1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,144 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:26,784 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to 4 00:00:26,824 --> 00:00:30,024 Speaker 1: the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodney 5 00:00:30,104 --> 00:00:32,704 Speaker 1: and I'm a Vernon and on the show shave so 6 00:00:32,784 --> 00:00:36,064 Speaker 1: many juicy topics we need to touch on. Miley Cyrus 7 00:00:36,144 --> 00:00:38,224 Speaker 1: is in a legal battle and she's finally giving us 8 00:00:38,224 --> 00:00:41,584 Speaker 1: some information about that. One of our favorite actresses has 9 00:00:41,624 --> 00:00:44,144 Speaker 1: given a very emotional interview that I know you've had 10 00:00:44,144 --> 00:00:46,224 Speaker 1: a really personal response to and a lot of people have. 11 00:00:46,344 --> 00:00:49,064 Speaker 1: We're going to get into that, but first we need 12 00:00:49,104 --> 00:00:50,024 Speaker 1: to get something out of the way. 13 00:00:50,144 --> 00:00:54,864 Speaker 2: But first, Kanye West is facing a lawsuit which has 14 00:00:54,904 --> 00:00:58,064 Speaker 2: been filed by a former contestant on America's Next Up 15 00:00:58,144 --> 00:01:03,784 Speaker 2: Model named Jennifer Ann So. She alleges that on a 16 00:01:03,864 --> 00:01:07,584 Speaker 2: video shoot that took place in twenty ten, that she 17 00:01:07,784 --> 00:01:12,184 Speaker 2: was sexually assaulted by Kanye West. According to the lawsuit, 18 00:01:12,264 --> 00:01:15,304 Speaker 2: the incident happened at the Chelsea Hotel in New York City. 19 00:01:15,824 --> 00:01:19,384 Speaker 2: In the claims, it says that Kanye West chose her 20 00:01:19,544 --> 00:01:23,344 Speaker 2: from a selection of models. She alleged that he said, 21 00:01:23,464 --> 00:01:27,064 Speaker 2: I want the Asian one. She also describes that it 22 00:01:27,184 --> 00:01:31,424 Speaker 2: involved choking and gagging in a pornographic way, like very violent. 23 00:01:32,024 --> 00:01:35,304 Speaker 2: She said that he forcibly inserted his fingers into her 24 00:01:35,344 --> 00:01:38,504 Speaker 2: mouth and described what he was doing as art, comparing 25 00:01:38,584 --> 00:01:45,304 Speaker 2: himself to Picasso. So absolutely awful, awful allegations. In a statement, 26 00:01:45,464 --> 00:01:48,664 Speaker 2: she said that she felt like she was alone in 27 00:01:48,704 --> 00:01:50,784 Speaker 2: that situation, and even though she was in a room 28 00:01:50,864 --> 00:01:53,384 Speaker 2: full of people, no one stepped in or said anything. 29 00:01:53,904 --> 00:01:57,064 Speaker 2: In addition to the lawsuit, Universal Music Group is also 30 00:01:57,264 --> 00:02:00,464 Speaker 2: named for allegedly failing to ensure safe practices. 31 00:02:01,144 --> 00:02:03,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a very upsetting story. And look at 32 00:02:03,584 --> 00:02:05,104 Speaker 1: the top of the episode, when I said, like, let's 33 00:02:05,104 --> 00:02:06,464 Speaker 1: get this out of the way, I didn't mean like 34 00:02:06,664 --> 00:02:09,104 Speaker 1: we have to sort of push it aside. I just meant, obviously, 35 00:02:09,264 --> 00:02:11,984 Speaker 1: we a lot of people have anger and fatigue over 36 00:02:12,104 --> 00:02:14,824 Speaker 1: all these stories that are always out about famous men 37 00:02:15,184 --> 00:02:17,704 Speaker 1: doing awful things, which is a reflection of what men 38 00:02:17,864 --> 00:02:21,024 Speaker 1: are doing. Yeah, exactly, and also just a reflection of 39 00:02:21,024 --> 00:02:22,904 Speaker 1: what everyday women are facing from the men in their 40 00:02:22,904 --> 00:02:25,624 Speaker 1: lives and so many different circumstances. Because I actually think 41 00:02:25,624 --> 00:02:27,304 Speaker 1: this should be bigger news. Like I know this has 42 00:02:27,344 --> 00:02:29,944 Speaker 1: been reported and people have been following this case. This 43 00:02:29,984 --> 00:02:32,864 Speaker 1: isn't the first series of allegations against Kanye West that 44 00:02:32,904 --> 00:02:35,784 Speaker 1: have come out. But I do think sometimes when there's 45 00:02:35,824 --> 00:02:38,704 Speaker 1: so many stories like Yah Sean Yea, like Seawan Combs 46 00:02:38,744 --> 00:02:40,744 Speaker 1: and Kanye West, that sometimes people get a bit of 47 00:02:40,784 --> 00:02:44,384 Speaker 1: fatigue and they only kind of latch onto the story 48 00:02:44,384 --> 00:02:47,304 Speaker 1: when other celebrities are named. I feel when those first 49 00:02:47,384 --> 00:02:50,904 Speaker 1: lot of allegations against Kanye West started getting traction, there 50 00:02:50,944 --> 00:02:52,984 Speaker 1: was a lot of interest in how Kim Kardashian was 51 00:02:53,024 --> 00:02:55,504 Speaker 1: involved and things that were said about her and him 52 00:02:55,504 --> 00:02:58,144 Speaker 1: sending a private investigator after her, all those other things. 53 00:02:58,304 --> 00:03:01,464 Speaker 1: But I think sometimes when other allegations come out, it's 54 00:03:01,464 --> 00:03:03,704 Speaker 1: just almost the same. With Seawan Combs and like obviously 55 00:03:03,784 --> 00:03:06,664 Speaker 1: Kanye and Shawn Combs, their names have been linked in 56 00:03:06,704 --> 00:03:09,664 Speaker 1: some accusations, people are just wanting to know who are 57 00:03:09,664 --> 00:03:11,704 Speaker 1: the celebrities to be named in that case. I think 58 00:03:11,744 --> 00:03:14,384 Speaker 1: sometimes they can switch off a little bit when it's 59 00:03:14,424 --> 00:03:16,704 Speaker 1: these kind of faceless victims that are coming forward, which 60 00:03:16,704 --> 00:03:18,544 Speaker 1: I understand because it's also really upsetting. 61 00:03:18,664 --> 00:03:20,664 Speaker 2: It is so upsetting, But I think we've also talked 62 00:03:20,664 --> 00:03:24,224 Speaker 2: in the past that even with Seawan Combs, like, there's 63 00:03:24,264 --> 00:03:27,144 Speaker 2: so many cases now that the lawyers are working through 64 00:03:27,184 --> 00:03:29,744 Speaker 2: that it's so important to remember there are real people 65 00:03:29,824 --> 00:03:35,144 Speaker 2: behind these allegations who have perhaps gone to such excruciating, 66 00:03:35,184 --> 00:03:38,264 Speaker 2: traumatizing events, and it is important to tell each one 67 00:03:38,264 --> 00:03:38,984 Speaker 2: of their stories. 68 00:03:39,384 --> 00:03:41,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. And also there's so many people 69 00:03:41,744 --> 00:03:43,264 Speaker 1: out there saying like, oh, you know, well, what if 70 00:03:43,264 --> 00:03:46,064 Speaker 1: this isn't true and these men's careers are ruined. And 71 00:03:46,144 --> 00:03:49,424 Speaker 1: I really struggle to see when men's careers are ruined 72 00:03:49,424 --> 00:03:51,704 Speaker 1: by this sort of thing, unless in the rare cases 73 00:03:51,744 --> 00:03:54,184 Speaker 1: where they are convicted and they go to jail and 74 00:03:54,224 --> 00:03:57,184 Speaker 1: like physically they are taken from society. And I think 75 00:03:57,224 --> 00:03:59,064 Speaker 1: a lot of people, particularly in the US, like all 76 00:03:59,104 --> 00:04:01,584 Speaker 1: those women who came forward against Johnald Trump and then 77 00:04:01,584 --> 00:04:03,384 Speaker 1: he was just voted leader of the country, So you 78 00:04:03,384 --> 00:04:06,784 Speaker 1: would be thinking, like, don't tell me that making accusations 79 00:04:06,784 --> 00:04:09,424 Speaker 1: against men is going to ruin their career prospects, because 80 00:04:09,824 --> 00:04:11,504 Speaker 1: it doesn't look it's going to happen. And there's so 81 00:04:11,504 --> 00:04:14,464 Speaker 1: many men in the entertainment industry who have had allegations 82 00:04:14,504 --> 00:04:17,544 Speaker 1: against them, but especially with sexual assaults and things, it 83 00:04:17,584 --> 00:04:20,464 Speaker 1: can be very, very difficult to prove, and so a 84 00:04:20,504 --> 00:04:22,784 Speaker 1: lot of the time these accusations are pushed away and 85 00:04:22,824 --> 00:04:25,984 Speaker 1: they go on to keep making money and making products. 86 00:04:25,984 --> 00:04:28,224 Speaker 1: And I feel like again, people like the world feel 87 00:04:28,304 --> 00:04:29,704 Speaker 1: so heavy, you don't want to get weighed. 88 00:04:29,504 --> 00:04:31,904 Speaker 2: Down in it. Yeah, definitely, you should be way down 89 00:04:31,904 --> 00:04:34,744 Speaker 2: at it. You should be way down on it. So, 90 00:04:34,824 --> 00:04:37,784 Speaker 2: of course we'll keep on reporting on this story as 91 00:04:37,824 --> 00:04:41,144 Speaker 2: an unfold. We've also done an article on Mamma Mia 92 00:04:41,184 --> 00:04:43,504 Speaker 2: about all the allegations on Kanye West, which we will 93 00:04:43,544 --> 00:04:49,064 Speaker 2: link in our show notes. So Florence Pugh has recently 94 00:04:49,184 --> 00:04:52,784 Speaker 2: opened up about her experience with PCOS in an interview 95 00:04:52,864 --> 00:04:57,384 Speaker 2: on a podcast. So PCOS is polcistic ovarian syndrome. I 96 00:04:57,424 --> 00:05:00,744 Speaker 2: weirdly feel like I've talked about this on this podcast before. 97 00:05:01,184 --> 00:05:03,584 Speaker 2: It can affect women in so many different ways. It's 98 00:05:03,624 --> 00:05:06,944 Speaker 2: actually quite common women can develop SI on the ovaries. 99 00:05:06,984 --> 00:05:10,024 Speaker 2: They could also come up in their blood tests. I 100 00:05:10,184 --> 00:05:15,264 Speaker 2: have PCOS, and mine is like I have too much testosterone, 101 00:05:15,504 --> 00:05:18,584 Speaker 2: So it like manifests in different different ways. But she 102 00:05:18,624 --> 00:05:21,464 Speaker 2: was quite candid and she shared about when she got 103 00:05:21,504 --> 00:05:25,304 Speaker 2: diagnosed with PCOS and endo she also had endometriosis, that 104 00:05:25,384 --> 00:05:28,384 Speaker 2: she throws her eggs at the age of twenty seven, 105 00:05:29,024 --> 00:05:32,224 Speaker 2: and she talked about how after freezing her eggs and 106 00:05:32,264 --> 00:05:35,144 Speaker 2: talking to her friends about it, that it all made 107 00:05:35,184 --> 00:05:38,104 Speaker 2: them look into their health as well, into that age, 108 00:05:38,184 --> 00:05:40,184 Speaker 2: which I think is something so important and I'm sure 109 00:05:40,184 --> 00:05:43,344 Speaker 2: after this interview now so many women around that age, 110 00:05:43,464 --> 00:05:46,984 Speaker 2: myself included, are going to be looking into the same things. 111 00:05:47,464 --> 00:05:50,304 Speaker 2: It's weird because I feel like, working at mum and MIA, 112 00:05:50,384 --> 00:05:53,824 Speaker 2: we live in this bubble where I just assumed we 113 00:05:53,864 --> 00:05:56,304 Speaker 2: all knew what PCOS is and. 114 00:05:56,264 --> 00:05:58,344 Speaker 1: When did you get diagnosed, and like what we I mean, 115 00:05:58,344 --> 00:06:01,344 Speaker 1: obviously just say what you're comfortable with, What were the signs, 116 00:06:01,424 --> 00:06:03,584 Speaker 1: because I feel like that doesn't really get talked about enough. 117 00:06:03,704 --> 00:06:06,824 Speaker 2: I was diagnosed at fifteen, which is quite young, Yeah, 118 00:06:06,864 --> 00:06:09,784 Speaker 2: and I was immediately put on the contraceptor pill. Absolutely 119 00:06:09,784 --> 00:06:10,344 Speaker 2: wrung my life. 120 00:06:10,664 --> 00:06:11,064 Speaker 1: This is my. 121 00:06:11,064 --> 00:06:13,264 Speaker 2: Symptoms were I didn't get my period for like nine 122 00:06:13,304 --> 00:06:17,704 Speaker 2: months or something. I was getting excess like facial hair acne. 123 00:06:17,784 --> 00:06:21,024 Speaker 2: It's called hrtuism, which is like the testosterone kind of 124 00:06:21,024 --> 00:06:25,144 Speaker 2: coming through extreme weight gain, out of nowhere, hair loss, 125 00:06:25,184 --> 00:06:27,944 Speaker 2: like a lot of like weird things. The weird thing 126 00:06:28,144 --> 00:06:29,744 Speaker 2: was is that when I was put on the pill, 127 00:06:29,944 --> 00:06:32,584 Speaker 2: it fixed all of those things because the pill acted 128 00:06:32,664 --> 00:06:35,184 Speaker 2: as like a beautifying pill for me. Yeah, but it 129 00:06:35,224 --> 00:06:38,544 Speaker 2: completely destroyed my mental health, like depression and anxiety. 130 00:06:38,544 --> 00:06:39,064 Speaker 1: I had it all. 131 00:06:39,104 --> 00:06:41,744 Speaker 2: And I was on the pill till I was twenty 132 00:06:42,064 --> 00:06:44,504 Speaker 2: I want to say, twenty four twenty five, so quite 133 00:06:44,544 --> 00:06:47,184 Speaker 2: a long time. And then I decided to take a 134 00:06:47,224 --> 00:06:49,024 Speaker 2: break from it because I was getting these really bad 135 00:06:49,064 --> 00:06:51,504 Speaker 2: migraines and apparently if you get migraines when you're on 136 00:06:51,544 --> 00:06:53,424 Speaker 2: this certain type of pill, it can lead to blood 137 00:06:53,424 --> 00:06:56,184 Speaker 2: clots like awful, awful things. So I just decided to 138 00:06:56,184 --> 00:06:59,464 Speaker 2: take a break instead of changing pills, and immediately it 139 00:06:59,584 --> 00:07:02,784 Speaker 2: elevated and like my mental health just got so so 140 00:07:02,984 --> 00:07:03,544 Speaker 2: much better. 141 00:07:03,784 --> 00:07:05,424 Speaker 1: Well, I know there's been a lot of studies and 142 00:07:05,504 --> 00:07:08,784 Speaker 1: lengthsin and obviously everyone just talks to hearing doctor. Yeah, yeah, 143 00:07:08,864 --> 00:07:11,184 Speaker 1: situation always talks to a pfessional. But I think there 144 00:07:11,184 --> 00:07:14,024 Speaker 1: are so many stories about young women in particular who 145 00:07:14,304 --> 00:07:17,184 Speaker 1: go to doctors with health concerns and it's often just 146 00:07:17,184 --> 00:07:19,224 Speaker 1: like I'll go on this medication, or if it's to 147 00:07:19,304 --> 00:07:22,544 Speaker 1: do with like periods and menstrual cycles, it can be like, 148 00:07:22,544 --> 00:07:25,744 Speaker 1: well it's supposed to be painful, all that sort of stuff, 149 00:07:25,784 --> 00:07:26,344 Speaker 1: which is and. 150 00:07:26,304 --> 00:07:27,584 Speaker 2: They're like, just just go on the pill. 151 00:07:27,744 --> 00:07:29,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of misinformation out there, and you know, 152 00:07:29,904 --> 00:07:32,344 Speaker 1: I feel like you're complaining about anything of this thing, 153 00:07:32,424 --> 00:07:34,464 Speaker 1: especially as young women, not to look like drama queens 154 00:07:35,344 --> 00:07:37,184 Speaker 1: or to be kind of making a big deal over 155 00:07:37,224 --> 00:07:39,664 Speaker 1: something that's supposed to be natural. So everyone lives in 156 00:07:39,664 --> 00:07:43,104 Speaker 1: this bubble of thinking like that their health isn't worth 157 00:07:43,264 --> 00:07:45,864 Speaker 1: having these conversations about. Yeah, And so I think when 158 00:07:45,904 --> 00:07:49,264 Speaker 1: you hear like Florence's story, your story e camerial game change, Yeah, 159 00:07:49,304 --> 00:07:50,064 Speaker 1: especially when it's. 160 00:07:49,944 --> 00:07:53,264 Speaker 2: A big celebrity like Florence pute because I think, like 161 00:07:53,344 --> 00:07:55,144 Speaker 2: you said, it's one of those things where I feel 162 00:07:55,144 --> 00:07:57,384 Speaker 2: like so many women would just accept that this is 163 00:07:57,424 --> 00:07:59,584 Speaker 2: their reality and this is what all women go through, 164 00:07:59,584 --> 00:08:02,024 Speaker 2: and it's not the case at all. It's the freezing 165 00:08:02,064 --> 00:08:04,064 Speaker 2: of the eggs that made me really interested in this 166 00:08:04,144 --> 00:08:07,304 Speaker 2: specific story because it's something that from the age of 167 00:08:07,384 --> 00:08:09,544 Speaker 2: fifteen I was told that it'll be really difficult to 168 00:08:09,544 --> 00:08:12,344 Speaker 2: have kids. And when I was fifteen, I was like, Okay, 169 00:08:12,464 --> 00:08:14,584 Speaker 2: like that doesn't really affect me right now. And it's 170 00:08:14,624 --> 00:08:16,344 Speaker 2: something that's always been in the back of my head 171 00:08:16,384 --> 00:08:19,224 Speaker 2: as I've grown older, and I've always thought that that's 172 00:08:19,264 --> 00:08:21,184 Speaker 2: a next year job, Like next year, I'll do it. 173 00:08:21,224 --> 00:08:22,944 Speaker 2: Next year, I'll look into it. Next year, I'll check 174 00:08:22,984 --> 00:08:25,504 Speaker 2: my account and me and Florence fe are the exact 175 00:08:25,504 --> 00:08:28,904 Speaker 2: same age, and knowing real yeah, and knowing that she's 176 00:08:28,904 --> 00:08:34,144 Speaker 2: frozen her eggs already, I'm like, oh, oh, now that's also. 177 00:08:34,224 --> 00:08:36,224 Speaker 1: But the thing is that's hard to It's just kind 178 00:08:36,264 --> 00:08:38,464 Speaker 1: of like double edged sword. When I think celebrities talk 179 00:08:38,504 --> 00:08:42,024 Speaker 1: about health conditions or fertility conditions. Obviously I love it, 180 00:08:42,064 --> 00:08:44,104 Speaker 1: and I think they should be speaking about it. It does 181 00:08:44,184 --> 00:08:47,224 Speaker 1: give this level of awareness and give a voice to 182 00:08:47,304 --> 00:08:50,784 Speaker 1: concerns that so many people have. But I think also 183 00:08:51,264 --> 00:08:54,224 Speaker 1: there's so many different ways then that normal people would 184 00:08:54,224 --> 00:08:56,824 Speaker 1: be getting care and access to how celebrities get it, 185 00:08:56,864 --> 00:08:59,624 Speaker 1: because like I think the thing when people say like 186 00:08:59,624 --> 00:09:01,464 Speaker 1: like freeze your eggs or get these tests and like 187 00:09:01,504 --> 00:09:05,624 Speaker 1: that can be hugely expensive, not just the money to 188 00:09:05,664 --> 00:09:08,024 Speaker 1: freeze your eggs, but all the doctor's visits that go 189 00:09:08,064 --> 00:09:09,784 Speaker 1: with it and the downtime you have to take from work, 190 00:09:09,824 --> 00:09:12,144 Speaker 1: but also like paying the maintenance fee to keep the 191 00:09:12,184 --> 00:09:14,944 Speaker 1: eggs frozen. There's all these things, and obviously it's not 192 00:09:14,944 --> 00:09:17,304 Speaker 1: Florence Pugh's job to sort of be able to speak 193 00:09:17,344 --> 00:09:20,824 Speaker 1: to every level of society. But it's like when celebrities 194 00:09:20,864 --> 00:09:23,744 Speaker 1: also talk about like IVF and adoption, sorry to see 195 00:09:23,744 --> 00:09:25,864 Speaker 1: like that is so out of the realm of possibility 196 00:09:25,864 --> 00:09:28,504 Speaker 1: for most people, just because of the access and the 197 00:09:28,544 --> 00:09:31,304 Speaker 1: money involved. So it's like I feel like sometimes we 198 00:09:31,344 --> 00:09:33,784 Speaker 1: have these big celebrity profiles where they talk about these 199 00:09:33,784 --> 00:09:35,904 Speaker 1: things and we all say, like, yes, we should talk 200 00:09:35,944 --> 00:09:38,584 Speaker 1: about it, but then the conversation just goes away because 201 00:09:38,624 --> 00:09:40,584 Speaker 1: it comes to money and where's the money coming from. 202 00:09:40,664 --> 00:09:43,344 Speaker 2: It's so so expensive. But it also kind of makes 203 00:09:43,384 --> 00:09:46,784 Speaker 2: you realize that, like we talk about women in Hollywood 204 00:09:46,824 --> 00:09:49,144 Speaker 2: all the time and like all the things they face, 205 00:09:49,304 --> 00:09:51,544 Speaker 2: and this is just a woman's issue. It's not like 206 00:09:51,584 --> 00:09:54,944 Speaker 2: a famous woman's issue. It's like it affects everyone, and 207 00:09:55,024 --> 00:09:57,904 Speaker 2: just because you have that celebrity status and that money 208 00:09:57,944 --> 00:10:00,624 Speaker 2: and that fame, all these women are still dealing with 209 00:10:00,664 --> 00:10:03,304 Speaker 2: the same problems that we're all dealing with. I think 210 00:10:03,344 --> 00:10:08,064 Speaker 2: also something about speaking on PCOS specifically made me kind 211 00:10:08,064 --> 00:10:09,944 Speaker 2: of think of this article. I don't know if you 212 00:10:09,944 --> 00:10:12,024 Speaker 2: remember the but Amy Clark used to work here. I 213 00:10:12,184 --> 00:10:16,024 Speaker 2: wrote an article about her living with depression and calling 214 00:10:16,064 --> 00:10:18,984 Speaker 2: it the uncool mental illness. I remember her writing that, 215 00:10:19,264 --> 00:10:21,944 Speaker 2: and I think that's the same with pcos it's such 216 00:10:21,984 --> 00:10:25,184 Speaker 2: like an like quote unquote uncoole illness in the sense 217 00:10:25,224 --> 00:10:27,064 Speaker 2: that I don't know how to say this, but it's 218 00:10:27,064 --> 00:10:31,464 Speaker 2: not something that you can really fake, like it manifests physically, 219 00:10:31,624 --> 00:10:35,064 Speaker 2: like you see like crazy hair, like on my face, 220 00:10:35,224 --> 00:10:38,104 Speaker 2: you see like the weight gain, you see everything, and 221 00:10:38,144 --> 00:10:41,264 Speaker 2: it's something that it's like a way that a woman 222 00:10:41,304 --> 00:10:43,584 Speaker 2: traditionally should not look, that's how they look. And I 223 00:10:43,584 --> 00:10:46,424 Speaker 2: think there's something so powerful in her speaking about this 224 00:10:46,544 --> 00:10:50,464 Speaker 2: illness in particular because it is a quote unquote ugly illness, 225 00:10:50,624 --> 00:10:54,264 Speaker 2: and it's so different to hearing celebrities speaking about like 226 00:10:54,344 --> 00:10:58,104 Speaker 2: ADHD or anxiety, like something that is like a as 227 00:10:58,264 --> 00:11:01,344 Speaker 2: like really bad but like a hidden, invisible illness versus 228 00:11:01,344 --> 00:11:03,344 Speaker 2: something that like manifests physically as well. 229 00:11:03,664 --> 00:11:05,784 Speaker 1: And again I understand why celebrities wouldn't do this because 230 00:11:05,824 --> 00:11:07,504 Speaker 1: like you have to sort of protect yourself and it's 231 00:11:07,544 --> 00:11:09,864 Speaker 1: very vulnerable. But imagine if you had photos of women 232 00:11:09,904 --> 00:11:13,104 Speaker 1: who had those physical manifestations of the disease on like 233 00:11:13,144 --> 00:11:15,224 Speaker 1: the cover of a magazine or on a red carpet, 234 00:11:15,264 --> 00:11:17,824 Speaker 1: Like it's like a lot of people will talk about 235 00:11:17,824 --> 00:11:21,064 Speaker 1: these conditions, but they can't show the physical side of 236 00:11:21,104 --> 00:11:23,744 Speaker 1: it because the backlash from the pity would be so extreme. 237 00:11:23,944 --> 00:11:25,424 Speaker 1: The other thing I was like reading more into the 238 00:11:25,424 --> 00:11:27,464 Speaker 1: Florence Pew thing is that she was saying that she 239 00:11:27,544 --> 00:11:30,024 Speaker 1: got diagnosed in the US and then when she went 240 00:11:30,064 --> 00:11:32,024 Speaker 1: back home to the UK, they said, oh, no, no, 241 00:11:32,024 --> 00:11:34,904 Speaker 1: you're way too young to have PCUS, like that's not possible, 242 00:11:35,544 --> 00:11:37,384 Speaker 1: and obviously not not saying every doctor in the UK 243 00:11:37,424 --> 00:11:39,984 Speaker 1: would say something like that, and you talking about getting 244 00:11:39,984 --> 00:11:42,504 Speaker 1: diagnosed at fifteen. I think even just having that little 245 00:11:42,544 --> 00:11:45,304 Speaker 1: stippet of information out there of Florence p saying you're 246 00:11:45,344 --> 00:11:48,024 Speaker 1: not too young to get diagnosed, would I'm sure there's 247 00:11:48,024 --> 00:11:50,024 Speaker 1: a lot of teenage girls in particular who would hear 248 00:11:50,024 --> 00:11:52,744 Speaker 1: that and think I can go and get this checked out. 249 00:11:52,744 --> 00:11:55,144 Speaker 1: Like even just that bit of information is going I'm 250 00:11:55,144 --> 00:11:58,744 Speaker 1: sure that information is out there, but you know, celebrities 251 00:11:58,744 --> 00:12:00,584 Speaker 1: have a huge amount of influence and that's it's only 252 00:12:00,624 --> 00:12:03,624 Speaker 1: getting bigger, if anything, and so having her say that, 253 00:12:03,664 --> 00:12:05,064 Speaker 1: I think would cut through more. 254 00:12:05,224 --> 00:12:07,544 Speaker 2: Which is a good take. It's actually while that that happened, 255 00:12:07,824 --> 00:12:08,984 Speaker 2: because I'm just. 256 00:12:08,944 --> 00:12:11,464 Speaker 1: Like, if she's like Florena, right, she was like, they 257 00:12:11,464 --> 00:12:13,624 Speaker 1: told me, they showed me the medical results in the scans, 258 00:12:13,664 --> 00:12:15,384 Speaker 1: I have it, and the doctor was like, you're very 259 00:12:15,424 --> 00:12:16,104 Speaker 1: young to have that. 260 00:12:16,384 --> 00:12:19,824 Speaker 2: Oh no, not Florence, but yeah. So pc WES is 261 00:12:19,864 --> 00:12:23,104 Speaker 2: like a huge deal with especially young women who are 262 00:12:23,224 --> 00:12:27,344 Speaker 2: also going through fertility issues. I definitely encourage everyone to 263 00:12:27,384 --> 00:12:29,304 Speaker 2: listen to this interview. We will link it in the 264 00:12:29,304 --> 00:12:31,464 Speaker 2: show notes. But she speaks so candidly as well as 265 00:12:31,504 --> 00:12:34,304 Speaker 2: like all the symptoms she's faced with pc West, like 266 00:12:34,344 --> 00:12:36,944 Speaker 2: you said, like having to be on a red carpet 267 00:12:37,064 --> 00:12:39,184 Speaker 2: and like her knowing that she does get like a 268 00:12:39,184 --> 00:12:41,104 Speaker 2: lot of like hair and places that she feels like 269 00:12:41,144 --> 00:12:43,544 Speaker 2: she shouldn't get hair, and the thickness of it. But 270 00:12:43,784 --> 00:12:45,944 Speaker 2: I can't even imagine if someone who has like a 271 00:12:45,984 --> 00:12:49,464 Speaker 2: camera pointed at her twenty four seven zoomed ag like 272 00:12:49,464 --> 00:12:52,464 Speaker 2: we all follow like celeb face, Like imagine that zoomed 273 00:12:52,464 --> 00:12:55,224 Speaker 2: in on you twenty four to seven. Anyway, I've got 274 00:12:55,224 --> 00:12:55,944 Speaker 2: to go shave no. 275 00:12:56,264 --> 00:12:59,544 Speaker 1: No. So I feel like February was, you know, kind 276 00:12:59,544 --> 00:13:01,864 Speaker 1: of the month of Miley Cyrus this ye big hair, 277 00:13:02,024 --> 00:13:04,264 Speaker 1: Yeah big that hair was great. Can I just say so? 278 00:13:04,384 --> 00:13:08,184 Speaker 2: She went back to her Miley Stuart hair. I loved it. 279 00:13:08,504 --> 00:13:10,304 Speaker 1: So she had that big, teased hair that she won't 280 00:13:10,504 --> 00:13:11,864 Speaker 1: lead up to the Grammys. But I love that we're 281 00:13:11,864 --> 00:13:14,104 Speaker 1: going into this because it is important moment in pop culture, 282 00:13:14,104 --> 00:13:16,344 Speaker 1: I believe. And then when she was at the Grammys 283 00:13:16,344 --> 00:13:18,224 Speaker 1: wearing the sparkly dress and she was all tan and 284 00:13:18,264 --> 00:13:21,024 Speaker 1: she had teased her hair up, and there's so many 285 00:13:21,024 --> 00:13:23,304 Speaker 1: comments online giving her shit about it. I'm like, I 286 00:13:23,344 --> 00:13:26,224 Speaker 1: love big care. Put back big hare, bring back teased hair. 287 00:13:26,824 --> 00:13:29,224 Speaker 2: No, it was fun and so did that look for 288 00:13:29,264 --> 00:13:29,904 Speaker 2: her performance. 289 00:13:29,944 --> 00:13:31,904 Speaker 1: She looked so good. Just everything about that night of her, 290 00:13:31,944 --> 00:13:35,224 Speaker 1: like walking the red carpet. And then she won Record 291 00:13:35,264 --> 00:13:38,304 Speaker 1: of the Year and Best Pop Solo Performance for Flowers, 292 00:13:38,624 --> 00:13:40,504 Speaker 1: And I love that moment of her on stage where 293 00:13:40,504 --> 00:13:42,664 Speaker 1: she's first all she kind of calls out the audience 294 00:13:42,744 --> 00:13:44,584 Speaker 1: for not singing along enough and she's like, come on, 295 00:13:44,664 --> 00:13:46,624 Speaker 1: you know the words, and it scans to all their 296 00:13:46,624 --> 00:13:51,024 Speaker 1: faces and Taylor up there she's dancing. I do. I 297 00:13:51,024 --> 00:13:53,784 Speaker 1: think it's a really cute pop culture moment where Mileya 298 00:13:53,784 --> 00:13:55,824 Speaker 1: Sarius is singing and she changes the lyrics and says 299 00:13:55,864 --> 00:13:57,784 Speaker 1: I just want my first Grammy and jumps up it 300 00:13:57,824 --> 00:14:01,384 Speaker 1: down and pants to Taylor. And Taylor's like whoa, Because 301 00:14:01,384 --> 00:14:04,144 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is always drunk at an award show, and 302 00:14:04,184 --> 00:14:04,904 Speaker 1: I respect her. 303 00:14:05,024 --> 00:14:06,824 Speaker 2: She loves her little vodka krant. 304 00:14:06,744 --> 00:14:09,864 Speaker 1: So she does always like what's that? Miss always headlines 305 00:14:09,864 --> 00:14:12,744 Speaker 1: where it's like mysterious drink. Come on, guys, we've all 306 00:14:12,824 --> 00:14:15,624 Speaker 1: drunk it. Cranbr She's a basic girl. We love her, 307 00:14:16,624 --> 00:14:21,384 Speaker 1: so don't spread that miss sporical information. So Miley Cyrus 308 00:14:21,424 --> 00:14:23,184 Speaker 1: won her first Grammy. That was a big deal. She 309 00:14:23,304 --> 00:14:25,464 Speaker 1: was riding high on flowers in before that. There was 310 00:14:25,464 --> 00:14:27,864 Speaker 1: so much critical acclaiming for Flowers as a song for 311 00:14:27,904 --> 00:14:30,664 Speaker 1: the video clip, and it really inspired a movement. As 312 00:14:30,664 --> 00:14:32,384 Speaker 1: I was saying, I mean this morning, it didn't occur 313 00:14:32,464 --> 00:14:34,104 Speaker 1: to me that you couldn't buy flowers. I buy them 314 00:14:34,144 --> 00:14:36,104 Speaker 1: every week. That's just the decore choice. It's not a 315 00:14:36,344 --> 00:14:39,264 Speaker 1: it's not a personal feminist statement in any way. 316 00:14:39,504 --> 00:14:41,624 Speaker 2: She's like, I can buy myself flowers. You were like, wait, 317 00:14:41,624 --> 00:14:42,184 Speaker 2: what were doing? 318 00:14:42,904 --> 00:14:45,264 Speaker 1: What was everyone else doing? Me going on my little 319 00:14:45,264 --> 00:14:48,264 Speaker 1: flower walk every Saturday morning. I didn't know I was 320 00:14:48,304 --> 00:14:50,944 Speaker 1: making a feminist statement. I thought I was just being decorative, 321 00:14:50,984 --> 00:14:53,664 Speaker 1: but anyway, so that'll happen. And then in the months 322 00:14:53,704 --> 00:14:55,504 Speaker 1: that followed, things took a bit of a turn for 323 00:14:55,544 --> 00:14:58,984 Speaker 1: Miley Cyrus and that song, because in September she was 324 00:14:59,104 --> 00:15:03,544 Speaker 1: sued over the similarities between Flowers and the Bruno Mars 325 00:15:03,544 --> 00:15:06,344 Speaker 1: song When I Was Your Man. Yes, in case you 326 00:15:06,424 --> 00:15:09,064 Speaker 1: got across, this is a section of Flowers that is 327 00:15:09,104 --> 00:15:14,784 Speaker 1: referred to in the lawsuit ug and Barnacle, Flowers, bra 328 00:15:15,064 --> 00:15:19,624 Speaker 1: my name and sin ducking myself. 329 00:15:20,104 --> 00:15:23,464 Speaker 2: Owers says you're. 330 00:15:23,384 --> 00:15:25,624 Speaker 1: Not and this is a part from the Bruno Mars 331 00:15:25,624 --> 00:15:28,664 Speaker 1: song When I Was Your Man that is also involved 332 00:15:28,664 --> 00:15:36,144 Speaker 1: in a lawsuit I should have bought your flowers, should 333 00:15:36,424 --> 00:15:38,424 Speaker 1: give your armor hours. 334 00:15:39,584 --> 00:15:46,224 Speaker 2: With the head get an episode. What surprised me about 335 00:15:46,224 --> 00:15:47,824 Speaker 2: this lawsuit, yes. 336 00:15:48,264 --> 00:15:48,904 Speaker 1: Was sad. 337 00:15:50,384 --> 00:15:51,424 Speaker 2: I don't have no. 338 00:15:51,344 --> 00:15:53,664 Speaker 1: Idea where you're going with this, I thought, And I 339 00:15:53,704 --> 00:15:58,464 Speaker 1: thought we were all thinking that Flowers was like a 340 00:15:58,544 --> 00:16:03,104 Speaker 1: direct response to the Bruno Mars song because it's the 341 00:16:03,144 --> 00:16:07,504 Speaker 1: same song, Okay, exact same song. 342 00:16:07,784 --> 00:16:09,864 Speaker 2: We all thought it was a response to that song. 343 00:16:09,984 --> 00:16:12,384 Speaker 1: No, he the thing you can do a response to 344 00:16:12,544 --> 00:16:15,064 Speaker 1: a song and not get in trouble for copyright or 345 00:16:15,064 --> 00:16:18,864 Speaker 1: anything like that, or infringement, which is why you're responding 346 00:16:18,904 --> 00:16:21,304 Speaker 1: to the no. No. If you're responding to the lyrics, 347 00:16:21,304 --> 00:16:24,744 Speaker 1: what you can't do is copy the melody, the harmony 348 00:16:24,904 --> 00:16:28,304 Speaker 1: and duplicate that. So in the lawsuit, so all the 349 00:16:28,344 --> 00:16:31,224 Speaker 1: papers in the lawsuit have been attained by People magazine. 350 00:16:31,344 --> 00:16:33,584 Speaker 1: And we should also say that it's not Bruno Mars 351 00:16:33,624 --> 00:16:36,424 Speaker 1: that's suing Miley Cyrus. I feel like that story is 352 00:16:36,544 --> 00:16:39,984 Speaker 1: really it is actually so much a better story, but 353 00:16:40,064 --> 00:16:43,024 Speaker 1: unfortunately for us, it's not directly Bruno Mars. The person 354 00:16:43,064 --> 00:16:46,744 Speaker 1: who has actually filed the lawsuit is Tempo Music Investments 355 00:16:47,104 --> 00:16:49,864 Speaker 1: because they own a share of the copyright in the song, 356 00:16:50,424 --> 00:16:52,544 Speaker 1: and it always comes up to the copyright and Bruno 357 00:16:52,544 --> 00:16:54,944 Speaker 1: Mals is just out there playing, playing. 358 00:16:55,224 --> 00:16:57,064 Speaker 2: It's a good song, you love Flowers. 359 00:16:57,784 --> 00:17:01,384 Speaker 1: So in the lawsuit filed by Tempo Music Investments, they 360 00:17:01,384 --> 00:17:04,624 Speaker 1: say that Flowers is based on a combination and number 361 00:17:04,664 --> 00:17:07,784 Speaker 1: of similarities of When I Was Your Man, And in 362 00:17:07,824 --> 00:17:11,784 Speaker 1: the complaint they say it duplicates numerous melodic, harmonic and 363 00:17:11,904 --> 00:17:14,064 Speaker 1: lyrical elements of Bruno Mars's song. 364 00:17:14,584 --> 00:17:16,584 Speaker 2: So it's a good song. 365 00:17:16,704 --> 00:17:18,744 Speaker 1: So that does not matter in a court of for Emily. 366 00:17:18,864 --> 00:17:21,144 Speaker 2: I wish I was on her legal tim I'd be like, and. 367 00:17:21,064 --> 00:17:23,784 Speaker 1: What this is, what's definitely why you wouldn't be allowed 368 00:17:23,784 --> 00:17:25,664 Speaker 1: near a court room. I was about to say sue me, 369 00:17:25,704 --> 00:17:27,384 Speaker 1: and I was like, wait, that's exactly That's exactly what 370 00:17:27,384 --> 00:17:29,744 Speaker 1: they're doing. So why this is the news again this 371 00:17:29,784 --> 00:17:31,624 Speaker 1: week is that obviously there's a lot of back and 372 00:17:31,664 --> 00:17:34,024 Speaker 1: forth in the legal system around this, but this week 373 00:17:34,144 --> 00:17:38,104 Speaker 1: Miley Cyrus's legal team has denied allegations of plagiarism, and 374 00:17:38,144 --> 00:17:42,424 Speaker 1: they filed a motion to dismiss the copyright lawsuit around Flowers. 375 00:17:42,424 --> 00:17:44,344 Speaker 1: So it's unlikely. I mean, I don't know for sure, 376 00:17:44,384 --> 00:17:45,544 Speaker 1: this is the legal What would. 377 00:17:45,384 --> 00:17:47,264 Speaker 2: Happen if she does get to I don't just have 378 00:17:47,304 --> 00:17:47,624 Speaker 2: to pay. 379 00:17:47,904 --> 00:17:51,104 Speaker 1: What we've seen from other cases is that they would 380 00:17:51,144 --> 00:17:54,184 Speaker 1: potentially be able to get a percentage of the royalties 381 00:17:54,264 --> 00:17:56,944 Speaker 1: around the music, which is where a lot of the 382 00:17:56,984 --> 00:17:57,624 Speaker 1: money is made. 383 00:17:57,664 --> 00:17:58,944 Speaker 2: Do you think she'll have to give her Grammy to 384 00:17:58,984 --> 00:17:59,704 Speaker 2: Bruno Mars. 385 00:18:00,704 --> 00:18:03,624 Speaker 1: I mean, probably not give the Grammy to him, but 386 00:18:03,744 --> 00:18:06,184 Speaker 1: she would potentially have to give and again not Bruno 387 00:18:06,184 --> 00:18:09,024 Speaker 1: Mars off to faming him. So it's the music group 388 00:18:09,144 --> 00:18:11,664 Speaker 1: who's involved to do with royal tees, which can be 389 00:18:11,704 --> 00:18:13,104 Speaker 1: a really big deal. And I think a really good 390 00:18:13,144 --> 00:18:15,584 Speaker 1: example of this is what happened to Olivia Rodrigo, my 391 00:18:15,624 --> 00:18:20,104 Speaker 1: dear friend Olivia back in twenty twenty one, who, yes, 392 00:18:20,424 --> 00:18:23,064 Speaker 1: what a hot bed of drama that was. So she 393 00:18:23,264 --> 00:18:25,264 Speaker 1: faced a lot of backlash a couple of years ago 394 00:18:25,384 --> 00:18:28,584 Speaker 1: when her first album Sour came out because people were 395 00:18:28,624 --> 00:18:32,144 Speaker 1: comparing songs on it to other works by Taylor Swift 396 00:18:32,184 --> 00:18:35,904 Speaker 1: and Paramore. So the song Deja Vu was compared to 397 00:18:35,944 --> 00:18:39,144 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's song Cruel Summer, and then I think was 398 00:18:39,184 --> 00:18:42,304 Speaker 1: her second number one single, good view, what an absolute banger, 399 00:18:42,864 --> 00:18:47,624 Speaker 1: was accused of copywriting, misery business by Paramore. And so 400 00:18:47,824 --> 00:18:50,104 Speaker 1: what happened after a lot of back and forth there 401 00:18:50,224 --> 00:18:54,864 Speaker 1: is that Olivia Rodrigo gave Taylor Swift a collaborator credit 402 00:18:54,904 --> 00:18:57,104 Speaker 1: on Deja Vu, but she also had to give that 403 00:18:57,144 --> 00:19:00,464 Speaker 1: same collaborator credit to the other Cruel Summer collaborators, which 404 00:19:00,464 --> 00:19:04,864 Speaker 1: is Jack Antonov and Saint Vincent, which means that all 405 00:19:04,904 --> 00:19:06,704 Speaker 1: of their names are on it. So they get I 406 00:19:06,704 --> 00:19:09,584 Speaker 1: think over like fifty percent of the Royal tea, which 407 00:19:09,664 --> 00:19:12,744 Speaker 1: comes out to millions and millions of dollars. A few 408 00:19:12,744 --> 00:19:15,864 Speaker 1: months later, it was announced that Olivia Rodrigo had also 409 00:19:15,904 --> 00:19:19,424 Speaker 1: given songwriting credits to Hailey Williams and josh Farrow of 410 00:19:19,624 --> 00:19:23,224 Speaker 1: Paramore on Good for You, after her team had been 411 00:19:23,264 --> 00:19:25,224 Speaker 1: approached about the song, even if they. 412 00:19:25,024 --> 00:19:27,944 Speaker 2: Didn't write it at all, just because it sounds because 413 00:19:27,944 --> 00:19:28,704 Speaker 2: it's so similar. 414 00:19:28,744 --> 00:19:30,504 Speaker 1: There were so many similarities in terms of like the 415 00:19:30,624 --> 00:19:32,984 Speaker 1: music and the harmonies and even some of the lyrics, 416 00:19:32,984 --> 00:19:35,384 Speaker 1: and you know, there's a whole kind of investigation around it. 417 00:19:35,744 --> 00:19:38,304 Speaker 1: So now when there's any royalties that come in for 418 00:19:38,384 --> 00:19:42,344 Speaker 1: Good for You, for example, Olivia Rodrigo has to split 419 00:19:42,864 --> 00:19:46,304 Speaker 1: like over fifty percent of that with the other collaborators. 420 00:19:46,344 --> 00:19:48,744 Speaker 1: So for that song, it's estimated that Haley and Joshua 421 00:19:48,744 --> 00:19:51,944 Speaker 1: from Paramore get around like one point two million of 422 00:19:51,984 --> 00:19:55,104 Speaker 1: those royalties, So there's quite a lot of money at stake, 423 00:19:55,144 --> 00:19:57,704 Speaker 1: and the same for Deja Vot's been reported that Taylor Swift, 424 00:19:57,784 --> 00:20:00,984 Speaker 1: Jack Antonov, and Saint Vincent all share a fifty percent 425 00:20:01,144 --> 00:20:03,984 Speaker 1: stake and then Olivia and her other collaborator have to 426 00:20:04,024 --> 00:20:06,864 Speaker 1: split the rest. So she's only getting twenty five percent 427 00:20:07,504 --> 00:20:09,464 Speaker 1: of the song that she's sanging she. 428 00:20:09,464 --> 00:20:12,984 Speaker 2: Wrote, So so the writers of if I was your man, 429 00:20:13,424 --> 00:20:16,264 Speaker 2: would if like this kind of blew up, would Miley 430 00:20:16,384 --> 00:20:17,904 Speaker 2: have to credit them on her song? 431 00:20:18,384 --> 00:20:20,904 Speaker 1: Potentially? Yes. I mean, obviously every lawsuit works out. And 432 00:20:20,944 --> 00:20:22,024 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this about me, but 433 00:20:22,064 --> 00:20:24,024 Speaker 1: I'm not a musical not a music lawyer. 434 00:20:24,064 --> 00:20:26,584 Speaker 2: The Taylor Swift thing did manifest in weird ways though, 435 00:20:26,584 --> 00:20:29,624 Speaker 2: because I remember, like Olivia also was like her opening 436 00:20:29,664 --> 00:20:32,584 Speaker 2: act for a really long time, and then she got 437 00:20:32,624 --> 00:20:35,864 Speaker 2: swapped out with Sabrina Carpenter and then obviously Olivia and 438 00:20:35,864 --> 00:20:39,104 Speaker 2: Sabrina Carpenter had that love triangle going on. But then 439 00:20:39,144 --> 00:20:41,424 Speaker 2: we saw Taylor Swift give her a standing ovation at 440 00:20:41,464 --> 00:20:42,224 Speaker 2: the Grammy, So. 441 00:20:42,384 --> 00:20:44,424 Speaker 1: Like, this is fine now and she's and Olivia has 442 00:20:44,464 --> 00:20:46,624 Speaker 1: denied any beef with Taylor Swift, but obviously you're not 443 00:20:46,624 --> 00:20:49,424 Speaker 1: gonna say that out loud, and look, it might also 444 00:20:49,504 --> 00:20:51,224 Speaker 1: be fine behind the scenes. The other thing is too 445 00:20:51,264 --> 00:20:52,584 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people want to say, 446 00:20:52,584 --> 00:20:55,584 Speaker 1: like it's Bruno and Miley against each other, and it's 447 00:20:55,624 --> 00:20:57,984 Speaker 1: Taylor and Olivia against each other, but actually what it 448 00:20:58,104 --> 00:21:01,344 Speaker 1: is is the companies who are in you know exactly. Obviously, 449 00:21:01,344 --> 00:21:05,584 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift own is like rerecording her home. No, no, Emily, 450 00:21:05,664 --> 00:21:07,584 Speaker 1: don't start rumors. But a lot of it comes down 451 00:21:07,624 --> 00:21:09,304 Speaker 1: to the club readers and who owns the music and 452 00:21:09,344 --> 00:21:11,504 Speaker 1: all that sort of things. But yeah, it can have 453 00:21:11,704 --> 00:21:13,984 Speaker 1: like a huge role on effect. If Miley Cyrus was 454 00:21:14,024 --> 00:21:17,024 Speaker 1: found to plagiarize the song, then yeah, they could get 455 00:21:17,024 --> 00:21:19,304 Speaker 1: a collaborator credit on it, and they could and so 456 00:21:19,384 --> 00:21:21,264 Speaker 1: forevermore she has to say, like, that song is in 457 00:21:21,304 --> 00:21:23,864 Speaker 1: collaboration with these people that she could say I've never 458 00:21:23,904 --> 00:21:26,024 Speaker 1: even met. And at the same time she would have 459 00:21:26,104 --> 00:21:27,944 Speaker 1: to like, there's potential that she would have to give 460 00:21:27,984 --> 00:21:30,864 Speaker 1: them a large amount of royalties from playing the music, 461 00:21:30,944 --> 00:21:33,424 Speaker 1: which then cuts into the money that she's making. So 462 00:21:33,464 --> 00:21:35,424 Speaker 1: it's very I can see why she's trying to get 463 00:21:35,424 --> 00:21:37,184 Speaker 1: it dismissed. It could be a very kind of messy 464 00:21:37,224 --> 00:21:38,144 Speaker 1: situation to be in. 465 00:21:38,544 --> 00:21:40,784 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 466 00:21:41,064 --> 00:21:43,704 Speaker 2: If you've missed any of our episodes, wow, have we 467 00:21:43,824 --> 00:21:46,584 Speaker 2: got a good one for you, because on Friday we 468 00:21:46,744 --> 00:21:52,544 Speaker 2: did a brutally honest review on Gladiator two, not the original, 469 00:21:52,744 --> 00:21:57,544 Speaker 2: the second one. However, Russell Crowe did make a fair. 470 00:21:57,464 --> 00:22:01,224 Speaker 1: Good appearance in our review, even though he wasn't in 471 00:22:01,264 --> 00:22:03,384 Speaker 1: the film. Can I just say a little caviat what 472 00:22:03,424 --> 00:22:06,344 Speaker 1: you're about to say? Okay, I'm really quite worried about this. 473 00:22:06,424 --> 00:22:06,744 Speaker 2: Okay. 474 00:22:06,944 --> 00:22:09,584 Speaker 1: When we're recording this podcast, I just think it's you 475 00:22:09,624 --> 00:22:12,064 Speaker 1: and I in the room, and sometimes I say things 476 00:22:12,104 --> 00:22:14,624 Speaker 1: and I share stories about celebrities that I maybe shouldn't 477 00:22:14,624 --> 00:22:16,664 Speaker 1: share it. I say things I shouldn't say, and then 478 00:22:16,704 --> 00:22:18,624 Speaker 1: they go out into the world and then they get 479 00:22:18,624 --> 00:22:22,264 Speaker 1: made into a social video. And I'm actually quite scared 480 00:22:22,344 --> 00:22:24,144 Speaker 1: of the wrath of Russell Crowe because I think he's 481 00:22:24,144 --> 00:22:25,304 Speaker 1: gonna hunt me down and. 482 00:22:25,224 --> 00:22:28,184 Speaker 2: I will have my venues in this life for the 483 00:22:28,264 --> 00:22:30,464 Speaker 2: next and you know what, that will be a great 484 00:22:30,504 --> 00:22:32,584 Speaker 2: episode in the future. If you don't know what elb 485 00:22:32,784 --> 00:22:34,984 Speaker 2: is talking about, you have to listen to the episode. 486 00:22:35,024 --> 00:22:36,424 Speaker 2: We will link it in our show notes. 487 00:22:36,824 --> 00:22:37,984 Speaker 1: It's so much fun. 488 00:22:38,064 --> 00:22:40,424 Speaker 2: It's really funny. We had such a. 489 00:22:40,384 --> 00:22:41,624 Speaker 1: Great made some enemies. 490 00:22:41,824 --> 00:22:43,784 Speaker 2: We made some enemies. We had such a great time 491 00:22:43,824 --> 00:22:46,184 Speaker 2: reviewing it. So if you want to see that video 492 00:22:46,264 --> 00:22:49,504 Speaker 2: that Elbe's talking about, check our Spill Instagram at the 493 00:22:49,504 --> 00:22:50,344 Speaker 2: Spill Podcast. 494 00:22:50,424 --> 00:22:53,544 Speaker 1: It is so funny. I no one send it to 495 00:22:53,624 --> 00:22:56,784 Speaker 1: Russell Crowe. Just be cool, guys. Keep it between us, keep. 496 00:22:56,664 --> 00:22:59,184 Speaker 2: It between us, but also listen to the episode. Give 497 00:22:59,264 --> 00:23:01,584 Speaker 2: us a five star rain review, because you know what 498 00:23:01,744 --> 00:23:04,144 Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, You're gonna laugh your ass off. 499 00:23:04,304 --> 00:23:06,064 Speaker 2: It is that funny. I think, the funniest one we've 500 00:23:06,064 --> 00:23:08,904 Speaker 2: ever done. The Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish with 501 00:23:08,984 --> 00:23:11,584 Speaker 2: audio production by Scott Strock and we will be back 502 00:23:11,584 --> 00:23:13,184 Speaker 2: in your feet at three pm tomorrow. 503 00:23:13,304 --> 00:23:23,184 Speaker 1: Bye bye, Lohm.