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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Good morning from

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Speaker 1: gadigal Land. I'm Taylor Strano.

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Speaker 2: Today marks a national day of mourning after the Bondei

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Speaker 2: Beach terrorist attack. It's a formal nationwide moment to honor

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Speaker 2: the fifteen people who had taken from their families and communities.

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Speaker 2: But what exactly is the national day of mourning and

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Speaker 2: how can you market at home? Plus, the world seems

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Speaker 2: to have a preference for daughters over sons. Mummy as

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Speaker 2: Analie's todd makes the case for the boy mum from.

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Speaker 1: Toddler tornadoes to raising the next generation of actually good

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Speaker 1: men before we get there.

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Speaker 2: Claire Murphy's Got You News headlines for Thursday January twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Taylor. The coalition between the Liberals and Nationals looks

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Speaker 3: to be on the brink of failing again after front

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Speaker 3: benches from the Regional Party tended their mass resignations, only

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Speaker 3: for Opposition leader Susan Lee to reject them. May senior

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Speaker 3: Nationals quit their portfolios for breaching cabinet solidarity after voting

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Speaker 3: against the new hate crimes legislation. Despite agreeing to back

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Speaker 3: the bill during a meeting on Sunday, the remaining front

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Speaker 3: benches from the party staged a mass walkout in solidarity,

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Speaker 3: but late on Wednesday night, miss Lee rejected the unnecessary resignations,

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Speaker 3: saying no permanent changes will be made to the Shadow

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Speaker 3: ministry at this time, giving the National Party time to

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Speaker 3: reconsider these offers of resignation. The move leaves the coalition

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Speaker 3: on the brink of its second divorce in just eight months.

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Speaker 3: Miss Lee said she had strongly urged mister Little Proud

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Speaker 3: not to walk away from the partnership. US President Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump has ruled out the use of force in his

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Speaker 3: bid to control Greenland, but said in a speech in

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Speaker 3: DeVos that no other country can secure the Danish territory. Trump,

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Speaker 3: speaking at the World Economic Forum annual meeting in Switzerland,

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Speaker 3: began his speech by saying Europe was heading in the

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Speaker 3: wrong direction, calling Denmark ungrateful. He played down the issue

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Speaker 3: of Greenland ownership as a small mask over a piece

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Speaker 3: of ice, and that the acquisition of the territory would

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Speaker 3: be no threat to the NATO Alliance, of which Denmark

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Speaker 3: and the United States are both members. Trump said that

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Speaker 3: people thought he would use force to take Greenland, but

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Speaker 3: claimed he doesn't have to on several occasions. During the speech,

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Speaker 3: which lasted more than an hour, Trump also mistakenly referred

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Speaker 3: to Greenland as Iceland. Prince Harry held back tears as

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Speaker 3: he said The Daily Mail had made his wife Meghan's

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Speaker 3: life an absolute misery during his appearance in the witness

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Speaker 3: box at London's High Court in his privacy lawsuit against

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Speaker 3: the papers publisher, the Duke of Sussex, and six other claimants,

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Speaker 3: including singer Elton John, assuing The Mail's publisher Associated Newspapers

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Speaker 3: for violations of their privacy from the early nineties until

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Speaker 3: the twenty tens. Associated which also publishes The Mail on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: has called the allegations preposterous smears, saying their journalists had

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Speaker 3: legitimate sources of information, including from the celebrity's friends and acquaintances.

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Speaker 3: Harry said during his testimony that he thinks it's fundamentally

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Speaker 3: wrong to have to put all of them through this

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Speaker 3: again when all they're asking for is an apology and

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Speaker 3: some accountability, saying it is a horrible experience and the

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Speaker 3: worst of it is that by sitting up here and

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Speaker 3: taking a stand against them, they continue to come after me. Earlier,

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Speaker 3: he repeatedly rejected claims that the paper's journalists were close

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Speaker 3: to his leaky social circle, saying, for the avoidance of doubt,

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Speaker 3: I am not friends with any of these journalists and

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Speaker 3: I never have been, adding my social circles were not leaky.

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Speaker 3: I want to make that absolutely clear. Associated's lawyers said

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Speaker 3: the information in the articles was legitimately obtained, putting it

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Speaker 3: to Harry that a former Royal editor of The Mail

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Speaker 3: on Sunday, Katie Nichol, was part of his social group.

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Speaker 3: Harry replied, if the sources were so good and she

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Speaker 3: was hanging out with all of my friends, then why

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Speaker 3: was she using private investigators who've been connected to all

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Speaker 3: the unlawful information gathering. Taylor Swift and Alanis Morissette have

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Speaker 3: both been named amongst the twenty twenty six Songwriters Hall

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Speaker 3: of Fame inductees. The induction ceremony will be held in

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Speaker 3: potentially be recognized for their work, including Kenny Loggins, who

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Speaker 3: wrote for Footloose, the founding members of the band Kiss,

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Speaker 3: and Rapper Christopher Tricky Stewart, who's best known for writing

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Speaker 3: songs like Rihanna's Umbrella and Beyonce's single Ladies. The Songwriter's

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame was established in nineteen sixty nine to

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Speaker 3: honor those creating popular music. A songwriter with a notable

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Speaker 3: catalog of songs qualifies for induction twenty years after the

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Speaker 1: Thanks Claire Next.

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Speaker 2: Australia's National Day of Mourning explained, the Federal Government has

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Speaker 2: declared today a National Day of Mourning for the victims

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Speaker 2: day to honor those who died, those injured, their families,

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Speaker 2: or a monarch's birthday, this National Day of Mourning is

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Speaker 2: not a public holiday. Schools, shops and offices stay open,

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Speaker 2: but there are shared moments built in. At seven oh

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Speaker 2: one pm Australian Eastern daylight time, Australians are being asked

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Speaker 2: to pause for one minute silence. There'll be a national

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Speaker 2: memorial event in Bondai organized by the Hubbard of Bondai,

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Speaker 2: live streamed for anyone who wants to watch. The theme

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Speaker 2: they've chosen is light will Win. A gathering of unity

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Speaker 2: and remembrance in Canberra and across New South Wales, national

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Speaker 2: institutions will be lit up and a commemorative installation called

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Speaker 2: fifteen Pillars of Light will stand as a visible symbol

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Speaker 2: of mourning and solidarity, one pillar for.

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Speaker 1: Each life lost.

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Speaker 2: Other organizations around the country are being urged to join in.

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Speaker 2: If you're wondering what you're meant to do, the government

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Speaker 2: and Bondai's Jewish community are keeping it simple. Light a

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Speaker 2: candle on your doorstair for or on your window, Share

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Speaker 2: a meal, or spend time with family and friends of

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Speaker 2: any faith or background, or choose one of fifteen suggested

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Speaker 2: mitzvahs small acts of kindness done in memory of the

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Speaker 2: reading children's stories that highlight goodness. Flags on commonwealth. In

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Speaker 2: New South Wales, government buildings will be flown at half

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Speaker 2: mast All Day as a mark of respect, and any

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Speaker 2: other organizations are welcome to do the same, but there's

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Speaker 2: no requirement to cancel events or shut down businesses.

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Speaker 1: There is an.

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Speaker 2: Invitation for schools, workplaces and clubs, though, to acknowledge the

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Speaker 2: day in whatever way feels appropriate if you want to

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Speaker 2: leave a message. There's also an online condolence book run

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Speaker 2: by the New South Wales government for people who can't

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Speaker 1: The National Day of Mourning is.

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Speaker 2: A day built less around big ceremony and more around

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Speaker 1: Also for unity.

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Speaker 2: We need to talk about boys throughout history. Baby boys

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Speaker 2: with the obsession of the world. If you extend your

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Speaker 2: China's one child policy, which ended in twenty fifteen, not

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Speaker 2: to their sex. Fast forward to now and we've seen

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Speaker 2: the data start to flip adoption numbers show there's a

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Speaker 2: strong desire for girls, with some countries saying around sixty

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Speaker 2: a lot of chat lately about parents preferencing daughters, from

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Speaker 2: the concept of being a hashtag girl dad trending on

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Speaker 2: socials right through to memes about how girls are easier, closer.

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Speaker 1: Or better company.

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Speaker 2: But what about the mums who only have sons. Examples

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Speaker 2: of troubled boys and the anxiety around raising bad men.

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Speaker 1: Have proliferated through pop culture, further.

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Speaker 2: Stoking fears and parents to be like the award winning

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Speaker 2: series Adolescence or the many many fears from the manosphere

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Speaker 2: reporter and self described mob That's mother of Boys. Analtes

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Speaker 2: Todd has written about feeling defensive when she sees those

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Speaker 2: headlines and discussions. Her argument is that we've swung from

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Speaker 2: in a toxic masculinity error. But Analse sees things differently.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to start with where you think this

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Speaker 4: I think there's a few things. It starts out, you know,

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Speaker 4: when you're at a cafe and you're seeing you know,

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Speaker 4: every every child is different, but generally they are more energetic, noisy, messy, loud.

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Speaker 4: So there's that there's this sort of viewpoint that they're easier.

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Speaker 4: And then also, like we've seen what's playing out in

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Speaker 4: a son is yours for life until he finds a wife.

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Speaker 4: So there's this very much this belief that you know,

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Speaker 4: having daughters, they will stick around and look after you,

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Speaker 4: I think as well, there's also very much that toxic

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Speaker 2: So I guess what you touched on there is this

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Speaker 1: They turn out to be part of this world.

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Speaker 2: And this community of men who perpetuate quite gross stereotypes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so.

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Speaker 2: Then Adalise, I ask you, like, well, how do you

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Speaker 2: raise good boys?

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Speaker 1: You're doing it. You have two sons, I do.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a privilege to be so closely involved

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Speaker 4: the blueprint for how they treat and view women for

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Speaker 4: the world needs is good men.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the benefits of raising boys, Adelies.

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Speaker 2: We're often told, like you mentioned before, about how good

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Speaker 2: it is to raise girls, and you get to make

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Speaker 2: self and identity and confidence.

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Speaker 1: But what about for boys.

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Speaker 4: At the time of recording, actually haven't seen my sons

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Speaker 4: for ten days.

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Speaker 1: You just asking me.

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Speaker 4: That makes me want to cry. Boys are so beautiful

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Speaker 4: I just there's a really special, beautiful bond between a

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Speaker 4: and it's different with each of them. But they are

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Speaker 4: just there's so much good in there, and there's so

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Speaker 4: much beauty in their hearts. And they're also just really fun.

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Speaker 4: Like I grew up in a girl house, and you know,

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Speaker 4: you do have to get used to the physicality of them.

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Speaker 4: It is different, but I just love their energy and

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I feel like you've very quickly become the

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Speaker 2: Quickie slash my unofficial parenting spiritual guide because we've had

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Speaker 1: But regardless, kids.

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Speaker 4: big love. I would say in raising suns, so much love.

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