1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,624 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,584 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,624 --> 00:00:29,664 Speaker 2: to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 5 00:00:29,704 --> 00:00:32,224 Speaker 2: Brodnick and I'm Cacenula Kid, and we have a big 6 00:00:32,224 --> 00:00:34,224 Speaker 2: build up of stories over the weekend. That's the fun 7 00:00:34,224 --> 00:00:36,984 Speaker 2: thing about a Monday show is that on Fridays we 8 00:00:37,064 --> 00:00:39,504 Speaker 2: do like our fun little TV movie Deep Dive, and 9 00:00:39,504 --> 00:00:41,864 Speaker 2: then over the weekend, I'm just in my notes up 10 00:00:41,904 --> 00:00:44,304 Speaker 2: the whole time, all the little solicious updates that we 11 00:00:44,344 --> 00:00:45,024 Speaker 2: have to talk about. 12 00:00:45,144 --> 00:00:47,224 Speaker 1: I am going to just also address my voice. I 13 00:00:47,264 --> 00:00:49,464 Speaker 1: have had a flu and I sound I've got my 14 00:00:49,544 --> 00:00:50,704 Speaker 1: sexy flam going on. 15 00:00:51,144 --> 00:00:53,704 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's like that episode of Friends, you know, 16 00:00:53,704 --> 00:00:55,704 Speaker 2: where Phoebe gets sick and then she has this really 17 00:00:55,744 --> 00:00:58,424 Speaker 2: sexy singing voice and then she tries to get sick again. 18 00:00:58,584 --> 00:01:00,584 Speaker 2: So no, you do sound very sultry. 19 00:01:00,784 --> 00:01:02,984 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, And it's for all of the 20 00:01:03,064 --> 00:01:05,264 Speaker 1: sultry news that we've got today. 21 00:01:05,664 --> 00:01:09,144 Speaker 2: Yes, So coming up on the show today, there's been 22 00:01:09,184 --> 00:01:11,984 Speaker 2: a whole big divorce Converse station around Hayley Bieber and 23 00:01:12,104 --> 00:01:15,144 Speaker 2: Justin Bieber. It only took one photo to cement that story. 24 00:01:15,184 --> 00:01:17,304 Speaker 2: But we have an update that happened as we were 25 00:01:17,304 --> 00:01:20,424 Speaker 2: walking into the studio. Actually breaking news here, Investigative journalism 26 00:01:20,504 --> 00:01:23,824 Speaker 2: at play. Also, Timmy Hambrow has announced her divorce with 27 00:01:23,864 --> 00:01:27,544 Speaker 2: a very emotional video. The response from the public, which 28 00:01:27,544 --> 00:01:29,104 Speaker 2: is what we're going to be talking about, along with 29 00:01:29,144 --> 00:01:32,264 Speaker 2: how the separation was bradcrumbed, has been very intense. So 30 00:01:32,264 --> 00:01:34,264 Speaker 2: we're going to get into that. But first we have 31 00:01:34,304 --> 00:01:37,544 Speaker 2: an update in the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively legal 32 00:01:37,584 --> 00:01:41,224 Speaker 2: case involving Taylor Swift. So a few weeks ago we 33 00:01:41,624 --> 00:01:44,304 Speaker 2: gave the update that Taylor Swift had been subpoenaed by 34 00:01:44,464 --> 00:01:48,104 Speaker 2: Justin Baldonie's legal team basically to potentially appear in Core, 35 00:01:48,224 --> 00:01:50,704 Speaker 2: but also to have her phone in computer and computer 36 00:01:51,064 --> 00:01:54,584 Speaker 2: gone through to get evidence from the case. And they 37 00:01:54,984 --> 00:01:57,304 Speaker 2: put forward a motion to dismiss it, and we thought 38 00:01:57,344 --> 00:01:59,544 Speaker 2: that had gone ahead, but we had an update to 39 00:01:59,584 --> 00:02:02,144 Speaker 2: say the judge in the case has actually stepped in. 40 00:02:02,504 --> 00:02:05,424 Speaker 2: So a judge ruled on Wednesday that Justin Baldoni can 41 00:02:05,544 --> 00:02:09,624 Speaker 2: obtain any messages between Blake Lively and Taylor Swift that 42 00:02:09,704 --> 00:02:13,264 Speaker 2: are about the making of it ends with us and 43 00:02:13,544 --> 00:02:16,904 Speaker 2: specifically to do with the sexual assault allegations that she's 44 00:02:16,984 --> 00:02:19,664 Speaker 2: put forward. So in his order, the judge said that 45 00:02:19,704 --> 00:02:22,064 Speaker 2: he found the messages can be very relevant to the 46 00:02:22,104 --> 00:02:24,824 Speaker 2: case and that a protective order in place was to 47 00:02:24,864 --> 00:02:26,944 Speaker 2: prevent them from leaking to the press. So that's been 48 00:02:26,984 --> 00:02:29,864 Speaker 2: the big thing is that Justin Baldoni is saying and 49 00:02:29,904 --> 00:02:33,384 Speaker 2: his legal team is saying, that these messages could hold 50 00:02:33,384 --> 00:02:36,464 Speaker 2: the key to kind of proving his story right in 51 00:02:36,584 --> 00:02:39,664 Speaker 2: terms of how much Taylor Swift was involved in the 52 00:02:39,664 --> 00:02:41,864 Speaker 2: making of the movie, but more so about his behavior 53 00:02:41,904 --> 00:02:45,104 Speaker 2: on set. And then Taylor Swift's team and Blake Lively's 54 00:02:45,104 --> 00:02:48,184 Speaker 2: team separately because apparently something is going on behind the 55 00:02:48,184 --> 00:02:51,384 Speaker 2: scenes there, both came out and said that Justin's team 56 00:02:51,504 --> 00:02:54,624 Speaker 2: was doing this just to kind of pull her into 57 00:02:54,664 --> 00:02:57,024 Speaker 2: the story, yeah, and get her and use her public 58 00:02:57,064 --> 00:02:59,464 Speaker 2: profile and her fandom to bring more attention to his 59 00:02:59,464 --> 00:03:01,584 Speaker 2: side of the case. So the judge has come out 60 00:03:01,624 --> 00:03:04,944 Speaker 2: and said that he's like overall the previous thing about 61 00:03:04,944 --> 00:03:07,104 Speaker 2: her not being able to be subpoened, so that the 62 00:03:07,104 --> 00:03:10,664 Speaker 2: messages can be used, but there's a privacy bare them 63 00:03:10,704 --> 00:03:12,024 Speaker 2: so they can't be leaked to the press. 64 00:03:12,104 --> 00:03:14,744 Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see if they don't get leaked, 65 00:03:14,784 --> 00:03:18,344 Speaker 1: because it's one thing to say that, but as we 66 00:03:18,424 --> 00:03:22,544 Speaker 1: all know, these things often get let out. So I'm 67 00:03:22,584 --> 00:03:25,104 Speaker 1: sure they'll be heavily redacted. But I mean, this is 68 00:03:25,224 --> 00:03:27,904 Speaker 1: a pretty big ruling considering the fact that we're actually 69 00:03:27,984 --> 00:03:31,464 Speaker 1: now looking at private text messages between Taylor Swift and 70 00:03:31,864 --> 00:03:36,144 Speaker 1: Blake Lively, Like this is it's not a light thing. 71 00:03:36,184 --> 00:03:37,984 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I want anyone just 72 00:03:38,024 --> 00:03:39,784 Speaker 1: like grabbing my text messages. 73 00:03:40,024 --> 00:03:40,784 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. 74 00:03:40,944 --> 00:03:44,104 Speaker 1: The proviso that it has to be either about the 75 00:03:44,144 --> 00:03:48,144 Speaker 1: movie or the sexual assault allegations, I think is really key. 76 00:03:48,224 --> 00:03:50,864 Speaker 1: So he's not going to get access his team and 77 00:03:50,984 --> 00:03:53,184 Speaker 1: not going to get access to every single text message. 78 00:03:53,184 --> 00:03:56,864 Speaker 1: But I'm interested to see how they police that, Like 79 00:03:57,024 --> 00:04:01,384 Speaker 1: how do they know that she's given over everything unless 80 00:04:01,384 --> 00:04:02,744 Speaker 1: they go through everything? 81 00:04:02,864 --> 00:04:05,224 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly that I guess potentially they have a third 82 00:04:05,264 --> 00:04:07,184 Speaker 2: party go through her phone just played or do a 83 00:04:07,264 --> 00:04:10,824 Speaker 2: keyword search. Well that was the thing in the markl 84 00:04:10,864 --> 00:04:13,984 Speaker 2: and Prince Harry trial when they were in that when 85 00:04:14,184 --> 00:04:16,624 Speaker 2: in that back and forth big legal case with the 86 00:04:16,664 --> 00:04:19,504 Speaker 2: British press is that what they can do is not 87 00:04:19,584 --> 00:04:21,624 Speaker 2: say like we want to see all your text messages, 88 00:04:21,824 --> 00:04:25,064 Speaker 2: but we want every message and email with these key words. 89 00:04:25,224 --> 00:04:26,784 Speaker 2: And that's what Megan Michael was saying at the time. 90 00:04:26,864 --> 00:04:30,024 Speaker 2: She's like, the other side asked for words like Kate 91 00:04:30,184 --> 00:04:33,664 Speaker 2: William Archie Love all these kind of like weird words 92 00:04:33,704 --> 00:04:36,024 Speaker 2: because they were obviously trying to dig around and find 93 00:04:36,064 --> 00:04:38,864 Speaker 2: really salacious stuff. I think in this case too, because 94 00:04:38,864 --> 00:04:40,984 Speaker 2: this side of it has been so public and there's 95 00:04:41,024 --> 00:04:44,504 Speaker 2: been this real public speculation that Blake Lively and Taylor 96 00:04:44,544 --> 00:04:47,584 Speaker 2: Swift's like very long term, very close friendship, like she's 97 00:04:47,624 --> 00:04:50,224 Speaker 2: godmother to her children, has come to an end. There 98 00:04:50,264 --> 00:04:54,544 Speaker 2: was the whole Travis Kelcey unfollowing Ryan Reynolds thing. Taylorsof's 99 00:04:54,584 --> 00:04:57,344 Speaker 2: team put out a statement after the subpoena was initially 100 00:04:57,344 --> 00:05:00,424 Speaker 2: pulled back, saying that she had wanted to have nothing 101 00:05:00,464 --> 00:05:02,664 Speaker 2: to do with this case. And I think what's really 102 00:05:02,704 --> 00:05:04,224 Speaker 2: telling if that, if you go through some of the 103 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:08,224 Speaker 2: legal documents Blake Lively's team attempted to this is like 104 00:05:08,264 --> 00:05:10,784 Speaker 2: coming from the reports from that have been put forward 105 00:05:10,784 --> 00:05:13,784 Speaker 2: from their legal teams, is that Blake Lively's team attempted 106 00:05:13,824 --> 00:05:16,824 Speaker 2: to bargain with Justin Baldonie's team saying that they would 107 00:05:16,824 --> 00:05:20,384 Speaker 2: hand over a lot of different things or video footage 108 00:05:20,424 --> 00:05:23,824 Speaker 2: related to the film, unreducted versions of communication, or they 109 00:05:23,824 --> 00:05:26,224 Speaker 2: would hand over all these other things listed in Justin 110 00:05:26,304 --> 00:05:30,304 Speaker 2: Baldoni's complaint if Taylor Swift's text messages weren't subpoened as 111 00:05:30,304 --> 00:05:33,224 Speaker 2: like kind of a bargaining chip. And then Justin Baldoni's 112 00:05:33,264 --> 00:05:33,824 Speaker 2: team said no. 113 00:05:34,304 --> 00:05:37,344 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think Taylor would be absolutely furious 114 00:05:37,344 --> 00:05:40,144 Speaker 1: that she's been dragged into this because you know, she's 115 00:05:40,184 --> 00:05:43,544 Speaker 1: had such a great reputation for the last quite a 116 00:05:43,584 --> 00:05:45,784 Speaker 1: few years. Now. You know, she's taken back her power 117 00:05:46,024 --> 00:05:48,544 Speaker 1: doing all of her re recordings, and she's fought really 118 00:05:48,584 --> 00:05:52,344 Speaker 1: hard to have this reputation and to get sort of 119 00:05:52,464 --> 00:05:58,904 Speaker 1: dragged in by Blake Lively and it almost feels like unwillingly, 120 00:05:59,904 --> 00:06:03,704 Speaker 1: unwillingly dragged into it feels kind of not very fair. 121 00:06:03,944 --> 00:06:06,424 Speaker 1: So I can imagine that that would be a relationship 122 00:06:06,504 --> 00:06:08,904 Speaker 1: ender for a friendship. Yeah, and it seems like she 123 00:06:09,024 --> 00:06:11,464 Speaker 1: really is. She's going, I don't want to have anything 124 00:06:11,504 --> 00:06:13,664 Speaker 1: to do with this. I'm stepping away. 125 00:06:13,784 --> 00:06:16,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Well, this court case is still taking place 126 00:06:16,664 --> 00:06:19,384 Speaker 2: in March of next year, which felt so far away, 127 00:06:19,384 --> 00:06:21,344 Speaker 2: but it's creeping closer. But I think we'll have as 128 00:06:21,344 --> 00:06:23,624 Speaker 2: I go through this discovery period and as all these 129 00:06:23,664 --> 00:06:26,624 Speaker 2: emails and different bits of evidence get lead, there'll be 130 00:06:26,624 --> 00:06:29,624 Speaker 2: more updates. But yeah, at the moment, those text messages 131 00:06:29,624 --> 00:06:33,104 Speaker 2: are one hundred percent part of the case, Nana. So 132 00:06:33,224 --> 00:06:36,064 Speaker 2: onto another story that's been bubbling away over the weekend, 133 00:06:36,264 --> 00:06:38,424 Speaker 2: and that is this photo that has really cemented this 134 00:06:38,504 --> 00:06:41,384 Speaker 2: idea that Hailey Bieber and Justin Bieber are headed for divorce. 135 00:06:41,704 --> 00:06:44,024 Speaker 2: So what happened is that Haley is out and about 136 00:06:44,104 --> 00:06:46,944 Speaker 2: New York and she's, you know, doing what a lot 137 00:06:46,944 --> 00:06:49,864 Speaker 2: of starlet's do when they're in New York. She's going 138 00:06:49,864 --> 00:06:52,264 Speaker 2: to all the popular restaurants, so she's walking along those 139 00:06:52,264 --> 00:06:54,904 Speaker 2: streets and she's looking gorgeous in her beautiful fits and 140 00:06:54,904 --> 00:06:57,544 Speaker 2: getting photographed. And that is half the point of going 141 00:06:57,624 --> 00:06:59,704 Speaker 2: to New York is to kind of get that if 142 00:06:59,704 --> 00:07:02,544 Speaker 2: you're famous, to get that publicity. The only thing is 143 00:07:02,544 --> 00:07:06,144 Speaker 2: is that on Thursday she was photographed out and about 144 00:07:06,744 --> 00:07:08,984 Speaker 2: going for breakfast and going for dinner that night, both 145 00:07:09,024 --> 00:07:11,504 Speaker 2: times without her huge inc aangement ring that she always 146 00:07:11,544 --> 00:07:15,144 Speaker 2: has on her finger was not pictured. She later again 147 00:07:15,184 --> 00:07:18,504 Speaker 2: went out that night with Camilla Maroon and Suki Waterhouse, 148 00:07:18,584 --> 00:07:20,704 Speaker 2: two other women who have both really been through the 149 00:07:20,784 --> 00:07:23,904 Speaker 2: ringer in the past, with famous men Leonardo DiCaprio and 150 00:07:23,944 --> 00:07:26,944 Speaker 2: Bradley Cooper, respectively. So I feel like that dinner, I 151 00:07:26,944 --> 00:07:28,464 Speaker 2: would have even anything to still on at dinner and 152 00:07:28,464 --> 00:07:30,824 Speaker 2: just hear about them talking about these famous childish men 153 00:07:30,864 --> 00:07:32,704 Speaker 2: that two of them escaped and one of them is 154 00:07:32,944 --> 00:07:36,624 Speaker 2: still married to. So these photos seemingly harmless except for 155 00:07:36,624 --> 00:07:39,824 Speaker 2: the fact that her ring wasn't pictured. Were just spread everywhere, 156 00:07:39,864 --> 00:07:42,184 Speaker 2: all over the Internet, all over TikTok, all over every 157 00:07:42,184 --> 00:07:44,984 Speaker 2: social feed. All the tabloids picked it up, and it 158 00:07:45,064 --> 00:07:48,624 Speaker 2: really cemented the idea that they're headed for divorce after 159 00:07:48,664 --> 00:07:51,064 Speaker 2: all the negative speculation. Why are you laughing? 160 00:07:51,384 --> 00:07:53,584 Speaker 1: The reason I'm laughing is because the amount of times 161 00:07:53,624 --> 00:07:55,184 Speaker 1: I forget to put my engagement ring. 162 00:07:55,064 --> 00:07:57,264 Speaker 2: On, Well, that's what I was thinking, Like. 163 00:07:57,304 --> 00:07:59,784 Speaker 1: I put it on today because I knew we were 164 00:07:59,784 --> 00:08:00,424 Speaker 1: talking about it. 165 00:08:00,504 --> 00:08:01,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want me to say to you, are 166 00:08:01,784 --> 00:08:02,464 Speaker 2: you getting divorced? 167 00:08:02,744 --> 00:08:04,744 Speaker 1: I often forget to put it on because I take 168 00:08:04,744 --> 00:08:06,944 Speaker 1: it off. I don't sleep in my ring. Is it 169 00:08:07,024 --> 00:08:09,384 Speaker 1: possible that she just forgot to put her ring on. 170 00:08:09,624 --> 00:08:11,984 Speaker 2: Well, that was my I thought too, because I have 171 00:08:12,144 --> 00:08:15,824 Speaker 2: seen her out because so much of Hailey Baber's brand, 172 00:08:15,864 --> 00:08:18,464 Speaker 2: along with owning her business, is that she does these 173 00:08:18,544 --> 00:08:20,384 Speaker 2: pap walks a lot of the time. And she's even 174 00:08:20,384 --> 00:08:24,104 Speaker 2: said she works with a stylist who is specifically just 175 00:08:24,144 --> 00:08:26,784 Speaker 2: for street style, so she pays the same amount to 176 00:08:27,104 --> 00:08:29,344 Speaker 2: her and Kendall Janna both do. They pay the same 177 00:08:29,384 --> 00:08:32,464 Speaker 2: amount to their street stylist as other celebrities do for 178 00:08:32,504 --> 00:08:36,344 Speaker 2: a red carpet stylist. And so this woman will buy 179 00:08:36,464 --> 00:08:39,504 Speaker 2: these clothes, put these outfits together, and she'll literally just 180 00:08:39,544 --> 00:08:41,384 Speaker 2: wear them to walk down the street and get back 181 00:08:41,384 --> 00:08:44,384 Speaker 2: in the car. But that like really ups their their 182 00:08:44,424 --> 00:08:46,984 Speaker 2: like online cachet. It's like built their fandom. So it's 183 00:08:47,024 --> 00:08:49,104 Speaker 2: a really smart way to do it. So my only 184 00:08:49,144 --> 00:08:52,104 Speaker 2: thought was, if half of your brand is off these 185 00:08:52,144 --> 00:08:56,464 Speaker 2: paparazzi style shoots and you're paying thousands and thousands of 186 00:08:56,464 --> 00:08:59,384 Speaker 2: dollars to this really well known stylist to style you 187 00:08:59,544 --> 00:09:02,624 Speaker 2: for these street style moments, that's and you don't wear 188 00:09:02,664 --> 00:09:05,384 Speaker 2: your wedding ring. To me, that's a little bit more 189 00:09:05,424 --> 00:09:08,024 Speaker 2: telling than just like the average lady out and about 190 00:09:08,064 --> 00:09:09,224 Speaker 2: who hasn't popped her ring on. 191 00:09:09,624 --> 00:09:12,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, understand what you're saying, but I mean the thing 192 00:09:12,184 --> 00:09:14,584 Speaker 1: is Saturday night, so two nights later, so there was 193 00:09:14,624 --> 00:09:17,304 Speaker 1: two images of her not wearing a ring, and then 194 00:09:17,424 --> 00:09:19,864 Speaker 1: at the girls' night. So when she steps back out 195 00:09:19,904 --> 00:09:22,184 Speaker 1: on the town, she's got the ring back on her finger. 196 00:09:22,344 --> 00:09:24,304 Speaker 2: Yes, And actually as we were coming into the studio, 197 00:09:24,384 --> 00:09:26,944 Speaker 2: she was papped again walking up and down the street. 198 00:09:27,264 --> 00:09:29,424 Speaker 2: I can't even tell where she's going because it seemingly 199 00:09:29,504 --> 00:09:31,464 Speaker 2: is that she's just walking up and down the road 200 00:09:32,504 --> 00:09:34,704 Speaker 2: in front of like these New York hotels where I'm 201 00:09:34,744 --> 00:09:36,704 Speaker 2: not even sure if she's staying there, and the ring 202 00:09:36,784 --> 00:09:39,144 Speaker 2: is very visible on her finger. So yeah, it could 203 00:09:39,344 --> 00:09:40,944 Speaker 2: It could be just that she didn't put the ring on, 204 00:09:41,504 --> 00:09:43,944 Speaker 2: or she maybe just didn't go with this carefully curated 205 00:09:43,984 --> 00:09:46,624 Speaker 2: outfit that she had paid thousands of dollars for someone 206 00:09:46,664 --> 00:09:47,424 Speaker 2: to pick out for her. 207 00:09:47,504 --> 00:09:48,384 Speaker 1: I think she just forgot. 208 00:09:48,704 --> 00:09:50,904 Speaker 2: I have seen her out and about without her ring before. 209 00:09:50,944 --> 00:09:53,104 Speaker 2: It's not something that I'm ever clocking. But but my 210 00:09:53,184 --> 00:09:56,504 Speaker 2: only thing is if you're being watched so intently, it 211 00:09:56,544 --> 00:09:58,464 Speaker 2: just feels like a bit of a choice potentially not 212 00:09:58,504 --> 00:10:00,104 Speaker 2: to put it on, even to say like, I'm not 213 00:10:00,104 --> 00:10:01,744 Speaker 2: gonna wear it and I don't care because it doesn't 214 00:10:01,744 --> 00:10:03,704 Speaker 2: go with my outfit, or I'm not gonna wear it 215 00:10:03,744 --> 00:10:06,024 Speaker 2: out tonight and I don't care what people think. I 216 00:10:06,104 --> 00:10:08,704 Speaker 2: just think it's come off the back of her bit 217 00:10:08,744 --> 00:10:09,304 Speaker 2: of everything. 218 00:10:09,384 --> 00:10:09,904 Speaker 1: Just quietly. 219 00:10:10,384 --> 00:10:13,104 Speaker 2: I do think like a huge diamond with her ring. 220 00:10:12,944 --> 00:10:14,904 Speaker 1: Is pretty bloody gorgeous. I do really like her ring. 221 00:10:14,904 --> 00:10:17,384 Speaker 2: Can you imagine it doesn't go this huge diamond doesn't 222 00:10:17,384 --> 00:10:18,064 Speaker 2: go with my outfit? 223 00:10:18,264 --> 00:10:20,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's I think that I don't think it's 224 00:10:20,824 --> 00:10:23,104 Speaker 1: that it didn't go with her outfit. Might look I'm 225 00:10:23,104 --> 00:10:25,304 Speaker 1: going to give Hailey the benefit of the doubt because 226 00:10:25,344 --> 00:10:27,784 Speaker 1: they really I feel like she's been through the ring up. 227 00:10:27,864 --> 00:10:30,624 Speaker 1: There has been so much speculation about her relationship with Justin. 228 00:10:31,024 --> 00:10:33,224 Speaker 1: We talked about it here on the Spill a number 229 00:10:33,224 --> 00:10:37,784 Speaker 1: of times. They keep saying we're fine. Then that people 230 00:10:37,984 --> 00:10:40,504 Speaker 1: keep coming up with ways to say we're not fine. 231 00:10:40,664 --> 00:10:43,104 Speaker 1: You know, but you know it's like where they smoke 232 00:10:43,184 --> 00:10:47,504 Speaker 1: this fire. Maybe there is some validity behind this, but 233 00:10:47,704 --> 00:10:50,504 Speaker 1: until we hear otherwise, I'm giving her the benefit of 234 00:10:50,544 --> 00:10:52,224 Speaker 1: the doubt and just saying that she forgot to put 235 00:10:52,224 --> 00:10:54,504 Speaker 1: her ring on, Yes exactly, I mean you forgot to 236 00:10:54,544 --> 00:10:55,464 Speaker 1: put jewelry on today. 237 00:10:55,744 --> 00:10:57,504 Speaker 2: I know I've got no not none of them are 238 00:10:57,544 --> 00:10:59,304 Speaker 2: engaged in ring. But I forgot all of my jewelry 239 00:10:59,344 --> 00:11:01,064 Speaker 2: today and I nearly didn't come to work. I feel 240 00:11:01,064 --> 00:11:03,104 Speaker 2: like if you forget your jewelry, you shouldered to take 241 00:11:03,144 --> 00:11:05,104 Speaker 2: a personal day. Both Haley Beaber and I were in 242 00:11:05,144 --> 00:11:07,304 Speaker 2: the same boat. But I also think with this like 243 00:11:07,344 --> 00:11:09,824 Speaker 2: it's just a little I think just because the build 244 00:11:09,864 --> 00:11:13,184 Speaker 2: up from the last week, especially so Justin Bieber put 245 00:11:13,224 --> 00:11:15,104 Speaker 2: up this Instagram story saying he was being given the 246 00:11:15,104 --> 00:11:17,424 Speaker 2: silent treatment, people just assumed that was something to do 247 00:11:17,464 --> 00:11:19,824 Speaker 2: with Haley. There was also that thing a while ago 248 00:11:19,864 --> 00:11:22,104 Speaker 2: where they'd unfollow each other on Instagram, which they do 249 00:11:22,184 --> 00:11:24,664 Speaker 2: a lot. They said it was a glitch, which I 250 00:11:24,704 --> 00:11:28,104 Speaker 2: don't know. Glitch is on Instagram get a bad rap 251 00:11:28,104 --> 00:11:31,264 Speaker 2: because every time a celebrity unfollows someone accidentally posts something 252 00:11:31,344 --> 00:11:33,864 Speaker 2: like something they say it's a glitch. We don't know. 253 00:11:34,344 --> 00:11:36,664 Speaker 2: There was. Obviously Justin Bieber's been a bit on the 254 00:11:36,664 --> 00:11:38,664 Speaker 2: record with some people who previously work with him that 255 00:11:38,704 --> 00:11:40,984 Speaker 2: he's had some mental health issues. There is something there, 256 00:11:40,984 --> 00:11:43,424 Speaker 2: he's had some breakdowns with paparazzi. To be fair, the 257 00:11:43,424 --> 00:11:46,744 Speaker 2: paparazzi were literally like chasing him through the street and 258 00:11:47,064 --> 00:11:48,984 Speaker 2: half knocking him over, like I would have yelled at 259 00:11:48,984 --> 00:11:49,464 Speaker 2: them as well. 260 00:11:49,584 --> 00:11:53,264 Speaker 1: I do think Justin Bieber has something deeper going on. 261 00:11:53,384 --> 00:11:55,544 Speaker 1: I do think that he's probably in a little bit 262 00:11:55,784 --> 00:11:57,824 Speaker 1: of a crisis at the moment. I don't know. Did 263 00:11:57,824 --> 00:12:01,144 Speaker 1: you say their performance with Sissa, Yeah yeah, and all 264 00:12:01,184 --> 00:12:04,384 Speaker 1: these people were talking about how he was doing the fentifold. 265 00:12:04,024 --> 00:12:06,904 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and they were playing it was super inappropriate. 266 00:12:06,304 --> 00:12:08,304 Speaker 1: And we're saying it was the reason that he was 267 00:12:08,344 --> 00:12:10,744 Speaker 1: like nodding off is because he was on some really 268 00:12:10,784 --> 00:12:14,464 Speaker 1: hard drugs. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that was the speculation. 269 00:12:15,104 --> 00:12:18,064 Speaker 1: I don't obviously, we don't know what's going on with him, 270 00:12:18,064 --> 00:12:21,464 Speaker 1: but it's pretty clear from the from looking in he 271 00:12:21,544 --> 00:12:26,464 Speaker 1: doesn't look very well. Yes, whether that's just exhaustion or 272 00:12:26,704 --> 00:12:29,304 Speaker 1: you know, maybe having a mental health crisis. Like, who 273 00:12:29,384 --> 00:12:31,904 Speaker 1: knows what's going on. But as we've seen so many 274 00:12:31,904 --> 00:12:34,904 Speaker 1: times with celebrities, if you keep pushing them, it's not 275 00:12:34,904 --> 00:12:37,504 Speaker 1: gonna make anything any better, you know what I mean. Now, 276 00:12:37,984 --> 00:12:41,544 Speaker 1: he's obviously going through something, whether their relationship is on 277 00:12:41,624 --> 00:12:44,704 Speaker 1: the rocks or not. They have the right to be 278 00:12:44,744 --> 00:12:48,664 Speaker 1: able to tell us when they're ready to, but they're 279 00:12:48,664 --> 00:12:51,104 Speaker 1: really doubling down on the fact that they're okay. 280 00:12:50,824 --> 00:12:53,144 Speaker 2: Yes, well that's that's the thing. They're doing so much 281 00:12:53,224 --> 00:12:56,544 Speaker 2: press in one corner, and then these like a photo 282 00:12:56,544 --> 00:12:59,704 Speaker 2: without her without her ring, or that audit that was 283 00:12:59,704 --> 00:13:01,784 Speaker 2: done the other day that show that he was like 284 00:13:01,824 --> 00:13:04,584 Speaker 2: allegedly bankrupt, that's why he sold his masters, and then 285 00:13:04,624 --> 00:13:07,264 Speaker 2: that kind of flipped the story again. And then she'll 286 00:13:07,264 --> 00:13:09,304 Speaker 2: post like a beautiful photo of them with their baby 287 00:13:09,384 --> 00:13:12,104 Speaker 2: jack Blues, but then like a negative story. It's like this, 288 00:13:12,224 --> 00:13:13,904 Speaker 2: it's like they're keep trying to like build up this 289 00:13:13,904 --> 00:13:15,624 Speaker 2: wall of like we're fine, we're fine, and they're like 290 00:13:15,664 --> 00:13:18,824 Speaker 2: another wave of bad publicity just keeps coming in and 291 00:13:18,864 --> 00:13:20,344 Speaker 2: just like knocking that wall over. 292 00:13:20,584 --> 00:13:22,344 Speaker 1: You think the sale of Road would give her a 293 00:13:22,344 --> 00:13:24,784 Speaker 1: couple more weeks, she only got like one good week 294 00:13:24,824 --> 00:13:25,744 Speaker 1: of press out. Well. 295 00:13:25,864 --> 00:13:27,664 Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, that was a little bit of 296 00:13:27,704 --> 00:13:30,824 Speaker 2: justin Bieber's fault, because like that whole thing happened around 297 00:13:30,864 --> 00:13:33,264 Speaker 2: the time she did that Vogue article and he put 298 00:13:33,344 --> 00:13:35,184 Speaker 2: up and she was on the cover of Vogue, which 299 00:13:35,224 --> 00:13:37,584 Speaker 2: is like huge, and then he put up saying I'd 300 00:13:37,584 --> 00:13:39,224 Speaker 2: never thought she'd be on the cover of Vogue, and 301 00:13:39,504 --> 00:13:42,224 Speaker 2: it's like, like she's trying to do good publicity for you. 302 00:13:42,584 --> 00:13:44,544 Speaker 2: The interesting thing in that Vogue article is that she 303 00:13:44,664 --> 00:13:47,504 Speaker 2: did like she referenced exactly the conversation we're having now. 304 00:13:47,824 --> 00:13:49,664 Speaker 2: She was like, I just have to accept that people 305 00:13:49,704 --> 00:13:52,464 Speaker 2: will never believe that we're happily married. She's like, I 306 00:13:52,544 --> 00:13:54,704 Speaker 2: kept thinking, like, once we got engaged, now people will 307 00:13:54,704 --> 00:13:57,144 Speaker 2: believe it. Once we got married, now people will believe it. 308 00:13:57,384 --> 00:13:59,024 Speaker 2: And then she was like, and now we have a baby, like, 309 00:13:59,064 --> 00:14:01,824 Speaker 2: now surely people will leave us alone. But I just 310 00:14:02,464 --> 00:14:04,064 Speaker 2: you kind of kind of like feel her defeat in 311 00:14:04,064 --> 00:14:06,864 Speaker 2: that Vogue article, and I think that that is probably 312 00:14:06,864 --> 00:14:09,304 Speaker 2: how she's seeing, like feeling at the moment seeing all 313 00:14:09,344 --> 00:14:12,624 Speaker 2: these photos everywhere people thinking that they're getting divorced because 314 00:14:12,624 --> 00:14:14,904 Speaker 2: of that photo, and you're just like, like, now that 315 00:14:14,904 --> 00:14:16,464 Speaker 2: that story is out there, like you can't put the 316 00:14:16,464 --> 00:14:17,384 Speaker 2: genie back in the bottle. 317 00:14:17,784 --> 00:14:20,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know what, We're gonna be talking 318 00:14:20,224 --> 00:14:22,704 Speaker 1: a lot about them this year. I feel I think 319 00:14:22,824 --> 00:14:25,344 Speaker 1: this is at the end of the Hailey justin drama. 320 00:14:25,864 --> 00:14:27,344 Speaker 1: I do think she just left it on the on 321 00:14:27,384 --> 00:14:29,304 Speaker 1: the counter. She forgot to put her ring on. Yeah, 322 00:14:30,064 --> 00:14:31,744 Speaker 1: she was putting cream on her hands or something. She 323 00:14:31,784 --> 00:14:34,024 Speaker 1: forgot to put her ring back on. That's my speculation. 324 00:14:34,184 --> 00:14:38,984 Speaker 1: It happens. We've got some more relationship news as well. 325 00:14:39,144 --> 00:14:43,824 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrou and Matt Zukowski have split, confirming their divorce 326 00:14:43,864 --> 00:14:48,944 Speaker 1: after less than a year of marriage. Now. She released 327 00:14:49,104 --> 00:14:53,024 Speaker 1: a seven minute TikTok video on her account the other 328 00:14:53,144 --> 00:14:56,344 Speaker 1: day app basically confirming what a lot of people have 329 00:14:56,384 --> 00:15:00,024 Speaker 1: been speculating for the last few weeks. So Tammy and Matt. 330 00:15:00,144 --> 00:15:03,504 Speaker 1: Matt used to be on Love Island. They met, had 331 00:15:03,544 --> 00:15:07,304 Speaker 1: this beautiful wedding in Byron Bay. She wore the most 332 00:15:07,304 --> 00:15:08,544 Speaker 1: beautiful pale pink. 333 00:15:08,784 --> 00:15:09,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was gorgeous. 334 00:15:09,624 --> 00:15:13,344 Speaker 1: That was a really beautiful dress, like stunning wedding. She 335 00:15:13,424 --> 00:15:15,304 Speaker 1: walked down the side of the pool. It was a 336 00:15:15,344 --> 00:15:19,744 Speaker 1: really glamorous, gorgeous wedding, but had like a seventiered cake. 337 00:15:19,864 --> 00:15:23,464 Speaker 1: It was very extravagant. Less than a year after getting married, 338 00:15:24,144 --> 00:15:28,624 Speaker 1: they're divorced now. In this TikTok video, she is basically 339 00:15:28,704 --> 00:15:32,464 Speaker 1: talking about how nasty everyone is. So I'm gonna just 340 00:15:32,824 --> 00:15:33,784 Speaker 1: have a quick listen to this. 341 00:15:33,824 --> 00:15:34,104 Speaker 2: Claire. 342 00:15:34,704 --> 00:15:37,544 Speaker 3: Obviously, I've like, I get a lot of nasty comments 343 00:15:38,584 --> 00:15:42,784 Speaker 3: being like, oh another marriage, like this is my first marriage, 344 00:15:42,904 --> 00:15:48,584 Speaker 3: just FYI, But no comment that anyone could say, like, 345 00:15:48,584 --> 00:15:51,024 Speaker 3: these comments haven't even been really getting to me, because 346 00:15:51,184 --> 00:15:53,664 Speaker 3: nothing anyone could say could make me. 347 00:15:53,704 --> 00:15:59,464 Speaker 4: Feel like more like shit than I already do, like 348 00:15:59,904 --> 00:16:07,224 Speaker 4: more humiliated or more like I already like think that 349 00:16:07,304 --> 00:16:09,064 Speaker 4: about myself right now. 350 00:16:09,144 --> 00:16:12,584 Speaker 3: So I don't think those comments are getting to me 351 00:16:12,704 --> 00:16:15,424 Speaker 3: because I'm already there. 352 00:16:16,184 --> 00:16:18,584 Speaker 1: Okay, So she's so here, we can see Tammy. She's 353 00:16:18,584 --> 00:16:23,504 Speaker 1: obviously really upset. She's talking about how you know, the 354 00:16:23,584 --> 00:16:26,544 Speaker 1: fact that the backlashes being a lot of people are 355 00:16:26,584 --> 00:16:30,624 Speaker 1: like a calm on lady, which I kind of have 356 00:16:30,704 --> 00:16:32,144 Speaker 1: to admit, I kind of feel. 357 00:16:32,144 --> 00:16:35,264 Speaker 2: No, I understand because that has been the sentiment from 358 00:16:35,304 --> 00:16:37,784 Speaker 2: a lot of different people. It's interesting because I feel 359 00:16:37,784 --> 00:16:39,984 Speaker 2: like there's been such a build up to this. I mean, 360 00:16:39,984 --> 00:16:42,584 Speaker 2: there was so much sort of back and forth before 361 00:16:42,624 --> 00:16:45,104 Speaker 2: their wedding in December over whether or not they would 362 00:16:45,104 --> 00:16:48,184 Speaker 2: go through with it. Because they are one of those couples. 363 00:16:48,224 --> 00:16:49,664 Speaker 2: They are a little bit like Haley and Justin where 364 00:16:49,704 --> 00:16:52,664 Speaker 2: sometimes they'll do these little public things like unfollow each 365 00:16:52,664 --> 00:16:54,024 Speaker 2: other where you feel like they are just having a 366 00:16:54,024 --> 00:16:56,664 Speaker 2: tiff behind the scenes, but because they're so public, it 367 00:16:56,704 --> 00:16:59,824 Speaker 2: blows up into a big thing. And all those photos 368 00:16:59,824 --> 00:17:02,384 Speaker 2: came out leading up to their wedding where it looked 369 00:17:02,424 --> 00:17:04,624 Speaker 2: like Tammy was like breaking down at her hens party 370 00:17:04,624 --> 00:17:07,944 Speaker 2: and crying. People speculated it was because she was unhappy 371 00:17:08,024 --> 00:17:10,184 Speaker 2: she was getting married, or that Matt had done something, 372 00:17:10,504 --> 00:17:12,384 Speaker 2: And then every time something like a story like that 373 00:17:12,464 --> 00:17:16,064 Speaker 2: bubbled up. I guess because they're both such huge influences, 374 00:17:16,064 --> 00:17:19,504 Speaker 2: They've got these huge public profiles. She also owns a business, 375 00:17:19,624 --> 00:17:22,144 Speaker 2: he does a podcast, like so much of their life 376 00:17:22,184 --> 00:17:25,784 Speaker 2: is very very public, and it's almost like they had 377 00:17:25,784 --> 00:17:28,224 Speaker 2: to keep stepping in and doing damage control leading up 378 00:17:28,264 --> 00:17:30,584 Speaker 2: to the wedding, and then even after the wedding, there's 379 00:17:30,624 --> 00:17:33,904 Speaker 2: been such a huge build up to this divorce announcement. 380 00:17:33,984 --> 00:17:36,624 Speaker 2: So like again, they were following and following each other 381 00:17:36,744 --> 00:17:39,024 Speaker 2: on Instagram, which. 382 00:17:38,784 --> 00:17:41,104 Speaker 1: Is there was a lot of like lip syncing breakup 383 00:17:41,184 --> 00:17:45,024 Speaker 1: video like breakup songs like this has been people have 384 00:17:45,064 --> 00:17:46,904 Speaker 1: been speculating this for a long time. Yes, they had 385 00:17:46,984 --> 00:17:48,504 Speaker 1: kind of been the writing's been on the wall. 386 00:17:48,584 --> 00:17:50,944 Speaker 2: Well exactly like, they haven't been pictured together in months. 387 00:17:51,264 --> 00:17:53,104 Speaker 2: They were sort of avoiding talking about each other in 388 00:17:53,224 --> 00:17:56,864 Speaker 2: interviews and all that sort of stuff. And then just 389 00:17:56,904 --> 00:17:59,624 Speaker 2: before this came out, she had missus Zikowski like in 390 00:17:59,664 --> 00:18:02,224 Speaker 2: her Instagram and then she deleted that first kind of 391 00:18:02,304 --> 00:18:05,304 Speaker 2: let people see that information, let them bubble away with 392 00:18:05,344 --> 00:18:07,264 Speaker 2: all their thoughts, and then put this video out. 393 00:18:07,424 --> 00:18:11,504 Speaker 1: My feeling is this, She's clearly someone who loves deeply 394 00:18:11,864 --> 00:18:15,064 Speaker 1: and loves passionately, and there are people who who love 395 00:18:15,264 --> 00:18:18,664 Speaker 1: like that and fall hard and fast. She hasn't been 396 00:18:18,664 --> 00:18:21,864 Speaker 1: married before, she has been engaged before to her. I 397 00:18:21,864 --> 00:18:23,984 Speaker 1: think it's her third child's baby daddy. I think she 398 00:18:24,064 --> 00:18:26,944 Speaker 1: was engaged to him. She's got three kids. You know, 399 00:18:27,064 --> 00:18:30,264 Speaker 1: she's like, she's been through it. I don't feel sorry 400 00:18:30,264 --> 00:18:34,104 Speaker 1: for her really because and the reason I don't feel 401 00:18:34,704 --> 00:18:36,424 Speaker 1: it makes it sound really harsh. It makes me sound 402 00:18:36,464 --> 00:18:39,424 Speaker 1: like I'm being mean. But you're dating this person, you 403 00:18:39,464 --> 00:18:44,824 Speaker 1: have this massive weddings, this big display of love eight 404 00:18:45,264 --> 00:18:49,384 Speaker 1: months that is nothing in the scheme of a relationship 405 00:18:49,384 --> 00:18:50,224 Speaker 1: that is nothing. 406 00:18:50,304 --> 00:18:52,824 Speaker 2: And also eight months they've announced it like it obviously 407 00:18:52,904 --> 00:18:53,944 Speaker 2: happened a few months ago. 408 00:18:54,104 --> 00:18:57,904 Speaker 1: How can you give up that quickly if you're really 409 00:18:58,104 --> 00:18:59,584 Speaker 1: like eight months is like that. 410 00:19:00,384 --> 00:19:00,584 Speaker 2: Yeah. 411 00:19:00,984 --> 00:19:03,624 Speaker 1: And the reason I say that, like, and I'm not hered. 412 00:19:03,704 --> 00:19:06,504 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to sound like a like holier than 413 00:19:06,544 --> 00:19:09,664 Speaker 1: their relationship person, but I've been in a relationship with 414 00:19:09,704 --> 00:19:14,464 Speaker 1: my partner since, like for sixteen years. Eight months is nothing. 415 00:19:14,944 --> 00:19:17,024 Speaker 1: And I can tell you right now we've had periods 416 00:19:17,104 --> 00:19:19,184 Speaker 1: of eight months where I haven't wanted to talk to him. 417 00:19:19,304 --> 00:19:21,144 Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that I've just like given up, 418 00:19:21,744 --> 00:19:24,064 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I feel like, you know, 419 00:19:24,184 --> 00:19:28,424 Speaker 1: she had this whole idea of this fairytale romance and 420 00:19:28,464 --> 00:19:30,224 Speaker 1: then it didn't work out, and I'm like, Okay, well 421 00:19:30,264 --> 00:19:31,224 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get like. 422 00:19:31,344 --> 00:19:33,424 Speaker 2: But I don't think it's And again, I've gotta I 423 00:19:33,464 --> 00:19:35,504 Speaker 2: don't know these people, Like obviously, I know I know 424 00:19:35,544 --> 00:19:38,104 Speaker 2: their public profiles, but I have like no and I 425 00:19:38,144 --> 00:19:40,944 Speaker 2: don't only know like the surface level of their public profiles. 426 00:19:40,944 --> 00:19:43,024 Speaker 2: Like I'm not a huge follower of both of the 427 00:19:43,064 --> 00:19:45,664 Speaker 2: men anyway. But so when you say you don't feel sorry, 428 00:19:45,704 --> 00:19:48,464 Speaker 2: you're talking about that like that TikTok where she that 429 00:19:48,584 --> 00:19:51,504 Speaker 2: she put up where it like it's it's also set 430 00:19:51,544 --> 00:19:53,384 Speaker 2: up I think to be very and I'm not sort 431 00:19:53,424 --> 00:19:55,064 Speaker 2: of calling her like a mastermind or anything, but I 432 00:19:55,064 --> 00:19:58,304 Speaker 2: think someone who has built their entire public profile off 433 00:19:58,824 --> 00:20:02,064 Speaker 2: sharing videos of her life, if you're gonna post your 434 00:20:02,344 --> 00:20:04,864 Speaker 2: marriage ending video, you put a lot of thought and 435 00:20:04,984 --> 00:20:07,184 Speaker 2: time into how you do it. So I do think 436 00:20:07,184 --> 00:20:09,904 Speaker 2: it was quite curated in the way that she's just 437 00:20:10,024 --> 00:20:11,624 Speaker 2: sort of sitting in her closet, and it's not a 438 00:20:11,624 --> 00:20:13,424 Speaker 2: fancy looking closet, like I do think it is a 439 00:20:13,504 --> 00:20:15,744 Speaker 2: huge closet, but she's kind of sitting in one little 440 00:20:15,744 --> 00:20:17,944 Speaker 2: corner of it. There's all like the just the white 441 00:20:17,944 --> 00:20:20,784 Speaker 2: plastic hangers hanging behind her. She kind of looks like 442 00:20:20,824 --> 00:20:23,264 Speaker 2: she's just sort of just very casually sitting, Like her 443 00:20:23,264 --> 00:20:26,144 Speaker 2: makeup looks gorgeous, but like very natural. She's got like 444 00:20:26,184 --> 00:20:29,144 Speaker 2: a really soft yellow top on. All these things to 445 00:20:29,224 --> 00:20:32,184 Speaker 2: kind of just be like, this is relatable, this is vulnerable, 446 00:20:32,304 --> 00:20:34,544 Speaker 2: and it's not set like an opulent part of the 447 00:20:34,744 --> 00:20:36,464 Speaker 2: huge house we know she lives in. So I do 448 00:20:36,504 --> 00:20:39,104 Speaker 2: think that that was kind of set up in terms 449 00:20:39,144 --> 00:20:41,584 Speaker 2: of just knowing that also a lot of people who 450 00:20:41,584 --> 00:20:44,544 Speaker 2: don't follow her normally would come and watch the breakup video, 451 00:20:44,584 --> 00:20:46,504 Speaker 2: and knowing I think all these eyes would be on it. 452 00:20:46,544 --> 00:20:49,144 Speaker 2: But I also think, like the video itself, like I 453 00:20:49,184 --> 00:20:50,464 Speaker 2: did feel bad for her. I thought this was a 454 00:20:50,544 --> 00:20:53,824 Speaker 2: hugely vulnerable thing to share and like a really emotional 455 00:20:53,824 --> 00:20:55,384 Speaker 2: thing to look at. I don't know, maybe I'm just 456 00:20:55,384 --> 00:20:57,024 Speaker 2: a sad but I felt really bad, but. 457 00:20:57,224 --> 00:21:00,584 Speaker 1: I didn't Like I think she's being genuine when she 458 00:21:00,584 --> 00:21:04,304 Speaker 1: says she's humiliated. Absolutely, I do think she is. I 459 00:21:04,344 --> 00:21:07,144 Speaker 1: don't blame her for falling hard, like I don't blame 460 00:21:07,184 --> 00:21:10,264 Speaker 1: her for falling hard and fast for someone I don't. 461 00:21:10,384 --> 00:21:13,424 Speaker 1: I don't blame her, but I don't really feel sorry 462 00:21:13,464 --> 00:21:16,224 Speaker 1: for her, because like you're thirty one years old, lady, 463 00:21:16,304 --> 00:21:19,464 Speaker 1: Like you're you're a grown ass woman, you've got three kids, 464 00:21:20,024 --> 00:21:22,824 Speaker 1: Like yeah, I know, But I just think him as well, 465 00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:25,024 Speaker 1: Like I'm not just putting this on her, like I'm 466 00:21:25,064 --> 00:21:27,464 Speaker 1: also putting this on you, like both they both are 467 00:21:27,504 --> 00:21:28,664 Speaker 1: responsible for the press. 468 00:21:28,384 --> 00:21:30,104 Speaker 2: But also we don't like the thing in the video 469 00:21:30,224 --> 00:21:31,864 Speaker 2: is like she talked a lot about like she's like 470 00:21:31,944 --> 00:21:34,744 Speaker 2: I need to take responsibility. I've made bad relationship choices. 471 00:21:34,864 --> 00:21:37,184 Speaker 2: I need to like be you know, thinking of my kids. 472 00:21:37,184 --> 00:21:39,264 Speaker 2: So she said all that, but she didn't actually say 473 00:21:39,264 --> 00:21:41,504 Speaker 2: why they broke up, like for all we know, and 474 00:21:41,544 --> 00:21:43,504 Speaker 2: again this is just allegedly, but for all we know, 475 00:21:43,664 --> 00:21:45,864 Speaker 2: like he cheated on her or she cheated on him, 476 00:21:45,864 --> 00:21:47,944 Speaker 2: like we just don't know. There were all those photos 477 00:21:47,944 --> 00:21:50,104 Speaker 2: that came out, like just before she put the announcement 478 00:21:50,144 --> 00:21:52,664 Speaker 2: out of him with a journalist. I don't want to 479 00:21:52,664 --> 00:21:54,104 Speaker 2: say her name because I don't know if she's getting 480 00:21:54,104 --> 00:21:55,224 Speaker 2: a lot of hate and that sort of stuff, But 481 00:21:55,264 --> 00:21:58,064 Speaker 2: there were photos that came out. They're being photos previously, 482 00:21:58,184 --> 00:21:59,464 Speaker 2: so it's one of those things we just don't know 483 00:21:59,504 --> 00:22:01,864 Speaker 2: what happened. But I just think also, and again I 484 00:22:01,904 --> 00:22:03,824 Speaker 2: feel like I'm really projecting on this woman who I 485 00:22:03,904 --> 00:22:06,184 Speaker 2: don't know, but I feel like there still is this 486 00:22:06,304 --> 00:22:08,704 Speaker 2: huge thing, especially if you live a very public life, 487 00:22:09,064 --> 00:22:11,384 Speaker 2: to have that big fairy tail wedding and just to 488 00:22:11,464 --> 00:22:14,384 Speaker 2: lock it down. So it kind of does feel like 489 00:22:14,384 --> 00:22:16,944 Speaker 2: they were in that situation where it just went too 490 00:22:17,024 --> 00:22:19,144 Speaker 2: hard and too fast and the big wedding was locked 491 00:22:19,184 --> 00:22:21,984 Speaker 2: in and they engage like they're engagement was this huge 492 00:22:21,984 --> 00:22:25,024 Speaker 2: thing on a beautiful overseas tropic or island on the beach, and. 493 00:22:25,264 --> 00:22:27,584 Speaker 1: Just like just pump the brakes for a second. 494 00:22:28,104 --> 00:22:29,944 Speaker 2: I know, But I also just think that some people 495 00:22:30,024 --> 00:22:32,104 Speaker 2: just live very like accelerated live. 496 00:22:32,264 --> 00:22:34,104 Speaker 1: I know, but this is the thing, the thing that 497 00:22:34,144 --> 00:22:36,304 Speaker 1: really can you imagine being a guest at that wedding? 498 00:22:36,424 --> 00:22:38,144 Speaker 2: Oh no? Can I just and I have been to 499 00:22:38,184 --> 00:22:40,384 Speaker 2: weddings like that, Like haven't you been to weddings like that? 500 00:22:40,424 --> 00:22:42,344 Speaker 2: Where you're sitting there and it's so opulent, so over 501 00:22:42,344 --> 00:22:45,064 Speaker 2: the top, and you're looking at these people and sometimes 502 00:22:45,104 --> 00:22:46,704 Speaker 2: I just feel like I'm like a crazy person in 503 00:22:46,744 --> 00:22:49,384 Speaker 2: a horror movie where like everyone's been taken around by clones. 504 00:22:49,464 --> 00:22:51,464 Speaker 2: Because I look around and I'm like, we all know 505 00:22:51,624 --> 00:22:52,584 Speaker 2: this is a terrible idea. 506 00:22:52,944 --> 00:22:54,984 Speaker 1: Do you need to do like a return policy if 507 00:22:54,984 --> 00:22:58,664 Speaker 1: it's within twelve months, like you know, can I get 508 00:22:58,664 --> 00:22:59,504 Speaker 1: my gift back? 509 00:22:59,824 --> 00:23:01,824 Speaker 2: I mean, look, if their marriage ends terrible after a 510 00:23:01,864 --> 00:23:03,424 Speaker 2: few months, I'm happy for them to keep the gift. 511 00:23:03,504 --> 00:23:05,504 Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, we've all gone to weddings where 512 00:23:05,504 --> 00:23:08,184 Speaker 2: you're like, I just feel like this like the train 513 00:23:08,224 --> 00:23:10,584 Speaker 2: had just left the station and they had to stay 514 00:23:10,624 --> 00:23:12,784 Speaker 2: on it, and we're all sitting here agreen that these 515 00:23:12,824 --> 00:23:15,344 Speaker 2: people shouldn't be getting married, and they're saying all these 516 00:23:15,384 --> 00:23:16,584 Speaker 2: things to each other in front of. 517 00:23:16,904 --> 00:23:19,704 Speaker 1: Ass ingenuous well, yes, exactly, you know, I mean, like 518 00:23:19,784 --> 00:23:22,824 Speaker 1: professing your love for each other and then eight months, 519 00:23:22,864 --> 00:23:25,264 Speaker 1: eight months, and that's what we know. So let's just 520 00:23:25,264 --> 00:23:28,144 Speaker 1: say they split up four months ago or whatever. Yeah, 521 00:23:28,344 --> 00:23:30,984 Speaker 1: so you're saying to me, you're professing your love to 522 00:23:31,024 --> 00:23:34,584 Speaker 1: each other with this multi you know, hundreds and thousands 523 00:23:34,584 --> 00:23:38,624 Speaker 1: of dollars on this wedding, talking about how much you 524 00:23:38,704 --> 00:23:42,584 Speaker 1: adore each other, and then four months, six months, like 525 00:23:42,864 --> 00:23:43,704 Speaker 1: it's done. 526 00:23:44,344 --> 00:23:47,944 Speaker 2: I know, but again I don't performative. Well, I think 527 00:23:48,024 --> 00:23:50,264 Speaker 2: performative is why a lot of people get stuck in 528 00:23:50,264 --> 00:23:53,144 Speaker 2: these situations because once you set up this huge wedding 529 00:23:53,344 --> 00:23:55,744 Speaker 2: and people book travel and you and you do all 530 00:23:55,744 --> 00:23:58,264 Speaker 2: this stuff, it would be so hard to pull the plug. 531 00:23:58,304 --> 00:24:00,464 Speaker 2: And I feel like that's what so many people who 532 00:24:00,744 --> 00:24:03,024 Speaker 2: have had marriages that have ended really shortly like. And 533 00:24:03,024 --> 00:24:04,584 Speaker 2: it's always the women who have to come out and 534 00:24:04,624 --> 00:24:07,864 Speaker 2: explain it and say everything. But like, and I think, 535 00:24:07,944 --> 00:24:10,584 Speaker 2: like it happens more than we kind of realize, just 536 00:24:10,584 --> 00:24:12,864 Speaker 2: like when it happens on a huge scale to a celebrity, 537 00:24:12,864 --> 00:24:14,944 Speaker 2: it seems bigger, Like the same thing happened with Kim 538 00:24:14,984 --> 00:24:17,984 Speaker 2: Kardashi and when she married Chris Humphreys, like she was 539 00:24:18,064 --> 00:24:20,824 Speaker 2: at the end, was like sobbing and saying, I'm so humiliated. 540 00:24:20,984 --> 00:24:22,464 Speaker 2: I think it must be like it must feel like 541 00:24:22,464 --> 00:24:24,544 Speaker 2: a deep humiliation. But she was just saying it was 542 00:24:24,584 --> 00:24:26,984 Speaker 2: too much like the wedding was all set up like 543 00:24:27,104 --> 00:24:30,224 Speaker 2: people what everyone was later it was this huge, opulent thing. 544 00:24:30,744 --> 00:24:33,264 Speaker 2: And I also think about like Olivia Molly Rodgers, who 545 00:24:33,384 --> 00:24:35,264 Speaker 2: was talked about in her podcast and she's written about 546 00:24:35,264 --> 00:24:38,024 Speaker 2: it for Mamma Mia, where she also said that to 547 00:24:38,144 --> 00:24:41,264 Speaker 2: her when she was getting married, that she was also 548 00:24:41,384 --> 00:24:44,184 Speaker 2: feeling those doubts leading up into the wedding day, but 549 00:24:44,224 --> 00:24:46,184 Speaker 2: she also just like it was she just felt like 550 00:24:46,224 --> 00:24:47,784 Speaker 2: it was a bit too late to pull out. And 551 00:24:48,184 --> 00:24:49,744 Speaker 2: I think also a lot of these women just think, 552 00:24:49,824 --> 00:24:53,104 Speaker 2: like leading up to these weddings, like it's very heightened, 553 00:24:53,104 --> 00:24:55,464 Speaker 2: there's a lot of stress. And I think what something 554 00:24:55,464 --> 00:24:58,064 Speaker 2: they all seem to tell themselves is once we get 555 00:24:58,104 --> 00:25:00,144 Speaker 2: through this and we get back to normal life, things 556 00:25:00,144 --> 00:25:01,664 Speaker 2: will be better. So we just have to get through, 557 00:25:01,744 --> 00:25:04,424 Speaker 2: you know, like you just cut compartment, right. 558 00:25:04,904 --> 00:25:06,464 Speaker 1: I do feel a little bit sorry for her, but 559 00:25:06,664 --> 00:25:08,984 Speaker 1: also but I just I just I just look at 560 00:25:09,024 --> 00:25:10,504 Speaker 1: it and I'm Forgod's sake. 561 00:25:11,144 --> 00:25:12,864 Speaker 2: And again, I think that's what a lot of people. 562 00:25:12,904 --> 00:25:14,424 Speaker 2: I was like deep in the comments for all of 563 00:25:14,424 --> 00:25:16,224 Speaker 2: this because I wanted to see how people are reacting 564 00:25:16,584 --> 00:25:18,704 Speaker 2: and apart from some people being like, I think you're 565 00:25:18,704 --> 00:25:20,584 Speaker 2: the problem, and I'm like, oh, it's a bit harsh, 566 00:25:20,624 --> 00:25:22,544 Speaker 2: Like it's a bit harsh having like three partners and 567 00:25:22,824 --> 00:25:24,584 Speaker 2: your thirty is like not that, it's just that she's 568 00:25:24,584 --> 00:25:26,624 Speaker 2: a public figure, so it seems. 569 00:25:26,144 --> 00:25:28,824 Speaker 1: More than three kids. I think. Yeah, I think it's 570 00:25:28,544 --> 00:25:30,624 Speaker 1: the kids thing that I think a lot of people 571 00:25:30,984 --> 00:25:33,464 Speaker 1: sort of slut shame her for a little bit. And 572 00:25:33,504 --> 00:25:35,744 Speaker 1: I'm not here to slut shame her, but I do 573 00:25:35,864 --> 00:25:39,104 Speaker 1: think once you have children, it's your responsibility to protect them, 574 00:25:39,264 --> 00:25:42,824 Speaker 1: particularly from relationships. And these kids are old enough to 575 00:25:42,904 --> 00:25:44,984 Speaker 1: know what's going on. Oh yeah, well I mean they 576 00:25:45,024 --> 00:25:48,464 Speaker 1: were all yeah, so she's clearly embarrassed by that. I'm 577 00:25:48,464 --> 00:25:50,864 Speaker 1: not saying she's a bad mother at all. Yeah, of course, 578 00:25:50,944 --> 00:25:53,064 Speaker 1: I'm sure she wants what's best for her children. You 579 00:25:53,064 --> 00:25:55,064 Speaker 1: can tell she loves her children. I'm not saying that 580 00:25:55,104 --> 00:25:58,664 Speaker 1: at all, But like, you know, you've gone through all 581 00:25:58,744 --> 00:26:02,264 Speaker 1: of this is huge to do, and now what it's over. 582 00:26:02,744 --> 00:26:05,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I Also I wonder if the kids thing 583 00:26:05,584 --> 00:26:07,264 Speaker 2: is a factor too, And again it's so so storry 584 00:26:07,304 --> 00:26:09,024 Speaker 2: to be having this conversation about someone we don't know. 585 00:26:09,104 --> 00:26:11,424 Speaker 2: But again, so much of her life is public and 586 00:26:11,464 --> 00:26:14,304 Speaker 2: people project things on because if you even when she 587 00:26:14,464 --> 00:26:17,264 Speaker 2: was single before she met Matt, there were people being like, oh, 588 00:26:17,304 --> 00:26:19,624 Speaker 2: those kids need like a stable influence, they need like 589 00:26:19,664 --> 00:26:21,624 Speaker 2: a father figure, even though that obviously have their fathers 590 00:26:21,624 --> 00:26:24,224 Speaker 2: who are involved in their lives. And so you have 591 00:26:24,344 --> 00:26:27,024 Speaker 2: this it's almost like a no win situation, Like you 592 00:26:27,064 --> 00:26:29,104 Speaker 2: have this pressure to be married and to be in 593 00:26:29,144 --> 00:26:31,904 Speaker 2: this very happy relationship, and you have this pressure to 594 00:26:31,904 --> 00:26:34,664 Speaker 2: get this fairy tale ending, which like still to this 595 00:26:34,784 --> 00:26:37,384 Speaker 2: day getting married, as much as like everyone says like 596 00:26:37,384 --> 00:26:39,504 Speaker 2: it's not, it is like getting married is still the 597 00:26:39,544 --> 00:26:42,984 Speaker 2: biggest achievement in a woman's life publicly, Like it's the 598 00:26:43,024 --> 00:26:45,824 Speaker 2: only time you get that sort of level of adoration 599 00:26:46,144 --> 00:26:49,584 Speaker 2: and fame and love and success. It's the only time 600 00:26:49,624 --> 00:26:52,264 Speaker 2: you really get celebrated once you become an adult. So 601 00:26:52,264 --> 00:26:53,864 Speaker 2: I think it's hard to sort of have that and 602 00:26:53,904 --> 00:26:55,504 Speaker 2: be like, this is the main thing we're going to 603 00:26:55,544 --> 00:26:58,104 Speaker 2: celebrate you for. But then if you rush into it 604 00:26:58,104 --> 00:26:59,864 Speaker 2: because you're trying to get this thing that people are 605 00:26:59,864 --> 00:27:01,744 Speaker 2: telling you should have, then you get punished for it. 606 00:27:02,104 --> 00:27:03,624 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a very strange thing. I did 607 00:27:03,664 --> 00:27:05,104 Speaker 2: see a lot of people being like, she doesn't have 608 00:27:05,184 --> 00:27:07,944 Speaker 2: to explain. But I feel also like you if you've 609 00:27:08,144 --> 00:27:11,664 Speaker 2: monetized it to make it, and you've like picked all 610 00:27:11,664 --> 00:27:14,024 Speaker 2: these people to know why, yeah, oh, I mean I 611 00:27:14,064 --> 00:27:17,224 Speaker 2: would love to know more details later. I'm not above 612 00:27:17,224 --> 00:27:19,184 Speaker 2: that gossip, but I know I'm from the general from 613 00:27:19,184 --> 00:27:20,944 Speaker 2: the video where she's explaining, I saw a lot of 614 00:27:20,984 --> 00:27:23,184 Speaker 2: people in the comments being like, you don't know us anything, 615 00:27:23,624 --> 00:27:25,144 Speaker 2: And I do think it's that fine line where like 616 00:27:25,224 --> 00:27:28,784 Speaker 2: she's such a public figure and that wedding like they 617 00:27:28,864 --> 00:27:31,344 Speaker 2: created a huge amount of content from it. I still 618 00:27:31,344 --> 00:27:33,864 Speaker 2: also think no one gets married just for content. I 619 00:27:33,864 --> 00:27:35,704 Speaker 2: feel like people do a lot of other things for content, 620 00:27:35,744 --> 00:27:38,664 Speaker 2: but I think actually getting married is such a step 621 00:27:38,704 --> 00:27:41,464 Speaker 2: too far, because yes, you get the photos, but then 622 00:27:41,544 --> 00:27:44,424 Speaker 2: you have to the initial payoff you get with sharing 623 00:27:44,464 --> 00:27:46,984 Speaker 2: the photos would not be worth the months of like 624 00:27:47,144 --> 00:27:49,944 Speaker 2: backlash and speculation you get and having to make that video, 625 00:27:50,104 --> 00:27:52,664 Speaker 2: like they they really cancel each other out. So I 626 00:27:52,704 --> 00:27:54,664 Speaker 2: don't think anyone does it for I think that kind 627 00:27:54,664 --> 00:27:56,144 Speaker 2: of it kind of like makes. 628 00:27:55,984 --> 00:28:00,104 Speaker 1: I think it got like she got caught up in it, 629 00:28:00,144 --> 00:28:03,384 Speaker 1: probably because of all of that, yeah, and the attention 630 00:28:03,544 --> 00:28:05,984 Speaker 1: and being in love and the ring and a big party. 631 00:28:06,144 --> 00:28:08,904 Speaker 1: Like I'm sure that that's part of it. You know, 632 00:28:08,904 --> 00:28:11,584 Speaker 1: who knows why this ended, But to be honest, it 633 00:28:11,704 --> 00:28:14,544 Speaker 1: was almost as soon as they got married, the speculation 634 00:28:14,664 --> 00:28:17,024 Speaker 1: that they would no longer together stop absolutely because they 635 00:28:17,024 --> 00:28:20,464 Speaker 1: see like and that's I think what kind of irritates 636 00:28:20,504 --> 00:28:22,864 Speaker 1: me a little bit. I'm like, I know, people get 637 00:28:22,864 --> 00:28:27,424 Speaker 1: married and then they get divorced, but like marriage is. 638 00:28:27,424 --> 00:28:30,104 Speaker 2: Hard, like yeah, but I think why some of these 639 00:28:30,104 --> 00:28:32,024 Speaker 2: marriages that end after a few months, I think why 640 00:28:32,064 --> 00:28:34,264 Speaker 2: they break up and why people who have been together 641 00:28:34,304 --> 00:28:36,904 Speaker 2: for years break up. Would be such a difference, Yeah, 642 00:28:37,184 --> 00:28:40,464 Speaker 2: such a different situation. And if you, like, if you've 643 00:28:40,464 --> 00:28:41,904 Speaker 2: been with someone for a few months and you get 644 00:28:41,904 --> 00:28:43,944 Speaker 2: swept up in the idea of a wedding and the party, 645 00:28:44,344 --> 00:28:46,624 Speaker 2: and then the party is over and you're you're looking 646 00:28:46,704 --> 00:28:49,584 Speaker 2: at that person, I can one hundred percent understand why 647 00:28:49,624 --> 00:28:50,944 Speaker 2: you would say, like, I'm not going to try with 648 00:28:50,984 --> 00:28:52,904 Speaker 2: you because I don't even like you. Yeah, Because I 649 00:28:52,904 --> 00:28:54,784 Speaker 2: think when you're talking, you're ow your husband having bad spots. 650 00:28:54,784 --> 00:28:56,384 Speaker 2: That's because you've been in love for years and you 651 00:28:56,464 --> 00:28:59,024 Speaker 2: have that foundation. But that was a stranger that you 652 00:28:59,024 --> 00:29:00,504 Speaker 2: don't even know on for a few months, and you'd 653 00:29:00,504 --> 00:29:02,304 Speaker 2: only know on them. But I wouldn't have gotten marriage 654 00:29:02,304 --> 00:29:06,464 Speaker 2: to different like situations. But if you've only known this 655 00:29:06,504 --> 00:29:09,704 Speaker 2: person in these beautiful romantic resorts or at events or 656 00:29:09,784 --> 00:29:12,704 Speaker 2: planning or I think that's very different to breaking up 657 00:29:12,704 --> 00:29:14,184 Speaker 2: with someone who you've been like in the trenches. 658 00:29:14,504 --> 00:29:16,584 Speaker 1: That's why I like, take your freaking time, girl. 659 00:29:17,584 --> 00:29:20,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sure she's wishing that now, Like that 660 00:29:20,984 --> 00:29:22,984 Speaker 2: was my thought watching that video, and maybe I'm just 661 00:29:23,024 --> 00:29:25,064 Speaker 2: such a sap. I felt, really I felt so emotional 662 00:29:25,104 --> 00:29:26,544 Speaker 2: watching that for her because I was just like when 663 00:29:26,544 --> 00:29:28,624 Speaker 2: she kept saying, I'm so humiliated, and I was like, 664 00:29:28,984 --> 00:29:31,024 Speaker 2: this would be a lot. And also I also just 665 00:29:31,064 --> 00:29:34,384 Speaker 2: wonder what was going through her mind on the wedding day, 666 00:29:34,864 --> 00:29:36,984 Speaker 2: like because again so many women now who have gone 667 00:29:37,064 --> 00:29:39,144 Speaker 2: through that and who have publicly talked about it say like, 668 00:29:39,184 --> 00:29:40,864 Speaker 2: on the day, I felt sick on the day, I 669 00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:43,024 Speaker 2: didn't want to do it, and I wonder, like she 670 00:29:43,104 --> 00:29:45,104 Speaker 2: might never say it, but I wonder when you see 671 00:29:45,144 --> 00:29:47,904 Speaker 2: those photos of her and that beautiful pink Vera Wang 672 00:29:47,984 --> 00:29:51,624 Speaker 2: gown and like looking so happy shit and like with yeah, 673 00:29:51,664 --> 00:29:53,864 Speaker 2: with that beautiful estate in the flowers and her kids 674 00:29:53,864 --> 00:29:55,304 Speaker 2: like running up to her and being like mommy or 675 00:29:55,344 --> 00:29:57,264 Speaker 2: a princess. All that I want her from a head, 676 00:29:57,304 --> 00:29:59,344 Speaker 2: she's just like feeling sick, Like I just think that 677 00:29:59,384 --> 00:30:02,264 Speaker 2: would just be the worst feeling for it to be 678 00:30:02,344 --> 00:30:04,984 Speaker 2: so public and just feeling like so trapped. 679 00:30:05,104 --> 00:30:07,944 Speaker 1: Look, maybe she's gonna learn a lesson from this, and hopefully, 680 00:30:08,024 --> 00:30:11,664 Speaker 1: I'm sure she'll be okay, she'll be just fine. I'll 681 00:30:11,664 --> 00:30:13,424 Speaker 1: be interested to see if they did do a prenup 682 00:30:13,464 --> 00:30:14,664 Speaker 1: because she's got a lot. 683 00:30:14,904 --> 00:30:17,904 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, she's quite a smart businesswoman, so I'm assuming, 684 00:30:17,984 --> 00:30:21,504 Speaker 2: I'm assuming. Surely, yeah, surely. 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