1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mamma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:22,174 --> 00:00:22,334 Speaker 2: Hi. 5 00:00:22,454 --> 00:00:23,414 Speaker 3: I'm Claire Murphy. 6 00:00:23,454 --> 00:00:26,774 Speaker 1: This is MMA MIA's daily news podcast, The Quikie. A 7 00:00:26,814 --> 00:00:29,654 Speaker 1: recent trend in how the manliest of men take to 8 00:00:29,654 --> 00:00:31,974 Speaker 1: the skies has been making headlines. 9 00:00:31,574 --> 00:00:32,414 Speaker 3: Across the globe. 10 00:00:32,854 --> 00:00:35,694 Speaker 1: But what exactly is raw dogging a flight and what 11 00:00:35,694 --> 00:00:38,734 Speaker 1: are the health implications of doing so? We unpacked the 12 00:00:38,774 --> 00:00:41,734 Speaker 1: masculine art of doing nothing on a plane with a 13 00:00:41,774 --> 00:00:44,614 Speaker 1: doctor who also happens to be a pilot. But before 14 00:00:44,614 --> 00:00:46,854 Speaker 1: we do that, here's the latest from the Quikie newsroom. Friday, 15 00:00:46,934 --> 00:00:51,814 Speaker 1: July twelve. Investigators are interviewing witnesses and checking security camera 16 00:00:51,894 --> 00:00:54,454 Speaker 1: vision as they try to piece together what led to 17 00:00:54,494 --> 00:00:57,254 Speaker 1: the deaths of two Australians and a relative at a 18 00:00:57,334 --> 00:01:00,454 Speaker 1: luxury hotel in the Philippines. The bodies of the man 19 00:01:00,454 --> 00:01:03,534 Speaker 1: in his fifties, his wife, who was originally from the country, 20 00:01:03,574 --> 00:01:06,494 Speaker 1: and one of her relatives were reportedly found with their 21 00:01:06,534 --> 00:01:09,534 Speaker 1: hands and feet tied, but police say it doesn't appear 22 00:01:09,614 --> 00:01:11,774 Speaker 1: here to be a robbery, with some of the victims 23 00:01:11,894 --> 00:01:15,054 Speaker 1: valuable still in the room, including their mobile phones. They 24 00:01:15,094 --> 00:01:17,374 Speaker 1: revealed they are searching for a man seen leaving the 25 00:01:17,454 --> 00:01:19,854 Speaker 1: room wearing a mask and a hoodie a few hours 26 00:01:19,894 --> 00:01:22,654 Speaker 1: before the bodies were discovered. The mayor of the area 27 00:01:22,694 --> 00:01:26,134 Speaker 1: says he's shocked by the incident and has apologized, saying 28 00:01:26,414 --> 00:01:29,574 Speaker 1: we're very sorry to our Australian friends, promising to have 29 00:01:29,614 --> 00:01:33,454 Speaker 1: it resolved as soon as possible. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin 30 00:01:33,494 --> 00:01:37,054 Speaker 1: Netnaho has claimed Hamas is making demands outside of the 31 00:01:37,054 --> 00:01:41,014 Speaker 1: framework of the ceasefire agreement broken by the US. Netnaho 32 00:01:41,214 --> 00:01:43,774 Speaker 1: was speaking at a military ceremony when he explained that 33 00:01:43,814 --> 00:01:46,854 Speaker 1: he was committed to the framework deal for freeing the hostages, 34 00:01:47,214 --> 00:01:50,014 Speaker 1: but said that her Mask's murderers were sticking to demands 35 00:01:50,014 --> 00:01:53,334 Speaker 1: that contradict the framework that in danger Israel. He did 36 00:01:53,374 --> 00:01:56,854 Speaker 1: not explain what those demands are. Hamas in response, says 37 00:01:56,894 --> 00:02:00,094 Speaker 1: they're still waiting to hear from mediators about concessions they 38 00:02:00,174 --> 00:02:02,934 Speaker 1: made last week. In response to the deal, White House 39 00:02:03,014 --> 00:02:05,974 Speaker 1: National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said that there was still 40 00:02:06,014 --> 00:02:08,494 Speaker 1: many details of the deal that needed to be hammered out, 41 00:02:08,734 --> 00:02:11,214 Speaker 1: and that there was still to go before they could close. 42 00:02:11,334 --> 00:02:13,694 Speaker 1: If they are in fact able to close the deal. 43 00:02:14,294 --> 00:02:17,534 Speaker 1: Five years after the devastating fire at the French landmark 44 00:02:17,614 --> 00:02:21,254 Speaker 1: Notre Dame, another fire has broken out at an iconic cathedral. 45 00:02:21,654 --> 00:02:24,174 Speaker 1: Smoke was spotted rising from one of the spires of 46 00:02:24,214 --> 00:02:27,374 Speaker 1: the medieval cathedral in Ruin in northern France. Like with 47 00:02:27,534 --> 00:02:30,134 Speaker 1: Notre Dame, it too was under renovation when the fire 48 00:02:30,174 --> 00:02:33,574 Speaker 1: broke out, But unlike the twenty nineteen fire, which collapsed 49 00:02:33,614 --> 00:02:35,574 Speaker 1: one of the spires in a large part of the roof, 50 00:02:35,894 --> 00:02:38,814 Speaker 1: Ruenn's blaze was contained to one spire and was quickly 51 00:02:38,814 --> 00:02:42,254 Speaker 1: brought under control. The Ruined cathedral is the tallest church 52 00:02:42,254 --> 00:02:45,054 Speaker 1: in France and amongst the tallest in the world, renowned 53 00:02:45,094 --> 00:02:47,854 Speaker 1: for its three different style towers, which were captured on 54 00:02:47,894 --> 00:02:51,574 Speaker 1: canvas in a series of paintings by Monege. Actor Jared 55 00:02:51,654 --> 00:02:54,814 Speaker 1: Leto has joined a growing group of men raw dogging flights. 56 00:02:55,134 --> 00:02:57,774 Speaker 1: The fifty two year old took to Instagram saying what's 57 00:02:57,774 --> 00:02:59,974 Speaker 1: all the fuss about raw dogging flight maps? 58 00:03:00,014 --> 00:03:00,814 Speaker 3: Back in my day? 59 00:03:00,854 --> 00:03:03,054 Speaker 1: He says, we raw dog the bareback of a seat 60 00:03:03,094 --> 00:03:05,974 Speaker 1: for seventeen hours, posting a video of him sitting in 61 00:03:06,014 --> 00:03:09,094 Speaker 1: his plane seat. The captain says many years of training 62 00:03:09,134 --> 00:03:11,854 Speaker 1: for the long flights. Who else is practicing their patients 63 00:03:11,894 --> 00:03:14,934 Speaker 1: until tour starts back up again. Raw dogging a flight 64 00:03:15,014 --> 00:03:18,174 Speaker 1: is where the passenger does nothing for the duration. No entertainment, 65 00:03:18,254 --> 00:03:20,854 Speaker 1: no water, no getting up to use the toilet. But 66 00:03:20,894 --> 00:03:24,174 Speaker 1: some in Leto's comments claim that behind the sunglasses he's wearing, 67 00:03:24,294 --> 00:03:27,814 Speaker 1: he could have been napping. Also another raw dogging flight. No, no, 68 00:03:28,454 --> 00:03:30,934 Speaker 1: that's what's going down around the world today. Next, men 69 00:03:31,014 --> 00:03:33,814 Speaker 1: are raw dogging flights. No idea what that means. 70 00:03:34,174 --> 00:03:34,774 Speaker 3: We'll break it. 71 00:03:34,734 --> 00:03:36,694 Speaker 1: Down for you and why at least one part of 72 00:03:36,734 --> 00:03:47,054 Speaker 1: it might be good for your mental health. Raw dogging 73 00:03:47,054 --> 00:03:49,254 Speaker 1: a flight seems to have been a thing since around 74 00:03:49,294 --> 00:03:51,694 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, when a Twitter user by the name 75 00:03:51,734 --> 00:03:53,694 Speaker 1: of Nezarin Dana posted. 76 00:03:53,254 --> 00:03:55,574 Speaker 2: This, So the dude next to me on the plane 77 00:03:55,654 --> 00:03:58,454 Speaker 2: just absolutely raw dogged this entire flight. He got on 78 00:03:58,494 --> 00:04:01,814 Speaker 2: a ten hour flight to Europe in jeans, no headphones, 79 00:04:01,854 --> 00:04:05,454 Speaker 2: no book, no neckpillow, literally just a paper cup of 80 00:04:05,534 --> 00:04:09,214 Speaker 2: coffee without a lid, Like, sir, are you okay? 81 00:04:10,134 --> 00:04:12,734 Speaker 1: Yes, we are aware that the term raw dogging means 82 00:04:12,774 --> 00:04:16,454 Speaker 1: something completely different to millennials and above, referring to having 83 00:04:16,534 --> 00:04:19,934 Speaker 1: unprotected sex, but newer gens have appropriated the term and 84 00:04:19,974 --> 00:04:22,214 Speaker 1: now use it for all kinds of things. A Twitter 85 00:04:22,254 --> 00:04:24,574 Speaker 1: user summed it up by posting that raw dogging has 86 00:04:24,774 --> 00:04:29,494 Speaker 1: entered common parlance for anything done unassisted. Not wearing shoes, 87 00:04:29,574 --> 00:04:32,174 Speaker 1: or eating cereal without milk, for example, These are all 88 00:04:32,214 --> 00:04:35,734 Speaker 1: things that are now referred to as being raw dogged. Then, 89 00:04:35,854 --> 00:04:39,014 Speaker 1: earlier this year, a TikTok account under the name West 90 00:04:39,134 --> 00:04:42,534 Speaker 1: was Here, who in consequent interviews has gone simply by 91 00:04:42,534 --> 00:04:45,334 Speaker 1: the name West posted a video proclaiming to have bear 92 00:04:45,494 --> 00:04:49,174 Speaker 1: backed a nine hour flight, and it got millions of use. 93 00:04:49,574 --> 00:04:51,854 Speaker 1: It's literally the guy just sitting there staring at the 94 00:04:51,894 --> 00:04:54,894 Speaker 1: plane map in the seat ahead. That video was followed 95 00:04:54,894 --> 00:04:58,374 Speaker 1: by an article from GQ magazine titled why men are 96 00:04:58,494 --> 00:05:02,014 Speaker 1: raw dogging flights. The journalists who wrote that article, Kate Lindsay, 97 00:05:02,294 --> 00:05:04,214 Speaker 1: said that she spoke to a few men who did this, 98 00:05:04,374 --> 00:05:07,694 Speaker 1: including West himself, and they revealed that they earned extra 99 00:05:07,774 --> 00:05:10,854 Speaker 1: points in this weird competition if they also don't even 100 00:05:10,854 --> 00:05:13,774 Speaker 1: get up to pee, drink any water, or accept any 101 00:05:13,774 --> 00:05:14,374 Speaker 1: food from the. 102 00:05:14,294 --> 00:05:15,214 Speaker 3: In flight service. 103 00:05:16,134 --> 00:05:18,734 Speaker 1: Some in the comments of that TikTok who also do this, 104 00:05:18,894 --> 00:05:22,974 Speaker 1: claims it makes the flight seem to go faster. West, 105 00:05:23,014 --> 00:05:25,814 Speaker 1: who has raw dogged many a flight, including one from 106 00:05:25,814 --> 00:05:29,814 Speaker 1: London to Perth, yes a full twenty one hours, compares 107 00:05:29,894 --> 00:05:32,454 Speaker 1: it to challenges like tough mutter to see how long 108 00:05:32,494 --> 00:05:35,814 Speaker 1: they can last while depriving themselves of things. It seemingly 109 00:05:35,854 --> 00:05:38,774 Speaker 1: makes them seem more masculine and cooler, but they're also 110 00:05:38,854 --> 00:05:42,534 Speaker 1: kind of laughing at themselves too. But something West admitted 111 00:05:42,574 --> 00:05:45,134 Speaker 1: to Kate Lindsay had us wondering if there was any 112 00:05:45,254 --> 00:05:45,934 Speaker 1: merit to it. 113 00:05:46,374 --> 00:05:46,494 Speaker 2: Now. 114 00:05:46,534 --> 00:05:50,014 Speaker 1: He claims that upon landing after raw dogging for long periods, 115 00:05:50,294 --> 00:05:54,734 Speaker 1: he feels more refreshed and energized. He feels recharged. So 116 00:05:54,854 --> 00:05:57,934 Speaker 1: could raw dogging actually be better for your mental health 117 00:05:58,014 --> 00:06:00,934 Speaker 1: after a long flight? We decided to find out what's 118 00:06:00,934 --> 00:06:03,494 Speaker 1: happening to your body and mind when you're at altitude 119 00:06:03,614 --> 00:06:08,854 Speaker 1: with doctor Tony Shema, a commercial pilot and aerospace medicine specialist. Tony, 120 00:06:09,094 --> 00:06:11,694 Speaker 1: what are your initial thoughts on flight raw dogging? 121 00:06:12,334 --> 00:06:17,094 Speaker 2: My very first impression is that I'm well impressed initially 122 00:06:17,094 --> 00:06:20,054 Speaker 2: that they can sit there quite still and not really 123 00:06:20,054 --> 00:06:22,454 Speaker 2: do anything for so many hours on a long hawk flight. 124 00:06:22,534 --> 00:06:25,534 Speaker 2: But from a medical perspective, I would suggest that there's 125 00:06:25,734 --> 00:06:28,734 Speaker 2: lots of healthier things they could be doing throughout that flight. 126 00:06:28,814 --> 00:06:31,854 Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure on the benefit that they're hoping 127 00:06:31,894 --> 00:06:33,694 Speaker 2: to get from raw dogging their way through. 128 00:06:34,254 --> 00:06:36,814 Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's talk about some of those healthy implications, 129 00:06:36,814 --> 00:06:39,294 Speaker 1: because one of the things that they say they score 130 00:06:39,374 --> 00:06:43,454 Speaker 1: extra points for is not drinking an ounce of water 131 00:06:43,774 --> 00:06:47,934 Speaker 1: for these extended flights. We know that we get dehydrated 132 00:06:48,734 --> 00:06:51,254 Speaker 1: in a plane, but why do we get dehydrated when 133 00:06:51,254 --> 00:06:51,854 Speaker 1: we're on a flight? 134 00:06:53,334 --> 00:06:56,254 Speaker 2: Yeah, again, a good question. I would suggest that the 135 00:06:56,294 --> 00:07:00,254 Speaker 2: evidence for dehydration on long HAWF flight is actually quite limited, 136 00:07:00,294 --> 00:07:02,694 Speaker 2: So I wouldn't go and say that we do get dehydrated, 137 00:07:02,694 --> 00:07:06,974 Speaker 2: but we definitely feel dehydrated because we're in a situation 138 00:07:07,094 --> 00:07:09,854 Speaker 2: or an environment where the altitude is higher than what 139 00:07:09,894 --> 00:07:12,334 Speaker 2: we're used to on the ground, wandering around at sea level, 140 00:07:12,374 --> 00:07:15,694 Speaker 2: the air is quite cold and dry, and a lot 141 00:07:15,734 --> 00:07:19,214 Speaker 2: of people deliberately, as you've just mentioned, I mean and 142 00:07:19,214 --> 00:07:22,134 Speaker 2: well before these fads, a lot of people will reduce 143 00:07:22,174 --> 00:07:24,854 Speaker 2: the amount that they drink, and particularly water, so they 144 00:07:24,854 --> 00:07:27,254 Speaker 2: don't have to be getting up constantly going to the bathroom. 145 00:07:27,534 --> 00:07:29,334 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of different reasons why we might 146 00:07:29,454 --> 00:07:31,934 Speaker 2: feel dehydrated on the flight, But we know that not 147 00:07:32,054 --> 00:07:35,054 Speaker 2: drinking that will definitely lead to dehydration, and that's got 148 00:07:35,134 --> 00:07:37,054 Speaker 2: quite a few different health risks that that would need 149 00:07:37,094 --> 00:07:40,694 Speaker 2: to be addressed. If someone is actively withholding their fluid. 150 00:07:40,454 --> 00:07:43,654 Speaker 1: Intake, another thing they do is that they don't get 151 00:07:43,774 --> 00:07:47,174 Speaker 1: up so they see the entire time they don't move around. 152 00:07:48,174 --> 00:07:51,014 Speaker 1: We are well aware that moving around on a flight 153 00:07:51,174 --> 00:07:53,174 Speaker 1: is quite important, but why is that. 154 00:07:53,654 --> 00:07:55,974 Speaker 2: The risk that most people would be concerned about from 155 00:07:56,014 --> 00:07:59,214 Speaker 2: what we'd call immobility is the development of blood clots. 156 00:07:59,294 --> 00:08:01,254 Speaker 2: A lot of your listeners may have heard of DVTs 157 00:08:01,334 --> 00:08:03,854 Speaker 2: deep vein trombosis, where the clots are forming in the 158 00:08:03,894 --> 00:08:06,894 Speaker 2: deeper complex of veins, normally in our legs, and they 159 00:08:06,894 --> 00:08:09,334 Speaker 2: can then progress and end up in our lungs and 160 00:08:09,734 --> 00:08:12,414 Speaker 2: all sorts of problems. And we know from a medical 161 00:08:12,454 --> 00:08:15,094 Speaker 2: standpoint that some of the risk factors for developing these 162 00:08:15,134 --> 00:08:19,214 Speaker 2: clots are hanging around after surgery, for example, being stuck 163 00:08:19,254 --> 00:08:21,334 Speaker 2: in a bed after you've han or had an operation, 164 00:08:21,894 --> 00:08:25,774 Speaker 2: long car drives, and of course fon flights, because when 165 00:08:25,814 --> 00:08:30,094 Speaker 2: we move around we're not consciously using these muscles, but Obviously, 166 00:08:30,094 --> 00:08:31,774 Speaker 2: all the muscles that keep us up and about are 167 00:08:31,814 --> 00:08:34,494 Speaker 2: contracting in an ongoing fashion, and that helps morve the 168 00:08:34,494 --> 00:08:36,654 Speaker 2: blood along. So if we sit there and do nothing, 169 00:08:36,854 --> 00:08:40,174 Speaker 2: that immobility and a stasis, and from a blood perspective, 170 00:08:40,494 --> 00:08:42,894 Speaker 2: means that the risk of clots really does go up. 171 00:08:43,374 --> 00:08:46,454 Speaker 1: Now, these guys also what they don't do is they 172 00:08:46,454 --> 00:08:48,894 Speaker 1: don't go to sleep, which is what many of us 173 00:08:49,374 --> 00:08:52,374 Speaker 1: do on a flight, and sometimes some of us fall 174 00:08:52,414 --> 00:08:55,894 Speaker 1: asleep without really meaning to. But I've read that maybe 175 00:08:55,934 --> 00:08:59,854 Speaker 1: that's due to the oxygen levels being lower when you're 176 00:09:00,174 --> 00:09:01,134 Speaker 1: in the middle of a flight. 177 00:09:01,254 --> 00:09:04,454 Speaker 2: Is that true, absolutely, Claire. Yeah, So, as I alluded 178 00:09:04,454 --> 00:09:07,534 Speaker 2: to before, that the cabin altitude, so what we're actually 179 00:09:07,534 --> 00:09:10,854 Speaker 2: experiencing on a long haul flight be similar to say, 180 00:09:11,214 --> 00:09:14,254 Speaker 2: wandering along a mountain top six thousand feet in the air. So, 181 00:09:14,614 --> 00:09:17,574 Speaker 2: as you've rightly pointed out, the actual pressure of oxygen, 182 00:09:17,574 --> 00:09:19,854 Speaker 2: the amount of oxygen that's available for us to breathe 183 00:09:19,974 --> 00:09:23,494 Speaker 2: is less than what we would normally have available wandering 184 00:09:23,534 --> 00:09:26,014 Speaker 2: around down here at sea level, and so the body 185 00:09:26,174 --> 00:09:29,374 Speaker 2: reacts to that and tries to protect itself and essentially goes, okay, well, 186 00:09:29,374 --> 00:09:31,734 Speaker 2: I've got less oxygen now to use for all my 187 00:09:31,814 --> 00:09:35,054 Speaker 2: various functions. I'm going to slow everything down so I 188 00:09:35,094 --> 00:09:37,294 Speaker 2: don't have to use as much oxygen that I have 189 00:09:37,454 --> 00:09:40,494 Speaker 2: available floating around, if that makes sense. But there are 190 00:09:40,494 --> 00:09:43,174 Speaker 2: a lot of different reasons why flying long haul and 191 00:09:43,214 --> 00:09:45,214 Speaker 2: being on an aircraft can make you feel fatigue at 192 00:09:45,214 --> 00:09:48,774 Speaker 2: the other end, so actively stopping yourself sleeping and trying 193 00:09:48,774 --> 00:09:51,734 Speaker 2: to stay awake for the entire flights, that's probably not 194 00:09:51,734 --> 00:09:52,934 Speaker 2: the healthiest thing to be doing. 195 00:09:53,814 --> 00:09:55,494 Speaker 1: Well, we have you, I think we need to clear 196 00:09:55,574 --> 00:09:58,374 Speaker 1: up a few things about being on a plane that 197 00:09:58,414 --> 00:10:00,494 Speaker 1: have been circulating for a while that may or may 198 00:10:00,534 --> 00:10:03,214 Speaker 1: not be true. First of all, is that you should 199 00:10:03,254 --> 00:10:05,894 Speaker 1: never drink the water that is stored on the plane 200 00:10:06,014 --> 00:10:08,894 Speaker 1: unless it is from a bottle. Is there a reason 201 00:10:08,934 --> 00:10:10,534 Speaker 1: why we don't drink plain water? 202 00:10:11,134 --> 00:10:14,494 Speaker 2: I would suggest that you can safely drink what the 203 00:10:14,574 --> 00:10:16,374 Speaker 2: crew is giving you, because they're only going to be 204 00:10:16,414 --> 00:10:19,734 Speaker 2: accessing even what is safe contion obviously, but a lot 205 00:10:19,774 --> 00:10:22,374 Speaker 2: of them, depending on the flight the aircraft, the airline 206 00:10:22,494 --> 00:10:24,494 Speaker 2: will be giving your water out of the water bottle. Anyway, 207 00:10:24,814 --> 00:10:28,374 Speaker 2: I wouldn't recommend drinking water that's potentially coming out of 208 00:10:28,374 --> 00:10:30,454 Speaker 2: the taps in that system of the aircraft. But I 209 00:10:30,494 --> 00:10:34,694 Speaker 2: couldn't tell you intelligently why that is. People are probably 210 00:10:34,694 --> 00:10:37,854 Speaker 2: worried about contaminants and the water having been mixed with 211 00:10:37,894 --> 00:10:40,774 Speaker 2: something else that might thence help problems down the track. 212 00:10:40,814 --> 00:10:42,494 Speaker 2: But good question, and sorry I can't give you a 213 00:10:42,494 --> 00:10:43,974 Speaker 2: clear answer on that one. I'll have to do a 214 00:10:43,974 --> 00:10:44,574 Speaker 2: bit of research. 215 00:10:44,974 --> 00:10:47,214 Speaker 1: We'll just stick to the bottled water anyway. Hey, it's 216 00:10:47,214 --> 00:10:49,734 Speaker 1: not like we're drinking out of the toilet taps. 217 00:10:50,134 --> 00:10:52,374 Speaker 2: Don't drink out of the toilet, Yeah. 218 00:10:51,974 --> 00:10:53,294 Speaker 3: Don't drink out of the toilet itself. 219 00:10:53,334 --> 00:10:55,294 Speaker 1: No, especially if you're going to get close to the 220 00:10:55,334 --> 00:10:59,534 Speaker 1: suction when you flush it. Can things actually get like 221 00:10:59,774 --> 00:11:02,694 Speaker 1: sucked out through the toilet system, Like there's a TikTok 222 00:11:02,734 --> 00:11:04,974 Speaker 1: doing the rounds of someone throwing a. 223 00:11:04,894 --> 00:11:07,294 Speaker 3: Toilet roll, the whole toilet. 224 00:11:07,014 --> 00:11:08,734 Speaker 1: Roll down there and then pressing flush and the whole 225 00:11:08,774 --> 00:11:11,014 Speaker 1: thing gets sucked doubt could that happen? 226 00:11:11,494 --> 00:11:14,494 Speaker 2: Well? The toilet system, as far as I'm aware, uses 227 00:11:14,694 --> 00:11:17,654 Speaker 2: a suction system to users them. Flowing air from the 228 00:11:17,694 --> 00:11:20,814 Speaker 2: outside develop a suction and that then allows whatever you've 229 00:11:20,854 --> 00:11:23,534 Speaker 2: put into the toilet to be sucked into the system 230 00:11:23,694 --> 00:11:25,934 Speaker 2: and to the storage for collection later. On once the 231 00:11:25,974 --> 00:11:29,254 Speaker 2: aircraft is on the ground. But it's not that powerful 232 00:11:29,334 --> 00:11:31,614 Speaker 2: that you're going to get sucked down the toilet or 233 00:11:31,934 --> 00:11:34,614 Speaker 2: you know, if you're worried about physical injury in that regard, 234 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:37,494 Speaker 2: But throwing an entire toilet rolled down, good question, don't know. 235 00:11:37,734 --> 00:11:39,334 Speaker 2: Probably not something I'm going to try, Given that I 236 00:11:39,374 --> 00:11:39,814 Speaker 2: work from. 237 00:11:39,734 --> 00:11:43,094 Speaker 1: Airline Tony, A lot of us when we jump on 238 00:11:43,134 --> 00:11:48,334 Speaker 1: a plane, understand that the pressurization process affects gases inside 239 00:11:48,334 --> 00:11:50,174 Speaker 1: of things. So if you take a plastic water bottle on, 240 00:11:50,214 --> 00:11:53,014 Speaker 1: for example, it ends up getting sucked in until you 241 00:11:53,214 --> 00:11:56,014 Speaker 1: undo the lid and allow air to flow back into it. 242 00:11:56,054 --> 00:11:58,854 Speaker 1: But it is the same thing happening inside our body. 243 00:11:58,934 --> 00:12:02,614 Speaker 1: Are the gases also too, expanding and contracting as we're 244 00:12:02,774 --> 00:12:03,654 Speaker 1: taking off and landing? 245 00:12:04,574 --> 00:12:07,734 Speaker 2: Absolutely they are, and there's clear ways I guess that 246 00:12:07,814 --> 00:12:10,934 Speaker 2: you can experience these yourself and feel these yourself, mainly 247 00:12:11,054 --> 00:12:14,414 Speaker 2: within your ears. So in short, what happens we start 248 00:12:14,414 --> 00:12:17,694 Speaker 2: on the ground inside the cabin sea level pressure, but 249 00:12:17,774 --> 00:12:20,614 Speaker 2: from a whole variety of different engineering reasons. The cabin 250 00:12:20,854 --> 00:12:23,614 Speaker 2: pressure so what we're experiencing for the majority of the flight, 251 00:12:23,654 --> 00:12:25,854 Speaker 2: as I mentioned before, lower pressure than what we're used 252 00:12:25,894 --> 00:12:27,734 Speaker 2: to wandering around tire on the ground, and that will 253 00:12:27,774 --> 00:12:30,894 Speaker 2: gradually happen. That pressure will gradually drop as the aircraft 254 00:12:30,974 --> 00:12:33,814 Speaker 2: takes off and climbs. Now, it's nothing like the pressure 255 00:12:33,854 --> 00:12:36,814 Speaker 2: on the outside of the plane. That's not compatible with 256 00:12:37,134 --> 00:12:39,334 Speaker 2: human life. If we were exposed to that, then sure 257 00:12:39,374 --> 00:12:42,854 Speaker 2: things would go quite badly. But absolutely, as that pressure drops, 258 00:12:43,174 --> 00:12:45,934 Speaker 2: gas expans, be it inside a packet of chips or 259 00:12:45,974 --> 00:12:49,574 Speaker 2: a water bottle, or indeed within our ears, within our guts, 260 00:12:49,854 --> 00:12:52,774 Speaker 2: and so you will experience all sorts of symptoms when 261 00:12:52,774 --> 00:12:55,014 Speaker 2: you're going up, and also when the aircraft starts to 262 00:12:55,014 --> 00:12:58,414 Speaker 2: come down, the opposite happens. The pressure increases and that 263 00:12:58,454 --> 00:13:01,574 Speaker 2: gas contracts, and that's when you start to feel some 264 00:13:01,614 --> 00:13:04,854 Speaker 2: of that squeezing potentially inside your ear. For example, you've 265 00:13:04,894 --> 00:13:06,614 Speaker 2: got a bit of a cold, which is a very 266 00:13:06,614 --> 00:13:09,374 Speaker 2: common problem that we come across when people try to fly, 267 00:13:09,734 --> 00:13:10,694 Speaker 2: feeling a bit unwell. 268 00:13:11,294 --> 00:13:13,294 Speaker 1: What are we breathing in when we're up there, Tony. 269 00:13:13,374 --> 00:13:17,014 Speaker 1: There's a lot of conspiracy around the germs that float 270 00:13:17,054 --> 00:13:21,494 Speaker 1: around the gases that might come out of us during 271 00:13:21,494 --> 00:13:24,614 Speaker 1: a flight to and that all getting sort of recycled 272 00:13:24,654 --> 00:13:27,414 Speaker 1: around and then blown directly into our faces via the 273 00:13:27,414 --> 00:13:28,454 Speaker 1: air conditioning vents. 274 00:13:28,774 --> 00:13:30,494 Speaker 3: What are we actually breathing in up there? 275 00:13:30,854 --> 00:13:34,494 Speaker 2: Somewhat of a controversial topic, particularly since COVID, because we 276 00:13:34,694 --> 00:13:38,614 Speaker 2: know that air travel and aircraft are vectors for certain 277 00:13:38,654 --> 00:13:40,534 Speaker 2: for viruses, and what that means is we know that 278 00:13:40,854 --> 00:13:44,574 Speaker 2: they're responsible essentially for transferring people that may be unwell 279 00:13:44,814 --> 00:13:46,974 Speaker 2: and the viruses they have from one point to another. 280 00:13:47,014 --> 00:13:50,694 Speaker 2: That's just as a result of technology and human civilization 281 00:13:50,814 --> 00:13:53,534 Speaker 2: and so on. What you're asking, what we're breathing and 282 00:13:53,854 --> 00:13:56,294 Speaker 2: being in close quarters with other people and the circulation 283 00:13:56,414 --> 00:14:00,814 Speaker 2: of the air has been extensively studied and it's all 284 00:14:00,934 --> 00:14:03,294 Speaker 2: pretty safe. A lot of studies we're done, as I said, 285 00:14:03,334 --> 00:14:05,814 Speaker 2: in COVID, looking at the circulation of the air in 286 00:14:05,814 --> 00:14:08,574 Speaker 2: the cabin. Are people at risk of getting somebody's virus 287 00:14:08,614 --> 00:14:10,254 Speaker 2: if they're sitting next to them? And we know that 288 00:14:10,574 --> 00:14:13,214 Speaker 2: absolutely that's the case. If somebody's coughing all over you, 289 00:14:13,614 --> 00:14:16,174 Speaker 2: sure there's a good chance that you may pick that up. 290 00:14:16,174 --> 00:14:18,934 Speaker 2: And that's why we recommend you know, masks and hygiene, 291 00:14:19,014 --> 00:14:21,654 Speaker 2: you know, standard hygien all the usual stuff that was 292 00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:25,334 Speaker 2: thrown around during the height of the COVID pandemic, all 293 00:14:25,374 --> 00:14:28,614 Speaker 2: of that we would all absolutely recommend. But overall, it's 294 00:14:28,814 --> 00:14:31,694 Speaker 2: absolutely safe. You're not going to get sick. It's highly 295 00:14:31,774 --> 00:14:33,694 Speaker 2: unlikely that you're going to pick something up from someone 296 00:14:33,734 --> 00:14:35,494 Speaker 2: that's sitting on the other side of the aircraft or 297 00:14:35,574 --> 00:14:37,374 Speaker 2: the other side of the plane. Because they've got very 298 00:14:37,454 --> 00:14:42,294 Speaker 2: efficient filters. The entire cabin I guess air volume is 299 00:14:42,414 --> 00:14:45,974 Speaker 2: changed out frequently and put through those filters, and so 300 00:14:46,614 --> 00:14:48,974 Speaker 2: long story short, it's a pretty safe place to be. 301 00:14:50,054 --> 00:14:53,774 Speaker 1: Just finally, the one thing that these flight raw doggers 302 00:14:53,854 --> 00:14:57,014 Speaker 1: are reporting is that they actually feel a bit more 303 00:14:57,054 --> 00:14:59,974 Speaker 1: awake and more refresh and less jet lagged by the 304 00:14:59,974 --> 00:15:02,214 Speaker 1: time they get to the other end. Do you think 305 00:15:02,214 --> 00:15:05,374 Speaker 1: there's something in I don't know, good for your mental 306 00:15:05,414 --> 00:15:07,974 Speaker 1: health to just sit and do nothing for an extended 307 00:15:08,014 --> 00:15:10,974 Speaker 1: period of time and allow your mind to wander. 308 00:15:11,054 --> 00:15:13,174 Speaker 3: Perhaps that's where the benefit is in doing this. 309 00:15:14,534 --> 00:15:18,494 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean it's hard for us in I guess 310 00:15:18,534 --> 00:15:21,814 Speaker 2: the medical community to say anything definitively right unless we 311 00:15:21,934 --> 00:15:24,454 Speaker 2: do the studies and we compare a whole group of 312 00:15:24,454 --> 00:15:26,934 Speaker 2: people that are raw jogging versus those that aren't, if 313 00:15:26,934 --> 00:15:29,334 Speaker 2: that makes sense, and then come up with a result 314 00:15:29,494 --> 00:15:32,294 Speaker 2: showing that Okay, well, this process is actually better than 315 00:15:32,574 --> 00:15:35,014 Speaker 2: the other one. We can't say yes or no. I 316 00:15:35,014 --> 00:15:37,294 Speaker 2: guess I can't answer that question clearly. I'm not going 317 00:15:37,334 --> 00:15:39,374 Speaker 2: to sit here and say absolutely no, it's nonsense. It 318 00:15:39,414 --> 00:15:41,334 Speaker 2: can't possibly be good for you, because I mean, look 319 00:15:41,374 --> 00:15:46,454 Speaker 2: at all the people that would swear by meditation, sitting quietly, focusing, 320 00:15:46,654 --> 00:15:49,534 Speaker 2: and the benefits that come from that. I mean, surely 321 00:15:49,574 --> 00:15:52,454 Speaker 2: this could be considered simply a different form, right, So 322 00:15:52,894 --> 00:15:57,334 Speaker 2: if people are feeling better after they've done this, then great, 323 00:15:57,454 --> 00:16:00,214 Speaker 2: it's something that would be encouraged from that perspective. But 324 00:16:00,294 --> 00:16:03,134 Speaker 2: from a physical health perspective, I would never tell people 325 00:16:03,134 --> 00:16:05,254 Speaker 2: to sit there and not move and drink at the 326 00:16:05,334 --> 00:16:07,534 Speaker 2: end of the day. My advice is get up, walk 327 00:16:07,574 --> 00:16:10,294 Speaker 2: around as much as you can, and keep that water 328 00:16:10,374 --> 00:16:13,574 Speaker 2: and take up. But once you're in your seat, sitting still, 329 00:16:13,614 --> 00:16:15,334 Speaker 2: staring at the back of the seat in front of you, 330 00:16:15,414 --> 00:16:18,014 Speaker 2: or staring at the screen makes you feel good, then 331 00:16:18,374 --> 00:16:19,014 Speaker 2: go for it. 332 00:16:21,134 --> 00:16:24,454 Speaker 1: So, as Tony mentioned, you probably want to avoid dehydration 333 00:16:24,694 --> 00:16:27,694 Speaker 1: and deep vein throm bosis by avoiding sitting and doing 334 00:16:27,734 --> 00:16:30,894 Speaker 1: nothing and drinking nothing while flying. But maybe a little 335 00:16:30,934 --> 00:16:33,894 Speaker 1: bit of just staring into space might be a good thing. 336 00:16:34,534 --> 00:16:35,654 Speaker 3: Good luck, raw doggers. 337 00:16:37,014 --> 00:16:39,414 Speaker 1: I apologize for making you say the term raw dogging 338 00:16:39,534 --> 00:16:41,374 Speaker 1: several times during this interview. 339 00:16:43,014 --> 00:16:45,334 Speaker 2: I really need to do my research a bit better 340 00:16:45,334 --> 00:16:50,334 Speaker 2: before these things and see what's going on on the 341 00:16:50,334 --> 00:16:51,934 Speaker 2: internet before before the interview. 342 00:16:52,214 --> 00:16:53,734 Speaker 1: Can I just give you a word of advice, don't 343 00:16:53,854 --> 00:16:56,054 Speaker 1: just google the word raw dogging, make sure you include 344 00:16:57,174 --> 00:16:59,014 Speaker 1: before you start your reading. 345 00:16:59,134 --> 00:17:02,174 Speaker 2: I feel I feel so old now after this discussion. 346 00:17:03,094 --> 00:17:06,374 Speaker 2: I think that's very, very safe advice, and I appreciate that. 347 00:17:08,094 --> 00:17:10,734 Speaker 1: The Quiki is produced by me Claire Murphy and our 348 00:17:10,734 --> 00:17:14,094 Speaker 1: senior producer Taylorstrano, with audio production by Jacob Brown.