1 00:00:14,954 --> 00:00:17,914 Speaker 1: From Mamma Mia, welcome to the spill, your daily pop 2 00:00:17,914 --> 00:00:19,713 Speaker 1: culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick, 3 00:00:19,873 --> 00:00:21,394 Speaker 2: and I'm Ksenia Lukic. 4 00:00:21,663 --> 00:00:24,953 Speaker 1: And on today's show, a lot of drama overnight. We've 5 00:00:24,953 --> 00:00:28,063 Speaker 1: had a statement from Deborah Lee Furness, which gives us 6 00:00:28,063 --> 00:00:31,274 Speaker 1: a really interesting insight into her divorce from Hugh Jackman. 7 00:00:31,303 --> 00:00:33,903 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into that. Plus, Lindsay Lohan is back, 8 00:00:34,034 --> 00:00:37,173 Speaker 1: but all anyone is talking about is her face, so 9 00:00:37,534 --> 00:00:40,003 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into that. I know it's an uncomfortable conversation, 10 00:00:40,253 --> 00:00:42,934 Speaker 1: but it's one that's really bubbling up this week, so 11 00:00:42,934 --> 00:00:44,053 Speaker 1: we have to get into it. But 12 00:00:44,053 --> 00:00:44,373 Speaker 2: first, we're 13 00:00:44,373 --> 00:00:50,544 Speaker 2: gonna talk about Hayley Bieber again. But in a shock, well, 14 00:00:50,614 --> 00:00:54,733 Speaker 2: not shock, but she has basically now sold Rode, her 15 00:00:54,733 --> 00:00:59,003 Speaker 2: skincare company, to Elf Beauty in a deal valued at 16 00:00:59,003 --> 00:01:02,494 Speaker 2: 1 billion, well, just under $1 billion like 800. 17 00:01:03,204 --> 00:01:07,643 Speaker 2: Million dollars. So she's actually sold her company off. So 18 00:01:07,643 --> 00:01:10,924 Speaker 2: she's joined the likes of, you know, the Kylie Jenners 19 00:01:10,924 --> 00:01:14,443 Speaker 2: and people who are selling off their skincare brands, and 20 00:01:14,443 --> 00:01:16,924 Speaker 2: she's now a billionaire. Yeah, 21 00:01:17,043 --> 00:01:19,113 Speaker 1: which is really interesting. There's been like a lot of 22 00:01:19,113 --> 00:01:22,024 Speaker 1: buzz on different sides about this topic today. Some people 23 00:01:22,024 --> 00:01:24,204 Speaker 1: are saying, like, did she sell too early when her 24 00:01:24,204 --> 00:01:27,564 Speaker 1: company is potentially about to skyrocket and she could have 25 00:01:27,564 --> 00:01:30,524 Speaker 1: like built up that wealth over time, especially because it's 26 00:01:30,524 --> 00:01:31,354 Speaker 1: just about to be 27 00:01:31,504 --> 00:01:34,784 Speaker 1: Sold in Sephora, which, obviously, having those deals where you're 28 00:01:34,784 --> 00:01:37,663 Speaker 1: in a mega chain like that is huge. And then 29 00:01:37,663 --> 00:01:40,623 Speaker 1: other people are saying like, did Elf also potentially jump 30 00:01:40,623 --> 00:01:42,863 Speaker 1: the gun and like jump in too early for a 31 00:01:42,863 --> 00:01:45,653 Speaker 1: brand that's relatively new. But I'd say like on both sides, 32 00:01:45,704 --> 00:01:48,344 Speaker 1: it seems like a fairly smart business decision. There's so 33 00:01:48,344 --> 00:01:50,384 Speaker 1: much buzz around road, like people are dying to to 34 00:01:50,384 --> 00:01:53,513 Speaker 1: walk into stores and buy in Australia. And for Hayley Bieber, 35 00:01:53,733 --> 00:01:56,894 Speaker 1: potentially she's thinking to sell while the buzz is really strong. 36 00:01:57,024 --> 00:01:57,513 Speaker 2: I think it's 37 00:01:57,513 --> 00:01:59,814 Speaker 2: actually a really smart move, because Elf. 38 00:01:59,973 --> 00:02:04,564 Speaker 2: Have always positioned themselves, their eyes, lips, face, right? So 39 00:02:04,564 --> 00:02:09,163 Speaker 2: Elf Beauty positioned themselves as like really affordable makeup, you know, 40 00:02:09,363 --> 00:02:14,683 Speaker 2: purchased in supermarkets, and they've actually really upped their sales 41 00:02:14,683 --> 00:02:18,483 Speaker 2: here in Australia and upped their, their market share in 42 00:02:18,483 --> 00:02:21,963 Speaker 2: Australia lately. I've used a lot of their products. I 43 00:02:21,963 --> 00:02:25,284 Speaker 2: really like them, and I think where Hailey Bieber has 44 00:02:25,284 --> 00:02:28,323 Speaker 2: positioned herself is in that same kind of vein. 45 00:02:28,754 --> 00:02:33,513 Speaker 2: Of, you know, trying to make it affordable, but really 46 00:02:33,513 --> 00:02:36,314 Speaker 2: high end at the same time. I was kind of 47 00:02:36,314 --> 00:02:39,353 Speaker 2: looking at some of the prices. You're kind of looking 48 00:02:39,353 --> 00:02:42,254 Speaker 2: at that like $16 for a lip gloss, which is 49 00:02:42,254 --> 00:02:43,424 Speaker 2: like not, that's not 50 00:02:43,834 --> 00:02:44,344 Speaker 2: cheap. 51 00:02:44,433 --> 00:02:47,993 Speaker 1: It's not cheap, but as like the financial crisis gets 52 00:02:47,993 --> 00:02:50,034 Speaker 1: worse and worse, it's like that lipstick theory, right? Like 53 00:02:50,034 --> 00:02:53,114 Speaker 1: when the financial crisis gets worse, lipstick sales go up 54 00:02:53,114 --> 00:02:55,034 Speaker 1: because people want like a little treat and no one 55 00:02:55,034 --> 00:02:57,314 Speaker 1: can buy a house or anything like that. So you 56 00:02:57,314 --> 00:02:57,644 Speaker 1: like buy. 57 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,370 Speaker 1: Yourself a little road lipstick to feel better. So maybe 58 00:03:00,370 --> 00:03:01,329 Speaker 1: she's coming at the right time. 59 00:03:01,489 --> 00:03:01,610 Speaker 2: I 60 00:03:01,610 --> 00:03:04,049 Speaker 2: think as well, you know, she's she's not gonna be 61 00:03:04,049 --> 00:03:07,209 Speaker 2: out of it completely. So she has, she's remaining with 62 00:03:07,209 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: the company as chief creative officer and head of innovation. 63 00:03:11,890 --> 00:03:16,370 Speaker 2: Don't you just love a title? Like, sometimes titles are 64 00:03:16,370 --> 00:03:17,810 Speaker 2: just wild these 65 00:03:17,810 --> 00:03:18,689 Speaker 2: days. Yeah, yeah. 66 00:03:18,730 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: But I think they had to sort of like having 67 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,250 Speaker 1: her as the face of the brand, because her face 68 00:03:22,250 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: is what sold those products. Like people are so obsessed 69 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,649 Speaker 1: with her skincare and her beauty. 70 00:03:26,756 --> 00:03:29,825 Speaker 1: And all the different kind of iterations of beauty from 71 00:03:29,825 --> 00:03:32,015 Speaker 1: like latte makeup and all that sort of and like 72 00:03:32,015 --> 00:03:34,375 Speaker 1: strawberry makeup. And she's always got some sort of a like, 73 00:03:34,625 --> 00:03:36,946 Speaker 1: a fad kind of happening. So I think they've kept 74 00:03:36,946 --> 00:03:38,866 Speaker 1: her on, I think they actually bought the company with 75 00:03:38,866 --> 00:03:40,816 Speaker 1: the proviso that she would still stay on. 76 00:03:41,026 --> 00:03:44,226 Speaker 2: And I would say that she would want to continue 77 00:03:44,226 --> 00:03:47,066 Speaker 2: to be involved in it because it seems to be 78 00:03:47,066 --> 00:03:50,745 Speaker 2: quite a love project for her. But sort of intertwined 79 00:03:50,745 --> 00:03:55,776 Speaker 2: with this is Justin Bieber's proposed 80 00:03:56,584 --> 00:03:58,263 Speaker 2: Financial troubles as well. 81 00:03:58,383 --> 00:04:00,414 Speaker 1: Yeah, so the kind of elephant in the room here 82 00:04:00,414 --> 00:04:02,694 Speaker 1: is that there's been rumors for a really long time 83 00:04:02,694 --> 00:04:05,284 Speaker 1: that Justin Bieber, despite being like one of the biggest 84 00:04:05,284 --> 00:04:07,144 Speaker 1: pop stars in the world for like well over a 85 00:04:07,144 --> 00:04:09,834 Speaker 1: decade now, has been, and this is a direct quote 86 00:04:09,834 --> 00:04:12,224 Speaker 1: from the documentary that out of the story, on the 87 00:04:12,224 --> 00:04:15,823 Speaker 1: verge of financial collapse for a really long time. So 88 00:04:15,823 --> 00:04:19,543 Speaker 1: this story came from a TMZ investigation and a documentary 89 00:04:19,914 --> 00:04:24,023 Speaker 1: that was published about him, which people from Justin Bieber's 90 00:04:24,023 --> 00:04:24,433 Speaker 1: team have 91 00:04:24,597 --> 00:04:28,397 Speaker 1: refuted since it came out, but they haven't responded to 92 00:04:28,397 --> 00:04:30,277 Speaker 1: any of the stories that have sort of been bubbling 93 00:04:30,277 --> 00:04:34,156 Speaker 1: up recently. And in that documentary, they have someone who 94 00:04:34,156 --> 00:04:36,386 Speaker 1: says that they were on a call with multiple people 95 00:04:36,916 --> 00:04:40,596 Speaker 1: before this all happened and before Justin sold his music 96 00:04:40,596 --> 00:04:44,636 Speaker 1: catalog for $200 million 2022, to say that he was 97 00:04:44,636 --> 00:04:46,957 Speaker 1: on the verge of financial collapse, and that's why he 98 00:04:46,957 --> 00:04:49,196 Speaker 1: felt he had to sort of desperately sell his back 99 00:04:49,196 --> 00:04:50,596 Speaker 1: catalog and 100 00:04:50,596 --> 00:04:51,716 Speaker 2: saying that he was 101 00:04:51,716 --> 00:04:52,476 Speaker 2: involved in all of this. 102 00:04:52,620 --> 00:04:53,729 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's embroiled 103 00:04:53,729 --> 00:04:57,079 Speaker 1: as well. So, allegedly Justin Bieber was, uh, like, in quite, 104 00:04:57,329 --> 00:04:59,250 Speaker 1: basically what they were saying is that he was broke 105 00:04:59,250 --> 00:05:02,329 Speaker 1: and he panicked and sold his music catalog, and this 106 00:05:02,329 --> 00:05:05,489 Speaker 1: allegedly might be some of the reason why he parted 107 00:05:05,489 --> 00:05:07,929 Speaker 1: ways with his team at the time, because everyone was like, 108 00:05:08,090 --> 00:05:10,489 Speaker 1: and we know it's bad, but like, let's figure out 109 00:05:10,489 --> 00:05:12,090 Speaker 1: another way to get out of debt without selling your 110 00:05:12,090 --> 00:05:14,449 Speaker 1: music catalog, cause once it's gone, it's gone, and it 111 00:05:14,449 --> 00:05:18,570 Speaker 1: could potentially appreciate for more money over time. But then, allegedly, again, 112 00:05:18,649 --> 00:05:20,699 Speaker 1: we were on this call, this call that is 113 00:05:20,752 --> 00:05:23,182 Speaker 1: Part of the documentary. He was just like, I just 114 00:05:23,182 --> 00:05:25,622 Speaker 1: need to get out and get that money back. And 115 00:05:25,622 --> 00:05:28,022 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why he was in so much 116 00:05:28,022 --> 00:05:31,143 Speaker 1: debt is that he had canceled a huge tour that 117 00:05:31,143 --> 00:05:34,622 Speaker 1: he was supposed to do previously, this worldwide tour that 118 00:05:34,622 --> 00:05:38,972 Speaker 1: would have made him over $90 million had he finished it. 119 00:05:39,143 --> 00:05:42,182 Speaker 1: He'd also outlaid a lot of money. He apparently had 120 00:05:42,182 --> 00:05:45,573 Speaker 1: bought like 8 different buses. He'd then spent $2 million 121 00:05:45,573 --> 00:05:48,833 Speaker 1: renovating the buses for his tour. He had 122 00:05:48,885 --> 00:05:51,045 Speaker 1: Like flow and his team around on private jets, and 123 00:05:51,045 --> 00:05:53,635 Speaker 1: he'd bought mansions and it was all this stuff. And 124 00:05:53,635 --> 00:05:55,836 Speaker 1: then when he had to pull out of the tour, 125 00:05:55,915 --> 00:05:58,315 Speaker 1: he just ended up losing all of that money. And 126 00:05:58,315 --> 00:06:00,836 Speaker 1: this is where Scooter Braun comes in, where apparently he 127 00:06:00,836 --> 00:06:05,075 Speaker 1: had stepped in to lend him some money, and then 128 00:06:05,075 --> 00:06:07,035 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the canceled tour set 129 00:06:07,035 --> 00:06:09,426 Speaker 1: him back over $20 million. 130 00:06:09,795 --> 00:06:14,586 Speaker 2: So, according to an independent 6 month audit conducted by PricewaterhouseCoopers, 131 00:06:14,755 --> 00:06:16,906 Speaker 2: the singer owes Braun over 132 00:06:17,028 --> 00:06:21,169 Speaker 2: $8 million 8.8 million dollars. 133 00:06:21,248 --> 00:06:23,928 Speaker 1: And so that would be on top of the, also 134 00:06:23,928 --> 00:06:27,689 Speaker 1: the $20 million that was lost in the tour. So 135 00:06:27,689 --> 00:06:30,129 Speaker 1: if all that information is correct, and this has all 136 00:06:30,129 --> 00:06:32,248 Speaker 1: been published again in the last couple of months, it's 137 00:06:32,248 --> 00:06:36,248 Speaker 1: all resurfaced again since he sold the back catalog in 2022, 138 00:06:36,368 --> 00:06:39,129 Speaker 1: and his team haven't come out and refuted, like, a 139 00:06:39,129 --> 00:06:40,729 Speaker 1: lot of these statements. So even though we don't know 140 00:06:40,729 --> 00:06:42,488 Speaker 1: it's true, it's sort of been this elephant in the 141 00:06:42,488 --> 00:06:45,099 Speaker 1: room for a really long time that since Justin Bie 142 00:06:45,381 --> 00:06:47,381 Speaker 1: Especially because recently, he's like, the best thing I ever 143 00:06:47,381 --> 00:06:49,022 Speaker 1: did was marry Hailey. Well, yeah, 144 00:06:49,182 --> 00:06:54,022 Speaker 2: because now she's just sold for $800 million. So she's 145 00:06:54,022 --> 00:06:55,142 Speaker 2: now the breadwinner. Well, 146 00:06:55,341 --> 00:06:57,702 Speaker 1: yeah, exactly. That's what people have been saying is that 147 00:06:57,702 --> 00:06:59,582 Speaker 1: so much of their relationship is tied up in the 148 00:06:59,582 --> 00:07:02,541 Speaker 1: fact that everyone thinks that she married him for like 149 00:07:02,541 --> 00:07:04,422 Speaker 1: a money boost, even though she comes from a very 150 00:07:04,422 --> 00:07:07,821 Speaker 1: wealthy family, but married him for his wealth. But the 151 00:07:07,821 --> 00:07:10,501 Speaker 1: flip side is that now she's definitely like the breadwinner 152 00:07:10,501 --> 00:07:12,332 Speaker 1: of the family and she's the one who's gonna bail 153 00:07:12,332 --> 00:07:13,182 Speaker 1: him out of all his debt. 154 00:07:13,285 --> 00:07:16,104 Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's behind this sale to 155 00:07:16,114 --> 00:07:18,155 Speaker 1: Elf for that huge amount of money, but I'm sure 156 00:07:18,155 --> 00:07:20,315 Speaker 1: that if these stories are true, like that huge influx 157 00:07:20,315 --> 00:07:22,454 Speaker 1: of cash at the moment would be super helpful. 158 00:07:22,554 --> 00:07:25,435 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the great thing is, though, for Aussies 159 00:07:25,435 --> 00:07:28,465 Speaker 2: wanting to get hold of road products, it's gonna be 160 00:07:29,074 --> 00:07:32,725 Speaker 2: significantly easier now that Elf control it because Elf have 161 00:07:32,725 --> 00:07:34,954 Speaker 2: a presence here in Australia. So we know that we're 162 00:07:34,954 --> 00:07:38,554 Speaker 2: gonna be able to get access to those road products sooner. 163 00:07:38,565 --> 00:07:39,274 Speaker 2: So it's a win 164 00:07:39,274 --> 00:07:39,554 Speaker 2: for us, 165 00:07:39,595 --> 00:07:41,114 Speaker 1: and that's what we're gonna take away from this. 166 00:07:42,873 --> 00:07:47,213 Speaker 2: OK, so we're now here to talk about Lindsay Lohan's face. Now, 167 00:07:47,224 --> 00:07:50,173 Speaker 2: this has become such a big topic of conversation and 168 00:07:50,373 --> 00:07:54,574 Speaker 2: to the point where there's headlines saying now it's derailing 169 00:07:54,574 --> 00:07:55,713 Speaker 2: her press tour. 170 00:07:56,363 --> 00:07:59,354 Speaker 2: There's a lot to go into with this, but, but basically, 171 00:07:59,523 --> 00:08:00,953 Speaker 2: Lindsay Lohan looks amazing. 172 00:08:01,243 --> 00:08:03,123 Speaker 1: She does. And that has been the sort of talking 173 00:08:03,123 --> 00:08:05,963 Speaker 1: point since she came out of her hiatus after being 174 00:08:05,963 --> 00:08:08,914 Speaker 1: away from filming for a while, moving to Dubai, getting married, 175 00:08:09,123 --> 00:08:11,044 Speaker 1: having a child, and now she's like, really back in 176 00:08:11,044 --> 00:08:11,564 Speaker 1: the spotlight. 177 00:08:11,643 --> 00:08:12,203 Speaker 2: And her 178 00:08:12,203 --> 00:08:16,243 Speaker 2: face looks incredible. And, you know, the room is swirling, 179 00:08:16,284 --> 00:08:18,604 Speaker 2: and we've had this with a lot of celebrities lately 180 00:08:18,604 --> 00:08:20,113 Speaker 2: who've had these, like, 181 00:08:20,564 --> 00:08:26,053 Speaker 2: Incredible transformations of their faces. And a lot of it's like, 182 00:08:26,224 --> 00:08:28,143 Speaker 2: what the hell is going on in Hollywood? Who is 183 00:08:28,143 --> 00:08:31,903 Speaker 2: this doctor and where can I get it? But the 184 00:08:31,903 --> 00:08:35,523 Speaker 2: think the issue with Lindsay is she was on this 185 00:08:35,523 --> 00:08:39,213 Speaker 2: press tour and was asked by a journalist, you know, 186 00:08:39,743 --> 00:08:41,294 Speaker 2: have you had any work done? 187 00:08:41,903 --> 00:08:44,753 Speaker 2: And her response, do you want to read us her 188 00:08:44,753 --> 00:08:45,313 Speaker 2: response? Yeah. 189 00:08:45,434 --> 00:08:48,073 Speaker 1: So there's been like a few little moments where she's 190 00:08:48,073 --> 00:08:49,914 Speaker 1: been asked about it. She's been asked about it by fans, 191 00:08:49,953 --> 00:08:51,354 Speaker 1: she's been asked about it by press, and she kind 192 00:08:51,354 --> 00:08:55,874 Speaker 1: of always sidesteps the, the subject, but she's Elle magazine's 193 00:08:55,874 --> 00:08:59,393 Speaker 1: new cover girl for their 2025 summer issue. And as 194 00:08:59,393 --> 00:09:01,393 Speaker 1: part of that big photo shoot, she also does an 195 00:09:01,393 --> 00:09:04,994 Speaker 1: in conversation with Chloe Fineman from Saturday Night Live. So 196 00:09:04,994 --> 00:09:06,263 Speaker 1: they're going back and forth and 197 00:09:06,309 --> 00:09:10,409 Speaker 1: And talking about, you know, their, their skincare routines and beauty, 198 00:09:10,659 --> 00:09:13,018 Speaker 1: and it sort of comes up a little bit in 199 00:09:13,018 --> 00:09:16,948 Speaker 1: that context. So, Lindsay Lohan, who does look quite dramatically different, 200 00:09:17,099 --> 00:09:20,099 Speaker 1: so just have that context when she says this, she says, 201 00:09:20,179 --> 00:09:23,299 Speaker 1: I drink juice every morning. It's like carrot, ginger, lemon, 202 00:09:23,378 --> 00:09:25,818 Speaker 1: olive oil, and apple. I also drink a lot of 203 00:09:25,818 --> 00:09:27,859 Speaker 1: green tea and a lot of water. I'm also a 204 00:09:27,859 --> 00:09:30,578 Speaker 1: big pickled beets person, so I put them in almost everything. 205 00:09:30,963 --> 00:09:32,494 Speaker 1: And then she went on to say that she's like 206 00:09:32,494 --> 00:09:35,443 Speaker 1: very specific about the skincare she uses, she's allergic to 207 00:09:35,443 --> 00:09:38,403 Speaker 1: a lot of things. She has talked before about she's 208 00:09:38,403 --> 00:09:40,963 Speaker 1: a fan of Botox and lasers, but she says it 209 00:09:40,963 --> 00:09:43,763 Speaker 1: in a very kind of way of never really saying 210 00:09:43,763 --> 00:09:48,083 Speaker 1: if she specifically had anything done. She more says that like, 211 00:09:48,203 --> 00:09:50,003 Speaker 1: she said, Oh, I heard Julianne Moore's got a really 212 00:09:50,003 --> 00:09:52,003 Speaker 1: good at home laser, and I'd love to try that. 213 00:09:52,044 --> 00:09:53,844 Speaker 1: Or I heard Botox is really great. No, 214 00:09:53,883 --> 00:09:55,443 Speaker 2: no, I think she says in here, like, of course 215 00:09:55,443 --> 00:09:57,914 Speaker 2: I do Botox. Like, I've seen it she's like she's 216 00:09:57,914 --> 00:09:58,934 Speaker 2: admitting to. 217 00:09:59,778 --> 00:10:03,299 Speaker 2: But in the realm of, like, plastic surgery, Botox is 218 00:10:03,299 --> 00:10:04,898 Speaker 2: like getting your teeth cleaned. 219 00:10:05,489 --> 00:10:07,378 Speaker 1: Like this is what I think that divide of celebrity 220 00:10:07,378 --> 00:10:10,539 Speaker 1: and normal people closing, because in this interview, Chloe Fineman 221 00:10:10,539 --> 00:10:12,299 Speaker 1: says that she was at a dinner party or something 222 00:10:12,299 --> 00:10:13,979 Speaker 1: like that, and she says that someone said they didn't 223 00:10:13,979 --> 00:10:15,999 Speaker 1: have Botox and everyone kind of laughed. And I was like, 224 00:10:16,018 --> 00:10:18,258 Speaker 1: is that the stage we're at where people are laughing 225 00:10:18,258 --> 00:10:21,458 Speaker 1: about not having Botox? OK. I'm just scared to get it, 226 00:10:21,499 --> 00:10:22,979 Speaker 1: so I've got a needle phobia. So I feel like 227 00:10:22,979 --> 00:10:24,258 Speaker 1: I'm just out of that conversation. 228 00:10:24,458 --> 00:10:27,328 Speaker 2: Honestly, like I mean, most of the people. 229 00:10:27,794 --> 00:10:32,073 Speaker 2: That I know have had it once or twice. I. Like, again, 230 00:10:32,313 --> 00:10:35,943 Speaker 2: like getting your teeth clean. I think the issue here is, 231 00:10:36,393 --> 00:10:41,294 Speaker 2: we've seen Kris Jenner, she's had this big, like, massive overhaul. 232 00:10:41,633 --> 00:10:44,833 Speaker 2: The neck skin is like taut as hell, and she's 233 00:10:44,833 --> 00:10:48,544 Speaker 2: in her late 60s here. But she's admitted to having 234 00:10:48,544 --> 00:10:51,234 Speaker 2: her work done. What the issue here is, and I 235 00:10:51,234 --> 00:10:53,844 Speaker 2: think what a lot of people are kind of 236 00:10:54,313 --> 00:10:57,354 Speaker 2: Objecting to is her saying that it's down to lemon 237 00:10:57,354 --> 00:10:59,994 Speaker 2: water and ginger and pickled 238 00:10:59,994 --> 00:11:00,903 Speaker 2: beets. 239 00:11:01,153 --> 00:11:03,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the hard thing, isn't it? It's hard because, 240 00:11:03,794 --> 00:11:05,883 Speaker 1: especially with Lindsay Long, because she is so beloved and 241 00:11:05,883 --> 00:11:08,823 Speaker 1: people are so excited for this comeback of her, like, 242 00:11:08,833 --> 00:11:11,263 Speaker 1: starring in Freaky Friday 2 and teaming up again with 243 00:11:11,263 --> 00:11:13,304 Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis, and she's got a TV show coming 244 00:11:13,304 --> 00:11:15,354 Speaker 1: out and lots of different things in the works. And 245 00:11:15,354 --> 00:11:17,354 Speaker 1: she's also had all those Christmas movies on Netflix. 246 00:11:17,429 --> 00:11:19,539 Speaker 1: That people love. And I think cause like we grew 247 00:11:19,539 --> 00:11:21,900 Speaker 1: up with her, like all the comments under all of 248 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:25,659 Speaker 1: her clips and interviews are mostly just fans saying she's 249 00:11:25,659 --> 00:11:28,179 Speaker 1: had a facelift, but we still love her. Like that's 250 00:11:28,179 --> 00:11:30,339 Speaker 1: the vibe, which I think is interesting. It's like people 251 00:11:30,339 --> 00:11:32,620 Speaker 1: just want her to say it. And I think we're 252 00:11:32,620 --> 00:11:35,260 Speaker 1: in this kind of space at the moment where we 253 00:11:35,260 --> 00:11:39,620 Speaker 1: know that every single celebrity is having something wildly different 254 00:11:39,620 --> 00:11:40,620 Speaker 1: done to their faces. 255 00:11:41,046 --> 00:11:44,115 Speaker 1: But once they say it, it's like people almost take 256 00:11:44,115 --> 00:11:47,046 Speaker 1: a step back. Like Christian a surgeon came out and 257 00:11:47,046 --> 00:11:49,526 Speaker 1: was doing interviews and there was press confirming. But I 258 00:11:49,526 --> 00:11:51,526 Speaker 1: think that's a little bit different just because there was 259 00:11:51,526 --> 00:11:53,015 Speaker 1: no way to say a woman who's about to turn 260 00:11:53,015 --> 00:11:56,486 Speaker 1: 70 has a completely different face without acknowledging it. Whereas 261 00:11:56,486 --> 00:11:59,555 Speaker 1: I think Lindsay Lohan is kind of tiptoeing around that area. 262 00:11:59,925 --> 00:12:01,486 Speaker 1: She and her team must feel like they can get 263 00:12:01,486 --> 00:12:03,846 Speaker 1: away with saying that it's pickled beets. 264 00:12:04,374 --> 00:12:07,244 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I, I think, look, I'm really happy 265 00:12:07,244 --> 00:12:09,203 Speaker 2: for Lindsay because I feel like, you know, she's had 266 00:12:09,203 --> 00:12:13,724 Speaker 2: a rough decade. She went through a lot after Mean Girls, like, 267 00:12:13,804 --> 00:12:18,244 Speaker 2: really struggling with a lot of different issues. You know, 268 00:12:18,323 --> 00:12:21,284 Speaker 2: there was the whole nightclub thing and 269 00:12:21,284 --> 00:12:21,724 Speaker 2: the, you know, 270 00:12:21,883 --> 00:12:24,364 Speaker 1: all the nightclubs she opened. I'm sad that that's still 271 00:12:24,364 --> 00:12:26,804 Speaker 1: like laying desolate and closed because that sounds like a 272 00:12:26,804 --> 00:12:27,224 Speaker 1: fun time. 273 00:12:27,364 --> 00:12:30,034 Speaker 2: But it, it just, it seems like she's kind of 274 00:12:30,034 --> 00:12:33,443 Speaker 2: gotten herself back to a point where she can turn 275 00:12:33,443 --> 00:12:33,643 Speaker 2: up a 276 00:12:33,693 --> 00:12:37,003 Speaker 2: Work on time and, you know, shoot these movies and 277 00:12:37,003 --> 00:12:39,453 Speaker 2: do these tours, and she seems like she's in a 278 00:12:39,453 --> 00:12:42,684 Speaker 2: significantly better place. It's a little bit of a shame 279 00:12:42,684 --> 00:12:45,864 Speaker 2: that it's focused just on her face, like, 280 00:12:45,874 --> 00:12:46,143 Speaker 1: yeah, 281 00:12:46,523 --> 00:12:51,354 Speaker 2: but also maybe like, don't lie about it. I know 282 00:12:51,354 --> 00:12:52,594 Speaker 2: it's obvious. I mean, we're 283 00:12:52,594 --> 00:12:52,914 Speaker 2: not. 284 00:12:53,364 --> 00:12:55,083 Speaker 1: Do you think she's had a face? Am I just 285 00:12:55,083 --> 00:12:57,284 Speaker 1: so naive? I always believe people when they're like, I 286 00:12:57,284 --> 00:13:00,284 Speaker 1: haven't had a facelift, because I just think maybe, I 287 00:13:00,284 --> 00:13:02,974 Speaker 1: know it's not all just beets and carrot juice, but 288 00:13:03,443 --> 00:13:04,244 Speaker 1: I don't know. 289 00:13:04,503 --> 00:13:08,263 Speaker 2: So there's this huge conspiracy theory happening, and this is 290 00:13:08,263 --> 00:13:12,744 Speaker 2: like deep, deep, deep conspiracy that this isn't faceless, like 291 00:13:12,744 --> 00:13:14,984 Speaker 2: all these celebrities are getting these like massive face things. 292 00:13:15,063 --> 00:13:17,414 Speaker 2: It's not, it's like selling their soul to the devil. 293 00:13:17,784 --> 00:13:18,844 Speaker 2: Like that, there's this like 294 00:13:18,893 --> 00:13:22,364 Speaker 2: Conspiracy theorists on TikTok talking about like selling their soul 295 00:13:22,364 --> 00:13:22,794 Speaker 2: to the devil. 296 00:13:23,624 --> 00:13:26,083 Speaker 1: I'm having a is it a facelift or is she 297 00:13:26,083 --> 00:13:27,693 Speaker 1: a satan worshiper? It's like, 298 00:13:28,003 --> 00:13:30,403 Speaker 2: this is seriously I don't know how I ended up 299 00:13:30,403 --> 00:13:32,213 Speaker 2: on this side of TikTok, which I think I think 300 00:13:32,213 --> 00:13:34,313 Speaker 2: it's obviously ridiculous, but 301 00:13:34,684 --> 00:13:36,323 Speaker 2: There's this whole thing of like, do you really think 302 00:13:36,323 --> 00:13:38,643 Speaker 2: it's just a face lift? A face lift can't do that. 303 00:13:38,844 --> 00:13:42,153 Speaker 2: They've done something else. They're selling their soul to the devil. 304 00:13:42,323 --> 00:13:46,604 Speaker 2: And it's like this whole, like, conspiracy theory, which I'm 305 00:13:46,604 --> 00:13:50,664 Speaker 2: not saying it is, but there is definitely something going on. 306 00:13:51,393 --> 00:13:53,794 Speaker 2: Whether or not it's been a full face lift or 307 00:13:53,794 --> 00:13:56,934 Speaker 2: it's been a ton of lasers, a little like, 308 00:13:57,354 --> 00:13:58,273 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, 309 00:13:58,434 --> 00:14:01,203 Speaker 2: who knows, but there's a lot more than pickle 310 00:14:01,203 --> 00:14:02,953 Speaker 1: baits. Oh my God. Can I just say I feel 311 00:14:02,953 --> 00:14:04,943 Speaker 1: a lot more comfortable selling my soul to the devil 312 00:14:04,943 --> 00:14:06,554 Speaker 1: than having a needle in my skin. I did not 313 00:14:06,554 --> 00:14:09,073 Speaker 1: even know that was an option. The only kind of thing. 314 00:14:09,693 --> 00:14:12,494 Speaker 1: It's like that's, sorry, that sounds much less painful, right? 315 00:14:12,573 --> 00:14:16,234 Speaker 1: At least in the short term, short term. Depends on your, 316 00:14:16,294 --> 00:14:19,534 Speaker 1: your beliefs. Yeah, that sounds like that's gonna be future 317 00:14:19,534 --> 00:14:22,374 Speaker 1: Laura's problem to deal with hell. But what was kind 318 00:14:22,374 --> 00:14:24,374 Speaker 1: of a red flag for me in this article is like, 319 00:14:24,534 --> 00:14:25,854 Speaker 1: Lindsay Loren, you don't have to tell us what you've 320 00:14:25,854 --> 00:14:28,734 Speaker 1: done with your face. But throughout the interview, she talks 321 00:14:28,734 --> 00:14:32,333 Speaker 1: about testing a lot of different products and potentially having 322 00:14:32,333 --> 00:14:35,013 Speaker 1: like development of products. So she's kind of hinting at 323 00:14:35,013 --> 00:14:36,874 Speaker 1: starting a skincare line, which 324 00:14:36,919 --> 00:14:38,429 Speaker 1: I feel like every celebrity just has to have a 325 00:14:38,429 --> 00:14:40,630 Speaker 1: skincare line at the moment. And that's where I draw 326 00:14:40,630 --> 00:14:42,789 Speaker 1: the line. Like, that's when I get angry at like 327 00:14:42,789 --> 00:14:45,539 Speaker 1: someone like a Jennifer Lopez saying she just uses olive oil, 328 00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:49,429 Speaker 1: but then says, buy my very expensive skincare products, or 329 00:14:49,429 --> 00:14:51,349 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian, who also says she hasn't had a lot 330 00:14:51,349 --> 00:14:54,190 Speaker 1: of work done, then saying, I just use these products 331 00:14:54,190 --> 00:14:56,109 Speaker 1: and you can buy them for hundreds of dollars. I 332 00:14:56,109 --> 00:14:58,229 Speaker 1: was like, it's, you don't have to tell us, but 333 00:14:58,229 --> 00:15:01,109 Speaker 1: then don't sell a product and say that this is 334 00:15:01,109 --> 00:15:04,229 Speaker 1: what you used when it was obvious. 335 00:15:04,565 --> 00:15:06,765 Speaker 1: like lasers or something else. But I do think her 336 00:15:06,765 --> 00:15:09,276 Speaker 1: and her team have like come on this press tour 337 00:15:09,276 --> 00:15:12,086 Speaker 1: with like a plan in motion, because in some of 338 00:15:12,086 --> 00:15:15,445 Speaker 1: these interviews, Lindsay Lohan's publicist jumps in. That's yeah, 339 00:15:16,526 --> 00:15:18,755 Speaker 2: that's always a really big red flag for me. And 340 00:15:18,755 --> 00:15:20,606 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've experienced this when you've been 341 00:15:20,606 --> 00:15:24,726 Speaker 2: doing interviews with celebrities. When a publicist jumps in, that's 342 00:15:24,726 --> 00:15:28,166 Speaker 2: a really big deal. They will often not they will 343 00:15:28,166 --> 00:15:30,966 Speaker 2: not interrupt an interview unless they really feel like they 344 00:15:30,966 --> 00:15:31,685 Speaker 2: have to. 345 00:15:32,073 --> 00:15:34,484 Speaker 2: I've had it happen to me once, and it was, 346 00:15:34,544 --> 00:15:35,684 Speaker 2: it was almost like a 347 00:15:36,323 --> 00:15:40,364 Speaker 2: Stop. Yeah. And, and that's what this publicist kind of did. 348 00:15:40,393 --> 00:15:42,104 Speaker 2: It's like, Well, no, no, she doesn't have any time 349 00:15:42,104 --> 00:15:42,184 Speaker 2: for 350 00:15:42,184 --> 00:15:42,463 Speaker 2: that. 351 00:15:42,544 --> 00:15:44,424 Speaker 1: Yes. It was really weird because I guess it's a, 352 00:15:44,503 --> 00:15:46,383 Speaker 1: it was almost like a celebrity interview. It's not like 353 00:15:46,383 --> 00:15:48,184 Speaker 1: when like normal people like us are doing an interview 354 00:15:48,184 --> 00:15:49,903 Speaker 1: and they come in and say, Next question, or she's 355 00:15:49,903 --> 00:15:52,224 Speaker 1: not talking about that. It was like, almost like a 356 00:15:52,224 --> 00:15:56,823 Speaker 1: pre-rehearsed bit reading between the lines where her publicist was like, Yeah, like, 357 00:15:56,903 --> 00:15:58,744 Speaker 1: you know, every time a woman comes out and she's 358 00:15:58,744 --> 00:16:01,304 Speaker 1: looked after herself, someone has to jump in and say 359 00:16:01,304 --> 00:16:02,474 Speaker 1: she's had a facelift, and it's really 360 00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:05,419 Speaker 1: awful, and we kind of pit people against each other, 361 00:16:05,429 --> 00:16:07,349 Speaker 1: and Lindsay's like, Yeah, it's so weird. And then the 362 00:16:07,349 --> 00:16:10,549 Speaker 1: publisher says, Oh my God, Linds, I went through your 363 00:16:10,549 --> 00:16:12,870 Speaker 1: schedule when this story came out about your face, and 364 00:16:12,870 --> 00:16:15,710 Speaker 1: I was trying to work out when you possibly would 365 00:16:15,710 --> 00:16:18,510 Speaker 1: have had this work done. Like, your schedule doesn't allow it. 366 00:16:18,669 --> 00:16:20,669 Speaker 1: And Lindsay's like, Oh my gosh, I know. Every time 367 00:16:20,669 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: I see these headlines that I've had a face leak, 368 00:16:22,349 --> 00:16:25,070 Speaker 1: I think, with what time? And they both laugh and 369 00:16:25,070 --> 00:16:28,630 Speaker 1: move on. And I'm like, Guys, that's a pre-rehearsed skit. 370 00:16:28,726 --> 00:16:32,065 Speaker 1: Yes. What do you mean? And also, as if, like, again, obviously, if, 371 00:16:32,276 --> 00:16:34,705 Speaker 1: if something has happened with Eske, you decided not to 372 00:16:34,705 --> 00:16:37,075 Speaker 1: say it, that's fine. But don't say your schedule doesn't 373 00:16:37,075 --> 00:16:40,875 Speaker 1: allow because that's such an easy thing for you guys 374 00:16:40,875 --> 00:16:42,796 Speaker 1: to fake. You know what I mean? Like, the thing is, 375 00:16:42,836 --> 00:16:44,075 Speaker 1: of course, she's had time to have it done if 376 00:16:44,075 --> 00:16:44,786 Speaker 1: she wanted to. 377 00:16:45,236 --> 00:16:45,836 Speaker 2: She's a very, 378 00:16:45,916 --> 00:16:47,995 Speaker 1: like, private celebrity a lot of the time. She lives 379 00:16:47,995 --> 00:16:51,885 Speaker 1: in Dubai where there's not paparazzi activity. Like she 100% 380 00:16:51,885 --> 00:16:53,755 Speaker 1: could have got a facelift, if that, if that's what 381 00:16:53,755 --> 00:16:54,115 Speaker 1: she did. 382 00:16:54,156 --> 00:16:54,786 Speaker 2: Do you know what? 383 00:16:55,573 --> 00:16:58,174 Speaker 2: All power to her. I think she looks great. I 384 00:16:58,174 --> 00:17:01,854 Speaker 2: love Freaky Friday movies, so excited to see the second one, 385 00:17:02,213 --> 00:17:05,013 Speaker 2: and maybe she will down the line, admit that she's 386 00:17:05,013 --> 00:17:06,213 Speaker 2: had something done. 387 00:17:07,784 --> 00:17:10,534 Speaker 1: So it's been nearly 2 years since Deborah Lee Furness 388 00:17:10,534 --> 00:17:12,893 Speaker 1: and Hugh Jackman shocked us. And I don't use that 389 00:17:12,893 --> 00:17:15,203 Speaker 1: lightly because I don't know if you were shocked, but 390 00:17:15,494 --> 00:17:17,594 Speaker 1: very little in the celebrity world shocks me, but I 391 00:17:17,594 --> 00:17:20,724 Speaker 1: was quite taken aback when their divorce statement came out 392 00:17:20,724 --> 00:17:21,614 Speaker 1: a few years ago. 393 00:17:21,854 --> 00:17:23,774 Speaker 2: I was heartbroken. 394 00:17:24,333 --> 00:17:25,573 Speaker 1: I did not know where you were going with that. 395 00:17:25,693 --> 00:17:30,264 Speaker 2: I, I am like a huge, Hugh Jackman fan. Huge, huge, huge, 396 00:17:30,374 --> 00:17:31,244 Speaker 2: and 397 00:17:31,724 --> 00:17:35,364 Speaker 2: One of my favorite interviews ever has been with Hugh 398 00:17:35,364 --> 00:17:35,854 Speaker 2: Jackman. 399 00:17:36,323 --> 00:17:38,404 Speaker 1: He's so genuinely nice. He looks you in the eye 400 00:17:38,404 --> 00:17:40,433 Speaker 1: when you're talking to him like you're a real person. 401 00:17:40,604 --> 00:17:44,354 Speaker 2: I did an interview with him, and he had laryngitis, 402 00:17:45,124 --> 00:17:47,673 Speaker 2: and he still came over and like kissed me hello, 403 00:17:47,683 --> 00:17:49,124 Speaker 2: and I was like, Oh, no, no, no, don't. And 404 00:17:49,124 --> 00:17:52,904 Speaker 2: he still came over, and this germaphobe, but he like, 405 00:17:53,283 --> 00:17:57,234 Speaker 2: was so sweet and genuinely kind. So when I heard this, 406 00:17:57,283 --> 00:17:59,004 Speaker 2: I was really heartbroken. 407 00:17:59,184 --> 00:18:01,944 Speaker 2: We know there's been all these rumors about him being gay. 408 00:18:02,114 --> 00:18:02,454 Speaker 2: Oh, 409 00:18:02,974 --> 00:18:05,535 Speaker 1: I hated that. I hated how people think they know. Like, 410 00:18:05,655 --> 00:18:07,175 Speaker 1: they're like, Oh, I just know. I'm like, do you? 411 00:18:07,214 --> 00:18:09,135 Speaker 1: I don't think you know much. I love how everyone 412 00:18:09,135 --> 00:18:11,694 Speaker 1: who's met Hugh Jackman has a good Hugh Jackman story. 413 00:18:11,775 --> 00:18:13,574 Speaker 1: Like mine was, I was interviewing once and I got 414 00:18:13,574 --> 00:18:15,574 Speaker 1: up and my dress was like got caught on like 415 00:18:15,574 --> 00:18:17,175 Speaker 1: a thing on the chair, and he came over and 416 00:18:17,175 --> 00:18:19,255 Speaker 1: like unraveled it for me. And I was so embarrassed 417 00:18:19,255 --> 00:18:20,814 Speaker 1: because I couldn't get up. And he was just like 418 00:18:20,814 --> 00:18:22,454 Speaker 1: chatting away and he did it, and then like, and 419 00:18:22,454 --> 00:18:24,724 Speaker 1: I've met Deborah Lee like really briefly once too, and 420 00:18:24,724 --> 00:18:26,824 Speaker 1: she was lovely. So, again, it's just 421 00:18:26,875 --> 00:18:27,906 Speaker 2: I feel very I know 422 00:18:27,906 --> 00:18:31,865 Speaker 2: it does, because I really, really adore Hugh Jackman. Look, 423 00:18:31,906 --> 00:18:35,105 Speaker 2: the breakdown of any relationship is difficult. It's never gonna 424 00:18:35,105 --> 00:18:37,706 Speaker 2: be straightforward, no matter how much people say that it's 425 00:18:37,706 --> 00:18:41,906 Speaker 2: an amicable split, there are going to be, like, issues. 426 00:18:42,186 --> 00:18:45,186 Speaker 1: Exactly. So when their first statement came out nearly 2 427 00:18:45,186 --> 00:18:48,265 Speaker 1: years ago now, it was very much like, we love 428 00:18:48,265 --> 00:18:51,225 Speaker 1: each other, we love our children together, our lives have 429 00:18:51,225 --> 00:18:54,225 Speaker 1: gone in different ways. And then Deborah Lee, there's been 430 00:18:54,225 --> 00:18:54,515 Speaker 1: a lot of 431 00:18:54,677 --> 00:18:58,427 Speaker 1: Kind of whispers behind the scenes that she was blindsided 432 00:18:58,427 --> 00:19:01,116 Speaker 1: by the marriage breakdown. And there was also that moment 433 00:19:01,116 --> 00:19:04,957 Speaker 1: where one of her friends, like, liked a comment around 434 00:19:04,957 --> 00:19:07,356 Speaker 1: someone defending her and people thought that was an admission, 435 00:19:07,437 --> 00:19:10,516 Speaker 1: but she actually hasn't said anything until now, until she's 436 00:19:10,516 --> 00:19:13,906 Speaker 1: now officially filed for divorce from Hugh Jackman, and then 437 00:19:13,906 --> 00:19:17,396 Speaker 1: she released this statement to the Daily Mail. And you 438 00:19:17,396 --> 00:19:19,477 Speaker 1: don't even really have to read between the lines to 439 00:19:19,477 --> 00:19:21,636 Speaker 1: see that something is going on here, because in the statement, 440 00:19:21,717 --> 00:19:22,116 Speaker 1: she says, 441 00:19:22,488 --> 00:19:25,047 Speaker 1: My heart and compassion goes out to everyone who has 442 00:19:25,047 --> 00:19:29,567 Speaker 1: traversed the traumatic journey of betrayal. It's a profound wound 443 00:19:29,567 --> 00:19:32,767 Speaker 1: that cuts deep. However, I believe in a higher power 444 00:19:32,767 --> 00:19:35,567 Speaker 1: and God in the universe, and whatever relates to you 445 00:19:35,567 --> 00:19:38,807 Speaker 1: as your guidance, it is always working for us. This 446 00:19:38,807 --> 00:19:41,618 Speaker 1: belief has helped me navigate the breakdown of an almost 447 00:19:41,618 --> 00:19:44,767 Speaker 1: 3 decade marriage. And then she goes on to talk 448 00:19:44,767 --> 00:19:47,437 Speaker 1: about like the knowledge she's gained and said, it can hurt, 449 00:19:47,567 --> 00:19:49,897 Speaker 1: but in the long run, returning to yourself and 450 00:19:50,019 --> 00:19:52,818 Speaker 1: Living within your own integrity and values and boundaries is 451 00:19:52,818 --> 00:19:58,009 Speaker 1: liberation and freedom. That line saying that journey of betrayal is, well, 452 00:19:58,019 --> 00:20:00,379 Speaker 1: it pretty much is confirmation of what people have thought 453 00:20:00,379 --> 00:20:03,058 Speaker 1: for a long time, because the elephant in the room 454 00:20:03,058 --> 00:20:06,249 Speaker 1: is that after their divorce was announced, there were always 455 00:20:06,249 --> 00:20:10,088 Speaker 1: whispers that Hugh Jackman and Broadway and TV star Sutton Foster, 456 00:20:10,219 --> 00:20:12,068 Speaker 1: who I've also met and is lovely. I just, 457 00:20:12,099 --> 00:20:12,948 Speaker 2: this is a really cool 458 00:20:12,948 --> 00:20:15,818 Speaker 2: story. I also love Sutton Foster, so this is really challenging. 459 00:20:16,338 --> 00:20:16,849 Speaker 2: But her voice 460 00:20:16,849 --> 00:20:17,529 Speaker 1: is amazing. 461 00:20:18,004 --> 00:20:18,854 Speaker 2: And have you watched 462 00:20:18,854 --> 00:20:21,264 Speaker 1: Younger? Um, obviously it's my favorite show. That's how I 463 00:20:21,264 --> 00:20:22,864 Speaker 1: met her. I went to New York for one night. 464 00:20:22,943 --> 00:20:24,904 Speaker 1: I went to Australia, from Australia to New York for 465 00:20:24,904 --> 00:20:25,663 Speaker 1: one night. 466 00:20:26,344 --> 00:20:27,423 Speaker 1: to talk to her. 467 00:20:28,624 --> 00:20:31,384 Speaker 2: Foster, if you haven't watched Younger, she's obviously really big 468 00:20:31,384 --> 00:20:35,144 Speaker 2: on TV now, but, but a really, really well known 469 00:20:35,144 --> 00:20:38,293 Speaker 2: Broadway star. Like she is one of the most talented 470 00:20:38,813 --> 00:20:42,823 Speaker 2: performers on Broadway. Amazing voice, amazing dancer, you know, has 471 00:20:42,823 --> 00:20:45,744 Speaker 2: kind of gone into TV as well. But the rumors 472 00:20:45,744 --> 00:20:49,504 Speaker 2: surrounding her and Hugh were like rampant, especially because they 473 00:20:49,504 --> 00:20:50,654 Speaker 2: kept sort of talking about. 474 00:20:50,984 --> 00:20:54,244 Speaker 2: not openly admitting that there was a relationship, but, you know, 475 00:20:54,463 --> 00:20:57,813 Speaker 2: a love of friendship, a friendship love. That was kind 476 00:20:57,813 --> 00:21:03,213 Speaker 2: of talked about consistently. I think what we can kind of, again, 477 00:21:03,344 --> 00:21:05,254 Speaker 2: we're reading between the lines here, but not really. 478 00:21:06,474 --> 00:21:06,693 Speaker 1: This 479 00:21:06,693 --> 00:21:11,533 Speaker 2: betrayal thing here tells me, and this is again, speculation, 480 00:21:11,943 --> 00:21:15,583 Speaker 2: tells me that Hugh and Sutton start a relationship. 481 00:21:16,974 --> 00:21:20,423 Speaker 2: Deborah found out about it, and their marriage broke down. 482 00:21:22,134 --> 00:21:22,874 Speaker 2: In. It does feel like 483 00:21:22,874 --> 00:21:25,813 Speaker 1: that. And there's so many layers here because Hugh and 484 00:21:25,813 --> 00:21:28,213 Speaker 1: Sutton had been friends for many, many years, but like 485 00:21:28,213 --> 00:21:30,963 Speaker 1: couple friends with her husband and also with Deborah. Like, 486 00:21:31,014 --> 00:21:33,923 Speaker 1: these families went on holidays together. Like that's how close 487 00:21:33,923 --> 00:21:36,703 Speaker 1: they were for such a long period of time. Again, 488 00:21:36,774 --> 00:21:38,894 Speaker 1: which just cuts so much deeper. This is the betrayal 489 00:21:38,894 --> 00:21:41,864 Speaker 1: she's talking about. And then obviously, Hugh and Sutton starred 490 00:21:41,864 --> 00:21:44,443 Speaker 1: in the revival of the Music Man together on Broadway. 491 00:21:44,774 --> 00:21:46,333 Speaker 1: And there were so many rumors. 492 00:21:46,438 --> 00:21:49,349 Speaker 1: but again, maybe I'm naive. I believe people when they 493 00:21:49,349 --> 00:21:51,308 Speaker 1: say they haven't had a facelift, I believe people when 494 00:21:51,308 --> 00:21:53,548 Speaker 1: they say they're not cheating, because they just said we're 495 00:21:53,548 --> 00:21:56,509 Speaker 1: such good friends. And I did believe that people who 496 00:21:56,509 --> 00:21:58,629 Speaker 1: have been friends for 20 years and go on holidays 497 00:21:58,629 --> 00:22:01,499 Speaker 1: together would just hug on a red carpet and would just, 498 00:22:01,509 --> 00:22:02,038 Speaker 2: yeah, I, 499 00:22:02,139 --> 00:22:04,308 Speaker 2: I, I understand where you're coming from because you have 500 00:22:04,308 --> 00:22:05,438 Speaker 2: a good heart and a good soul. 501 00:22:05,548 --> 00:22:06,389 Speaker 1: I know, but it's not helping me out. 502 00:22:06,649 --> 00:22:09,698 Speaker 2: I know. But see, I, I think what's happened here 503 00:22:09,698 --> 00:22:13,029 Speaker 2: is it's a friendship that's obviously developed into so much more. 504 00:22:13,109 --> 00:22:15,948 Speaker 2: And this isn't like a new story. This happens to people. 505 00:22:16,423 --> 00:22:18,063 Speaker 2: All the time. I mean, how many times have you 506 00:22:18,063 --> 00:22:21,384 Speaker 2: heard of stories of people running off with their spouse's 507 00:22:21,384 --> 00:22:24,884 Speaker 2: best friend? Like, this stuff does happen. It doesn't make 508 00:22:24,884 --> 00:22:29,053 Speaker 2: it easy. And I am not saying what Hugh Jackman 509 00:22:29,053 --> 00:22:33,004 Speaker 2: and Sutton, cause obviously, Sutton's marriage ended as well. 510 00:22:33,494 --> 00:22:36,524 Speaker 2: So this is the breakup of two families. I'm not 511 00:22:36,524 --> 00:22:39,953 Speaker 2: saying that it's a good thing, but it's almost like 512 00:22:40,244 --> 00:22:43,374 Speaker 2: maybe this is just what they both needed to be. 513 00:22:43,644 --> 00:22:46,533 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean, they did look, so then after 514 00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:48,963 Speaker 1: his divorce had been announced from Deborah and her divorce 515 00:22:48,963 --> 00:22:51,963 Speaker 1: from her husband had been announced like quite far before this. 516 00:22:52,083 --> 00:22:54,004 Speaker 1: That's the other thing too, like, you know, we don't 517 00:22:54,004 --> 00:22:56,244 Speaker 1: know the exact timeline, but it did look that they 518 00:22:56,244 --> 00:22:59,244 Speaker 1: were both separated for a certain period of time before 519 00:22:59,244 --> 00:23:02,283 Speaker 1: those stage paparazzi photos come out. Do those photos. They 520 00:23:02,283 --> 00:23:02,354 Speaker 1: were 521 00:23:02,631 --> 00:23:05,192 Speaker 1: So, they look like they're out of a rom-com. And 522 00:23:05,192 --> 00:23:07,511 Speaker 1: they were so clearly, you know, the two of them 523 00:23:07,511 --> 00:23:09,751 Speaker 1: walking down the road together, like her hair and makeup's done. 524 00:23:09,832 --> 00:23:12,472 Speaker 1: She looks beautiful, they're smiling. They're doing that thing when 525 00:23:12,472 --> 00:23:14,942 Speaker 1: celebrities 100% know they're being papped when they're sitting up, 526 00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:18,041 Speaker 1: they're standing up really straight and all their angles are perfect, 527 00:23:18,231 --> 00:23:20,751 Speaker 1: which is in such a stark contrast to a few 528 00:23:20,751 --> 00:23:23,661 Speaker 1: days later, where they were definitely packed without their knowledge, 529 00:23:24,151 --> 00:23:25,832 Speaker 1: because they're sitting in a car and then they're also 530 00:23:25,832 --> 00:23:28,472 Speaker 1: in a parking garage, and like, their body language is different, 531 00:23:28,552 --> 00:23:31,261 Speaker 1: the angles are so different. But that first kind of 532 00:23:31,309 --> 00:23:34,809 Speaker 1: Coming out photos of them were so staged with People magazine. 533 00:23:35,020 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: And like, Hugh Jackman hasn't said anything yet about this 534 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,099 Speaker 1: statement from Deborah, where she's almost confirmed betrayal. But People 535 00:23:42,099 --> 00:23:46,300 Speaker 1: magazine did publish a story quoting sources, saying that Hugh 536 00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:48,500 Speaker 1: was like quite devastated that she had put that statement 537 00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:50,979 Speaker 1: out into the world, and he can't believe that she 538 00:23:50,979 --> 00:23:54,579 Speaker 1: would put this story out there. And it would sound 539 00:23:54,579 --> 00:23:57,380 Speaker 1: like it was a made up story, except that Hugh 540 00:23:57,380 --> 00:24:00,099 Speaker 1: Jackman and Sutton Foster confirmed their relationship. 541 00:24:00,448 --> 00:24:04,887 Speaker 1: with people via paparazzi photos, and they have previously confirmed 542 00:24:04,887 --> 00:24:07,328 Speaker 1: other stories with both of them. Like Sutton Foster also 543 00:24:07,328 --> 00:24:09,927 Speaker 1: gave them the exclusive about like her adopting her child 544 00:24:09,927 --> 00:24:13,238 Speaker 1: and all these other things. So it almost seems 100% 545 00:24:13,238 --> 00:24:15,767 Speaker 1: certain that statement is from Hugh and Sutton. 546 00:24:16,387 --> 00:24:20,157 Speaker 2: And the other thing is, Hugh Jackman has cultivated a 547 00:24:20,157 --> 00:24:23,437 Speaker 2: nice guy image for many years. And I still believe 548 00:24:23,437 --> 00:24:25,057 Speaker 2: that he is a nice guy and I still really, 549 00:24:25,078 --> 00:24:26,358 Speaker 2: really adore him. Well yeah, like 550 00:24:26,358 --> 00:24:27,968 Speaker 1: people can fall in love with someone else. Well, and 551 00:24:27,968 --> 00:24:29,007 Speaker 2: also nice people. 552 00:24:29,125 --> 00:24:32,475 Speaker 2: You can still fuck up. You know? Like, and I'm 553 00:24:32,475 --> 00:24:35,625 Speaker 2: not defending anyone here. I'm, I 100%, I can understand 554 00:24:35,625 --> 00:24:39,066 Speaker 2: if why Deborah Lee Furness would be so upset about this, 555 00:24:39,355 --> 00:24:42,515 Speaker 2: especially after 30 years of marriage. But I think it's 556 00:24:42,515 --> 00:24:45,885 Speaker 2: probably very difficult for Hugh to be put on this, like, 557 00:24:45,956 --> 00:24:47,706 Speaker 2: getting this like negative PR. 558 00:24:48,235 --> 00:24:51,066 Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when they work so hard, like he and Sutton, 559 00:24:51,235 --> 00:24:51,916 Speaker 1: apparently they were 560 00:24:51,916 --> 00:24:53,235 Speaker 2: dating for this 561 00:24:53,235 --> 00:24:54,296 Speaker 2: very nice girl 562 00:24:54,296 --> 00:24:57,985 Speaker 1: kind of nice girl image. Allegedly they dated quite 563 00:24:58,404 --> 00:25:00,614 Speaker 1: behind the scenes for over a year and never let 564 00:25:00,614 --> 00:25:03,734 Speaker 1: themselves be photographed. Then they had that very careful rollout, 565 00:25:03,943 --> 00:25:06,264 Speaker 1: and now it feels like people were getting very invested 566 00:25:06,264 --> 00:25:08,504 Speaker 1: in their love story, and they had forgotten about the 567 00:25:08,504 --> 00:25:12,344 Speaker 1: Deborah Lee Furna betrayals angle of it. And I think 568 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:14,624 Speaker 1: it's really telling that she's chosen to put that out 569 00:25:14,624 --> 00:25:17,384 Speaker 1: there because she could have gone a completely different route, 570 00:25:17,423 --> 00:25:20,533 Speaker 1: but obviously, that's the story that she wants people to know. 571 00:25:20,823 --> 00:25:22,783 Speaker 1: And I get that. And it's just an interesting way 572 00:25:22,783 --> 00:25:24,614 Speaker 1: to kind of to frame it and put it out there. 573 00:25:24,703 --> 00:25:24,984 Speaker 2: And 574 00:25:24,984 --> 00:25:26,904 Speaker 2: she's allowed to talk about her 575 00:25:27,904 --> 00:25:30,083 Speaker 2: Exactly, both of it is valid. 576 00:25:30,224 --> 00:25:32,344 Speaker 1: I don't think she'll do a book or anything, but God, 577 00:25:32,374 --> 00:25:33,943 Speaker 1: I want that. I just want, I find her such 578 00:25:33,943 --> 00:25:36,864 Speaker 1: a fascinating, clever person, and I just would love to 579 00:25:36,864 --> 00:25:39,624 Speaker 1: hear this whole story in like her words. 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