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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is MMA MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 3: news podcast. The Quickie celebrities aren't just dropping new albums

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Speaker 3: or launching beauty brands anymore. They're showing us the full

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Speaker 3: receipts of their plastic surgery. But is this new era

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Speaker 3: of transparency actually a win for the rest of us

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Speaker 3: or just a new kind of pressure in disguise. Before

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Speaker 3: we get there, here's Claire Murphy with the latest from

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Speaker 3: the Quickie newsroom for Friday, July eleven.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor. There are concerns a sweeping plan to tackle

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Speaker 2: anti Semitism will stifle legitimate criticisms about Israel here in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Recommendations in a report from Australia's Special Envoy to combat

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Speaker 2: anti Semitism, Jillian Siegel, are being considered by the Federal

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Speaker 2: government as it examines ways to combat a surgeon discrimination

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Speaker 2: against Jewish Australian Since the start the War in Gaza,

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Speaker 2: threats of vandalism and physical violence against Jewish Australians tripling

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Speaker 2: between October twenty twenty three and September twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: While it suggests embedding Holocaust education into school curricula and

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Speaker 2: strengthening legislation against hateful conduct, the report also recommends terminating

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Speaker 2: or withholding funds from universities, broadcasters, and cultural institutions that

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Speaker 2: failed to address anti semitism, and deporting and canceling visas

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Speaker 2: of immigrants who've been involved in discrimination against Jewish people.

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Speaker 2: The National Union of Students president Ashlyn Houghton says most

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Speaker 2: student activists who've been part of the Palestine movement have

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Speaker 2: never been anti Semitic, but are just concerned about the

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Speaker 2: genocide in Gaza and their university's involvement in weapons manufacturing.

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Speaker 2: The Australian Palestine Advocacy Network also warned that First Nations, Palestinian,

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Speaker 2: Arab and Muslim communities would be disproportionately harmed by the plan.

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Speaker 2: The Jewish Council of Australia executive officer Matt Kaiser labeled

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Speaker 2: the report bought a blueprint for silencing descent, and his

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Speaker 2: organization said the emphasis on surveillance, censorship, and punitive control

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Speaker 2: over funding was straight out of Trump's authoritarian playbook, but

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Speaker 2: other Jewish groups, including the Australia Israel and Jewish Affairs Council,

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Speaker 2: The car belonging to a missing German backpacker has been found,

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Speaker 2: but her whereabouts remain a mystery. Carolina Wilger was last

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Speaker 2: around midday on June twenty nine. The twenty six year old,

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Speaker 2: who had been traveling and working in Australia for two years,

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Speaker 2: told friends she intended to explore regional Wa. Police found

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Speaker 2: Miss Wilga's abandoned black and silver mits of Ishi van

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Speaker 2: on Thursday, around one hundred and fifty kilometers from Beacon.

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Speaker 2: It's believed to have suffered a mechanical issue. Carolina's family

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Speaker 2: has been set up. As police scoured the nearby Karen

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Speaker 2: access your inbox. This morning, with Microsoft posting its having issues,

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Speaker 2: later shared it was deploying a fix but affected systems

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Speaker 2: The Florida County Medical Examiner's Office cremation report for Ossie

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Speaker 2: actor Julian McMahon has confirmed his cause of death as

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Speaker 2: McMahon's wife, Kelly, released a statement back on July four,

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Speaker 2: McMahon's former Charmed co star Alissa Milano has called for

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Speaker 2: fans to stop sharing AI generated tributes to the Star,

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Speaker 2: saying she loves and appreciates the charmed fans so much,

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Speaker 2: but to please stop using AI to fabricate emotion from

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Speaker 2: Julian McMahon's death, saying it's totally unnecessary when there are

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Speaker 2: real moments you can use from his nearly thirty five

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Speaker 2: She also called on those who would seek to comment

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Speaker 1: Thanks Claire.

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Speaker 3: Next, why celebrities are suddenly spilling their surgery secrets? There

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Speaker 3: was a time when asking a celebrity if they had

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Speaker 3: when Kim Kardashian was repeatedly called out for allegedly having

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Speaker 2: Who the hell of a normal person gets better plants?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to prove them wrong, get

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Speaker 3: Plastic surgery was the ultimate secret. If you had a

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Speaker 3: all changed. It started with Kylie Jenner, who, after years

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Speaker 3: TikToker who simply asked for them.

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Speaker 3: She spelled out the exact details of her breast implants,

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Speaker 3: then suddenly the floodgates opened. Chloe Kardashian followed up with

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Speaker 3: a full list of her procedures, from a nose job

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Speaker 3: salmon sperm facial. If you want to know more about that,

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Speaker 3: I'll link the episode of You Beauty for all your

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Speaker 3: listening pleasure. No big reveal, no drama, just a matter

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Speaker 3: And it's not just the Kardashians. Reality stars like Kristin

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Speaker 1: I'm forty two. I don't have a line on my face.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's not because I get eight hour

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Speaker 3: That's Beg Judd promoting her new beauty podcast while on

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Speaker 3: Stella's Something to talk about even she's confirming it's not

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Speaker 1: As you've gathered.

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Speaker 3: The vibe of all these reveals is candid and casual.

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Speaker 1: So why the shift.

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Speaker 3: US Plastic surgeon doctor Lara Devgunn says the culture has

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Speaker 3: moved from secrecy and shame to empowerment and ownership. Celebrities

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Speaker 3: their credibility by being honest about what it takes to

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Speaker 3: But here's the catch. The new honesty isn't just about

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Speaker 3: it's you too, can look like this if you're willing

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Speaker 3: She's shaping the narrative, controlling the conversation, and in some ways,

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Speaker 3: making these procedures seem as routine as getting a haircut.

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Speaker 3: But followers are eating it up, with comment sections full

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Speaker 3: And for younger fans, it's a whole new world. Instead

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Speaker 3: Sydney plastic surgeon doctor Catherine Borer points out, a facelift

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Speaker 1: Social media can make it look.

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Speaker 3: Easy, but the reality is it's a lot more complicated,

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Speaker 3: and with celebrities normalizing tweakments and preventative procedures in your twenties,

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Speaker 3: the pressure to keep up only grows. For many, the

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Speaker 3: standard hasn't disappeared, it's just evolved. Mumma MIA's senior lifestyle

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Speaker 1: Through all of these celebrity revelations.

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Speaker 4: The main reason is that we as fans and as consumers,

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Speaker 4: accept the narrative that you know, looking like that is

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Speaker 4: and we're all feeling that, and we're all looking and

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Speaker 4: feeling great, but we don't look like that. There is

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Speaker 4: a type of credibility as well that comes with these

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Speaker 4: types of confessions. You know, we're like, oh, thank goodness,

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to connect with my fans. But we do

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Speaker 3: What does that do to us on a deeper level though,

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Speaker 3: Like should it make us feel better knowing just how

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Speaker 3: much these people have done to get to that stage.

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Speaker 1: Or should it make us feel worse?

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Speaker 3: Because it's like, well, unless you are a multimillionaire and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's kind of a double edged sword, right.

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Speaker 4: It's great that no one's pretending. Let's remove the stigma,

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Speaker 4: and also everyone is allowed to do whatever they want

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Speaker 4: to their bodies, to their faces, whatever makes you feel

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Speaker 4: good if it's done for the reasons. But now there's

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Speaker 4: kind of this idea that the perfect face or the

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Speaker 4: perfect body is just a few procedures away. So it's

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Speaker 4: kind of like a step by step instruction if you will,

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Speaker 4: of hey, this is why I look this way, and

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Speaker 4: you can get it too. I feel like it's an

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Speaker 4: informotional but you know, there's transparency, and then there's this

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Speaker 4: pressure that comes with it because now everyone's doing it,

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Speaker 4: everyone's confessing, and we can just see how prevalent it is.

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Speaker 4: Plastic surgery is no longer to boo. But the pressure

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, right, because Kylie Jenner was praised as like

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Speaker 3: she had the breast augmentation. But is that a good

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, thank goodness, young girls don't think that

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Speaker 4: that's the result of lipliner and good conjuring. I mean

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Speaker 4: It wasn't the destigmatization and normalization like they can make

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Speaker 4: they require downtime, they required dissolvable stitches. They're painful, they hurt.

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Speaker 4: Even injectables can hurt. I think the more people talk

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Speaker 3: I guess celebrities have to walk that line right between

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Speaker 3: done recently. Is there a level of responsibility that these

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Speaker 3: celebs have to share that information like these people have

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Speaker 3: willingly done it, and you've mentioned maybe in part it's

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Speaker 3: a little bit strategic. It's a bit of credibility. If

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't call it a responsibility or like you have

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Speaker 4: I like this transparency in this conversation is when it

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Speaker 3: What about celebrities on the flip side, then, because there's

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Speaker 4: I mean it's an interesting dichotomy because you don't have

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Speaker 4: what I've had done, or what I'm doing plastic surgery

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Speaker 4: So I wouldn't say that there's a blanket rule of

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Speaker 3: The taboo is starting to diminish with every celebrity that

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Speaker 3: Allah Chris Jenner with that, though, does it shift the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there is kind of a feeling of

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Speaker 1: More and more blurry. Now.

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Speaker 4: The new standard isn't look how beautiful my natural face is,

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Speaker 4: It's look how beautiful my face is because I've had

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