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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea

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Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. We may only be in March,

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Speaker 2: but Netflix's news series Adolescence has become the most talked

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Speaker 2: about show of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: A darn, I haven't done anything.

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Speaker 3: Do you know a girl called Katie Lennard? Yeah, describe

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Speaker 3: each other as friends?

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Speaker 1: Then is she that?

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Speaker 3: Then? Why would you asser?

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Speaker 2: Its focus is on the haunting portrayal of a thirteen

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Speaker 2: year old boy accused of murdering his female classmate. But

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Speaker 2: while the four part drama isn't based on a single

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Speaker 2: true story, the events it depicts are frighteningly.

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Speaker 2: Today, we're looking at the real life cases that inspired

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Speaker 2: this groundbreaking series and why it's been called the most

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Speaker 2: about the timeline of events leading up to the deaths

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Speaker 2: of Hollywood legend Gene Hackman and his wife Betsy Arakawa.

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Speaker 2: But before we get there, here's Clare Murphy with the

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Speaker 2: latest from the QUICKI newsroom for Wednesday, March nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. The coroner has heard that the man who

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Speaker 1: killed water polo coach Lily James had stalked a previous partner.

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Speaker 1: concerns grew as Thesans continually checked up on her, becoming

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Speaker 1: making threats to kill them a due to appear in

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Speaker 1: court today. Sarah Abu Lebda and Ahmad Rashad Nadir were

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Speaker 1: Lebda was charged with threatening violence to a group and

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Speaker 1: using a carriage service to menace, harass or offend. The

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next. Unpacking the true story behind Netflix's confronting

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Speaker 2: new series. Filmed in four single Uninterrupted takes Adoleas follows

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Speaker 2: social media, youth violence and online radicalization.

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Speaker 3: It's a call to action bat a manisphere manassee which

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Speaker 1: Adam, Adam, listen on my brain.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, s break it down.

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Speaker 2: The show stars Owen Cooper as Jamie, a seemingly ordinary

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Speaker 2: points to the UK's growing knife crime epidemic amongst young

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Speaker 2: But perhaps most disturbingly, the show tackles the rise of

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Speaker 2: It even directly references real life Internet figures like Andrew Tate,

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Speaker 2: While the outcome of the show is extreme, it does

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Speaker 2: this show as the most shocking Netflix series since Baby Reindeer.

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Speaker 2: What makes it so compelling?

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Speaker 3: So it's like impeccably acted. It's also like the writing

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Speaker 3: It's as close to like a modern masterpiece as you

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Speaker 2: So the show is filmed in four single uninterrupted takes.

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Speaker 2: It feels like that just keeps adding to this sense

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't even really clock it until I think

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Speaker 3: I was just hooked. I was just like, where are

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Speaker 2: The show's co creator, Stephen Graham, has spoken about being

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Speaker 3: He made it clear that the not like one specific story,

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Speaker 3: And he did reference one story of Yeair, a teenage

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Speaker 2: And it's not just these sort of individual cases and

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Speaker 2: We talk about things like radicalization and the word in

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Speaker 2: cells was thrown around a bunch in this show.

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Speaker 1: As well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in cell culture is a big part of it,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's also interesting because the character that this show

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Speaker 3: So in episode two, one of the teachers is kind

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Speaker 2: Parents as well who are trying to reconcile of what

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Speaker 3: algorithm will find you even if you're not seeking it out,

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Speaker 3: and all of these teenage boys, they're not seeking it out,

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Speaker 3: more of this really harmful content. All of this awful.

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Speaker 2: Stuff points to the question of all, why did Stephen

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Speaker 3: So Stephen Graham's obviously very aware of what's happening right now,

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Speaker 4: Our topsy examination and a full body post wartem CT

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Speaker 2: They married in nineteen ninety one and chose a quiet

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Speaker 2: Leslie and granddaughter Annie released a statement saying he was

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Speaker 2: dad and grandpa. Thanks for taking some time to feed

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Speaker 2: your mind with us today. Before you go, Our friends

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Speaker 2: The annual You Beauty Awards are back and by casting

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Speaker 2: is produced by me Taylor Strano and Claire Murphy, with

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Speaker 2: audio production by Lou Hill.