Speaker 1: You're listening to a mother Mia podcast. Mama Miya acknowledges
Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
Speaker 1: is recorded on. I'm a lot. To be with me
Speaker 1: is a lot. This is fun.
Speaker 2: Day in day out, I get darkness, I go high,
Speaker 2: I go low. Of all the things.
Speaker 3: Se Les Barber is one of the most recognizable and
Speaker 3: genuinely beloved faces in the country. She's a comedian, an actor,
Speaker 3: a writer, a producer, a global touring sensation, and, depending
Speaker 3: who you ask, a feminist icon, a social media star,
Speaker 3: a mother, or simply the funny woman in big knickers
Speaker 3: pulling faces on Instagram. But behind all of that is
Speaker 3: someone who's spent years making sense of her own life,
Speaker 3: the chaos of her childhood, her ADHD diagnosis, the experience
Speaker 3: of being a wife and mum while the world watches,
Speaker 3: and what it means to be called real when you're
Speaker 3: living anything but an ordinary life. We talk about parenting,
Speaker 3: body image, social media fatigue, and how she's navigated life
Speaker 3: with a brain that works a little bit differently. Also
Speaker 3: how she's learnt to take a compliment. It wasn't easy,
Speaker 3: and through it all she's hilarious as always, but more
Speaker 3: than that she's honest, she's vulnerable and that thing we
Speaker 3: all love about her.
Speaker 4: She's one hundred percent real. I know because I touched her.
Speaker 3: This is a conversation about success, identity, the beauty and
Speaker 3: chaos of life, and the woman behind the accidental empire.
Speaker 4: Here is Celeste Barber.
Speaker 2: Look, we'll either have an amazing career when this comes out.
Speaker 4: I will both be canceled and what a rist what
Speaker 4: a sweet res same?
Speaker 1: Can someone cancel me so I can lie down time?
Speaker 4: I'm tired it? Celeste Barber, Hi, welcome to No Filter.
Speaker 1: It's nice to be here. We've already started, have you?
Speaker 3: We have started, but I just thought I'll do an introduction,
Speaker 3: of course, because we will be like, who is she?
Speaker 4: I've never seen that exactly?
Speaker 1: Exactly is that Ricky Lee? What's going on?
Speaker 4: You are?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: And then I mean I've always loved Ricky Lee. Yes,
Speaker 2: the reason she got voted out of Australian ID is
Speaker 2: because I was out of the country and you couldn't
Speaker 2: be I couldn't nineteen ten Ricky Lee. Yeah, the pipes
Speaker 2: on that girl.
Speaker 1: She's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, face to face met her A
Speaker 2: couple of months ago I did her radio show and
Speaker 2: it was just like, oh my god, we do look
Speaker 2: the same. Photos of people were like, wow, what's going on? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the same, which I take is a huge compliment.
Speaker 4: And how does she take it?
Speaker 1: I ask to take every compliment. Absolutely. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to pop my pills.
Speaker 3: Everyone else pop your pills, all right, and you know
Speaker 3: your pills are actually a conduit into a conversation about
Speaker 3: all of you.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because little Saliste tell me about little Celeste.
Speaker 1: Oh, little Celeste, you're more than New South Wales.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I live on the border.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're a tween. Yeah, because I'm from Queensland.
Speaker 1: Outrageous.
Speaker 3: And so a big night for us was to go
Speaker 3: to the twin Town Services collapse.
Speaker 4: Absolutely on the border. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I grew up in a place called Terranora, like
Speaker 1: a little little well, I.
Speaker 2: Was kind of a little bit more in the hills,
Speaker 2: but yeah, we're right near, right close to ten minutes
Speaker 2: to the beach.
Speaker 4: And so your mum cath your dad Neville.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and was he a nifty nifty me, he's the
Speaker 2: ultimate nifty Neville.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And my sister Olivia, yeahs older sister. Yeah, just the
Speaker 2: four of us.
Speaker 3: And I like it too now that your sister, older
Speaker 3: sister classic way kind of asserts herself now in the
Speaker 3: story of who we all know as Celese Barber, She's
Speaker 3: like I said to her, absolutely, you should do the
Speaker 3: truth about these posts.
Speaker 1: Definitely. She's also the funniest person.
Speaker 2: In any room myself, Like, she's so funny, and she's
Speaker 2: so brave and so loud, and like you're just in
Speaker 2: stitches when you're around her.
Speaker 1: She's funnier than I am.
Speaker 3: One and and so growing up you had this like
Speaker 3: You've got a beautiful family who understood you very well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the best they could with someone who a kid
Speaker 2: who's you know, near a divert adhd all of that
Speaker 2: and loud and you know, I'm a nineties baby, ll
Speaker 2: eighties baby, you know, grew up in the nineties and
Speaker 2: we didn't know what it was.
Speaker 1: I was just annoying.
Speaker 3: I was annoying and ostracized one hundred percent school. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And this is so brutal, but I think it's not
Speaker 3: an uncommon.
Speaker 4: Experience for people who end up working.
Speaker 3: In the creative arts in some capacity that this like
Speaker 3: what was it the force of your personality or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the the force of my personality, the energy
Speaker 2: around me, the energy that I would put out, the
Speaker 2: ideas that were in.
Speaker 1: Me that I just I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 2: Ostracized me because as a fifteen year old, like everyone,
Speaker 2: every teenager is fighting for their lives. They are true
Speaker 2: they I have a thirteen year old son at the moment,
Speaker 2: he's fighting for his life.
Speaker 1: It's a rough time, be neurodiverse or not.
Speaker 3: And you know what they tend to do, I think
Speaker 3: is hence there's a uniform There's a uniformity to how
Speaker 3: you dress, there's a uniformity to like what you listen
Speaker 3: to and what you do.
Speaker 1: What your opinions are on everything.
Speaker 3: And if you're not in step with the youth army,
Speaker 3: then it's like your bastard eyes like in the real army,
Speaker 3: and they pick off the Week, which I think is
Speaker 3: kind of a way of stopping everyone else from looking
Speaker 3: at you.
Speaker 2: Absolutely look at her. I mean, that's what I mean
Speaker 2: about everyone fighting for their lives. Even the people who
Speaker 2: were a part of that army, they're still freaking out.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, you see a week link and you
Speaker 2: go absolutely, let's focus over there so that spotlight isn't
Speaker 2: on me.
Speaker 1: I think that is definitely part of what happened.
Speaker 4: It's savage.
Speaker 2: And experience brutal, and it's un necessary. Like, I I
Speaker 2: know kids can be shit, you know, kids are brutal
Speaker 2: with each other, but the level of meanness, the level
Speaker 2: of like targeted attacks on kids who are different, is
Speaker 2: out of control. Like and I'm I'm really big advocate
Speaker 2: advocate for it now now that I'm older and my
Speaker 2: older son has ADHD and I see the struggles that
Speaker 2: he's going through as well, and.
Speaker 1: I'm onto the school all the time. I'm like, just.
Speaker 2: They hate they when my son started at school that
Speaker 2: of course now they're like, oh my god, I like
Speaker 2: the better when we could just follow you and you
Speaker 2: not come in and talk.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, there has.
Speaker 2: To be a lot, Like if there is a kid
Speaker 2: sitting alone, you have to interject. You cannot have one
Speaker 2: teacher on a school field at lunch times when all
Speaker 2: of this stuff is going down and these little ones
Speaker 2: are getting picked off.
Speaker 4: And seeing it or not.
Speaker 2: Especially with social media, these kids are just on their
Speaker 2: phones and the toxic masculinity that's going on that doesn't
Speaker 2: get policed in any way, and it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: it toughens them up. I just call absolute bullshit to that,
Speaker 2: like we have to, we have to interject earlier.
Speaker 4: But what were you at an all girls school?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: A co ed school? Yea and so? And that was
Speaker 4: pre social media data?
Speaker 2: Da?
Speaker 4: What form did it take that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: How was it exercised against you? There?
Speaker 2: It was very calculated. It was two girls, in particular, popular.
Speaker 4: Girls or school.
Speaker 2: They decided that I was ship and that no one
Speaker 2: was to talk to me.
Speaker 4: And did it happen like overnight?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got off the bus, right, I remember getting
Speaker 1: to school, got.
Speaker 2: Off the bus, went up and no one was talking
Speaker 2: to me, and as not as though you know, you've
Speaker 2: been texting or not.
Speaker 1: We didn't have phones.
Speaker 2: Then, we had landlines, so these girls must have put
Speaker 2: effort into call around.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: And I remember talking to a girl who was my
Speaker 2: friend who got caught up in it. She then didn't
Speaker 2: really talk to me either, but you know, because she
Speaker 2: got caught up in it, and I just remember her
Speaker 2: just going nuh it's and I remember exactly where I
Speaker 2: was and the feeling and everything just sunk when I
Speaker 2: was crying. She had just gotten off her bus and
Speaker 2: I ran down. I was like, what's going on, what's
Speaker 2: going on? And she was like, everyone ate a bitch,
Speaker 2: And I was like, and just that sinking feeling which
Speaker 2: you have anyway when you're a teenager, and then when
Speaker 2: you were a teenager that doesn't produce dopamine, so already
Speaker 2: goes I'm pretty shit, right, I'm shit that thing. You
Speaker 2: usually start your day like that and then the entire
Speaker 2: year goes yep, you are. That was I'll never forget
Speaker 2: that feeling.
Speaker 3: And how did you make yourself go to school? Like
Speaker 3: what was that process for you when you would wake
Speaker 3: up in the morning son's dopamine?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just think I'm a really, really resilient person. This
Speaker 2: is something I've learned about myself. And when I look
Speaker 2: back at little me, I'm like, you're really tough, mate.
Speaker 1: You did. Like It's also the nineties we all had
Speaker 1: to go to school.
Speaker 5: Remember those days, you know, it's like I think I
Speaker 5: have pneumonia, and my parents I was like, well, just
Speaker 5: go and see how you go, and see how you go,
Speaker 5: and if by lunch you don't feel well, go to
Speaker 5: the sick bay.
Speaker 2: Will come and you always just had You just had
Speaker 2: to go to school. It wasn't parents had to go
Speaker 2: to work. You had to go to school. And then
Speaker 2: I found drama. I found you know, the drama room
Speaker 2: and all.
Speaker 4: That because you were already a dancer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I danced, yeah, and then found drama, and I
Speaker 2: just I just went in.
Speaker 1: I just went into me. So I got a lot smaller.
Speaker 1: I made sure, you know.
Speaker 2: You make sure you see a lot sasel, be quiet,
Speaker 2: be invisible, and then they'll leave you alone. But a
Speaker 2: byproduct of that was I went in and went, what
Speaker 2: do I What do I like? No one else is
Speaker 2: going to hang with me, and I'm just going to
Speaker 2: hang with myself.
Speaker 1: What do I like? So I start writing jokes.
Speaker 2: Or I go to the drama room, or start like
Speaker 2: quoting Friends in my I love the show Friends and
Speaker 2: playing the characters.
Speaker 1: Out in my head.
Speaker 4: In Friends, by the way, Chandler, yeah, just smart.
Speaker 1: Us, just the constant as amost all of that. That's me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just I remember just kind of going
Speaker 2: inward and getting on with it. But it's interesting whenever
Speaker 2: I think about it. Things you know, we all go
Speaker 2: through in our lives, and I've had some big things happened,
Speaker 2: some tragedies and whatnot, as everyone has. But that's the
Speaker 2: one thing that sticks with me is that time of
Speaker 2: feeling so not just low and sad and ostracized, but
Speaker 2: the energy that went in to making sure I felt
Speaker 2: like that by an entire school year at school. And
Speaker 2: that's why with my my son, for example, I'm like,
Speaker 2: we aren't. This is not a rite of passage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it's.
Speaker 2: Sometimes well it did it got treat like that? Well,
Speaker 2: you just got a tough en up. You got to
Speaker 2: get through it. I mean, my parents did the best
Speaker 2: they could. My parents were always like, what's going on?
Speaker 4: How did they know? Your parents?
Speaker 2: I would tell you be okay, they would see, so
Speaker 2: you come home come yeah, like everyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I remember my mum asking one of the girls
Speaker 2: in a year who was still kind of talking to me.
Speaker 2: But it was hard for them as well. When you
Speaker 2: two girls tell you not to do something, you do
Speaker 2: it because then they'll if not, they'll be me on you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I remember my mum was saying to her quietly,
Speaker 2: going what did she do? Has she done something? What
Speaker 2: has she done?
Speaker 1: Like we can yeah, I know And Louise going, No,
Speaker 1: you know this. Everyone just hates Sally alone.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 3: I love that there's a redemption arc for you and
Speaker 3: your beautiful life and your beautiful family and your breadth
Speaker 3: of understanding of humanity, which informs actually a lot of
Speaker 3: your work.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like people always say online comments, you can get
Speaker 3: a thousand compliments, but that one, you know, nasty comment
Speaker 3: is the barb that will strike home. Yeah, and so
Speaker 3: I think if you've had that formative happening, it stays
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 2: It does, it stays with me, and it also is
Speaker 2: exacerbated sometimes in the way where I will look for
Speaker 2: that bad comment.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, you go, Yeah, basically great.
Speaker 1: It made me feel so much better about myself. I
Speaker 1: can't believe it was I knew it. I knew it.
Speaker 2: See, that's that's them seeing the real me. It's weird,
Speaker 2: isn't it. I think, what is that need that we have?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is that need? Why? It's It's masochistic, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's like, why am.
Speaker 2: I trying to hurt myself in this moment? Why can't
Speaker 2: I just take the wins? I'm working very hard and
Speaker 2: very successfully on that on celebrating the wins. I've been
Speaker 2: talking with my husband about it. Actually, I'm like, we
Speaker 2: need to lean in to the joy. We need to
Speaker 2: lean into because I just think, you know, especially with.
Speaker 1: The world at the moment, you kind of wake up
Speaker 1: and you're.
Speaker 2: Like, what's the fox happen now? Like, I'm sure something's happened.
Speaker 2: It's like, so when there's a little wine, take it.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take those ten I'm going to take
Speaker 2: those forty thousand good comments, and I'm going to all
Speaker 2: the five bad ones.
Speaker 1: I remember Ellen DeGeneres. Remember her. I'm saying that, Well,
Speaker 1: she took the winds, didn't she though?
Speaker 2: And everyone else's no, But I remember when people liked
Speaker 2: her and she was like, you have to read all
Speaker 2: the comments.
Speaker 1: You've got to take the good and the bad. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not doing that. I don't.
Speaker 2: I actively choose not to do that because I give
Speaker 2: enough shit to myself. I've got enough going on in here.
Speaker 2: Who I keep myself really grounded. I keep myself on
Speaker 2: the right side of things, you know, I really hold
Speaker 2: myself accountable.
Speaker 1: I don't need strangers to.
Speaker 4: Do that as well.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm going to take the good I'm
Speaker 2: going to take you all telling me I'm amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm going to eat that up.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, one of your winds.
Speaker 3: Was your mom, your mum, who went like who recognized
Speaker 3: your neuro divergence then that you just weren't formulated the
Speaker 3: same because this was in the nineties.
Speaker 4: Like nobody, like everybody.
Speaker 3: I know who's ADHD or whatever it has been diagnos
Speaker 3: in like the last five years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, women as well women.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and midlife a lot of midlife sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: But your mom took you to a doctor. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: didn't even know there was rittal in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh there was saved my life.
Speaker 2: My mom and what my parents were at their wits
Speaker 2: end with me as well. They didn't know what to
Speaker 2: do that we were looking to change schools, was like,
Speaker 2: we don't.
Speaker 1: It was a lot. I was a lot.
Speaker 2: And AHD in children and in girls in the nineties
Speaker 2: is a lot because it's just she is loud and
Speaker 2: annoying and attention seeking and can't listen, and it's it's
Speaker 2: there's nothing sexy about it.
Speaker 4: Nothing sexy about superpower.
Speaker 2: There's no Yeah, I envy those people who are like
Speaker 2: I find it superpower I want that type.
Speaker 4: I hate it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we got to a point where my parents
Speaker 2: took me to a doctor and as soon as I
Speaker 2: walked in, he was like.
Speaker 1: You have it. You have got my dad. My dad
Speaker 1: who was watching a fly fly around the room.
Speaker 4: Yeah ruh.
Speaker 2: My mom was like, help me, please, help me, help
Speaker 2: me help.
Speaker 3: So two amazing things, your parents calling it and going
Speaker 3: I think this could take some medical intervention, and a
Speaker 3: doctor then who was onto it, and in a girl
Speaker 3: because also I think the prevailing wisdom then was that's
Speaker 3: a kind of.
Speaker 4: A boy thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just loud, hyperactive boys.
Speaker 2: And that was a time where we had family friends
Speaker 2: who were teachers and they pulled my parents aside once
Speaker 2: and said, leave her with us for six months and
Speaker 2: we'll get it out of her.
Speaker 1: That's what they said.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh at that point where your parents tempted.
Speaker 1: Just six months, can we let us do it a
Speaker 1: whole year?
Speaker 4: Wow? Yeah.
Speaker 3: So from the from then being prescribed to ritalin. So
Speaker 3: so you're sixteen.
Speaker 1: Changed my life.
Speaker 2: I went home that afternoon, I sat down and we
Speaker 2: had I think it was ADHD for Dummies or like
Speaker 2: a book or something was sitting there and I sat
Speaker 2: down and I picked it up and I read a
Speaker 2: paragraph and my parents burst into tears, and I was like,
Speaker 2: what's wrong with you? And You've never ever done that,
Speaker 2: You've never done that, You've never read.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I was quintessential.
Speaker 2: Set all up a little study area in my room,
Speaker 2: had a photo Janet Jackson, their caster of friends.
Speaker 4: There, Chandler, Chandler.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I had my timetable of how I was
Speaker 2: going to study that night. I'm going to do maths
Speaker 2: for twenty minutes, all stuck. I got all the cute
Speaker 2: pens and then went off. I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: I had no idea how to do it. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then had written and everything changed.
Speaker 3: And so okay, here's the when things change. Did everything
Speaker 3: else then change? Did school change your relationship?
Speaker 1: School changed absolutely?
Speaker 2: I will say pre diagnosis, and this is, I guess
Speaker 2: one of the symptoms. I was obsessed with dancing, and
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with Janet Jackson, and I had been
Speaker 2: to her concert, and I learnt her concert and I
Speaker 2: would perform it. So that's the hyper focus of ADHD,
Speaker 2: where I would if I loved it, if I had
Speaker 2: an emotional response to it, I could do it forever
Speaker 2: and do it better than anyone. That's a superpower of ADHD.
Speaker 2: So I had that. I think when you're asking before
Speaker 2: about how did I get up and go to school?
Speaker 2: I knew that there were things that I loved outside
Speaker 2: of the bullshit, which is also very important for a
Speaker 2: kid to have another world outsize absolutely, and I'm so
Speaker 2: full on about that with my children. I'm like, find
Speaker 2: what you love now. I would get busy. I'm big
Speaker 2: believer in get busy now, work now, find what you
Speaker 2: want to do now, and enjoyant later.
Speaker 1: Don't sit around and faff around.
Speaker 4: And also so that you're not reliant just on one world,
Speaker 4: so the school world, yeah, so that you've got other
Speaker 4: places where if you're an outcast here or something happens
Speaker 4: or you get canceled or whatever, you had these other
Speaker 4: places the pocket plug.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I remember, like with dancing, for example, I'd say
Speaker 2: to my mom, I just want to go to a
Speaker 2: different school where Julie goes to my friends from dancing,
Speaker 2: and Mum was like, no, you're going to stay here.
Speaker 1: You're going to stay here.
Speaker 2: And I think that was the best thing she did,
Speaker 2: because when school was shit.
Speaker 1: Like we were just saying I had those.
Speaker 2: I had that world to go to and if we
Speaker 2: combined it all, if it's all shit, then it's all ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I do that with my son. He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I want to go to school. I want to go
Speaker 2: where my footymates are. I'm like, but you have footy,
Speaker 2: you have different pockets because when one goes to crap.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got that. Yeah, I think that's really passport.
Speaker 2: You need a few personalities, different ways to let in.
Speaker 3: But then you're obviously very talented because then after high
Speaker 3: school you went to study drama.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, right, I think they were congratulations and we
Speaker 2: graduated and I got on the first plane out of there.
Speaker 4: And did you have to audition to get in? And
Speaker 4: what was your audition?
Speaker 1: I did, Lady Macbeth, Oh did you hands near being
Speaker 1: outdamn spot? Oh really I know, I mean maybe.
Speaker 4: A good Lady Macbeth, Thank you.
Speaker 2: I talk about resilient. This is what I mean when
Speaker 2: I'm like, as someone who doesn't have any confidence, it
Speaker 2: was always told by you know, external that you crap
Speaker 2: in you all this. I was like, I know what
Speaker 2: I'm doing. I cannot believe it's seventeen. I decided to
Speaker 2: get up and you outdamn spot the Lady Macbeth monologue
Speaker 2: for my audition.
Speaker 4: Like the monologue in the world of Theater.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's like it's so.
Speaker 2: I don't think Dame Judy Dench thinks she's quite nailed
Speaker 2: it yet, and I'm like, ah, go everyone sit down
Speaker 2: in this freezing studio in.
Speaker 1: Pe in the middle of the day.
Speaker 2: I remember just standing up in bike pants and going
Speaker 2: and just like getting into it. And then and the
Speaker 2: Terry that was our head of acting when I got accepted,
Speaker 2: and he goes, We just knew if someone has that
Speaker 2: confidence to get up and try that there's something to
Speaker 2: play with.
Speaker 4: The idea was that? Was it Terry's idea?
Speaker 1: No, it was my idea?
Speaker 4: Is your idea?
Speaker 2: I remember we studied Macbeth at school and I loved it.
Speaker 2: I was really really into it, really into it, and
Speaker 2: I just thought, yeah, I'll do that.
Speaker 3: That's not all of my conversation with the list coming
Speaker 3: up after the break, we talk about her landing the
Speaker 3: role of her dreams and how a friend's heavy handed,
Speaker 3: kind of brutal advice helped her find her niche in comedy. Obviously,
Speaker 3: you were extremely talented, so because and there's no point
Speaker 3: in arguing. I don't even think you bother actually take that,
Speaker 3: this is what you're doing in your therapy.
Speaker 2: No, I'm trying to just take I'm trying to take that.
Speaker 3: Yes, obviously for you were, but obviously you were because
Speaker 3: you auditioned, you laid him a beet your way into
Speaker 3: drama school. And then this is almost like a casual
Speaker 3: aside when I've heard you mention this before. Then you
Speaker 3: got a role on All Saints. Yeah, now that is
Speaker 3: an incredible achievement.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, I completely agree.
Speaker 1: I loved that show.
Speaker 2: That I felt like I had when I got that job,
Speaker 2: I went, I have just won a fool got I've
Speaker 2: won an Emmy, a Tone, a Grammy in oscar I
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe. And the people on that show, it's
Speaker 2: and that some of them are still my like they're
Speaker 2: my family. I love that show so much. I loved
Speaker 2: working on it. I was on it for five years,
Speaker 2: first as a guest, then as a semi regular, and
Speaker 2: then I got contracted as a regular, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I am happy for this show and still to this
Speaker 2: day for this show to go until I am one
Speaker 2: hundred and seven and I.
Speaker 4: Die on it. I loved it being a patient instead.
Speaker 2: We're all my funeral on the show.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: It was that was when TV was so good because
Speaker 2: it's different actors through each week, actors, actual actors coming
Speaker 2: through and you get to work with all that.
Speaker 1: I loved it so much. Couldn't believe it was my
Speaker 1: first job. Couldn't believe.
Speaker 4: Amazing, amazing.
Speaker 3: And also from your cohort, I imagine, were you one
Speaker 3: of the first ones who got regular giggle?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Took a bit.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, in hindsight, it's like it only took
Speaker 2: you four years, when.
Speaker 4: You're like, I've been doing this decades. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: For some actors, the mass, the realities that it may
Speaker 3: never happen.
Speaker 2: The most actors, especially now, the most actors, it doesn't
Speaker 2: happen there. I know most of my actor friends who
Speaker 2: aren't working are better actors than I will ever be,
Speaker 2: or anyone.
Speaker 1: Will see it. Just it's just a shitty, shitty industry.
Speaker 4: And so, and you made one of your dearest friends
Speaker 4: on the show. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And a girlfriend of mine was a producer on that
Speaker 3: show from Marianne Carroll.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and she loved you.
Speaker 3: She was like that was a great there was just
Speaker 3: something special about you.
Speaker 4: I know, you're wrong, it's not that great.
Speaker 1: He's not very confident that great. And then you then
Speaker 1: we lost him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you lost him and you lost him to his depression.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was that was And where was that in
Speaker 3: the in the trajectory of the show the show, It was.
Speaker 2: Toward the end. I believe that's why the show ended.
Speaker 2: I think when Mark died, the show went with it.
Speaker 2: They tried to then pivot. Yeah, and they for a
Speaker 2: couple of years they did her quite kind of successfully.
Speaker 2: But the heart, it just wasn't the same. We were
Speaker 2: absolutely devas suddenly killed us. Like it was just oh,
Speaker 2: it was horrible.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was such a heart, the heart soul, the smart ass.
Speaker 4: And a very dear to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the way that he had seen and saw
Speaker 3: something in you, something about the self effacing nature of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I still believe he's the reason I'm successful one because
Speaker 2: of what he said to me.
Speaker 1: We were.
Speaker 2: He used to come to my place, we were worth
Speaker 2: living in Balmain in Sydney, and we just write sketches
Speaker 2: together and we just film them, like hold a little
Speaker 2: cam quarter up and he'd say his part and then
Speaker 2: and we just kill ourselves laughing.
Speaker 1: We always joke we don't need an audience.
Speaker 4: We are good.
Speaker 1: We're just laughing.
Speaker 2: And I remember we were sitting on set once, you know,
Speaker 2: long days sitting on set doing nothing, and we're writing.
Speaker 3: You know, that's interesting because a lot of actors go
Speaker 3: mad on seat. That's why a lot of like mega
Speaker 3: Hollywood types are a little bit unhinged. I think because
Speaker 3: of the enormous yeah waiting absolutely.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Heath Franklin, the comedian, he always I worked with him,
Speaker 2: and he's.
Speaker 4: Brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people would know him as Chopper
Speaker 2: as Chopper. Yeah, God, he's brilliant. One of the funniest,
Speaker 2: smartest minds I've ever worked with. He says about TV,
Speaker 2: he says, you pay me to sit around the acting
Speaker 2: I do for free.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yes, yes, waiting around. Yeah, but you were
Speaker 3: feeling your waiting around. Yeah, But that's creativity.
Speaker 1: And that was thanks to Mark as he was like,
Speaker 1: he couldn't sit still. It was awesome.
Speaker 2: That energy is so great to have around and but
Speaker 2: he was great at channeling it and I you know,
Speaker 2: we were just channeling it and we were writing sketches
Speaker 2: and scenes and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, maybe this light.
Speaker 2: And then oh no, no doorry and he went what
Speaker 2: I went o, No, no, don't worry, and then he
Speaker 2: just he pulled the paper out of my hand. He went,
Speaker 2: stop it. And I was like, I was my twenties.
Speaker 2: What he goes that is very boring to me.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what do you mean? He goes,
Speaker 1: you not knowing how fucking funny you are is very
Speaker 1: boring to me.
Speaker 2: It's not fun, it's not He goes, No, one's gonna
Speaker 2: can't be like, come on, you just have to stop it.
Speaker 2: It's like and he said to me, you are the
Speaker 2: funniest person I've ever known in life.
Speaker 1: Also in your work.
Speaker 2: That's just boring, so just don't And I stopped right there,
Speaker 2: and then I stopped. I remember leaning into the comedy
Speaker 2: more on All Saints and my role getting bigger and
Speaker 2: me really going and I'm going to find my niche here.
Speaker 1: I'm good at this because I always found funny easy.
Speaker 2: Yes, But with acting, I thought, no, you need to emost,
Speaker 2: you need to lead him, makebirth your with your role,
Speaker 2: or you're not Actually you're not earning you know your
Speaker 2: craft because I thought, funny, it was easy, and he's like,
Speaker 2: that's not easy, but you not knowing it is boring,
Speaker 2: and I went, yeah, fair enough gift and it changed.
Speaker 1: It absolutely changed for me.
Speaker 3: It's interesting the friends in life who love you enough
Speaker 3: to have that conversation with you. Absolutely this is not working.
Speaker 3: People that really love you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he loved me and I loved him where he
Speaker 2: was one of my dearest friends. And also I was
Speaker 2: such a fan of his. Mark Priestley is one of
Speaker 2: the greatest actors we've ever had, and beautiful gods, so handsome,
Speaker 2: those eyes.
Speaker 1: He's such a good actor.
Speaker 4: We're all just.
Speaker 2: Kind of watch him. He you know, he was so great.
Speaker 2: For him to say that to me, it's like, oh
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 4: So at this point, have you met hot husband?
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I'm trying to track in my head.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you must have.
Speaker 1: Mate, Yes, yes, yeah, I meet him when I was
Speaker 1: twenty one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, yeah, and this I also find extraordinary.
Speaker 3: At twenty one when you met Arpi, he had two
Speaker 3: little girls, a two.
Speaker 1: Year old and a four year old.
Speaker 3: Four years yeah, and so was that not a wrong
Speaker 3: way turnback signed to you?
Speaker 1: Oh? I didn't care. I loved him.
Speaker 2: I was twenty one and he walked into that bar
Speaker 2: and I went, I'm done, lock it down.
Speaker 4: Wow, And and he was the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I guess maybe he's done to Actually, who knows.
Speaker 2: Twenty two years later, Yeah, you know, did twenty one.
Speaker 2: Everything's romantic. I've got daughters.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, oh my god, beautiful.
Speaker 4: That's so beautiful. But the reality of sp but yeah
Speaker 4: at twenty one, at twenty one, with big.
Speaker 2: Hopes and big dreams. But my heart just exploded when
Speaker 2: I saw him, and I went, I can make it
Speaker 2: all work. I'll just make all of it work.
Speaker 1: It'll be fine. It's a lot. It's a lot anyone.
Speaker 3: But also you're, like you said, big dreams and whatever,
Speaker 3: so you're also running your own race and trying to
Speaker 3: forge a creative life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think because I was on All Saints though, and
Speaker 2: in my mind it was going to be on forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm darnkah show.
Speaker 4: It was all very like a job. It was lovely, yeah,
Speaker 4: because you had those stability.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't need to be creating work or do
Speaker 2: all looking for work or trying to find it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It was my first job and so you think it's
Speaker 2: going to last forever. I remember when I got to
Speaker 2: All Saints, Chris Gabardi, the actor, he was on a
Speaker 2: lovely Chris.
Speaker 1: I must have had that in my eyes.
Speaker 2: Like, guys, this is a family now forever, this is
Speaker 2: what we do forever. And I got there and Chris
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it's really and he'd been on the
Speaker 2: show for years and he's like, great to have you on.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm so excited. He goes, yeah, save
Speaker 2: you money, he said to me. I was like, save
Speaker 2: you money, Yeah, save you money.
Speaker 1: You Yeah. Always been good at doing yeah, always always been.
Speaker 3: And what was he's doing at that time? Was he
Speaker 3: he's an arst? Yeah, so tree surgeon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tree surgeon and yes, very much, very nature man
Speaker 2: and also living on the mid North Coast six hours
Speaker 2: away in Scott's Head. So I was in Sydney, he was,
Speaker 2: and you were long distance, long distance for eighteen months.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the situation changed with his girls, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: and he came down to me and we moved in together.
Speaker 1: Oh, and then he had to go back.
Speaker 4: Up yeah, right, and then you went back up with him.
Speaker 2: And then I went back up for a while and
Speaker 2: then went on. No, yeah, right, absolutely not. And then
Speaker 2: came back to Sydney. We went back to Sydney and
Speaker 2: then when I'm going to go to America and up
Speaker 2: and night took time off.
Speaker 3: Oh so was this after all Saints had Finnish yesh.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I need to make things happen.
Speaker 2: I want to be working, I want to be doing things.
Speaker 2: I want to try have a go in America. You
Speaker 2: and I had done and you don't understand my wants
Speaker 2: and my needs.
Speaker 4: I was letting.
Speaker 1: Macbeth, God, damn it, now, don't dare you? And then
Speaker 1: he had.
Speaker 2: The girls, and you know, it was worlds were kind
Speaker 2: of going like that, and I said, I'm going.
Speaker 1: To go to America. He went fine. I went to
Speaker 1: America and went, ah, I'm pregnant. Oh yeah, yeah, best thing.
Speaker 1: Oh And then came back.
Speaker 4: So this is with your eldest Lulu. Yeah, holy Molly.
Speaker 4: How far into America did you find out you were
Speaker 4: pregnant at the end of it?
Speaker 2: And where were you in La driving down to Malibu
Speaker 2: with my friend and her convertible and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: my goodness, my period in a while. And she was like,
Speaker 2: you're pregnant. I was like, how dare you I have.
Speaker 1: Company, and then came back and went, oh, wow, I'm bad.
Speaker 1: I'm actually I about.
Speaker 4: It when I got back. Oh, holy Molly, And how
Speaker 4: old were you then?
Speaker 3: So I was twenty nine when not overly young. But
Speaker 3: in the scheme of week, I think.
Speaker 1: That's a geriatric pregnancy.
Speaker 4: Probably they call everything over sixteen pregnant just because they
Speaker 4: liked big women are. Yeah, and so RPI was the father. Yes,
Speaker 4: well they never know, do they?
Speaker 1: Well, well, my son, I was like, and when you.
Speaker 4: Look at the boys told so they.
Speaker 1: Dad, it's unbel especially Lou, our oldest.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, right, it's great.
Speaker 2: And we named Lou after Arpy Arpi was his Lou
Speaker 2: was Arpi's nickname with his family. It still is because
Speaker 2: when he was little he lived in Papua New Guinea
Speaker 2: for a while and he used to walk around a
Speaker 2: little nappy eighteen months old singing to Sir with Love.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: That was his favorite because his dad always played it.
Speaker 2: And the singer of that song is called Lulu.
Speaker 1: So Lulu.
Speaker 2: Even now when we get invited to like weddings, it'll
Speaker 2: be Celestia Lou.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what what sort of name is Arpi? By the way,
Speaker 4: it's mari name.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh and he fell in love with a Pakia Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love I would move to New Zealand like that.
Speaker 2: I want to relocate over there.
Speaker 4: Really, are you on the run from something so less by?
Speaker 1: They're all following me?
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of following, Oh yeah, okay, so the next
Speaker 3: that was your first rocketd but is it? But so
Speaker 3: then you had this lulls. So you had baby. I
Speaker 3: imagine just like such a shift even you know, you'd
Speaker 3: had the you'd had the girls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very different, very different, very different.
Speaker 2: And then had lou on the mid North Coast and
Speaker 2: then yeah, no, work, had a new baby. I was
Speaker 2: teaching acting and dancing at the local public school for
Speaker 2: five dollars, just to do something like I have to
Speaker 2: in me, I can't just sit. And then we moved
Speaker 2: to the Central Coast and I had my second boy buddy,
Speaker 2: and then Instagram came about and I was like.
Speaker 4: Yes, this could be something, this could be amazing. Early
Speaker 4: you were early on.
Speaker 3: Do you think that was because of the isolation or
Speaker 3: are you generinely a person that's like drawn to something new.
Speaker 1: I think both.
Speaker 2: I think not necessarily drawn to something new. I mean,
Speaker 2: I like shiny things, but I needed to do I
Speaker 2: wanted to do something. And I saw this new app
Speaker 2: and I was like, what, wow, this is a and
Speaker 2: it was just it was a three pronged attack for me.
Speaker 2: It was a this is bullshit that's been put out right,
Speaker 2: and it was all such perfection, absolutely like perfection actually
Speaker 2: being sold as ever like you know with glossy magazines.
Speaker 2: You knew that that was a glossy photo and that
Speaker 2: there was a photo shooting that and that's been photoshopped.
Speaker 2: It's a Tiffany's campaign and everyone's photoshopped, and that's what
Speaker 2: they're selling us with Instagram. I was like, this isn't
Speaker 2: you know to be like this is I'm just finished breastfeeding.
Speaker 2: That what looks like when you finish breastfeeding. That's not
Speaker 2: what it looks like at all. So I kind of
Speaker 2: wanted to cut through the bullshit of that.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, you've got maybe who did it?
Speaker 1: We were sending them?
Speaker 2: Was I was sending to Olivia, my sister, each other,
Speaker 2: and yes, what it looks like. I just write a
Speaker 2: challenge accepted. She's like, you know, just kind of answering,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm going to do some but
Speaker 2: I remember doing it and going, this is going to
Speaker 2: be good. I think people want to say this. I
Speaker 2: think people.
Speaker 4: And also it's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know funny. I know what's funny.
Speaker 4: So that was your first what was your first one?
Speaker 2: First one was a yoga pose off a website.
Speaker 1: Then they then put it on Insta.
Speaker 2: I later learned that the website was run by one
Speaker 2: of the girls who bullied me at school. I know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't fuck around.
Speaker 4: Ye when the woods come to.
Speaker 2: Dunsane, Yeah, yeah, and I did it. I remember the
Speaker 2: caption was I'm starting something. That's all I wrote. And
Speaker 2: then stage less challenge accepted and then yeah, that was
Speaker 2: kind of just The first one was just a silly
Speaker 2: yoga pos and I had Buddy who was then in
Speaker 2: a little walky in the background, kind of showing what
Speaker 2: it's like to be at home trying to do yoga.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, very simple.
Speaker 3: Also, you know what I love when the threads of
Speaker 3: a story come together. Everyone loves a redemption arc, which
Speaker 3: you're at the start of you don't even know at
Speaker 3: that point, but also that all the things that you've
Speaker 3: done until that point, have are going to stand you
Speaker 3: in such good stead.
Speaker 4: You are a magnificent mover. Yeah, isn't that.
Speaker 1: Everything's in my body?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's just start here.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting in your parodying of these perfect posts
Speaker 3: or whatever, and that you are actually a brilliant mover.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, that's what I find funny physical comedy. I
Speaker 2: love slapstick. I love so to be able to do
Speaker 2: that and morph my body in those ways, I think
Speaker 2: that's part of the reason it works.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But what I'm saying is it looks clumsy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it looks clumsy.
Speaker 2: But I think my theory is I think it takes
Speaker 2: a coordinated person to be to look clumsy. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: because I'm coordinated and I know what I'm doing that
Speaker 2: I can, you know, sell.
Speaker 4: It as clumsy.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, whereas there's actually a great there's a great
Speaker 3: physical expertise to it.
Speaker 1: Oh thanks, don't you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not That's what I'm saying. Thanks. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like I said, I know, I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: I know how to take something, flip it and make
Speaker 2: it funnier, make it, give it a different lens. And
Speaker 2: I know my physicality absolutely helped and we're not with
Speaker 2: my stand up.
Speaker 1: I went around that stage like an idiot, and sure
Speaker 1: I try, yeah always sure, Well, because tom Ford said
Speaker 1: I need to play to my legs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got great leads.
Speaker 2: So I always legs and lashes in between the big
Speaker 2: old mess. But I got great fucking legs and great lashes.
Speaker 4: And so tom Ford.
Speaker 3: The friendship came as a result of the parodies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and how when did they really start to gather momentum
Speaker 3: when you really went, oh this is there's been ignition.
Speaker 2: I did a post. It wasn't long after I had started.
Speaker 1: I did a.
Speaker 2: Post of Kim Kardashian if you heard of her? Oh
Speaker 2: was that on the dirt pile? Is she Yeah, she's
Speaker 2: a lawyer and an actor, that's an activist, and I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure she invented feminism. Yeah, yeah, she did it
Speaker 2: a photo They do a pile, and I did it.
Speaker 2: I did a period of it, and then I think
Speaker 2: the ever credible Daily Mail got ahold of it and
Speaker 2: sent it out and I woke up to fifty thousand
Speaker 2: followers in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4: Which is a lot a losh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you got the affirmation of I mean you
Speaker 3: already had it from yourself.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: But then I got so so I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god. Remember we had friends over at the time,
Speaker 2: and I was like, everyone just popped fine seven photos
Speaker 2: I was doing and I just would back because I also,
Speaker 2: I was saying before about the three pronged attack. I
Speaker 2: also knew that it was funny and that I wanted
Speaker 2: to work work, and that this was a good platform
Speaker 2: to show that I know I'm a comedian, Like, we
Speaker 2: don't have many comedy clubs here in Australia, Sydney, maybe
Speaker 2: something in Melbourne down here, and you had, but I
Speaker 2: had kids and I'm not a stand up by trade,
Speaker 2: acted by trade. So I was like, this is good,
Speaker 2: this is smart. I know, I know this is going
Speaker 2: to be good. And then when it started to get
Speaker 2: traction and people started to see it, I was like great,
Speaker 2: and I would Then I got busy.
Speaker 1: I would post two three.
Speaker 2: Times a day because out absolutely and it's always been
Speaker 2: the goal is to work. I've always just want I've
Speaker 2: just always wanted to work. And I thought this, and
Speaker 2: I remember sending it to people who had like followings,
Speaker 2: like friends of mine, carry it dire one of my
Speaker 2: oldest mates. I was like, can you share this, I
Speaker 2: think this is kind of funny. Can you give me
Speaker 2: a shout out? Like just knowing, I wanted to just
Speaker 2: push it out. I wanted people to see.
Speaker 1: It like I was because I knew.
Speaker 2: I knew it was making women laugh and not hate
Speaker 2: themselves as much fighting against everything that is pushed on us.
Speaker 2: And I also knew it was funny and I wanted
Speaker 2: producers and directors to see it.
Speaker 4: A girlfriend of mine said to me.
Speaker 3: Years ago, Actually, she said, I hate Instagram. It makes
Speaker 3: me feel bad about my life, and I love my life.
Speaker 3: And so what you did was kind of reclaim. It
Speaker 3: was kind of Emperor's new clothes in a way, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Because it was like when you've just fed a diet
Speaker 3: of something, you kind of think that's that's just the
Speaker 3: only meal that's available. And something about what you did
Speaker 3: reset things for women.
Speaker 4: And made us.
Speaker 3: Go, oh, actually, that's ridiculous, absolutely, And that's the you know,
Speaker 3: people have different opinions on the posts that I do
Speaker 3: or whatever, but the first thing that people do.
Speaker 2: And what I want is for them to laugh, and
Speaker 2: then they can go she looks shit, whatever, she doesn't
Speaker 2: look bad enough. She looks to Yeah, She's the best
Speaker 2: thing I've seen in my life. But the first thing
Speaker 2: is love to be like yeah, and that's because, like
Speaker 2: I said before about magazines, you can put them down.
Speaker 2: But when it's three in the morning and you're trying
Speaker 2: to breastfeed a baby that will not breastfeed, and you're
Speaker 2: on your phone and you're scrolling seeing all of this steak.
Speaker 4: It seeps again.
Speaker 1: Social media seeps in through our pores and we'lining it absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to cut that off. I wanted to
Speaker 1: there to be.
Speaker 2: A little break in that to try to make us
Speaker 2: not hate it.
Speaker 3: Okay, But so here's the thing, Because you obviously consume
Speaker 3: a lot of it because you're, you know, looking for.
Speaker 4: The next or the thing that resonates with you. How
Speaker 4: do you keep your own channel clear.
Speaker 3: So that you don't become consumed by the very thing
Speaker 3: that you know that you're recognizing on behalf of others?
Speaker 1: Well, I delete the app.
Speaker 2: Oh, I take it off my phone for a few
Speaker 2: days o, because I'm a victim at course. Actually now
Speaker 2: it never used to be. No, but it's more, isn't it?
Speaker 2: What is this beast?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Like I still post on Instagram the same way I
Speaker 2: did ten years ago. Yeah, it's it's not how. I
Speaker 2: have contacts in Instagram and they're like, Hi, can you
Speaker 2: try doing this? Or I'll go in and have meetings
Speaker 2: with them. They're like, these are your stats and if
Speaker 2: you wanted to maybe try doing this, you can. Then
Speaker 2: they always turn to me and go, well, just keep
Speaker 2: doing what you're doing because you have the highest engagement
Speaker 2: of anyone. And that's great because I just keep doing
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. But my god, I get caught up
Speaker 2: in it. I've had it last week. I deleted it
Speaker 2: for three days because I spiraled.
Speaker 1: I looked at it. I was like, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: getting that acting job.
Speaker 2: I'm not getting that comparisons in Paris. It's so brutal.
Speaker 2: It is such a brutal device. Like I said, that
Speaker 2: seeps in and the only way I can do it
Speaker 2: is to delete it. I have to take it off.
Speaker 2: I'm actually I just got an assistant and I'm starting
Speaker 2: to schedule where I go. You'll go on I'll go
Speaker 2: on Instagram for an hour and I'll look for things.
Speaker 2: Then I'll get my assistant to pull them, and then
Speaker 2: the next day I'll shoot them and then we'll schedule posting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I even get my kids to say if I'm because
Speaker 2: I work on my phone, to ask me, mom.
Speaker 1: Are you working? I feel like, yes, you're not.
Speaker 3: Put my phone down. It's so addicted. Yeah, it's well,
Speaker 3: it's designed to be. But you're right, something's happened in
Speaker 3: the last couple of years where it really is.
Speaker 4: It is a beast.
Speaker 2: It's all consuming when you've done that.
Speaker 4: So at this point you're underway. You've really got challenge accepted, momentum. Fuck,
Speaker 4: they're funny, justa just Emrata. You could just have devoted yourself.
Speaker 1: I well, I was. I was, and then she blocked me.
Speaker 3: Well, I know so because the thing that I've loved
Speaker 3: is like with Cindy Crawford and you know, Chris Jenna
Speaker 3: or whatever, those who were smart enough to go this
Speaker 3: is actually, yeah, funny, and I'm going to go along
Speaker 3: with it because this is great for everybody.
Speaker 4: But Mrata is not that.
Speaker 1: No, she doesn't like it.
Speaker 3: Did you have any communication we know her never? No,
Speaker 3: not from her people. No, no, not at all.
Speaker 1: She talks about it.
Speaker 2: She has spoken about it, not to me, but podcast
Speaker 2: I guess like I am now.
Speaker 1: But no, there's been no communication it is. It's not
Speaker 1: a shock.
Speaker 4: To me that she's not led by humor.
Speaker 2: Yes, a bikini model doesn't like being made fun of
Speaker 2: by a middle aged woman, it's not it's not like
Speaker 2: breaking news.
Speaker 1: Consumers come out and humor. I think we're a particular
Speaker 1: woman who was used to walking down the street and
Speaker 1: the sea's parting for her.
Speaker 3: All of a.
Speaker 2: Sudden, someone goes, that's crazy that you're lying naked on
Speaker 2: the floor hugging your dog, and no one's I would try.
Speaker 2: It's not lost to me that she's like, No, I
Speaker 2: don't like it, so I stopped doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm not a monster, No, I'm not a bully.
Speaker 2: No, I make fun of an industry that makes women
Speaker 2: hate themselves. It takes billions of dollars of us eating ourselves.
Speaker 2: She doesn't like it, so I don't do it, which
Speaker 2: makes me sad. Make she's the greatest, great she puts out,
Speaker 2: but also fair.
Speaker 4: I know that you're not allowed to.
Speaker 2: Usual friends as well, and some of them are like's
Speaker 2: not she hum well, so this is interesting. I haven't
Speaker 2: banging ass somnum.
Speaker 3: But so the tom Ford thing that was an astounding thing,
Speaker 3: because fashion generally.
Speaker 4: Is not known for its humor.
Speaker 3: No, they're very po faced and they kind of to
Speaker 3: me it seems like they come from intimidation and elitism.
Speaker 2: Hungry, hungry, sham shaming, Yeah, hungry but grateful those models just.
Speaker 1: Whatever y Yeah, And he tapped into that. He knew that.
Speaker 4: That's what we spoke about. And then how did he
Speaker 4: contact you?
Speaker 2: I got an email from his right hand woman and
Speaker 2: the subject was Tom Ford loves Celeste Barber. I was
Speaker 2: sitting in a car park at Woolworth's at the entrance
Speaker 2: on the central host.
Speaker 4: Of course you were, and I.
Speaker 2: Just bought all of the you know, the red red
Speaker 2: spot discounted sales, chicken and a biscuit in the back
Speaker 2: of the car and I was like, what them what
Speaker 2: And it said I've printed the email habit from Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course said he loves you, he wants he would
Speaker 2: love to work with you if if that would ever
Speaker 2: be a possib ability. He thinks you're hilarious. And you
Speaker 2: know the sound and email makes when it comes in. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I hadn't finished and I'd responded and see seed every
Speaker 2: bit you bullied me, scho I was like, when where
Speaker 2: how I'm ready, let's go, Yes, and then we were
Speaker 2: meant to work that year. He wanted me to go
Speaker 2: to blame me to Fashion Week, but his partner was unwell, so.
Speaker 1: It got postponed.
Speaker 2: So I was over there anyway, and I met with
Speaker 2: him in his office and it was just he got
Speaker 2: down on his knees and crawled across the floor to
Speaker 2: me and was like, oh my god, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, You're a queen. And I was like, get up,
Speaker 1: and he was like no. I bowed down.
Speaker 2: He was like, seriously, you're in a ten thousand old suit.
Speaker 2: Get up, and it's just become a very lovely Oh
Speaker 2: it was. It was apart from me, it's too much.
Speaker 2: It's just the greatest creative experience of my money.
Speaker 4: You walked Fashion Week twenty well nineteen.
Speaker 2: Then he flew me out and we collaborated. We did
Speaker 2: some Insta posts together, some parodies. He had a whole
Speaker 2: little studio set up at the back where he was
Speaker 2: doing Fashion Week.
Speaker 1: And then I walked. I didn't walk in the show.
Speaker 2: I did the rehearsal at the beginning, and then I
Speaker 2: sat front row next to Russell Westbrook and Cardi B
Speaker 2: and Tom Hanks and Oh my God and Anna Winter,
Speaker 2: like stop.
Speaker 1: It was too much.
Speaker 2: Watch the show by the world, Tom Hanks, Hang, it
Speaker 2: gets better. Can I tell you another story about this?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the show, the end of.
Speaker 2: The catwalk, the doors opened up and the after party
Speaker 2: was out the back, and as the doors opened up,
Speaker 2: the video that we had just shot was on a
Speaker 2: massive screen that dropped down and everyone I'd see it
Speaker 2: so before that. I'm sitting there and I think people
Speaker 2: Cardi b particular, like who's this bitch? People are getting
Speaker 2: shuffled down for me to see. And I was the
Speaker 2: one that ran in late because I just was filming
Speaker 2: with Tom Ford and I have a chance to get
Speaker 2: here in time. So I run in and sit down
Speaker 2: and they're like, who's this chick? And then that screen
Speaker 2: came up and I was like, I screamed. I was
Speaker 2: like like.
Speaker 1: Just no chill at all, like stood up.
Speaker 2: I remember Elizabeth Debicki came up to me and she
Speaker 2: was like, Elizabeth, oh my god, like it.
Speaker 1: Was so nice.
Speaker 2: And then we went to that party and then there
Speaker 2: was like a little secret room where only fancy fancies
Speaker 2: it's like half the size of this studio went into
Speaker 2: and it was Tom Hanks and Tom Ford and Anna
Speaker 2: Wintour and I got brought in and Tom Ford didn't
Speaker 2: know I was there, and how he was talking about
Speaker 2: me to Tom Hanks.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna cry.
Speaker 2: It's like she's an absolute genius. Like she has a
Speaker 2: comedy brain like I haven't seen, Like she's so hilarious.
Speaker 4: And I was like, hello, why did you interrupt that conflict?
Speaker 1: I know, well I tried it because it's a small room.
Speaker 1: And I think I was like around.
Speaker 4: The back, like how was how was Anna wind Tour?
Speaker 1: I didn't really talk to her.
Speaker 4: She kind of weary.
Speaker 1: No, I love Anna Winter.
Speaker 4: She looks busy.
Speaker 2: She kind of sha and she I think she gave
Speaker 2: me a smile. Maybe she didn't, but let's pretend she did.
Speaker 2: But no, we didn't have any interaction. I don't think
Speaker 2: she hangs around. What she didn't hang around for that.
Speaker 4: She left.
Speaker 2: But then I was talking with Tom Hanks after and
Speaker 2: we were talking about having what the best way to
Speaker 2: have a cup of tea? We were talking about Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was lovely. He was going home to have a martini.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to go home.
Speaker 3: I was going home to have a martini at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, back time, And I said, I'm going to go
Speaker 2: have a cup of teen. He went, oh, a cup
Speaker 2: of tea, and I said, yeah. We talked about the
Speaker 2: best way to have a cup of tea. Milk for honey,
Speaker 2: Milk and honey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, milk and honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: After this short breather, we talk about how a list
Speaker 3: and hot husband APPI made their marriage work through the
Speaker 3: highs and the lows don't go anywhere.
Speaker 4: So you have now navigated I think, just such a
Speaker 4: change inter rain in your life, like many times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the way of looking at it.
Speaker 4: RPI is always your sherpa. Yeah, he's my king. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's my guy. And so how what's changed in that?
Speaker 3: Like, so you've gone from rags to riches and from
Speaker 3: you know, the isolation to the whole world. Like, what's
Speaker 3: changed or what's been the constant with you guys?
Speaker 2: The constant for us, and I know this sounds cliche
Speaker 2: or annoying, is love. We have such a desperate life
Speaker 2: for each other up and eye. Even when we tried
Speaker 2: to break up the eleveny billion times that you try
Speaker 2: to break up over a twenty two year relationship, we
Speaker 2: just we cannot like he I love him on a
Speaker 2: cellular level and I've never known anything like that, and
Speaker 2: it terrifies me and it infuriates me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes. I'm like, let me be fright. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: a runner, you know, the fight or flight.
Speaker 2: I'm out and if something gets tricky, especially not coming.
Speaker 1: Into perimenopause, that's fine. And he is just isn't it though?
Speaker 1: But I said out warning shots as well, like just
Speaker 1: see you know the JITs and he's like, oh great.
Speaker 2: But I think as well, we are growing together, like
Speaker 2: that is something that I've noticed that we can't it
Speaker 2: can't just lock it off. And I think, you know,
Speaker 2: he's fifty two. I think he may have thought that
Speaker 2: you can just lock it off. I think a lot
Speaker 2: of men do that. They're like, great, well.
Speaker 1: We've done yes, we've got the marriage.
Speaker 2: And we've got the thing, and she's doing the stuff
Speaker 2: that she wants to do, and.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty happy.
Speaker 4: We're doing good. How good is that?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I need a little bit more so
Speaker 2: learning that about.
Speaker 1: How do each other?
Speaker 3: How do you I'm asking this from self interest, by
Speaker 3: the way, how do you get a partner who's got
Speaker 3: that that those beautiful like his strength is also his weakness?
Speaker 4: Sometimes like even.
Speaker 3: Absolutely that stability, that groundedness, that whatever.
Speaker 4: But there's also a rock don't move I.
Speaker 2: Have for well, this is obviously just for Arpi and I.
Speaker 2: But one thing that I'm really trying to do with
Speaker 2: him more and more is empower him more.
Speaker 1: I want him to know that. No, and he does
Speaker 1: know that, but I work on that. That's something you know.
Speaker 2: I'm in therapy, we're in couples therapy. That I want it.
Speaker 2: I want him to know how valued he is. That
Speaker 2: I could do this on my own. I have no
Speaker 2: interest in doing it on my own. I don't want
Speaker 2: to have the big house on the tallest hill and
Speaker 2: live on it alone.
Speaker 1: I want it to be with him and how important.
Speaker 2: It is that he feels valued and nourished and loved and.
Speaker 1: The king that he is. I'm a lot to be
Speaker 1: with me is a lot. This is fun. You know
Speaker 1: I'll leave soon and you're like, oh, that was fun.
Speaker 1: Day in day out.
Speaker 2: I get darkness, I go high, I go lower, have
Speaker 2: all the things.
Speaker 4: And why does he love you? Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know. You'd have to ask him.
Speaker 4: No, you must know.
Speaker 1: I think he really sees me. I do I think.
Speaker 2: He he sees you know this little girl who's going
Speaker 2: to have a little cry now, or this little I
Speaker 2: think he loves my vulnerabilities. It's all of that quiet
Speaker 2: stuff about me that only he kind of gets, and
Speaker 2: a handful of obviously you know my friends and my gaze,
Speaker 2: they get that, but he's the one that just gets me.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what he loves about me. He also,
Speaker 2: I think loves that I go, come on, we've got
Speaker 2: a big life. Let's lean in m saying before about
Speaker 2: celebrating the joy and leaning into the winds, like we
Speaker 2: don't have to do any of this. We don't have
Speaker 2: to go to Europe for six weeks while I tour
Speaker 2: and we take our children.
Speaker 4: What a fucking life.
Speaker 1: But also are we going to be doing?
Speaker 2: I could be the regional manager for Witchy at Pacific Fair.
Speaker 1: I'd love it. I love that job.
Speaker 4: But he don't love it too.
Speaker 2: Actually, he would love it, but that's not who I am.
Speaker 2: But I really lean into what he wants to do
Speaker 2: as well, and that can be tricky with men. I
Speaker 2: find that it's like, well, what do you want to do?
Speaker 2: And he's like, okay, yeah, we need to figure that out. Honey,
Speaker 2: were sitting on the couch all day. Not that he
Speaker 2: sits on the couch every day, but just locking it
Speaker 2: off that is not That is not joyful for me,
Speaker 2: and it's not joyful for you.
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I try and champion him as much as
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 3: When you who started therapy first, you started me first?
Speaker 4: How long ago did you start on? And off? For years?
Speaker 2: I came off Ritland for a while after Mark died
Speaker 2: and went on andy depressants, and I mean I overlapped
Speaker 2: those and that was bad. So I went off written
Speaker 2: because also I was told when I was diagnosed with ADHD,
Speaker 2: you grow out of it, you don't have it.
Speaker 4: As an adult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, adult ADHD is different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that the doctor not that good?
Speaker 1: No, actually he was fine, he was lovely.
Speaker 2: It was later on that I think when I saw
Speaker 2: a psychologist later that were like, well, you probably come
Speaker 2: off Ritlan because it's not really a thing in adults.
Speaker 1: I was like, of it, like the how lovely here
Speaker 1: and not the case.
Speaker 2: So I went on andy depressants for a bit and
Speaker 2: started seeing a psychologist, and and then.
Speaker 1: I was on anti depressants for a.
Speaker 2: Really long time, and I kind of had forgotten why,
Speaker 2: I mean Mark, And then I had other friends who died,
Speaker 2: which is very annoying. So I came off those and
Speaker 2: went back on to Ritland. And so I've been doing
Speaker 2: therapy on and but like anything with my brain, I'll
Speaker 2: do therapy every week for six weeks and I and
Speaker 2: it'll be great, and then I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 2: to talk anymore.
Speaker 4: What I do on a Tuesday?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: And then when you said to RP, let's go together,
Speaker 4: let's do this together.
Speaker 1: He jumped it.
Speaker 2: He's fantastic and he goes to therapy on his own
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 4: More than imagine those sessions.
Speaker 2: Well, the amount of times, the amount of times I've
Speaker 2: gone in.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to his therapy and do you
Speaker 1: talk about me?
Speaker 2: Because I don't know what the etiquette is because I
Speaker 2: have a list of ship that I want him to
Speaker 2: talk about in therapy, but he doesn't take your No,
Speaker 2: it doesn't take my list. It's interesting though, I think
Speaker 2: in many ways they're more forgiving than we are. I
Speaker 2: think more forgiving of you know, the imperfections that so
Speaker 2: consume us. Yeah, sometimes they don't even see them.
Speaker 1: No, because sometimes are not as smart as us. Either
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, you know. I mean, I've spoken
Speaker 2: with that many women. They're like, he doesn't do this.
Speaker 1: I'm so annoyed.
Speaker 2: Our relationships bad. We haven't spoken for we haven't had
Speaker 2: sex in months. It's terrible.
Speaker 1: Then I speak to the husband, it's like we're tracking
Speaker 1: really well. It's great.
Speaker 2: She doesn't annoy me. I don't need to going really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know so many women who have left men
Speaker 1: and the men are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had no idea, and everyone's like, oh, we
Speaker 2: saw that coming miles away.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have had every experience that I think it's
Speaker 3: possible to have in the in the public eye, other
Speaker 3: than attending your own funeral.
Speaker 1: Because you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You've been You've been praised, celebrated, criticized, you've been too big,
Speaker 3: you're too hot to be comedic anymore. You're like everything,
Speaker 3: and sometimes it's all in the same week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So how do you manage that rollercoaster?
Speaker 2: I think I probably just write it. I think I
Speaker 2: just go through it. I take it for what it
Speaker 2: is and move on. I've learnt that you can't please everyone, so.
Speaker 1: I ignore a lot of it.
Speaker 2: When it comes to how I look, I understand why
Speaker 2: people would say something because of the nature of what
Speaker 2: I do. Sure, so I'm you know, I'm not an
Speaker 2: idiot in that sense, But at the same time, I don't.
Speaker 2: It's not all I do. It's like putting my body
Speaker 2: out there is not all I do. Sure, maybe that's
Speaker 2: how people knew me early on, But since then, I've
Speaker 2: really earned my keys.
Speaker 1: I really have.
Speaker 2: Like the second I got success through Instagram, I booked
Speaker 2: a show to get on stage. I've always wanted to
Speaker 2: get offline always and earn my keep. I think being
Speaker 2: in this industry talking before about acting, everyone is an
Speaker 2: entertainer now, and I don't subscribe to that. I want
Speaker 2: to earn my keep. I want to earn people's time.
Speaker 2: I want to earn people's money. I want to not
Speaker 2: just be like, Ah, I'm that girl that you follow
Speaker 2: and I can do whatever I want and you'll love it.
Speaker 1: I want to earn what I do.
Speaker 2: So I think i've kind of I'd like to think
Speaker 2: I've proved myself in that sense, but when it comes
Speaker 2: to how I look, people always want to talk to
Speaker 2: me about it, and I always think you're not talking
Speaker 2: to Gghidid about how she looks or Belahadid or Kendle
Speaker 2: Jenna or name all the model right, because that's just
Speaker 2: what's expected. That's expected how women look. That's a normal
Speaker 2: way for women to look. That's what we are taught.
Speaker 2: Part of what I do to cut through people. When
Speaker 2: you say people want to talk to you about how
Speaker 2: you look.
Speaker 1: Well, that is how brave I am.
Speaker 4: That's brave.
Speaker 1: You get your body out there, how brave and look.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I will do a post and look at it
Speaker 2: and be like, you got to buy what you're selling here, mate.
Speaker 2: Body positivity just put it out and just gonna make
Speaker 2: people for good. Do it? You know, can be a
Speaker 2: bit of a tough pill to swallow.
Speaker 1: But I you always hear about Lizo.
Speaker 2: People talk to Lizo about her body, or you talk
Speaker 2: to Ashley Graham about her body.
Speaker 1: To me about our body. We don't talk to.
Speaker 2: Models or people who look the way that women are
Speaker 2: supposed to look about their bodies.
Speaker 1: So I always have.
Speaker 2: A little bit of a thing about it going on.
Speaker 2: It's not as though that's all I do. I do
Speaker 2: a plethora of other things.
Speaker 3: And the body positivity thing is so interesting anyway, because Lizo,
Speaker 3: for example, who was just so refreshing, so great.
Speaker 4: I'm so refreshing.
Speaker 3: And I remember, you know, going to see a show
Speaker 3: in Melbourne just before lockdown and it was just the
Speaker 3: most joyous thing. And in fact, she inspired me to
Speaker 3: turn up at my one of my children's birthday party
Speaker 3: in a green bikini, which.
Speaker 1: Was a great birthday party.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, no, until I saw the fighter, I
Speaker 3: don't look at the just it wasn't but whatever.
Speaker 4: I just loved her.
Speaker 3: But then now that o zimpics come along, what's happened
Speaker 3: to body positivity?
Speaker 1: Well, body negativity?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's kind of like I I feel like,
Speaker 3: and this is just a superficial reading of it, that
Speaker 3: we were all like body positivity and however we're packaged
Speaker 3: is beautiful and you know, this is us. And then
Speaker 3: as soon as those people who kind of were like
Speaker 3: our leaders into that uncharted territory, as soon as o
Speaker 3: Zempic came along, they were like, but great, So yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it happened before Ozempic came along. I think
Speaker 2: the body positivity movement was like pushing up a hill
Speaker 2: with a sharp stick.
Speaker 1: Sure, we can probably name.
Speaker 2: Let's say there's ten thousand women in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 2: Sixteen of us were celebrated for body positivity. It was
Speaker 2: a hard thing to push. It was seen as a fad.
Speaker 2: It was a hashtag like me too. They were like, great,
Speaker 2: now Harvey Weinstein's gone, please.
Speaker 1: Be client women it's annoying.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, great, we've got Lizzo, We've got actually Gray
Speaker 2: and that Celeste lady, she's also and now we've got
Speaker 2: Melissa McCarthy, she's leads of films. That's enough, girl, stop
Speaker 2: go away. It really feels like a fad. And then
Speaker 2: no Zemp it came along and I think everyone was like, oh, okay, cool, Well,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be one of those people that
Speaker 2: have to be loud about.
Speaker 1: Being pushing my body out there. It's just easier.
Speaker 2: If you fought, you will work more. If you are thinner,
Speaker 2: you will work more in the industry. If you are thinner,
Speaker 2: you just fucking will, even if you're funny, devastating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well see that's a tricky one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but these roles aren't really written unless they're writing them,
Speaker 2: unless we're riding the mousetell. Yes, yeah, yeah, but there's
Speaker 2: still a quota for that. There's a quota for We've
Speaker 2: got enough funny ladies. We've done We've done that quote
Speaker 2: and now let's get back into the rom coms and
Speaker 2: the Sydney Sweeneys and the Kristen Bells and the gorgeous
Speaker 2: young thing gorgeous girls. So I just think it was
Speaker 2: a fad. And now ozen pic has come along, which
Speaker 2: I think is great for some people, zempic, but I
Speaker 2: think it's we're back to the heroine chic idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people who are.
Speaker 1: Already size four now are size zero.
Speaker 4: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: It's so dangerous.
Speaker 4: It's so dangerous.
Speaker 3: But not only that, it's kind of a it's like
Speaker 3: what fashion does, do you know what I mean? They're
Speaker 3: always shifting the parameters, so nothing that you do will
Speaker 3: ever be good enough.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: So it's like you've got I've got thick eyebrows. I've
Speaker 3: always had thick eyebrows. Thin eyebrows are absolutely you've got
Speaker 3: no ass. Guess what big asses are going to be
Speaker 3: in absolute actual body types and shapes in and out
Speaker 3: of fashion trends.
Speaker 2: They're absolute trends, but just that idea of small little
Speaker 2: women because they've got to be up against the Hollywood
Speaker 2: men who are Tom Cruise and the little guys.
Speaker 4: Little guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is seen as a fad, which is
Speaker 2: really upsetting because people.
Speaker 1: Get sick of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, any fashion, bang on about it, any fashion people
Speaker 3: want to move on from. Yeah, Celeste Barber, you're just
Speaker 3: adorable of you. Kate, it's adorable.
Speaker 4: Thanks selling, I see you. She took us for your tour. Wow.
Speaker 3: Celeste has become many things to a lot of us.
Speaker 3: She's kind of a mirror. She's kind of a truth mirror,
Speaker 3: and she's also a guiding light in terms of finding
Speaker 3: your own pathway and emerging from sometimes what feels like
Speaker 3: the rubble of your own life so that you can
Speaker 3: plant a flag and claim your life for what you
Speaker 3: want it to be. She shows us the absurdity, the beauty,
Speaker 3: the mess of what it means to live in a body,
Speaker 3: in a family, and she does all of that in
Speaker 3: the public eye. Through all of it, she's the first
Speaker 3: to admit that she's still finding her way, one little
Speaker 3: win at a time.
Speaker 4: Just like the rest of us.
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