Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by Seek. The great
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Speaker 1: better time to take the next step in your path.
Speaker 1: Day a little content morning. For this episode, our discussion
Speaker 1: does include mentions of addiction and sexual assault, So please
Speaker 1: take care of yourself and if you need to, don't
Speaker 1: be afraid to reach out and ask for help.
Speaker 2: They've been socialized to believe that steady and stable equal
Speaker 2: safe and loved. The success wound is the pain that
Speaker 2: comes when we believe that our success equals our self
Speaker 2: worth and conscious success is how I define success, which
Speaker 2: means it's about how frequently I feel and flow and
Speaker 2: how often I'm actually listening to the directions and the
Speaker 2: goals and the visions set to me by my true self.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the C's the Ya Podcast. Busy and happy
Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and
Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore
Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day
Speaker 1: will bear all the facets of Seizing your Yeay. I'm
Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned unentrepreneur
Speaker 1: who swapped the suits and heels to co found matcha
Speaker 1: Maiden and matcha Milk Bark. Ces Ya is a series
Speaker 1: of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring
Speaker 1: the self doubt, challenge, joy, and fulfillment along the way.
Speaker 1: Our third guest for the mini series is someone I
Speaker 1: hadn't met before the show, but who I'm incredibly grateful
Speaker 1: to have connected with. I think you'll hear pretty quickly
Speaker 1: in the episode how much her unique way of articulating
Speaker 1: human behaviors around challenge and change blew me away And
Speaker 1: I can absolutely see why she is so good and
Speaker 1: unlocking the greatest potential and power in others. Brook Taylor
Speaker 1: is a highly sought after career coach, helping over three
Speaker 1: thousand women globally to heal what she calls their success
Speaker 1: wound and find their greater purpose. So we are very
Speaker 1: lucky to have her here giving you basically a one
Speaker 1: on one session in your ears. She also brings to
Speaker 1: her work the depth of her own personal entrepreneurial experience.
Speaker 1: In her first career at Google, where she had a
Speaker 1: hugely successful career, even winning the Google Global Sales Award.
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to have a Google employee on the show,
Speaker 1: but now she's come the full circle, including Google as
Speaker 1: one of her business's clients, along with the likes of Uber, Amazon, McKinsey,
Speaker 1: and other massive industry leaders. For anyone interested in Brooks coaching,
Speaker 1: which I feel like will be everybody at the end
Speaker 1: of this episode, I've popped links in the show notes
Speaker 1: to how you can get in touch with her for
Speaker 1: an introduction, and especially for anyone who needs to get
Speaker 1: unstuck in their careers. Brook has so generously created a
Speaker 1: free worksheet which is also linked in the show notes.
Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy learning from Brook as much
Speaker 1: as I did. Brook. Welcome to CZA.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Sarah. I'm thrilled to be here.
Speaker 1: It is such a joy to have you here from
Speaker 1: beautiful La. I love that the Internet allows us to
Speaker 1: have these conversations across time zones so great.
Speaker 2: It's really wonderful here. I was living in Sydney for
Speaker 2: three years, which is how I came familiar with your work.
Speaker 2: But I have to say it's lovely to be home.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well, I can't wait to get into
Speaker 1: your journey. I think one of the most exciting things
Speaker 1: about this show to me is going through the pathway
Speaker 1: or the path yay as I like to call it,
Speaker 1: because I think we start our lives with such a
Speaker 1: linear view of life and also thinking that we really
Speaker 1: have to make like a forever decision and stick with that.
Speaker 1: But obviously that's not how the best pathways unravel. So
Speaker 1: can you take us back to the very beginning and
Speaker 1: talk us through your younger self? Who did you first
Speaker 1: seek to become? What were your first ideas of jobs
Speaker 1: and pathways and what you wanted to be sort of
Speaker 1: when you grew up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a very precocious young person. My first
Speaker 2: career path that I thought I wanted was to be
Speaker 2: an actress. Impact. When I was five, I asked Santa
Speaker 2: for an agent because my parents wouldn't take me to Hollywood. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I was like, this is my this is my
Speaker 2: kind of back doorway into Hollywood. A ast Santa for
Speaker 2: an agent, I'll get representation and then I'll be the
Speaker 2: next Lindsay Lohan. Of course, of course, my parents informed
Speaker 2: for me that Santa doesn't give people as presents, so
Speaker 2: I had to change it to in sync tickets, which
Speaker 2: was a fine second option.
Speaker 1: But compromise. I call that compromise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But when I look back on that younger self,
Speaker 2: really I saw a desire to be significant and be
Speaker 2: seen and heard. And I think even at that young age,
Speaker 2: I didn't really, you know, feel very seen or heard,
Speaker 2: and that really kind of planted the seed for some
Speaker 2: later pivots and self development work that I would have
Speaker 2: to do, because growing up in Silicon Valley, the culture
Speaker 2: around me was if you can dream it, you can
Speaker 2: build it, and you can get really mega rich and
Speaker 2: famous if you work really really hard. And so that
Speaker 2: desire to be significant and to be seen and to
Speaker 2: be on this kind of world stage was kind of
Speaker 2: all around me, and that's what I thought success was
Speaker 2: from a young age.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's so fascinating that you said that, because I
Speaker 1: think so many of our decisions earlier on in life
Speaker 1: are informed by what we think success is as we
Speaker 1: grow up, not necessarily any other metrics for life. There's
Speaker 1: nothing about fulfillment or growth or you know, even joy.
Speaker 1: It's all success driven and what that looks like for you,
Speaker 1: And it's so cool to be able to chat to
Speaker 1: someone because you know a lot of our guests are
Speaker 1: you know, Australian or grew up in Australia and so
Speaker 1: you know, and their ultimate goal is to get to
Speaker 1: the Silicon Valley, or to get to Hollywood, or to
Speaker 1: get to la whereas you grew up around that. So
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how much the world stage was all
Speaker 1: playing on your mind from those very early years. So
Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating that you, like many people, didn't
Speaker 1: end up doing what you first thought you would do,
Speaker 1: or you know, did start out one way and then
Speaker 1: kind of it isn't what you ended up doing now
Speaker 1: and now you help, you know, your career is helping
Speaker 1: other people forge their own pathways in the mess and
Speaker 1: noise of today. So can you give us a rundown
Speaker 1: of some of the sort of big pivots that did
Speaker 1: lead you to finding your place where you are now?
Speaker 1: Because I know it wasn't a straight line.
Speaker 2: Not a straight line at all. In fact, a lot
Speaker 2: of highs and a lot of lows. So I think
Speaker 2: the first time that I brought home a straight a
Speaker 2: report card, I had never seen my dad more proud
Speaker 2: of me. He picked me up and twirled me around.
Speaker 2: And in my eleven year old brain, in that moment,
Speaker 2: I learned that success and achievement equals love and belonging,
Speaker 2: and so that created within me a belief that my
Speaker 2: worthiness of love and belonging is contingent upon what I produce,
Speaker 2: what I achieve, and what I do, rather the inherent
Speaker 2: worth of who I am. And most parents are thrilled
Speaker 2: and pleased when their children achieve. I think that's very normal,
Speaker 2: and yet in my childhood brain, I equated that achievement
Speaker 2: with feeling safe, and so that actually created in me
Speaker 2: with something that I call the success wound. And the
Speaker 2: success wound is the pain that comes when we believe
Speaker 2: that our success equals our self worth. Right, It's that
Speaker 2: splintering of our self. It's that, you know, our true
Speaker 2: self gets obscured by the social self that needs to
Speaker 2: produce and achieve at all costs, and the splintering of
Speaker 2: those two selves is kind of what happened in that
Speaker 2: moment at age.
Speaker 1: Eleven for me.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, can you relate to that at all?
Speaker 1: I mean, you can say, my face. The success wound
Speaker 1: as a concept is that You've just articulated in such
Speaker 1: an eloquent way everything that I talk about on this
Speaker 1: show that happened to me that seems to be reflected
Speaker 1: in some form or another in almost everyone's pathway to
Speaker 1: finding who they really are. It does almost always involve
Speaker 1: that kind of going down the pathway where success is
Speaker 1: the be all and end all, and no matter what
Speaker 1: that looks like for you, but it's usually not the
Speaker 1: concept of success that you end up with later on
Speaker 1: in life. But that's splintering of your soul, Like it
Speaker 1: just resonates so strongly because I think, I mean, as
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I was a corporate lawyer. The
Speaker 1: entirety of my purpose in life was to be successful,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have an identity outside that at all.
Speaker 1: So it was impossible for me to like find any
Speaker 1: other metrics for life because it was so deeply ingrained
Speaker 1: in who I was. But to have that realization at eleven,
Speaker 1: I mean you were well ahead of your time.
Speaker 2: Well, I will say that this has all just come
Speaker 2: into picture, I'd say, at age twenty nine, looking back
Speaker 2: and helping really high achieving women who have this success
Speaker 2: when we all have it. And so you know, from
Speaker 2: that point at age eleven, this success wan really ran
Speaker 2: my life and it made me really really sick, But
Speaker 2: it also took me to really incredible places. This gold
Speaker 2: star chasing mentality led me to an excellent school. I
Speaker 2: got a tremendous education. It led me to my first
Speaker 2: job at Google, which was a fantastic role. And eventually
Speaker 2: it led me to like really climbing the ladder, becoming
Speaker 2: a really young manager. But at the same time, this
Speaker 2: manic ambition, this need to succeed and achieve at all
Speaker 2: costs again made me really sick. In fact, I had
Speaker 2: to anesthetize the pain of that splintering of that wound
Speaker 2: with drugs and alcohol, and I hit out an addiction
Speaker 2: from age eighteen to twenty four, you know, and it
Speaker 2: would look like this. I would be climbing the corporate ladder,
Speaker 2: working really hard, working in some instances seven days a week,
Speaker 2: then going out on Saturday and Sunday to relieve the pressure,
Speaker 2: waking up in that kind of guilt and demoralization and
Speaker 2: that shame over only to just kind of do it
Speaker 2: again the next week. And it became this cycle, and
Speaker 2: you know, eventually it really brought me to my knees
Speaker 2: because ultimately it actually caused me to not even report
Speaker 2: a sexual harassment that happened to me at Google because
Speaker 2: I didn't want to rock the boat. I didn't want
Speaker 2: my chances of promotion, which I was up for at
Speaker 2: the time, to be jeopardized by what I then thought
Speaker 2: was my fault. This was before the Me Too movement,
Speaker 2: So you know my success wound really because it is
Speaker 2: really kind of this the spiritual malady of self, right
Speaker 2: like this need to anesthetize the pain of not feeling
Speaker 2: good enough, that is addiction, and so I was addicted
Speaker 2: to external validation, to success, to alcohol, and eventually again
Speaker 2: it brought me to my knees and I did get
Speaker 2: sober at twenty four, So that was actually my first
Speaker 2: choice to heal this wound, this and allow my healthy self,
Speaker 2: my true self, to start leading. And it was only
Speaker 2: when I got sobered that I could actually hear what
Speaker 2: that true self wanted and needed, and I needed to
Speaker 2: take a sabbatical. I needed to step away. I needed
Speaker 2: to actually get out of that kind of office environment
Speaker 2: for a bit and listen to my true self. Basically,
Speaker 2: have my survivor self or my social self step aside
Speaker 2: for a second and ask myself these deep questions like
Speaker 2: who are you really, what kind of contribution do you
Speaker 2: want to make in the world, what type of values
Speaker 2: do you have, and how can you live in alignment
Speaker 2: with them? And I realized that the antidote to my
Speaker 2: success wound is actually something that I'm now calling conscious success,
Speaker 2: and conscious success is how I define success, which means
Speaker 2: it's about how frequently and I feel and flow and
Speaker 2: how often I'm actually listening to the directions and the
Speaker 2: goals and the set to me by my true self,
Speaker 2: not my social self. Because my successmen will tell me,
Speaker 2: even in my life as an entrepreneur, even in my
Speaker 2: career helping other people heal their success wounds, I can
Speaker 2: still make it about revenue, about how many people I'm impacting,
Speaker 2: about volume, about you know. And it's fine to have goals,
Speaker 2: but I want those to be set for my true
Speaker 2: self and not from a space of unworthiness and trying
Speaker 2: to fill that void. So you know. Again, after getting sober,
Speaker 2: I re entered the corporate world. I was still at Google.
Speaker 2: I came back from my sabbatical, and I started just
Speaker 2: kind of following the breadcrumbs of what my true and
Speaker 2: healthy self wanted, And what I realized is that I
Speaker 2: wanted to bring the principles of my recovery from drug
Speaker 2: and alcohol addiction into the corporate world and help other
Speaker 2: conscious corporate women like myself, women who are more spiritual,
Speaker 2: more interested in personal development and self development, to really
Speaker 2: transform their relationship with success, because I believe very deeply
Speaker 2: that women aren't just the biggest untapped resource, but it's
Speaker 2: tuned in turned on aligned women in their power, in
Speaker 2: their conscious success, that are the biggest untapped resource. So
Speaker 2: that has become my mission and my aligned ambition and
Speaker 2: my conscious success. And it all kind of started from
Speaker 2: that age eleven moment to getting sober and to kind
Speaker 2: of taking that sabbatical and slowly following the breadcrumbs to today.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, welcome everyone to Brooks Ted talk on
Speaker 1: the Life. I have been so excited to have you
Speaker 1: on the show because of that, Because if you walked
Speaker 1: into your life at the chapter you're in now, where
Speaker 1: you are so enlightened and you do have beautiful articulate
Speaker 1: ways to express, you know, the success wound and then
Speaker 1: conscious success, that it would be so easy to think
Speaker 1: that you were always on track that you always had
Speaker 1: direction and you always knew what you wanted to do.
Speaker 1: And I think it's so reassuring to go through and
Speaker 1: see not only did you start sort of in many
Speaker 1: people's stream, job like working at Google is kind of
Speaker 1: the you know, objective dream. It's like this ultimate like
Speaker 1: you know, we'd all kill to be there, but to
Speaker 1: hear that it also costs you so much, but then
Speaker 1: you can also get yourself out of the lowest lows
Speaker 1: at the same time to build back up. Like it's
Speaker 1: just there are so many ways that I think the
Speaker 1: dots don't connect at the time, but you can bring
Speaker 1: them back together if you're willing to do the work.
Speaker 1: There's just so much in your story that it just
Speaker 1: gets me so excited to talk about because I think,
Speaker 1: you know, in the context of what we're talking about today.
Speaker 1: I don't know about the statistics in America, but sixty
Speaker 1: one percent of Australians don't want to change jobs in
Speaker 1: the next twelve months or don't want to change, you know,
Speaker 1: do any big life changes. But I think you're such
Speaker 1: an example, and particularly as a coach, you must see
Speaker 1: it all the time. This aversion to change, this version
Speaker 1: to stepping like even a sabbatical is kind of unheard of,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to take a break from my
Speaker 1: pathway up the ladder. But obviously the growth it has
Speaker 1: allowed you by being willing to change yourself and to
Speaker 1: change fundamentally everything about your values for life has opened
Speaker 1: up this whole new chapter of your life free from
Speaker 1: addiction and lack of self worth. So what do you
Speaker 1: see now as a coach as the biggest barriers that
Speaker 1: people face to change? Weaving in what you found the
Speaker 1: biggest barriers at the time, but also how you push
Speaker 1: through them, how you push through to just be like,
Speaker 1: this is not my story anymore. I don't have to
Speaker 1: sit in what everyone else thinks is successful because it
Speaker 1: costs me this much. I can still do it. I
Speaker 1: can go back to the same company even but be
Speaker 1: a different person.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm totally. As I reflect on that question, I
Speaker 2: think there are two types of barriers. The first is
Speaker 2: the internal barriers and the second are the external barriers.
Speaker 2: The internal barriers really kind of large, is this success wound,
Speaker 2: Because what the success wound does is it clouds our
Speaker 2: true self from being able to speak. Our true self
Speaker 2: is where our passion lives, our purpose, our yay, our
Speaker 2: innate sense of direction. Even Joseph Campbell, who wrote on
Speaker 2: the Power of myth, he said, after all of his research,
Speaker 2: he said that there exists within each individual a natural
Speaker 2: and innate internal track. And when we all kind of
Speaker 2: discover what that internal track is, you'll realize that not
Speaker 2: only was it there all along, but it leads you
Speaker 2: into the career and into the bliss that is available
Speaker 2: to all of us. So, really, the success wound is
Speaker 2: where fear lives. It's where comparison lives. It's where the
Speaker 2: belief of you know, if I relax a little bit,
Speaker 2: I might lose my edge, or it might take a
Speaker 2: catalytic event for me to be jolted into finally making
Speaker 2: a change. It's where almost that analysis paralysis of okay,
Speaker 2: are you my purpose? Are you? My purpose? Is this?
Speaker 2: My path? Is this my path? And in action begets
Speaker 2: it almost erodes our self esteem. So what I see
Speaker 2: is that women and men as well, who might even
Speaker 2: be in their a quote dream job or their fine job,
Speaker 2: they still have a hard time having right relationship with
Speaker 2: work and success. That notion of def I relax a
Speaker 2: little bit, I'll lose my edge, right or the people
Speaker 2: who are hesitant to change jobs, it really is because
Speaker 2: their social self. They've been socialized to believe that steady
Speaker 2: and stable equal safe and loved. Right, And we are
Speaker 2: not going to make any decisions that threaten our sense
Speaker 2: of safety, security and feeling loved. And so if our
Speaker 2: sense of being loved is through external validation, well then
Speaker 2: I'm not going to risk that. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: go on a limb and fear being embarrassed or looking
Speaker 2: stupid or failing. I mean, you've had so many entrepreneurial endeavors,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure there was a fear there around failing
Speaker 2: and looking stupid and what that would mean for your identity. Right,
Speaker 2: It's not just you know, the event itself, It's about
Speaker 2: what does this mean about who I am? And so
Speaker 2: you know, really the first step in breaking that internal
Speaker 2: barrier of that success wound is diagnosing what is the
Speaker 2: size and shape of my success wound? Like I would
Speaker 2: if I was going to the doctor and I had
Speaker 2: like this gaping hole, I'd be like, okay, it's this
Speaker 2: mania just long. It's you know, it was caused by
Speaker 2: a laceration of this I want you to look at
Speaker 2: the causes and conditions of like, what did success look
Speaker 2: like to me growing up? What subconscious ideal am I
Speaker 2: comparing myself to about what a good podcast host looks
Speaker 2: like or a good employee looks like, or a good
Speaker 2: woman looks like. So looking at that and deciding Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, do I want that to be my story today?
Speaker 2: That would be the first step, and then very quickly
Speaker 2: the second kind of category would be the external barriers,
Speaker 2: the very real barriers that do exist around bias, around
Speaker 2: liability bias, especially for women, attribution performance attribution bias, and
Speaker 2: maybe even socioeconomic preventions that things instances are barriers that
Speaker 2: prevent people from actually seeking other opportunities. But I really
Speaker 2: do believe that it's the success WOMD that is really
Speaker 2: the primary barrier for people not seeking opportunities despite the
Speaker 2: very favorable job market that we're in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh. I feel like one of the
Speaker 1: things that makes a coach so impactful in my eyes anyway,
Speaker 1: is the ability to make really lofty, hard to grasp
Speaker 1: ideas into something really practical that allows you to take
Speaker 1: action about them. Like most people can acknowledge self doubt,
Speaker 1: most people can acknowledge need for certainty, but to actually
Speaker 1: give it a real life translation. Like the problem with
Speaker 1: all of these things is their intangible ideas, so it's
Speaker 1: really hard to know, Like, yes, we can all acknowledge them,
Speaker 1: but then how do I change my life based on
Speaker 1: these things? And the way you have just turned it
Speaker 1: into physically translated it into a wound is just like
Speaker 1: blowing my brain. It's so revolutionary the idea that we
Speaker 1: can measure like how deep is that wound and then
Speaker 1: work towards healing it. For people who have trouble translating
Speaker 1: ideas into action, as you said, in action begets like
Speaker 1: lack of self confidence seeing it as slowly healing a
Speaker 1: wound and not like you wouldn't expect, like a stab
Speaker 1: wound to heal overnight. You know, you're not going to
Speaker 1: find your joy and heal your misguided or skewed views
Speaker 1: of success in one day. But it's all the little
Speaker 1: steps that you take along the way that will allow
Speaker 1: it to heal. And that's just you know, someone just
Speaker 1: sometimes comes into your life and says something in a
Speaker 1: different way, the same thing but in a different way,
Speaker 1: and it just changes everything. That has given me such
Speaker 1: a new bective Thank you so much for that. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm like, so know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you, what do you think is
Speaker 2: your the size and shape of your success wound? Like
Speaker 2: what did success look like for you growing up?
Speaker 1: Ah, that is a great question, And I think now
Speaker 1: I can actually quantify it because you've given me the
Speaker 1: tool of this language. I think now it's I have
Speaker 1: a battle scar, like a massive battle scar that if
Speaker 1: I play with it too much, it opens up a
Speaker 1: little bit again. And if I really don't arrest the playing,
Speaker 1: like once I see it, it'll reopen altogether. It was
Speaker 1: really deep in my corporate career. It was like intellectual
Speaker 1: and academic and professional achievement were the markers that formed
Speaker 1: who I was. They were the only things I knew
Speaker 1: how to chase. That were really the only things I
Speaker 1: cared about, not even because of financial reward, just purely
Speaker 1: because productivity was my value for myself. My innate worth
Speaker 1: had always been doing and achieving and progress. And it
Speaker 1: was really deep to the point where there was nothing else.
Speaker 1: And you know what you were saying before, I mean
Speaker 1: the fact that you could experience something as intense as
Speaker 1: a sexual assault and still the wound would be blinding
Speaker 1: enough to make you think, no, no, I don't want
Speaker 1: to rock the boat. Mine didn't get that dire, but
Speaker 1: it did get to the complete exclusion of happiness and
Speaker 1: a whole side of the dominant side of my personality
Speaker 1: just dying slowly. And so I think for me, it
Speaker 1: did take a cataclysmic event to arrest that cycle. But
Speaker 1: I think maybe over now the last seven to eight years,
Speaker 1: I've been able to heal it slowly, slowly that it
Speaker 1: was gaping. Now it's probably mostly healed, but does get
Speaker 1: picked open every now and then easily as well.
Speaker 2: Same with me, same with me. And there are moments
Speaker 2: like I just moved to LA and intentionally kept my
Speaker 2: schedule a little bit lighter so that I could get
Speaker 2: acclimated and do some home improvement projects and paint my watch.
Speaker 1: Of green, my favorite green.
Speaker 2: I know you would like that, And you know, there
Speaker 2: was still this little voice in the back of my
Speaker 2: head that said, you're not doing enough, You're not making
Speaker 2: the most of this time. You should be having more meetings.
Speaker 2: Why aren't you booking more clients, Why aren't you doing more?
Speaker 2: And in those moments, now I have the tools and
Speaker 2: I have this thing that I call the success wound protocol,
Speaker 2: which is just a quick three step process that I
Speaker 2: do in my mind, and I say, okay, hold up,
Speaker 2: what ideal are you holding yourself to right now? What
Speaker 2: do you think a successful coach is supposed to look
Speaker 2: like based on what you're seeing on Instagram or LinkedIn
Speaker 2: or in the news. And so I say, okay, I'm
Speaker 2: holding myself to this false ideal. Step two is to
Speaker 2: remind myself that my success is dictated by how frequently
Speaker 2: I'm following the direction of my true self and internal
Speaker 2: guidance system and how truly embodied am I in my
Speaker 2: true self? Am I living my values? Am I treating
Speaker 2: other people with respect? Am I having fun? Am I
Speaker 2: enjoying this one precious life? And then step three is
Speaker 2: to do something that activates my true self, so deep breathing,
Speaker 2: calling a friend and asking them to reflect back to
Speaker 2: me one strength of mine, something like that, so that
Speaker 2: success when we protocol that one two three really activates
Speaker 2: me back into my conscious success and stops that burnout
Speaker 2: and stops me from picking my battle star.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like eternal scappicker. I'm working on it, but
Speaker 1: totally lovely neighborhood, you all know how excited I get
Speaker 1: about life unraveling in chapters, and how uncertainty is the
Speaker 1: greatest platform for opportunity. After a few tough years, the
Speaker 1: great job boom is upon us and there has never
Speaker 1: been a better time to start the next step in
Speaker 1: your path.
Speaker 2: Yay.
Speaker 1: We talk at length on the show about the obstacles
Speaker 1: to change, and the statistics are real. Forty five percent,
Speaker 1: nearly half of OSSI's are worried their skills and resume
Speaker 1: won't stuck up against other Aussies. Fifty nine percent are
Speaker 1: worried that if they changed jobs, it might not be
Speaker 1: the right role or company for them. But if you
Speaker 1: let your mind worry that there's a risk it won't
Speaker 1: work out, logic consists that you must also accept that
Speaker 1: it could also work out better than you had ever dreamed.
Speaker 1: Plus the numbers are on your side. In March, job
Speaker 1: ads on SEQ were up thirty two percent compared to
Speaker 1: the same time last year and fifty one percent compared
Speaker 1: to pre pandemic levels, but job applications per job ad
Speaker 1: are down forty two percent compared to pre pandemic levels.
Speaker 1: So there are more jobs but less competition than ever before.
Speaker 1: So if you're looking to change Pathia's head on over
Speaker 1: to seek and take advantage of the great job. Boom So,
Speaker 1: I mean, we are so incredibly lucky to have you
Speaker 1: here bringing the perspectives you have as a coach, But
Speaker 1: even just the fact that you have worked in somewhere
Speaker 1: like Google that is just such a mammoth. That is,
Speaker 1: you know, the dream on the outside, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: there were so many incredible positives as well. But from
Speaker 1: your unique perspective as a woman, you kind of touched
Speaker 1: a little bit before on how women face an additional
Speaker 1: layer of self doubt and worth and we have different
Speaker 1: pathways and priorities that come into our career with families.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a whole unique range of things that
Speaker 1: we go through as women in corporate context, particularly as
Speaker 1: big and as competitive as somewhere like Google. From your time,
Speaker 1: there is there anything you saw in the workplace that
Speaker 1: holds women back in particular, that might really stop women
Speaker 1: right now, we were talking about such a favorable job
Speaker 1: market that just we could be more aware of or
Speaker 1: maybe start to build a toolkit for now so that
Speaker 1: we don't miss the chance to take advantage of this job.
Speaker 2: Boom So, I do work primarily with conscious corporate women
Speaker 2: and female identifying individuals, both in a one to one context,
Speaker 2: and I also still do a lot of work within
Speaker 2: corporations helping corporations to heal their success wound and helping,
Speaker 2: you know, give voice to marginalized individuals. I've done a
Speaker 2: lot of diversity, equity and inclusion consulting as well and
Speaker 2: Western society, and I guess society in general's expectations of
Speaker 2: women are unrealistic and they're detrimental, and that is regardless
Speaker 2: of if you're the industry that you're in. And know,
Speaker 2: this Western ideal for what a successful woman looks like,
Speaker 2: what a successful mother looks like, is based on patriarchal
Speaker 2: systems that are actually intentionally designed to exclude women. And
Speaker 2: we know that because female representation is still not equal
Speaker 2: in all industries and in all positions of power. You know,
Speaker 2: when I was doing diversity, equity and inclusion consulting in Sydney,
Speaker 2: we realized that it was going to take another two
Speaker 2: hundred years to get to gender parity in the workplace
Speaker 2: and to annihilate the gender pay gap. So women have
Speaker 2: been conditioned to think of themselves as less than and
Speaker 2: undeserving or impostors as they strive to hit a standard
Speaker 2: that is truly impossible to meet. So, you know, this
Speaker 2: disproportionate mental load that working mothers carry, not to mention
Speaker 2: the physical load a new mother, it really creates this
Speaker 2: double bind for working mothers to live up to extremely
Speaker 2: high expectations at home and work. And you know, this
Speaker 2: is why I believe that women are actually uniquely qualified
Speaker 2: to heal their success wound and transform our culture's definition
Speaker 2: of what success looks like into a much more conscious
Speaker 2: version of success. Because imagine if our world and even
Speaker 2: our organizations and our corporations defined success not in terms
Speaker 2: of power or consumption, revenue, or wealth, but in terms
Speaker 2: of inclusion and self love and community and reverence for
Speaker 2: the earth. And this isn't just like an airy fairy idea.
Speaker 2: Corporations really are talking about, like what does a conscious
Speaker 2: culture look like like? I know that Cisco, for example,
Speaker 2: their cultural manifesto is about conscious culture and employees now
Speaker 2: and people who are seeking jobs are so in the
Speaker 2: position of power because top talent is at a premium
Speaker 2: that they are no longer allowing for shitty diversity numbers
Speaker 2: or shitty cultures or like general bullshit, like people will
Speaker 2: not take I saw the stack. People won't take jobs
Speaker 2: if diversity, equity and inclusion numbers aren't there. Millennials are
Speaker 2: over sixty percent of the workforce. We want meaning more
Speaker 2: than anything, gen Z, you bet your bottom dollar they're
Speaker 2: not going to work for a company that doesn't have
Speaker 2: a corporate social responsibility, you know, manifesto that they're actually following.
Speaker 2: So these younger generations that are coming up and are
Speaker 2: occupying places of power, like they are demanding that businesses change,
Speaker 2: in our organizations change. So women and everybody need to
Speaker 2: actually look at this success women in themselves and look
Speaker 2: at it in their organization and hold these companies to
Speaker 2: be better. And I think that you can have confidence
Speaker 2: now in the safety that exists in pursuing a job
Speaker 2: that is of highest standards and is aligned with your
Speaker 2: true self because there's always been that safety. That safety
Speaker 2: has always existed for you. But now more than ever,
Speaker 2: you're more in a position of power in a job market.
Speaker 2: And that's that's really esteam building.
Speaker 1: It's so exciting, like it's just you know, we're in
Speaker 1: this unique cultural phenomenon where jobs are up, like the
Speaker 1: amount of jobs advertised are up by I think it's
Speaker 1: like over thirty percent, but the amount of applicants is
Speaker 1: down by almost the same amount. So there's this enormous
Speaker 1: jump from both directions, allowing you to have more be
Speaker 1: more selective, be more discerning, but also just like have
Speaker 1: a go at something you've always thought about doing. You know,
Speaker 1: the quote that I really love coming out of the
Speaker 1: past couple of years is when nothing is certain, anything
Speaker 1: is possible. So yeah, uncertainty is incredibly scary and throws
Speaker 1: everything up in the air. But you can create your
Speaker 1: own certainty. You also have choice towards what you do
Speaker 1: with that uncertainty. But I think one thing I'd love
Speaker 1: to ask you, because you have the unique perspective of
Speaker 1: having grown up in America, come to Australia, seen our
Speaker 1: working landscape, consulted in it, and then gone back to America.
Speaker 1: Something I've heard spoken about a lot, particularly when we
Speaker 1: had Matchimade and we were working in the US a
Speaker 1: lot is that part of the Larican Australian culture and
Speaker 1: the tall poppy syndrome that's quite ripe in our not everywhere,
Speaker 1: not in all corners, but that is generally a cultural
Speaker 1: phenomenon here, I think tends to make us very self deprecating.
Speaker 1: It's something like Aussie's use self deprecation as a form
Speaker 1: of bonding. You know, you don't want to get too
Speaker 1: big for your boots or anything. It makes it very
Speaker 1: hard for us to pitch ourselves. It makes us really
Speaker 1: hard to put your best foot forward, even though logically
Speaker 1: that's what you should be doing. You know, it's almost
Speaker 1: like we wear self deprecation and humility as a badge.
Speaker 1: Whereas when I would go to America and would pitch things,
Speaker 1: or pitch myself or pitch our business and start with
Speaker 1: a self deprecation, people would pull you up and be like,
Speaker 1: don't say that, and I would find it so weird.
Speaker 1: I'm like, but it would be arrogant for me to
Speaker 1: say anything other than I'm so crap. But Americans culturally
Speaker 1: would be like, dude, you are not going to get
Speaker 1: ahead if you keep like hanging shit on yourself like
Speaker 1: that all the time. And it's such a small tweak
Speaker 1: in your mentality, but it really does make a difference.
Speaker 1: So how do you think we can learn to put
Speaker 1: our best foot forward and get around the awkwardness of
Speaker 1: pitching yourself To make sure we don't miss out of
Speaker 1: this job. Boot.
Speaker 2: I found this so fascinating and you're so right that
Speaker 2: when I was going into organizations and literally teaching women
Speaker 2: how to own their career and own their success and
Speaker 2: promote themselves, Tall Poppy would come up over and over
Speaker 2: and over again. And I'll hit this at a few
Speaker 2: different levels. I'll hit this at the cognitive level first,
Speaker 2: so things that you can shift in your mindset. I'm
Speaker 2: taking this from a program at Google called I Am Remarkable,
Speaker 2: And in this program they made the beautiful assertion that
Speaker 2: it's not bragging if it's fact based.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I mean, so straightforward, but amazing.
Speaker 2: If I'm telling you about the facts of what I've
Speaker 2: accomplished and done, that's not bragging. That's not probbab.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just stating facts.
Speaker 2: I'm stating facts. If I were to exaggerate that or
Speaker 2: you know, pump up my ego as a result, that's bragging.
Speaker 2: But not if I am grounded in the truth of
Speaker 2: my contribution and stating that with conviction and with fact.
Speaker 2: So that's the first twist that I would offer to you,
Speaker 2: is it's not bragging if it's fact based. The second
Speaker 2: element here, and I think this is probably true for
Speaker 2: many Australians is that when we were younger, we got
Speaker 2: pulled up for maybe talking about ourselves in you know,
Speaker 2: talking about our accomplishments, or had moments of being embarrassed
Speaker 2: or publicly shamed, or having those moments of trauma at
Speaker 2: school when people are like, oh you think you're so great?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like all of that, there's an injured part
Speaker 2: of you inside. And so my recommendation would be when
Speaker 2: you are going in to your manager to talk about
Speaker 2: your promotions in a fact based way and you're finding
Speaker 2: yourself feeling sheepish or getting a pit in your stomach,
Speaker 2: talk to that younger part of you that felt ashamed.
Speaker 2: Can you identify or remember an instance where you felt
Speaker 2: publicly embarrassed or shamed when you spoke about yourself in
Speaker 2: front of somebody and it didn't go well. Is there
Speaker 2: a part of you that doesn't want to feel seen.
Speaker 2: Is there a part of you that feels ashamed for something?
Speaker 2: And speak to that younger self like you would a
Speaker 2: young friend or a young cousin or a child, and
Speaker 2: just say like it's okay, it's safe, It is safe
Speaker 2: for me to go in and share my truth and
Speaker 2: my accomplishments with ease. And then the third level that
Speaker 2: I would offer to you is more of kind of
Speaker 2: a spiritual or an energetic level. But what our words matter,
Speaker 2: and the way that we define ourselves matters, and the
Speaker 2: way we use to talk about ourselves really does matter.
Speaker 2: And so there's this exercise that I do with some
Speaker 2: of my clients where I have them write down what
Speaker 2: are the words that you describe yourself when things are
Speaker 2: going well, and what are the words that you use
Speaker 2: to describe yourself when things aren't going well. Because identity
Speaker 2: is the most powerful force in human personality. And so
Speaker 2: even if on a subconscious level we're saying like I'm
Speaker 2: so shit, or like oh I should have you know,
Speaker 2: worn lipgloss today, or whatever it is, if we're self deprecating,
Speaker 2: that actually is coming from a small kernel of truth
Speaker 2: and kind of shamefaced identity. So you're going to want
Speaker 2: to watch that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that I was going to ask
Speaker 1: the next question about kind of how to bounce back
Speaker 1: from rejection also, which is an inevitable part of applying
Speaker 1: for new jobs that you won't get every single job
Speaker 1: that you apply for, and I think rejection creates that
Speaker 1: same wound of like, oh ow, but I feel like
Speaker 1: you've just answered the question really speaking to yourself about
Speaker 1: like what does that mean? Nothing really just means I
Speaker 1: wasn't suited or that wasn't the right thing for me. Like,
Speaker 1: there's so much internal dialogue you can do before even
Speaker 1: going to extern results as or friends to kind of
Speaker 1: get yourself through that feeling of oof ow yuck. Like
Speaker 1: no one loves rejection. It's not something we say out,
Speaker 1: but that is like sometimes the cost of getting the
Speaker 1: one that he's meant for you is getting knockbacks first
Speaker 1: from the ones that aren't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, rejection is the universe's protection, And I
Speaker 2: believe so so deeply, so deeply that just like there
Speaker 2: is a person or a soulmate for every individual, or
Speaker 2: there's a best friend that suited for every individual. If
Speaker 2: you are being called towards something else in your work,
Speaker 2: it's because that's something else is literally calling you too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there is a match for you out there, from a
Speaker 2: purpose standpoint, from a calling standpoint, from a job standpoint,
Speaker 2: Like Joseph Campbell says, within each of us, there's this
Speaker 2: internal track that exists where we can find that purpose
Speaker 2: and meaning. And it's about really aligning our God given
Speaker 2: ambition to something that is meaningful to us, to a
Speaker 2: career that is a steam building. And so if we
Speaker 2: see rejection as protection or as obstacles, as detours in
Speaker 2: the right direction, or as the fact that you know,
Speaker 2: it's just another test to raise our standards, because a
Speaker 2: lot of my clients actually like they don't have as
Speaker 2: hard time with rejection as they do getting a job
Speaker 2: offer that actually doesn't meet their standards or criteria and
Speaker 2: having to say no the bad thing, because that's the
Speaker 2: ultimate test.
Speaker 1: That's actually so interesting. When you're saying no to something,
Speaker 1: we don't consider what the alternative is is saying yes
Speaker 1: to it and then hating it, or yes to it
Speaker 1: and then being stuck in it. But if you actually
Speaker 1: think about it as like a fork in the road,
Speaker 1: like if it didn't say no to you, you could
Speaker 1: have gone down this other pathway, then suddenly it makes
Speaker 1: the rejection a lot easier because you realize, oh, that
Speaker 1: saved me from that pathway.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And I believe that we're going to
Speaker 2: get tests from the universe or from whatever to say
Speaker 2: is your self worth high, and especially in this job market.
Speaker 2: I've coached so many people, even my younger sister who's
Speaker 2: looking for her first job, to the fact that like,
Speaker 2: keep your standards high, ask your true self what it
Speaker 2: they need an order to thrive, And I would say,
Speaker 2: set five non negotiables, right, like what do you need
Speaker 2: in terms of culture, management, community impact? How do you
Speaker 2: want to feel every day? And go in with that
Speaker 2: criteria and do not accept anything less than that. And
Speaker 2: you do not have to in this job market. You
Speaker 2: never did have to. I truly believe that. But things
Speaker 2: are going to happen a lot faster in this job
Speaker 2: market and when you actually pursue that conviction, because it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily just about being rejected, but it is also
Speaker 2: about rejecting other opportunities in favor of the thing that's
Speaker 2: highest and best for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, it is the power risks with the applicant
Speaker 1: at the moment, and that's a very exciting time. One
Speaker 1: thing I'd love to ask just because it is so
Speaker 1: exciting to have someone who has seen both the inner
Speaker 1: workings as an employee of like a big corporation, but
Speaker 1: also consults to other corporations of all different sizes, but
Speaker 1: has also changed your life structure to working for yourself.
Speaker 1: I think something that I probably leaned too much towards
Speaker 1: in the beginning of CZA was the idea of being
Speaker 1: liberated from the corporate structure because that was my pathway,
Speaker 1: that was my ya, and that has been my way
Speaker 1: of realizing my best talents and passions and everything like that.
Speaker 1: Whereas over time I've also realized the emphasis not much
Speaker 1: more needs to be, but equally needs to be on
Speaker 1: the fact that the entrepreneurial pathway can be as creative
Speaker 1: and as diverse and exciting, and there are places where
Speaker 1: you can be entrepreneurial inside the kind of resources and
Speaker 1: power of a corporation and maybe even have more resources
Speaker 1: behind you to do the things that you want to do.
Speaker 1: You don't have to leave your job to get freedom,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: Having seen like on that intrepreneurial kind of story, I
Speaker 1: imagine that Google is one of the places of all
Speaker 1: places in the world where internal innovation is like prized
Speaker 1: and encouraged. What words do you have as a now
Speaker 1: entrepreneur having come from an entrepreneurial world on the intrapreneurial
Speaker 1: pathway as being another open, exciting pathway.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. I also, probably at
Speaker 2: the beginning leaned a little too far in to let
Speaker 2: me liberate people from the oppressive corporate structure without actually
Speaker 2: listening to people's wants and needs. And people want to
Speaker 2: stay in corporations, and we need again, we need conscious
Speaker 2: turned on, tuned in people who have healed their success
Speaker 2: wound in corporations to create the next products, to create
Speaker 2: inclusive services, to change the way that our corporations operate.
Speaker 2: So what I see in terms of people being really
Speaker 2: successful in that entrepreneurial way at these organizations is first
Speaker 2: and foremost healing your success wound and doing your personal
Speaker 2: development work. Because better human leads to better leadership leads
Speaker 2: to better performance. That kind of almost it forms a triangle, right,
Speaker 2: better human at the bottom and better performance at the top.
Speaker 2: I teach that in my group coaching programs at McKinsey
Speaker 2: and Google and Uber, and doing your personal development work,
Speaker 2: identifying your triggers, bolstering your self awareness, increasing that metacognition
Speaker 2: or that ability to observe oneself in action, and being
Speaker 2: able to change your behavior change your emotional response is
Speaker 2: going to be so critical in your entrepreneurial journey because
Speaker 2: people want to work with other good people, Like have
Speaker 2: you ever worked for a boss who wasn't self aware?
Speaker 2: And how much did that suck? Like when you like
Speaker 2: working with people who are like at minimum self aware
Speaker 2: and ideally who have beautiful emotion intelligence. So as a coach, like,
Speaker 2: I'm always preaching the inside out method of career development,
Speaker 2: and I always say it's not about promotion, It's about ascension,
Speaker 2: ascending to your higher self and living in alignment with that,
Speaker 2: because that's when the innovation comes through. Brene Brown always
Speaker 2: says that you can't have innovation without vulnerability, and in
Speaker 2: order to have that vulnerability, we need to be able
Speaker 2: to rest on our courage and our confidence.
Speaker 1: So we need to be able to cultivate that absolutely.
Speaker 1: And just a guilty pleasure question about the entrepreneurial life.
Speaker 1: What are the coolest things that you've seen at Google,
Speaker 1: at Uber inside these companies that like, I would never
Speaker 1: go back to old me because that just wasn't my path,
Speaker 1: But there are parts of the corporate life that I
Speaker 1: really miss and there are some really cool perks I
Speaker 1: can't imagine at Silicon Valley level, what those perks actually
Speaker 1: look like. What are some of the coolest things inside
Speaker 1: companies you've seen?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So at the Google Plex in Mountain View,
Speaker 2: which is like ten minutes from my house, they actually
Speaker 2: have a full service Indian restaurant at the campus. What
Speaker 2: story to God, like trolley's full of beautiful, delicious Indian
Speaker 2: food and they bring it over and you have to
Speaker 2: make a reservation at the restaurant. There's a very large,
Speaker 2: very active Indian community in Mountain View, and you just
Speaker 2: hear tamil and you know, it's a really beautiful kind
Speaker 2: of experience. So that was really cool. At Google, It's
Speaker 2: like a little known secret that was awesome. I really
Speaker 2: appreciated and loved some of the programs and opportunities for
Speaker 2: learning and development at these places, and that's what also
Speaker 2: keeps me employed today. They have incredible programs for you know,
Speaker 2: they have this awesome program for women called Stretch that
Speaker 2: encourages women to kind of stretch outside of their comfort zone.
Speaker 2: And when I took that at Google, it actually led
Speaker 2: to me launching a really innovative different product and project
Speaker 2: which actually helped me secure promotion well, they also have
Speaker 2: like mindfulness courses and that kind of thing, But I honestly,
Speaker 2: the Indian Restaurant stands out above the rocks.
Speaker 1: Like some people like indoor slides, playground icicles together aunccount
Speaker 1: with your like another food, absolutely food.
Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, in my times of active partying,
Speaker 2: I would rely on the nap pods. Maybe a bit
Speaker 2: too heavily, so those were cool, but you know, it
Speaker 2: was the Indian Restaurant for me.
Speaker 1: But you know what. The existence of those NAT pods also,
Speaker 1: I think emphasizes the idea that even within like one
Speaker 1: of the most successful companies in the world, with like
Speaker 1: the most successful minds being employed, there the idea that
Speaker 1: you need to sometimes go backwards to go forwards like
Speaker 1: sleep to not that that's going backwards, but that like
Speaker 1: you can't be productive unless you also take breaks. I
Speaker 1: love that there are nat pods because sometimes you just
Speaker 1: need some shut eye.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just need a twenty minute power nap and
Speaker 2: you can come back, you know, bigger than ever. That
Speaker 2: is so so true.
Speaker 3: You wanted like anytime, I mean, yeah, you had to
Speaker 3: get your work done, but I could go on for
Speaker 3: a twenty minute meeting you know, nap between meetings for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So when I was in Hong Kong,
Speaker 1: I was working there for a year with the law firm,
Speaker 1: and I was still kind of coming back from a
Speaker 1: joining fatigue. I was still really underweight after Africa, and
Speaker 1: I napped all the time. Like I didn't understand when
Speaker 1: I first got there, that why people would nap at
Speaker 1: their desks. By the end, like I was li I'd
Speaker 1: send Nick photos of like people napping and be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, who does that? And by the end
Speaker 1: he came over and I had like a pillow under
Speaker 1: my desk, but there were no pods right, Like I
Speaker 1: just had to make a bed on the floor. I'm like,
Speaker 1: we needed pods. Every workplace needs a nap pod. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine the productivity increase.
Speaker 2: I think it's a brilliant idea. I'm a big fan
Speaker 2: of the midday nap even today.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'm like, my bed's just there. It's not
Speaker 1: midday in Australia yet I could. I could totally smash
Speaker 1: one out to It would be remiss of me not
Speaker 1: to finish up with a non work related question too,
Speaker 1: because of course, cultivating your joy and playing outside of
Speaker 1: your productivity, I think is one of the most important
Speaker 1: things for a really fulfilling life. So how do you
Speaker 1: cultivate your identity outside of work And are there any
Speaker 1: kind of play activities that you do that don't have
Speaker 1: a productive outcome, that a layer to forget what time
Speaker 1: it is, and that are just for fun.
Speaker 2: I have some intentions having moved to LA that I
Speaker 2: want to do with this. I want to take improv classes,
Speaker 2: which I think would be so fun, so cool. Yes,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll get my big break, maybe I'll find maybe
Speaker 2: I'll become an actress.
Speaker 1: Who knows, we'll come back next episode and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: how's that Netflix special going?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, look out. I'd love to do that.
Speaker 2: I took hip hop lessons hip hop dance classes at
Speaker 2: in Sydney before the pandemic, and they were people were
Speaker 2: so good. People were so so good. It was like
Speaker 2: a beginner's dance class, but they're really experts and I'd
Speaker 2: love to bring that. It was really humbling. Learning to
Speaker 2: surf in Australia was super humbling too. I don't think
Speaker 2: I'll continue that one, but I will do improve and dance.
Speaker 1: I think amazing. The dance classes in La, like the
Speaker 1: studios over there are insane.
Speaker 2: I know, I don't think I can do it.
Speaker 1: Again, Absolutely, put your coaching hat on, Gal. You can
Speaker 1: do whatever you set your mind to.
Speaker 2: Growth mindset. I can't do it yet, very will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to heal that word. You're picking at
Speaker 1: your word. Stop it.
Speaker 2: You're totally right.
Speaker 1: My last question, what is your favorite quote?
Speaker 2: My favorite quote is honestly from my recovery, and that's
Speaker 2: one day at a time. I believe we can do
Speaker 2: incredible things one day at a time. And it's a
Speaker 2: motto that I live by. I don't have to do
Speaker 2: life all at once. I can just do it one
Speaker 2: day at a time. And that is just puts me
Speaker 2: into a state of my truth self just listening to that.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's one of my favorites. Thank you so much, Brooks.
Speaker 1: This was absolutely transformative. Like genuinely, I feel like I
Speaker 1: just had a one on one coaching session and then
Speaker 1: I also happened to be able to share it with
Speaker 1: other people. But this I just got so much out
Speaker 1: of there. So thank you so.
Speaker 2: Much, thank you, It's so fun. Thank you so much.