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Speaker 1: This episode of Seize the A is brought to you

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Speaker 2: Is what I'm doing making me happy every day and

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Speaker 2: when I think back to it one under five, it

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Speaker 2: was making me so depressed.

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Speaker 3: If you do what you.

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Speaker 2: Really really enjoy, and you are able to curate the

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Speaker 2: people around you and your network, and you do really

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Speaker 2: well and you love what you do, you'll be greater

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Speaker 2: that and you will get hired like you will get hired.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Sees the YA Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives.

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Speaker 3: They adore, the.

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Speaker 1: Good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day will

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Speaker 1: bear all the facets of Seizing your YA. I'm Sarah

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Speaker 1: Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned fu

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Speaker 1: entrepreneurs wapped the suits and heels to co found Maiden

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Speaker 1: and MATCHA. Milk Bark CZA is a series of conversations

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Speaker 1: on finding a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge,

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Speaker 1: joy and fulfillment along the way. Well, we know that

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Speaker 1: big life pivots and sliding doors moments are one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite things to talk about here, and they've come

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Speaker 1: in the form of reality TV shows before, but never

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Speaker 1: quite in the manner experienced by the ubiquitous Abby Chatfield.

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Speaker 1: You've seen her on The Bachelor, you've seen her win

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Speaker 1: I'm a celebrity, get me out of here, But you

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Speaker 1: may not have heard her quite like this. You'll very

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Speaker 1: soon hear from all the hysterical after how much I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed sitting down with this force to be reckoned with,

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Speaker 1: and how fascinating I found it diving beneath the surface

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Speaker 1: of what some parts of the media want us to

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Speaker 1: focus on. From growing up with a single mum to

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Speaker 1: her full career as a property analyst with a degree

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Speaker 1: in property economics, there was a lifetime before Jebedi Gate

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Speaker 1: that led Abby to where she is today. Now, she

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Speaker 1: is a powerful spokesperson, breaking down social taboo on so

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Speaker 1: many topics like body positivity, mental health, and even releasing

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Speaker 1: her own vibrt range, as well as hosting her podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot with Abby Chatfield, which I absolutely love.

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Speaker 1: But her platform was not handed to her on a

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Speaker 1: silver platter, nor was her transition into the spotlight as

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Speaker 1: She is a damned hard worker with an endearing openness

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Speaker 1: about her experiences and challenges to date, and I loved

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Speaker 1: getting to know her a bit better. I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys enjoy Aviy Chatfield. Welcome to CZA.

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Speaker 3: Hello Bay, thanks for having me. How excited.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining. What a delight. We've

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Speaker 1: already just been chatting for twenty minutes.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know it happens to get carried away,

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Speaker 2: you know, too much chatting about your dog, Paul and

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Speaker 2: Can and you know everything.

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Speaker 1: To kill a shot and my pimple Gavin, pimple Gavin.

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Speaker 2: You know it's just we carried away, right, Better start

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Speaker 2: butt to start recording.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whenever there's a Carnn conversation, I feel like we

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Speaker 1: good time. He's such a good time.

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Speaker 3: Conn is the center of the universe. I feel like.

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Speaker 2: Any conversation that from Can on, for some reason, he

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Speaker 1: He's a real launch fat, isn't he what a legend?

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Speaker 3: It's a launch pad. I don't let him know to this,

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Speaker 3: like we figured.

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Speaker 3: We've worked out well.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into your story, I love to kick

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Speaker 1: off by asking everyone what the most down to earth

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Speaker 3: You've ever been in and you're like, what went wrong there?

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Speaker 2: I was crying, she was sobbing. Had to call my

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you're welling up, babes, babe, I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, and he was so hot and English but anyway,

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Speaker 2: So I started crying about this boyfriend and then I

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Speaker 2: And then I was crying about my boyfriend when I

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Speaker 2: I have been uploading it to Instagram because I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I think everyone can identify with a spiral.

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Speaker 2: We all have that, Yeah right, I mean, like other

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love that though. I love that everyone else

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Speaker 1: and You're like, I'm just spiraling over here. Farms in

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Speaker 3: He was so you listening to this.

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Speaker 1: I love you so much.

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Speaker 3: I love you. Please we like, we'll see each other.

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Speaker 2: And also when I say cheated, we have been exclusive

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Speaker 2: And like having an affair, Like it was like I

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Speaker 2: I slept my expoys.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean this is a great I mean, who

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Speaker 4: Honestly, my life sometimes with the fucking the level of

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Speaker 4: him and I was like, yeah, I actually I got

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Speaker 3: But then I went and saw him in Melbourne when

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Speaker 3: he moved to Melbourne. I went to visited him. He

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Speaker 3: And then I would see him. Then I would see

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Speaker 1: Ye've been to the farm, being to the farm.

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Speaker 2: This is why I was like, I was looking at

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Speaker 3: He was like all the Highland cows. Like it's very

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Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, he wasn't the most exciting person

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Speaker 2: it was up to therapy as well.

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Speaker 3: So it was just a post therapy spiral. You know,

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Speaker 3: I my life is it's so cooked because my life

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Speaker 2: And then I like, by my love life, the tragedies,

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Speaker 3: I can't it's fucked up.

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Speaker 1: But this is what I love about you that you

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Speaker 1: actually talk about it. We all are having downhill spirals

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Speaker 1: in our houses and like I have so many skeletons

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Speaker 1: you know, spending hours on Google Maps, and you're just like, no,

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Speaker 3: Lot to cope with.

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Speaker 2: But he was so beautiful and he's blocked me out,

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Speaker 3: It's tragic. Married Ye. Anyway, well that's what I thought

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Speaker 2: No photos of me, and also like Google like and

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Speaker 2: Just like just like, oh my god, I actually caught

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Speaker 3: And I was like just looking at leads, and then I.

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Speaker 2: Like seeing if I could figure out how to get

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Speaker 3: It's a very very tiny towner, but I can still

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Speaker 3: remember how to get to the town. I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to say it's a very fucking small town.

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Speaker 2: Actually cart and then I like, oh my god, my

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Speaker 2: poor best friend. I called her sobbing wind and she

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Speaker 2: was like, are we are we talking about like incertain

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Speaker 2: name here and I was like yeah, and she's like, babe,

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Speaker 2: this is three intervention.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's my cone, I guess, so relatable.

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Speaker 1: But actually, so Lockdown's going well for you and your

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Speaker 1: mental health, that's great.

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Speaker 2: Like my my dating life right now, I had the

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Speaker 2: most dramatic thing happened to me like a month ago

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Speaker 2: that I can't I can't talk about, which fucking sucks.

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Speaker 3: I want to tell the.

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Speaker 2: Story so by the in my podcast, I want to

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Speaker 2: given me like fucked anxiety. I'm sitting here, like you

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Speaker 2: know what, You're alone, and obviously LoDown makes ten times

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Speaker 3: You're like, look, it's that, it's that, And then you're

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Speaker 1: there's when I was doing research. I like to research

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Speaker 5: Present nowhere at once, he's like in the room right now,

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Speaker 1: it's like to midday, it's fine, to early sorry derailed

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Speaker 1: I love her is the tits and that is why

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's me. She's the best person on the planet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and my sister and I are to be close,

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Speaker 2: It's just it's just a weird thing to have a

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Speaker 3: That we've got. So yeah, child model vibes and then yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I feel like a lot of us have those.

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Speaker 3: Who asked me when my next vibrator is coming out, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, like I fucking love it.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, she actually had dinner with my heird

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know if you're kidding or not,

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Speaker 3: Like it was I didn't want a joke. I think

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Mum's just the fucking tits. She's so funny.

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Speaker 3: Actually, you know, we're like you, Mum's like okay, darling,

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Speaker 1: People forget that you didn't wake up like that one day,

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Speaker 2: Then two years later I was, you know, getting dumped

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Speaker 2: So I guess before the show, you know, I was

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Speaker 2: a degree in property economics, Like what, like, fuck, I'd

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Speaker 2: rather fucking die I than to work in that industry again.

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Speaker 2: After when I quit, when I left property for Good

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Speaker 2: got to fucking back to fucking property. It is my

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Speaker 3: It is, babe. It makes you want to fucking die.

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Speaker 2: Literally, I want to die, and then thinking about like

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Speaker 3: But it's mainly just that I can't.

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Speaker 2: I a can't shut up, so like like.

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Speaker 2: Literally, it's all like I'm sitting here being like, do

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I fucking hate Trump. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: I feel so great all the time.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: with who I.

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00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 2: Was like kind of seeing for a little while, and

442
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,800
Speaker 2: he was like, you know, you're the same as how

443
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,200
Speaker 2: you are on social media and your podcast, but also

444
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 2: you're like super different.

445
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 3: And I was like that's so weird because I.

446
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 1: Literally let's unpack that. Yeah, I don't know more about

447
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 1: what you mean.

448
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like that's my insulted or am

449
00:19:58,560 --> 00:19:58,959
Speaker 3: I like?

450
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,199
Speaker 2: And he's like no, like you know, like if I

451
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,120
Speaker 2: hadn't gotten to know, you wouldn't have known how Like.

452
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't and throw it. He's like

453
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,360
Speaker 3: how like how Like he's because.

454
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,920
Speaker 2: I think it's well everyone things on like a badass

455
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 2: in relationships, and he's like, I would have never known

456
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 2: how like sweet you are, Like you know, like when

457
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 2: he get sick, I got to his house and make

458
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 2: him soap, Like what the fuck?

459
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 1: Like can't because you have that reaction dry reaching about sweetness.

460
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 2: See, but like I know him, can't super can't text

461
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 2: with me the recipe, you know what I mean?

462
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 3: Like I like, he's like, you know you do really

463
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 3: really sweet things.

464
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 2: And that's like partially because like I want to be niceable,

465
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 2: but it's also like because I'm like insecure relationships and

466
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: I want to like do things with people so that

467
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 2: they don't like me. And like that's obviously getting worked

468
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: through in therapy, but I don't know if people will

469
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 2: get this.

470
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 3: But it's like I.

471
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 2: Don't have any issues with who I am. It isn't

472
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,159
Speaker 2: like I'm like, oh I wish I was, like I

473
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 2: look different. I wish that I was like smarter, I

474
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 2: wish I was better at this. That's something that I

475
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 2: would like specifically change. But that doesn't mean that I

476
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 2: am like bursting with confidence all the time or like

477
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 2: self assuredness, because I'm actually like quite insecure, particularly when

478
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,239
Speaker 2: it comes to like romantic relationship, like really like I mean,

479
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: I mean therapy tries a week about it, Like Jesus

480
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: fucking Christ, you know, I think that's.

481
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: A huge misconception.

482
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 2: And that's how I've always kind of been, like with

483
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 2: my ex, like I have a whole podcast episode about it,

484
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 2: like all the things that happened in that relationship and

485
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 2: how that's like still what I'm like, Like I was

486
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,959
Speaker 2: happy with who I was, Like, it wasn't like I

487
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 2: was like being like, oh, like I just I need

488
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 2: to look different or whatever.

489
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 3: But I just didn't.

490
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like confident as who I was as

491
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 2: a whole person. And I think being in the media

492
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: makes that simultaneously. It makes it easier to like yourself

493
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 2: but also way fucking harder because you feel pressure on

494
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 2: yourself to be a certain way, and then when people

495
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 2: say things like you're really different on Instagram. While it's

496
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 2: been as a compliment or it's been as just like oh,

497
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 2: like which you can't show your entire personality Instagram either,

498
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 2: get insecure about like what I am presenting to the world.

499
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know anyway, that's why I rant about that.

500
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what before and then and then

501
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 3: I kind of in the same after.

502
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 2: It's just said I am able to have a platform,

503
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: and that's why my podcast I haven't.

504
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 3: Done it lately because I've been lazy, but I I've

505
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 3: tried to care. I just go and talk and I'm like, ah,

506
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,719
Speaker 3: and my producers fucking amazing. So I'm like Ellie's like, poorly,

507
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 3: just let me talk shit.

508
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like on my podcast, I want to get

509
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: I try people on that don't have a huge platform.

510
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 2: We don't have a platform at all, especially at the

511
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: start when I first starting out, because if I had

512
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 2: an everyone's like, you've so much just saying it. So

513
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: like you said, well, if I hadn't just applied for

514
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 2: the Bachelor's a joke. I just I'm pretty much the

515
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: same as I was when I was working under five.

516
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 2: So it's like I didn't become an influencer like the

517
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 2: way that like flex Mummy did where it's like she

518
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: is such an inherently like special person who really worked

519
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 2: hard at this and DJ'ed and interviewed and hosted and

520
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 2: did all these things, and like she's so incredible. I

521
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: lucked into it and I just did what I could

522
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 2: with it. Was I think a lot of people have

523
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: a lot to say, but they don't have the platform

524
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 2: and don't want to get dumped on TV to get there, you.

525
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: Know, on a rock. I mean, it's a lot. But

526
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: it's funny that you say that, because I think that

527
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: what is really interesting that Flex and I actually spoke

528
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: about on this podcast is the idea that what you

529
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: do isn't necessarily cool or popular until it is. And

530
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: so she had been doing her advocacy and vocalization and

531
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: building a platform since before people were actually ready to

532
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: hear the thing that she was saying, and then just

533
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: one day she woke up and everyone was ready yep.

534
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's really cool that you look back

535
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: at yourself earlier before having the platform that you did,

536
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: and you still see the same person who cared about

537
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: the same things. It's not like this all just happened

538
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: when you suddenly had a platform and you suddenly were like,

539
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: oh shit, what are the cool things I should talk about?

540
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: And no, you care about it? You were that person before.

541
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: And I think what's reassuring for people listening is that

542
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: anyone who is earlier in their journey, who might be

543
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: at the property, you know, analyst fail their life, who

544
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: hate where they are, don't know how they got there,

545
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: but also can't see a way out. To hear you

546
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 1: say I hated where I was. I don't know how

547
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: I ended up there. But then I just put something

548
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: out there and two years later I was doing exactly

549
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: what I want and what I think I'm made to do.

550
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: My like podcasts, aim is to have that aha moment

551
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: for people, like just be patient, just hang in there,

552
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: and you'll find the dots will connect and the pieces

553
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: will all fall together. If you're willing to just randomly

554
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: apply for the Bachelor or you know, take steps outside

555
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: of what is making you unhappy.

556
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and take opportunities and accept you know, kind of

557
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: say yes to everything.

558
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 3: As clichs. That is like being like, take all of

559
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: the chance are given to you.

560
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: But like see visiting with the Bachelor, people like she

561
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: applied to get famous she wanted and it's like I

562
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: really fucking didn't.

563
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 3: Like I literally thought it was funny.

564
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: I'd ended a relationship with someone that was a very

565
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: short term, and my roommate and I were like, yeah,

566
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: should I apply?

567
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: This has been funny. Like I was like, I'm not gonna.

568
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: I can't meet anyone. I was like still in love

569
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 3: with my ex boyfriend, and I was like, uh, like

570
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. And then I just supplied because I

571
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 3: thought it was funny.

572
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: And then I got on and I was gonna say

573
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 2: no because I was like, oh, my job, like my career,

574
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: I shouldn't take the time off, but like I hated

575
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: my job, and.

576
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 3: Thank god my job gave me three.

577
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: Months off because it's three months if it's like your

578
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: entire life changes, and then now I get to do this,

579
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: you know, And I think as well, it also is

580
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: about like diving into what you really really want to do,

581
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: because I could have easily like done influencing part time

582
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: and then worked part time and not really, but I

583
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: quit my nine to five in November after the show.

584
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: It so like it was you live and November I quit.

585
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: You had to do Bachelor in Paradise, and I'm like,

586
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I did that because I was going

587
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 2: to come back to my job, but they were like,

588
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: we can't give you a month and a half off,

589
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: so either you have to quit or you have to

590
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: like stay, you can't type the time off.

591
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 3: And I was like, all right, I don't really.

592
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: Want to and I was planning to go back and

593
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: find another job, and my boss was amazing and like

594
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: the job was actually way better than.

595
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: It was before I went on The Bachelor. I got

596
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 3: a holding job.

597
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 2: After batch, and I am so glad that I like

598
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: committed to it like I had, Like because I only

599
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: had seventy thousand followers after the show, like that's a

600
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: thing as well.

601
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: But I think and why wouldn't even remember this? But

602
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 3: no one really remembers that.

603
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: I was fucking hated, Like I got seventy thousand followers, Yes,

604
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: but I have two hundred and seventy thousand now. So

605
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: I've gotten two hundred thousand followers from my hard work,

606
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 2: you know, and obviously from the Jungle as well. But

607
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: it's because I really committed to it and were just

608
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: like I miss what it is. It's having no shame

609
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: about things like what FLEX are saying, Like people would

610
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: have been making fun of her who were just fucking jealous,

611
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

612
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 3: But people be like, oh my.

613
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 2: God, she thinks she's gonna be she thinks she's gonna

614
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 2: be a host or a DJ. You know, people give

615
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: people shit who were doing things they're passionate about because

616
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: they're too scared to do it for themselves.

617
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 3: And I think if I was like.

618
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't want people from Brisbane to think that

619
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: I'm like some reality TV idiot or like some like

620
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: slutty Bitch and The Bachelor, I'm like that I wouldn't

621
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: have had this career. But I was like, fuck it,

622
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: hate you all from Brisbane and in.

623
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: Case an if you're listening right now, hate you all.

624
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: I mean love my friends, but like Jesus fucking but yeah,

625
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: it's it's like not being like a shame that like

626
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: doing what you want to do. Like people will say

627
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: to me like, oh, I want to start a podcast

628
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 2: like my friends and aren't in media, and I'm like,

629
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: fucking do it, and like I don't know if people

630
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: are gonna like make fun of me, And I'm like,

631
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: who gives a fuck? Like if you want to do

632
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: a podcast, do a podcast. It could take off. It

633
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 2: may not but the worst that happens if you buy

634
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: a thousand dollars worth of equipment and you can sell

635
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 2: it on gum tree if you don't want to do

636
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: it anymore, or you can hire equipment, or you can

637
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: use your phone and recording your phone. And I only

638
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: have this mentality because I got the Bachelor, you know

639
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: what I mean?

640
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: So I was actually gonna ask that, what do you

641
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: think changed in your mentality? Because Property Analyst Abby sounds

642
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: like you were willing to sit in something that you

643
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: hate it every day and put up with it. And

644
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: I think there are so many people out there this

645
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 1: why it's called cz the ya. People out there who

646
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: are chasing the day and the goals and the corporate

647
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: ladder and climbing and success and metro and all those

648
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: things without realizing it doesn't make them happy at all,

649
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: but they'll still stay in it because they're so attached

650
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: to those ideals or metrics a way of measuring their life.

651
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: What do you think change to allow you to now

652
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: flip the other way and be willing to take risks

653
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: because you see, you actually get rewarded when you're willing

654
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: to walk away from those things and find a new yuse.

655
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's so true.

656
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: Like if I hadn't applied with Bachelor, or if I

657
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: hadn't gotten on, I would still be working in Oh

658
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: my god, that makes you feel sick. I would still

659
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm actually they like clap out sliding

660
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: doors actually get.

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Speaker 3: Me like that gave me like, yeah, a full body chill.

662
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Speaker 2: And not because working in corporate is a bad thing,

663
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Speaker 2: because I think it's aning less than it's because to me,

664
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Speaker 2: I know how fucking sad I was every day it

665
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Speaker 2: work like living for the weekend, just just hating my

666
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Speaker 2: job and just and also when you start, it's like

667
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Speaker 2: with degrees. When you start a degree, you're like, why

668
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Speaker 2: better just finish it, And then you get your degree

669
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Speaker 2: and you're like, well, I better work in it. I

670
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Speaker 2: guess I have to work in this. I have a degree,

671
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Speaker 2: and now I've just spent forty five thousand dollars on Hex,

672
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Speaker 2: like I've got to do it. And I think now

673
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: there's a real sense of again, I am very lucky

674
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Speaker 2: that I had that the boost in the platform that

675
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Speaker 2: I that I got right to start this off. But

676
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Speaker 2: I'm able now to see things in like it is

677
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: what I'm doing making me happy every day, and when

678
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: I think back to work one under five, it was

679
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: making me so depressed every single day, like I did

680
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: not want to be there. I did not like mine

681
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: under five. I honestly probably should have kept working hospitality

682
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Speaker 2: because I loved hospitality. I love working HOSPO, but the

683
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: hours was shit. And also there's no career progression, right,

684
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Speaker 2: Like you can manage a bar, but then you work

685
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Speaker 2: till four am every weekend. It's not ideal of having

686
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Speaker 2: a family, and you think all these long term goals,

687
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: particularly as women. I think then you think, oh, I

688
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Speaker 2: want to have space to be able to have a

689
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Speaker 2: family if I if I have a family when I'm

690
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Speaker 2: thirty five, I can't be running a bar, you know, Like,

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Speaker 2: but how.

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Speaker 1: Much is that like social expectation more than like what

693
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Speaker 1: if I want to be running a bar? What if

694
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Speaker 1: that's my jack?

695
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Speaker 2: I could be running a fucking exactly. I fucking loved

696
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 2: HOSPO and I hated my nine to five. But then

697
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Speaker 2: you get to certain points where you're like, oh, like

698
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Speaker 2: I've got my degree and may sort.

699
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Speaker 3: Of to do it.

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Speaker 2: But now it's like I'm able to kind of almost

701
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Speaker 2: like curate my day and curate my surroundings and who

702
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Speaker 2: I speak to. And I've made such amazing friends and

703
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Speaker 2: I'm able to choose what I do completely and I

704
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Speaker 2: have amazing management that are.

705
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Speaker 3: Really fluid and will just be like, what do you

706
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Speaker 3: want to do? Do you want to do this? Not?

707
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Speaker 2: I like enough like that we want to do it?

708
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Speaker 2: Or I'll be like, I really want to do this

709
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Speaker 2: specific thing. Can you please look into it? And they will,

710
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Speaker 2: They'll sort it out like which I'm very lucky in

711
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Speaker 2: that regard because the people have shit management that just

712
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Speaker 2: tell them what to do and tell them to shut up,

713
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Speaker 2: wheas I managed is like yes, queen, but my management

714
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Speaker 2: I literally the best pep talk, being like you are

715
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Speaker 2: the champion of the world, and I'm like, stop.

716
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Speaker 3: She's so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just so beautiful. You use the word

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Speaker 1: curate because I think that's the thing that people get

719
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Speaker 1: drawn into, like what you were talking about that hamster.

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Speaker 6: Will where it's just like productivity goals and I better

721
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Speaker 6: use this degree because I paid for it and blah blahlah,

722
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Speaker 6: and like if you don't get something to put all

723
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Speaker 6: you out of it, you'll never realize you care curate

724
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Speaker 6: your life but the reason that you.

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Speaker 2: Can even if here's the thing as well, Like, so

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Speaker 2: even if tomorrow I woke up on Instagram was deleted

727
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Speaker 2: and and TV was gone, like if radio was gone,

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Speaker 2: all my opportunities was gone, podcast gone, if I had

729
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Speaker 2: to like start again tomorrow, I would honestly just go

730
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Speaker 2: and work in like because what I really liked doing

731
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Speaker 2: is social media and marketing, right this is and I

732
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Speaker 2: never realized that I.

733
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Speaker 3: Ever even liked that.

734
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Speaker 2: And I also think I thought, like, because I liked writing,

735
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Speaker 2: I like doing all this like like feminism, you know,

736
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Speaker 2: it's like think tank sort of stuff like, and I

737
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: always thought, well, I can't have a career that because

738
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: everyone tells you creative industries you can't get a job.

739
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: You know, magazines are dying, media is dying. You can't

740
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Speaker 2: like as a young person, So you get that degree

741
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Speaker 2: to you and actually like And I think the thing

742
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: that I would like everyone to remember is if you

743
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: do what you really really enjoy and like you're saying,

744
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: and you are able to curate the people around you

745
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: and your network, and you do really well and you

746
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: love what you do, you greaded it, and you will

747
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: get hired, Like you will get hired.

748
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: And you're told that you won't. Like it's bizarre.

749
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Speaker 2: It's like I would never have done a degree in media,

750
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: but even though I kind of wanted to after UNI,

751
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: but after school, but I was like, will I get

752
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: a job in that? Probably not, So I'll do property

753
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: economics like what I did psychology for a year as well,

754
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: like what the like, because I was like, oh, I

755
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: need something.

756
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Speaker 3: It's going to get me a job.

757
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: But I would have gotten a job if I'd worked

758
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: in social media, and I would have not hated age

759
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty two to twenty three because I would

760
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: have had a job that I at least reasonably enjoyed.

761
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: So it's like, I.

762
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Speaker 2: Think, if you really throw yourself into it, you can

763
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Speaker 2: do things that you want to ask cliches it.

764
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Speaker 3: It's like you can do it. It's like no, but

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Speaker 3: you can right yeah.

766
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Speaker 2: Now seeing things from this angle, you know, seeing things

767
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: from up here, you're like, oh fuck, Like if all

768
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: this went to shit, I would just have a job

769
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Speaker 2: that I liked, Like I actually liked doing this, you know.

770
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Speaker 1: I think that's such a good point about the changing

771
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Speaker 1: the metric, like what makes you happy? Like measuring things

772
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Speaker 1: based on my God, I told you you just have

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Speaker 1: to it, babe. But I think, like there's something else

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Speaker 1: you said that resonated that you said before that I

776
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Speaker 1: talk about a lot, is you also are like, what's

777
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Speaker 1: the worst that can happen? Like once you swap over

778
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: thinking instead of thinking all the things that could go

779
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Speaker 1: wrong and how shit it could be, when you actually

780
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Speaker 1: think about what's the worst that could happen and you

781
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: realize it's not that bad, you'll figure it out your cope.

782
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: Like worst case scenario, you have some equipment, you sell it.

783
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: Worst case scenario, you go and get a deeper job.

784
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: Like I think we're all scared of failing, and we're

785
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 1: scared of stupid. But if you actually don't care what

786
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: you look like, it's so liberating because you'll do anything

787
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: then and then you'll be happy because you don't care

788
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: what anyone else think.

789
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Speaker 2: It's all about feeling like silly or looking stupid or

790
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: even like because like the worst, Like if I change

791
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: social media before bachelor fails, I want to do this,

792
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: I'd probably just have to go and work, you know,

793
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: in like a like receptionist or like a like be

794
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 2: like an assistant for someone for for years, learn and

795
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: then move up. You know, five years later, I could

796
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: be in a job that I really liked, or I

797
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: could have spent five years in property and being a

798
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: job that I fucking hated and earning probably like double.

799
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: But like why, like why does the matter?

800
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: I used to think about my bosses, who would earn

801
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: like five hundred grand a year and I was on

802
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: like you know, like a normal like you know, seventy

803
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: grand year or something. And I used to like think

804
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: about them and all the hours they work and all

805
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: the like shit that they do. And I'd be like,

806
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: you never see like to see your family, Like you

807
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: guys look so hard and it's long hours and like

808
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: travel so much, and you're doing all this for what

809
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: so that you have like a different bench top in

810
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: your house, you know what I mean, Like so like

811
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Speaker 2: the renovations, like so you can get jewels like the brand,

812
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 2: like like like what the fuck? Like it's like all

813
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 2: like you can go and you're never in your house anyway.

814
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: He's actually all like, oh, you can go on a holiday.

815
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 2: For the two weeks of the year they get a holiday.

816
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: You can you can go on a holiday. That is

817
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Speaker 2: at like a five star hotel rather than like a

818
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: three and a half or a four star. Like I

819
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: never understood it, but I was part of that, Like

820
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: I was chasing the same thing they were chasing. But

821
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: then I was like, why the fuck, Like I'd rather

822
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: work in a job that I really like, and I

823
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: earn less that if I had gone back, I wish

824
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: I could have been, like, go work in fucking social media,

825
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: Go work in marketing.

826
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 3: Go to something that you actually enjoy doing with people

827
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: that you like as well. That's the thing.

828
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Speaker 2: It was a male domated industry that was super sexist, racist, transphobic, homophobic.

829
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Speaker 2: It was disgusting, like they all wanted to vote no

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831
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832
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: of the environment even making me feel shit as well.

833
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure if I worked at like a magazine

834
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: or like a female startup, I would have been happier

835
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: every day because I would have people that I love

836
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Speaker 2: being around. But it's like, you know, just just like

837
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Speaker 2: waight up, weight up, I do want to be happy

838
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Speaker 2: every day and then have a bit of a less

839
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840
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Speaker 2: or do you want to like kill yourself every fucking

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Speaker 1: well because you're freaking excited about what you're doing. Is

877
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: a dying inside. But something else that you said before,

878
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: and I think women do it a lot. We attribute

879
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: everything good that happens to luck, which I think is

880
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: part of self doubt and our worthiness, thinking, oh I

881
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: couldn't been because I worked hard or because I'm good at

882
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: what I do. It has to have been because of luck. Well, firstly,

883
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: you put yourself out there to go on Bachelor that

884
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: didn't land in your lab. But also you're right when

885
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: you did finish, you had a really hard time at

886
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: the beginning. And I think people assume like, you go

887
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: on a reality TV show, then you just earn the

888
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: right to have this platform where everyone loves you when

889
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: you get to talk about what you want. But you

890
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: had to work damn hard to get from that first

891
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: show to where you are now, and people, I think

892
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: really underestimate that that's still a career move. Like reality

893
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: TV does give you some platform, but there are heaps

894
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: of people we've never heard of before who did really

895
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: well on a show.

896
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's the thing as well. I think again

897
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 3: not need more.

898
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: People are so lovely now, but it used to be

899
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: like get a real job, and it's like do you

900
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: not see the like do you not see that?

901
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 3: Now?

902
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: Every aspect of my life is work. It has to

903
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: be thought through, not in a in a fake way.

904
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: But for example making sponsored content, you want to make

905
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: an end to it. I don't want to do something

906
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: half fass and do shitty sponsored content for me for

907
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: the brand for my Instagram, like for no reason do

908
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: I want to do shit content?

909
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 3: Like why the fuck? I could easily do that very easily,

910
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: and you know, and get.

911
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: Paid a bit less for it, and like live off

912
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: that that's fine, but it's also like wanting to do

913
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: well at this because I really enjoy it. And after

914
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: the show, I also got asked a lot like did

915
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 2: you get a publicist or did you like how did

916
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: you turn your perception around? And it was literally just

917
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: I had to. I took every interview I worked. I

918
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: was working my full time job plus doing like at

919
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: lunch time, I podcasts, I'd do interviews all night. I

920
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: would go to events. I was writing articles like no

921
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: one wouldven really read them, but I was writing articles

922
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: about feminism in media. I was taking every single thing.

923
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: I was working so fucking hard. And it's like how

924
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: Flex has been talking about lately on TikTok and have

925
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: you seen as be talking about like how being an

926
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: influencer is a skill and being an influencer is.

927
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: A genuinely hard job.

928
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: And I think that while one could argue it may

929
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: be an overpaid job, it takes skill, and it takes

930
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: that social media and marketing skills, and therefore I think

931
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: that in the same breath, anyone who has interest in

932
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: those areas could do it, and they would be to

933
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: They would be able to do it if they got

934
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: a reality.

935
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: TV like Bouncing Board.

936
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: But I kind of was going against the current of

937
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: being a villain and like as well, like social media

938
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: was not a fun place to me for the first

939
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: year off The Bachelor, Like it was like the way

940
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: is to describing an interviews to be like, imagine if

941
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 2: because it's your job, right, Imagine you find a work

942
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: a thread of everyone in your workplace saying how much

943
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: they fucking hate you and want to die, and you

944
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: found out your job like people like I would before

945
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: the show. I couldn't even handle my boss being like,

946
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: oh can you edit this? I don't like the way

947
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: it looks, let alone with people like I hope you

948
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: die and like that's your job, while simultaneously have to

949
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: deal with the mental repercussions of that, and that's like

950
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: trauma you have.

951
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: To go through.

952
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: I was give a little girls dating me from different

953
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: reality shows being like either like should I go on?

954
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 2: Or like I think I've gotten your edit, or like

955
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I'm so nervous and I think

956
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: they want from me to be like it'll be fine, queen,

957
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, be scared, and they're like h

958
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: and I'm like no, like be fucking terrified, like I

959
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: was suicidal.

960
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: Like this is not it's not like funny.

961
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: It's not like, oh, like you get on a show,

962
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 2: you get an amazing platform, and then you.

963
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: Get to be, you know, a media personality.

964
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: The issue is as well, the people who are remembered

965
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: are are the villains or people who are polarizing the controversy.

966
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: Like yeah, so like you have to go through with

967
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: the baptism of fire as well as be smart enough

968
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: to have opinions that you really genuinely believe in. You

969
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: can't like you were saying before, Like I didn't just

970
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: come off the show and was like I'm a feminist now,

971
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: like my friends and I had like feminist book club

972
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: with my friends are such staunch feminists and we speak

973
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: about socio political issues like that's what we speak about anyway,

974
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 2: and had since we met each other in hospital years before.

975
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: So it wasn't like I got off a show and

976
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: it was like this is my platform, like I was

977
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: running for president, Like I was like, this is.

978
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: Just who I am right. So it's like, that's just

979
00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: like what I want to talk about.

980
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: Like it said, I can't shove about how much A

981
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: hate Trump or how much I like hatem Like that's

982
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: just wow. But like I think it is, it is

983
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: much harder people think. And this isn't coming from like

984
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: a gate Giddie way of like you can ever do it.

985
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: I don't people to apply for TV shows thinking that

986
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: they will definitely get a career out of it. If

987
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: they want it and they're willing to work hard for it,

988
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: then absolutely, like use as a platform a fuck yes,

989
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: But like unless you're ready to be get literal death

990
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: threats and be scared to leave your house.

991
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: It's nothing to be played with. Like it's really fucking horrifying.

992
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: And then you get like a few followers and that's great,

993
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: But like someone like Martha, Martha's an incredibly me Martha,

994
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: who else Brooke Blurton, I.

995
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: See, I love Brook.

996
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: I can't but there are a few people that really

997
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: have done incredibly after TV. But it takes a lot

998
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: of fucking work and it also is a form of trauma.

999
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: As my therapist said.

1000
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: To me, well, that's the thing I mean, I think

1001
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: because I have been around people who have been through

1002
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: this journey and who have come out the other end,

1003
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: either walking away from it altogether or embracing it wholly

1004
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: as their career, like at both ends of the spectrum.

1005
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: Why I wanted to use this chat not to talk

1006
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: about all the things that you can read about everywhere

1007
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: else about your experiences on the shows, but this behind

1008
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: the scenes stuff that to break down that misconception that

1009
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: social media and reality TV is a vacuous area. It's

1010
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: people's careers. They work really really hard to get there.

1011
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: The reason not everyone does it is because it's not easy,

1012
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: but also because I think we do think of social

1013
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: media as a bit of a playland. Like I think

1014
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: people think it's just all fun and games. But firstly,

1015
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: it can really destroy people's mental health. But when it's

1016
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: used properly, it's also a media platform that shapes the

1017
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: world of the young people coming up underneath us, which

1018
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: is why it's so important when you have earned a

1019
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: platform to talk about actually important things.

1020
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: Which you have.

1021
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: Now. Yeah, it's such, it can be such a wonderful place,

1022
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: but I just want everyone to know that you had

1023
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: to work really hard to get there. You didn't just

1024
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: wake up with that after Bachelor, It's been you know,

1025
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty, working on reshaping your perception in the

1026
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: media and having conversations and starting your podcast. I didn't

1027
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: all just land in your labe. I love that, you

1028
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: know you do share that it.

1029
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, journey, It's an absolute journey.

1030
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: Even again, I'm not looking for sympathy here, but I

1031
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: just be able to understand that, Like, I think this

1032
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: is more who I'm talking to is people who want

1033
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: to apply for these shows to get famous, right, Yeah,

1034
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: Like it's even things like and this is gonna sound silly,

1035
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: but it's the amount of interviews you do. It's amount

1036
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: of it is exhausting, like having to drive out to

1037
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: Kyl and JACKIEO forty five minutes away at five forty

1038
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: five in the morning to sit on radio for ten

1039
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: minutes and pray that you don't fuck up.

1040
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: And also it's the pressure as well.

1041
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: It's the exhaustion of the pressure being like if I

1042
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: something wrong with Kyl and JACKIEO, the whole fucking world

1043
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: will know. Like if I, like once I swore on

1044
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: I said fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. Honestly, for me,

1045
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: some people have said to me, one person in particular,

1046
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: he said to me, he was like, I get really

1047
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 2: scared of saying the wrong thing that's like politically incorrect.

1048
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I'm not scared of that

1049
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 3: because I'm not an asshole.

1050
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, obviously, if I said anything wrong,

1051
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: I would love to know. But it's like I'm not

1052
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: sitting here being like, well, I might something that people

1053
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: can offend it out because it's like I am pretty

1054
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: well versed in what is not right and wrong, but

1055
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: like what is offensive right and what is what we

1056
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: should and shouldn't believe and say, Like I'm not scared

1057
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 2: of accidentally saying like something like racist.

1058
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: Like I'm not gonna like and if I do, I

1059
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: will get told about it and I will learn from that.

1060
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: Right, I'd actually rather find out than be sitting here

1061
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: or not know. But I'm scared of saying something stupid

1062
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: or fucking up my connection with networks or with people,

1063
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: or saying something that I like that I like breaking

1064
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: an NDA back sent like shit like that. It's very exhausting,

1065
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: it's very fucking scary, and it's also you know, all

1066
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: these things you do for free, Like when I'm once

1067
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: year ten, it's for free when I'm on radio. It's

1068
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: a free and yes it's part of my entire job,

1069
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 2: but it's also like a big fucking effort. And again

1070
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: not complaining, like I would rather take my job right

1071
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: now any day over my previous job, Like this is

1072
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: not a complaint, but this is just the realities of

1073
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: being in media and how hard you have to work

1074
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: to get to a place where you can charge with

1075
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: things like ready interviews you can charge your podcasts you

1076
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: can't because you have been on so many people know

1077
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: your name and I'm sure and the biggest person who

1078
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure would be able to talk about this is Flex,

1079
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: Like she worked her fucking ass off and she still

1080
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: works her ass off, but she has spent so long

1081
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: doing shit for free, going on podcasts, building her profile, you.

1082
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: Know, even like her like thought her thoughts on.

1083
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: TikTok on Instagram, like that is all work, that it's

1084
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: all work. She like she is an absolute powerhouse. But

1085
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: that isn't just her being like, ah, this would be

1086
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: fun to post this thought. This is her being like,

1087
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: I've had this thought.

1088
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 3: It's a great thought.

1089
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to share with people for I will influence

1090
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: people and they will respond how they want to respond,

1091
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: but I'll be able to a sharing my audience, so

1092
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: give them value for following me, and b hopefully grow

1093
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: my audience from that, because like it's her funny, Like

1094
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: it's all as you'll know, it's all.

1095
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: Like there's no accidental success. Yeah, I think for the

1096
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: people who have risen to the top, it's been not

1097
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: calculated in a convoluted way, but just measured and planned

1098
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: and effort has gone into it. It's not like I

1099
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 1: just happened to say exactly in the most articulate way

1100
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: and like present it and you know those channels don't

1101
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: just pop up like that.

1102
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I think it's it's hard, but again

1103
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: it's like it's fun and it's and it's great, but

1104
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: it's also a lot of work that you don't really

1105
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: see or really think about. And yes, being having opportunities

1106
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: to go on breakfast radio is super fun, but that's

1107
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: also half my working day gone that I have to

1108
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 2: come back home and catch up on everything else.

1109
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: That I do at the time.

1110
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: Time, I my hours, I get to do what I want,

1111
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: Like it's fucking amazing, but I anyone to know.

1112
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: That is applying for a show basically this is This

1113
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: is not like a sympathy.

1114
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to see anyone. This is amazing and

1115
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm so lucky that it's worked out this way. And

1116
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm also I've worked hard for it to work out

1117
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 2: this way for me. But I'm not saying that I'm

1118
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: particularly special, which is you have to put in all

1119
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: those hours. But if you're applying for a show thinking

1120
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: that you'll get that you'll get like an easy career

1121
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 2: out of it.

1122
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: Maybe you will.

1123
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: But also, no one that has been huge has not

1124
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: done work. Martha works incredibly hard, like I work incredibly hard, and.

1125
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: It is fun. It's fucking great if you can do it,

1126
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: fucking do it. But also I.

1127
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: Given that it is such a non conventional career and

1128
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: that's what makes it so flip and exciting to be

1129
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: around in this day and age that you can cure

1130
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: in your life. As we've been saying, how would you

1131
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: now define success? Like what do you consider? Is you

1132
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: having done the job that you want to do? Is

1133
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 1: it the impact that you can create by having conversations,

1134
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: Like even your amazing collaboration with Bush is such a

1135
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: like in strict partnership terms, that is a huge collaboration

1136
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: to do, but in terms of the conversation that it

1137
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 1: changes in society, like how are you measuring now?

1138
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 3: Oh god, what.

1139
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 1: Makes you feel like I've done a good fucking job?

1140
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: Like this is my legacy kind of thing.

1141
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: And this is the issue with this job as well,

1142
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: is you don't really have any milestones like in my

1143
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: old job, like you have like monthly KPIs yes and now.

1144
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: And that's why I ask, because it's like, how do

1145
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: you create that for yourself? What matrix you work in?

1146
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: That's like, yeah, this is so hard. Why am I

1147
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 3: about flex so much as episode? I don't know by Flex?

1148
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: She just book Jesus Christ, flex is flex is paying me.

1149
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: She's like, she's.

1150
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: Starting to add that's one of my other collaborations I

1151
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: have going on. Flex is paying me to be fokesperson. Oh.

1152
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 3: I love her so much. She's just incredible.

1153
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: I think she's just a great example of influencing is

1154
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: hard and really influencing you know, people's minds. But like

1155
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: her book, The Success Experiment, I need to read it

1156
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: because I actually don't know. I'm actually strugging with this

1157
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: lot and I have for the past year or so

1158
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: because I guess the closest thing I have to KPIs

1159
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: are like story views, and people don't really get like

1160
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: my my like friends like and this is because there

1161
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: are aresholes, so they don't work in the industry.

1162
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't understand the KPIs.

1163
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: Of a recruiter, right, So like if I say, like

1164
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: my story views have gone down, I don't care. I

1165
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: don't care about how many people. It's not like an

1166
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 2: ego thing. It's like, oh, I wonder why that content

1167
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: isn't doing as well as other content, right.

1168
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 3: It's like it isn't.

1169
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: It's like if yeah, if I was recruiting and like,

1170
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't hit my my marks for the

1171
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: for the month, I mean, what the fuck you're doing recruiting?

1172
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: But whatever.

1173
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: Then it's like like my best friend does like love her,

1174
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: ask her, but like i'd be like, oh, like are

1175
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 2: you Like It's like I'd be like, oh, I you

1176
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: upset those people didn't do a job well at jobs

1177
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 2: Like no, like it's the numbers, like that's the only

1178
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: thing you have.

1179
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: So I on really know.

1180
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 2: I think it is hard because the goal posts move

1181
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:08,479
Speaker 2: all the time.

1182
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: Like things that I'm.

1183
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 2: Doing now, like the Bush collaboration, if I was told

1184
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: a year ago that I was doing them. I'd be like,

1185
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is like crazy. But now I'm like, Okay, cool,

1186
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: that's it done, Like what's next. I think that's really

1187
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: hard to when you work for yourself or when you're

1188
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 2: doing your own thing, to not get kind of caught

1189
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 2: up in it and and to have like strict things

1190
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 2: you like to celebrate. Like my manager the other week

1191
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: was like because I'd like a bit of like a

1192
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say a breakdown, but like I just was

1193
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: like I have like a big cry on the phone to.

1194
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 3: Him, like yeah, like a little like a little whirlpool.

1195
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: And he was like, you haven't celebrated like anything that

1196
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: you've done kind of because of lockdown. But he's like

1197
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: you literally like you sold out a vibrator collaboration.

1198
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 3: You got told that.

1199
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: You were like yay anyway, and then I did more

1200
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: work afterwards, Like I was like, I was so happy,

1201
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: but I was like, hey, cool, what's ex for work?

1202
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: So maybe I need to figure out defining that they

1203
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 2: need to read somebody's book like weed.

1204
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: It's fucking hard.

1205
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: And I think maybe Lockdown has made me like reassess

1206
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: that a little bit and being like okay, well, like

1207
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: what is making me happy every day? And I think,

1208
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: you know, we're a couple of weeks into Lockdown now

1209
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: in Sydney and it's like I'm kind of getting a

1210
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: group back because I'm like, oh, like getting things done

1211
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: every day is good and like we were saying before,

1212
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: you know, being able to do things that I like

1213
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: to do every day, like everyone that.

1214
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: I collab with, every brand that I collab with.

1215
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: I'm so lucky now to be able to collab with

1216
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: brands that I fucking love, like for example, like Libra,

1217
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: Like I love.

1218
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: The people from Libra, Like when we have Zoom calls,

1219
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: they're great.

1220
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: I love the product and I love the messaging. Like

1221
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: that's great. I'm very lucky I do that. Whereas so

1222
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: maybe that's success. Maybe that's it that I can do

1223
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: things I like doing every day. There we go, we

1224
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: find it that I can I can choose who I

1225
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 2: collab with because I really love every every single product

1226
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: that I sell un quote on Instagram or everything that

1227
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: I promote. And there's always Dan's been like and people

1228
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 2: just being better being like you just plug anything. And

1229
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: it's like if I took every single person that came

1230
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: to your response to post, I would be first of all,

1231
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: you'd be seeing like skinny meat t shit that I

1232
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: would obviously never promote, like just the most the most

1233
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 2: fuck things come across slime manager's desk, like the most

1234
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: the most fucked, like disgusting, like diet pills, skinny meat,

1235
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: tea's corset trainers like all this, like fuck up.

1236
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 3: They're like, I say no, thank you.

1237
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: But also I'd be uploading a story every hour being

1238
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: like new product, Like I'm so lucky to be able

1239
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: to choose it, but people and people who aren't able

1240
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: to choose it, they'll you know, if you're listening in

1241
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: your micro influencer.

1242
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 3: One day, you'll be able to choose it.

1243
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: Like if you just keep doing what you love and

1244
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: choosing what you love to promote. Sometimes you do things

1245
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: you don't really believe in if you're a smaller micro influencer,

1246
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: and that's just surprised to pay to show that you

1247
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: can do the content that you want to do. Because

1248
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: there have been a few things early on, but I didn't.

1249
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 3: Really I'm with that now without other a few days

1250
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 3: and I dislike them.

1251
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: Just certain things that I was like, ah, yeah, yeah,

1252
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 2: could take it or leave it. But now at the

1253
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 2: past probable year and a half since I got one

1254
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: man new managers has been like, I fucking love everything

1255
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: I promote, which is great, which is nice.

1256
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: I guess that's success.

1257
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely success. And I love that it

1258
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: started to be tied more to like how you feel

1259
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: every day about what you're doing and the impact that

1260
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: it's having, rather than when you do attach success and

1261
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: like fulfillment and celebration to particular goals and achieving targets

1262
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: and things that are really measurable in numbers, Like, of

1263
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: course that's important. The world goes round based on numbers.

1264
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: But I think that's when you do fall into that

1265
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: trap of okay, I got to that destination, Okay, now

1266
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: what's next, Like it doesn't last if your happiness is

1267
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: always attached to the thing you don't have yet, if

1268
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: you're far away from and it's just I think that's

1269
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: what leads to dissatisfaction, is that definition of success. Whereas

1270
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: instead of like the big goals, I think just bringing

1271
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: it back to day to day feeling like do I

1272
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: feel that word or do I feel shit like that?

1273
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: It's a pretty simple.

1274
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 2: Equation exactly literally I tech, how do I feel about

1275
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: this content or whatever I'm doing my work, And it's

1276
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: like even with like collabs.

1277
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 3: Again, I'm very lucky that I.

1278
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 2: Have managers who back me in that if I want

1279
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: to do again, if you micro influence it, if you

1280
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: want to do something different, if the brief is like

1281
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: take a photo, hold in the product, and then send

1282
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: it and then I'm like, if you don't want to

1283
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: do that, Like I now say I want to do

1284
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: something funny. I want to do I want to do

1285
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: real I want to do or I want to do

1286
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: something that's more that's more real, that isn't real in

1287
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: different way, Like I want to do like something that's

1288
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: like more realistic. I don't want to put make up

1289
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: on for this, It's it's a skincare product. Why would

1290
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: I put makeup on? Like having the ability to like

1291
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: go back and be like no, no, no, Like why the

1292
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: fuck could I.

1293
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 3: Put foundation on for a skin care product? Like I had.

1294
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 3: I had a product one time decline my content because

1295
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: my hair was too messy. WHOA I have Kelly hair

1296
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 3: first of all?

1297
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it was a bathroom product. I won't

1298
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: say what it was, but it was like the photo

1299
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: was taken in a bathroom, and I was like, well,

1300
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: what shop the campaign?

1301
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: Because I'm not putting on I'm not doing my hair and.

1302
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: Makeup in a bathroom for like a body product.

1303
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: Why the fuck?

1304
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 2: Like what like what the fuck would end up approading it?

1305
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: Because I'm like, I'm not doing that shit. Like like,

1306
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 2: so if you have like briefs and you don't like

1307
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 2: the brief.

1308
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: Asked to change the brief, Like honestly, having that.

1309
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 2: Is also formed successes like beingble to do what I

1310
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: want with the products that I want to do. But

1311
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 2: I think I wish I started off I don't know

1312
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: from the start, because it's also idea, Like it's like

1313
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: good ideas.

1314
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: I think another really big part of that is what

1315
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 1: we've talked about a couple of times throughout the self

1316
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: doubt piece, and they're like valuing your own worth, which

1317
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: takes a really long time, and most of us still

1318
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: aren't there, and like probably part of us is never

1319
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: going to get there, and that's maybe a healthy sense

1320
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: of objectivity about ourselves is good. So you know, you

1321
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: want to do a good job. Self doubt is okay

1322
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: if it's just to remind you you're doing something out

1323
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: of your comfort zone. But I think you've had some

1324
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: amazing insights for anyone who is interested, particularly in your

1325
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 1: career path, but even for anyone who's at a stage

1326
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: in their life where they're facing fear of what might

1327
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: go wrong, fear of people's judgment. You are probably better

1328
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: verse than most people to give advice on shutting down

1329
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: the noise of people who there's always going to be

1330
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: haters no matter what you do, so you might as

1331
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: well do it. Yeah, for makes you happy, Doubting yourself,

1332
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: doubting your decisions when there is so much noise around you,

1333
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: and just any other kind of adversity that comes your way,

1334
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: and pushing through it to get through to the other side,

1335
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: which again you've done many times, and most of us

1336
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: face like a couple of people being a bit unhappy

1337
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: about what we do. You've faced the nation trolling your

1338
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: inbox like it's been fun. I feel like you've got

1339
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: a really, really thick skin and have come through incredibly

1340
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: self aware and humble and have worked really hard to

1341
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: get to where you are. What would you say to

1342
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: anyone else who is maybe feeling on the other side of.

1343
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 3: That, Oh my god, this won't really be relevant.

1344
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: But I feel like the biggest thing the trolling taught

1345
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: me was that, oh, like the media cycles of like

1346
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: the awful shit taught me was that everything eventually will dissipate.

1347
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: So like, if you just keep on pushing on, the

1348
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 2: awful shit will just eventually go away, And if you

1349
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: keep doing what you love, like it was saying and

1350
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: doing things you actually believe in, whether it's like at work,

1351
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: if you put forward an idea and it gets shut down,

1352
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 2: You're like, that's a fucking good idea, so fuck you,

1353
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: or like in your relationship or like whatever, as long

1354
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: as you doing what you genuinely believe in, and what

1355
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: if you can, if you can take stock of what

1356
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: you want out of life and what you want out

1357
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: of every day, seize the a babe, absolutely that I

1358
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: think that everything will honestly settle down and work out

1359
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 2: as long as you genuinely believe in what you're doing

1360
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: and what you're saying. But I think it is so

1361
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: fucking hard to get out at hamster Wheel, Like the

1362
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: only reason I did it was because I happened to

1363
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: get on a national TV like I would never have

1364
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 2: done it, And it makes me like sad, looking back

1365
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: for like younger abby that I didn't just like I

1366
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: really wanted to be a yoga teacher. I wanted to

1367
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: do social media stuff like I want to do, not

1368
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: that I really want to do it, but like I

1369
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: could have been good at it. You know, I could

1370
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: have been good at that stuff without going on The Bachelor.

1371
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: I could have you know, got a job in marketing,

1372
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: or I could really I loved yoga and I could

1373
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 2: have been a yoga to I mean happy every day

1374
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: doing yoga every day, you know. And I think looking back,

1375
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: what I've realized is like, while I am able, I'm

1376
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: very lucky to be able to earn a good income

1377
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: plus or something that I love.

1378
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: Looking back, all.

1379
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: The time wasted hating my job was not worth the

1380
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: extra bit of money that I was getting because it

1381
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 2: wasn't that difference in a yearly pay, like if we

1382
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: wait things. And then, like you were saying, when you

1383
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 2: love something, you can get also the income that you

1384
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: want to get that you need to get if you

1385
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: really love it, and it's so cliche, like it's so

1386
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: cliche to be like.

1387
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 3: If you love what you do, you weren't like good

1388
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 3: day in your life.

1389
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: But it's like, it's fucking true, and I wish that

1390
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 2: I knew that when I was younger, I wish I

1391
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: knew that I was a UNI when I hated my

1392
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: degree Unie, I wish, I wish.

1393
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 3: That I knew, But now I know. So I'm passing

1394
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: on the knowledge listeners to be like, please just do

1395
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 3: something you fucking like.

1396
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: Obviously, just quitting your job is super risky, right, Like

1397
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: I would never have just quit my job, but I

1398
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 2: worked three jobs in grade twelve. I always want to

1399
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: have a back up, but even doing shit like I

1400
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: wish that I'd just gone part time at my job

1401
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: that I had a degree for and spend the other

1402
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: days a week doing something that I really really enjoyed,

1403
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 2: like learning how to be a yoga teacher, or you know,

1404
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: doing a tape course in market you know what I mean,

1405
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: Like I wish there was something at least a little bit,

1406
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: and then the other shit doesn't become as awful when

1407
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: you have a bit of a light there in the tunnel.

1408
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not saying go quit your job, but

1409
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: I know that isn't isn't a fucking realistic thing. But

1410
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: give yourself a bit of like a bit of room

1411
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 2: and just do what you want to do, makes it

1412
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 2: happy every day.

1413
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Another perfect seggie to the last section,

1414
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: which is plata, which is that idea that, particularly when

1415
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: you love your job, it's so hard to even bother

1416
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: with hobbies or joy or pleasure outside of work because

1417
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like work. But if you aren't in

1418
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: a great place and you don't love your job, that's

1419
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: even more important to find joy somewhere else because actually,

1420
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: some people don't end up wanting to have their passion

1421
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: as their job because it kills the passion. Like some

1422
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: people are creatives and as soon as they have a

1423
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: brief and money and deadlines, they don't want to create

1424
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: music or create art anymore. So play da is the

1425
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: idea that, like, we all have to have a pursuit

1426
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: or an activity that's just for fun that you don't

1427
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: have to be good at, that you don't have to

1428
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: win out or have goals, but you just do because

1429
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: it's a waste of time, but you love it, so

1430
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: it's worth it. What do you do that's just for fun?

1431
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: Fucking nothing? This is the thing. I don't have any hobbies.

1432
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 3: Are hobbies? I'm like, wow, you're impressive. You're a hobby.

1433
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: What do I do? They're just so fun Jesus Christ.

1434
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it could be like the smallest thing. It

1435
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like I do gymnastics on the weekend.

1436
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: It's just like, what are the things you allow yourself

1437
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: to do, like run a bath or read a trashy

1438
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: book or design a new vibrator.

1439
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 3: You know.

1440
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think it's I just watch Real Housewives, bab

1441
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: and when I watched Your Housewives, my phone goes off

1442
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: and I'm like eating, I'll be like, you know, eating

1443
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: over dinner. I'm like, this is the life Real Housewives

1444
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: with the glass of wine. And like watching Lisa Rinna

1445
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 2: yell at someone is just so good. Yeah, those they

1446
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 2: never Oh my god, why she's never ending.

1447
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: It's like her whole face is getting taken over by.

1448
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 3: Honestly, she's so beautiful. Love you, Lisa Rinna. Just start,

1449
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 3: maybe start. I think I think having like guilt free.

1450
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 2: So that's the thing I really struggled with when I

1451
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: was like starting off like working for myself.

1452
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 3: I would like be doing work while I'd be watching TV, you.

1453
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 2: Know, and it's like, oh, I'd feel guilty if I

1454
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: was just watching Real Housewives. Everybody feel shit wanting to

1455
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 2: watch trash TV.

1456
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 3: No, let me watch it. Let me watch your Housewives

1457
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 3: and enjoy it for what it is trash. We love

1458
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 3: it totally.

1459
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was having like a night with my you know,

1460
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 2: with my girlfriends, just drinking wine and talking ship and

1461
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: it's like gossiping about each other's lives and like.

1462
01:02:58,720 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 3: And not caring.

1463
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 2: I'm trying to more often, like turn my phone off

1464
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: when I'm with people because it's it's not ideal they

1465
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: might times on my phone.

1466
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 3: So I think maybe it's that as well.

1467
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean I think Real Housewives is honestly

1468
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: the thing that keeps me going.

1469
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 3: Love you love we love us.

1470
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: I love it. It's just like I feel like, even

1471
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: if you love what you do right, you don't want

1472
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: to get to the end of your life and be

1473
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: like I just worked and I died. Like, even if

1474
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: you loved your job, there's like a place in life

1475
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: that's mead to be for things that aren't related to

1476
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: your job and to money. You can't take anything with you.

1477
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: It's like you want to have memories and time where

1478
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: you didn't have your phone and you forgot what time

1479
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: it was and I feel like you're actually better at

1480
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: your job anyway when you take it, you have better

1481
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: ideas and like your brain switches off.

1482
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1483
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 2: I think as well that this is what the pandemic's

1484
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: been so hard, because people have simultaneously lost income, whether

1485
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 2: they own a business or they've you know, had to

1486
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 2: be sent home from work and job keepers being less.

1487
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 2: You know that people have lost money during the pandemic

1488
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 2: as well, at the same time having nothing to look

1489
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: forward to, Like you can't plan it, you can't be

1490
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: let Okay, this is ship for now, but I can

1491
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 2: plan a trip to Europe. My girlfriends, it's like we

1492
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 2: can't plan ship. We can't even plan like a trip

1493
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: to an hour and a half away, Like we kind

1494
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: of chioft the Hunter Valley from Sydney because we could

1495
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 2: get lockdown at any moment. I think that's why what's

1496
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 2: really messed everyone's brains up is the combination of losing

1497
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: all this money. In most cases, like god knows, I've

1498
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 2: lost heaps of jobs, but I'm like enough to have

1499
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: other stuff to keep me going. But my friends have

1500
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: gone through periods of not working for you know, a

1501
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: month or two months, and what the fuck they're gonna

1502
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 2: do as well as being like, well, there isn't any

1503
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 2: like light at the end of the tunnel here. I

1504
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: don't have anything to look forward to, a plan like

1505
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: sometimes like planning a holiday is my hobby, you know,

1506
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: for like the month I'm now, that's like look forward

1507
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 2: to and like this second lockdown is well, third lockdown

1508
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: has just been fucked.

1509
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 3: But it's like, well, you can't look forward to anything

1510
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 3: now because it could it could not happen.

1511
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you would you like you're like you're so

1512
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 2: excited for it, and then she's going to get O'm I.

1513
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 3: Going to four hours?

1514
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: Like twenty four hours?

1515
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 3: What the fuck?

1516
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's just another little comment about the pandemic

1517
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: that we we love talking about it, don't we.

1518
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 3: We just love talking about our arms have been because

1519
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 3: I can kind.

1520
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: Of love it.

1521
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 2: So we've also stopped talking about as well, because we

1522
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 2: stop talking about how fucked COVID is. And it's fucked

1523
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: and it's been fucked and it will continue to be fucked.

1524
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: And I just if you want to cry about COVID,

1525
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: you're allowed to cry about COVID.

1526
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 3: That's the thing. I'd as well have a cry about COVID.

1527
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 3: It's fucked out, like.

1528
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: Totally, yeah, get get it out. You're allowed to feel

1529
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: shoot about it. It is shit and there's so many things

1530
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: that have been affected. But I also think what is

1531
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,919
Speaker 1: like a silver lining that will come out of it

1532
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: is that because all those things have been taken away

1533
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: and because like we do have so much uncertainty, I

1534
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: think it's helped a lot of us unattached from things

1535
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: that we would otherwise be so attached to and find

1536
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: things to look forward to that aren't the things you

1537
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: normally would maybe a lot smaller than the things that

1538
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: you normally would look forward to, but maybe going back

1539
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: to basics in a way that we probably never would

1540
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: have done in a weird way.

1541
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 3: That's true.

1542
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: Also, everyone, like I'm just imagining the first weekend out

1543
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 2: in Bond Die when all this is over, and how

1544
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 2: big of a sended it will be. I mean, even

1545
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 2: just like going out to a par seems like the

1546
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 2: most exciting thing in the world right now. Like, but

1547
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: I guess you've been in Melbourne, baby, you must be

1548
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 2: living it up after the life.

1549
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, it's fucked up.

1550
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: We feel like we're so practiced it this, We've got this, Yes,

1551
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: it's fine. We know how to do it. We know

1552
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: how to do coming out of lockdown. We all get

1553
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: like totally write ourselves.

1554
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 3: Off for a week, and it's the usual love it.

1555
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: Second last question, my dear to finish out, what are

1556
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: three interesting things about you? This is probably hard, babe,

1557
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: that don't normally come up in any interviews, Like only

1558
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: your housemate wouldn't.

1559
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 3: Know about you. God, babe, I have no fucking idea.

1560
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 3: I think I tell everyone everything I know.

1561
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: It's particularly hard for people who are pretty open. It's like,

1562
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: what are your weird sleeping habits or on a desert island?

1563
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: But you've obviously already done other things that you couldn't

1564
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: live it out, Like, what's one thing that you know

1565
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: you couldn't like?

1566
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a kookie, but like people give

1567
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 2: me ship for it whenever we order pizza. This is

1568
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 2: like not very interesting, but like it' She's like a

1569
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 2: little thing that I just want to flag to anyone

1570
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 2: who loves someone.

1571
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: Knows I am.

1572
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: I only eat pizza that's on the puff Cross that

1573
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: has the puff puff pastry crass.

1574
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 3: Have you tried it with cheese in it?

1575
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 2: Or just no, no, no no, it's just a puff pastry moment, bitch,

1576
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 2: bitch ever.

1577
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 3: It is the fucking best thing in the world.

1578
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 2: And to secret because whenever I had my friends over

1579
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 2: there like crust like puff and they're like puff crust

1580
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 2: and I'm like, puffs crust is even onber.

1581
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:49,439
Speaker 3: It's you can't.

1582
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: You have to get like through the Dominoes app. You

1583
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 2: have to go through Dominoes get the puff cross. So

1584
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: I guess that's kind of interesting. But because everyone knows

1585
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 2: everything about crust moment.

1586
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: That's a good That's one of those ones. The only

1587
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,479
Speaker 1: people who spend like who had been around you ordering

1588
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: pizza would know they're the best.

1589
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, puff crust moment. Fuck babe, I don't know. I've

1590
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: only got wine. I'm so sorry. I don't I actually

1591
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 3: know what else. I'm looking at my house right now

1592
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 3: being like what else.

1593
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: It's more like habit, like do you have allergies or

1594
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: do you have like weird things you can't live without,

1595
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: or like weird party tricks some people can do weird

1596
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: things with their hands, or like can't wink allergic to things?

1597
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: I mean, no, do you have a middle name?

1598
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 3: Jane would not interested?

1599
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: I know, Fuck you mom, and thanks for choosing your

1600
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 2: like great grandmother's name or some shit.

1601
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: I know, what would your mom say if she had

1602
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: to answer this question, like can even be from when

1603
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: you were a kid?

1604
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what would she say? I don't even know.

1605
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 3: I think she'd just be like, it's my beautiful thing

1606
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 3: in the world. It's like Mom would just be like,

1607
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 3: it's a gorgeous little thing, isn't it? And then she'd

1608
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 3: like like she.

1609
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 2: Killed me it, so she would just I'll look at

1610
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 2: it like it or like if mom's so funny, like

1611
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: if you if you like, I know, like with a

1612
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: family thing like Mum would just but oh, look at.

1613
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:09,839
Speaker 3: Isn't it hideous?

1614
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: But like hideous is like a compliment, Like, okay, that's

1615
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: the thing.

1616
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 3: Our family's compliment is. I'll look at isn't it hideous?

1617
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: If like someone's laughing, like, oh it's hideous, Like that

1618
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: could be something getting called in the family and being

1619
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 2: amazing is a compliment. Yeah, Mom's very prep. You wanted

1620
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: you now, so.

1621
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 3: It's like, oh my god, she's such a mummy. I

1622
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 3: know she's the best.

1623
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: I hope she doesn't tell prep kids of the hideous though.

1624
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: I feel like that would.

1625
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 2: Scar she calls them beautiful and gorgeous, and she's like there,

1626
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 2: like but she she goes, oh, look at it.

1627
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 3: Look like it's like it's so cute. I'm so cute.

1628
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 3: I'll look at it. Isn't it gorgeous? Look at it?

1629
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: Like the other one I loved about you was I

1630
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: was watching your stories just for this to see if

1631
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: there's any juice I could dish up. And you were

1632
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: talking about Libra's period, which period undies like people who

1633
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: haven't tried them before you think they're gonna be like

1634
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: a garbage bag or a nappy, and they're amazing. But

1635
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: one of the questions.

1636
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 2: Was, sorry, I saw with the guy the other week

1637
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 2: and I go, I period during sex. And I was

1638
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 2: like and like whatever, it blurted through to his diner,

1639
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: but it's fine, like whatever.

1640
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 3: He like, he literally couldn't give a fuck.

1641
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 2: No, he was like, it's gonna happen eventually anyway. Like

1642
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 2: it was like not even like a thing which had

1643
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 2: a shower. Yeah, good so but he I was.

1644
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 3: Like, oh, thank god about my period undies and he

1645
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 3: was like what's that?

1646
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 2: And I spent ten minutes being like period undies and

1647
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 2: he's like he's like a second time we met, I

1648
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 2: was like, fucking, I'm obsessed with obsessed with period undies anyway,

1649
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: sorry continue.

1650
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so me too, and I'm talking about funny reels.

1651
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: I just did a funny reel where I made undies

1652
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: out of a garbage bag to show like what I

1653
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: used to think that they were amazing right time? But

1654
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: you did a Q and A about them, and one

1655
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: of the questions was can you wear them doing sport?

1656
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: And I thought the fucking funniest answer ever was well, babe,

1657
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: I don't do sports, and I can't ask that question.

1658
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: I was like, I love it.

1659
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 2: Love it.

1660
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:14,759
Speaker 7: Just like sport, so and I was I run, I run,

1661
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 7: so like I've worn them one runs, but like I'm

1662
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 7: not really sure if I could wear them during like

1663
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 7: touch for all or like.

1664
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: It was just so funny because I was like, clearly

1665
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: she's just asking can you be but you were like specifically,

1666
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't.

1667
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 3: I'm spawny girl. Sorry, babe, I guess a job. Like

1668
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 3: I was thinking, like, what are the sports?

1669
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: Like, what movement is there in a sport that I

1670
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: could be missing up?

1671
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 3: I'm sure if I said oh yeah, and then something

1672
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 3: like well can you do this?

1673
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 2: Can you do the splits in a trouble kickback, but like,

1674
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, I.

1675
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 3: Can't tell you.

1676
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: Oh man, the internet is a great place. Final question,

1677
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: since I love quotes so much, what's your favorite quote?

1678
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 3: Honestly, and this is such a cliche, but.

1679
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: It's you are such a cliche today.

1680
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 3: I'm such a fucking cliche. I'm so sick. But it's

1681
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 3: like it's so true. When you get to your like fucking.

1682
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 2: Late twenties, you're like, wow, everything is so truly, But

1683
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 2: I think what I've learned over the past two years

1684
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 2: is those who mind don't matter.

1685
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 3: Those who matter don't mind. I was a favorite one

1686
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 3: one so much.

1687
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: I literally only just changed my bio from having that really,

1688
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: but then it couldn't fit when I actually put all

1689
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: the actual things that I need to put in there. Yeah,

1690
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: it used to be that quote.

1691
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the best because, like we're saying before, like

1692
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 2: if someone gives you shit for starting a podcast, because

1693
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 2: like then then they're a dickhead, like.

1694
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 3: They like mogsters. If no one, if you're not going

1695
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 3: to support you, they're not your fucking people. And that's it.

1696
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh babe, amazing, Thank you so so much. For

1697
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: sharing so generously and sharing a bit of who you

1698
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 1: are outside of all of the other million things that

1699
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: people will have heard of you and from you. I

1700
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: really really appreciate that you opened up about you.

1701
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 3: Oh, thanks so much. Thanks for having me.

1702
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: I can't explain how much I love of how different

1703
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: our guests are each week, and what a joy it

1704
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: is to even find new pockets of myself when I

1705
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: move into other people's worlds and experience how they see

1706
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: things around them. For the whole day after this chat,

1707
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 1: I was moving around with such a lightness and urged

1708
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: to head to Sydney to spend some time with Abi

1709
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: in person. She has such an infectious energy and confidence,

1710
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: and I really hope you guys enjoyed getting to know

1711
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: a side of her that maybe you might not have

1712
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: heard of before. If you did enjoy, please, as always

1713
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: share the episode and tag at Abby Chatfield and myself.

1714
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: It means so much when you help me. Thank our

1715
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: guests for taking the time out of their day and

1716
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: sharing themselves so openly and generously for the neighborhood. Sending

1717
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: all of you who are in lockdown lots of love too.

1718
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,440
Speaker 1: We still seem to be swimming in so much uncertainty

1719
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: and challenge at the moment, and if there's anything I

1720
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: can do for any of you, please do let me know.

1721
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: In the meantime, I hope you're finding ways to seize

1722
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: your yea