Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, Peter Craig Dutton, welcome. 29 00:01:57,805 --> 00:01:59,725 Speaker 1: To No Filter. It's great to be here. Thank you. 30 00:02:00,165 --> 00:02:01,245 Speaker 2: I am so. 31 00:02:03,285 --> 00:02:07,445 Speaker 4: Intrigued by you because you are a contender for the 32 00:02:07,525 --> 00:02:08,725 Speaker 4: highest job in the land. 33 00:02:10,365 --> 00:02:11,805 Speaker 2: Is it aside from governor general? 34 00:02:11,845 --> 00:02:13,085 Speaker 1: Is that side from governor general? 35 00:02:13,285 --> 00:02:17,165 Speaker 4: Aside from governor general? And yet you travel amongst us 36 00:02:18,125 --> 00:02:24,005 Speaker 4: as almost like a mythical beast because you are a 37 00:02:24,005 --> 00:02:26,045 Speaker 4: man with no nickname. 38 00:02:26,645 --> 00:02:30,805 Speaker 3: I get to DUTs. That's that's sort of the main 39 00:02:30,845 --> 00:02:34,405 Speaker 3: thing PC. From my schoolmates from high school. 40 00:02:35,245 --> 00:02:39,285 Speaker 2: Uh, what do you get Peter Craig? 41 00:02:39,445 --> 00:02:43,245 Speaker 4: All right, okay, because then you were a police constable, 42 00:02:43,405 --> 00:02:48,405 Speaker 4: you were yeah, right, Because you're very intriguing in the 43 00:02:48,405 --> 00:02:52,165 Speaker 4: sense that if you look at the political landscape, which 44 00:02:52,205 --> 00:02:54,565 Speaker 4: most of us don't get to do with kind of 45 00:02:55,125 --> 00:03:00,885 Speaker 4: any you know, microscopic detail. I know the shape of 46 00:03:01,765 --> 00:03:05,685 Speaker 4: Albanesi who's the Prime Minister. But I do not know 47 00:03:05,885 --> 00:03:09,765 Speaker 4: the shape of you. And when I speak to are 48 00:03:09,765 --> 00:03:16,045 Speaker 4: the friends. It's a very common kind of relationship that 49 00:03:16,085 --> 00:03:19,485 Speaker 4: people have with you. Why do you think that is? 50 00:03:20,845 --> 00:03:24,805 Speaker 3: I think it's true of most contenders for this office 51 00:03:24,885 --> 00:03:29,405 Speaker 3: because the public just don't have a day to day 52 00:03:29,965 --> 00:03:33,565 Speaker 3: interest in politics. It's just it's part of our culture. 53 00:03:33,565 --> 00:03:35,765 Speaker 3: And when people see it on TV, they flip the channel, 54 00:03:35,845 --> 00:03:38,925 Speaker 3: or they're annoyed by the discussion, or ones as bad 55 00:03:38,965 --> 00:03:42,125 Speaker 3: as the other, or it's a boring conversation, not relevant 56 00:03:42,165 --> 00:03:45,365 Speaker 3: to me. And it's not until people start to sharpen 57 00:03:45,365 --> 00:03:48,165 Speaker 3: their focus and think about in some cases not until 58 00:03:48,205 --> 00:03:51,045 Speaker 3: the dying hours of a campaign about who they're going. 59 00:03:50,965 --> 00:03:51,485 Speaker 1: To vote for. 60 00:03:51,605 --> 00:03:58,365 Speaker 3: So and if you're a reality TV star, as is 61 00:03:58,405 --> 00:04:00,325 Speaker 3: the case in the US, then I guess you're a 62 00:04:00,365 --> 00:04:01,125 Speaker 3: household name. 63 00:04:01,165 --> 00:04:04,645 Speaker 1: But here I don't think that's generally the case. 64 00:04:05,005 --> 00:04:09,125 Speaker 4: I ask because you know, there's the perception of you 65 00:04:09,405 --> 00:04:14,765 Speaker 4: as being like a formidable kind of like a darkish 66 00:04:14,805 --> 00:04:16,325 Speaker 4: sort of figure. 67 00:04:15,685 --> 00:04:15,845 Speaker 1: Yes. 68 00:04:17,645 --> 00:04:20,965 Speaker 4: And this amazing thing happened to me last week when 69 00:04:20,965 --> 00:04:24,605 Speaker 4: I was at the Kylie concert right in Melbourne, and 70 00:04:24,645 --> 00:04:27,685 Speaker 4: this guy came up to me and he said, I 71 00:04:27,725 --> 00:04:30,045 Speaker 4: won't say his name, but you'll be able to work 72 00:04:30,085 --> 00:04:32,365 Speaker 4: out who it is or anyway. And he ended up 73 00:04:32,405 --> 00:04:34,525 Speaker 4: saying to me he was there with his partner and 74 00:04:34,565 --> 00:04:37,765 Speaker 4: he said, I'm a politician and I said, oh, that's interesting. 75 00:04:37,765 --> 00:04:40,245 Speaker 4: My brother's a politician. He goes, I know your brother. 76 00:04:40,405 --> 00:04:47,605 Speaker 4: My brother's in the Liberal Party in Queensland. And I 77 00:04:47,725 --> 00:04:51,925 Speaker 4: told him that I was interviewing you, and he said, well, 78 00:04:52,005 --> 00:04:56,525 Speaker 4: I don't sit on that side of the aisle, but 79 00:04:56,645 --> 00:04:58,165 Speaker 4: you're going to love Peter Darton. 80 00:04:59,125 --> 00:05:01,485 Speaker 1: And I was like, that was going very bad. 81 00:05:01,885 --> 00:05:04,685 Speaker 4: Second, how bizarre, because I'm like, mate, you are high 82 00:05:04,685 --> 00:05:05,405 Speaker 4: on Kylie. 83 00:05:06,205 --> 00:05:07,085 Speaker 2: What's going to happen? 84 00:05:07,445 --> 00:05:10,005 Speaker 4: And then his partner said to me, you said, I'm 85 00:05:10,045 --> 00:05:12,485 Speaker 4: so left, I'm nearly not even on the same page. 86 00:05:13,445 --> 00:05:16,805 Speaker 4: But if I was lost, Peter Dutton is the man 87 00:05:16,845 --> 00:05:18,205 Speaker 4: that I would want looking for me. 88 00:05:18,965 --> 00:05:19,685 Speaker 1: That's very kind. 89 00:05:20,205 --> 00:05:25,205 Speaker 4: Now. That was extraordinary to me only because it was 90 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:30,365 Speaker 4: so at odds with what the. 91 00:05:28,925 --> 00:05:30,925 Speaker 2: I'm going to say, the public perception of no I. 92 00:05:30,925 --> 00:05:32,445 Speaker 3: Think it's a fair point, and I think you get 93 00:05:32,485 --> 00:05:36,605 Speaker 3: painted in a particular way, and sometimes you can be 94 00:05:36,645 --> 00:05:37,605 Speaker 3: your own worst enemy. 95 00:05:37,645 --> 00:05:41,645 Speaker 1: And I've had roles which are pretty tough roles. 96 00:05:41,365 --> 00:05:47,765 Speaker 3: And that shapes how people perceive you. And in a 97 00:05:47,845 --> 00:05:50,045 Speaker 3: six second grab on the TV of a nighttime where 98 00:05:50,085 --> 00:05:53,965 Speaker 3: you're trying to deliver a blow to your political opponent, 99 00:05:55,085 --> 00:05:57,365 Speaker 3: that's different than if you're doing a long form interview 100 00:05:57,445 --> 00:06:01,205 Speaker 3: or you're doing a breakfast TV segment and you're able 101 00:06:01,205 --> 00:06:05,045 Speaker 3: to joke and show the true side. And I've also 102 00:06:05,125 --> 00:06:08,085 Speaker 3: been a very private person. I sort of sound strange, 103 00:06:08,125 --> 00:06:12,445 Speaker 3: but I don't enjoy talking about my childhood and my 104 00:06:12,605 --> 00:06:15,205 Speaker 3: family and the rest of it. It's a given, it's 105 00:06:15,205 --> 00:06:18,445 Speaker 3: a must because of this job. You're in the public eye, 106 00:06:18,445 --> 00:06:20,805 Speaker 3: so you have no choice. But maybe because of that, 107 00:06:21,005 --> 00:06:24,365 Speaker 3: I haven't sort of opened up enough over the years 108 00:06:24,405 --> 00:06:28,885 Speaker 3: about you know, my background, who I am, what has 109 00:06:28,965 --> 00:06:31,805 Speaker 3: influenced me. And more of that story has come out 110 00:06:31,845 --> 00:06:34,845 Speaker 3: over the last couple of years, and it's amazing how 111 00:06:34,845 --> 00:06:37,765 Speaker 3: many people have that exact conversation. They stop you at 112 00:06:37,765 --> 00:06:40,205 Speaker 3: an airport or a shopping center and say, you know, 113 00:06:40,245 --> 00:06:41,845 Speaker 3: I saw you on this or heard you on that, 114 00:06:42,125 --> 00:06:44,245 Speaker 3: and just completely different than I. 115 00:06:44,205 --> 00:06:44,965 Speaker 1: Thought you were. 116 00:06:45,165 --> 00:06:48,685 Speaker 3: And so's it's funny how people can tell it. So 117 00:06:48,805 --> 00:06:51,605 Speaker 3: I remember in twenty eighteen when we had a leadership 118 00:06:51,685 --> 00:06:55,045 Speaker 3: change and Malcolm left the Prime ministership. I remember thinking 119 00:06:55,085 --> 00:06:57,765 Speaker 3: at that stage, if I leave politics now, I'm sort 120 00:06:57,805 --> 00:07:02,525 Speaker 3: of disappointed because people won't ever truly know who I am. 121 00:07:02,645 --> 00:07:04,205 Speaker 1: And that's sort. 122 00:07:04,005 --> 00:07:07,165 Speaker 2: Of ad You had the sense of that then. 123 00:07:07,125 --> 00:07:11,725 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, and I thought, you know, people, I'll 124 00:07:11,765 --> 00:07:13,765 Speaker 3: be recorded in history sort of this dark figure, as 125 00:07:13,765 --> 00:07:16,645 Speaker 3: you say, and that's actually not who I am. And 126 00:07:16,805 --> 00:07:19,125 Speaker 3: fortunately since that time, people have been able to see, 127 00:07:19,685 --> 00:07:23,005 Speaker 3: you know, more of me, more of my views, my 128 00:07:23,085 --> 00:07:26,365 Speaker 3: background and all of that. So yeah, it's been an 129 00:07:26,405 --> 00:07:27,285 Speaker 3: interesting transition. 130 00:07:27,525 --> 00:07:31,285 Speaker 4: Well, the background that you don't like talking about eldest 131 00:07:31,285 --> 00:07:33,085 Speaker 4: of five kids, eldest. 132 00:07:32,725 --> 00:07:36,005 Speaker 1: Of five, least favorite, the youngest. 133 00:07:36,085 --> 00:07:39,245 Speaker 4: Right, I have four children, and in our family, the 134 00:07:39,325 --> 00:07:42,725 Speaker 4: kids will believe the youngest is my favorite, but the 135 00:07:42,765 --> 00:07:47,925 Speaker 4: eldest often has responsibility heaped upon them. What was your family? 136 00:07:48,285 --> 00:07:51,845 Speaker 3: Curely has this great theory about your wi my wife 137 00:07:51,965 --> 00:07:55,885 Speaker 3: about birth order and where you are sort of you know, 138 00:07:56,485 --> 00:07:57,805 Speaker 3: determines who you are. 139 00:07:57,805 --> 00:08:01,165 Speaker 1: Et cetera. So but anyway, that aside, so what does 140 00:08:01,245 --> 00:08:01,525 Speaker 1: hang on? 141 00:08:01,645 --> 00:08:04,685 Speaker 2: What does she say in part. 142 00:08:04,645 --> 00:08:09,005 Speaker 3: That the firstborn. 143 00:08:10,565 --> 00:08:12,485 Speaker 1: Believe that they can rule the world or something like. 144 00:08:12,445 --> 00:08:15,845 Speaker 3: That, and the real and this and this. I should 145 00:08:15,845 --> 00:08:20,045 Speaker 3: listen more intently actually to what she's telling me. But 146 00:08:20,045 --> 00:08:22,925 Speaker 3: but it's it's it basically talks about the you know, 147 00:08:22,965 --> 00:08:26,485 Speaker 3: the role of the youngest and uh and and and 148 00:08:26,485 --> 00:08:28,685 Speaker 3: that was I suppose in terms of my experience that 149 00:08:29,085 --> 00:08:32,085 Speaker 3: it was ten years between me and my youngest sister. 150 00:08:32,445 --> 00:08:36,845 Speaker 3: So and I, you know, I grew up in a 151 00:08:36,885 --> 00:08:40,125 Speaker 3: family of five and with dad working with mum. 152 00:08:40,565 --> 00:08:43,005 Speaker 2: But what did your dad? Was your dad a building. 153 00:08:43,205 --> 00:08:46,525 Speaker 3: Bricklayer and then was a bright and yeah, work worked 154 00:08:46,565 --> 00:08:50,165 Speaker 3: really hard, set a good example. And mum was originally 155 00:08:50,205 --> 00:08:54,165 Speaker 3: a secretary and then took in kids, so did daycare, 156 00:08:54,245 --> 00:08:57,645 Speaker 3: family daycare morning and afternoon, before and after school before 157 00:08:57,965 --> 00:09:00,405 Speaker 3: you know, that was a thing. And then she went 158 00:09:00,445 --> 00:09:03,885 Speaker 3: into child care. And so that that meant, you know, 159 00:09:04,005 --> 00:09:07,165 Speaker 3: that home, we were all expected to, you know, by 160 00:09:07,165 --> 00:09:09,805 Speaker 3: the clean up the dishes, clear the plates or so 161 00:09:09,845 --> 00:09:12,765 Speaker 3: it was a discipline to do the folding or whatever 162 00:09:12,765 --> 00:09:15,645 Speaker 3: it was or in my case, you know, and I 163 00:09:15,685 --> 00:09:18,085 Speaker 3: finally remember it. I probably griped about it at the time, 164 00:09:18,085 --> 00:09:20,845 Speaker 3: but you're changing nappies and feeding you know, the baby 165 00:09:20,845 --> 00:09:23,765 Speaker 3: who's ten years younger, they're you, et cetera. And you know, 166 00:09:24,285 --> 00:09:29,245 Speaker 3: lugging her around on your hip. So that was that 167 00:09:29,365 --> 00:09:32,485 Speaker 3: was my experience. And I've got an amazing siblings, so very 168 00:09:32,485 --> 00:09:32,805 Speaker 3: proud of. 169 00:09:32,845 --> 00:09:37,045 Speaker 4: Them, you know. It's and then you became a copper, yes, 170 00:09:37,285 --> 00:09:39,445 Speaker 4: and you became a copper when you were quite young. 171 00:09:39,325 --> 00:09:40,165 Speaker 1: When I was about nineteen. 172 00:09:40,245 --> 00:09:43,125 Speaker 2: Yeah, And how did that idea occur to you? 173 00:09:43,205 --> 00:09:45,525 Speaker 3: Well, there's a great photo I think when I was 174 00:09:45,525 --> 00:09:51,365 Speaker 3: at kindy and fully dressed in the police uniform with a. 175 00:09:50,245 --> 00:09:51,045 Speaker 1: Gun on the side. 176 00:09:51,085 --> 00:09:53,405 Speaker 3: And so I think I'd always had an interest or 177 00:09:53,405 --> 00:09:58,245 Speaker 3: a fascination at a young age. But Mum convinced me 178 00:09:58,325 --> 00:10:01,325 Speaker 3: rightly that I should go to UNI. No one had 179 00:10:01,325 --> 00:10:04,285 Speaker 3: been to UNI in the family. And I did that 180 00:10:04,325 --> 00:10:07,925 Speaker 3: for about for two years, and then I deferred and 181 00:10:08,125 --> 00:10:10,125 Speaker 3: I came back and finished at part time as a 182 00:10:10,245 --> 00:10:11,405 Speaker 3: Bachelor of Business degree. 183 00:10:11,445 --> 00:10:13,765 Speaker 1: But I'd always wanted to go into the police. 184 00:10:13,925 --> 00:10:17,165 Speaker 3: I never sort of thought of myself as sitting in 185 00:10:17,245 --> 00:10:20,605 Speaker 3: an office nine to five, and I liked the idea 186 00:10:21,765 --> 00:10:24,085 Speaker 3: of policing and that it was fast moving. You didn't 187 00:10:24,125 --> 00:10:27,045 Speaker 3: know what the next radio corp would be, didn't know 188 00:10:27,085 --> 00:10:28,845 Speaker 3: what was on the other side of that door, and 189 00:10:28,965 --> 00:10:34,525 Speaker 3: so I felt that that was for me. 190 00:10:38,445 --> 00:10:41,285 Speaker 4: There's more to my conversation with Peter Dutton coming up. 191 00:10:41,565 --> 00:10:44,205 Speaker 4: He tells me about what he saw as a police 192 00:10:44,205 --> 00:10:48,085 Speaker 4: officer that has shaped his politics and what he can 193 00:10:48,125 --> 00:10:48,725 Speaker 4: do about. 194 00:10:48,485 --> 00:10:50,765 Speaker 2: The housing market. Do I go anywhere? 195 00:10:54,365 --> 00:10:56,765 Speaker 4: I read this thing once that if you look at 196 00:10:56,805 --> 00:11:02,085 Speaker 4: the sort of socioeconomic background of cops, it often resembles criminals. 197 00:11:02,805 --> 00:11:06,805 Speaker 4: So it's really that they come from very similar backgrounds 198 00:11:06,805 --> 00:11:10,805 Speaker 4: on the segment, they've just chosen diametric opposed paths. 199 00:11:11,365 --> 00:11:16,605 Speaker 2: When you're a cop, what did you learn from it 200 00:11:16,925 --> 00:11:18,725 Speaker 2: that you've brought with you? Now? 201 00:11:19,725 --> 00:11:26,605 Speaker 3: I led a very happy childhood growing up, so I'd 202 00:11:26,645 --> 00:11:30,805 Speaker 3: never experienced drug use or I'd never seen domestic violence. 203 00:11:31,605 --> 00:11:36,245 Speaker 3: That that wasn't you know, our environment. So I grew 204 00:11:36,325 --> 00:11:40,285 Speaker 3: up I think naively, and you know, my eyes were 205 00:11:40,965 --> 00:11:48,045 Speaker 3: like sources and first shift and seeing you know, some 206 00:11:48,085 --> 00:11:50,965 Speaker 3: of the horrific things that you see, delivering death messages, 207 00:11:51,005 --> 00:11:53,925 Speaker 3: the domestic violence, the motor. 208 00:11:53,725 --> 00:11:56,565 Speaker 1: Vehicle accents, the kids, all of that. 209 00:11:56,805 --> 00:12:00,005 Speaker 3: I think, I think you just grow up overnight and 210 00:12:00,805 --> 00:12:03,725 Speaker 3: as a nineteen twenty year old being exposed to all 211 00:12:03,765 --> 00:12:08,525 Speaker 3: of that, and I'd also, yeah, I'd wanted to stay 212 00:12:08,525 --> 00:12:11,005 Speaker 3: in Brisbane, had a friend in Brisbane, but when I 213 00:12:11,045 --> 00:12:13,525 Speaker 3: graduated from the academy, I got posted to towns Or, 214 00:12:13,565 --> 00:12:16,525 Speaker 3: which is sort of traumatic at the time but fantastic 215 00:12:16,565 --> 00:12:17,885 Speaker 3: because it made me. 216 00:12:17,845 --> 00:12:23,125 Speaker 1: Grow up being away from home and yeah, it's confronting. 217 00:12:23,165 --> 00:12:27,085 Speaker 3: So I think you still you carry that experience, those 218 00:12:27,125 --> 00:12:31,005 Speaker 3: images with you and it's part of the reason that 219 00:12:31,125 --> 00:12:35,405 Speaker 3: I really concentrated, particularly in the Immigration and Home Affairs portfolios, 220 00:12:35,445 --> 00:12:39,845 Speaker 3: on protecting women and children, and that was important to me. 221 00:12:39,885 --> 00:12:42,525 Speaker 3: When I first came into Parliament, I was really passionate 222 00:12:42,525 --> 00:12:45,885 Speaker 3: about a case where a young baby had been abducted 223 00:12:46,085 --> 00:12:48,925 Speaker 3: in Queensland and it's sort of quite a famous case, 224 00:12:49,605 --> 00:12:52,925 Speaker 3: Didrew Kennedy abduction, And I'd worked with Fay, her mother, 225 00:12:53,405 --> 00:12:55,605 Speaker 3: and there was a great, great injustice in that family, 226 00:12:55,645 --> 00:12:58,725 Speaker 3: and I'd worked on that job just very briefly as 227 00:12:58,765 --> 00:13:04,165 Speaker 3: a surveillance officer, and I was very passionate about that 228 00:13:04,605 --> 00:13:07,085 Speaker 3: and changing that law and ended up getting the law 229 00:13:07,165 --> 00:13:10,845 Speaker 3: modernized in relation to DNA technology. And I think it's 230 00:13:10,845 --> 00:13:14,085 Speaker 3: probably in part what caught John Howard's eye early on, 231 00:13:14,125 --> 00:13:16,765 Speaker 3: because I was fortunate enough to be promoted into the 232 00:13:16,765 --> 00:13:21,325 Speaker 3: ministry after just one term and still quite young and 233 00:13:21,365 --> 00:13:25,485 Speaker 3: still yeah, I was thirty three, I guess something like that. 234 00:13:25,605 --> 00:13:29,525 Speaker 3: And so yeah, I mean I've always felt passionate about that. 235 00:13:29,605 --> 00:13:33,125 Speaker 3: I just I believe with kids, and young girls in particular, 236 00:13:33,165 --> 00:13:38,205 Speaker 3: that robbing that innocence of their childhood and not allowing 237 00:13:38,205 --> 00:13:44,645 Speaker 3: them to, you know, to enjoy their childhood their development. 238 00:13:45,605 --> 00:13:48,565 Speaker 3: I just I always found that very horrific really, and 239 00:13:49,005 --> 00:13:52,525 Speaker 3: similarly for women going into it. I remember going into 240 00:13:52,565 --> 00:13:57,965 Speaker 3: countless domestic violence scenes and you know, blood everywhere, kids 241 00:13:58,165 --> 00:14:04,005 Speaker 3: clinging onto mom's legs or even dad's legs. All of 242 00:14:04,045 --> 00:14:05,725 Speaker 3: that is you know, I mean, you can't help but 243 00:14:05,725 --> 00:14:08,005 Speaker 3: be affected by that. And that's not something that I 244 00:14:08,045 --> 00:14:08,885 Speaker 3: grew up with. 245 00:14:08,965 --> 00:14:11,845 Speaker 1: And I just thought for. 246 00:14:13,485 --> 00:14:16,885 Speaker 3: A woman in particular, not feeling safe in that home 247 00:14:17,005 --> 00:14:20,725 Speaker 3: environment that had been the refuge for me and my 248 00:14:20,885 --> 00:14:25,005 Speaker 3: safe space growing up. If you don't feel safe there 249 00:14:24,765 --> 00:14:27,805 Speaker 3: where could you feel safe? And And so yeah, I 250 00:14:27,805 --> 00:14:31,165 Speaker 3: mean that's that's been a lifetime passion of mine and 251 00:14:31,765 --> 00:14:36,485 Speaker 3: it's one of the areas if I am fortunate enough 252 00:14:36,485 --> 00:14:38,525 Speaker 3: to become Prime Minister that I really want to concentrate 253 00:14:38,565 --> 00:14:38,725 Speaker 3: on it. 254 00:14:38,765 --> 00:14:42,325 Speaker 1: I just don't think we do well enough in our country. 255 00:14:42,165 --> 00:14:45,885 Speaker 4: Do you. So a lot of these issues that lead 256 00:14:45,925 --> 00:14:51,965 Speaker 4: to domestic violence, for instance, become systemic, so you know, poverty, 257 00:14:52,165 --> 00:14:56,365 Speaker 4: or a whole lot of you know, drug abuse, et cetera. 258 00:14:57,685 --> 00:15:03,405 Speaker 4: How there's a there's a reliance on the government to 259 00:15:04,405 --> 00:15:09,845 Speaker 4: correct faults that lie at a at a for merely level, 260 00:15:09,965 --> 00:15:14,165 Speaker 4: or at a relationship level. And yet the Liberal Party 261 00:15:14,285 --> 00:15:17,925 Speaker 4: is not generally the party that people think of that 262 00:15:18,005 --> 00:15:19,605 Speaker 4: are compassionate in that area. 263 00:15:19,845 --> 00:15:23,125 Speaker 1: Well, it's funny. I think that's probably a fair conclusion. 264 00:15:23,205 --> 00:15:26,445 Speaker 3: But when you look at what we did when we 265 00:15:26,445 --> 00:15:30,805 Speaker 3: were in government, the programs that we funded, particularly over COVID, 266 00:15:30,845 --> 00:15:34,045 Speaker 3: where we were really concerned about people being stuck at 267 00:15:34,045 --> 00:15:39,285 Speaker 3: home together in relationships that probably work because both parties 268 00:15:39,285 --> 00:15:43,965 Speaker 3: are working for long hours and not spending every working 269 00:15:44,005 --> 00:15:47,005 Speaker 3: hour together. And so we put a lot into that, 270 00:15:47,925 --> 00:15:52,405 Speaker 3: into programs that into NGOs and provided support around housing, 271 00:15:52,845 --> 00:15:59,005 Speaker 3: around support for women in those situations. So, yeah, I 272 00:15:59,085 --> 00:16:05,845 Speaker 3: made a particular focus on canceling visas when I had 273 00:16:05,845 --> 00:16:12,165 Speaker 3: that responsibility of people who are perpetrated domestic violence, pedophiles, 274 00:16:12,325 --> 00:16:15,685 Speaker 3: people who had sexually assaulted women and children, you know, 275 00:16:15,765 --> 00:16:20,845 Speaker 3: drug dealers and others, and I remember each of those 276 00:16:20,885 --> 00:16:23,365 Speaker 3: cases as you're looking at it, there are six or 277 00:16:23,405 --> 00:16:28,165 Speaker 3: eight victims before you're dealing with the case, and you think, 278 00:16:28,565 --> 00:16:32,405 Speaker 3: if this decision had been made earlier, you know, those 279 00:16:32,485 --> 00:16:36,125 Speaker 3: Australian citizens wouldn't have fallen prey to that pedophile or 280 00:16:36,125 --> 00:16:40,405 Speaker 3: that individual. And there's a sense of satisfaction in doing that, 281 00:16:40,405 --> 00:16:42,845 Speaker 3: even though it's a tough decision to make to deport 282 00:16:42,925 --> 00:16:46,205 Speaker 3: someone from the country, but particularly when they've got their 283 00:16:46,205 --> 00:16:48,565 Speaker 3: own family. But you also do it with the knowledge 284 00:16:48,565 --> 00:16:50,565 Speaker 3: that they're not going on to offend against the next 285 00:16:51,005 --> 00:16:54,165 Speaker 3: girl and against the next woman, et cetera, et cetera. 286 00:16:54,325 --> 00:16:56,485 Speaker 1: So when you look at that, and. 287 00:16:58,045 --> 00:16:59,845 Speaker 3: I think it's hard then to reconcile that we're not 288 00:17:00,445 --> 00:17:04,005 Speaker 3: compassionate or that we don't have a focus as members 289 00:17:04,005 --> 00:17:07,085 Speaker 3: of the Liberal Party on protecting women or putting in 290 00:17:07,085 --> 00:17:09,085 Speaker 3: place better arrangements. 291 00:17:09,845 --> 00:17:15,965 Speaker 4: Because you have a very beautiful family. You have a 292 00:17:16,005 --> 00:17:20,485 Speaker 4: modern family in the sense that it's well documented that 293 00:17:20,605 --> 00:17:24,285 Speaker 4: your daughter has it yet that Rebecca has a different mum, 294 00:17:24,685 --> 00:17:26,685 Speaker 4: but Kiralyi has been a mum to her. You've got 295 00:17:26,685 --> 00:17:34,645 Speaker 4: two sons. Also, you've done extremely well in business. Your 296 00:17:34,645 --> 00:17:38,765 Speaker 4: wife has also done well in business. When you come 297 00:17:38,965 --> 00:17:45,805 Speaker 4: from a position of being extremely comfortable how do you 298 00:17:46,285 --> 00:17:51,285 Speaker 4: still read the rest of the country. Because politicians love 299 00:17:51,365 --> 00:17:55,485 Speaker 4: to say Australians are doing it tough without an acknowledgment 300 00:17:55,525 --> 00:17:58,045 Speaker 4: that the reason that we may be doing it tough 301 00:17:58,125 --> 00:18:00,005 Speaker 4: is because of things that you have done. 302 00:18:00,765 --> 00:18:01,485 Speaker 1: That's a fair point. 303 00:18:02,325 --> 00:18:06,885 Speaker 3: Look, people can judge, you know, Anthony Alberanezi, or they 304 00:18:06,885 --> 00:18:10,045 Speaker 3: can judge me. I can only talk from my perspective. 305 00:18:11,605 --> 00:18:13,445 Speaker 3: I believe that I'm the same person I was when 306 00:18:13,445 --> 00:18:15,365 Speaker 3: I came into politics. I mean, hopefully I'll mature it 307 00:18:15,365 --> 00:18:18,605 Speaker 3: in a number of ways and different perspectives, et cetera. 308 00:18:18,725 --> 00:18:25,765 Speaker 3: But my base, you know, being my I've got the 309 00:18:25,805 --> 00:18:30,365 Speaker 3: same friends from school. I've always been conscious of keeping 310 00:18:30,365 --> 00:18:32,725 Speaker 3: your feet on the ground and and you know, I've 311 00:18:32,725 --> 00:18:37,765 Speaker 3: never forgotten growing up in a bigger family or in 312 00:18:37,805 --> 00:18:40,725 Speaker 3: an environment where you know, there were arguments about money 313 00:18:41,165 --> 00:18:43,645 Speaker 3: and there wasn't enough money to pay the bills. And 314 00:18:43,885 --> 00:18:46,445 Speaker 3: Dad was a builder, as I say, worked his guts out, 315 00:18:46,485 --> 00:18:48,725 Speaker 3: but he could price ten jobs. 316 00:18:48,405 --> 00:18:49,005 Speaker 1: And get none. 317 00:18:49,325 --> 00:18:52,405 Speaker 3: And you know, when the economy turned, he could price 318 00:18:52,485 --> 00:18:57,005 Speaker 3: ten and get ten. And you know, I mean I 319 00:18:57,045 --> 00:19:01,085 Speaker 3: went to work part time after school every day because 320 00:19:01,605 --> 00:19:06,525 Speaker 3: I had always, from a young age, wanted to you know, 321 00:19:06,605 --> 00:19:12,485 Speaker 3: be financially successful and and so I've never forgotten those 322 00:19:12,645 --> 00:19:16,445 Speaker 3: routes that I never will and I think that's demonstrated 323 00:19:16,445 --> 00:19:18,965 Speaker 3: in a number of the decisions that I've made and 324 00:19:18,965 --> 00:19:22,565 Speaker 3: different portfolios. And I would want to bring that to 325 00:19:22,845 --> 00:19:24,245 Speaker 3: the office of Prime Minister as well. 326 00:19:24,445 --> 00:19:30,765 Speaker 4: Okay, my slight issue with that is that the times 327 00:19:30,805 --> 00:19:34,525 Speaker 4: are so different now, and the times are different now 328 00:19:34,565 --> 00:19:39,125 Speaker 4: because of policies that governments have implemented over the years. 329 00:19:39,805 --> 00:19:43,565 Speaker 4: For instance, you could buy a house when you were nineteen, correct, 330 00:19:43,765 --> 00:19:47,965 Speaker 4: whereas many Australians now will never be able to buy 331 00:19:48,005 --> 00:19:54,125 Speaker 4: a house. So the times are different. You can't work 332 00:19:54,205 --> 00:19:57,885 Speaker 4: your way, you know. And I have much respect for 333 00:19:57,965 --> 00:20:00,205 Speaker 4: your work ethic, by the way, and I don't think 334 00:20:00,285 --> 00:20:04,045 Speaker 4: work probably gets the respect that it deserves and the 335 00:20:04,125 --> 00:20:06,645 Speaker 4: role that it plays in people's lives. 336 00:20:06,885 --> 00:20:08,365 Speaker 2: But what so. 337 00:20:09,885 --> 00:20:14,485 Speaker 4: My question is really on a policy level. It seems 338 00:20:14,525 --> 00:20:17,405 Speaker 4: to me, and you alluded to this earlier, that people 339 00:20:17,405 --> 00:20:19,605 Speaker 4: don't see a difference between the parties, and in fact 340 00:20:19,965 --> 00:20:23,205 Speaker 4: UNI party seems to be a prevalent sort of thing. 341 00:20:24,285 --> 00:20:29,965 Speaker 4: Government loves big Australia, but most Australians don't love big Australia. 342 00:20:30,645 --> 00:20:33,365 Speaker 4: But Governments love big Australia because it means, you know, 343 00:20:33,685 --> 00:20:38,325 Speaker 4: more taxes and more growth, and banks love big Australia 344 00:20:38,365 --> 00:20:41,125 Speaker 4: and building companies love big Australia. 345 00:20:41,925 --> 00:20:44,085 Speaker 2: How do you reconcile. 346 00:20:44,885 --> 00:20:50,325 Speaker 4: That inclination towards satisfying the business end of town versus 347 00:20:50,365 --> 00:20:51,765 Speaker 4: what Australians want. 348 00:20:52,805 --> 00:20:55,845 Speaker 1: Well, it's a huge issue because a couple of points. One. 349 00:20:55,965 --> 00:20:58,725 Speaker 3: I don't think we plan well enough in this country 350 00:20:58,725 --> 00:21:03,005 Speaker 3: for migration movements, and we've got a natural instinct to 351 00:21:03,005 --> 00:21:07,685 Speaker 3: want to live closer to the coast, and the government's 352 00:21:07,725 --> 00:21:10,965 Speaker 3: bringing in in their migration program about a population in 353 00:21:10,965 --> 00:21:13,245 Speaker 3: the same size as Adelaide over the course of a 354 00:21:13,285 --> 00:21:15,725 Speaker 3: five year period, which is a lot of people. When 355 00:21:15,765 --> 00:21:17,605 Speaker 3: you stop and think about that, we're not building the 356 00:21:17,645 --> 00:21:20,485 Speaker 3: extra hospitals and the extra capacity at. 357 00:21:21,885 --> 00:21:26,645 Speaker 1: Schools and in GP clinics, et cetera. 358 00:21:27,645 --> 00:21:30,965 Speaker 3: So I think we do plan really poorly in this 359 00:21:31,005 --> 00:21:34,045 Speaker 3: country and it's part of the reason why this perfect 360 00:21:34,085 --> 00:21:39,325 Speaker 3: storm has percolated. Because we've got Australians who are lining 361 00:21:39,405 --> 00:21:42,045 Speaker 3: up to rent a property, paying tweeks or for rent. 362 00:21:42,045 --> 00:21:45,325 Speaker 3: They can't get a front of their own head. Young 363 00:21:45,365 --> 00:21:48,245 Speaker 3: people are lining up at auctions and expected to pay 364 00:21:48,245 --> 00:21:51,045 Speaker 3: five hundred thousand dollars over the reserve price to get 365 00:21:51,125 --> 00:21:56,045 Speaker 3: a basic house. And so you know, I get that. 366 00:21:56,125 --> 00:21:59,365 Speaker 3: And the reason that I'm passionate about making sure that 367 00:21:59,405 --> 00:22:02,405 Speaker 3: we allow people to realize that dream of home ownership 368 00:22:02,405 --> 00:22:04,725 Speaker 3: again is that I just think with a house, you've 369 00:22:04,765 --> 00:22:08,965 Speaker 3: got or you're a unit, but with accommodation, you've got stability. 370 00:22:09,605 --> 00:22:11,725 Speaker 3: I think it's good for a relationship. I think it's 371 00:22:11,765 --> 00:22:16,845 Speaker 3: good stability when you have when kids come along, you 372 00:22:16,965 --> 00:22:18,365 Speaker 3: get if you can get to the point where you've 373 00:22:18,365 --> 00:22:21,325 Speaker 3: paid the houself by retirement, you can enjoy the hard 374 00:22:21,325 --> 00:22:25,045 Speaker 3: work that you've spoken about, enjoy your life because of 375 00:22:25,085 --> 00:22:26,245 Speaker 3: the hard work you've spoken about. 376 00:22:26,285 --> 00:22:27,805 Speaker 1: I think you've then. 377 00:22:27,725 --> 00:22:29,845 Speaker 3: Got an asset that's grown in value to give to 378 00:22:29,885 --> 00:22:31,845 Speaker 3: your kids or your grandkids and set them up right. 379 00:22:31,925 --> 00:22:34,325 Speaker 3: So so housing that's why it's such a. 380 00:22:34,285 --> 00:22:37,845 Speaker 4: Love lulture that you think you need to tell me 381 00:22:37,925 --> 00:22:38,645 Speaker 4: how great did you do? 382 00:22:40,045 --> 00:22:42,005 Speaker 3: But I think I think it's important because I think 383 00:22:42,045 --> 00:22:44,005 Speaker 3: a lot of people when you look at and the 384 00:22:44,125 --> 00:22:45,845 Speaker 3: sort of a long way of answering your question about 385 00:22:45,845 --> 00:22:49,525 Speaker 3: there's different views. We've got an amazing migrant population in 386 00:22:49,565 --> 00:22:51,925 Speaker 3: our country. When you speak to many people from different 387 00:22:51,925 --> 00:22:55,645 Speaker 3: migrant communities. They say, please, could we bring our parents 388 00:22:55,805 --> 00:23:01,325 Speaker 3: or you know, the remaining three sisters or brothers from 389 00:23:01,365 --> 00:23:04,205 Speaker 3: our from our family. And so they want a bigger 390 00:23:04,205 --> 00:23:08,045 Speaker 3: migration program, and business, as you say, wants to bring 391 00:23:08,085 --> 00:23:10,845 Speaker 3: more people in because they think they can't get the 392 00:23:10,845 --> 00:23:15,205 Speaker 3: workforce without that migrant workforce. So we've got to make 393 00:23:15,245 --> 00:23:17,965 Speaker 3: sure there's supply of housing. We've got to take care 394 00:23:18,005 --> 00:23:22,005 Speaker 3: of Australians first, including people who have just become Australian citizens, 395 00:23:22,685 --> 00:23:25,245 Speaker 3: and make sure they don't lose the dream of home ownership. 396 00:23:25,325 --> 00:23:29,125 Speaker 3: And we've got an aging population like what most Western democracies, 397 00:23:29,165 --> 00:23:33,645 Speaker 3: so or communities and economies, and so we've got to 398 00:23:33,645 --> 00:23:35,565 Speaker 3: get that balance right, and we haven't got it right. 399 00:23:35,965 --> 00:23:38,725 Speaker 3: The supply side of housing have sort of dried up, 400 00:23:38,725 --> 00:23:41,325 Speaker 3: and you've got this big demand with the migration program. 401 00:23:41,645 --> 00:23:43,605 Speaker 3: And we've said that we should chill out a bit 402 00:23:43,605 --> 00:23:45,565 Speaker 3: on that for a couple of years until we can 403 00:23:45,645 --> 00:23:49,045 Speaker 3: recalibrate the two because otherwise that dream of home ownership 404 00:23:49,125 --> 00:23:50,645 Speaker 3: is just going to get further and further away. 405 00:23:51,045 --> 00:23:52,525 Speaker 1: But you look at. 406 00:23:53,445 --> 00:23:55,925 Speaker 3: Every time you jump into an uber or go to 407 00:23:56,445 --> 00:24:01,365 Speaker 3: a service station of seven eleven or tradees. Now there's 408 00:24:01,365 --> 00:24:03,245 Speaker 3: a big migrant element to all of that. And they're 409 00:24:03,245 --> 00:24:06,005 Speaker 3: not people have come from riches. These are people who 410 00:24:06,045 --> 00:24:09,325 Speaker 3: see the golden ticket of Australian citizenship as an opportunity 411 00:24:09,565 --> 00:24:13,165 Speaker 3: to create wealth and stability for their kids and grandkids 412 00:24:13,325 --> 00:24:15,445 Speaker 3: in a way that their grandparents, who were living in 413 00:24:15,445 --> 00:24:17,765 Speaker 3: a village somewhere could never have contemplated. 414 00:24:17,805 --> 00:24:18,965 Speaker 1: And I think that's part of the. 415 00:24:18,925 --> 00:24:22,885 Speaker 3: Great Australian tapestry and dream and I don't think we 416 00:24:22,885 --> 00:24:23,845 Speaker 3: should ever lose sight of that. 417 00:24:23,885 --> 00:24:24,085 Speaker 4: See. 418 00:24:24,125 --> 00:24:25,325 Speaker 3: One of the things I don't think we do in 419 00:24:25,325 --> 00:24:28,525 Speaker 3: our country well enough is talk about the great migrant story, 420 00:24:28,565 --> 00:24:30,645 Speaker 3: particularly since the Second World War. People came here with 421 00:24:30,685 --> 00:24:34,605 Speaker 3: literally nothing out of war torn Europe. My parents and 422 00:24:34,725 --> 00:24:39,525 Speaker 3: came here as tilers, as bricklayers, as teachers, as you know, 423 00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:44,445 Speaker 3: agricultural workers, whatever. And now their grandkids are doctors and 424 00:24:44,565 --> 00:24:49,845 Speaker 3: millionaires and you know, radio superstars, you know whatever. I mean, 425 00:24:49,845 --> 00:24:55,445 Speaker 3: there's we should be holding those examples up as as 426 00:24:55,485 --> 00:24:58,605 Speaker 3: examples of aspiration. We've got to be proud again of 427 00:24:58,645 --> 00:25:00,605 Speaker 3: who we are as a people in a country. And 428 00:25:00,765 --> 00:25:02,605 Speaker 3: people look at Australia and think you are the best 429 00:25:02,645 --> 00:25:05,085 Speaker 3: country in the world, and sometimes I think we lose 430 00:25:05,125 --> 00:25:07,365 Speaker 3: sight of that, and we should be embracing it and 431 00:25:08,325 --> 00:25:11,525 Speaker 3: running with it and helping as many people along the 432 00:25:11,525 --> 00:25:12,285 Speaker 3: way as we can. 433 00:25:14,645 --> 00:25:20,845 Speaker 4: I have more to ask PC, PC donn't After this shortbreak, 434 00:25:20,845 --> 00:25:23,405 Speaker 4: I will go into the personal life of the opposition leader, 435 00:25:23,805 --> 00:25:28,045 Speaker 4: his marriage, his self care routine, and just what he 436 00:25:28,125 --> 00:25:30,605 Speaker 4: has to say to the women and girls of Australia. 437 00:25:31,125 --> 00:25:36,285 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. What do you love about Australia. 438 00:25:36,645 --> 00:25:38,365 Speaker 3: I love the fact that we've got choice, We've got 439 00:25:38,365 --> 00:25:44,205 Speaker 3: freedom of our expression of thought, and that if you 440 00:25:44,285 --> 00:25:47,765 Speaker 3: start with nothing, you can get ahead and you can 441 00:25:47,805 --> 00:25:51,205 Speaker 3: create an opportunity. And that might seem hard for some 442 00:25:51,245 --> 00:25:54,845 Speaker 3: people at different points in their life, but we have 443 00:25:55,045 --> 00:25:59,645 Speaker 3: an incredible society where we take care of people who 444 00:25:59,685 --> 00:26:03,405 Speaker 3: are in need can't take care of themselves. But we 445 00:26:03,485 --> 00:26:07,325 Speaker 3: also have a system where people can work hard, sacrifice 446 00:26:07,565 --> 00:26:11,165 Speaker 3: and realize and I think we should protect and defend 447 00:26:11,165 --> 00:26:12,165 Speaker 3: that at every opportunity. 448 00:26:12,925 --> 00:26:18,565 Speaker 4: Your family obviously very supportive of your dreams and your career. 449 00:26:19,685 --> 00:26:21,405 Speaker 4: But yet, and I know I alluded to the fact 450 00:26:21,405 --> 00:26:23,645 Speaker 4: that my brother's a politician. When someone in the family 451 00:26:23,645 --> 00:26:26,165 Speaker 4: decides to become a politician, everyone else. 452 00:26:26,045 --> 00:26:26,685 Speaker 1: Is set branded. 453 00:26:26,805 --> 00:26:29,165 Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone else is swept up with that, whether they 454 00:26:29,165 --> 00:26:33,565 Speaker 4: want to or not. It's a form of selfishness that 455 00:26:33,605 --> 00:26:37,725 Speaker 4: we have to hope in our politicians is underwritten by 456 00:26:38,325 --> 00:26:40,045 Speaker 4: a desire for the greater good. 457 00:26:40,325 --> 00:26:42,245 Speaker 3: I think that's right. I think it's also true that 458 00:26:42,285 --> 00:26:44,485 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, in your family, you've got two 459 00:26:44,485 --> 00:26:48,525 Speaker 3: famous people with pretty identifiable surnames. So any if your 460 00:26:48,805 --> 00:26:52,405 Speaker 3: cousins or kids or whatever, you know, would automatically get 461 00:26:52,405 --> 00:26:53,805 Speaker 3: the question are you related. 462 00:26:53,485 --> 00:26:55,365 Speaker 1: To you know? Do you know? 463 00:26:55,725 --> 00:26:58,805 Speaker 3: And And I talked to my cousins about it, and 464 00:26:59,245 --> 00:27:01,565 Speaker 3: most of they say, mate, we're really proud of what 465 00:27:01,605 --> 00:27:05,205 Speaker 3: you do, and we're very very happy to be asked 466 00:27:05,205 --> 00:27:08,605 Speaker 3: the question and to answer it. And maybe that's just 467 00:27:08,685 --> 00:27:12,285 Speaker 3: a you know, a brave sort of face that they're 468 00:27:12,285 --> 00:27:15,085 Speaker 3: putting on it for me, but I'm I'm really conscious 469 00:27:15,085 --> 00:27:18,205 Speaker 3: of it because, particularly with your own kids, they're not 470 00:27:19,645 --> 00:27:21,725 Speaker 3: you know. I think it was once anmously said that 471 00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:24,285 Speaker 3: they're they're conscripts. Right, they're not. Yeah, but they haven't 472 00:27:24,325 --> 00:27:28,885 Speaker 3: sought a public life. And I suppose for many kids, 473 00:27:29,045 --> 00:27:33,285 Speaker 3: the family you know, you're born into comes with upside 474 00:27:33,325 --> 00:27:36,405 Speaker 3: and downside and and but they're yeah, look, they're they're 475 00:27:36,445 --> 00:27:40,405 Speaker 3: they're balanced and they're good about it. 476 00:27:41,125 --> 00:27:43,405 Speaker 1: But yeah, that that is a definite downside. 477 00:27:43,485 --> 00:27:47,405 Speaker 4: What percentage of your family extended, because I gather you're 478 00:27:47,485 --> 00:27:52,165 Speaker 4: quite close to your extended family shares your politics. 479 00:27:53,285 --> 00:27:58,285 Speaker 1: I think there would be I think it'd be a maturity. 480 00:27:58,245 --> 00:28:00,925 Speaker 4: Yeah, right are you Sometimes they're at a family barbecue 481 00:28:00,965 --> 00:28:04,005 Speaker 4: going I'm not sure about sure. 482 00:28:05,885 --> 00:28:09,885 Speaker 3: Is going to say generally not and generally like in 483 00:28:09,965 --> 00:28:12,085 Speaker 3: most conversations with your friends as well. I've got a 484 00:28:12,125 --> 00:28:14,645 Speaker 3: lot of mates who who wouldn't vote, who wouldn't hopefully 485 00:28:14,685 --> 00:28:17,685 Speaker 3: they will at this election, but it wouldn't vote liberal normally, 486 00:28:17,925 --> 00:28:20,845 Speaker 3: And you know, we get on like a house on fire. 487 00:28:20,845 --> 00:28:24,845 Speaker 3: And generally it's a discussion about cricket or goal for family, 488 00:28:25,565 --> 00:28:29,485 Speaker 3: or Olympics or whatever's in the news, and there's not 489 00:28:29,525 --> 00:28:34,445 Speaker 3: a heavy conversation around politics, which actually is refreshing because 490 00:28:34,645 --> 00:28:35,965 Speaker 3: you need to be able to switch off and. 491 00:28:36,885 --> 00:28:37,885 Speaker 1: Just you know. 492 00:28:38,805 --> 00:28:41,365 Speaker 4: I think also there is an appetite for people for 493 00:28:42,685 --> 00:28:45,925 Speaker 4: people with for things not to be so binary. Yes, 494 00:28:46,045 --> 00:28:51,445 Speaker 4: when people have divergent politics. And I always think someone 495 00:28:51,525 --> 00:28:53,765 Speaker 4: said this, the bird needs the right wing and the 496 00:28:53,845 --> 00:28:57,205 Speaker 4: left wing to fly, but that doesn't seem to be 497 00:28:57,245 --> 00:29:00,765 Speaker 4: the case in the current climate. 498 00:29:01,965 --> 00:29:04,445 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if you go back to you know, 499 00:29:04,605 --> 00:29:07,005 Speaker 3: ancient times, I mean the politicians. 500 00:29:06,405 --> 00:29:10,445 Speaker 1: Were I do go back to back before you. 501 00:29:11,405 --> 00:29:15,605 Speaker 3: But it's always been an adversarial It's like a courtroom 502 00:29:16,125 --> 00:29:20,805 Speaker 3: environment where you've got each side of the argument, the 503 00:29:20,845 --> 00:29:24,525 Speaker 3: prosecution and the defense, arguing vehemently for their belief I 504 00:29:24,565 --> 00:29:26,285 Speaker 3: just think as long as it's done in a respectful way, 505 00:29:26,405 --> 00:29:30,205 Speaker 3: you can have strong views. And as the Prime ministers 506 00:29:30,245 --> 00:29:32,205 Speaker 3: pointed out, and as I've said publicly, I mean he 507 00:29:32,285 --> 00:29:35,485 Speaker 3: and I get on well personally. We can have a conversation. 508 00:29:35,725 --> 00:29:37,965 Speaker 3: If there's an issue around a national security issue that 509 00:29:37,965 --> 00:29:39,925 Speaker 3: we need to deal with, what we do and we 510 00:29:39,925 --> 00:29:43,285 Speaker 3: do it respectfully. Neither of us leak the conversation, So 511 00:29:43,565 --> 00:29:45,245 Speaker 3: you know, I think we act in an honorable way, 512 00:29:45,245 --> 00:29:47,645 Speaker 3: but we've just got a different pathway of getting to 513 00:29:48,205 --> 00:29:51,565 Speaker 3: probably the same objective of what's best for our country. 514 00:29:52,445 --> 00:29:55,245 Speaker 4: I think, touching on what you just said, a lot 515 00:29:55,245 --> 00:30:00,925 Speaker 4: of people suspect that the seemingly too opposing sides of 516 00:30:00,965 --> 00:30:04,045 Speaker 4: politics are more aligned with each other than you are 517 00:30:04,085 --> 00:30:05,605 Speaker 4: with the interests of us. 518 00:30:06,245 --> 00:30:08,925 Speaker 3: Think well, I think we're more aligned with each other 519 00:30:08,965 --> 00:30:12,965 Speaker 3: than people realize. But generally that's because there's an obvious 520 00:30:13,005 --> 00:30:17,805 Speaker 3: answer and you support it. It's a chicken in EG 521 00:30:17,805 --> 00:30:23,525 Speaker 3: scenario as well, because the media aren't reporting the boring 522 00:30:23,605 --> 00:30:27,325 Speaker 3: sort of consensus. You know, we found common ground today 523 00:30:27,805 --> 00:30:31,565 Speaker 3: in Parliament and people were really pleased with the outcome. 524 00:30:32,125 --> 00:30:36,005 Speaker 3: That rarely makes it onto the news. It's the it's 525 00:30:36,045 --> 00:30:39,165 Speaker 3: the color and movement and that's what tunes people in. 526 00:30:39,245 --> 00:30:45,165 Speaker 3: That's what you know, informs the clickbaits, that's what people 527 00:30:45,165 --> 00:30:48,125 Speaker 3: want to read, the titillating bits and pieces about your 528 00:30:48,125 --> 00:30:50,645 Speaker 3: property ownership or what you did or what you said, 529 00:30:51,165 --> 00:30:55,325 Speaker 3: and the mundane stuff where there is agreement, which is 530 00:30:55,325 --> 00:30:57,725 Speaker 3: probably eighty percent of the time and in the public's 531 00:30:57,725 --> 00:31:00,765 Speaker 3: best interests. So I do think our stars align with 532 00:31:00,885 --> 00:31:03,245 Speaker 3: where where the public is. 533 00:31:04,205 --> 00:31:05,685 Speaker 1: That just sort of goes through to the keeper. 534 00:31:06,245 --> 00:31:12,445 Speaker 4: People want to draw parallels between Australia and what's happened 535 00:31:12,445 --> 00:31:16,365 Speaker 4: in America. So you're painted as some kind of down 536 00:31:16,445 --> 00:31:17,045 Speaker 4: under Trump. 537 00:31:18,365 --> 00:31:22,245 Speaker 3: Well, I'm accused of being not Trump enough to Trump, 538 00:31:22,645 --> 00:31:26,045 Speaker 3: not Trump like Trump like. I mean, it's just your 539 00:31:26,085 --> 00:31:29,325 Speaker 3: detractors will say, ah, you look like Trump while you're 540 00:31:29,325 --> 00:31:33,805 Speaker 3: acting like Trump because they think that that is a 541 00:31:33,845 --> 00:31:35,805 Speaker 3: way of landing a blow on you. I mean, that's 542 00:31:35,845 --> 00:31:38,485 Speaker 3: what they're trying to do. I'm a very different person 543 00:31:38,485 --> 00:31:41,805 Speaker 3: to President Trump. And you know, my biggest influence is 544 00:31:41,845 --> 00:31:45,205 Speaker 3: in political life have been John Howard and Peter Costello, 545 00:31:45,325 --> 00:31:49,685 Speaker 3: and I worked as assistant treasurer at Peter Costello. I still, 546 00:31:50,525 --> 00:31:54,245 Speaker 3: you know, have a conversation with and see John Howard 547 00:31:54,245 --> 00:31:58,165 Speaker 3: as a mentor. And you know, not that I agree 548 00:31:58,165 --> 00:32:00,885 Speaker 3: with everything that he said or did or his different approaches, 549 00:32:00,925 --> 00:32:04,525 Speaker 3: but there was a stability and there was a certainty 550 00:32:05,605 --> 00:32:08,485 Speaker 3: and a strength in his leadership and character, and I 551 00:32:08,525 --> 00:32:12,845 Speaker 3: admired that all and still do so. Yeah, Look, I 552 00:32:12,845 --> 00:32:15,445 Speaker 3: think there will be things that we can agree with 553 00:32:15,845 --> 00:32:18,405 Speaker 3: the US on and things that will have disagreements. I 554 00:32:18,405 --> 00:32:20,805 Speaker 3: don't agree with President Trump at all in relation to 555 00:32:21,005 --> 00:32:24,525 Speaker 3: Ukraine and what's happening there at the moment. I think 556 00:32:24,605 --> 00:32:29,805 Speaker 3: that I think the incursion, that the invasion, the killing 557 00:32:29,845 --> 00:32:35,725 Speaker 3: of people by Putin is an abomination, and so I 558 00:32:35,725 --> 00:32:42,485 Speaker 3: don't like the characterization of that, but that's. 559 00:32:40,685 --> 00:32:41,325 Speaker 1: How I see it. 560 00:32:41,365 --> 00:32:43,925 Speaker 3: And I will always act in our country's best interest, 561 00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:47,205 Speaker 3: and I think in a dynamic relationship like that, particularly 562 00:32:47,245 --> 00:32:49,445 Speaker 3: with President Trump, you've got to have a Prime minister 563 00:32:49,485 --> 00:32:51,885 Speaker 3: here in Australia who's prepared to stand up for our 564 00:32:51,965 --> 00:32:53,685 Speaker 3: national interests, what we believe in, and. 565 00:32:56,085 --> 00:32:57,165 Speaker 1: That I think is an essential. 566 00:32:58,245 --> 00:33:01,565 Speaker 4: I mentioned this is conversation like has the potential to 567 00:33:02,325 --> 00:33:07,765 Speaker 4: reach a vast sway of Australian women, and I want 568 00:33:07,805 --> 00:33:10,125 Speaker 4: to give you a chance to speak directly to them. 569 00:33:11,805 --> 00:33:13,685 Speaker 3: I want to be a prime minister who can govern 570 00:33:13,765 --> 00:33:17,205 Speaker 3: for our country and for all Australians. 571 00:33:17,285 --> 00:33:19,365 Speaker 1: But I strongly believe in. 572 00:33:20,845 --> 00:33:23,805 Speaker 3: Making sure that people have dignity in their lives, women 573 00:33:23,845 --> 00:33:27,685 Speaker 3: in particular, and that means first and foremost, running an 574 00:33:27,685 --> 00:33:30,925 Speaker 3: economy where if you're sitting at home pulling your hair 575 00:33:30,965 --> 00:33:34,645 Speaker 3: out in a garage or the back bedroom with your 576 00:33:34,645 --> 00:33:38,205 Speaker 3: online business. I want to be a prime minister that 577 00:33:38,245 --> 00:33:41,245 Speaker 3: creates an environment where you can make sales and that 578 00:33:41,365 --> 00:33:47,405 Speaker 3: financial independence and success gives you options and opportunities. And 579 00:33:47,485 --> 00:33:50,245 Speaker 3: I want to be a prime minister that can provide 580 00:33:50,765 --> 00:33:51,805 Speaker 3: an environment where. 581 00:33:51,605 --> 00:33:54,085 Speaker 1: You can afford to put a roof over your head and. 582 00:33:55,605 --> 00:33:59,245 Speaker 3: To recover from a marriage breakdown or a violent relationship. 583 00:33:59,965 --> 00:34:05,805 Speaker 3: And I want an opportunity where where people can, at 584 00:34:05,805 --> 00:34:09,805 Speaker 3: different points in their life, feel comfortable about making choices 585 00:34:10,005 --> 00:34:14,365 Speaker 3: that are right for them and facilitating those choices, and 586 00:34:14,485 --> 00:34:17,245 Speaker 3: so that I think is important. When I go up 587 00:34:17,245 --> 00:34:20,365 Speaker 3: to Alice Springs and speak to women in town camps 588 00:34:20,445 --> 00:34:24,205 Speaker 3: or indigenous elders up there, their view is no different 589 00:34:24,205 --> 00:34:27,845 Speaker 3: to women in the cities or frankly, a lot of 590 00:34:28,885 --> 00:34:32,725 Speaker 3: parents are male or female, their instinct is to when 591 00:34:32,765 --> 00:34:34,325 Speaker 3: you speak to them, what can I do for you? 592 00:34:34,365 --> 00:34:37,285 Speaker 3: What are the priorities. I want a roof over my head. 593 00:34:37,325 --> 00:34:39,245 Speaker 3: I want a safe environment. I want to be able 594 00:34:39,245 --> 00:34:41,605 Speaker 3: to educate my kids. I want to be able to 595 00:34:41,645 --> 00:34:44,485 Speaker 3: pay the bills. I want a good health system, and 596 00:34:44,525 --> 00:34:47,645 Speaker 3: I want an environment where my kids, when they graduate 597 00:34:47,685 --> 00:34:50,605 Speaker 3: from school or from a trade or from a university, 598 00:34:50,645 --> 00:34:53,925 Speaker 3: can find a job. And they're pretty basic human instincts. 599 00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:57,085 Speaker 2: And women also want physical autonomy. 600 00:34:57,245 --> 00:35:02,205 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and again I mean it's people will want 601 00:35:02,205 --> 00:35:04,805 Speaker 3: to concentrate in the health space. But I'm proud of 602 00:35:04,805 --> 00:35:07,205 Speaker 3: the fact that I set up the Medical Research Future Fund, 603 00:35:07,205 --> 00:35:09,485 Speaker 3: which has now got twenty two billion dollars in it 604 00:35:09,485 --> 00:35:14,525 Speaker 3: provides a lot of research into breast cancer, into ovarian cancer, 605 00:35:14,725 --> 00:35:20,165 Speaker 3: into brain cancers, cancers for children. 606 00:35:20,485 --> 00:35:22,525 Speaker 4: What was your motivation for that? By the way, what 607 00:35:22,645 --> 00:35:24,285 Speaker 4: was the impetus for that. 608 00:35:24,485 --> 00:35:30,165 Speaker 3: Well, again, it's I think there is there's a human 609 00:35:30,165 --> 00:35:33,165 Speaker 3: dignity element to being able to live in a country 610 00:35:33,205 --> 00:35:36,645 Speaker 3: like ours and receive the medical attention. We've got some 611 00:35:36,685 --> 00:35:38,765 Speaker 3: of the best researchers in the world, and I didn't 612 00:35:38,805 --> 00:35:42,485 Speaker 3: think they had the stability in the money for their 613 00:35:42,525 --> 00:35:44,285 Speaker 3: research that was required. 614 00:35:43,925 --> 00:35:46,205 Speaker 2: And we've had a big brain drain as a result. 615 00:35:46,325 --> 00:35:48,685 Speaker 3: Yes, And look, Australia is a market of twenty seven 616 00:35:48,725 --> 00:35:52,845 Speaker 3: million people, so many of those researchers will automatically, at 617 00:35:52,845 --> 00:35:56,605 Speaker 3: some stage in their career be attracted to London or 618 00:35:56,645 --> 00:36:00,405 Speaker 3: to parts of Asia or Europe or the United States wherever. 619 00:36:00,485 --> 00:36:02,965 Speaker 3: And in many cases that's a great thing because they 620 00:36:02,965 --> 00:36:05,205 Speaker 3: expand their knowledge and they come back here when they 621 00:36:05,205 --> 00:36:07,725 Speaker 3: want to raise their kids or when they want to retire, 622 00:36:07,885 --> 00:36:11,405 Speaker 3: and they contribute to the you know, the health space 623 00:36:11,445 --> 00:36:12,725 Speaker 3: here or the medical research space. 624 00:36:12,765 --> 00:36:16,925 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's part of that thinking. 625 00:36:18,565 --> 00:36:20,965 Speaker 3: And you know, and many other things that you can 626 00:36:21,005 --> 00:36:22,845 Speaker 3: do if you manage the economy well and you've got 627 00:36:22,885 --> 00:36:26,805 Speaker 3: good economic settings, you've got good revenues coming in, you 628 00:36:26,845 --> 00:36:29,965 Speaker 3: can start to pay for different programs, and particularly mental 629 00:36:29,965 --> 00:36:32,645 Speaker 3: health I think is a huge issue where we just 630 00:36:32,685 --> 00:36:34,845 Speaker 3: haven't got it right in this country yet, and the 631 00:36:34,925 --> 00:36:37,325 Speaker 3: number of young women presenting with mental health issues and 632 00:36:37,725 --> 00:36:38,685 Speaker 3: online safety. 633 00:36:39,965 --> 00:36:43,165 Speaker 2: Have you ever had issues like post policing or whatever. 634 00:36:43,325 --> 00:36:46,845 Speaker 3: I think, not diagnosed, but I think if knowing what 635 00:36:46,965 --> 00:36:50,685 Speaker 3: I know now about the impact that it has, even 636 00:36:50,845 --> 00:36:52,725 Speaker 3: in the way in which you raise your own children, 637 00:36:53,405 --> 00:36:57,005 Speaker 3: the way that we've been protective of them in a 638 00:36:57,045 --> 00:37:01,405 Speaker 3: public place, you know, particularly of Rebecca, but the boys 639 00:37:01,445 --> 00:37:04,485 Speaker 3: as well. Yes, I think, how can that not have 640 00:37:04,525 --> 00:37:08,245 Speaker 3: an influence on you? And it's how you manage with 641 00:37:08,285 --> 00:37:12,045 Speaker 3: that and the support you provide. And you know, for me, 642 00:37:12,045 --> 00:37:14,525 Speaker 3: meditation is a big part of my life as well, 643 00:37:14,525 --> 00:37:15,405 Speaker 3: which I find. 644 00:37:15,205 --> 00:37:17,125 Speaker 2: That was surprising to me. 645 00:37:17,325 --> 00:37:20,045 Speaker 3: I don't know why, but I find it a good 646 00:37:20,045 --> 00:37:22,525 Speaker 3: reset and I find it a good clearing of your mind. 647 00:37:22,685 --> 00:37:25,605 Speaker 3: And particularly you know, if you're starting at four point 648 00:37:25,605 --> 00:37:27,445 Speaker 3: thirty five in the morning and you're not finishing until 649 00:37:27,485 --> 00:37:31,165 Speaker 3: ten or eleven at night, you're going all day and 650 00:37:31,325 --> 00:37:34,205 Speaker 3: you do need to take ten or twenty minutes just 651 00:37:34,245 --> 00:37:37,405 Speaker 3: to reset, I think, and focus on yourself. 652 00:37:37,445 --> 00:37:40,685 Speaker 1: And I think unless you're physically and mentally. 653 00:37:40,365 --> 00:37:45,325 Speaker 3: Well, it's hard to do jobs like the one i'm 654 00:37:45,365 --> 00:37:46,965 Speaker 3: in or like the one I'm aspiring to be. 655 00:37:47,125 --> 00:37:49,445 Speaker 4: What do you do physically, by the way, I try 656 00:37:49,485 --> 00:37:52,885 Speaker 4: and I always stay at a hotel with a good gym, 657 00:37:53,165 --> 00:37:54,845 Speaker 4: so I try to go to the gym early or 658 00:37:54,885 --> 00:37:55,205 Speaker 4: go for. 659 00:37:55,165 --> 00:37:56,405 Speaker 2: A walk, very disciplined. 660 00:37:56,725 --> 00:38:00,885 Speaker 3: But yeah, honestly, I don't know why, but I'm sure 661 00:38:01,205 --> 00:38:03,165 Speaker 3: you know, the scientists can explain it better than I can. 662 00:38:03,205 --> 00:38:06,165 Speaker 3: But I have a really flat start to the day 663 00:38:06,205 --> 00:38:08,965 Speaker 3: if I don't do exercise, but I feel invigorated if 664 00:38:09,005 --> 00:38:11,725 Speaker 3: I do. And you know, it means you're tired at 665 00:38:11,725 --> 00:38:13,165 Speaker 3: the end of the day because you've got up earlier 666 00:38:13,205 --> 00:38:15,565 Speaker 3: to do it. And sometimes in the guard I just 667 00:38:15,645 --> 00:38:17,045 Speaker 3: hit the snooze button, sleep in. 668 00:38:17,445 --> 00:38:19,285 Speaker 1: I'll do it in the afternoon, which of course never 669 00:38:19,445 --> 00:38:20,085 Speaker 1: never happens. 670 00:38:20,285 --> 00:38:22,445 Speaker 2: Nothing, nothing physical. 671 00:38:22,085 --> 00:38:26,485 Speaker 4: Happens in the afternoon, not even afternoon to light exactly right. 672 00:38:27,205 --> 00:38:30,285 Speaker 3: So yeah, so look, it's for me that that's an 673 00:38:30,285 --> 00:38:32,565 Speaker 3: important part of the routine. And it also I just 674 00:38:32,565 --> 00:38:35,885 Speaker 3: think out walking you can listen to a bit of music. 675 00:38:35,725 --> 00:38:37,845 Speaker 2: Or not with Kira when you get the chance. 676 00:38:37,965 --> 00:38:41,005 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, we do, actually, yeah, which is it's not 677 00:38:41,405 --> 00:38:43,205 Speaker 3: it's not a substitute for date night, but it is 678 00:38:43,205 --> 00:38:46,245 Speaker 3: a good time to spend some time together and and 679 00:38:46,405 --> 00:38:48,525 Speaker 3: you know, just have a chat in a relaxed environment. 680 00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:52,525 Speaker 4: What is the secret of having a happy marriage for 681 00:38:52,565 --> 00:38:53,845 Speaker 4: as long as you two have? 682 00:38:54,365 --> 00:38:56,845 Speaker 3: I don't know, because I had plenty of unhappy relationships 683 00:38:56,885 --> 00:39:00,805 Speaker 3: before that. Well, it just didn't work right despite your 684 00:39:00,845 --> 00:39:03,605 Speaker 3: best efforts. So I think it depends on where you 685 00:39:03,685 --> 00:39:07,725 Speaker 3: are in life. I think your own maturity obviously feeds 686 00:39:07,725 --> 00:39:09,805 Speaker 3: into it. And you know, I get married way too 687 00:39:09,845 --> 00:39:12,965 Speaker 3: young and the first time, yeah, and to an amazing person, 688 00:39:13,005 --> 00:39:16,285 Speaker 3: but but we were just too young and headed in 689 00:39:16,285 --> 00:39:20,765 Speaker 3: different directions, et cetera. And so so I think it's 690 00:39:21,165 --> 00:39:24,325 Speaker 3: it's about your perspective on life. And I think not 691 00:39:24,405 --> 00:39:27,405 Speaker 3: trying to change the other party is important. You can 692 00:39:27,445 --> 00:39:30,005 Speaker 3: try and sort of smooth a few rough edges. What 693 00:39:30,085 --> 00:39:34,325 Speaker 3: if they're wrong, Well then that's the that's their prerogative, 694 00:39:34,365 --> 00:39:36,965 Speaker 3: and they can be wrong. And I think you've got 695 00:39:36,965 --> 00:39:40,125 Speaker 3: to accept people for for the good and the bad, 696 00:39:40,165 --> 00:39:43,485 Speaker 3: and you don't if you if you're chasing perfection every 697 00:39:43,485 --> 00:39:46,085 Speaker 3: time and you want your own way every time, it 698 00:39:46,165 --> 00:39:51,965 Speaker 3: just doesn't work. And you also need from my experience, 699 00:39:52,005 --> 00:39:54,005 Speaker 3: and each their own and everyone's got their own formula. 700 00:39:54,085 --> 00:39:59,685 Speaker 1: But for us, it's not letting things. I never want 701 00:39:59,685 --> 00:40:01,045 Speaker 1: my head to hit the pillow. 702 00:40:02,445 --> 00:40:05,925 Speaker 3: If you know we've had a disagreement about something, and 703 00:40:08,285 --> 00:40:11,725 Speaker 3: I just think you should. You should finish each day 704 00:40:11,885 --> 00:40:14,165 Speaker 3: in a good space, even if you've got to suck 705 00:40:14,205 --> 00:40:16,085 Speaker 3: it up a bit and swallow a bit of pride, 706 00:40:16,805 --> 00:40:18,965 Speaker 3: and you know, you might still have the discussion the 707 00:40:19,005 --> 00:40:22,005 Speaker 3: next day. But I think goat bed at night knowing 708 00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:25,325 Speaker 3: that the relationship means enough to you to try and 709 00:40:25,365 --> 00:40:27,005 Speaker 3: resolve those problems. 710 00:40:27,045 --> 00:40:31,405 Speaker 1: I also think you've got to spend a lot of 711 00:40:31,445 --> 00:40:36,805 Speaker 1: time on that, that together time. Like it's sort of. 712 00:40:36,725 --> 00:40:40,325 Speaker 3: A sort of a you know, geeky thing to sort 713 00:40:40,325 --> 00:40:45,725 Speaker 3: of say, or maybe a. 714 00:40:43,525 --> 00:40:44,565 Speaker 1: You know, a sloppy thing to say. 715 00:40:44,605 --> 00:40:48,365 Speaker 3: But I just think if you're not able to speak 716 00:40:48,365 --> 00:40:51,285 Speaker 3: with each other freely and have that discussion, then you've 717 00:40:51,285 --> 00:40:52,725 Speaker 3: got to work out how you can do that. And 718 00:40:52,765 --> 00:40:58,085 Speaker 3: it's I don't know, like I've married somebody who is. 719 00:40:59,525 --> 00:40:59,565 Speaker 4: It. 720 00:40:59,845 --> 00:41:01,605 Speaker 3: We're sort of ing and yang in terms of organized 721 00:41:01,645 --> 00:41:05,205 Speaker 3: so curly. Always when the kids were young, things were packed, 722 00:41:05,285 --> 00:41:07,645 Speaker 3: lunches were made. She was ready to get out of 723 00:41:07,685 --> 00:41:09,325 Speaker 3: the door while I was still getting out of the shit. 724 00:41:10,805 --> 00:41:13,125 Speaker 3: And she's always been well organized like that, and I 725 00:41:13,125 --> 00:41:15,205 Speaker 3: think that where you can find that in and yang 726 00:41:15,205 --> 00:41:18,325 Speaker 3: in different parts of your relationship. You compliment each other ultimately, 727 00:41:18,445 --> 00:41:21,325 Speaker 3: so but you can still have big points of difference. 728 00:41:22,205 --> 00:41:26,165 Speaker 4: Okay, I would like to ask you one thing. Should 729 00:41:26,165 --> 00:41:29,485 Speaker 4: you win the election, do you think you're going to. 730 00:41:30,165 --> 00:41:31,645 Speaker 1: I think we can win the election. 731 00:41:32,525 --> 00:41:34,485 Speaker 3: It hasn't happened since nineteen thirty one for a first 732 00:41:34,565 --> 00:41:37,765 Speaker 3: term government to lose, so it's a huge task and 733 00:41:37,765 --> 00:41:41,005 Speaker 3: we've got to win about twenty seats, which is a 734 00:41:41,005 --> 00:41:43,485 Speaker 3: big undertaking. But there's no doubt in my mind that 735 00:41:43,485 --> 00:41:47,125 Speaker 3: we can win if we work hard, we're disciplined, and 736 00:41:47,445 --> 00:41:50,645 Speaker 3: we put the policies out that can capture people's imaginations. 737 00:41:51,165 --> 00:41:54,165 Speaker 4: Well, if you do win, I would like to invite 738 00:41:54,165 --> 00:41:59,965 Speaker 4: you to come back thank you exactly a year from today. Deal, 739 00:42:01,245 --> 00:42:05,365 Speaker 4: and I would like to know given the ethos, the 740 00:42:05,845 --> 00:42:08,645 Speaker 4: mission statement of Mama Maya, which is to improve the 741 00:42:08,645 --> 00:42:09,925 Speaker 4: world for women and girls. 742 00:42:10,045 --> 00:42:11,205 Speaker 1: Yes, I would like. 743 00:42:11,205 --> 00:42:15,125 Speaker 4: To discuss with you in that intervening period what you 744 00:42:15,245 --> 00:42:17,205 Speaker 4: have done to that end. 745 00:42:18,245 --> 00:42:23,885 Speaker 3: Well, firstly, an absolute commitment and it should be a 746 00:42:23,885 --> 00:42:26,605 Speaker 3: conversation that continues on for the year about what we 747 00:42:26,645 --> 00:42:30,525 Speaker 3: can do to make lives for women and young girls better, 748 00:42:30,645 --> 00:42:34,645 Speaker 3: and particularly, as I said, a real focus with online 749 00:42:35,165 --> 00:42:38,965 Speaker 3: and safety online and being able to deal with the 750 00:42:39,125 --> 00:42:43,565 Speaker 3: transmission of images, and how women and girls can feel 751 00:42:43,565 --> 00:42:46,805 Speaker 3: safe living a bigger part of their lives online than 752 00:42:46,845 --> 00:42:50,205 Speaker 3: they ever have. But there are many other issues, housing etc. 753 00:42:51,405 --> 00:42:53,405 Speaker 1: That I spoke about before. K So I think there's a. 754 00:42:53,405 --> 00:42:55,365 Speaker 3: Lot of work for us to do, and it'd be 755 00:42:55,405 --> 00:42:56,765 Speaker 3: great to work with you and great to be back 756 00:42:56,765 --> 00:42:57,605 Speaker 3: here in twelve month's time. 757 00:42:58,205 --> 00:43:00,605 Speaker 4: I'll shake on that. And then I want to ask 758 00:43:00,645 --> 00:43:03,805 Speaker 4: you one more thing. Yeah, do you know the saying 759 00:43:05,485 --> 00:43:09,325 Speaker 4: hard men make good times. Good times make weak mens 760 00:43:09,405 --> 00:43:11,565 Speaker 4: in weak men make hard times. 761 00:43:12,045 --> 00:43:12,725 Speaker 1: I have heard that. 762 00:43:12,885 --> 00:43:15,965 Speaker 2: Yes, you were strong man. 763 00:43:16,125 --> 00:43:18,285 Speaker 1: I'll let you either the judge of that. 764 00:43:19,885 --> 00:43:23,565 Speaker 3: I believe that I have a strength of character and 765 00:43:23,565 --> 00:43:31,205 Speaker 3: and ability to make tough decisions, to exercise compassion when 766 00:43:31,205 --> 00:43:34,765 Speaker 3: it's needed and regularly, but to make the tough decisions 767 00:43:34,765 --> 00:43:38,325 Speaker 3: for our country to keep people safe, to create a 768 00:43:38,325 --> 00:43:41,685 Speaker 3: strong economy. I do believe that I've got that strength 769 00:43:41,685 --> 00:43:43,525 Speaker 3: and I believe I can demonstrate that as Prime Minister. 770 00:43:44,765 --> 00:43:48,125 Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, thank you for sharing yourself with no filter. 771 00:43:48,245 --> 00:43:49,365 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Kate, thank you. 772 00:43:52,765 --> 00:43:54,925 Speaker 4: Okay, I feel like I know a little bit more 773 00:43:55,045 --> 00:44:00,605 Speaker 4: of the enigma that is Peter Craig Dutton Pace if 774 00:44:00,645 --> 00:44:03,725 Speaker 4: you're wanting more politics in your day. We also have 775 00:44:03,805 --> 00:44:08,045 Speaker 4: an episode with Prime Minister Anthony albanizi how he feels 776 00:44:08,085 --> 00:44:11,285 Speaker 4: he's gone over the past three years and just how 777 00:44:11,325 --> 00:44:14,125 Speaker 4: those wedding plans are coming along. There is a link 778 00:44:14,165 --> 00:44:17,845 Speaker 4: to that conversation in the show notes from MoMA Maya. 779 00:44:18,005 --> 00:44:21,445 Speaker 4: You're listening to No Filter. I'm your host, kateline Brook. 780 00:44:22,085 --> 00:44:24,125 Speaker 4: I'll be back in your ears next week.