WEBVTT - The Hidden Details In Tammy Hembrow’s Divorce Video & Taylor Swift's Text Messages Are Going To Court

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<v Speaker 1>So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura

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<v Speaker 2>Brodnick and I'm Cacenula Kid, and we have a big

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<v Speaker 2>build up of stories over the weekend. That's the fun

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<v Speaker 2>thing about a Monday show is that on Fridays we

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<v Speaker 2>do like our fun little TV movie Deep Dive, and

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<v Speaker 2>then over the weekend, I'm just in my notes up

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<v Speaker 2>the whole time, all the little solicious updates that we

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<v Speaker 2>have to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to just also address my voice. I

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<v Speaker 1>have had a flu and I sound I've got my

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<v Speaker 1>sexy flam going on.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's like that episode of Friends, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>where Phoebe gets sick and then she has this really

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<v Speaker 2>sexy singing voice and then she tries to get sick again.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, you do sound very sultry.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, And it's for all of the

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<v Speaker 1>sultry news that we've got today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So coming up on the show today, there's been

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<v Speaker 2>a whole big divorce Converse station around Hayley Bieber and

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<v Speaker 2>Justin Bieber. It only took one photo to cement that story.

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<v Speaker 2>But we have an update that happened as we were

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<v Speaker 2>walking into the studio. Actually breaking news here, Investigative journalism

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<v Speaker 2>at play. Also, Timmy Hambrow has announced her divorce with

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<v Speaker 2>a very emotional video. The response from the public, which

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<v Speaker 2>is what we're going to be talking about, along with

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<v Speaker 2>how the separation was bradcrumbed, has been very intense. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to get into that. But first we have

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<v Speaker 2>an update in the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively legal

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<v Speaker 2>case involving Taylor Swift. So a few weeks ago we

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<v Speaker 2>gave the update that Taylor Swift had been subpoenaed by

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<v Speaker 2>Justin Baldonie's legal team basically to potentially appear in Core,

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<v Speaker 2>but also to have her phone in computer and computer

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<v Speaker 2>gone through to get evidence from the case. And they

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<v Speaker 2>put forward a motion to dismiss it, and we thought

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<v Speaker 2>that had gone ahead, but we had an update to

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<v Speaker 2>say the judge in the case has actually stepped in.

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<v Speaker 2>So a judge ruled on Wednesday that Justin Baldoni can

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<v Speaker 2>obtain any messages between Blake Lively and Taylor Swift that

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<v Speaker 2>are about the making of it ends with us and

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<v Speaker 2>specifically to do with the sexual assault allegations that she's

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<v Speaker 2>put forward. So in his order, the judge said that

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<v Speaker 2>he found the messages can be very relevant to the

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<v Speaker 2>case and that a protective order in place was to

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<v Speaker 2>prevent them from leaking to the press. So that's been

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<v Speaker 2>the big thing is that Justin Baldoni is saying and

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<v Speaker 2>his legal team is saying, that these messages could hold

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<v Speaker 2>the key to kind of proving his story right in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of how much Taylor Swift was involved in the

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<v Speaker 2>making of the movie, but more so about his behavior

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<v Speaker 2>on set. And then Taylor Swift's team and Blake Lively's

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<v Speaker 2>team separately because apparently something is going on behind the

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<v Speaker 2>scenes there, both came out and said that Justin's team

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<v Speaker 2>was doing this just to kind of pull her into

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<v Speaker 2>the story, yeah, and get her and use her public

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<v Speaker 2>profile and her fandom to bring more attention to his

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<v Speaker 2>side of the case. So the judge has come out

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<v Speaker 2>and said that he's like overall the previous thing about

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<v Speaker 2>her not being able to be subpoened, so that the

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<v Speaker 2>messages can be used, but there's a privacy bare them

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<v Speaker 2>so they can't be leaked to the press.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be interesting to see if they don't get leaked,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's one thing to say that, but as we

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<v Speaker 1>all know, these things often get let out. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure they'll be heavily redacted. But I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty big ruling considering the fact that we're actually

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<v Speaker 1>now looking at private text messages between Taylor Swift and

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<v Speaker 1>Blake Lively, Like this is it's not a light thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know if I want anyone just

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<v Speaker 1>like grabbing my text messages.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>The proviso that it has to be either about the

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<v Speaker 1>movie or the sexual assault allegations, I think is really key.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's not going to get access his team and

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get access to every single text message.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm interested to see how they police that, Like

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<v Speaker 1>how do they know that she's given over everything unless

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<v Speaker 1>they go through everything?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly that I guess potentially they have a third

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<v Speaker 2>party go through her phone just played or do a

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<v Speaker 2>keyword search. Well that was the thing in the markl

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<v Speaker 2>and Prince Harry trial when they were in that when

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<v Speaker 2>in that back and forth big legal case with the

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<v Speaker 2>British press is that what they can do is not

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<v Speaker 2>say like we want to see all your text messages,

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<v Speaker 2>but we want every message and email with these key words.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what Megan Michael was saying at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, the other side asked for words like Kate

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<v Speaker 2>William Archie Love all these kind of like weird words

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<v Speaker 2>because they were obviously trying to dig around and find

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<v Speaker 2>really salacious stuff. I think in this case too, because

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<v Speaker 2>this side of it has been so public and there's

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<v Speaker 2>been this real public speculation that Blake Lively and Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>Swift's like very long term, very close friendship, like she's

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<v Speaker 2>godmother to her children, has come to an end. There

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<v Speaker 2>was the whole Travis Kelcey unfollowing Ryan Reynolds thing. Taylorsof's

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<v Speaker 2>team put out a statement after the subpoena was initially

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<v Speaker 2>pulled back, saying that she had wanted to have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with this case. And I think what's really

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<v Speaker 2>telling if that, if you go through some of the

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<v Speaker 2>legal documents Blake Lively's team attempted to this is like

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the reports from that have been put forward

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<v Speaker 2>from their legal teams, is that Blake Lively's team attempted

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<v Speaker 2>to bargain with Justin Baldonie's team saying that they would

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<v Speaker 2>hand over a lot of different things or video footage

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<v Speaker 2>related to the film, unreducted versions of communication, or they

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<v Speaker 2>would hand over all these other things listed in Justin

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<v Speaker 2>Baldoni's complaint if Taylor Swift's text messages weren't subpoened as

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of a bargaining chip. And then Justin Baldoni's

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<v Speaker 2>team said no.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, I think Taylor would be absolutely furious

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<v Speaker 1>that she's been dragged into this because you know, she's

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<v Speaker 1>had such a great reputation for the last quite a

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<v Speaker 1>few years. Now. You know, she's taken back her power

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<v Speaker 1>doing all of her re recordings, and she's fought really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to have this reputation and to get sort of

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<v Speaker 1>dragged in by Blake Lively and it almost feels like unwillingly,

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<v Speaker 1>unwillingly dragged into it feels kind of not very fair.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can imagine that that would be a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>ender for a friendship. Yeah, and it seems like she

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<v Speaker 1>really is. She's going, I don't want to have anything

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<v Speaker 1>to do with this. I'm stepping away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, Well, this court case is still taking place

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<v Speaker 2>in March of next year, which felt so far away,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's creeping closer. But I think we'll have as

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<v Speaker 2>I go through this discovery period and as all these

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<v Speaker 2>emails and different bits of evidence get lead, there'll be

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<v Speaker 2>more updates. But yeah, at the moment, those text messages

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<v Speaker 2>are one hundred percent part of the case, Nana. So

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<v Speaker 2>onto another story that's been bubbling away over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is this photo that has really cemented this

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<v Speaker 2>idea that Hailey Bieber and Justin Bieber are headed for divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happened is that Haley is out and about

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<v Speaker 2>New York and she's, you know, doing what a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of starlet's do when they're in New York. She's going

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<v Speaker 2>to all the popular restaurants, so she's walking along those

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<v Speaker 2>streets and she's looking gorgeous in her beautiful fits and

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<v Speaker 2>getting photographed. And that is half the point of going

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<v Speaker 2>to New York is to kind of get that if

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<v Speaker 2>you're famous, to get that publicity. The only thing is

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<v Speaker 2>is that on Thursday she was photographed out and about

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<v Speaker 2>going for breakfast and going for dinner that night, both

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<v Speaker 2>times without her huge inc aangement ring that she always

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<v Speaker 2>has on her finger was not pictured. She later again

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<v Speaker 2>went out that night with Camilla Maroon and Suki Waterhouse,

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<v Speaker 2>two other women who have both really been through the

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<v Speaker 2>ringer in the past, with famous men Leonardo DiCaprio and

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<v Speaker 2>Bradley Cooper, respectively. So I feel like that dinner, I

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<v Speaker 2>would have even anything to still on at dinner and

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<v Speaker 2>just hear about them talking about these famous childish men

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<v Speaker 2>that two of them escaped and one of them is

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<v Speaker 2>still married to. So these photos seemingly harmless except for

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that her ring wasn't pictured. Were just spread everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>all over the Internet, all over TikTok, all over every

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<v Speaker 2>social feed. All the tabloids picked it up, and it

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<v Speaker 2>really cemented the idea that they're headed for divorce after

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<v Speaker 2>all the negative speculation. Why are you laughing?

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<v Speaker 1>The reason I'm laughing is because the amount of times

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<v Speaker 1>I forget to put my engagement ring.

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<v Speaker 2>On, Well, that's what I was thinking, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I put it on today because I knew we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you don't want me to say to you, are

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<v Speaker 2>you getting divorced?

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<v Speaker 1>I often forget to put it on because I take

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<v Speaker 1>it off. I don't sleep in my ring. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>possible that she just forgot to put her ring on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that was my I thought too, because I have

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<v Speaker 2>seen her out because so much of Hailey Baber's brand,

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<v Speaker 2>along with owning her business, is that she does these

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<v Speaker 2>pap walks a lot of the time. And she's even

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<v Speaker 2>said she works with a stylist who is specifically just

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<v Speaker 2>for street style, so she pays the same amount to

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<v Speaker 2>her and Kendall Janna both do. They pay the same

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<v Speaker 2>amount to their street stylist as other celebrities do for

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<v Speaker 2>a red carpet stylist. And so this woman will buy

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<v Speaker 2>these clothes, put these outfits together, and she'll literally just

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<v Speaker 2>wear them to walk down the street and get back

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<v Speaker 2>in the car. But that like really ups their their

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<v Speaker 2>like online cachet. It's like built their fandom. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a really smart way to do it. So my only

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<v Speaker 2>thought was, if half of your brand is off these

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<v Speaker 2>paparazzi style shoots and you're paying thousands and thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars to this really well known stylist to style you

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<v Speaker 2>for these street style moments, that's and you don't wear

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<v Speaker 2>your wedding ring. To me, that's a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>telling than just like the average lady out and about

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<v Speaker 2>who hasn't popped her ring on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, understand what you're saying, but I mean the thing

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<v Speaker 1>is Saturday night, so two nights later, so there was

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<v Speaker 1>two images of her not wearing a ring, and then

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<v Speaker 1>at the girls' night. So when she steps back out

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<v Speaker 1>on the town, she's got the ring back on her finger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And actually as we were coming into the studio,

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<v Speaker 2>she was papped again walking up and down the street.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even tell where she's going because it seemingly

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<v Speaker 2>is that she's just walking up and down the road

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<v Speaker 2>in front of like these New York hotels where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not even sure if she's staying there, and the ring

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<v Speaker 2>is very visible on her finger. So yeah, it could

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<v Speaker 2>It could be just that she didn't put the ring on,

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<v Speaker 2>or she maybe just didn't go with this carefully curated

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<v Speaker 2>outfit that she had paid thousands of dollars for someone

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<v Speaker 2>to pick out for her.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she just forgot.

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<v Speaker 2>I have seen her out and about without her ring before.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not something that I'm ever clocking. But but my

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<v Speaker 2>only thing is if you're being watched so intently, it

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<v Speaker 2>just feels like a bit of a choice potentially not

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<v Speaker 2>to put it on, even to say like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna wear it and I don't care because it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>go with my outfit, or I'm not gonna wear it

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<v Speaker 2>out tonight and I don't care what people think. I

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<v Speaker 2>just think it's come off the back of her bit

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<v Speaker 2>of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Just quietly.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think like a huge diamond with her ring.

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<v Speaker 1>Is pretty bloody gorgeous. I do really like her ring.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine it doesn't go this huge diamond doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>go with my outfit?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, it's I think that I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>that it didn't go with her outfit. Might look I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to give Hailey the benefit of the doubt because

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<v Speaker 1>they really I feel like she's been through the ring up.

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<v Speaker 1>There has been so much speculation about her relationship with Justin.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about it here on the Spill a number

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<v Speaker 1>of times. They keep saying we're fine. Then that people

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<v Speaker 1>keep coming up with ways to say we're not fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, but you know it's like where they smoke

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<v Speaker 1>this fire. Maybe there is some validity behind this, but

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<v Speaker 1>until we hear otherwise, I'm giving her the benefit of

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<v Speaker 1>the doubt and just saying that she forgot to put

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<v Speaker 1>her ring on, Yes exactly, I mean you forgot to

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<v Speaker 1>put jewelry on today.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I've got no not none of them are

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<v Speaker 2>engaged in ring. But I forgot all of my jewelry

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<v Speaker 2>today and I nearly didn't come to work. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like if you forget your jewelry, you shouldered to take

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<v Speaker 2>a personal day. Both Haley Beaber and I were in

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<v Speaker 2>the same boat. But I also think with this like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a little I think just because the build

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<v Speaker 2>up from the last week, especially so Justin Bieber put

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<v Speaker 2>up this Instagram story saying he was being given the

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<v Speaker 2>silent treatment, people just assumed that was something to do

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<v Speaker 2>with Haley. There was also that thing a while ago

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<v Speaker 2>where they'd unfollow each other on Instagram, which they do

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. They said it was a glitch, which I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Glitch is on Instagram get a bad rap

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<v Speaker 2>because every time a celebrity unfollows someone accidentally posts something

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<v Speaker 2>like something they say it's a glitch. We don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>There was. Obviously Justin Bieber's been a bit on the

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<v Speaker 2>record with some people who previously work with him that

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<v Speaker 2>he's had some mental health issues. There is something there,

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<v Speaker 2>he's had some breakdowns with paparazzi. To be fair, the

0:11:43.424 --> 0:11:46.744
<v Speaker 2>paparazzi were literally like chasing him through the street and

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<v Speaker 2>half knocking him over, like I would have yelled at

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<v Speaker 2>them as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think Justin Bieber has something deeper going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that he's probably in a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a crisis at the moment. I don't know. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you say their performance with Sissa, Yeah yeah, and all

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<v Speaker 1>these people were talking about how he was doing the fentifold.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and they were playing it was super inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're saying it was the reason that he was

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<v Speaker 1>like nodding off is because he was on some really

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<v Speaker 1>hard drugs. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that was the speculation.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't obviously, we don't know what's going on with him,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's pretty clear from the from looking in he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't look very well. Yes, whether that's just exhaustion or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe having a mental health crisis. Like, who

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<v Speaker 1>knows what's going on. But as we've seen so many

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<v Speaker 1>times with celebrities, if you keep pushing them, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make anything any better, you know what I mean. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>he's obviously going through something, whether their relationship is on

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<v Speaker 1>the rocks or not. They have the right to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to tell us when they're ready to, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>really doubling down on the fact that they're okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well that's that's the thing. They're doing so much

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<v Speaker 2>press in one corner, and then these like a photo

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<v Speaker 2>without her without her ring, or that audit that was

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<v Speaker 2>done the other day that show that he was like

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly bankrupt, that's why he sold his masters, and then

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of flipped the story again. And then she'll

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<v Speaker 2>post like a beautiful photo of them with their baby

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<v Speaker 2>jack Blues, but then like a negative story. It's like this,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like they're keep trying to like build up this

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<v Speaker 2>wall of like we're fine, we're fine, and they're like

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<v Speaker 2>another wave of bad publicity just keeps coming in and

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<v Speaker 2>just like knocking that wall over.

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<v Speaker 1>You think the sale of Road would give her a

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<v Speaker 1>couple more weeks, she only got like one good week

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<v Speaker 1>of press out. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, to be fair, that was a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>justin Bieber's fault, because like that whole thing happened around

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<v Speaker 2>the time she did that Vogue article and he put

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<v Speaker 2>up and she was on the cover of Vogue, which

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<v Speaker 2>is like huge, and then he put up saying I'd

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<v Speaker 2>never thought she'd be on the cover of Vogue, and

0:13:39.504 --> 0:13:42.224
<v Speaker 2>it's like, like she's trying to do good publicity for you.

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<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing in that Vogue article is that she

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<v Speaker 2>did like she referenced exactly the conversation we're having now.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like, I just have to accept that people

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<v Speaker 2>will never believe that we're happily married. She's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>kept thinking, like, once we got engaged, now people will

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<v Speaker 2>believe it. Once we got married, now people will believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she was like, and now we have a baby, like,

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<v Speaker 2>now surely people will leave us alone. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of kind of like feel her defeat in

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<v Speaker 2>that Vogue article, and I think that that is probably

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<v Speaker 2>how she's seeing, like feeling at the moment seeing all

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<v Speaker 2>these photos everywhere people thinking that they're getting divorced because

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<v Speaker 2>of that photo, and you're just like, like, now that

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<v Speaker 2>that story is out there, like you can't put the

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<v Speaker 2>genie back in the bottle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think, you know what, We're gonna be talking

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about them this year. I feel I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is at the end of the Hailey justin drama.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think she just left it on the on

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<v Speaker 1>the counter. She forgot to put her ring on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she was putting cream on her hands or something. She

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<v Speaker 1>forgot to put her ring back on. That's my speculation.

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<v Speaker 1>It happens. We've got some more relationship news as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Tammy Hembrou and Matt Zukowski have split, confirming their divorce

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<v Speaker 1>after less than a year of marriage. Now. She released

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<v Speaker 1>a seven minute TikTok video on her account the other

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<v Speaker 1>day app basically confirming what a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 1>been speculating for the last few weeks. So Tammy and Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt used to be on Love Island. They met, had

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<v Speaker 1>this beautiful wedding in Byron Bay. She wore the most

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful pale pink.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a really beautiful dress, like stunning wedding. She

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<v Speaker 1>walked down the side of the pool. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>really glamorous, gorgeous wedding, but had like a seventiered cake.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very extravagant. Less than a year after getting married,

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<v Speaker 1>they're divorced now. In this TikTok video, she is basically

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how nasty everyone is. So I'm gonna just

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<v Speaker 1>have a quick listen to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Claire.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, I've like, I get a lot of nasty comments

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<v Speaker 3>being like, oh another marriage, like this is my first marriage,

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<v Speaker 3>just FYI, But no comment that anyone could say, like,

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<v Speaker 3>these comments haven't even been really getting to me, because

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<v Speaker 3>nothing anyone could say could make me.

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<v Speaker 4>Feel like more like shit than I already do, like

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<v Speaker 4>more humiliated or more like I already like think that

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<v Speaker 4>about myself right now.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't think those comments are getting to me

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm already there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So she's so here, we can see Tammy. She's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously really upset. She's talking about how you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the backlashes being a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 1>like a calm on lady, which I kind of have

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<v Speaker 1>to admit, I kind of feel.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I understand because that has been the sentiment from

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of different people. It's interesting because I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like there's been such a build up to this. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there was so much sort of back and forth before

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<v Speaker 2>their wedding in December over whether or not they would

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<v Speaker 2>go through with it. Because they are one of those couples.

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<v Speaker 2>They are a little bit like Haley and Justin where

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes they'll do these little public things like unfollow each

0:16:52.664 --> 0:16:54.024
<v Speaker 2>other where you feel like they are just having a

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<v Speaker 2>tiff behind the scenes, but because they're so public, it

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<v Speaker 2>blows up into a big thing. And all those photos

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<v Speaker 2>came out leading up to their wedding where it looked

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<v Speaker 2>like Tammy was like breaking down at her hens party

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<v Speaker 2>and crying. People speculated it was because she was unhappy

0:17:08.024 --> 0:17:10.184
<v Speaker 2>she was getting married, or that Matt had done something,

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<v Speaker 2>And then every time something like a story like that

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<v Speaker 2>bubbled up. I guess because they're both such huge influences,

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<v Speaker 2>They've got these huge public profiles. She also owns a business,

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<v Speaker 2>he does a podcast, like so much of their life

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<v Speaker 2>is very very public, and it's almost like they had

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<v Speaker 2>to keep stepping in and doing damage control leading up

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<v Speaker 2>to the wedding, and then even after the wedding, there's

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<v Speaker 2>been such a huge build up to this divorce announcement.

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<v Speaker 2>So like again, they were following and following each other

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there was a lot of like lip syncing breakup

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<v Speaker 1>video like breakup songs like this has been people have

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<v Speaker 1>been speculating this for a long time. Yes, they had

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<v Speaker 1>kind of been the writing's been on the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Well exactly like, they haven't been pictured together in months.

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<v Speaker 2>They were sort of avoiding talking about each other in

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<v Speaker 2>interviews and all that sort of stuff. And then just

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<v Speaker 2>before this came out, she had missus Zikowski like in

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<v Speaker 2>her Instagram and then she deleted that first kind of

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<v Speaker 2>let people see that information, let them bubble away with

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<v Speaker 2>all their thoughts, and then put this video out.

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<v Speaker 1>My feeling is this, She's clearly someone who loves deeply

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<v Speaker 1>and loves passionately, and there are people who who love

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<v Speaker 1>like that and fall hard and fast. She hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>married before, she has been engaged before to her. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's her third child's baby daddy. I think she

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<v Speaker 1>was engaged to him. She's got three kids. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, she's been through it. I don't feel sorry

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<v Speaker 1>for her really because and the reason I don't feel

0:18:34.704 --> 0:18:36.424
<v Speaker 1>it makes it sound really harsh. It makes me sound

0:18:36.464 --> 0:18:39.424
<v Speaker 1>like I'm being mean. But you're dating this person, you

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<v Speaker 1>have this massive weddings, this big display of love eight

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<v Speaker 1>months that is nothing in the scheme of a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>that is nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>And also eight months they've announced it like it obviously

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<v Speaker 2>happened a few months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>How can you give up that quickly if you're really

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<v Speaker 1>like eight months is like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason I say that, like, and I'm not hered.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to sound like a like holier than

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<v Speaker 1>their relationship person, but I've been in a relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>my partner since, like for sixteen years. Eight months is nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can tell you right now we've had periods

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<v Speaker 1>of eight months where I haven't wanted to talk to him.

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<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't mean that I've just like given up,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean? I feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she had this whole idea of this fairytale romance and

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<v Speaker 1>then it didn't work out, and I'm like, Okay, well

0:19:30.264 --> 0:19:31.224
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna get like.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think it's And again, I've gotta I

0:19:33.464 --> 0:19:35.504
<v Speaker 2>don't know these people, Like obviously, I know I know

0:19:35.544 --> 0:19:38.104
<v Speaker 2>their public profiles, but I have like no and I

0:19:38.144 --> 0:19:40.944
<v Speaker 2>don't only know like the surface level of their public profiles.

0:19:40.944 --> 0:19:43.024
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm not a huge follower of both of the

0:19:43.064 --> 0:19:45.664
<v Speaker 2>men anyway. But so when you say you don't feel sorry,

0:19:45.704 --> 0:19:48.464
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about that like that TikTok where she that

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<v Speaker 2>she put up where it like it's it's also set

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<v Speaker 2>up I think to be very and I'm not sort

0:19:53.424 --> 0:19:55.064
<v Speaker 2>of calling her like a mastermind or anything, but I

0:19:55.064 --> 0:19:58.304
<v Speaker 2>think someone who has built their entire public profile off

0:19:58.824 --> 0:20:02.064
<v Speaker 2>sharing videos of her life, if you're gonna post your

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<v Speaker 2>marriage ending video, you put a lot of thought and

0:20:04.984 --> 0:20:07.184
<v Speaker 2>time into how you do it. So I do think

0:20:07.184 --> 0:20:09.904
<v Speaker 2>it was quite curated in the way that she's just

0:20:10.024 --> 0:20:11.624
<v Speaker 2>sort of sitting in her closet, and it's not a

0:20:11.624 --> 0:20:13.424
<v Speaker 2>fancy looking closet, like I do think it is a

0:20:13.504 --> 0:20:15.744
<v Speaker 2>huge closet, but she's kind of sitting in one little

0:20:15.744 --> 0:20:17.944
<v Speaker 2>corner of it. There's all like the just the white

0:20:17.944 --> 0:20:20.784
<v Speaker 2>plastic hangers hanging behind her. She kind of looks like

0:20:20.824 --> 0:20:23.264
<v Speaker 2>she's just sort of just very casually sitting, Like her

0:20:23.264 --> 0:20:26.144
<v Speaker 2>makeup looks gorgeous, but like very natural. She's got like

0:20:26.184 --> 0:20:29.144
<v Speaker 2>a really soft yellow top on. All these things to

0:20:29.224 --> 0:20:32.184
<v Speaker 2>kind of just be like, this is relatable, this is vulnerable,

0:20:32.304 --> 0:20:34.544
<v Speaker 2>and it's not set like an opulent part of the

0:20:34.744 --> 0:20:36.464
<v Speaker 2>huge house we know she lives in. So I do

0:20:36.504 --> 0:20:39.104
<v Speaker 2>think that that was kind of set up in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of just knowing that also a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 2>don't follow her normally would come and watch the breakup video,

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<v Speaker 2>and knowing I think all these eyes would be on it.

0:20:46.544 --> 0:20:49.144
<v Speaker 2>But I also think, like the video itself, like I

0:20:49.184 --> 0:20:50.464
<v Speaker 2>did feel bad for her. I thought this was a

0:20:50.544 --> 0:20:53.824
<v Speaker 2>hugely vulnerable thing to share and like a really emotional

0:20:53.824 --> 0:20:55.384
<v Speaker 2>thing to look at. I don't know, maybe I'm just

0:20:55.384 --> 0:20:57.024
<v Speaker 2>a sad but I felt really bad, but.

0:20:57.224 --> 0:21:00.584
<v Speaker 1>I didn't Like I think she's being genuine when she

0:21:00.584 --> 0:21:04.304
<v Speaker 1>says she's humiliated. Absolutely, I do think she is. I

0:21:04.344 --> 0:21:07.144
<v Speaker 1>don't blame her for falling hard, like I don't blame

0:21:07.184 --> 0:21:10.264
<v Speaker 1>her for falling hard and fast for someone I don't.

0:21:10.384 --> 0:21:13.424
<v Speaker 1>I don't blame her, but I don't really feel sorry

0:21:13.464 --> 0:21:16.224
<v Speaker 1>for her, because like you're thirty one years old, lady,

0:21:16.304 --> 0:21:19.464
<v Speaker 1>Like you're you're a grown ass woman, you've got three kids,

0:21:20.024 --> 0:21:22.824
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, I know, But I just think him as well,

0:21:22.864 --> 0:21:25.024
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm not just putting this on her, like I'm

0:21:25.064 --> 0:21:27.464
<v Speaker 1>also putting this on you, like both they both are

0:21:27.504 --> 0:21:28.664
<v Speaker 1>responsible for the press.

0:21:28.384 --> 0:21:30.104
<v Speaker 2>But also we don't like the thing in the video

0:21:30.224 --> 0:21:31.864
<v Speaker 2>is like she talked a lot about like she's like

0:21:31.944 --> 0:21:34.744
<v Speaker 2>I need to take responsibility. I've made bad relationship choices.

0:21:34.864 --> 0:21:37.184
<v Speaker 2>I need to like be you know, thinking of my kids.

0:21:37.184 --> 0:21:39.264
<v Speaker 2>So she said all that, but she didn't actually say

0:21:39.264 --> 0:21:41.504
<v Speaker 2>why they broke up, like for all we know, and

0:21:41.544 --> 0:21:43.504
<v Speaker 2>again this is just allegedly, but for all we know,

0:21:43.664 --> 0:21:45.864
<v Speaker 2>like he cheated on her or she cheated on him,

0:21:45.864 --> 0:21:47.944
<v Speaker 2>like we just don't know. There were all those photos

0:21:47.944 --> 0:21:50.104
<v Speaker 2>that came out, like just before she put the announcement

0:21:50.144 --> 0:21:52.664
<v Speaker 2>out of him with a journalist. I don't want to

0:21:52.664 --> 0:21:54.104
<v Speaker 2>say her name because I don't know if she's getting

0:21:54.104 --> 0:21:55.224
<v Speaker 2>a lot of hate and that sort of stuff, But

0:21:55.264 --> 0:21:58.064
<v Speaker 2>there were photos that came out. They're being photos previously,

0:21:58.184 --> 0:21:59.464
<v Speaker 2>so it's one of those things we just don't know

0:21:59.504 --> 0:22:01.864
<v Speaker 2>what happened. But I just think also, and again I

0:22:01.904 --> 0:22:03.824
<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm really projecting on this woman who I

0:22:03.904 --> 0:22:06.184
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but I feel like there still is this

0:22:06.304 --> 0:22:08.704
<v Speaker 2>huge thing, especially if you live a very public life,

0:22:09.064 --> 0:22:11.384
<v Speaker 2>to have that big fairy tail wedding and just to

0:22:11.464 --> 0:22:14.384
<v Speaker 2>lock it down. So it kind of does feel like

0:22:14.384 --> 0:22:16.944
<v Speaker 2>they were in that situation where it just went too

0:22:17.024 --> 0:22:19.144
<v Speaker 2>hard and too fast and the big wedding was locked

0:22:19.184 --> 0:22:21.984
<v Speaker 2>in and they engage like they're engagement was this huge

0:22:21.984 --> 0:22:25.024
<v Speaker 2>thing on a beautiful overseas tropic or island on the beach, and.

0:22:25.264 --> 0:22:27.584
<v Speaker 1>Just like just pump the brakes for a second.

0:22:28.104 --> 0:22:29.944
<v Speaker 2>I know, But I also just think that some people

0:22:30.024 --> 0:22:32.104
<v Speaker 2>just live very like accelerated live.

0:22:32.264 --> 0:22:34.104
<v Speaker 1>I know, but this is the thing, the thing that

0:22:34.144 --> 0:22:36.304
<v Speaker 1>really can you imagine being a guest at that wedding?

0:22:36.424 --> 0:22:38.144
<v Speaker 2>Oh no? Can I just and I have been to

0:22:38.184 --> 0:22:40.384
<v Speaker 2>weddings like that, Like haven't you been to weddings like that?

0:22:40.424 --> 0:22:42.344
<v Speaker 2>Where you're sitting there and it's so opulent, so over

0:22:42.344 --> 0:22:45.064
<v Speaker 2>the top, and you're looking at these people and sometimes

0:22:45.104 --> 0:22:46.704
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like I'm like a crazy person in

0:22:46.744 --> 0:22:49.384
<v Speaker 2>a horror movie where like everyone's been taken around by clones.

0:22:49.464 --> 0:22:51.464
<v Speaker 2>Because I look around and I'm like, we all know

0:22:51.624 --> 0:22:52.584
<v Speaker 2>this is a terrible idea.

0:22:52.944 --> 0:22:54.984
<v Speaker 1>Do you need to do like a return policy if

0:22:54.984 --> 0:22:58.664
<v Speaker 1>it's within twelve months, like you know, can I get

0:22:58.664 --> 0:22:59.504
<v Speaker 1>my gift back?

0:22:59.824 --> 0:23:01.824
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, if their marriage ends terrible after a

0:23:01.864 --> 0:23:03.424
<v Speaker 2>few months, I'm happy for them to keep the gift.

0:23:03.504 --> 0:23:05.504
<v Speaker 2>But I'm just saying, we've all gone to weddings where

0:23:05.504 --> 0:23:08.184
<v Speaker 2>you're like, I just feel like this like the train

0:23:08.224 --> 0:23:10.584
<v Speaker 2>had just left the station and they had to stay

0:23:10.624 --> 0:23:12.784
<v Speaker 2>on it, and we're all sitting here agreen that these

0:23:12.824 --> 0:23:15.344
<v Speaker 2>people shouldn't be getting married, and they're saying all these

0:23:15.384 --> 0:23:16.584
<v Speaker 2>things to each other in front of.

0:23:16.904 --> 0:23:19.704
<v Speaker 1>Ass ingenuous well, yes, exactly, you know, I mean, like

0:23:19.784 --> 0:23:22.824
<v Speaker 1>professing your love for each other and then eight months,

0:23:22.864 --> 0:23:25.264
<v Speaker 1>eight months, and that's what we know. So let's just

0:23:25.264 --> 0:23:28.144
<v Speaker 1>say they split up four months ago or whatever. Yeah,

0:23:28.344 --> 0:23:30.984
<v Speaker 1>so you're saying to me, you're professing your love to

0:23:31.024 --> 0:23:34.584
<v Speaker 1>each other with this multi you know, hundreds and thousands

0:23:34.584 --> 0:23:38.624
<v Speaker 1>of dollars on this wedding, talking about how much you

0:23:38.704 --> 0:23:42.584
<v Speaker 1>adore each other, and then four months, six months, like

0:23:42.864 --> 0:23:43.704
<v Speaker 1>it's done.

0:23:44.344 --> 0:23:47.944
<v Speaker 2>I know, but again I don't performative. Well, I think

0:23:48.024 --> 0:23:50.264
<v Speaker 2>performative is why a lot of people get stuck in

0:23:50.264 --> 0:23:53.144
<v Speaker 2>these situations because once you set up this huge wedding

0:23:53.344 --> 0:23:55.744
<v Speaker 2>and people book travel and you and you do all

0:23:55.744 --> 0:23:58.264
<v Speaker 2>this stuff, it would be so hard to pull the plug.

0:23:58.304 --> 0:24:00.464
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like that's what so many people who

0:24:00.744 --> 0:24:03.024
<v Speaker 2>have had marriages that have ended really shortly like. And

0:24:03.024 --> 0:24:04.584
<v Speaker 2>it's always the women who have to come out and

0:24:04.624 --> 0:24:07.864
<v Speaker 2>explain it and say everything. But like, and I think,

0:24:07.944 --> 0:24:10.584
<v Speaker 2>like it happens more than we kind of realize, just

0:24:10.584 --> 0:24:12.864
<v Speaker 2>like when it happens on a huge scale to a celebrity,

0:24:12.864 --> 0:24:14.944
<v Speaker 2>it seems bigger, Like the same thing happened with Kim

0:24:14.984 --> 0:24:17.984
<v Speaker 2>Kardashi and when she married Chris Humphreys, like she was

0:24:18.064 --> 0:24:20.824
<v Speaker 2>at the end, was like sobbing and saying, I'm so humiliated.

0:24:20.984 --> 0:24:22.464
<v Speaker 2>I think it must be like it must feel like

0:24:22.464 --> 0:24:24.544
<v Speaker 2>a deep humiliation. But she was just saying it was

0:24:24.584 --> 0:24:26.984
<v Speaker 2>too much like the wedding was all set up like

0:24:27.104 --> 0:24:30.224
<v Speaker 2>people what everyone was later it was this huge, opulent thing.

0:24:30.744 --> 0:24:33.264
<v Speaker 2>And I also think about like Olivia Molly Rodgers, who

0:24:33.384 --> 0:24:35.264
<v Speaker 2>was talked about in her podcast and she's written about

0:24:35.264 --> 0:24:38.024
<v Speaker 2>it for Mamma Mia, where she also said that to

0:24:38.144 --> 0:24:41.264
<v Speaker 2>her when she was getting married, that she was also

0:24:41.384 --> 0:24:44.184
<v Speaker 2>feeling those doubts leading up into the wedding day, but

0:24:44.224 --> 0:24:46.184
<v Speaker 2>she also just like it was she just felt like

0:24:46.224 --> 0:24:47.784
<v Speaker 2>it was a bit too late to pull out. And

0:24:48.184 --> 0:24:49.744
<v Speaker 2>I think also a lot of these women just think,

0:24:49.824 --> 0:24:53.104
<v Speaker 2>like leading up to these weddings, like it's very heightened,

0:24:53.104 --> 0:24:55.464
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of stress. And I think what something

0:24:55.464 --> 0:24:58.064
<v Speaker 2>they all seem to tell themselves is once we get

0:24:58.104 --> 0:25:00.144
<v Speaker 2>through this and we get back to normal life, things

0:25:00.144 --> 0:25:01.664
<v Speaker 2>will be better. So we just have to get through,

0:25:01.744 --> 0:25:04.424
<v Speaker 2>you know, like you just cut compartment, right.

0:25:04.904 --> 0:25:06.464
<v Speaker 1>I do feel a little bit sorry for her, but

0:25:06.664 --> 0:25:08.984
<v Speaker 1>also but I just I just I just look at

0:25:09.024 --> 0:25:10.504
<v Speaker 1>it and I'm Forgod's sake.

0:25:11.144 --> 0:25:12.864
<v Speaker 2>And again, I think that's what a lot of people.

0:25:12.904 --> 0:25:14.424
<v Speaker 2>I was like deep in the comments for all of

0:25:14.424 --> 0:25:16.224
<v Speaker 2>this because I wanted to see how people are reacting

0:25:16.584 --> 0:25:18.704
<v Speaker 2>and apart from some people being like, I think you're

0:25:18.704 --> 0:25:20.584
<v Speaker 2>the problem, and I'm like, oh, it's a bit harsh,

0:25:20.624 --> 0:25:22.544
<v Speaker 2>Like it's a bit harsh having like three partners and

0:25:22.824 --> 0:25:24.584
<v Speaker 2>your thirty is like not that, it's just that she's

0:25:24.584 --> 0:25:26.624
<v Speaker 2>a public figure, so it seems.

0:25:26.144 --> 0:25:28.824
<v Speaker 1>More than three kids. I think. Yeah, I think it's

0:25:28.544 --> 0:25:30.624
<v Speaker 1>the kids thing that I think a lot of people

0:25:30.984 --> 0:25:33.464
<v Speaker 1>sort of slut shame her for a little bit. And

0:25:33.504 --> 0:25:35.744
<v Speaker 1>I'm not here to slut shame her, but I do

0:25:35.864 --> 0:25:39.104
<v Speaker 1>think once you have children, it's your responsibility to protect them,

0:25:39.264 --> 0:25:42.824
<v Speaker 1>particularly from relationships. And these kids are old enough to

0:25:42.904 --> 0:25:44.984
<v Speaker 1>know what's going on. Oh yeah, well I mean they

0:25:45.024 --> 0:25:48.464
<v Speaker 1>were all yeah, so she's clearly embarrassed by that. I'm

0:25:48.464 --> 0:25:50.864
<v Speaker 1>not saying she's a bad mother at all. Yeah, of course,

0:25:50.944 --> 0:25:53.064
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure she wants what's best for her children. You

0:25:53.064 --> 0:25:55.064
<v Speaker 1>can tell she loves her children. I'm not saying that

0:25:55.104 --> 0:25:58.664
<v Speaker 1>at all, But like, you know, you've gone through all

0:25:58.744 --> 0:26:02.264
<v Speaker 1>of this is huge to do, and now what it's over.

0:26:02.744 --> 0:26:05.464
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I Also I wonder if the kids thing

0:26:05.584 --> 0:26:07.264
<v Speaker 2>is a factor too, And again it's so so storry

0:26:07.304 --> 0:26:09.024
<v Speaker 2>to be having this conversation about someone we don't know.

0:26:09.104 --> 0:26:11.424
<v Speaker 2>But again, so much of her life is public and

0:26:11.464 --> 0:26:14.304
<v Speaker 2>people project things on because if you even when she

0:26:14.464 --> 0:26:17.264
<v Speaker 2>was single before she met Matt, there were people being like, oh,

0:26:17.304 --> 0:26:19.624
<v Speaker 2>those kids need like a stable influence, they need like

0:26:19.664 --> 0:26:21.624
<v Speaker 2>a father figure, even though that obviously have their fathers

0:26:21.624 --> 0:26:24.224
<v Speaker 2>who are involved in their lives. And so you have

0:26:24.344 --> 0:26:27.024
<v Speaker 2>this it's almost like a no win situation, Like you

0:26:27.064 --> 0:26:29.104
<v Speaker 2>have this pressure to be married and to be in

0:26:29.144 --> 0:26:31.904
<v Speaker 2>this very happy relationship, and you have this pressure to

0:26:31.904 --> 0:26:34.664
<v Speaker 2>get this fairy tale ending, which like still to this

0:26:34.784 --> 0:26:37.384
<v Speaker 2>day getting married, as much as like everyone says like

0:26:37.384 --> 0:26:39.504
<v Speaker 2>it's not, it is like getting married is still the

0:26:39.544 --> 0:26:42.984
<v Speaker 2>biggest achievement in a woman's life publicly, Like it's the

0:26:43.024 --> 0:26:45.824
<v Speaker 2>only time you get that sort of level of adoration

0:26:46.144 --> 0:26:49.584
<v Speaker 2>and fame and love and success. It's the only time

0:26:49.624 --> 0:26:52.264
<v Speaker 2>you really get celebrated once you become an adult. So

0:26:52.264 --> 0:26:53.864
<v Speaker 2>I think it's hard to sort of have that and

0:26:53.904 --> 0:26:55.504
<v Speaker 2>be like, this is the main thing we're going to

0:26:55.544 --> 0:26:58.104
<v Speaker 2>celebrate you for. But then if you rush into it

0:26:58.104 --> 0:26:59.864
<v Speaker 2>because you're trying to get this thing that people are

0:26:59.864 --> 0:27:01.744
<v Speaker 2>telling you should have, then you get punished for it.

0:27:02.104 --> 0:27:03.624
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's a very strange thing. I did

0:27:03.664 --> 0:27:05.104
<v Speaker 2>see a lot of people being like, she doesn't have

0:27:05.184 --> 0:27:07.944
<v Speaker 2>to explain. But I feel also like you if you've

0:27:08.144 --> 0:27:11.664
<v Speaker 2>monetized it to make it, and you've like picked all

0:27:11.664 --> 0:27:14.024
<v Speaker 2>these people to know why, yeah, oh, I mean I

0:27:14.064 --> 0:27:17.224
<v Speaker 2>would love to know more details later. I'm not above

0:27:17.224 --> 0:27:19.184
<v Speaker 2>that gossip, but I know I'm from the general from

0:27:19.184 --> 0:27:20.944
<v Speaker 2>the video where she's explaining, I saw a lot of

0:27:20.984 --> 0:27:23.184
<v Speaker 2>people in the comments being like, you don't know us anything,

0:27:23.624 --> 0:27:25.144
<v Speaker 2>And I do think it's that fine line where like

0:27:25.224 --> 0:27:28.784
<v Speaker 2>she's such a public figure and that wedding like they

0:27:28.864 --> 0:27:31.344
<v Speaker 2>created a huge amount of content from it. I still

0:27:31.344 --> 0:27:33.864
<v Speaker 2>also think no one gets married just for content. I

0:27:33.864 --> 0:27:35.704
<v Speaker 2>feel like people do a lot of other things for content,

0:27:35.744 --> 0:27:38.664
<v Speaker 2>but I think actually getting married is such a step

0:27:38.704 --> 0:27:41.464
<v Speaker 2>too far, because yes, you get the photos, but then

0:27:41.544 --> 0:27:44.424
<v Speaker 2>you have to the initial payoff you get with sharing

0:27:44.464 --> 0:27:46.984
<v Speaker 2>the photos would not be worth the months of like

0:27:47.144 --> 0:27:49.944
<v Speaker 2>backlash and speculation you get and having to make that video,

0:27:50.104 --> 0:27:52.664
<v Speaker 2>like they they really cancel each other out. So I

0:27:52.704 --> 0:27:54.664
<v Speaker 2>don't think anyone does it for I think that kind

0:27:54.664 --> 0:27:56.144
<v Speaker 2>of it kind of like makes.

0:27:55.984 --> 0:28:00.104
<v Speaker 1>I think it got like she got caught up in it,

0:28:00.144 --> 0:28:03.384
<v Speaker 1>probably because of all of that, yeah, and the attention

0:28:03.544 --> 0:28:05.984
<v Speaker 1>and being in love and the ring and a big party.

0:28:06.144 --> 0:28:08.904
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm sure that that's part of it. You know,

0:28:08.904 --> 0:28:11.584
<v Speaker 1>who knows why this ended, But to be honest, it

0:28:11.704 --> 0:28:14.544
<v Speaker 1>was almost as soon as they got married, the speculation

0:28:14.664 --> 0:28:17.024
<v Speaker 1>that they would no longer together stop absolutely because they

0:28:17.024 --> 0:28:20.464
<v Speaker 1>see like and that's I think what kind of irritates

0:28:20.504 --> 0:28:22.864
<v Speaker 1>me a little bit. I'm like, I know, people get

0:28:22.864 --> 0:28:27.424
<v Speaker 1>married and then they get divorced, but like marriage is.

0:28:27.424 --> 0:28:30.104
<v Speaker 2>Hard, like yeah, but I think why some of these

0:28:30.104 --> 0:28:32.024
<v Speaker 2>marriages that end after a few months, I think why

0:28:32.064 --> 0:28:34.264
<v Speaker 2>they break up and why people who have been together

0:28:34.304 --> 0:28:36.904
<v Speaker 2>for years break up. Would be such a difference, Yeah,

0:28:37.184 --> 0:28:40.464
<v Speaker 2>such a different situation. And if you, like, if you've

0:28:40.464 --> 0:28:41.904
<v Speaker 2>been with someone for a few months and you get

0:28:41.904 --> 0:28:43.944
<v Speaker 2>swept up in the idea of a wedding and the party,

0:28:44.344 --> 0:28:46.624
<v Speaker 2>and then the party is over and you're you're looking

0:28:46.704 --> 0:28:49.584
<v Speaker 2>at that person, I can one hundred percent understand why

0:28:49.624 --> 0:28:50.944
<v Speaker 2>you would say, like, I'm not going to try with

0:28:50.984 --> 0:28:52.904
<v Speaker 2>you because I don't even like you. Yeah, Because I

0:28:52.904 --> 0:28:54.784
<v Speaker 2>think when you're talking, you're ow your husband having bad spots.

0:28:54.784 --> 0:28:56.384
<v Speaker 2>That's because you've been in love for years and you

0:28:56.464 --> 0:28:59.024
<v Speaker 2>have that foundation. But that was a stranger that you

0:28:59.024 --> 0:29:00.504
<v Speaker 2>don't even know on for a few months, and you'd

0:29:00.504 --> 0:29:02.304
<v Speaker 2>only know on them. But I wouldn't have gotten marriage

0:29:02.304 --> 0:29:06.464
<v Speaker 2>to different like situations. But if you've only known this

0:29:06.504 --> 0:29:09.704
<v Speaker 2>person in these beautiful romantic resorts or at events or

0:29:09.784 --> 0:29:12.704
<v Speaker 2>planning or I think that's very different to breaking up

0:29:12.704 --> 0:29:14.184
<v Speaker 2>with someone who you've been like in the trenches.

0:29:14.504 --> 0:29:16.584
<v Speaker 1>That's why I like, take your freaking time, girl.

0:29:17.584 --> 0:29:20.544
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I'm sure she's wishing that now, Like that

0:29:20.984 --> 0:29:22.984
<v Speaker 2>was my thought watching that video, and maybe I'm just

0:29:23.024 --> 0:29:25.064
<v Speaker 2>such a sap. I felt, really I felt so emotional

0:29:25.104 --> 0:29:26.544
<v Speaker 2>watching that for her because I was just like when

0:29:26.544 --> 0:29:28.624
<v Speaker 2>she kept saying, I'm so humiliated, and I was like,

0:29:28.984 --> 0:29:31.024
<v Speaker 2>this would be a lot. And also I also just

0:29:31.064 --> 0:29:34.384
<v Speaker 2>wonder what was going through her mind on the wedding day,

0:29:34.864 --> 0:29:36.984
<v Speaker 2>like because again so many women now who have gone

0:29:37.064 --> 0:29:39.144
<v Speaker 2>through that and who have publicly talked about it say like,

0:29:39.184 --> 0:29:40.864
<v Speaker 2>on the day, I felt sick on the day, I

0:29:40.904 --> 0:29:43.024
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to do it, and I wonder, like she

0:29:43.104 --> 0:29:45.104
<v Speaker 2>might never say it, but I wonder when you see

0:29:45.144 --> 0:29:47.904
<v Speaker 2>those photos of her and that beautiful pink Vera Wang

0:29:47.984 --> 0:29:51.624
<v Speaker 2>gown and like looking so happy shit and like with yeah,

0:29:51.664 --> 0:29:53.864
<v Speaker 2>with that beautiful estate in the flowers and her kids

0:29:53.864 --> 0:29:55.304
<v Speaker 2>like running up to her and being like mommy or

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<v Speaker 2>a princess. All that I want her from a head,

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<v Speaker 2>she's just like feeling sick, Like I just think that

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<v Speaker 2>would just be the worst feeling for it to be

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<v Speaker 2>so public and just feeling like so trapped.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, maybe she's gonna learn a lesson from this, and hopefully,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure she'll be okay, she'll be just fine. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be interested to see if they did do a prenup

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<v Speaker 1>because she's got a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, she's quite a smart businesswoman, so I'm assuming,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming. Surely, yeah, surely. Well, thank you so much

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