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Speaker 3: whether there are other programs like this in Australia, and

439
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Speaker 3: I'm afraid there aren't many of them. So what Loreal

440
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Speaker 3: is doing is pretty awesome. And I looked at sort

441
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Speaker 3: of activities that are designed for their fellows and this

442
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Speaker 3: one talking to their high school girls about yeah, our careers,

443
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Speaker 3: our patries, our golds and so on. That was the

444
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Speaker 3: most exciting part of that activity, which yeah, yeah, I

445
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Speaker 3: was so excited to know about this.

446
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's so great because I remember also

447
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Speaker 1: being in high school and I think part of the

448
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Speaker 1: reason I ended up choosing law was because I only

449
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Speaker 1: really knew about four jobs, you know, really thought that

450
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Speaker 1: there was sort of law, medicine, teaching, become an athlete,

451
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Speaker 1: which was I was obviously not going to do, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: I just didn't The world seems so narrow until someone

453
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Speaker 1: else helps you start to open it up. So and

454
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Speaker 1: I think also, I mean, this is just totally off topic,

455
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Speaker 1: but I think also our perceptions in everything can be

456
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Speaker 1: quite narrow until we meet people from different cultures. And

457
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Speaker 1: that's why I love travel so much. And again I'm

458
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Speaker 1: so impressed by those statistics coming from Iran, which is

459
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Speaker 1: a country I think again, Australians don't know a lot

460
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Speaker 1: about Iran, and I think it's you know, we have

461
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Speaker 1: a very specific exposure to Iran through the news or

462
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Speaker 1: through the media, and the fact that then to hear

463
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Speaker 1: that it's a more progressive country in gender equality and science,

464
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Speaker 1: then Australia is quite shocking. So are there any unexpected

465
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Speaker 1: parts about Iran that might surprise us just culturally to know?

466
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Speaker 1: Obviously you haven't been able to go back in the

467
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Speaker 1: past two years, but do you go back and visit,

468
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Speaker 1: do you miss it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's been quite a few years then yeah, yeah, Well,

470
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Speaker 3: I guess in Iran engineering is some sort of fair

471
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Speaker 3: rescue past way for women to show that they could

472
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Speaker 3: also be as good as men and even better. And honestly,

473
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Speaker 3: I mean my personal viewpoint is that there are a

474
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Speaker 3: number of engineering disciplines, at least if not many, that

475
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Speaker 3: women could actually add perform in these sort of disciplines.

476
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Speaker 3: I mean, as girls, women are always trying to pass

477
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Speaker 3: through the narrowest gates and that has short passed us

478
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Speaker 3: something somethingsdom So, yeah, strengths that maybe our male counterparts

479
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Speaker 3: don't have that. And yet I mean there are disciplines

480
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Speaker 3: such as, for example, in the automotive industry, you have

481
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Speaker 3: to be extremely organized, and yeah, I assume women could

482
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Speaker 3: shine in that industry as opposed to probably what the

483
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Speaker 3: common belief is that it's like masculine discipline. It suits

484
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Speaker 3: the boys the man. But yeah, we have certain qualifications

485
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Speaker 3: that probably makes us outperforming certain disciplines of engineering.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the girls. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you miss home or is Australia home?

488
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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: It's interesting.

490
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Speaker 1: We've had one of the other fellows who I haven't

491
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Speaker 1: interviewed everyone yet, but Jauen was saying that Australia has

492
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Speaker 1: become home. I mean she left China not that long ago,

493
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Speaker 1: but her transition to thinking of this as home happened

494
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Speaker 1: really quickly, whereas for some people that.

495
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Speaker 2: Take, you know, a lot longer.

496
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Speaker 3: How do you feel, well, I definitely miss home, but

497
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Speaker 3: I definitely consider Australia as home as well. And I'd

498
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Speaker 3: say that Australia is the sort of country that there

499
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Speaker 3: is nothing that you cannot like about this country. It's

500
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Speaker 3: just the people are so nice. I've traveled a lot

501
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Speaker 3: because of my career, different conferences here and there, and

502
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Speaker 3: I mean Australia and people you just see them in

503
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Speaker 3: the street and everyone has a smile on their face.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I remember our first year or two

505
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Speaker 3: in Australia. My husband keep telling me that this country

506
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Speaker 3: is not real.

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Speaker 2: Really, that's so cute, that's so lovely. Oh my gosh. Oh.

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Speaker 1: Is there a motivational quote that you think that guided

509
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Speaker 1: you through your journey?

510
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Speaker 3: Motivational quote that's a difficult one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

512
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Speaker 1: I love quote, so I just use them for every situation,

513
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Speaker 1: but sometimes people like I don't really know. I don't

514
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Speaker 1: really have quotes. But if you do, is there one

515
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Speaker 1: that helped you?

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess I could think of something that my

517
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Speaker 3: husband actually once told me. So, we were friends when

518
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Speaker 3: I was doing my bachelor and then I was trying

519
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: to get into the best master's program in the country,

520
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Speaker 3: which was in Tehran University, and my husband was a

521
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: graduate of that university. And then he told me to

522
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Speaker 3: study hard so that you could in a university that

523
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: you could be able to breath freedom and power. So yeah,

524
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Speaker 3: and I guess, yeah, studying engineering in the best university

525
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Speaker 3: of the country. Yeah, I definitely felt that. I felt power,

526
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Speaker 3: I felt freedom, that I could make things happen, I

527
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: could change things for the better.

528
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Speaker 2: Which you absolutely are.

529
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Speaker 1: Again, I've I had goosebumps this whole entire conversation. That

530
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: is so beautiful. What an amazing, amazing quote that obviously

531
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Speaker 1: has guided you to be changing the world now and

532
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: having such incredible power. And I'm sure many young women

533
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: listening will be feeling very empowered to seize their yay

534
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Speaker 1: on their way into a career in science and engineering.

535
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Speaker 1: And lastly, do you have a we call them recommendations

536
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Speaker 1: of a movie or a book, or a TV show

537
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Speaker 1: or something that just made you happy that you joy

538
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be about engineering either, just anything in

539
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Speaker 1: life that's made you really happy.

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Speaker 3: Could it be about engineering?

541
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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

542
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: Could?

543
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Speaker 1: I love how everything? I'm like, what do you miss

544
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Speaker 1: about Iran? Tell us what I've heard? It's a beautiful country.

545
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Speaker 2: Engineering in Iran. It's just like you live and breath.

546
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Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

547
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, yeah, Well, I hope I don't sound

548
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Speaker 3: a bit outdated, but I'd say that some of my

549
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 3: favorite books are those of Jules Verne, so yeah, in

550
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: nineteenth century French author. I guess everyone at least my

551
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: generation knows him quite a fit. He's famous for his

552
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: revolutionary science fiction novels like to Travel from the Air

553
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Speaker 3: to the Moon, or five Weeks in the Balloon and

554
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Speaker 3: so on. So I'm not a big fan of science

555
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: fiction books and movies myself. But what I like about

556
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: Jewelerne's books is that he always argued that he's not

557
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: writing about science and technology, but he's writing about how

558
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: he may achieve his dreams by means of technological advances.

559
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: I love this quote from him. He once said that

560
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Speaker 3: I wrote Five Weeks in a Balloon not as a

561
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: story about ballooning, but as a story about Africa. I

562
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: always was greatly interested in geography, history, and travel, and

563
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: I wanted to give a romantic description of Africa. And

564
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: there was no means of taking the travelers of my

565
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: history to Africa otherwise than in a balloon. And that's

566
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Speaker 3: why I invented the idea of a balloon in my history.

567
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Speaker 3: So I that's what I love about engineering or stem

568
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: fields in general. They gave you the chance to not

569
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: only dream your dream, but also pursue your dream and

570
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: maybe leave your dream, whether it is to electrify the

571
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: world or to develop a vaccine to save lives.

572
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Speaker 1: So yeah, oh my gosh, I know I've used these

573
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Speaker 1: words over and over again, but you are so inspired

574
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Speaker 1: and I have goosebunce again. Oh my god, what a

575
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: beautiful way to finish, Mada.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us.

577
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Speaker 1: I just am so inspired and cannot wait to continue

578
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: to follow your career in all the wonderful ways that

579
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Speaker 1: you're making our world a better place.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, sir, that's so kind. Thanks for having me.

581
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Speaker 1: I had this after every single guest, but I just

582
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Speaker 1: want to spend more time around doctor Jay Barney and

583
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: absorb some of her strength and intellect and class. And

584
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: what an amazing woman and such a fascinating area of expertise.

585
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine how many people listening have never even

586
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: thought about the job title a battery engineer. And how

587
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: can any young girl aspuy into a career she's never

588
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: even known to exist before. Our next guest is equally

589
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: as impressive, addressing environmental changes from a different angle, being

590
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Speaker 1: one of millions of us who wanted to be marine

591
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Speaker 1: biologists when we were younger to play with dolphins all day,

592
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Speaker 1: but then one of the few who actually went on

593
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Speaker 1: to become one. Doctor Kirsty Nash looks at how fishing

594
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Speaker 1: might maximize social and health outcomes through understanding the variation

595
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Speaker 1: in nutrition content among different piece of fish and how

596
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: environmental change will affect those food webs. I had no

597
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Speaker 1: idea that vitamin A deficiency is responsible for over six

598
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand premature deaths each year globally and up to

599
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand cases of preventable blindness in children. Nor

600
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Speaker 1: did I ever consider the link between a change in

601
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Speaker 1: climate nutrient content in our food and therefore whether our

602
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Speaker 1: nutrient needs can be met by the planet, even though

603
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Speaker 1: it's so obvious. Doctor Kirsty also shares some great insights

604
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Speaker 1: on the barriers to women in science when it comes

605
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: to motherhood, even creating her own online platform for parents

606
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Speaker 1: in academia anyone else getting a total motivational kick up

607
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Speaker 1: the butt from these women Introducing doctor Kirsty Nash. Kirsty,

608
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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Thank you, thank you so much

609
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Speaker 1: for joining us. I'm so so excited to get into

610
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Speaker 1: everything that you're doing to impact the world for the better.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those areas that, once I started reading

612
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Speaker 1: into it, I just thought, oh my gosh, that makes

613
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: so much sense. But how do none of us have

614
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Speaker 1: any idea about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the thing about science is a lot

617
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 4: of it goes on behind closed doors and you don't

618
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 4: necessarily know, you know, all the interesting things that are

619
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Speaker 4: being learned about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And even just in doing this series, I've sort

622
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Speaker 1: of got so much motivation and fascination that I kind

623
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Speaker 1: of wish I'd become a scientist. I'm like, this, is

624
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: it too late for me to go and dive into

625
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: stem myself, which is exactly a purpose of this show.

626
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Speaker 2: I guess I don't think it's ever too late.

627
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Speaker 4: And I think that's the great thing about you know,

628
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Speaker 4: living in this time, you can change career. You know,

629
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Speaker 4: it's never too late to decide that this is your

630
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 4: dream now and you want to try something new.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's so true And something I talk about so

632
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: much on the show, the nonlinear nature of people's pathways

633
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Speaker 1: to where they end up. I think we have such

634
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Speaker 1: a narrow conception of careers when we're younger, and there's

635
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Speaker 1: so much pressure to figure that out straight out of school.

636
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Speaker 1: But nobody's journey happens in a really straight.

637
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Speaker 2: Line kind of way.

638
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Speaker 1: So I definitely want to chat through your own pathway

639
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Speaker 1: into science. And I'm sure, all that twis in terms

640
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: that took you to get there. But to begin with,

641
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Speaker 1: can you give us a lay person's explanation of what

642
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: you're working on? Now, it's impact for the world, so

643
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: we can get a lay of the land. Micronutrient deficiencies

644
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: is a huge health concern and something maybe some of

645
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: us are considered on an individual level in terms of

646
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: our day to day diet, but probably not on a

647
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: broader global scale. So tell us what you're doing with

648
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Speaker 1: seafood and fishing and how it relates to climate change.

649
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's when my research sits between climate change,

650
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: human nutrition, and coral reef fisheries. And so basically the

651
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 4: soft of scale of the problem is that a lack

652
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Speaker 4: of essential micronutrients, so that's things like calcium, zinc, vitamin

653
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: a is a massive global problem. So it affects about

654
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Speaker 4: two point five billion people worldwide. Yeah, so it's a massive, yeah,

655
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Speaker 4: massive problem, massive impact, and the impact of those deficiencies

656
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Speaker 4: is significant. So just if we take vitamina as an example,

657
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Speaker 4: viamin a deficiencies have been linked to about five hundred

658
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Speaker 4: thousand cases of preventable child blindness each year. Oh my gosh, yeah.

659
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Speaker 4: So you think, oh, well, I don't have enough of these,

660
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Speaker 4: and you go and take a vitamin tablet and you think,

661
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Speaker 4: oh that's you know, I've solved problem. But actually the

662
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Speaker 4: scale of it is really significant, and seafood is an

663
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Speaker 4: important part of the diet of about a billion people worldwide.

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Speaker 4: Many of those people live in developing countries, including those

665
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Speaker 4: boarded by coral reefs. And the great thing is that fish,

666
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Speaker 4: including those caught in coray fisheries, are a great source

667
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Speaker 4: of a lot of these essential micronutrients, so things like

668
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Speaker 4: calcium and se confitiment a. The problem is we don't

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Speaker 4: currently know how environmental change will impact on this supply

670
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Speaker 4: of nutrients we get from fish and from coray fisheries.

671
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Speaker 4: So that's where my research comes in. Is we're looking

672
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Speaker 4: at what nutrients were getting from cray fisheries today and

673
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Speaker 4: how that might change in the future with a changing climate.

674
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Speaker 4: And the reason that's important is that if we can

675
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Speaker 4: find this out, it really has the potential to IMpower

676
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Speaker 4: communities and governments to manage their fisheries and maximum the

677
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Speaker 4: benefits they're getting from these resources, both today but also

678
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Speaker 4: as the climate changes into the future.

679
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it makes me so excited to hear

680
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Speaker 1: about career paths that you just don't in your normal

681
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: day to day life. You kind of take for granted

682
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Speaker 1: so many things like access to nutrients in food. The

683
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Speaker 1: nutrient profiles are different foods. You can google the profiles

684
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Speaker 1: of what you're eating, but no one really Like when

685
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: I think of climate change, I don't think straight away

686
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: about our global human deficiencies in certain vitamins.

687
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Speaker 2: I just wouldn't even connect that.

688
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: So the fact that there's a whole career in figuring

689
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Speaker 1: that out and forecasting that into the future to kind

690
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Speaker 1: of solve those problems, I mean, we don't even know

691
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: that you're the hero we all need, which is absolutely

692
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: amazing to hear about today.

693
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Speaker 4: What I find excitingly about this research is because it's

694
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Speaker 4: so indisciplinary. You know, it's not me just sitting in

695
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Speaker 4: a room on my own. It's really bringing together people

696
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 4: who work in human nutrition, people who work in climate change.

697
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Speaker 4: My background is coryphocology, so I spend a lot of

698
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 4: time following fish around underwater and understanding how fish interact

699
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Speaker 4: with their environ and so to do this side project,

700
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Speaker 4: you know, you've really got to bring together a whole

701
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Speaker 4: range of different people who have all sorts of different

702
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Speaker 4: expertise and lean on that expertise to be able to

703
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Speaker 4: answer this sort of question.

704
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's the thing a lot of

705
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Speaker 1: people don't understand and why it's so exciting to get

706
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Speaker 1: girls in schools that's sort of you know, understanding or

707
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: visualizing their futures, to get visibility of these kind of

708
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: intersections between disciplines, because again, I think we silo like

709
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Speaker 1: a science career is in a lab with test tubes,

710
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Speaker 1: and you know, if you were doing fish, you'd be

711
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: just looking at only fish that you couldn't merge climate

712
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Speaker 1: change and coral. You know, it's so exciting to be

713
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: able to expose people to the different ways you can

714
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: start off in one thing and end up touching lots

715
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Speaker 1: of different industries and areas without even having planned that.

716
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Speaker 1: And on top of everything you're already doing, I read

717
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Speaker 1: that there's another project you're working on in a different area,

718
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: a free resource hub called academic Life. It's an online

719
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: platform empowering parents in academia aunt balance work with caring responsibilities.

720
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Speaker 1: So lots of balls in the air tell us about that.

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Speaker 4: So the online platform is sort So I moved down

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Speaker 4: to Tasmania to start my current job, and then I

723
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Speaker 4: got pregnant and I had a baby, and you know,

724
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Speaker 4: we were away from friends and family, and my family's

725
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: in the UK, my husband's family is in the US.

726
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Speaker 4: We didn't know a lot of people here and had

727
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Speaker 4: quite a few struggles after I'd had my baby and

728
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Speaker 4: I was taking time off, and then I got diagnosed

729
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Speaker 4: with post natal depression. And I was so lucky with

730
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Speaker 4: the help that I got from people and colleagues here

731
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Speaker 4: and from the local health services, and then talking to

732
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Speaker 4: people working at other universities around the world, I realized

733
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Speaker 4: that actually a lot of people don't get that help.

734
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Speaker 4: You know, our job, we move a lot for our job,

735
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Speaker 4: and so people tend to be away from their support

736
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Speaker 4: networks and they don't necessarily have access to people who

737
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Speaker 4: can help them through some of these challenging times. And

738
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Speaker 4: I found a lot of resources online that were really

739
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Speaker 4: helpful to me, and I thought, well, you know, as

740
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Speaker 4: a parent, you don't have a lot of time to

741
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Speaker 4: find these sorts of things, and maybe I could build

742
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Speaker 4: a resource that was online and free that people could

743
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Speaker 4: then access a lot of this help even if they

744
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Speaker 4: don't have it in their local area, you know, they

745
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 4: could find their village online and they could find other

746
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Speaker 4: people who are going through similar things and get that

747
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Speaker 4: advice and get that support. And so this platform Academic

748
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Speaker 4: Life is all about that. It's about finding your online village.

749
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's so wonderful.

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Speaker 1: We call it finding your neighborhood at CCA, like finding

751
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Speaker 1: your tribe of people who really can you, empower you

752
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: and support you through different experiences.

753
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Speaker 2: And I think it's.

754
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Speaker 1: Really wonderful that it's targeted specifically at academia balancing work

755
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Speaker 1: and caring responsibilities because it's such a specific area that

756
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: has its own needs and you've got different travel requirements,

757
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Speaker 1: Like it's so important to be around people who understand

758
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Speaker 1: the things you're going through. And we have spoken in

759
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Speaker 1: a couple of these episodes about the fact that for

760
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Speaker 1: women in science that can be one of the really

761
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Speaker 1: difficult things. That the research world is moving at such

762
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Speaker 1: a fast pace that even stopping to have children at

763
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Speaker 1: all is kind of a challenge. So to have a

764
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Speaker 1: community of people who understand those niche experiences, can imagine

765
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Speaker 1: that the support would just be immeasurably valuable.

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Speaker 2: So can we go.

767
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Speaker 1: Back to the beginning to kind of trace how you

768
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Speaker 1: originally became interested in that, and also go through the

769
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Speaker 1: process of what spurred the move to Tazzi and how

770
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Speaker 1: you ended up here, and just trace through all the

771
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Speaker 1: different ways that your life has led you to where

772
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Speaker 1: you are today, particularly how you discovered that the job

773
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Speaker 1: you're in now was actually possible.

774
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Speaker 4: So I guess when I was eleven, I went to

775
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Speaker 4: the ECOT Center in the US and we saw this

776
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 4: guy diving in a tank and I said to my

777
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 4: parents that's what I want to do in my life.

778
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Speaker 4: And my mum was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, whatever,

779
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Speaker 4: you know, eleven year old telling you this. And then

780
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Speaker 4: we went home and I found this book on my parents'

781
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Speaker 4: bookshelf which was called Under the Red Sea, and it's

782
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Speaker 4: primarily about this guy, Hans Hass and all the diving

783
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Speaker 4: he did in the nineteen fifties in the Red Sea.

784
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Speaker 4: But in the book there's stuff about his wife, who

785
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 4: had been his secretary and then became his wife and

786
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Speaker 4: she became one of his team of underwater photographers. But

787
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Speaker 4: also because he had some TV shows fronting the show

788
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Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, so you know, there are

789
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 4: women out there doing this, and I just found this

790
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Speaker 4: lady so inspiring and I was like, oh, this is

791
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Speaker 4: maybe not just a pipe dream of an eleven year old,

792
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Speaker 4: this is something that I could do. And I kind

793
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Speaker 4: of held onto that, and at school people were like,

794
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Speaker 4: are you sure this is what you want to do?

795
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Speaker 4: You know, you surely do you want to really want

796
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Speaker 4: to specialize so early? And I was like, yeah, I'm

797
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Speaker 4: you know, I'm determined for this. I'm not going to

798
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Speaker 4: give up on this. And so I went to university

799
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Speaker 4: and did oceanography, and then I came to Australia, to

800
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Speaker 4: Townsville and did a master's in tropical marine ecology. And

801
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Speaker 4: that's when I sort of my academic career went off

802
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Speaker 4: on a bit of a tangent. So I then spent

803
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Speaker 4: about seven years working on marine conservation projects, teaching people

804
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Speaker 4: how to do underwater surveys. And then I worked on

805
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Speaker 4: a school ship in the Caribbean, teaching first year undergrads

806
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Speaker 4: from the US how to dive and intro to marine

807
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Speaker 4: biology and intro to oceanography. And I think, you know,

808
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Speaker 4: in my mind at that stage, that's what I was

809
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 4: going to do. I was going to stay very much

810
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Speaker 4: in the field. I was going to teach diving. I

811
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Speaker 4: was going to do these sort of conservation project type things.

812
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Speaker 4: And then I had to come back to Australia to

813
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Speaker 4: keep my residency. So I came back and when I

814
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 4: arrived back in Townsville, it some friends. Randomly someone was

815
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Speaker 4: advertising for a research system for six months and I

816
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 4: was like, I could apply for that. When I went

817
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Speaker 4: for the interview, the guy interviewing me, I could see

818
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 4: him thinking, all this girl has done is wafted around

819
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Speaker 4: the world in the tropics for the last six or

820
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Speaker 4: seven years.

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Speaker 2: It's still long vacation.

822
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Speaker 4: Yeah, can she really do this? And anyway, I got

823
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Speaker 4: the job, but I think he was pretty uncertain about this.

824
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Speaker 4: And I remember my first meeting with him. We sat down,

825
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Speaker 4: he said this is what I wanted to do, and

826
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Speaker 4: then he left the office and I spent the next

827
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Speaker 4: hour looking on Wikipedia all the things that he just

828
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Speaker 4: asked me to do, because I had no idea what

829
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Speaker 4: he died he just told me to do. I was like,

830
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Speaker 4: way out of my league. Then, I think this is

831
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Speaker 4: the thing that I find about answer is that I

832
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: think at school you're taught it's all about knowledge but

833
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Speaker 4: I think I've learned that actually science is all about

834
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Speaker 4: experimenting and using your initiative and knowing how to look

835
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Speaker 4: things up and knowing you to ask for help. And

836
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Speaker 4: so I stayed in that job for six months and

837
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Speaker 4: then it got extended for another year, and then he said,

838
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Speaker 4: do you want to do a PhD? And then he

839
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Speaker 4: employed me as a post doc and then he moved

840
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Speaker 4: back to England and I was like, oh, I'm going

841
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 4: to fend for myself now, and this great job came

842
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 4: up in Tazzy and so we moved down here. So

843
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Speaker 4: none of it has been really planned other than just

844
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Speaker 4: sort of following my passion, I think, and in following

845
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Speaker 4: my passion, I've ended up here. But it's I guess,

846
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 4: just grabbing opportunities as they came up, rather than feeling like,

847
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Speaker 4: you know, when I left school, I needed to know

848
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Speaker 4: where I was going to go and that I was

849
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 4: going to be an academic and a researcher. And this

850
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 4: is you know, I had it all sorted in my

851
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 4: head because I didn't do my PhD until I was

852
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 4: you know, thirty two thirty three, and I'd done all

853
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Speaker 4: these other things beforehand.

854
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, if I could give that sound to

855
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: my younger self when I was batching in school, like.

856
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Speaker 2: It would have changed my whole holiday life.

857
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Speaker 1: I think it's so important for younger people to hear

858
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: that you know these pathways they're not planned with a

859
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: tenue plan in advance, and they do often like there's

860
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: so many sliding doors moments where it's just that you

861
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: happen to see something in a newspaper and you just

862
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: put your name down, or you just meet someone who

863
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: exposes you to a different world.

864
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Speaker 2: And I think one of the things.

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Speaker 1: That I loved about what you said about that science

866
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily about knowledge. I think you think it's all

867
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Speaker 1: about having the answers. But I've noticed that scientists are

868
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: all just really good at asking the right questions. They

869
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: don't always know the answer straight away. But if you've

870
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: ever found yourself just asking life's great questions and filling gaps,

871
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Speaker 1: even with you know, the academic life platform, it was

872
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Speaker 1: you finding a gap and asking the right question about

873
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Speaker 1: a need, whether or not you knew that you could

874
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: actually fill that gap yourself, and something else that came up.

875
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: And I think I misquote this every single time I

876
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: refer to it. But one of the things were women

877
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: in general, but I imagine in science and STEM particularly

878
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: because there are fewer women in you know, emerging into

879
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: these careers. I hope that's changing, but is that you know,

880
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: often we will There's a study on women and men

881
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: applying for promotions in a corporate context, and men would

882
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: apply when they had sixty percent of the criteria, knowing

883
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: logically they could figure out the forty percent. And I

884
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: love that you took that approach and just applied for

885
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: the job and then google the rest because you've obviously

886
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: been able to figure it out. But women will so

887
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: often wait until they have one hundred to one hundred

888
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: and twenty percent of the criteria. So even if there

889
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: weren't any kind of gender inequalities institution equalities aside, we

890
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: miss out on the opportunities because of timing. So I

891
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: love that you just figured I can figure this out

892
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: as I go, because you always can.

893
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: And I think actually one of the things that I

894
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 4: found funny is when I started my PhD. About a

895
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 4: week after I started my PhD, and I was like, Oh,

896
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 4: this is so much to learn and I don't know anything,

897
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 4: and someone sent me this article that was in a

898
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 4: published in a scientific journal called the Importance of Stupidity

899
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 4: in Scientific Research. I mean, this article is all about

900
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 4: out If you know the answers about what you're researching,

901
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 4: then you're doing something that someone's already done. If you

902
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 4: feel stupid and a bit lost and you're uncertain, then

903
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 4: actually that's the sweet spot. That's where you want to be,

904
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 4: because that's when you're asking a question that is new

905
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 4: and exciting and people don't know the answer to and

906
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 4: could actually make a difference. And so if you don't

907
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 4: feel stupid some of the time, then you're not doing

908
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 4: it right.

909
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 2: I love that. That's such a good one.

910
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: So in your journey, did you find that you encountered

911
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: any particular challenges as a woman forging a career in

912
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: this industry, because I know they are industries where I

913
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: think women are still a bit in the minority. A

914
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: lot of us, you know, went through school without much

915
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: exposure to females and scientific careers in things like engineering.

916
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: We have this idea of equating to working into construction,

917
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: you know. But this is you know, showing that there

918
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: are so many women who have forged successful careers. So

919
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: what are some of the barriers that you have faced,

920
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: and the advice that you have for any women who

921
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: are aspiring to a career in science.

922
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 4: I think a lot of it is, as you say,

923
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 4: not seeing people in those roles. I think that can

924
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 4: be very confronting, where you see something you want to

925
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 4: you know, you want to do something, but you're like,

926
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 4: is this possible because I can't see someone else who

927
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 4: is like me in that role, And so it's the

928
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 4: uncertainty about am I going to be right for this,

929
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 4: or am I going to be enough, or am I

930
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 4: going to fit in or whatever. And I think something

931
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 4: that I have found really helpful is having great female

932
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 4: mentors along the way, people who are not necessarily in

933
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 4: my field, but have worked in similar environments. So you know,

934
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 4: you may want to be an engineer. You don't need

935
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 4: to find an engineer mentor, but maybe you find someone

936
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 4: who works in another SCIENTI field who is a female,

937
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 4: and they're higher up and they have seen some of

938
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 4: the challenges and the experiences and they can help guide you.

939
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 4: Because I think that's such a crucial thing is whoever

940
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 4: we are, we're always going to run into challenges and

941
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 4: having that person to guide you is really important. And

942
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 4: I think often we can be afraid to ask people

943
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 4: to be a mentor, but actually anyone you ask will

944
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 4: be flattered if you ask them to be a mentor.

945
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 4: And so I think sometimes if you see someone you think, oh,

946
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 4: I'm inspired by them, that actually just go and ask them,

947
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 4: you know, can I come and chat to you every

948
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 4: now and again or whatever. So I'd say that's one thing.

949
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: And then definitely you see that even when women come

950
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 4: into science, often we lose women as you go higher

951
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 4: up the hierarchy, and there's a lot fewer women as

952
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 4: you go, you know, to the top of the hierarchy

953
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: within science. And I think that has a lot to

954
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: do with the challenges of the short term contracts and

955
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 4: if you're going to have a family, and the uncertainty

956
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 4: and science often requires travel and things like that, so

957
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 4: that's definitely can be a challenge. I think COVID has

958
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 4: shown up a lot of those challenges in very stark terms,

959
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 4: because you have a lot of women working at home

960
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 4: and to do a lot of the caring responsibilities and

961
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 4: trying to have their career, and you know, that has

962
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 4: been really hard. But then at the same time, a

963
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 4: lot of this moved to online work has also been

964
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 4: very good because if, for example, you've just had a baby,

965
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 4: you may not want to travel to that international conference,

966
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 4: but you feel like it's important to your career. But

967
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 4: if that international conference is now online, you can actually

968
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 4: access that. And so I think this move to online

969
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 4: work and flexibility is something that I hope we can

970
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 4: stick to in the future because I think that challenging

971
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: time when you're trying to balance work and family responsibilities,

972
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 4: having some of these online opportunities can be you know,

973
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 4: really really beneficial and ensure that as a woman you're

974
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 4: not falling behind and you're staying competitive and you're getting

975
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 4: access to all those great opportunities that you would do

976
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 4: if you were a single man running around the world.

977
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

978
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: I think the kind of general move more heavily towards

979
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: the digital landscape has also been really exciting for that

980
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: kind of visibility of women in science because I mean,

981
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: even through this program, being able to push it out

982
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: digitally and we've recorded not in the same state, we've

983
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: had international recordings as well, and it's so exciting to

984
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: be able to share just girls in school, so you know,

985
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: you might not otherwise have been able to go and

986
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: speak to show them that these are the career paths,

987
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: to have that visibility earlier in their pathway so that

988
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: they know it is actually possible.

989
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: It's just such a privilege to be.

990
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: Part of this and so exciting to think of the

991
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: impact this could have on a lot of young girls'

992
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: choices as they go forward into the world. What has

993
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: been part of Lorel's fellowship enabled you to do in

994
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: your research? Because there's kind of two aspects to this.

995
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: There's really making your stories accessible to younger women or

996
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: not even younger women, just anyone who's earlier on in

997
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: their career in science. But also a grant that's allowed

998
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: you to push forward in your research. So what is

999
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: it enabled for you that you might not have otherwise

1000
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: been able to do?

1001
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 4: So some of it is, you know, just doing the

1002
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 4: research itself, but I would say that a big thing

1003
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 4: is there's not many grants out there that you can

1004
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 4: use to contribute to childcare and to be able to

1005
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 4: apply for a grant that is supporting your research, but

1006
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 4: also you know, if I go and do a field trip,

1007
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 4: will help me work out the childcare during that. I mean,

1008
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 4: particularly as an example, you know, because I don't have

1009
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 4: family here, you know, one set of families in the UK,

1010
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 4: one set of families in the US. If I need

1011
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 4: to go into the field and you know, my husband's

1012
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 4: then on his own and he's trying to juggle childcare

1013
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 4: and all these other things, having been able to pay

1014
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 4: for that extra childcare is a massive, massive plus for me.

1015
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 4: And so I would say that that's a really great

1016
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 4: and unusual thing about this fellowship that you don't see

1017
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 4: in a lot of funding streams.

1018
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually you're not the first of the fellows who's

1019
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: mentioned that. That was quite striking. And actually, when it

1020
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: really comes down to what enables women to forge a

1021
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: head in their careers in science, childcare is a really

1022
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: big barrier. It's not just getting research grinds, because there

1023
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: are many of those. So I think it's I've been

1024
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: so impressed that Lorel that's a beauty company, has been

1025
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: investing so heavily in science because I mean, science is.

1026
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: The ba of all their products.

1027
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: So I think, again, there's all these connections to the

1028
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: world of science that we don't necessarily otherwise make. Has

1029
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: there been a motivational quote or a mantra that's really

1030
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: guided you through your journey or something that you would

1031
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: sort of share with your daughter, or if she go through.

1032
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: Her own journey.

1033
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 4: I would say. There's one specifically to do with science

1034
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 4: that I really love because I feel like it sums

1035
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 4: up so much of what I have found about science.

1036
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 4: And that's one from Maria Montessori. I think she's the

1037
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 4: lady who started the Montessori schools or that sort of philosophy,

1038
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 4: and she said, we especially need imagination in science. It's

1039
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 4: not all mathematics nor all logic, but in somewhat beauty

1040
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 4: and poetry. And I just think that that sums up

1041
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 4: so much of or it corrects a lot of the

1042
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 4: misconception there is about science that you're sitting in school

1043
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 4: and you're taking exams, and you're so worried about that

1044
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 4: one particular grade, and you think that that is going

1045
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 4: to make or break your science career if that's what

1046
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 4: you want to be. And actually there's so many other

1047
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 4: skills that we can draw on to have a successful

1048
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 4: science career, and having some imagination about how you solve

1049
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 4: problems and drawing in on those skills can be so beneficial.

1050
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 4: I mean, as an example, this is not necessarily to

1051
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 4: do with imagination, but one job I got which was

1052
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 4: as a college lecturer teaching these students how to introduction

1053
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 4: to oceanographina and introduction to marine biology. And the reason

1054
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,479
Speaker 4: I got that job above the other candidates was because

1055
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 4: I was also a diving instructor. Had nothing to do

1056
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 4: with my science background. It was because I had that

1057
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 4: extra skill that made me more useful to the company.

1058
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, whether you have experience with

1059
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 4: accounting or marketing or you know, social media, whatever it is,

1060
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 4: so many of those aspects touched on science, and so

1061
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 4: don't feel that just being good at maths is the

1062
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 4: essential skill.

1063
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually funny how many of the fellows have

1064
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: mentioned that you at the beginning of your career, you

1065
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: kind of perceived science is mutually exclusive with the arts

1066
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: or creativity or expression. But actually, in practice, if you

1067
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: don't have creativity or some kind of artistic flair, your

1068
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: research is kind of hindered by your inability to think

1069
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: outside of those boxes. So that's I mean, incredibly reassuring

1070
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: for anyone who feels like, oh, but would I lose

1071
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: my creative side? Absolutely not, it seems.

1072
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 4: And actually, if you speak to I think if you

1073
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 4: speak to a lot of scientists, so many scientists have

1074
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 4: some sort of artistic hobby, you know, whether they're into

1075
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 4: music or they you know, they play an instrument, they

1076
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 4: do some sort of art or you know, whatever it is.

1077
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 4: I always find it really interesting what people do, you know,

1078
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 4: outside science, their hobbies that help them keep that creative slant.

1079
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: And I love that you mentioned that too, because it's

1080
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 1: I mean, in science, but also outside of science. Something

1081
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: that I think happens a lot is that we've become

1082
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: we silo ourselves so much into I am.

1083
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: A scientist, or I am a lawyer, or I am

1084
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: or whatever, and.

1085
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: We really drop extracurricular activities or things that are just

1086
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: for leisure or pleasure because they're not productive or because

1087
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: they don't contribute to our overall.

1088
00:55:59,719 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 3: OK.

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Speaker 1: But something I have loved and that this whole show

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Speaker 1: is based around, is the idea that the more sort

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Speaker 1: of additional but unrelated things you have in your life,

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Speaker 1: like you're diving the intersection of your passions and your profession,

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Speaker 1: whatever random combination that is, you never know when it's

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Speaker 1: going to be useful. And one of our most popular

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Speaker 1: episodes ever was Doctor Richard Harris, the twenty nineteen Australian

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Speaker 1: of the year who's undernethotist, which is so medical and

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Speaker 1: so unrelated to his passion which is technical cave diving,

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Speaker 1: and then to sedate the boys to get them out

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Speaker 1: of the cave, like he was the only person in

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Speaker 1: the world with that really random combination of passions and skills.

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Speaker 1: So that always reminds me someone out there is looking

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Speaker 1: for exactly what you have, no matter how weird it seems.

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Speaker 1: So whatever your passion is, and never think that just

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Speaker 1: because you're a scientist, you can't do completely unscience related

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Speaker 1: things in your life as well.

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Speaker 4: And also that don't undersell the skills you have, even

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Speaker 4: if they're not obviously directly relevant to know what you're

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Speaker 4: looking at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of things that are outside of your science brain,

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Speaker 1: do you have any what we call recommendations of a

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Speaker 1: movie or a book or a TV show. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it can be related to science, but I think also

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Speaker 1: it's really important to be able to get distance and

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Speaker 1: let your brain have a risk. Is there anything that's

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Speaker 1: just made you really happy that you've just it's given

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Speaker 1: you yay that you've watched or rich I think.

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Speaker 4: One of one of my favorite is a podcast called

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Speaker 4: how to fail. I don't know if you listen to

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Speaker 4: no and it's run by this lady Elizabeth Day, and

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Speaker 4: she interviews people who have super successful careers and all

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Speaker 4: sorts of different things, you know, celebrities or scientists or

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Speaker 4: you know, whatever it is, but she asks them about

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Speaker 4: three key failures they had along the way to where

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Speaker 4: they are today. And I love it because you hear,

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Speaker 4: you know, you see these people, you think, are they

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Speaker 4: are so successful, nothing's ever gotten wrong in their lives,

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Speaker 4: and then you hear these ridiculous stories of you know,

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Speaker 4: either stupid things they did or things that went wrong

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Speaker 4: or tragedies, and you just you're like, oh, everyone has

1131
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 4: this stuff, and being successful doesn't mean that you haven't

1132
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Speaker 4: had failures along the way and things haven't gone horribly

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Speaker 4: wrong at some point. And I just so many of

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Speaker 4: the stories in this podcast just made me laugh.

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Speaker 2: I love that so much.

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Speaker 1: I actually think failure is almost like a necessary ingredient

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Speaker 1: of success, because those are the things. One of my

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Speaker 1: good friends, Lisa Messenger, has this idea of failing forwards,

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Speaker 1: like you can't actually grow or elevate yourself to the

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Speaker 1: next level until you fail and stumble, because otherwise, how

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Speaker 1: would you grow to the next thing unless you'd figured

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Speaker 1: out what you weren't doing right. So it's a great

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00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: opportunity to learn and advance. I think your tolerance for

1144
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: failure is what tends to make people more successful. Yeah, yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. This was so fascinating.

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Speaker 1: You're the first real life marine biologist I've ever spoken to.

1147
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Speaker 1: I feel like so many of us because we love dolphins.

1148
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Speaker 1: When we're younger, everyone wants to be a marine biologist,

1149
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Speaker 1: but so few people actually become one. So it's been

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Speaker 1: fascinating to read about the ways that you've used oceanogga

1151
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Speaker 1: and branch out in all these different areas and are

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Speaker 1: continuing to change the world.

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Speaker 4: So thank you so much, Thanks very much, Sarah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I don't know how you could listen to

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Speaker 1: these women and not be blown away, even if you

1156
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Speaker 1: have no interest in ever working in science. Their work

1157
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Speaker 1: and the way it could change the world or is

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Speaker 1: changing the world for the better.

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Speaker 2: Is so incredibly interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'm thoroughly enjoying the nerd out right now and hope

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Speaker 1: this series encourages and inspires some future leading scientists to

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Speaker 1: push on with their yay in stem I'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear what you guys think, or anything you've learned or

1164
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Speaker 1: AHA moments, or if any of you were considering a shift.

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Speaker 1: It's always so great to know what the Yablewood thinks

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Speaker 1: of anything new or a bit different like a mini series.

1167
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Speaker 1: And if you have any specific questions you'd like me

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Speaker 1: to pass on to either Mardoch or Kirsty, please just

1169
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Speaker 1: click me a DM or email and I can definitely

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Speaker 1: make that happen. I'm so excited to bring you more

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Speaker 1: next week with our three medical Science Champions thanks to

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Speaker 1: the wonderful team at Loreal and There for Women in

1173
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Speaker 1: Science Fellowship, So please stay tuned and in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: I hope you're seizing your yay