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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is MMA MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Donald Trump has been busy with

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Speaker 2: big words on the conflict in Ukraine, introducing new tariffs

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Speaker 2: is your group chat suspiciously quiet about Friday Night's plans?

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Speaker 2: You might be surrounded by flaky friends. Today We're bringing

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Speaker 2: you another Trump Date with Amelia Lester, Plus an investigation

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Speaker 2: into the seven types of flaky friends and why they

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Speaker 2: Here's Claire Murphy with the latest from The Quickie newsroom

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Speaker 2: for Tuesday, February twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. Prime Minister Anthony our Benezi has faced a

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Speaker 1: grilling from the audience at the ABC's Q and A program.

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Speaker 1: acting faster to cracked down on anti Semitism. He was

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Speaker 1: also asked about rising Islamophobia, calling on people to come

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Speaker 1: together and acknowledging the role social media is playing and

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Speaker 1: allowing hate speech to spread. Mister Albinizi also said he

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Speaker 1: ULARU statement, the Truth Telling Commission and the Treaty, saying

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Speaker 1: the referendum failed and they have to respect Australian's choices,

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Speaker 1: so they're instead focusing on economic empowerment. Labour has been

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Speaker 1: struggling in recent polls. However, they experienced a boost in

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Speaker 1: the wake of the recent interest raight cut a Roy

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Speaker 1: preferred fifty one to forty nine. Excavators have started to

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Speaker 1: missing from Glenelle beat in Adelaide South on January twenty sixth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six. The excavation team has started to remove

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Speaker 1: The private organizers of the dig say they hope this

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Speaker 1: at least this part of the story can finally be

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Speaker 1: ruled out. Legendary R and B singer ROBERTA. Flack has

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Speaker 1: Irene Roberts will no longer be calling Summer Bay home,

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Speaker 3: This might be the craziest thing that's happened so far

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Speaker 3: The way American democracy has always worked is that Congress

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Speaker 2: This is a really interesting thing that he's done, right

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Speaker 2: What's the endgame here? Why is Trump doing all of

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Speaker 2: Can we change tech for a moment? I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about Elon Musk. Sure, how is his relationship with

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Speaker 2: But is that still the case. I mean, we're getting

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Speaker 3: There are some signs that Musk and Trump are maybe

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Speaker 2: Looking even further abroad to the conflict between Russia and Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: Trump fowed to end the war in Ukraine within twenty

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Speaker 2: four hours of taking office. Obviously that's not quite been

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm an editor at a magazine called Foreign Policy.

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Speaker 2: Amelia will be back on the quickie for another Trump date.

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Speaker 2: We're sure very soon. Hey. In other news, did you

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Speaker 2: battery recharged your cup full from spending time with your friends,

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Speaker 2: or did you make plans and then flake on them?

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Speaker 1: If you're always.

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Speaker 2: Running point on your group chat activities or making arrangements

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Speaker 2: psychologists Natata Tawari and Stylus Maag have done the heavy

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Speaker 2: lifting for us, so noncommittal comrades take note. First up,

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Speaker 2: we've got the relationship flake, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, the one I'm so sorry, Jim's if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: They're prioritizing their partner because evolutionarily speaking, our brains are

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Speaker 2: honest chat about how their constant cancelations make you feel.

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Speaker 2: Then there's the workflake who's always just too busy with

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Speaker 2: the office Tawari says they're caught in a dopamine cycle

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Speaker 2: of achievement, where work provides immediate validation. You'll need to

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Speaker 2: decide if you're okay with only seeing them when their

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Speaker 2: They wait till you're practically out the door to cancel. Look,

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Speaker 2: it's not personal. Their brain is actually choosing immediate comfort

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Speaker 2: forgetful flake. They either genuinely forgot or hope everyone else does.

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Speaker 2: Modern life's cognitive load is partially to blame here. The

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Speaker 2: solution is regular check ins and clear communication. The preemptive

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Speaker 2: flake starts dropping hints days before I can't go out,

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Speaker 2: They're trying to keep everyone happy but end up disappointing. Instead,

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Speaker 2: show some understanding. We've all over committed at times. And finally,

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Speaker 2: the rarest species, the upgrade flake. They'll bail the second

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Speaker 2: a better offer comes along. Tuari says this comes from

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Speaker 2: be time to set some boundaries. Psychotherapist Tina Chuman says

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Speaker 2: the key to handling any type of flaky friend is

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Speaker 2: honest communication. But at the end of the day, you'll

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Speaker 2: need to decide whether these friendships are working for you,

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Speaker 2: because while we all need to bail, sometimes chronic flaking

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Speaker 2: to invest in more reliable friends. Thanks for taking some

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Speaker 2: time to feed your mind with us today. The Quikie

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Speaker 2: is produced by me Taylor Strano and Claire Murphy, with

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Speaker 2: audio production by Lou Hill.