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Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia

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Speaker 2: Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm

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Speaker 2: Em Burnham.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Laura Brodnick. And coming up on the show today,

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Speaker 1: Joe Allen has given a Just a Tell interview where

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Speaker 1: he said not much, but he said a lot. So

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Speaker 1: we're going to be unpacking the new drama around him

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Speaker 1: and Taylor Swift, which is unearthed a bit of a

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Speaker 1: new celebrity dating trend. What's to say?

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Speaker 2: There a lot to say there, but first, famous pop

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Speaker 2: artist Charlie XCX has come out with a new album.

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Speaker 1: Famous pop artist. I love put Well.

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Speaker 2: I'm always concerned that no one knows what I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about when I bring my own topic to the Spill.

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Speaker 1: I know who Charlie XCX is. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm like I ow a Derby star of the band

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Speaker 2: Use you don't know so Charlie XCX, she's a huge

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Speaker 2: pop star. She's come out with a recent album called Bratt.

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Speaker 2: You might have seen it on socials. It's like Neon

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Speaker 2: now playing sold out shows. A big one she did

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Speaker 2: guest and the surprise guest was none other than Addison Ray.

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Speaker 1: Is that a little bit shocking? Am I just being crazy?

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Speaker 1: Only because I feel like Addison Ray had such a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't so shocking because Addison is actually really

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Speaker 2: the songs on the album called Wondatch, And by collaborated,

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Speaker 2: I mean like she did this really iconic screen.

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Speaker 1: That's fine.

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Speaker 2: She and viral on Charlie's TikTok, so like she's now

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Speaker 2: She I think made TikTok. I would say like she

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Speaker 2: video on TikTok. She started that, she gained millions of followers,

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Speaker 2: literally the definition of an overnight sensation. She then made

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Speaker 2: She started in this film called He's All That, which was.

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Speaker 1: A which was poorly reviewed on this very podcast, poorly reviewed.

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Speaker 2: It was highly controversial because I guess He's All That

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Speaker 1: But the same energy. So I was always okay with

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Speaker 2: I thought she was great. She kind of played the

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Speaker 1: In American Horror Story. They're all just playing a publicist.

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Speaker 2: So I was only interested to see because I first

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Speaker 2: saw the video of Addison Ray joining Charlie XCS on

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Speaker 2: so many comments saying Addison Ray's rebrand needs to be studied,

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Speaker 2: Addison Ray needs to drop new music right now. I

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Speaker 2: can't believe I used to hate Addison Ray, and I

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Speaker 2: think it has to do with her relationship with certain celebrities.

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Speaker 2: So I didn't actually know she was friends with Charlie

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Speaker 2: I think she's being really smart right now. Like obviously

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what overnight fame does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's dangerous out there.

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Speaker 1: It also premiated the carn Film Festival, where it was

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you read this statement just by itself,

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Speaker 1: interview and she just said, good for them. Oh well,

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Speaker 1: that's the quote that's going on. She said good for them.

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Speaker 1: But the next line that's not getting put out as much.

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Speaker 1: She said, we need happiness in order to peacefully co parent,

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Speaker 1: and then she went on to say I'd love us

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Speaker 1: Chris Martin, who were infamously the most famous kind of yeah,

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Speaker 1: but anyway, we will link Joe Alwen's full interview with

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Speaker 1: The Sunday Times if you care to read all of it,

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Speaker 1: and you know, focus on his acting and maybe one

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Speaker 1: day you will see him on screen.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll watch conversation with friends. You nice. Thank you

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