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Speaker 1: Day a little content morning. For this episode, our discussion

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Speaker 1: does include mentions of addiction and sexual assault, So please

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Speaker 1: take care of yourself and if you need to, don't

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Speaker 1: be afraid to reach out and ask for help.

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Speaker 2: They've been socialized to believe that steady and stable equal

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Speaker 2: safe and loved. The success wound is the pain that

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Speaker 2: comes when we believe that our success equals our self

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Speaker 2: worth and conscious success is how I define success, which

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Speaker 2: means it's about how frequently I feel and flow and

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Speaker 2: how often I'm actually listening to the directions and the

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the C's the Ya Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore

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Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day

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Speaker 1: will bear all the facets of Seizing your Yeay. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned unentrepreneur

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Speaker 1: who swapped the suits and heels to co found matcha

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Speaker 1: Maiden and matcha Milk Bark. Ces Ya is a series

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Speaker 1: of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring

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Speaker 1: the self doubt, challenge, joy, and fulfillment along the way.

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Speaker 1: Our third guest for the mini series is someone I

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Speaker 1: hadn't met before the show, but who I'm incredibly grateful

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Speaker 1: to have connected with. I think you'll hear pretty quickly

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Speaker 1: human behaviors around challenge and change blew me away And

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Speaker 1: I can absolutely see why she is so good and

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Speaker 1: unlocking the greatest potential and power in others. Brook Taylor

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Speaker 1: is a highly sought after career coach, helping over three

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Speaker 1: thousand women globally to heal what she calls their success

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Speaker 1: lucky to have her here giving you basically a one

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Speaker 1: In her first career at Google, where she had a

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Speaker 1: hugely successful career, even winning the Google Global Sales Award.

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Speaker 1: but now she's come the full circle, including Google as

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Speaker 1: one of her business's clients, along with the likes of Uber, Amazon, McKinsey,

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Speaker 1: and other massive industry leaders. For anyone interested in Brooks coaching,

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Speaker 1: which I feel like will be everybody at the end

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Speaker 1: of this episode, I've popped links in the show notes

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Speaker 1: an introduction, and especially for anyone who needs to get

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Speaker 1: unstuck in their careers. Brook has so generously created a

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Speaker 1: free worksheet which is also linked in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy learning from Brook as much

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Speaker 1: as I did. Brook. Welcome to CZA.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Sarah. I'm thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 1: It is such a joy to have you here from

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Speaker 2: It's really wonderful here. I was living in Sydney for

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well, I can't wait to get into

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Speaker 1: your journey. I think one of the most exciting things

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, welcome everyone to Brooks Ted talk on

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Speaker 2: guidance system and how truly embodied am I in my

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Speaker 2: true self? Am I living my values? Am I treating

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Speaker 2: other people with respect? Am I having fun? Am I

438
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Speaker 2: enjoying this one precious life? And then step three is

439
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 2: to do something that activates my true self, so deep breathing,

440
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 2: calling a friend and asking them to reflect back to

441
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: me one strength of mine, something like that, so that

442
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: success when we protocol that one two three really activates

443
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: me back into my conscious success and stops that burnout

444
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Speaker 2: and stops me from picking my battle star.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like eternal scappicker. I'm working on it, but

446
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: totally lovely neighborhood, you all know how excited I get

447
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: about life unraveling in chapters, and how uncertainty is the

448
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: greatest platform for opportunity. After a few tough years, the

449
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: great job boom is upon us and there has never

450
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: been a better time to start the next step in

451
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Speaker 1: your path.

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Speaker 2: Yay.

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Speaker 1: We talk at length on the show about the obstacles

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Speaker 1: to change, and the statistics are real. Forty five percent,

455
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: nearly half of OSSI's are worried their skills and resume

456
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: won't stuck up against other Aussies. Fifty nine percent are

457
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Speaker 1: worried that if they changed jobs, it might not be

458
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Speaker 1: the right role or company for them. But if you

459
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: let your mind worry that there's a risk it won't

460
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: work out, logic consists that you must also accept that

461
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: it could also work out better than you had ever dreamed.

462
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: Plus the numbers are on your side. In March, job

463
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: ads on SEQ were up thirty two percent compared to

464
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Speaker 1: the same time last year and fifty one percent compared

465
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Speaker 1: to pre pandemic levels, but job applications per job ad

466
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Speaker 1: are down forty two percent compared to pre pandemic levels.

467
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Speaker 1: So there are more jobs but less competition than ever before.

468
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Speaker 1: So if you're looking to change Pathia's head on over

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Speaker 1: to seek and take advantage of the great job. Boom So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we are so incredibly lucky to have you

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Speaker 1: here bringing the perspectives you have as a coach, But

472
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Speaker 1: even just the fact that you have worked in somewhere

473
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Speaker 1: like Google that is just such a mammoth. That is,

474
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Speaker 1: you know, the dream on the outside, and I'm sure

475
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: there were so many incredible positives as well. But from

476
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Speaker 1: your unique perspective as a woman, you kind of touched

477
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Speaker 1: a little bit before on how women face an additional

478
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Speaker 1: layer of self doubt and worth and we have different

479
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: pathways and priorities that come into our career with families.

480
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Speaker 1: You know, there's a whole unique range of things that

481
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Speaker 1: we go through as women in corporate context, particularly as

482
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Speaker 1: big and as competitive as somewhere like Google. From your time,

483
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: there is there anything you saw in the workplace that

484
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Speaker 1: holds women back in particular, that might really stop women

485
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Speaker 1: right now, we were talking about such a favorable job

486
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Speaker 1: market that just we could be more aware of or

487
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Speaker 1: maybe start to build a toolkit for now so that

488
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Speaker 1: we don't miss the chance to take advantage of this job.

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Speaker 2: Boom So, I do work primarily with conscious corporate women

490
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Speaker 2: and female identifying individuals, both in a one to one context,

491
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Speaker 2: and I also still do a lot of work within

492
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 2: corporations helping corporations to heal their success wound and helping,

493
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: you know, give voice to marginalized individuals. I've done a

494
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Speaker 2: lot of diversity, equity and inclusion consulting as well and

495
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: Western society, and I guess society in general's expectations of

496
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: women are unrealistic and they're detrimental, and that is regardless

497
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: of if you're the industry that you're in. And know,

498
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: this Western ideal for what a successful woman looks like,

499
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Speaker 2: what a successful mother looks like, is based on patriarchal

500
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: systems that are actually intentionally designed to exclude women. And

501
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: we know that because female representation is still not equal

502
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Speaker 2: in all industries and in all positions of power. You know,

503
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: when I was doing diversity, equity and inclusion consulting in Sydney,

504
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: we realized that it was going to take another two

505
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Speaker 2: hundred years to get to gender parity in the workplace

506
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Speaker 2: and to annihilate the gender pay gap. So women have

507
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 2: been conditioned to think of themselves as less than and

508
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: undeserving or impostors as they strive to hit a standard

509
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: that is truly impossible to meet. So, you know, this

510
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Speaker 2: disproportionate mental load that working mothers carry, not to mention

511
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Speaker 2: the physical load a new mother, it really creates this

512
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Speaker 2: double bind for working mothers to live up to extremely

513
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: high expectations at home and work. And you know, this

514
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Speaker 2: is why I believe that women are actually uniquely qualified

515
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Speaker 2: to heal their success wound and transform our culture's definition

516
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Speaker 2: of what success looks like into a much more conscious

517
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: version of success. Because imagine if our world and even

518
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: our organizations and our corporations defined success not in terms

519
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: of power or consumption, revenue, or wealth, but in terms

520
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: of inclusion and self love and community and reverence for

521
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: the earth. And this isn't just like an airy fairy idea.

522
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: Corporations really are talking about, like what does a conscious

523
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: culture look like like? I know that Cisco, for example,

524
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: their cultural manifesto is about conscious culture and employees now

525
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: and people who are seeking jobs are so in the

526
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: position of power because top talent is at a premium

527
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: that they are no longer allowing for shitty diversity numbers

528
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: or shitty cultures or like general bullshit, like people will

529
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: not take I saw the stack. People won't take jobs

530
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: if diversity, equity and inclusion numbers aren't there. Millennials are

531
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Speaker 2: over sixty percent of the workforce. We want meaning more

532
00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: than anything, gen Z, you bet your bottom dollar they're

533
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Speaker 2: not going to work for a company that doesn't have

534
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: a corporate social responsibility, you know, manifesto that they're actually following.

535
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: So these younger generations that are coming up and are

536
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: occupying places of power, like they are demanding that businesses change,

537
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: in our organizations change. So women and everybody need to

538
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: actually look at this success women in themselves and look

539
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: at it in their organization and hold these companies to

540
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: be better. And I think that you can have confidence

541
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: now in the safety that exists in pursuing a job

542
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: that is of highest standards and is aligned with your

543
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: true self because there's always been that safety. That safety

544
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: has always existed for you. But now more than ever,

545
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: you're more in a position of power in a job market.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's really esteam building.

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Speaker 1: It's so exciting, like it's just you know, we're in

548
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Speaker 1: this unique cultural phenomenon where jobs are up, like the

549
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: amount of jobs advertised are up by I think it's

550
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: like over thirty percent, but the amount of applicants is

551
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: down by almost the same amount. So there's this enormous

552
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: jump from both directions, allowing you to have more be

553
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: more selective, be more discerning, but also just like have

554
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: a go at something you've always thought about doing. You know,

555
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: the quote that I really love coming out of the

556
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: past couple of years is when nothing is certain, anything

557
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: is possible. So yeah, uncertainty is incredibly scary and throws

558
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 1: everything up in the air. But you can create your

559
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: own certainty. You also have choice towards what you do

560
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: with that uncertainty. But I think one thing I'd love

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00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: to ask you, because you have the unique perspective of

562
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: having grown up in America, come to Australia, seen our

563
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Speaker 1: working landscape, consulted in it, and then gone back to America.

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Speaker 1: Something I've heard spoken about a lot, particularly when we

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00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: had Matchimade and we were working in the US a

566
00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: lot is that part of the Larican Australian culture and

567
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: the tall poppy syndrome that's quite ripe in our not everywhere,

568
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: not in all corners, but that is generally a cultural

569
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: phenomenon here, I think tends to make us very self deprecating.

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00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: It's something like Aussie's use self deprecation as a form

571
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Speaker 1: of bonding. You know, you don't want to get too

572
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: big for your boots or anything. It makes it very

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00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: hard for us to pitch ourselves. It makes us really

574
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Speaker 1: hard to put your best foot forward, even though logically

575
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: that's what you should be doing. You know, it's almost

576
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 1: like we wear self deprecation and humility as a badge.

577
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: Whereas when I would go to America and would pitch things,

578
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: or pitch myself or pitch our business and start with

579
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,239
Speaker 1: a self deprecation, people would pull you up and be like,

580
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: don't say that, and I would find it so weird.

581
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, but it would be arrogant for me to

582
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: say anything other than I'm so crap. But Americans culturally

583
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: would be like, dude, you are not going to get

584
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: ahead if you keep like hanging shit on yourself like

585
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: that all the time. And it's such a small tweak

586
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: in your mentality, but it really does make a difference.

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00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: So how do you think we can learn to put

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Speaker 1: our best foot forward and get around the awkwardness of

589
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: pitching yourself To make sure we don't miss out of

590
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Speaker 1: this job. Boot.

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Speaker 2: I found this so fascinating and you're so right that

592
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: when I was going into organizations and literally teaching women

593
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: how to own their career and own their success and

594
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: promote themselves, Tall Poppy would come up over and over

595
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: and over again. And I'll hit this at a few

596
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: different levels. I'll hit this at the cognitive level first,

597
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: so things that you can shift in your mindset. I'm

598
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Speaker 2: taking this from a program at Google called I Am Remarkable,

599
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: And in this program they made the beautiful assertion that

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Speaker 2: it's not bragging if it's fact based.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. I mean, so straightforward, but amazing.

602
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: If I'm telling you about the facts of what I've

603
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: accomplished and done, that's not bragging. That's not probbab.

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00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just stating facts.

605
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: I'm stating facts. If I were to exaggerate that or

606
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, pump up my ego as a result, that's bragging.

607
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: But not if I am grounded in the truth of

608
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: my contribution and stating that with conviction and with fact.

609
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Speaker 2: So that's the first twist that I would offer to you,

610
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: is it's not bragging if it's fact based. The second

611
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 2: element here, and I think this is probably true for

612
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: many Australians is that when we were younger, we got

613
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: pulled up for maybe talking about ourselves in you know,

614
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: talking about our accomplishments, or had moments of being embarrassed

615
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: or publicly shamed, or having those moments of trauma at

616
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 2: school when people are like, oh you think you're so great?

617
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like all of that, there's an injured part

618
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: of you inside. And so my recommendation would be when

619
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: you are going in to your manager to talk about

620
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: your promotions in a fact based way and you're finding

621
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: yourself feeling sheepish or getting a pit in your stomach,

622
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 2: talk to that younger part of you that felt ashamed.

623
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Speaker 2: Can you identify or remember an instance where you felt

624
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: publicly embarrassed or shamed when you spoke about yourself in

625
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: front of somebody and it didn't go well. Is there

626
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: a part of you that doesn't want to feel seen.

627
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: Is there a part of you that feels ashamed for something?

628
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: And speak to that younger self like you would a

629
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Speaker 2: young friend or a young cousin or a child, and

630
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: just say like it's okay, it's safe, It is safe

631
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Speaker 2: for me to go in and share my truth and

632
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: my accomplishments with ease. And then the third level that

633
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: I would offer to you is more of kind of

634
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: a spiritual or an energetic level. But what our words matter,

635
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: and the way that we define ourselves matters, and the

636
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 2: way we use to talk about ourselves really does matter.

637
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: And so there's this exercise that I do with some

638
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: of my clients where I have them write down what

639
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: are the words that you describe yourself when things are

640
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: going well, and what are the words that you use

641
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: to describe yourself when things aren't going well. Because identity

642
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: is the most powerful force in human personality. And so

643
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: even if on a subconscious level we're saying like I'm

644
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: so shit, or like oh I should have you know,

645
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: worn lipgloss today, or whatever it is, if we're self deprecating,

646
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: that actually is coming from a small kernel of truth

647
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 2: and kind of shamefaced identity. So you're going to want

648
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: to watch that.

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00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that I was going to ask

650
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: the next question about kind of how to bounce back

651
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: from rejection also, which is an inevitable part of applying

652
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: for new jobs that you won't get every single job

653
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Speaker 1: that you apply for, and I think rejection creates that

654
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: same wound of like, oh ow, but I feel like

655
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Speaker 1: you've just answered the question really speaking to yourself about

656
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: like what does that mean? Nothing really just means I

657
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: wasn't suited or that wasn't the right thing for me. Like,

658
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: there's so much internal dialogue you can do before even

659
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: going to extern results as or friends to kind of

660
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: get yourself through that feeling of oof ow yuck. Like

661
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: no one loves rejection. It's not something we say out,

662
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: but that is like sometimes the cost of getting the

663
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: one that he's meant for you is getting knockbacks first

664
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Speaker 1: from the ones that aren't.

665
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, rejection is the universe's protection, And I

666
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: believe so so deeply, so deeply that just like there

667
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: is a person or a soulmate for every individual, or

668
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: there's a best friend that suited for every individual. If

669
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: you are being called towards something else in your work,

670
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: it's because that's something else is literally calling you too. Yeah,

671
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: there is a match for you out there, from a

672
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: purpose standpoint, from a calling standpoint, from a job standpoint,

673
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: Like Joseph Campbell says, within each of us, there's this

674
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: internal track that exists where we can find that purpose

675
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: and meaning. And it's about really aligning our God given

676
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: ambition to something that is meaningful to us, to a

677
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: career that is a steam building. And so if we

678
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: see rejection as protection or as obstacles, as detours in

679
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: the right direction, or as the fact that you know,

680
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: it's just another test to raise our standards, because a

681
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: lot of my clients actually like they don't have as

682
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: hard time with rejection as they do getting a job

683
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: offer that actually doesn't meet their standards or criteria and

684
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: having to say no the bad thing, because that's the

685
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 2: ultimate test.

686
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Speaker 1: That's actually so interesting. When you're saying no to something,

687
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: we don't consider what the alternative is is saying yes

688
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: to it and then hating it, or yes to it

689
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: and then being stuck in it. But if you actually

690
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: think about it as like a fork in the road,

691
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: like if it didn't say no to you, you could

692
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: have gone down this other pathway, then suddenly it makes

693
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: the rejection a lot easier because you realize, oh, that

694
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Speaker 1: saved me from that pathway.

695
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And I believe that we're going to

696
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: get tests from the universe or from whatever to say

697
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: is your self worth high, and especially in this job market.

698
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: I've coached so many people, even my younger sister who's

699
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: looking for her first job, to the fact that like,

700
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: keep your standards high, ask your true self what it

701
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: they need an order to thrive, And I would say,

702
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: set five non negotiables, right, like what do you need

703
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: in terms of culture, management, community impact? How do you

704
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: want to feel every day? And go in with that

705
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: criteria and do not accept anything less than that. And

706
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: you do not have to in this job market. You

707
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: never did have to. I truly believe that. But things

708
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: are going to happen a lot faster in this job

709
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: market and when you actually pursue that conviction, because it's

710
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: not necessarily just about being rejected, but it is also

711
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 2: about rejecting other opportunities in favor of the thing that's

712
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: highest and best for you.

713
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, it is the power risks with the applicant

714
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Speaker 1: at the moment, and that's a very exciting time. One

715
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Speaker 1: thing I'd love to ask just because it is so

716
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: exciting to have someone who has seen both the inner

717
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: workings as an employee of like a big corporation, but

718
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: also consults to other corporations of all different sizes, but

719
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Speaker 1: has also changed your life structure to working for yourself.

720
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Speaker 1: I think something that I probably leaned too much towards

721
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: in the beginning of CZA was the idea of being

722
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Speaker 1: liberated from the corporate structure because that was my pathway,

723
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Speaker 1: that was my ya, and that has been my way

724
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Speaker 1: of realizing my best talents and passions and everything like that.

725
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Speaker 1: Whereas over time I've also realized the emphasis not much

726
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: more needs to be, but equally needs to be on

727
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Speaker 1: the fact that the entrepreneurial pathway can be as creative

728
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Speaker 1: and as diverse and exciting, and there are places where

729
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Speaker 1: you can be entrepreneurial inside the kind of resources and

730
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Speaker 1: power of a corporation and maybe even have more resources

731
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Speaker 1: behind you to do the things that you want to do.

732
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Speaker 1: You don't have to leave your job to get freedom,

733
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Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.

734
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Speaker 2: So couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 1: Having seen like on that intrepreneurial kind of story, I

736
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Speaker 1: imagine that Google is one of the places of all

737
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Speaker 1: places in the world where internal innovation is like prized

738
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Speaker 1: and encouraged. What words do you have as a now

739
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Speaker 1: entrepreneur having come from an entrepreneurial world on the intrapreneurial

740
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Speaker 1: pathway as being another open, exciting pathway.

741
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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. I also, probably at

742
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: the beginning leaned a little too far in to let

743
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 2: me liberate people from the oppressive corporate structure without actually

744
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 2: listening to people's wants and needs. And people want to

745
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: stay in corporations, and we need again, we need conscious

746
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: turned on, tuned in people who have healed their success

747
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,479
Speaker 2: wound in corporations to create the next products, to create

748
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: inclusive services, to change the way that our corporations operate.

749
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Speaker 2: So what I see in terms of people being really

750
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: successful in that entrepreneurial way at these organizations is first

751
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: and foremost healing your success wound and doing your personal

752
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: development work. Because better human leads to better leadership leads

753
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: to better performance. That kind of almost it forms a triangle, right,

754
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: better human at the bottom and better performance at the top.

755
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: I teach that in my group coaching programs at McKinsey

756
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: and Google and Uber, and doing your personal development work,

757
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: identifying your triggers, bolstering your self awareness, increasing that metacognition

758
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: or that ability to observe oneself in action, and being

759
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: able to change your behavior change your emotional response is

760
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 2: going to be so critical in your entrepreneurial journey because

761
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: people want to work with other good people, Like have

762
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: you ever worked for a boss who wasn't self aware?

763
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Speaker 2: And how much did that suck? Like when you like

764
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: working with people who are like at minimum self aware

765
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: and ideally who have beautiful emotion intelligence. So as a coach, like,

766
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Speaker 2: I'm always preaching the inside out method of career development,

767
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: and I always say it's not about promotion, It's about ascension,

768
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: ascending to your higher self and living in alignment with that,

769
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: because that's when the innovation comes through. Brene Brown always

770
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: says that you can't have innovation without vulnerability, and in

771
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 2: order to have that vulnerability, we need to be able

772
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: to rest on our courage and our confidence.

773
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Speaker 1: So we need to be able to cultivate that absolutely.

774
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Speaker 1: And just a guilty pleasure question about the entrepreneurial life.

775
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: What are the coolest things that you've seen at Google,

776
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: at Uber inside these companies that like, I would never

777
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: go back to old me because that just wasn't my path,

778
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: But there are parts of the corporate life that I

779
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: really miss and there are some really cool perks I

780
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: can't imagine at Silicon Valley level, what those perks actually

781
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: look like. What are some of the coolest things inside

782
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: companies you've seen?

783
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So at the Google Plex in Mountain View,

784
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: which is like ten minutes from my house, they actually

785
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: have a full service Indian restaurant at the campus. What

786
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: story to God, like trolley's full of beautiful, delicious Indian

787
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: food and they bring it over and you have to

788
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: make a reservation at the restaurant. There's a very large,

789
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: very active Indian community in Mountain View, and you just

790
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: hear tamil and you know, it's a really beautiful kind

791
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: of experience. So that was really cool. At Google, It's

792
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 2: like a little known secret that was awesome. I really

793
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: appreciated and loved some of the programs and opportunities for

794
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: learning and development at these places, and that's what also

795
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: keeps me employed today. They have incredible programs for you know,

796
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: they have this awesome program for women called Stretch that

797
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: encourages women to kind of stretch outside of their comfort zone.

798
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: And when I took that at Google, it actually led

799
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Speaker 2: to me launching a really innovative different product and project

800
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: which actually helped me secure promotion well, they also have

801
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: like mindfulness courses and that kind of thing, But I honestly,

802
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: the Indian Restaurant stands out above the rocks.

803
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: Like some people like indoor slides, playground icicles together aunccount

804
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: with your like another food, absolutely food.

805
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, in my times of active partying,

806
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: I would rely on the nap pods. Maybe a bit

807
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: too heavily, so those were cool, but you know, it

808
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: was the Indian Restaurant for me.

809
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: But you know what. The existence of those NAT pods also,

810
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: I think emphasizes the idea that even within like one

811
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Speaker 1: of the most successful companies in the world, with like

812
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: the most successful minds being employed, there the idea that

813
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: you need to sometimes go backwards to go forwards like

814
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Speaker 1: sleep to not that that's going backwards, but that like

815
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: you can't be productive unless you also take breaks. I

816
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: love that there are nat pods because sometimes you just

817
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: need some shut eye.

818
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just need a twenty minute power nap and

819
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: you can come back, you know, bigger than ever. That

820
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: is so so true.

821
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Speaker 3: You wanted like anytime, I mean, yeah, you had to

822
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Speaker 3: get your work done, but I could go on for

823
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Speaker 3: a twenty minute meeting you know, nap between meetings for sure.

824
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. So when I was in Hong Kong,

825
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: I was working there for a year with the law firm,

826
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Speaker 1: and I was still kind of coming back from a

827
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Speaker 1: joining fatigue. I was still really underweight after Africa, and

828
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Speaker 1: I napped all the time. Like I didn't understand when

829
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Speaker 1: I first got there, that why people would nap at

830
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Speaker 1: their desks. By the end, like I was li I'd

831
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Speaker 1: send Nick photos of like people napping and be like,

832
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, who does that? And by the end

833
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: he came over and I had like a pillow under

834
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Speaker 1: my desk, but there were no pods right, Like I

835
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: just had to make a bed on the floor. I'm like,

836
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Speaker 1: we needed pods. Every workplace needs a nap pod. Can

837
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Speaker 1: you imagine the productivity increase.

838
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Speaker 2: I think it's a brilliant idea. I'm a big fan

839
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: of the midday nap even today.

840
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'm like, my bed's just there. It's not

841
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: midday in Australia yet I could. I could totally smash

842
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: one out to It would be remiss of me not

843
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: to finish up with a non work related question too,

844
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: because of course, cultivating your joy and playing outside of

845
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: your productivity, I think is one of the most important

846
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: things for a really fulfilling life. So how do you

847
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: cultivate your identity outside of work And are there any

848
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: kind of play activities that you do that don't have

849
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: a productive outcome, that a layer to forget what time

850
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: it is, and that are just for fun.

851
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: I have some intentions having moved to LA that I

852
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: want to do with this. I want to take improv classes,

853
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 2: which I think would be so fun, so cool. Yes,

854
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 2: maybe I'll get my big break, maybe I'll find maybe

855
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: I'll become an actress.

856
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Who knows, we'll come back next episode and I'll be like,

857
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: how's that Netflix special going?

858
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, look out. I'd love to do that.

859
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 2: I took hip hop lessons hip hop dance classes at

860
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: in Sydney before the pandemic, and they were people were

861
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: so good. People were so so good. It was like

862
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: a beginner's dance class, but they're really experts and I'd

863
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: love to bring that. It was really humbling. Learning to

864
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: surf in Australia was super humbling too. I don't think

865
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Speaker 2: I'll continue that one, but I will do improve and dance.

866
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Speaker 1: I think amazing. The dance classes in La, like the

867
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Speaker 1: studios over there are insane.

868
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Speaker 2: I know, I don't think I can do it.

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Speaker 1: Again, Absolutely, put your coaching hat on, Gal. You can

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Speaker 1: do whatever you set your mind to.

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Speaker 2: Growth mindset. I can't do it yet, very will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to heal that word. You're picking at

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Speaker 1: your word. Stop it.

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Speaker 2: You're totally right.

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Speaker 1: My last question, what is your favorite quote?

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Speaker 2: My favorite quote is honestly from my recovery, and that's

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Speaker 2: one day at a time. I believe we can do

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Speaker 2: incredible things one day at a time. And it's a

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Speaker 2: motto that I live by. I don't have to do

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Speaker 2: life all at once. I can just do it one

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Speaker 2: day at a time. And that is just puts me

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Speaker 2: into a state of my truth self just listening to that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's one of my favorites. Thank you so much, Brooks.

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Speaker 1: This was absolutely transformative. Like genuinely, I feel like I

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Speaker 1: just had a one on one coaching session and then

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Speaker 1: I also happened to be able to share it with

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Speaker 1: other people. But this I just got so much out

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Speaker 1: of there. So thank you so.

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Speaker 2: Much, thank you, It's so fun. Thank you so much.