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Speaker 1: You're listening to a mother Mia podcast. Mama Miya acknowledges

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Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast

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Speaker 1: is a lot. This is fun.

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Speaker 2: Day in day out, I get darkness, I go high,

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Speaker 2: I go low. Of all the things.

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Speaker 3: Se Les Barber is one of the most recognizable and

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Speaker 3: genuinely beloved faces in the country. She's a comedian, an actor,

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Speaker 3: a writer, a producer, a global touring sensation, and, depending

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Speaker 3: who you ask, a feminist icon, a social media star,

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Speaker 3: a mother, or simply the funny woman in big knickers

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Speaker 3: pulling faces on Instagram. But behind all of that is

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Speaker 3: someone who's spent years making sense of her own life,

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Speaker 3: the chaos of her childhood, her ADHD diagnosis, the experience

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Speaker 3: of being a wife and mum while the world watches,

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Speaker 3: and what it means to be called real when you're

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Speaker 3: living anything but an ordinary life. We talk about parenting,

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Speaker 3: body image, social media fatigue, and how she's navigated life

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Speaker 3: with a brain that works a little bit differently. Also

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Speaker 3: how she's learnt to take a compliment. It wasn't easy,

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Speaker 3: and through it all she's hilarious as always, but more

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Speaker 3: than that she's honest, she's vulnerable and that thing we

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Speaker 4: She's one hundred percent real. I know because I touched her.

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Speaker 3: This is a conversation about success, identity, the beauty and

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Speaker 3: chaos of life, and the woman behind the accidental empire.

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Speaker 4: Here is Celeste Barber.

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Speaker 2: Look, we'll either have an amazing career when this comes out.

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Speaker 4: I will both be canceled and what a rist what

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Speaker 1: Can someone cancel me so I can lie down time?

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Speaker 4: I'm tired it? Celeste Barber, Hi, welcome to No Filter.

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Speaker 1: It's nice to be here. We've already started, have you?

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Speaker 3: We have started, but I just thought I'll do an introduction,

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Speaker 3: of course, because we will be like, who is she?

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Speaker 4: I've never seen that exactly?

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Speaker 1: Exactly is that Ricky Lee? What's going on?

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Speaker 4: You are?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: And then I mean I've always loved Ricky Lee. Yes,

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Speaker 1: She's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: And then I'm like, face to face met her A

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Speaker 2: couple of months ago I did her radio show and

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Speaker 2: it was just like, oh my god, we do look

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Speaker 2: the same, which I take is a huge compliment.

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Speaker 4: And how does she take it?

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Speaker 1: I ask to take every compliment. Absolutely. I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to pop my pills.

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Speaker 3: Everyone else pop your pills, all right, and you know

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Speaker 3: your pills are actually a conduit into a conversation about

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Speaker 3: all of you.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because little Saliste tell me about little Celeste.

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Speaker 1: Oh, little Celeste, you're more than New South Wales.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I live on the border.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're a tween. Yeah, because I'm from Queensland.

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Speaker 1: Outrageous.

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Speaker 3: And so a big night for us was to go

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Speaker 4: Absolutely on the border. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I grew up in a place called Terranora, like

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Speaker 4: And so your mum cath your dad Neville.

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Speaker 2: And my sister Olivia, yeahs older sister. Yeah, just the

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Speaker 1: Definitely. She's also the funniest person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just the the force of my personality, the energy

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Speaker 1: Me that I just I didn't know what to do.

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Speaker 2: Ostracized me because as a fifteen year old, like everyone,

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Speaker 2: every teenager is fighting for their lives. They are true

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Speaker 2: Absolutely look at her. I mean, that's what I mean

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Speaker 2: Especially with social media, these kids are just on their

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Speaker 4: What form did it take that?

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Speaker 4: How was it exercised against you? There?

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Speaker 2: It was very calculated. It was two girls, in particular, popular.

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Speaker 2: They decided that I was ship and that no one

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Speaker 3: And how did you make yourself go to school? Like

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Speaker 2: I just think I'm a really, really resilient person. This

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Speaker 1: You did. Like It's also the nineties we all had

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Speaker 2: Will come and you always just had You just had

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Speaker 2: I found drama. I found you know, the drama room

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Speaker 2: just I just went in.

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Speaker 2: You make sure you see a lot sasel, be quiet,

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Speaker 2: Like, what's the fox happen now? Like, I'm sure something's happened.

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Speaker 2: And I remember, like with dancing, for example, I'd say

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Speaker 2: And I think that was the best thing she did,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got that. Yeah, I think that's really passport.

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Speaker 2: You need a few personalities, different ways to let in.

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Speaker 3: But then you're obviously very talented because then after high

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, right, I think they were congratulations and we

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Speaker 4: And did you have to audition to get in? And

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Speaker 1: I did, Lady Macbeth, Oh did you hands near being

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Speaker 1: outdamn spot? Oh really I know, I mean maybe.

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Speaker 4: A good Lady Macbeth, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I talk about resilient. This is what I mean when

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Speaker 2: I'm like, as someone who doesn't have any confidence, it

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Speaker 2: get up and you outdamn spot the Lady Macbeth monologue

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Speaker 4: Like the monologue in the world of Theater.

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Speaker 2: I remember just standing up in bike pants and going

450
00:22:22,805 --> 00:22:25,725
Speaker 2: and just like getting into it. And then and the

451
00:22:26,365 --> 00:22:29,725
Speaker 2: Terry that was our head of acting when I got accepted,

452
00:22:29,725 --> 00:22:32,485
Speaker 2: and he goes, We just knew if someone has that

453
00:22:32,565 --> 00:22:35,485
Speaker 2: confidence to get up and try that there's something to

454
00:22:35,685 --> 00:22:36,125
Speaker 2: play with.

455
00:22:36,165 --> 00:22:38,845
Speaker 4: The idea was that? Was it Terry's idea?

456
00:22:39,005 --> 00:22:39,765
Speaker 1: No, it was my idea?

457
00:22:39,845 --> 00:22:40,685
Speaker 4: Is your idea?

458
00:22:40,765 --> 00:22:43,645
Speaker 2: I remember we studied Macbeth at school and I loved it.

459
00:22:43,685 --> 00:22:46,885
Speaker 2: I was really really into it, really into it, and

460
00:22:47,245 --> 00:22:52,485
Speaker 2: I just thought, yeah, I'll do that.

461
00:22:52,485 --> 00:22:55,605
Speaker 3: That's not all of my conversation with the list coming

462
00:22:55,685 --> 00:22:59,205
Speaker 3: up after the break, we talk about her landing the

463
00:22:59,285 --> 00:23:03,965
Speaker 3: role of her dreams and how a friend's heavy handed,

464
00:23:04,925 --> 00:23:16,005
Speaker 3: kind of brutal advice helped her find her niche in comedy. Obviously,

465
00:23:16,085 --> 00:23:21,645
Speaker 3: you were extremely talented, so because and there's no point

466
00:23:21,645 --> 00:23:27,845
Speaker 3: in arguing. I don't even think you bother actually take that,

467
00:23:27,925 --> 00:23:29,365
Speaker 3: this is what you're doing in your therapy.

468
00:23:29,685 --> 00:23:32,605
Speaker 2: No, I'm trying to just take I'm trying to take that.

469
00:23:32,765 --> 00:23:36,765
Speaker 3: Yes, obviously for you were, but obviously you were because

470
00:23:37,165 --> 00:23:39,725
Speaker 3: you auditioned, you laid him a beet your way into

471
00:23:40,045 --> 00:23:43,165
Speaker 3: drama school. And then this is almost like a casual

472
00:23:43,205 --> 00:23:46,285
Speaker 3: aside when I've heard you mention this before. Then you

473
00:23:46,405 --> 00:23:50,485
Speaker 3: got a role on All Saints. Yeah, now that is

474
00:23:50,525 --> 00:23:53,485
Speaker 3: an incredible achievement.

475
00:23:53,965 --> 00:23:57,605
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, I completely agree.

476
00:23:57,725 --> 00:23:59,885
Speaker 1: I loved that show.

477
00:23:59,725 --> 00:24:03,885
Speaker 2: That I felt like I had when I got that job,

478
00:24:03,965 --> 00:24:06,365
Speaker 2: I went, I have just won a fool got I've

479
00:24:06,405 --> 00:24:08,685
Speaker 2: won an Emmy, a Tone, a Grammy in oscar I

480
00:24:08,805 --> 00:24:13,285
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe. And the people on that show, it's

481
00:24:13,525 --> 00:24:15,565
Speaker 2: and that some of them are still my like they're

482
00:24:15,645 --> 00:24:20,285
Speaker 2: my family. I love that show so much. I loved

483
00:24:20,285 --> 00:24:22,125
Speaker 2: working on it. I was on it for five years,

484
00:24:23,085 --> 00:24:25,365
Speaker 2: first as a guest, then as a semi regular, and

485
00:24:25,405 --> 00:24:27,565
Speaker 2: then I got contracted as a regular, and I was like,

486
00:24:27,685 --> 00:24:30,365
Speaker 2: I am happy for this show and still to this

487
00:24:30,445 --> 00:24:32,525
Speaker 2: day for this show to go until I am one

488
00:24:32,605 --> 00:24:33,725
Speaker 2: hundred and seven and I.

489
00:24:33,845 --> 00:24:38,845
Speaker 4: Die on it. I loved it being a patient instead.

490
00:24:39,805 --> 00:24:43,125
Speaker 2: We're all my funeral on the show.

491
00:24:44,005 --> 00:24:45,445
Speaker 1: I loved it.

492
00:24:45,445 --> 00:24:48,365
Speaker 2: It was that was when TV was so good because

493
00:24:48,365 --> 00:24:54,245
Speaker 2: it's different actors through each week, actors, actual actors coming

494
00:24:54,245 --> 00:24:55,685
Speaker 2: through and you get to work with all that.

495
00:24:55,805 --> 00:24:58,485
Speaker 1: I loved it so much. Couldn't believe it was my

496
00:24:58,485 --> 00:24:59,685
Speaker 1: first job. Couldn't believe.

497
00:25:00,085 --> 00:25:02,165
Speaker 4: Amazing, amazing.

498
00:25:02,245 --> 00:25:04,845
Speaker 3: And also from your cohort, I imagine, were you one

499
00:25:04,845 --> 00:25:08,365
Speaker 3: of the first ones who got regular giggle?

500
00:25:08,765 --> 00:25:09,045
Speaker 2: Yeah?

501
00:25:09,405 --> 00:25:09,845
Speaker 1: Took a bit.

502
00:25:10,165 --> 00:25:12,765
Speaker 2: Well, you know, in hindsight, it's like it only took

503
00:25:12,845 --> 00:25:14,045
Speaker 2: you four years, when.

504
00:25:13,885 --> 00:25:18,045
Speaker 4: You're like, I've been doing this decades. Yeah. Yeah.

505
00:25:18,085 --> 00:25:21,485
Speaker 3: For some actors, the mass, the realities that it may

506
00:25:21,565 --> 00:25:22,125
Speaker 3: never happen.

507
00:25:22,205 --> 00:25:26,645
Speaker 2: The most actors, especially now, the most actors, it doesn't

508
00:25:26,685 --> 00:25:29,365
Speaker 2: happen there. I know most of my actor friends who

509
00:25:29,405 --> 00:25:31,845
Speaker 2: aren't working are better actors than I will ever be,

510
00:25:32,005 --> 00:25:32,765
Speaker 2: or anyone.

511
00:25:32,485 --> 00:25:36,325
Speaker 1: Will see it. Just it's just a shitty, shitty industry.

512
00:25:37,005 --> 00:25:40,325
Speaker 4: And so, and you made one of your dearest friends

513
00:25:40,365 --> 00:25:42,485
Speaker 4: on the show. Yeah yeah.

514
00:25:42,565 --> 00:25:44,405
Speaker 3: And a girlfriend of mine was a producer on that

515
00:25:44,445 --> 00:25:46,085
Speaker 3: show from Marianne Carroll.

516
00:25:45,805 --> 00:25:50,645
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and she loved you.

517
00:25:50,805 --> 00:25:53,645
Speaker 3: She was like that was a great there was just

518
00:25:53,685 --> 00:25:55,765
Speaker 3: something special about you.

519
00:25:55,325 --> 00:25:58,725
Speaker 4: I know, you're wrong, it's not that great.

520
00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:03,245
Speaker 1: He's not very confident that great. And then you then

521
00:26:03,285 --> 00:26:03,845
Speaker 1: we lost him.

522
00:26:03,925 --> 00:26:07,845
Speaker 3: Yeah, you lost him and you lost him to his depression.

523
00:26:08,685 --> 00:26:12,085
Speaker 3: Yeah that was that was And where was that in

524
00:26:12,125 --> 00:26:16,205
Speaker 3: the in the trajectory of the show the show, It was.

525
00:26:16,165 --> 00:26:19,285
Speaker 2: Toward the end. I believe that's why the show ended.

526
00:26:19,525 --> 00:26:21,125
Speaker 2: I think when Mark died, the show went with it.

527
00:26:21,245 --> 00:26:24,805
Speaker 2: They tried to then pivot. Yeah, and they for a

528
00:26:24,885 --> 00:26:27,845
Speaker 2: couple of years they did her quite kind of successfully.

529
00:26:27,885 --> 00:26:31,285
Speaker 2: But the heart, it just wasn't the same. We were

530
00:26:32,685 --> 00:26:37,245
Speaker 2: absolutely devas suddenly killed us. Like it was just oh,

531
00:26:37,285 --> 00:26:38,685
Speaker 2: it was horrible.

532
00:26:38,925 --> 00:26:39,165
Speaker 4: Yeah.

533
00:26:39,165 --> 00:26:45,885
Speaker 2: He was such a heart, the heart soul, the smart ass.

534
00:26:45,485 --> 00:26:48,245
Speaker 4: And a very dear to you.

535
00:26:48,525 --> 00:26:52,245
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the way that he had seen and saw

536
00:26:52,365 --> 00:26:56,925
Speaker 3: something in you, something about the self effacing nature of you.

537
00:26:57,445 --> 00:26:57,765
Speaker 1: Yeah.

538
00:26:58,245 --> 00:27:02,845
Speaker 2: I still believe he's the reason I'm successful one because

539
00:27:02,845 --> 00:27:03,525
Speaker 2: of what he said to me.

540
00:27:03,565 --> 00:27:03,925
Speaker 1: We were.

541
00:27:04,565 --> 00:27:07,565
Speaker 2: He used to come to my place, we were worth

542
00:27:07,565 --> 00:27:11,365
Speaker 2: living in Balmain in Sydney, and we just write sketches

543
00:27:11,405 --> 00:27:13,445
Speaker 2: together and we just film them, like hold a little

544
00:27:13,445 --> 00:27:15,245
Speaker 2: cam quarter up and he'd say his part and then

545
00:27:15,965 --> 00:27:18,285
Speaker 2: and we just kill ourselves laughing.

546
00:27:18,285 --> 00:27:19,925
Speaker 1: We always joke we don't need an audience.

547
00:27:20,005 --> 00:27:20,645
Speaker 4: We are good.

548
00:27:21,685 --> 00:27:22,485
Speaker 1: We're just laughing.

549
00:27:22,525 --> 00:27:25,045
Speaker 2: And I remember we were sitting on set once, you know,

550
00:27:25,325 --> 00:27:28,885
Speaker 2: long days sitting on set doing nothing, and we're writing.

551
00:27:29,285 --> 00:27:31,085
Speaker 3: You know, that's interesting because a lot of actors go

552
00:27:31,165 --> 00:27:34,445
Speaker 3: mad on seat. That's why a lot of like mega

553
00:27:34,845 --> 00:27:37,645
Speaker 3: Hollywood types are a little bit unhinged. I think because

554
00:27:37,685 --> 00:27:40,845
Speaker 3: of the enormous yeah waiting absolutely.

555
00:27:41,805 --> 00:27:42,045
Speaker 4: You know.

556
00:27:43,125 --> 00:27:46,285
Speaker 2: Heath Franklin, the comedian, he always I worked with him,

557
00:27:46,285 --> 00:27:47,885
Speaker 2: and he's.

558
00:27:47,445 --> 00:27:48,245
Speaker 4: Brilliant, brilliant.

559
00:27:48,325 --> 00:27:50,045
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people would know him as Chopper

560
00:27:50,085 --> 00:27:53,165
Speaker 2: as Chopper. Yeah, God, he's brilliant. One of the funniest,

561
00:27:53,285 --> 00:27:56,965
Speaker 2: smartest minds I've ever worked with. He says about TV,

562
00:27:57,525 --> 00:27:59,925
Speaker 2: he says, you pay me to sit around the acting

563
00:27:59,965 --> 00:28:00,645
Speaker 2: I do for free.

564
00:28:00,805 --> 00:28:05,445
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yes, yes, waiting around. Yeah, but you were

565
00:28:05,485 --> 00:28:08,045
Speaker 3: feeling your waiting around. Yeah, But that's creativity.

566
00:28:08,125 --> 00:28:10,125
Speaker 1: And that was thanks to Mark as he was like,

567
00:28:10,205 --> 00:28:12,005
Speaker 1: he couldn't sit still. It was awesome.

568
00:28:12,045 --> 00:28:14,645
Speaker 2: That energy is so great to have around and but

569
00:28:14,725 --> 00:28:16,405
Speaker 2: he was great at channeling it and I you know,

570
00:28:16,445 --> 00:28:18,365
Speaker 2: we were just channeling it and we were writing sketches

571
00:28:18,365 --> 00:28:19,565
Speaker 2: and scenes and stuff.

572
00:28:19,965 --> 00:28:21,525
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, maybe this light.

573
00:28:21,445 --> 00:28:23,285
Speaker 2: And then oh no, no doorry and he went what

574
00:28:24,365 --> 00:28:26,245
Speaker 2: I went o, No, no, don't worry, and then he

575
00:28:26,485 --> 00:28:28,325
Speaker 2: just he pulled the paper out of my hand. He went,

576
00:28:28,405 --> 00:28:31,725
Speaker 2: stop it. And I was like, I was my twenties.

577
00:28:31,965 --> 00:28:35,245
Speaker 2: What he goes that is very boring to me.

578
00:28:36,125 --> 00:28:37,365
Speaker 1: And I was like, what do you mean? He goes,

579
00:28:37,405 --> 00:28:41,205
Speaker 1: you not knowing how fucking funny you are is very

580
00:28:41,285 --> 00:28:42,005
Speaker 1: boring to me.

581
00:28:42,565 --> 00:28:46,045
Speaker 2: It's not fun, it's not He goes, No, one's gonna

582
00:28:46,045 --> 00:28:48,605
Speaker 2: can't be like, come on, you just have to stop it.

583
00:28:48,605 --> 00:28:50,365
Speaker 2: It's like and he said to me, you are the

584
00:28:50,485 --> 00:28:53,525
Speaker 2: funniest person I've ever known in life.

585
00:28:53,765 --> 00:28:55,245
Speaker 1: Also in your work.

586
00:28:55,125 --> 00:28:59,125
Speaker 2: That's just boring, so just don't And I stopped right there,

587
00:28:59,165 --> 00:29:01,605
Speaker 2: and then I stopped. I remember leaning into the comedy

588
00:29:01,645 --> 00:29:04,285
Speaker 2: more on All Saints and my role getting bigger and

589
00:29:04,325 --> 00:29:06,605
Speaker 2: me really going and I'm going to find my niche here.

590
00:29:06,645 --> 00:29:09,925
Speaker 1: I'm good at this because I always found funny easy.

591
00:29:10,405 --> 00:29:13,805
Speaker 2: Yes, But with acting, I thought, no, you need to emost,

592
00:29:13,845 --> 00:29:16,245
Speaker 2: you need to lead him, makebirth your with your role,

593
00:29:16,445 --> 00:29:18,805
Speaker 2: or you're not Actually you're not earning you know your

594
00:29:18,845 --> 00:29:21,805
Speaker 2: craft because I thought, funny, it was easy, and he's like,

595
00:29:21,885 --> 00:29:25,085
Speaker 2: that's not easy, but you not knowing it is boring,

596
00:29:25,845 --> 00:29:29,725
Speaker 2: and I went, yeah, fair enough gift and it changed.

597
00:29:29,765 --> 00:29:30,885
Speaker 1: It absolutely changed for me.

598
00:29:31,245 --> 00:29:34,645
Speaker 3: It's interesting the friends in life who love you enough

599
00:29:36,165 --> 00:29:40,045
Speaker 3: to have that conversation with you. Absolutely this is not working.

600
00:29:40,525 --> 00:29:41,885
Speaker 3: People that really love you.

601
00:29:42,485 --> 00:29:44,765
Speaker 2: Yeah, he loved me and I loved him where he

602
00:29:44,925 --> 00:29:48,405
Speaker 2: was one of my dearest friends. And also I was

603
00:29:48,565 --> 00:29:51,405
Speaker 2: such a fan of his. Mark Priestley is one of

604
00:29:51,485 --> 00:29:55,685
Speaker 2: the greatest actors we've ever had, and beautiful gods, so handsome,

605
00:29:55,805 --> 00:29:56,525
Speaker 2: those eyes.

606
00:29:56,885 --> 00:29:58,685
Speaker 1: He's such a good actor.

607
00:29:59,045 --> 00:29:59,685
Speaker 4: We're all just.

608
00:29:59,685 --> 00:30:03,445
Speaker 2: Kind of watch him. He you know, he was so great.

609
00:30:03,485 --> 00:30:05,845
Speaker 2: For him to say that to me, it's like, oh

610
00:30:05,885 --> 00:30:06,285
Speaker 2: my god.

611
00:30:06,965 --> 00:30:11,205
Speaker 4: So at this point, have you met hot husband?

612
00:30:11,685 --> 00:30:14,325
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I'm trying to track in my head.

613
00:30:14,405 --> 00:30:15,485
Speaker 4: Yeah, you must have.

614
00:30:17,645 --> 00:30:20,205
Speaker 1: Mate, Yes, yes, yeah, I meet him when I was

615
00:30:20,205 --> 00:30:20,685
Speaker 1: twenty one.

616
00:30:20,845 --> 00:30:28,285
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, yeah, and this I also find extraordinary.

617
00:30:28,885 --> 00:30:33,405
Speaker 3: At twenty one when you met Arpi, he had two

618
00:30:33,525 --> 00:30:35,805
Speaker 3: little girls, a two.

619
00:30:35,725 --> 00:30:37,005
Speaker 1: Year old and a four year old.

620
00:30:37,205 --> 00:30:42,685
Speaker 3: Four years yeah, and so was that not a wrong

621
00:30:42,685 --> 00:30:44,405
Speaker 3: way turnback signed to you?

622
00:30:45,365 --> 00:30:47,045
Speaker 1: Oh? I didn't care. I loved him.

623
00:30:47,685 --> 00:30:50,005
Speaker 2: I was twenty one and he walked into that bar

624
00:30:50,125 --> 00:30:52,205
Speaker 2: and I went, I'm done, lock it down.

625
00:30:52,805 --> 00:30:54,925
Speaker 4: Wow, And and he was the same.

626
00:30:55,605 --> 00:31:00,525
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I guess maybe he's done to Actually, who knows.

627
00:31:01,005 --> 00:31:04,885
Speaker 2: Twenty two years later, Yeah, you know, did twenty one.

628
00:31:04,965 --> 00:31:06,845
Speaker 2: Everything's romantic. I've got daughters.

629
00:31:06,845 --> 00:31:10,125
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, oh my god, beautiful.

630
00:31:10,165 --> 00:31:15,525
Speaker 4: That's so beautiful. But the reality of sp but yeah

631
00:31:15,565 --> 00:31:19,485
Speaker 4: at twenty one, at twenty one, with big.

632
00:31:19,365 --> 00:31:24,685
Speaker 2: Hopes and big dreams. But my heart just exploded when

633
00:31:24,685 --> 00:31:28,125
Speaker 2: I saw him, and I went, I can make it

634
00:31:28,165 --> 00:31:29,485
Speaker 2: all work. I'll just make all of it work.

635
00:31:29,525 --> 00:31:33,525
Speaker 1: It'll be fine. It's a lot. It's a lot anyone.

636
00:31:34,005 --> 00:31:36,845
Speaker 3: But also you're, like you said, big dreams and whatever,

637
00:31:37,325 --> 00:31:43,685
Speaker 3: so you're also running your own race and trying to

638
00:31:43,805 --> 00:31:45,165
Speaker 3: forge a creative life.

639
00:31:45,565 --> 00:31:45,965
Speaker 1: Yeah.

640
00:31:46,165 --> 00:31:48,205
Speaker 2: I think because I was on All Saints though, and

641
00:31:48,245 --> 00:31:50,005
Speaker 2: in my mind it was going to be on forever.

642
00:31:50,165 --> 00:31:51,645
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm darnkah show.

643
00:31:52,645 --> 00:31:55,845
Speaker 4: It was all very like a job. It was lovely, yeah,

644
00:31:56,205 --> 00:31:57,525
Speaker 4: because you had those stability.

645
00:31:57,685 --> 00:32:00,845
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't need to be creating work or do

646
00:32:00,925 --> 00:32:02,725
Speaker 2: all looking for work or trying to find it.

647
00:32:02,885 --> 00:32:03,085
Speaker 1: You know.

648
00:32:03,125 --> 00:32:04,805
Speaker 2: It was my first job and so you think it's

649
00:32:04,805 --> 00:32:07,885
Speaker 2: going to last forever. I remember when I got to

650
00:32:07,965 --> 00:32:11,485
Speaker 2: All Saints, Chris Gabardi, the actor, he was on a

651
00:32:12,325 --> 00:32:13,085
Speaker 2: lovely Chris.

652
00:32:14,525 --> 00:32:16,565
Speaker 1: I must have had that in my eyes.

653
00:32:16,405 --> 00:32:19,285
Speaker 2: Like, guys, this is a family now forever, this is

654
00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:21,325
Speaker 2: what we do forever. And I got there and Chris

655
00:32:21,405 --> 00:32:22,925
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it's really and he'd been on the

656
00:32:22,925 --> 00:32:25,525
Speaker 2: show for years and he's like, great to have you on.

657
00:32:25,765 --> 00:32:27,845
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm so excited. He goes, yeah, save

658
00:32:27,885 --> 00:32:32,165
Speaker 2: you money, he said to me. I was like, save

659
00:32:32,205 --> 00:32:33,885
Speaker 2: you money, Yeah, save you money.

660
00:32:34,005 --> 00:32:37,205
Speaker 1: You Yeah. Always been good at doing yeah, always always been.

661
00:32:37,245 --> 00:32:39,325
Speaker 3: And what was he's doing at that time? Was he

662
00:32:39,325 --> 00:32:43,085
Speaker 3: he's an arst? Yeah, so tree surgeon.

663
00:32:42,765 --> 00:32:46,925
Speaker 2: Yeah, tree surgeon and yes, very much, very nature man

664
00:32:47,005 --> 00:32:50,045
Speaker 2: and also living on the mid North Coast six hours

665
00:32:50,045 --> 00:32:53,325
Speaker 2: away in Scott's Head. So I was in Sydney, he was,

666
00:32:53,365 --> 00:32:56,005
Speaker 2: and you were long distance, long distance for eighteen months.

667
00:32:56,085 --> 00:32:57,085
Speaker 4: Yeah.

668
00:32:57,125 --> 00:33:01,205
Speaker 2: And then the situation changed with his girls, right, yeah,

669
00:33:01,245 --> 00:33:04,925
Speaker 2: and he came down to me and we moved in together.

670
00:33:05,445 --> 00:33:09,205
Speaker 1: Oh, and then he had to go back.

671
00:33:09,125 --> 00:33:12,005
Speaker 4: Up yeah, right, and then you went back up with him.

672
00:33:11,845 --> 00:33:13,965
Speaker 2: And then I went back up for a while and

673
00:33:13,965 --> 00:33:19,165
Speaker 2: then went on. No, yeah, right, absolutely not. And then

674
00:33:19,445 --> 00:33:21,365
Speaker 2: came back to Sydney. We went back to Sydney and

675
00:33:21,405 --> 00:33:24,925
Speaker 2: then when I'm going to go to America and up

676
00:33:24,965 --> 00:33:26,445
Speaker 2: and night took time off.

677
00:33:26,925 --> 00:33:30,205
Speaker 3: Oh so was this after all Saints had Finnish yesh.

678
00:33:29,965 --> 00:33:31,925
Speaker 2: And I was like, I need to make things happen.

679
00:33:31,925 --> 00:33:33,765
Speaker 2: I want to be working, I want to be doing things.

680
00:33:33,805 --> 00:33:36,805
Speaker 2: I want to try have a go in America. You

681
00:33:36,965 --> 00:33:39,485
Speaker 2: and I had done and you don't understand my wants

682
00:33:39,485 --> 00:33:40,045
Speaker 2: and my needs.

683
00:33:40,085 --> 00:33:40,725
Speaker 4: I was letting.

684
00:33:40,605 --> 00:33:43,445
Speaker 1: Macbeth, God, damn it, now, don't dare you? And then

685
00:33:43,685 --> 00:33:44,245
Speaker 1: he had.

686
00:33:44,085 --> 00:33:47,125
Speaker 2: The girls, and you know, it was worlds were kind

687
00:33:47,125 --> 00:33:49,165
Speaker 2: of going like that, and I said, I'm going.

688
00:33:49,085 --> 00:33:50,845
Speaker 1: To go to America. He went fine. I went to

689
00:33:50,925 --> 00:33:58,005
Speaker 1: America and went, ah, I'm pregnant. Oh yeah, yeah, best thing.

690
00:33:58,485 --> 00:34:00,525
Speaker 1: Oh And then came back.

691
00:34:00,765 --> 00:34:05,605
Speaker 4: So this is with your eldest Lulu. Yeah, holy Molly.

692
00:34:05,685 --> 00:34:07,685
Speaker 4: How far into America did you find out you were

693
00:34:07,685 --> 00:34:08,605
Speaker 4: pregnant at the end of it?

694
00:34:09,445 --> 00:34:13,125
Speaker 2: And where were you in La driving down to Malibu

695
00:34:13,205 --> 00:34:15,565
Speaker 2: with my friend and her convertible and I was like, oh,

696
00:34:15,605 --> 00:34:17,685
Speaker 2: my goodness, my period in a while. And she was like,

697
00:34:17,725 --> 00:34:19,365
Speaker 2: you're pregnant. I was like, how dare you I have.

698
00:34:19,645 --> 00:34:24,445
Speaker 1: Company, and then came back and went, oh, wow, I'm bad.

699
00:34:23,965 --> 00:34:25,965
Speaker 1: I'm actually I about.

700
00:34:25,765 --> 00:34:30,485
Speaker 4: It when I got back. Oh, holy Molly, And how

701
00:34:30,525 --> 00:34:31,285
Speaker 4: old were you then?

702
00:34:31,965 --> 00:34:36,405
Speaker 3: So I was twenty nine when not overly young. But

703
00:34:36,485 --> 00:34:38,045
Speaker 3: in the scheme of week, I think.

704
00:34:37,925 --> 00:34:39,605
Speaker 1: That's a geriatric pregnancy.

705
00:34:39,805 --> 00:34:44,805
Speaker 4: Probably they call everything over sixteen pregnant just because they

706
00:34:44,925 --> 00:34:53,125
Speaker 4: liked big women are. Yeah, and so RPI was the father. Yes,

707
00:34:54,725 --> 00:34:56,045
Speaker 4: well they never know, do they?

708
00:34:56,325 --> 00:35:00,125
Speaker 1: Well, well, my son, I was like, and when you.

709
00:35:00,045 --> 00:35:02,285
Speaker 4: Look at the boys told so they.

710
00:35:02,245 --> 00:35:05,365
Speaker 1: Dad, it's unbel especially Lou, our oldest.

711
00:35:05,485 --> 00:35:07,085
Speaker 4: It's yeah, right, it's great.

712
00:35:07,165 --> 00:35:11,485
Speaker 2: And we named Lou after Arpy Arpi was his Lou

713
00:35:11,685 --> 00:35:15,045
Speaker 2: was Arpi's nickname with his family. It still is because

714
00:35:15,085 --> 00:35:17,485
Speaker 2: when he was little he lived in Papua New Guinea

715
00:35:17,525 --> 00:35:19,365
Speaker 2: for a while and he used to walk around a

716
00:35:19,365 --> 00:35:22,005
Speaker 2: little nappy eighteen months old singing to Sir with Love.

717
00:35:22,285 --> 00:35:22,405
Speaker 1: Oh.

718
00:35:22,645 --> 00:35:25,245
Speaker 2: That was his favorite because his dad always played it.

719
00:35:25,565 --> 00:35:27,365
Speaker 2: And the singer of that song is called Lulu.

720
00:35:27,405 --> 00:35:29,205
Speaker 1: So Lulu.

721
00:35:29,565 --> 00:35:31,725
Speaker 2: Even now when we get invited to like weddings, it'll

722
00:35:31,765 --> 00:35:32,605
Speaker 2: be Celestia Lou.

723
00:35:33,165 --> 00:35:36,645
Speaker 4: Yeah, what what sort of name is Arpi? By the way,

724
00:35:36,925 --> 00:35:37,685
Speaker 4: it's mari name.

725
00:35:39,725 --> 00:35:39,925
Speaker 1: Yeah.

726
00:35:42,005 --> 00:35:45,285
Speaker 4: Oh and he fell in love with a Pakia Yeah exactly.

727
00:35:46,965 --> 00:35:49,645
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love I would move to New Zealand like that.

728
00:35:49,965 --> 00:35:51,245
Speaker 2: I want to relocate over there.

729
00:35:51,525 --> 00:35:54,165
Speaker 4: Really, are you on the run from something so less by?

730
00:35:54,885 --> 00:35:55,805
Speaker 1: They're all following me?

731
00:35:56,925 --> 00:36:00,645
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of following, Oh yeah, okay, so the next

732
00:36:01,365 --> 00:36:06,925
Speaker 3: that was your first rocketd but is it? But so

733
00:36:07,845 --> 00:36:11,165
Speaker 3: then you had this lulls. So you had baby. I

734
00:36:11,165 --> 00:36:15,405
Speaker 3: imagine just like such a shift even you know, you'd

735
00:36:15,445 --> 00:36:17,085
Speaker 3: had the you'd had the girls.

736
00:36:17,405 --> 00:36:20,165
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very different, very different, very different.

737
00:36:20,405 --> 00:36:25,605
Speaker 2: And then had lou on the mid North Coast and

738
00:36:25,645 --> 00:36:28,005
Speaker 2: then yeah, no, work, had a new baby. I was

739
00:36:28,045 --> 00:36:31,125
Speaker 2: teaching acting and dancing at the local public school for

740
00:36:31,165 --> 00:36:33,325
Speaker 2: five dollars, just to do something like I have to

741
00:36:34,565 --> 00:36:37,685
Speaker 2: in me, I can't just sit. And then we moved

742
00:36:37,685 --> 00:36:42,085
Speaker 2: to the Central Coast and I had my second boy buddy,

743
00:36:42,885 --> 00:36:46,245
Speaker 2: and then Instagram came about and I was like.

744
00:36:47,485 --> 00:36:51,925
Speaker 4: Yes, this could be something, this could be amazing. Early

745
00:36:52,045 --> 00:36:52,805
Speaker 4: you were early on.

746
00:36:53,685 --> 00:36:55,765
Speaker 3: Do you think that was because of the isolation or

747
00:36:55,805 --> 00:36:59,165
Speaker 3: are you generinely a person that's like drawn to something new.

748
00:36:59,525 --> 00:37:00,165
Speaker 1: I think both.

749
00:37:00,685 --> 00:37:02,925
Speaker 2: I think not necessarily drawn to something new. I mean,

750
00:37:02,965 --> 00:37:06,445
Speaker 2: I like shiny things, but I needed to do I

751
00:37:06,725 --> 00:37:09,725
Speaker 2: wanted to do something. And I saw this new app

752
00:37:09,885 --> 00:37:12,405
Speaker 2: and I was like, what, wow, this is a and

753
00:37:12,525 --> 00:37:14,925
Speaker 2: it was just it was a three pronged attack for me.

754
00:37:15,365 --> 00:37:18,605
Speaker 2: It was a this is bullshit that's been put out right,

755
00:37:18,925 --> 00:37:23,725
Speaker 2: and it was all such perfection, absolutely like perfection actually

756
00:37:23,965 --> 00:37:28,405
Speaker 2: being sold as ever like you know with glossy magazines.

757
00:37:28,445 --> 00:37:30,885
Speaker 2: You knew that that was a glossy photo and that

758
00:37:30,925 --> 00:37:33,085
Speaker 2: there was a photo shooting that and that's been photoshopped.

759
00:37:33,645 --> 00:37:36,765
Speaker 2: It's a Tiffany's campaign and everyone's photoshopped, and that's what

760
00:37:36,805 --> 00:37:40,325
Speaker 2: they're selling us with Instagram. I was like, this isn't

761
00:37:40,445 --> 00:37:43,205
Speaker 2: you know to be like this is I'm just finished breastfeeding.

762
00:37:43,485 --> 00:37:45,725
Speaker 2: That what looks like when you finish breastfeeding. That's not

763
00:37:45,725 --> 00:37:47,885
Speaker 2: what it looks like at all. So I kind of

764
00:37:47,885 --> 00:37:49,405
Speaker 2: wanted to cut through the bullshit of that.

765
00:37:49,565 --> 00:37:50,325
Speaker 1: I just thought it was.

766
00:37:51,045 --> 00:37:57,525
Speaker 2: I was going to say, you've got maybe who did it?

767
00:37:58,245 --> 00:37:59,405
Speaker 1: We were sending them?

768
00:38:00,045 --> 00:38:03,685
Speaker 2: Was I was sending to Olivia, my sister, each other,

769
00:38:04,285 --> 00:38:06,725
Speaker 2: and yes, what it looks like. I just write a

770
00:38:06,885 --> 00:38:09,685
Speaker 2: challenge accepted. She's like, you know, just kind of answering,

771
00:38:09,725 --> 00:38:11,685
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm going to do some but

772
00:38:11,765 --> 00:38:14,685
Speaker 2: I remember doing it and going, this is going to

773
00:38:14,725 --> 00:38:16,805
Speaker 2: be good. I think people want to say this. I

774
00:38:16,845 --> 00:38:17,405
Speaker 2: think people.

775
00:38:17,685 --> 00:38:19,125
Speaker 4: And also it's funny.

776
00:38:19,205 --> 00:38:21,205
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know funny. I know what's funny.

777
00:38:21,245 --> 00:38:24,165
Speaker 4: So that was your first what was your first one?

778
00:38:25,725 --> 00:38:31,245
Speaker 2: First one was a yoga pose off a website.

779
00:38:32,125 --> 00:38:33,765
Speaker 1: Then they then put it on Insta.

780
00:38:34,685 --> 00:38:39,245
Speaker 2: I later learned that the website was run by one

781
00:38:39,285 --> 00:38:42,685
Speaker 2: of the girls who bullied me at school. I know, Yeah,

782
00:38:42,685 --> 00:38:45,685
Speaker 2: I don't fuck around.

783
00:38:44,605 --> 00:38:49,285
Speaker 4: Ye when the woods come to.

784
00:38:49,445 --> 00:38:55,445
Speaker 2: Dunsane, Yeah, yeah, and I did it. I remember the

785
00:38:55,485 --> 00:38:58,205
Speaker 2: caption was I'm starting something. That's all I wrote. And

786
00:38:58,205 --> 00:39:02,605
Speaker 2: then stage less challenge accepted and then yeah, that was

787
00:39:02,685 --> 00:39:04,245
Speaker 2: kind of just The first one was just a silly

788
00:39:04,325 --> 00:39:06,605
Speaker 2: yoga pos and I had Buddy who was then in

789
00:39:06,645 --> 00:39:10,005
Speaker 2: a little walky in the background, kind of showing what

790
00:39:10,005 --> 00:39:11,965
Speaker 2: it's like to be at home trying to do yoga.

791
00:39:12,245 --> 00:39:13,685
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, very simple.

792
00:39:13,685 --> 00:39:15,805
Speaker 3: Also, you know what I love when the threads of

793
00:39:15,845 --> 00:39:19,525
Speaker 3: a story come together. Everyone loves a redemption arc, which

794
00:39:19,565 --> 00:39:21,165
Speaker 3: you're at the start of you don't even know at

795
00:39:21,165 --> 00:39:24,485
Speaker 3: that point, but also that all the things that you've

796
00:39:24,485 --> 00:39:27,765
Speaker 3: done until that point, have are going to stand you

797
00:39:27,885 --> 00:39:29,005
Speaker 3: in such good stead.

798
00:39:29,485 --> 00:39:33,445
Speaker 4: You are a magnificent mover. Yeah, isn't that.

799
00:39:33,365 --> 00:39:34,485
Speaker 1: Everything's in my body?

800
00:39:34,765 --> 00:39:39,285
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's just start here.

801
00:39:39,365 --> 00:39:45,165
Speaker 3: It's really interesting in your parodying of these perfect posts

802
00:39:45,245 --> 00:39:49,245
Speaker 3: or whatever, and that you are actually a brilliant mover.

803
00:39:49,525 --> 00:39:53,125
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, that's what I find funny physical comedy. I

804
00:39:53,165 --> 00:39:55,965
Speaker 2: love slapstick. I love so to be able to do

805
00:39:56,005 --> 00:39:58,045
Speaker 2: that and morph my body in those ways, I think

806
00:39:58,045 --> 00:39:59,965
Speaker 2: that's part of the reason it works.

807
00:40:00,285 --> 00:40:04,245
Speaker 4: Yeah. But what I'm saying is it looks clumsy. Yeah,

808
00:40:04,285 --> 00:40:05,085
Speaker 4: it looks clumsy.

809
00:40:05,165 --> 00:40:07,765
Speaker 2: But I think my theory is I think it takes

810
00:40:07,765 --> 00:40:11,485
Speaker 2: a coordinated person to be to look clumsy. Yeah right,

811
00:40:11,685 --> 00:40:13,845
Speaker 2: because I'm coordinated and I know what I'm doing that

812
00:40:13,925 --> 00:40:15,325
Speaker 2: I can, you know, sell.

813
00:40:15,125 --> 00:40:16,005
Speaker 4: It as clumsy.

814
00:40:16,085 --> 00:40:19,605
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, whereas there's actually a great there's a great

815
00:40:20,245 --> 00:40:21,845
Speaker 3: physical expertise to it.

816
00:40:22,165 --> 00:40:23,605
Speaker 1: Oh thanks, don't you think?

817
00:40:24,125 --> 00:40:27,405
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not That's what I'm saying. Thanks. Yeah.

818
00:40:27,445 --> 00:40:30,125
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like I said, I know, I know what I'm doing.

819
00:40:30,165 --> 00:40:34,285
Speaker 2: I know how to take something, flip it and make

820
00:40:34,325 --> 00:40:36,965
Speaker 2: it funnier, make it, give it a different lens. And

821
00:40:37,045 --> 00:40:39,285
Speaker 2: I know my physicality absolutely helped and we're not with

822
00:40:39,285 --> 00:40:39,885
Speaker 2: my stand up.

823
00:40:39,925 --> 00:40:42,965
Speaker 1: I went around that stage like an idiot, and sure

824
00:40:43,125 --> 00:40:46,205
Speaker 1: I try, yeah always sure, Well, because tom Ford said

825
00:40:46,245 --> 00:40:47,725
Speaker 1: I need to play to my legs.

826
00:40:47,765 --> 00:40:48,645
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got great leads.

827
00:40:48,685 --> 00:40:51,685
Speaker 2: So I always legs and lashes in between the big

828
00:40:51,685 --> 00:40:54,125
Speaker 2: old mess. But I got great fucking legs and great lashes.

829
00:40:54,525 --> 00:40:55,725
Speaker 4: And so tom Ford.

830
00:40:55,765 --> 00:40:59,805
Speaker 3: The friendship came as a result of the parodies. Yeah,

831
00:40:59,805 --> 00:41:04,845
Speaker 3: and how when did they really start to gather momentum

832
00:41:04,885 --> 00:41:07,845
Speaker 3: when you really went, oh this is there's been ignition.

833
00:41:08,685 --> 00:41:12,765
Speaker 2: I did a post. It wasn't long after I had started.

834
00:41:13,325 --> 00:41:14,045
Speaker 1: I did a.

835
00:41:13,925 --> 00:41:17,485
Speaker 2: Post of Kim Kardashian if you heard of her? Oh

836
00:41:17,645 --> 00:41:21,405
Speaker 2: was that on the dirt pile? Is she Yeah, she's

837
00:41:21,485 --> 00:41:25,925
Speaker 2: a lawyer and an actor, that's an activist, and I'm

838
00:41:25,965 --> 00:41:31,365
Speaker 2: pretty sure she invented feminism. Yeah, yeah, she did it

839
00:41:31,485 --> 00:41:34,485
Speaker 2: a photo They do a pile, and I did it.

840
00:41:34,565 --> 00:41:37,245
Speaker 2: I did a period of it, and then I think

841
00:41:37,285 --> 00:41:39,885
Speaker 2: the ever credible Daily Mail got ahold of it and

842
00:41:40,365 --> 00:41:43,365
Speaker 2: sent it out and I woke up to fifty thousand

843
00:41:43,365 --> 00:41:47,405
Speaker 2: followers in twenty fifteen.

844
00:41:47,325 --> 00:41:48,965
Speaker 4: Which is a lot a losh.

845
00:41:49,045 --> 00:41:53,045
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you got the affirmation of I mean you

846
00:41:53,085 --> 00:41:54,325
Speaker 3: already had it from yourself.

847
00:41:54,485 --> 00:41:54,685
Speaker 1: Oh.

848
00:41:54,685 --> 00:41:56,245
Speaker 2: But then I got so so I was like, oh

849
00:41:56,325 --> 00:41:58,125
Speaker 2: my god. Remember we had friends over at the time,

850
00:41:58,165 --> 00:42:00,845
Speaker 2: and I was like, everyone just popped fine seven photos

851
00:42:00,845 --> 00:42:05,125
Speaker 2: I was doing and I just would back because I also,

852
00:42:05,245 --> 00:42:06,965
Speaker 2: I was saying before about the three pronged attack. I

853
00:42:07,005 --> 00:42:09,005
Speaker 2: also knew that it was funny and that I wanted

854
00:42:09,045 --> 00:42:10,965
Speaker 2: to work work, and that this was a good platform

855
00:42:11,005 --> 00:42:13,765
Speaker 2: to show that I know I'm a comedian, Like, we

856
00:42:13,805 --> 00:42:17,165
Speaker 2: don't have many comedy clubs here in Australia, Sydney, maybe

857
00:42:17,205 --> 00:42:19,605
Speaker 2: something in Melbourne down here, and you had, but I

858
00:42:19,605 --> 00:42:21,805
Speaker 2: had kids and I'm not a stand up by trade,

859
00:42:22,085 --> 00:42:25,325
Speaker 2: acted by trade. So I was like, this is good,

860
00:42:25,405 --> 00:42:27,525
Speaker 2: this is smart. I know, I know this is going

861
00:42:27,605 --> 00:42:29,205
Speaker 2: to be good. And then when it started to get

862
00:42:29,205 --> 00:42:31,605
Speaker 2: traction and people started to see it, I was like great,

863
00:42:31,645 --> 00:42:33,285
Speaker 2: and I would Then I got busy.

864
00:42:33,325 --> 00:42:34,885
Speaker 1: I would post two three.

865
00:42:34,685 --> 00:42:39,925
Speaker 2: Times a day because out absolutely and it's always been

866
00:42:39,965 --> 00:42:42,645
Speaker 2: the goal is to work. I've always just want I've

867
00:42:42,685 --> 00:42:44,965
Speaker 2: just always wanted to work. And I thought this, and

868
00:42:44,965 --> 00:42:48,485
Speaker 2: I remember sending it to people who had like followings,

869
00:42:48,525 --> 00:42:51,725
Speaker 2: like friends of mine, carry it dire one of my

870
00:42:51,845 --> 00:42:54,405
Speaker 2: oldest mates. I was like, can you share this, I

871
00:42:54,405 --> 00:42:55,845
Speaker 2: think this is kind of funny. Can you give me

872
00:42:55,845 --> 00:42:57,645
Speaker 2: a shout out? Like just knowing, I wanted to just

873
00:42:57,685 --> 00:42:59,925
Speaker 2: push it out. I wanted people to see.

874
00:42:59,685 --> 00:43:02,045
Speaker 1: It like I was because I knew.

875
00:43:03,085 --> 00:43:05,845
Speaker 2: I knew it was making women laugh and not hate

876
00:43:05,885 --> 00:43:10,645
Speaker 2: themselves as much fighting against everything that is pushed on us.

877
00:43:10,765 --> 00:43:13,485
Speaker 2: And I also knew it was funny and I wanted

878
00:43:14,165 --> 00:43:16,005
Speaker 2: producers and directors to see it.

879
00:43:16,085 --> 00:43:17,565
Speaker 4: A girlfriend of mine said to me.

880
00:43:19,205 --> 00:43:23,005
Speaker 3: Years ago, Actually, she said, I hate Instagram. It makes

881
00:43:23,005 --> 00:43:25,765
Speaker 3: me feel bad about my life, and I love my life.

882
00:43:26,525 --> 00:43:30,325
Speaker 3: And so what you did was kind of reclaim. It

883
00:43:30,365 --> 00:43:33,605
Speaker 3: was kind of Emperor's new clothes in a way, wasn't it.

884
00:43:33,645 --> 00:43:36,685
Speaker 3: Because it was like when you've just fed a diet

885
00:43:36,765 --> 00:43:39,565
Speaker 3: of something, you kind of think that's that's just the

886
00:43:39,605 --> 00:43:42,365
Speaker 3: only meal that's available. And something about what you did

887
00:43:42,485 --> 00:43:44,365
Speaker 3: reset things for women.

888
00:43:45,645 --> 00:43:46,445
Speaker 4: And made us.

889
00:43:46,365 --> 00:43:51,565
Speaker 3: Go, oh, actually, that's ridiculous, absolutely, And that's the you know,

890
00:43:52,805 --> 00:43:55,965
Speaker 3: people have different opinions on the posts that I do

891
00:43:56,205 --> 00:43:59,525
Speaker 3: or whatever, but the first thing that people do.

892
00:43:59,445 --> 00:44:01,405
Speaker 2: And what I want is for them to laugh, and

893
00:44:01,485 --> 00:44:04,645
Speaker 2: then they can go she looks shit, whatever, she doesn't

894
00:44:04,645 --> 00:44:07,085
Speaker 2: look bad enough. She looks to Yeah, She's the best

895
00:44:07,085 --> 00:44:08,565
Speaker 2: thing I've seen in my life. But the first thing

896
00:44:08,605 --> 00:44:12,005
Speaker 2: is love to be like yeah, and that's because, like

897
00:44:12,005 --> 00:44:14,405
Speaker 2: I said before about magazines, you can put them down.

898
00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:17,325
Speaker 2: But when it's three in the morning and you're trying

899
00:44:17,325 --> 00:44:19,365
Speaker 2: to breastfeed a baby that will not breastfeed, and you're

900
00:44:19,405 --> 00:44:22,925
Speaker 2: on your phone and you're scrolling seeing all of this steak.

901
00:44:22,885 --> 00:44:24,285
Speaker 4: It seeps again.

902
00:44:24,525 --> 00:44:30,485
Speaker 1: Social media seeps in through our pores and we'lining it absolutely,

903
00:44:30,565 --> 00:44:32,485
Speaker 1: and I wanted to cut that off. I wanted to

904
00:44:32,565 --> 00:44:33,125
Speaker 1: there to be.

905
00:44:33,125 --> 00:44:36,485
Speaker 2: A little break in that to try to make us

906
00:44:36,525 --> 00:44:37,205
Speaker 2: not hate it.

907
00:44:37,205 --> 00:44:42,325
Speaker 3: Okay, But so here's the thing, Because you obviously consume

908
00:44:42,405 --> 00:44:45,965
Speaker 3: a lot of it because you're, you know, looking for.

909
00:44:45,845 --> 00:44:49,325
Speaker 4: The next or the thing that resonates with you. How

910
00:44:49,365 --> 00:44:52,085
Speaker 4: do you keep your own channel clear.

911
00:44:52,525 --> 00:44:57,805
Speaker 3: So that you don't become consumed by the very thing

912
00:44:57,925 --> 00:45:02,685
Speaker 3: that you know that you're recognizing on behalf of others?

913
00:45:04,085 --> 00:45:05,925
Speaker 1: Well, I delete the app.

914
00:45:06,605 --> 00:45:08,565
Speaker 2: Oh, I take it off my phone for a few

915
00:45:08,605 --> 00:45:12,205
Speaker 2: days o, because I'm a victim at course. Actually now

916
00:45:12,365 --> 00:45:15,245
Speaker 2: it never used to be. No, but it's more, isn't it?

917
00:45:15,245 --> 00:45:16,125
Speaker 2: What is this beast?

918
00:45:16,205 --> 00:45:16,405
Speaker 1: Now?

919
00:45:16,845 --> 00:45:19,365
Speaker 2: Like I still post on Instagram the same way I

920
00:45:19,405 --> 00:45:22,685
Speaker 2: did ten years ago. Yeah, it's it's not how. I

921
00:45:23,565 --> 00:45:26,245
Speaker 2: have contacts in Instagram and they're like, Hi, can you

922
00:45:26,285 --> 00:45:28,565
Speaker 2: try doing this? Or I'll go in and have meetings

923
00:45:28,605 --> 00:45:31,245
Speaker 2: with them. They're like, these are your stats and if

924
00:45:31,245 --> 00:45:32,965
Speaker 2: you wanted to maybe try doing this, you can. Then

925
00:45:33,005 --> 00:45:34,605
Speaker 2: they always turn to me and go, well, just keep

926
00:45:34,605 --> 00:45:37,045
Speaker 2: doing what you're doing because you have the highest engagement

927
00:45:37,085 --> 00:45:40,205
Speaker 2: of anyone. And that's great because I just keep doing

928
00:45:40,205 --> 00:45:42,245
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. But my god, I get caught up

929
00:45:42,245 --> 00:45:44,365
Speaker 2: in it. I've had it last week. I deleted it

930
00:45:44,445 --> 00:45:45,765
Speaker 2: for three days because I spiraled.

931
00:45:46,125 --> 00:45:47,205
Speaker 1: I looked at it. I was like, well, I'm not

932
00:45:47,205 --> 00:45:48,165
Speaker 1: getting that acting job.

933
00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:54,885
Speaker 2: I'm not getting that comparisons in Paris. It's so brutal.

934
00:45:55,005 --> 00:45:58,965
Speaker 2: It is such a brutal device. Like I said, that

935
00:45:59,245 --> 00:46:02,285
Speaker 2: seeps in and the only way I can do it

936
00:46:02,325 --> 00:46:04,485
Speaker 2: is to delete it. I have to take it off.

937
00:46:04,765 --> 00:46:07,005
Speaker 2: I'm actually I just got an assistant and I'm starting

938
00:46:07,045 --> 00:46:11,765
Speaker 2: to schedule where I go. You'll go on I'll go

939
00:46:11,765 --> 00:46:14,725
Speaker 2: on Instagram for an hour and I'll look for things.

940
00:46:15,285 --> 00:46:18,125
Speaker 2: Then I'll get my assistant to pull them, and then

941
00:46:18,325 --> 00:46:21,645
Speaker 2: the next day I'll shoot them and then we'll schedule posting.

942
00:46:23,125 --> 00:46:23,605
Speaker 1: Yeah.

943
00:46:23,845 --> 00:46:26,805
Speaker 2: I even get my kids to say if I'm because

944
00:46:26,805 --> 00:46:29,725
Speaker 2: I work on my phone, to ask me, mom.

945
00:46:29,605 --> 00:46:33,405
Speaker 1: Are you working? I feel like, yes, you're not.

946
00:46:33,685 --> 00:46:36,365
Speaker 3: Put my phone down. It's so addicted. Yeah, it's well,

947
00:46:36,405 --> 00:46:38,925
Speaker 3: it's designed to be. But you're right, something's happened in

948
00:46:38,965 --> 00:46:41,485
Speaker 3: the last couple of years where it really is.

949
00:46:41,565 --> 00:46:42,325
Speaker 4: It is a beast.

950
00:46:42,365 --> 00:46:45,885
Speaker 2: It's all consuming when you've done that.

951
00:46:46,445 --> 00:46:54,325
Speaker 4: So at this point you're underway. You've really got challenge accepted, momentum. Fuck,

952
00:46:54,365 --> 00:46:59,485
Speaker 4: they're funny, justa just Emrata. You could just have devoted yourself.

953
00:46:59,805 --> 00:47:02,605
Speaker 1: I well, I was. I was, and then she blocked me.

954
00:47:02,725 --> 00:47:06,605
Speaker 3: Well, I know so because the thing that I've loved

955
00:47:06,725 --> 00:47:10,645
Speaker 3: is like with Cindy Crawford and you know, Chris Jenna

956
00:47:10,725 --> 00:47:14,125
Speaker 3: or whatever, those who were smart enough to go this

957
00:47:14,285 --> 00:47:18,165
Speaker 3: is actually, yeah, funny, and I'm going to go along

958
00:47:18,205 --> 00:47:20,445
Speaker 3: with it because this is great for everybody.

959
00:47:21,645 --> 00:47:23,125
Speaker 4: But Mrata is not that.

960
00:47:24,045 --> 00:47:25,525
Speaker 1: No, she doesn't like it.

961
00:47:27,005 --> 00:47:29,485
Speaker 3: Did you have any communication we know her never? No,

962
00:47:29,645 --> 00:47:31,845
Speaker 3: not from her people. No, no, not at all.

963
00:47:32,125 --> 00:47:33,445
Speaker 1: She talks about it.

964
00:47:33,565 --> 00:47:36,325
Speaker 2: She has spoken about it, not to me, but podcast

965
00:47:36,365 --> 00:47:37,285
Speaker 2: I guess like I am now.

966
00:47:37,365 --> 00:47:41,845
Speaker 1: But no, there's been no communication it is. It's not

967
00:47:42,045 --> 00:47:42,765
Speaker 1: a shock.

968
00:47:42,645 --> 00:47:45,685
Speaker 4: To me that she's not led by humor.

969
00:47:46,565 --> 00:47:49,405
Speaker 2: Yes, a bikini model doesn't like being made fun of

970
00:47:49,445 --> 00:47:53,565
Speaker 2: by a middle aged woman, it's not it's not like

971
00:47:53,725 --> 00:47:54,445
Speaker 2: breaking news.

972
00:47:55,045 --> 00:48:01,245
Speaker 1: Consumers come out and humor. I think we're a particular

973
00:48:01,285 --> 00:48:03,365
Speaker 1: woman who was used to walking down the street and

974
00:48:03,365 --> 00:48:05,325
Speaker 1: the sea's parting for her.

975
00:48:05,565 --> 00:48:05,845
Speaker 3: All of a.

976
00:48:05,845 --> 00:48:08,725
Speaker 2: Sudden, someone goes, that's crazy that you're lying naked on

977
00:48:08,765 --> 00:48:11,125
Speaker 2: the floor hugging your dog, and no one's I would try.

978
00:48:11,285 --> 00:48:13,565
Speaker 2: It's not lost to me that she's like, No, I

979
00:48:13,565 --> 00:48:15,605
Speaker 2: don't like it, so I stopped doing it.

980
00:48:16,205 --> 00:48:18,525
Speaker 1: I'm not a monster, No, I'm not a bully.

981
00:48:18,725 --> 00:48:21,405
Speaker 2: No, I make fun of an industry that makes women

982
00:48:21,525 --> 00:48:26,245
Speaker 2: hate themselves. It takes billions of dollars of us eating ourselves.

983
00:48:26,845 --> 00:48:29,645
Speaker 2: She doesn't like it, so I don't do it, which

984
00:48:29,685 --> 00:48:37,005
Speaker 2: makes me sad. Make she's the greatest, great she puts out,

985
00:48:37,285 --> 00:48:39,205
Speaker 2: but also fair.

986
00:48:39,325 --> 00:48:41,085
Speaker 4: I know that you're not allowed to.

987
00:48:42,765 --> 00:48:45,165
Speaker 2: Usual friends as well, and some of them are like's

988
00:48:45,245 --> 00:48:49,365
Speaker 2: not she hum well, so this is interesting. I haven't

989
00:48:49,365 --> 00:48:55,565
Speaker 2: banging ass somnum.

990
00:48:53,885 --> 00:48:58,605
Speaker 3: But so the tom Ford thing that was an astounding thing,

991
00:48:58,845 --> 00:49:02,165
Speaker 3: because fashion generally.

992
00:49:03,165 --> 00:49:05,125
Speaker 4: Is not known for its humor.

993
00:49:05,765 --> 00:49:10,325
Speaker 3: No, they're very po faced and they kind of to

994
00:49:10,445 --> 00:49:16,205
Speaker 3: me it seems like they come from intimidation and elitism.

995
00:49:16,285 --> 00:49:23,485
Speaker 2: Hungry, hungry, sham shaming, Yeah, hungry but grateful those models just.

996
00:49:25,045 --> 00:49:30,605
Speaker 1: Whatever y Yeah, And he tapped into that. He knew that.

997
00:49:30,605 --> 00:49:32,925
Speaker 4: That's what we spoke about. And then how did he

998
00:49:33,085 --> 00:49:33,845
Speaker 4: contact you?

999
00:49:34,045 --> 00:49:39,005
Speaker 2: I got an email from his right hand woman and

1000
00:49:39,045 --> 00:49:44,125
Speaker 2: the subject was Tom Ford loves Celeste Barber. I was

1001
00:49:44,165 --> 00:49:47,645
Speaker 2: sitting in a car park at Woolworth's at the entrance

1002
00:49:47,685 --> 00:49:48,565
Speaker 2: on the central host.

1003
00:49:48,645 --> 00:49:49,885
Speaker 4: Of course you were, and I.

1004
00:49:49,885 --> 00:49:52,125
Speaker 2: Just bought all of the you know, the red red

1005
00:49:52,125 --> 00:49:55,685
Speaker 2: spot discounted sales, chicken and a biscuit in the back

1006
00:49:55,725 --> 00:49:59,245
Speaker 2: of the car and I was like, what them what

1007
00:49:59,445 --> 00:50:02,125
Speaker 2: And it said I've printed the email habit from Yeah,

1008
00:50:02,565 --> 00:50:06,125
Speaker 2: of course said he loves you, he wants he would

1009
00:50:06,165 --> 00:50:08,845
Speaker 2: love to work with you if if that would ever

1010
00:50:08,845 --> 00:50:11,485
Speaker 2: be a possib ability. He thinks you're hilarious. And you

1011
00:50:11,565 --> 00:50:16,285
Speaker 2: know the sound and email makes when it comes in. Yes, yes,

1012
00:50:16,645 --> 00:50:20,485
Speaker 2: I hadn't finished and I'd responded and see seed every

1013
00:50:20,485 --> 00:50:23,165
Speaker 2: bit you bullied me, scho I was like, when where

1014
00:50:23,205 --> 00:50:26,685
Speaker 2: how I'm ready, let's go, Yes, and then we were

1015
00:50:26,725 --> 00:50:30,325
Speaker 2: meant to work that year. He wanted me to go

1016
00:50:30,405 --> 00:50:34,565
Speaker 2: to blame me to Fashion Week, but his partner was unwell, so.

1017
00:50:34,485 --> 00:50:35,445
Speaker 1: It got postponed.

1018
00:50:35,485 --> 00:50:38,445
Speaker 2: So I was over there anyway, and I met with

1019
00:50:38,605 --> 00:50:42,725
Speaker 2: him in his office and it was just he got

1020
00:50:42,725 --> 00:50:44,845
Speaker 2: down on his knees and crawled across the floor to

1021
00:50:44,885 --> 00:50:47,325
Speaker 2: me and was like, oh my god, oh.

1022
00:50:47,165 --> 00:50:49,485
Speaker 1: My god, You're a queen. And I was like, get up,

1023
00:50:49,805 --> 00:50:51,205
Speaker 1: and he was like no. I bowed down.

1024
00:50:51,285 --> 00:50:53,125
Speaker 2: He was like, seriously, you're in a ten thousand old suit.

1025
00:50:53,125 --> 00:50:56,605
Speaker 2: Get up, and it's just become a very lovely Oh

1026
00:50:56,885 --> 00:51:01,765
Speaker 2: it was. It was apart from me, it's too much.

1027
00:51:02,205 --> 00:51:06,445
Speaker 2: It's just the greatest creative experience of my money.

1028
00:51:06,525 --> 00:51:09,725
Speaker 4: You walked Fashion Week twenty well nineteen.

1029
00:51:10,565 --> 00:51:14,165
Speaker 2: Then he flew me out and we collaborated. We did

1030
00:51:14,245 --> 00:51:17,645
Speaker 2: some Insta posts together, some parodies. He had a whole

1031
00:51:17,765 --> 00:51:20,685
Speaker 2: little studio set up at the back where he was

1032
00:51:20,725 --> 00:51:21,605
Speaker 2: doing Fashion Week.

1033
00:51:22,165 --> 00:51:25,205
Speaker 1: And then I walked. I didn't walk in the show.

1034
00:51:25,925 --> 00:51:29,325
Speaker 2: I did the rehearsal at the beginning, and then I

1035
00:51:29,405 --> 00:51:32,725
Speaker 2: sat front row next to Russell Westbrook and Cardi B

1036
00:51:33,845 --> 00:51:38,245
Speaker 2: and Tom Hanks and Oh my God and Anna Winter,

1037
00:51:38,685 --> 00:51:39,445
Speaker 2: like stop.

1038
00:51:39,285 --> 00:51:39,925
Speaker 1: It was too much.

1039
00:51:40,485 --> 00:51:43,805
Speaker 2: Watch the show by the world, Tom Hanks, Hang, it

1040
00:51:43,805 --> 00:51:45,405
Speaker 2: gets better. Can I tell you another story about this?

1041
00:51:46,725 --> 00:51:47,005
Speaker 4: Please?

1042
00:51:47,645 --> 00:51:50,925
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the show, the end of.

1043
00:51:50,925 --> 00:51:53,165
Speaker 2: The catwalk, the doors opened up and the after party

1044
00:51:53,205 --> 00:51:56,685
Speaker 2: was out the back, and as the doors opened up,

1045
00:51:57,165 --> 00:51:59,125
Speaker 2: the video that we had just shot was on a

1046
00:51:59,245 --> 00:52:03,605
Speaker 2: massive screen that dropped down and everyone I'd see it

1047
00:52:04,125 --> 00:52:07,045
Speaker 2: so before that. I'm sitting there and I think people

1048
00:52:07,365 --> 00:52:12,045
Speaker 2: Cardi b particular, like who's this bitch? People are getting

1049
00:52:12,085 --> 00:52:14,125
Speaker 2: shuffled down for me to see. And I was the

1050
00:52:14,165 --> 00:52:16,245
Speaker 2: one that ran in late because I just was filming

1051
00:52:16,245 --> 00:52:17,725
Speaker 2: with Tom Ford and I have a chance to get

1052
00:52:17,725 --> 00:52:19,325
Speaker 2: here in time. So I run in and sit down

1053
00:52:19,325 --> 00:52:21,885
Speaker 2: and they're like, who's this chick? And then that screen

1054
00:52:21,925 --> 00:52:23,685
Speaker 2: came up and I was like, I screamed. I was

1055
00:52:23,725 --> 00:52:25,645
Speaker 2: like like.

1056
00:52:25,965 --> 00:52:27,485
Speaker 1: Just no chill at all, like stood up.

1057
00:52:28,925 --> 00:52:31,325
Speaker 2: I remember Elizabeth Debicki came up to me and she

1058
00:52:31,445 --> 00:52:33,845
Speaker 2: was like, Elizabeth, oh my god, like it.

1059
00:52:33,845 --> 00:52:34,765
Speaker 1: Was so nice.

1060
00:52:35,165 --> 00:52:38,565
Speaker 2: And then we went to that party and then there

1061
00:52:38,605 --> 00:52:42,205
Speaker 2: was like a little secret room where only fancy fancies

1062
00:52:42,245 --> 00:52:44,885
Speaker 2: it's like half the size of this studio went into

1063
00:52:45,005 --> 00:52:48,965
Speaker 2: and it was Tom Hanks and Tom Ford and Anna

1064
00:52:48,965 --> 00:52:53,645
Speaker 2: Wintour and I got brought in and Tom Ford didn't

1065
00:52:53,765 --> 00:52:55,965
Speaker 2: know I was there, and how he was talking about

1066
00:52:56,005 --> 00:52:57,005
Speaker 2: me to Tom Hanks.

1067
00:52:57,085 --> 00:52:57,925
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna cry.

1068
00:52:58,325 --> 00:53:01,725
Speaker 2: It's like she's an absolute genius. Like she has a

1069
00:53:01,765 --> 00:53:05,405
Speaker 2: comedy brain like I haven't seen, Like she's so hilarious.

1070
00:53:05,405 --> 00:53:09,205
Speaker 4: And I was like, hello, why did you interrupt that conflict?

1071
00:53:09,725 --> 00:53:11,605
Speaker 1: I know, well I tried it because it's a small room.

1072
00:53:11,645 --> 00:53:13,405
Speaker 1: And I think I was like around.

1073
00:53:13,045 --> 00:53:15,845
Speaker 4: The back, like how was how was Anna wind Tour?

1074
00:53:16,125 --> 00:53:17,005
Speaker 1: I didn't really talk to her.

1075
00:53:17,565 --> 00:53:18,765
Speaker 4: She kind of weary.

1076
00:53:18,965 --> 00:53:20,645
Speaker 1: No, I love Anna Winter.

1077
00:53:22,565 --> 00:53:23,485
Speaker 4: She looks busy.

1078
00:53:23,725 --> 00:53:26,885
Speaker 2: She kind of sha and she I think she gave

1079
00:53:26,925 --> 00:53:28,765
Speaker 2: me a smile. Maybe she didn't, but let's pretend she did.

1080
00:53:29,005 --> 00:53:31,125
Speaker 2: But no, we didn't have any interaction. I don't think

1081
00:53:31,125 --> 00:53:33,045
Speaker 2: she hangs around. What she didn't hang around for that.

1082
00:53:33,405 --> 00:53:34,045
Speaker 4: She left.

1083
00:53:34,405 --> 00:53:37,125
Speaker 2: But then I was talking with Tom Hanks after and

1084
00:53:37,165 --> 00:53:39,845
Speaker 2: we were talking about having what the best way to

1085
00:53:39,885 --> 00:53:42,685
Speaker 2: have a cup of tea? We were talking about Yeah,

1086
00:53:42,845 --> 00:53:45,285
Speaker 2: it was lovely. He was going home to have a martini.

1087
00:53:45,285 --> 00:53:46,325
Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to go home.

1088
00:53:46,565 --> 00:53:49,365
Speaker 3: I was going home to have a martini at home.

1089
00:53:49,525 --> 00:53:51,085
Speaker 2: Yeah, back time, And I said, I'm going to go

1090
00:53:51,285 --> 00:53:52,925
Speaker 2: have a cup of teen. He went, oh, a cup

1091
00:53:53,005 --> 00:53:55,685
Speaker 2: of tea, and I said, yeah. We talked about the

1092
00:53:55,685 --> 00:53:57,685
Speaker 2: best way to have a cup of tea. Milk for honey,

1093
00:53:58,285 --> 00:53:58,925
Speaker 2: Milk and honey.

1094
00:53:59,205 --> 00:54:00,205
Speaker 4: Yeah, milk and honey.

1095
00:54:00,325 --> 00:54:03,805
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1096
00:54:04,365 --> 00:54:07,365
Speaker 3: After this short breather, we talk about how a list

1097
00:54:07,525 --> 00:54:10,885
Speaker 3: and hot husband APPI made their marriage work through the

1098
00:54:10,965 --> 00:54:13,725
Speaker 3: highs and the lows don't go anywhere.

1099
00:54:18,085 --> 00:54:24,765
Speaker 4: So you have now navigated I think, just such a

1100
00:54:24,885 --> 00:54:30,365
Speaker 4: change inter rain in your life, like many times.

1101
00:54:30,885 --> 00:54:33,045
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the way of looking at it.

1102
00:54:33,765 --> 00:54:40,285
Speaker 4: RPI is always your sherpa. Yeah, he's my king. Yeah, yeah,

1103
00:54:40,285 --> 00:54:44,565
Speaker 4: he's my guy. And so how what's changed in that?

1104
00:54:45,565 --> 00:54:49,645
Speaker 3: Like, so you've gone from rags to riches and from

1105
00:54:50,245 --> 00:54:55,565
Speaker 3: you know, the isolation to the whole world. Like, what's

1106
00:54:56,205 --> 00:54:59,565
Speaker 3: changed or what's been the constant with you guys?

1107
00:55:00,445 --> 00:55:03,845
Speaker 2: The constant for us, and I know this sounds cliche

1108
00:55:04,085 --> 00:55:09,325
Speaker 2: or annoying, is love. We have such a desperate life

1109
00:55:09,445 --> 00:55:11,925
Speaker 2: for each other up and eye. Even when we tried

1110
00:55:11,925 --> 00:55:14,725
Speaker 2: to break up the eleveny billion times that you try

1111
00:55:14,765 --> 00:55:17,845
Speaker 2: to break up over a twenty two year relationship, we

1112
00:55:18,165 --> 00:55:22,885
Speaker 2: just we cannot like he I love him on a

1113
00:55:22,965 --> 00:55:28,565
Speaker 2: cellular level and I've never known anything like that, and

1114
00:55:28,605 --> 00:55:30,685
Speaker 2: it terrifies me and it infuriates me.

1115
00:55:30,725 --> 00:55:33,205
Speaker 1: Sometimes. I'm like, let me be fright. You know, I'm

1116
00:55:33,205 --> 00:55:35,125
Speaker 1: a runner, you know, the fight or flight.

1117
00:55:35,725 --> 00:55:39,165
Speaker 2: I'm out and if something gets tricky, especially not coming.

1118
00:55:39,045 --> 00:55:44,285
Speaker 1: Into perimenopause, that's fine. And he is just isn't it though?

1119
00:55:44,565 --> 00:55:47,285
Speaker 1: But I said out warning shots as well, like just

1120
00:55:47,285 --> 00:55:49,325
Speaker 1: see you know the JITs and he's like, oh great.

1121
00:55:49,845 --> 00:55:53,885
Speaker 2: But I think as well, we are growing together, like

1122
00:55:53,925 --> 00:55:57,885
Speaker 2: that is something that I've noticed that we can't it

1123
00:55:57,965 --> 00:56:01,725
Speaker 2: can't just lock it off. And I think, you know,

1124
00:56:01,805 --> 00:56:05,525
Speaker 2: he's fifty two. I think he may have thought that

1125
00:56:05,565 --> 00:56:07,125
Speaker 2: you can just lock it off. I think a lot

1126
00:56:07,165 --> 00:56:08,845
Speaker 2: of men do that. They're like, great, well.

1127
00:56:08,685 --> 00:56:11,445
Speaker 1: We've done yes, we've got the marriage.

1128
00:56:11,085 --> 00:56:12,725
Speaker 2: And we've got the thing, and she's doing the stuff

1129
00:56:12,725 --> 00:56:13,725
Speaker 2: that she wants to do, and.

1130
00:56:13,685 --> 00:56:14,685
Speaker 1: I'm pretty happy.

1131
00:56:14,725 --> 00:56:16,525
Speaker 4: We're doing good. How good is that?

1132
00:56:16,605 --> 00:56:18,845
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I need a little bit more so

1133
00:56:19,725 --> 00:56:21,365
Speaker 2: learning that about.

1134
00:56:21,085 --> 00:56:21,765
Speaker 1: How do each other?

1135
00:56:22,085 --> 00:56:24,725
Speaker 3: How do you I'm asking this from self interest, by

1136
00:56:24,765 --> 00:56:29,405
Speaker 3: the way, how do you get a partner who's got

1137
00:56:29,405 --> 00:56:33,165
Speaker 3: that that those beautiful like his strength is also his weakness?

1138
00:56:33,205 --> 00:56:34,285
Speaker 4: Sometimes like even.

1139
00:56:34,245 --> 00:56:37,325
Speaker 3: Absolutely that stability, that groundedness, that whatever.

1140
00:56:37,365 --> 00:56:40,445
Speaker 4: But there's also a rock don't move I.

1141
00:56:40,485 --> 00:56:43,005
Speaker 2: Have for well, this is obviously just for Arpi and I.

1142
00:56:43,165 --> 00:56:46,445
Speaker 2: But one thing that I'm really trying to do with

1143
00:56:46,525 --> 00:56:48,565
Speaker 2: him more and more is empower him more.

1144
00:56:49,205 --> 00:56:52,405
Speaker 1: I want him to know that. No, and he does

1145
00:56:52,485 --> 00:56:54,485
Speaker 1: know that, but I work on that. That's something you know.

1146
00:56:54,525 --> 00:56:59,005
Speaker 2: I'm in therapy, we're in couples therapy. That I want it.

1147
00:56:59,485 --> 00:57:03,685
Speaker 2: I want him to know how valued he is. That

1148
00:57:04,125 --> 00:57:06,365
Speaker 2: I could do this on my own. I have no

1149
00:57:06,445 --> 00:57:08,565
Speaker 2: interest in doing it on my own. I don't want

1150
00:57:08,645 --> 00:57:11,605
Speaker 2: to have the big house on the tallest hill and

1151
00:57:11,725 --> 00:57:12,685
Speaker 2: live on it alone.

1152
00:57:12,765 --> 00:57:16,005
Speaker 1: I want it to be with him and how important.

1153
00:57:15,365 --> 00:57:25,205
Speaker 2: It is that he feels valued and nourished and loved and.

1154
00:57:25,925 --> 00:57:29,045
Speaker 1: The king that he is. I'm a lot to be

1155
00:57:29,165 --> 00:57:32,245
Speaker 1: with me is a lot. This is fun. You know

1156
00:57:32,485 --> 00:57:34,485
Speaker 1: I'll leave soon and you're like, oh, that was fun.

1157
00:57:34,845 --> 00:57:35,965
Speaker 1: Day in day out.

1158
00:57:36,045 --> 00:57:38,125
Speaker 2: I get darkness, I go high, I go lower, have

1159
00:57:38,245 --> 00:57:39,085
Speaker 2: all the things.

1160
00:57:39,725 --> 00:57:41,845
Speaker 4: And why does he love you? Oh?

1161
00:57:41,885 --> 00:57:43,285
Speaker 1: I don't know. You'd have to ask him.

1162
00:57:43,445 --> 00:57:44,525
Speaker 4: No, you must know.

1163
00:57:46,485 --> 00:57:51,125
Speaker 1: I think he really sees me. I do I think.

1164
00:57:50,965 --> 00:57:54,925
Speaker 2: He he sees you know this little girl who's going

1165
00:57:54,965 --> 00:57:57,565
Speaker 2: to have a little cry now, or this little I

1166
00:57:57,605 --> 00:58:02,965
Speaker 2: think he loves my vulnerabilities. It's all of that quiet

1167
00:58:03,005 --> 00:58:06,805
Speaker 2: stuff about me that only he kind of gets, and

1168
00:58:06,885 --> 00:58:09,925
Speaker 2: a handful of obviously you know my friends and my gaze,

1169
00:58:09,965 --> 00:58:15,245
Speaker 2: they get that, but he's the one that just gets me.

1170
00:58:15,845 --> 00:58:18,805
Speaker 2: And I think that's what he loves about me. He also,

1171
00:58:19,205 --> 00:58:21,885
Speaker 2: I think loves that I go, come on, we've got

1172
00:58:21,885 --> 00:58:24,765
Speaker 2: a big life. Let's lean in m saying before about

1173
00:58:24,885 --> 00:58:29,285
Speaker 2: celebrating the joy and leaning into the winds, like we

1174
00:58:29,365 --> 00:58:32,725
Speaker 2: don't have to do any of this. We don't have

1175
00:58:32,845 --> 00:58:35,045
Speaker 2: to go to Europe for six weeks while I tour

1176
00:58:35,085 --> 00:58:36,205
Speaker 2: and we take our children.

1177
00:58:36,725 --> 00:58:37,965
Speaker 4: What a fucking life.

1178
00:58:38,605 --> 00:58:39,965
Speaker 1: But also are we going to be doing?

1179
00:58:40,205 --> 00:58:42,885
Speaker 2: I could be the regional manager for Witchy at Pacific Fair.

1180
00:58:42,965 --> 00:58:44,565
Speaker 1: I'd love it. I love that job.

1181
00:58:44,605 --> 00:58:45,565
Speaker 4: But he don't love it too.

1182
00:58:45,605 --> 00:58:48,605
Speaker 2: Actually, he would love it, but that's not who I am.

1183
00:58:50,085 --> 00:58:54,845
Speaker 2: But I really lean into what he wants to do

1184
00:58:54,885 --> 00:58:58,845
Speaker 2: as well, and that can be tricky with men. I

1185
00:58:58,965 --> 00:59:01,445
Speaker 2: find that it's like, well, what do you want to do?

1186
00:59:01,685 --> 00:59:04,405
Speaker 2: And he's like, okay, yeah, we need to figure that out. Honey,

1187
00:59:04,645 --> 00:59:06,645
Speaker 2: were sitting on the couch all day. Not that he

1188
00:59:06,685 --> 00:59:09,485
Speaker 2: sits on the couch every day, but just locking it

1189
00:59:09,525 --> 00:59:12,805
Speaker 2: off that is not That is not joyful for me,

1190
00:59:12,885 --> 00:59:14,285
Speaker 2: and it's not joyful for you.

1191
00:59:14,365 --> 00:59:14,925
Speaker 1: I know that.

1192
00:59:16,245 --> 00:59:20,765
Speaker 2: So yeah, I try and champion him as much as

1193
00:59:20,805 --> 00:59:21,045
Speaker 2: I can.

1194
00:59:21,125 --> 00:59:24,885
Speaker 3: When you who started therapy first, you started me first?

1195
00:59:25,445 --> 00:59:28,405
Speaker 4: How long ago did you start on? And off? For years?

1196
00:59:28,525 --> 00:59:31,365
Speaker 2: I came off Ritland for a while after Mark died

1197
00:59:32,725 --> 00:59:35,845
Speaker 2: and went on andy depressants, and I mean I overlapped

1198
00:59:35,845 --> 00:59:39,165
Speaker 2: those and that was bad. So I went off written

1199
00:59:39,245 --> 00:59:41,885
Speaker 2: because also I was told when I was diagnosed with ADHD,

1200
00:59:42,125 --> 00:59:43,805
Speaker 2: you grow out of it, you don't have it.

1201
00:59:43,765 --> 00:59:44,325
Speaker 4: As an adult.

1202
00:59:44,405 --> 00:59:46,085
Speaker 1: Yeah, adult ADHD is different.

1203
00:59:46,165 --> 00:59:48,165
Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that the doctor not that good?

1204
00:59:48,365 --> 00:59:50,805
Speaker 1: No, actually he was fine, he was lovely.

1205
00:59:50,885 --> 00:59:53,085
Speaker 2: It was later on that I think when I saw

1206
00:59:53,085 --> 00:59:55,725
Speaker 2: a psychologist later that were like, well, you probably come

1207
00:59:55,765 --> 00:59:58,005
Speaker 2: off Ritlan because it's not really a thing in adults.

1208
00:59:58,525 --> 01:00:02,965
Speaker 1: I was like, of it, like the how lovely here

1209
01:00:03,805 --> 01:00:04,685
Speaker 1: and not the case.

1210
01:00:04,685 --> 01:00:07,205
Speaker 2: So I went on andy depressants for a bit and

1211
01:00:07,245 --> 01:00:09,605
Speaker 2: started seeing a psychologist, and and then.

1212
01:00:09,485 --> 01:00:10,645
Speaker 1: I was on anti depressants for a.

1213
01:00:10,645 --> 01:00:13,365
Speaker 2: Really long time, and I kind of had forgotten why,

1214
01:00:13,485 --> 01:00:17,045
Speaker 2: I mean Mark, And then I had other friends who died,

1215
01:00:17,525 --> 01:00:21,765
Speaker 2: which is very annoying. So I came off those and

1216
01:00:21,805 --> 01:00:24,045
Speaker 2: went back on to Ritland. And so I've been doing

1217
01:00:24,125 --> 01:00:27,925
Speaker 2: therapy on and but like anything with my brain, I'll

1218
01:00:27,965 --> 01:00:31,965
Speaker 2: do therapy every week for six weeks and I and

1219
01:00:32,205 --> 01:00:34,885
Speaker 2: it'll be great, and then I'm like, I don't want

1220
01:00:34,885 --> 01:00:35,645
Speaker 2: to talk anymore.

1221
01:00:37,925 --> 01:00:39,405
Speaker 4: What I do on a Tuesday?

1222
01:00:39,565 --> 01:00:40,445
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

1223
01:00:41,125 --> 01:00:43,485
Speaker 4: And then when you said to RP, let's go together,

1224
01:00:44,325 --> 01:00:45,645
Speaker 4: let's do this together.

1225
01:00:45,485 --> 01:00:47,565
Speaker 1: He jumped it.

1226
01:00:47,685 --> 01:00:51,245
Speaker 2: He's fantastic and he goes to therapy on his own

1227
01:00:52,005 --> 01:00:52,805
Speaker 2: all the time.

1228
01:00:52,805 --> 01:00:54,445
Speaker 4: More than imagine those sessions.

1229
01:00:55,565 --> 01:00:58,765
Speaker 2: Well, the amount of times, the amount of times I've

1230
01:00:58,805 --> 01:00:59,125
Speaker 2: gone in.

1231
01:00:59,485 --> 01:01:01,485
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to his therapy and do you

1232
01:01:01,525 --> 01:01:02,045
Speaker 1: talk about me?

1233
01:01:02,925 --> 01:01:05,725
Speaker 2: Because I don't know what the etiquette is because I

1234
01:01:05,725 --> 01:01:07,165
Speaker 2: have a list of ship that I want him to

1235
01:01:07,165 --> 01:01:10,765
Speaker 2: talk about in therapy, but he doesn't take your No,

1236
01:01:10,805 --> 01:01:13,685
Speaker 2: it doesn't take my list. It's interesting though, I think

1237
01:01:13,765 --> 01:01:17,885
Speaker 2: in many ways they're more forgiving than we are. I

1238
01:01:17,925 --> 01:01:21,645
Speaker 2: think more forgiving of you know, the imperfections that so

1239
01:01:21,845 --> 01:01:25,765
Speaker 2: consume us. Yeah, sometimes they don't even see them.

1240
01:01:25,965 --> 01:01:28,645
Speaker 1: No, because sometimes are not as smart as us. Either

1241
01:01:28,845 --> 01:01:29,325
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1242
01:01:29,565 --> 01:01:31,925
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, you know. I mean, I've spoken

1243
01:01:31,925 --> 01:01:35,245
Speaker 2: with that many women. They're like, he doesn't do this.

1244
01:01:35,325 --> 01:01:36,165
Speaker 1: I'm so annoyed.

1245
01:01:37,165 --> 01:01:40,205
Speaker 2: Our relationships bad. We haven't spoken for we haven't had

1246
01:01:40,245 --> 01:01:41,605
Speaker 2: sex in months. It's terrible.

1247
01:01:41,605 --> 01:01:43,565
Speaker 1: Then I speak to the husband, it's like we're tracking

1248
01:01:43,565 --> 01:01:45,045
Speaker 1: really well. It's great.

1249
01:01:45,125 --> 01:01:49,365
Speaker 2: She doesn't annoy me. I don't need to going really well.

1250
01:01:49,485 --> 01:01:52,125
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know so many women who have left men

1251
01:01:52,245 --> 01:01:52,925
Speaker 1: and the men are.

1252
01:01:53,045 --> 01:01:55,805
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had no idea, and everyone's like, oh, we

1253
01:01:55,845 --> 01:01:57,645
Speaker 2: saw that coming miles away.

1254
01:01:58,045 --> 01:01:58,445
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1255
01:01:58,525 --> 01:02:03,045
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have had every experience that I think it's

1256
01:02:03,085 --> 01:02:06,565
Speaker 3: possible to have in the in the public eye, other

1257
01:02:06,645 --> 01:02:08,045
Speaker 3: than attending your own funeral.

1258
01:02:09,005 --> 01:02:10,005
Speaker 1: Because you know what I mean.

1259
01:02:10,085 --> 01:02:16,485
Speaker 3: You've been You've been praised, celebrated, criticized, you've been too big,

1260
01:02:16,605 --> 01:02:21,165
Speaker 3: you're too hot to be comedic anymore. You're like everything,

1261
01:02:21,565 --> 01:02:23,125
Speaker 3: and sometimes it's all in the same week.

1262
01:02:23,645 --> 01:02:29,365
Speaker 4: Yeah, So how do you manage that rollercoaster?

1263
01:02:32,685 --> 01:02:36,725
Speaker 2: I think I probably just write it. I think I

1264
01:02:36,885 --> 01:02:39,165
Speaker 2: just go through it. I take it for what it

1265
01:02:39,245 --> 01:02:46,485
Speaker 2: is and move on. I've learnt that you can't please everyone, so.

1266
01:02:46,805 --> 01:02:48,845
Speaker 1: I ignore a lot of it.

1267
01:02:49,565 --> 01:02:53,725
Speaker 2: When it comes to how I look, I understand why

1268
01:02:53,805 --> 01:02:57,045
Speaker 2: people would say something because of the nature of what

1269
01:02:57,125 --> 01:03:00,325
Speaker 2: I do. Sure, so I'm you know, I'm not an

1270
01:03:00,405 --> 01:03:06,205
Speaker 2: idiot in that sense, But at the same time, I don't.

1271
01:03:07,445 --> 01:03:10,685
Speaker 2: It's not all I do. It's like putting my body

1272
01:03:10,725 --> 01:03:12,845
Speaker 2: out there is not all I do. Sure, maybe that's

1273
01:03:12,845 --> 01:03:15,605
Speaker 2: how people knew me early on, But since then, I've

1274
01:03:15,645 --> 01:03:17,005
Speaker 2: really earned my keys.

1275
01:03:17,245 --> 01:03:17,845
Speaker 1: I really have.

1276
01:03:18,045 --> 01:03:21,245
Speaker 2: Like the second I got success through Instagram, I booked

1277
01:03:21,525 --> 01:03:24,645
Speaker 2: a show to get on stage. I've always wanted to

1278
01:03:24,685 --> 01:03:27,685
Speaker 2: get offline always and earn my keep. I think being

1279
01:03:27,765 --> 01:03:32,445
Speaker 2: in this industry talking before about acting, everyone is an

1280
01:03:32,605 --> 01:03:35,285
Speaker 2: entertainer now, and I don't subscribe to that. I want

1281
01:03:35,285 --> 01:03:37,245
Speaker 2: to earn my keep. I want to earn people's time.

1282
01:03:37,285 --> 01:03:39,445
Speaker 2: I want to earn people's money. I want to not

1283
01:03:39,605 --> 01:03:42,125
Speaker 2: just be like, Ah, I'm that girl that you follow

1284
01:03:42,205 --> 01:03:44,045
Speaker 2: and I can do whatever I want and you'll love it.

1285
01:03:44,085 --> 01:03:45,325
Speaker 1: I want to earn what I do.

1286
01:03:45,725 --> 01:03:47,565
Speaker 2: So I think i've kind of I'd like to think

1287
01:03:47,605 --> 01:03:50,685
Speaker 2: I've proved myself in that sense, but when it comes

1288
01:03:50,765 --> 01:03:54,365
Speaker 2: to how I look, people always want to talk to

1289
01:03:54,405 --> 01:03:56,445
Speaker 2: me about it, and I always think you're not talking

1290
01:03:56,485 --> 01:04:01,965
Speaker 2: to Gghidid about how she looks or Belahadid or Kendle

1291
01:04:02,045 --> 01:04:04,925
Speaker 2: Jenna or name all the model right, because that's just

1292
01:04:04,965 --> 01:04:07,405
Speaker 2: what's expected. That's expected how women look. That's a normal

1293
01:04:07,445 --> 01:04:09,045
Speaker 2: way for women to look. That's what we are taught.

1294
01:04:09,445 --> 01:04:11,685
Speaker 2: Part of what I do to cut through people. When

1295
01:04:11,725 --> 01:04:13,285
Speaker 2: you say people want to talk to you about how

1296
01:04:13,285 --> 01:04:14,045
Speaker 2: you look.

1297
01:04:14,765 --> 01:04:16,605
Speaker 1: Well, that is how brave I am.

1298
01:04:17,965 --> 01:04:18,525
Speaker 4: That's brave.

1299
01:04:19,005 --> 01:04:21,805
Speaker 1: You get your body out there, how brave and look.

1300
01:04:21,965 --> 01:04:24,085
Speaker 2: Sometimes I will do a post and look at it

1301
01:04:24,085 --> 01:04:26,485
Speaker 2: and be like, you got to buy what you're selling here, mate.

1302
01:04:26,525 --> 01:04:28,605
Speaker 2: Body positivity just put it out and just gonna make

1303
01:04:28,605 --> 01:04:31,885
Speaker 2: people for good. Do it? You know, can be a

1304
01:04:31,965 --> 01:04:33,245
Speaker 2: bit of a tough pill to swallow.

1305
01:04:33,605 --> 01:04:37,645
Speaker 1: But I you always hear about Lizo.

1306
01:04:37,965 --> 01:04:39,845
Speaker 2: People talk to Lizo about her body, or you talk

1307
01:04:39,925 --> 01:04:41,685
Speaker 2: to Ashley Graham about her body.

1308
01:04:42,045 --> 01:04:43,845
Speaker 1: To me about our body. We don't talk to.

1309
01:04:45,445 --> 01:04:48,765
Speaker 2: Models or people who look the way that women are

1310
01:04:48,845 --> 01:04:51,165
Speaker 2: supposed to look about their bodies.

1311
01:04:51,405 --> 01:04:52,205
Speaker 1: So I always have.

1312
01:04:52,165 --> 01:04:53,885
Speaker 2: A little bit of a thing about it going on.

1313
01:04:53,965 --> 01:04:56,645
Speaker 2: It's not as though that's all I do. I do

1314
01:04:56,725 --> 01:04:58,245
Speaker 2: a plethora of other things.

1315
01:04:58,445 --> 01:05:02,365
Speaker 3: And the body positivity thing is so interesting anyway, because Lizo,

1316
01:05:02,525 --> 01:05:07,165
Speaker 3: for example, who was just so refreshing, so great.

1317
01:05:07,205 --> 01:05:08,365
Speaker 4: I'm so refreshing.

1318
01:05:08,965 --> 01:05:11,925
Speaker 3: And I remember, you know, going to see a show

1319
01:05:12,085 --> 01:05:15,165
Speaker 3: in Melbourne just before lockdown and it was just the

1320
01:05:15,205 --> 01:05:19,205
Speaker 3: most joyous thing. And in fact, she inspired me to

1321
01:05:19,525 --> 01:05:22,925
Speaker 3: turn up at my one of my children's birthday party

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Speaker 3: in a green bikini, which.

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Speaker 1: Was a great birthday party.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, no, until I saw the fighter, I

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Speaker 3: don't look at the just it wasn't but whatever.

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Speaker 4: I just loved her.

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Speaker 3: But then now that o zimpics come along, what's happened

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Speaker 3: to body positivity?

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Speaker 1: Well, body negativity?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's kind of like I I feel like,

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Speaker 3: and this is just a superficial reading of it, that

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Speaker 3: we were all like body positivity and however we're packaged

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Speaker 3: is beautiful and you know, this is us. And then

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Speaker 3: as soon as those people who kind of were like

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Speaker 3: our leaders into that uncharted territory, as soon as o

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Speaker 3: Zempic came along, they were like, but great, So yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it happened before Ozempic came along. I think

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Speaker 2: the body positivity movement was like pushing up a hill

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Speaker 2: with a sharp stick.

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Speaker 1: Sure, we can probably name.

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Speaker 2: Let's say there's ten thousand women in the entertainment industry.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen of us were celebrated for body positivity. It was

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Speaker 2: a hard thing to push. It was seen as a fad.

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Speaker 2: It was a hashtag like me too. They were like, great,

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Speaker 2: now Harvey Weinstein's gone, please.

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Speaker 1: Be client women it's annoying.

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Speaker 2: Or yeah, great, we've got Lizzo, We've got actually Gray

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Speaker 2: and that Celeste lady, she's also and now we've got

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Speaker 2: Melissa McCarthy, she's leads of films. That's enough, girl, stop

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Speaker 2: go away. It really feels like a fad. And then

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Speaker 2: no Zemp it came along and I think everyone was like, oh, okay, cool, Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be one of those people that

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Speaker 2: have to be loud about.

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Speaker 1: Being pushing my body out there. It's just easier.

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Speaker 2: If you fought, you will work more. If you are thinner,

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Speaker 2: you will work more in the industry. If you are thinner,

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Speaker 2: you just fucking will, even if you're funny, devastating.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well see that's a tricky one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but these roles aren't really written unless they're writing them,

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Speaker 2: unless we're riding the mousetell. Yes, yeah, yeah, but there's

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Speaker 2: still a quota for that. There's a quota for We've

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Speaker 2: got enough funny ladies. We've done We've done that quote

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Speaker 2: and now let's get back into the rom coms and

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Speaker 2: the Sydney Sweeneys and the Kristen Bells and the gorgeous

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Speaker 2: young thing gorgeous girls. So I just think it was

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Speaker 2: a fad. And now ozen pic has come along, which

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Speaker 2: I think is great for some people, zempic, but I

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Speaker 2: think it's we're back to the heroine chic idea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people who are.

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Speaker 1: Already size four now are size zero.

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Speaker 4: What the fuck?

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Speaker 1: It's so dangerous.

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Speaker 4: It's so dangerous.

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Speaker 3: But not only that, it's kind of a it's like

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Speaker 3: what fashion does, do you know what I mean? They're

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Speaker 3: always shifting the parameters, so nothing that you do will

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Speaker 3: ever be good enough.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: So it's like you've got I've got thick eyebrows. I've

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Speaker 3: always had thick eyebrows. Thin eyebrows are absolutely you've got

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Speaker 3: no ass. Guess what big asses are going to be

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Speaker 3: in absolute actual body types and shapes in and out

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Speaker 3: of fashion trends.

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Speaker 2: They're absolute trends, but just that idea of small little

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Speaker 2: women because they've got to be up against the Hollywood

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Speaker 2: men who are Tom Cruise and the little guys.

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Speaker 4: Little guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is seen as a fad, which is

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Speaker 2: really upsetting because people.

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Speaker 1: Get sick of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, any fashion, bang on about it, any fashion people

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Speaker 3: want to move on from. Yeah, Celeste Barber, you're just

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Speaker 3: adorable of you. Kate, it's adorable.

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Speaker 4: Thanks selling, I see you. She took us for your tour. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Celeste has become many things to a lot of us.

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Speaker 3: She's kind of a mirror. She's kind of a truth mirror,

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Speaker 3: and she's also a guiding light in terms of finding

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Speaker 3: your own pathway and emerging from sometimes what feels like

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Speaker 3: the rubble of your own life so that you can

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Speaker 3: plant a flag and claim your life for what you

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Speaker 3: want it to be. She shows us the absurdity, the beauty,

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Speaker 3: the mess of what it means to live in a body,

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Speaker 3: in a family, and she does all of that in

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Speaker 3: the public eye. Through all of it, she's the first

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Speaker 3: to admit that she's still finding her way, one little

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Speaker 3: win at a time.

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Speaker 4: Just like the rest of us.

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