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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Makeup is My Therapy.

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Speaker 1: I'm in love. I'm obsessed and I don't even feel

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the Podcast for Your Face.

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Speaker 2: I am Sarah Marie and with me is Kelly, my beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Coho Kelly mccaren, and we are here to talk about

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Speaker 3: all things brows.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean we're talking brows. But your makeup is gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to have like orange and pink with a

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Speaker 2: touch of yellow.

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Speaker 3: It's actually not blended that well, so let's not look

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Speaker 3: too closely, but you know what it's out there.

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Speaker 2: I had to find the liner in my bag. What's

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Speaker 2: it looks good? It goes with your pink nails.

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Speaker 1: It does.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I've got purple chonils, I've got a yellow dress on.

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Speaker 3: I'm just very colorful.

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Speaker 2: Help me the opposite. I am all sorts of neutral.

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Speaker 2: You really are. You've got some nice jangles around your neck,

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Speaker 2: though I've jangled my neck. My nails are chrome, nude chrome.

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Speaker 2: I've got nood crude chrome. I've got browns in my

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Speaker 2: eyes and a neutral lip, so.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like color threw up on me a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I need to add color when I see you.

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Speaker 3: Neither of our brows have color because we are not

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Speaker 3: doing Joker inspired makeup.

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Speaker 2: No no, no no.

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Speaker 3: But both of us have very different brow lives, exactly

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Speaker 3: very different brows.

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Speaker 1: Can you leave me a little bit about your brow history.

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Speaker 2: Well, believe it or not, I'm the one that's half

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Speaker 2: Arab and I'm the one that has I'm the hairy one,

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Speaker 2: and you're the.

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Speaker 1: Hairy one I won't want, and I'm the hairy Like

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Speaker 1: what happened?

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Speaker 2: Like I didn't get the good brows, the good Arab blushes.

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Speaker 1: Long term ubies will know that I am one hell

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Speaker 1: of a bushy bitch.

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Speaker 2: And I am on the opposite end. I had one

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Speaker 2: lady like overwhax my brows ones and it never grew back,

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Speaker 2: and so I actually draw my brows on my skin.

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Speaker 2: So I have a technique that when you drop on

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Speaker 2: your face, like on your brows, it looks like it's

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Speaker 2: your brow hair that you've just had it in.

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Speaker 1: And I think that will help a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: So can you just describe what your natural brow look like,

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Speaker 3: is it a sperm?

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Speaker 2: No, okay, it doesn't have enough volume at the front

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Speaker 2: to be a spohn.

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Speaker 1: Smaller than a sperm.

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Speaker 2: It's like if you cut the head off the sperm,

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Speaker 2: so we just have a tail, but long like so

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Speaker 2: it doesn't really have shape. It's just kind of like

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Speaker 2: a thinner curve, not quite as thin as Pamela Anderson's brows,

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Speaker 2: maybe like three to four millimeter with and that's it.

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Speaker 2: I don't need to tweeze my brows. I don't need

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Speaker 2: to wax my brows. Nothing gross at all. That's it.

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Speaker 1: So you don't need to trim.

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Speaker 2: I do nothing. I have to like draw it all in.

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Speaker 2: So I'm on the opposite end of you. I know,

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Speaker 2: look at you your jewels on the floor.

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Speaker 3: I am like my draw is actually on the floor

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Speaker 3: because I have to hair remove in some capacity several

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Speaker 1: Wow, I have the hairrier. Well, I'm just hairy in general.

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Speaker 3: But my eyebrows, which is crazy because a lot of

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Speaker 3: people that grew up like millennials, they waxed off their

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Speaker 1: I did that.

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Speaker 3: I went through the sperm brow panmanercent Pam Manderson stage.

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Speaker 3: When I was younger and had like nothing, I just

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Speaker 3: They grow out, they grow up, they grow down. Wow,

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Speaker 3: they are so hairy. So I have to get rid

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Speaker 2: It's always envious with people who could just use that

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Speaker 2: brow colored tint mascara. So I went through a phrase. Well,

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Speaker 2: using that like lash and brow growth cereal. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: it worked not too too well in my eyebrows, but

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Speaker 2: So I had to stop using it and just wax

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Speaker 2: like literally if the hair just started growing around my eyes.

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Speaker 2: And so I was like, okay, I need to wax

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Speaker 2: I'm turning into like a whubacka I'm Chebacca.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like wow, okay, it's a lylash.

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Speaker 2: I think the brand oh, so it is good.

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Speaker 1: But it works. It works, not an error you wanted

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, exactly, so what I do. And

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Speaker 2: it's so funny because it looks like we both brought

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Speaker 2: literally the same pencils.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's obviously really good.

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Speaker 1: But you do have two sets of tweezs.

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Speaker 2: There two sets of tweezers because my husband has the

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Speaker 2: hairy Arab Jean. And when I had clients, I love Toweysmen.

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Speaker 2: They are so accurate and you can actually send them

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Speaker 2: back to get serviced for free. Stop it so they

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Speaker 2: realign your tweezers. So it's perfect. So Tweezerman is something

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Speaker 2: that came out, I mean donkeys years ago. I've had

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Speaker 2: them for ages. You've got the ankled tweezer and you've

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Speaker 2: got the really pointy one. So the ankle one obviously

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Speaker 2: you would use it how you'd use a normal tweezer.

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Speaker 2: They're really sharp, point to one. If you've got ingrown hairs,

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Speaker 2: it's designed for ingrown hair. There's those fine, fine, very

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Speaker 2: fine ones, even for men. I found a lot of

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Speaker 2: their advertising for this when I was looking up tweezers

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Speaker 2: for my husband was for men because of exactly what

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Speaker 2: he does. Like he has the thick hair that he's

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Speaker 2: worried about ingrowns, but he can't tweeze it with this.

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Speaker 2: It's like so accurate and because it's perfectly aligned. It's

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Speaker 2: one of those tweezes you don't want to drop because

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Speaker 2: if you drop that, you don't want it to misalign.

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Speaker 2: But you just send it back and they realign it

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Speaker 2: for you and give that back to you.

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Speaker 1: That is amazing. Are they expensive?

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Speaker 2: I feel like maybe they're around the thirty dollar mark

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Speaker 2: or something, but you would you invest.

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Speaker 1: It's a one time purchase, that's it.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that they service it, and like some

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Speaker 2: of these, I mean I have a small silver set

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Speaker 2: and I've had that for like fifteen years or something.

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Speaker 2: Like you really just keep them tweeze them in. I

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Speaker 2: saw like I think their pr or something emailed me recently,

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Speaker 2: you know, like just doing a promo for I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you might have heard of Tweezeman, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing you can give me.

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Speaker 1: Have everything You're like in a huge name line. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: Tweezemen is amazing. I have everything. I don't need it,

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Speaker 2: but thank you for reaching out because I genuinely love

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Speaker 2: their stuff. Yeah, I always go tweeze many if I'm

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Speaker 1: Gonna order some of those.

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Speaker 3: However, I do love my pair, so these do get

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Speaker 3: a workout most days because most days, if I'm looking

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Speaker 3: at my face, there's a hair. Okay, but I use

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Speaker 3: those tiny little strips of facial wax. I cut them

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Speaker 3: I do my own brows. I'm surprisingly as low maintenance

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Speaker 3: I'm going to just do at home rather than having

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Speaker 1: We're doing it.

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Speaker 3: So I do that every couple of weeks, and in

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Speaker 3: between though I have to use tweezes, I also have

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Speaker 3: to trim them, I'll usually use the end of a

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Speaker 2: What is her brow? Start? Do you just use it

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Speaker 2: half face?

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Speaker 2: You do it on your half face? Okay, because I

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Speaker 1: Firstly though, but you're not hairy, so you might not

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't use it on my brows. I'm hairy like

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's gonna be a game changer foot.

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Speaker 2: And like my chin like a billy boat.

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Speaker 3: Sexy, sexy. You are going to be the biggest fan.

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Speaker 3: I promise you will not grow back thicker or darker.

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Speaker 3: I've been doing it for ten years. I think sometimes

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Speaker 3: to grow back. They're gre and darker because all it's

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Speaker 2: Does it keep growing back like that whenever you do it, No,

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Speaker 3: I never ever notice it. It has never changed on

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Speaker 3: It's honestly just the best thing just for smoothing out,

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Speaker 3: getting rid of your billy goat chins and any side burns.

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Speaker 3: What a you makeup hacks? I have a little hack

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Speaker 3: that I wanted to tell everyone at home about if

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Speaker 3: it's the Anastagia Beverly Hills method for mapping your own brow.

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Speaker 3: And it's basically you just use any pencil to get

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Speaker 3: that's where your eyebrow should start. Wax everything and pluck

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Speaker 3: whatever is in between. Yes, then where your arch should arch.

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Speaker 3: you're on this corner of your nose. And then you

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Speaker 3: run it through your pupil, like just looking straight ahead

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Speaker 3: wherever that peak is, that is where your arch should be.

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Speaker 1: So that's the highest point of your eyebrow.

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Speaker 3: And then you run it once again from the side

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Speaker 3: up in the line, and that's where your eyebrow should end.

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Speaker 3: So that's how you map your eyebrow, and that's how

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Speaker 2: And one thing I hate, like my pet peeve when

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Speaker 2: It doesn't only just drag your face, but it makes

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Speaker 2: And it's so funny because we have the same eyebrow pencil.

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Speaker 1: With us huge fans, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Huge fans. I have spoken about this pencil before. This

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Speaker 2: is the benefit precisely my brow pencil. I use the

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Speaker 2: three point five in the medium brown. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: They're quite similar.

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Speaker 3: Then it's just that mine are probably a lot darker

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Speaker 2: But it's probably the lightness. You use it because I

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Speaker 1: Yes, I am very light handed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't like using dark brown because it's

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Speaker 2: So what I do is I shape my brows how

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Speaker 1: That's a great braw brush. And it's got like the

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Speaker 2: Like a fence. Yes it is. So you've got the

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Speaker 2: spooly So again you would comb your brows, you know,

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Speaker 2: so you're creating like a fake hair. Look. I can

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Speaker 1: Like that, it's hair.

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Speaker 2: I draw my brows in more because they stop a

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Speaker 2: You can just use a regular browbrush if you want,

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Speaker 2: but I love that this has that fencing look to it.

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Speaker 2: look like your hair. How long do your brows take you?

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Speaker 2: It probably takes me the longest to do my brows,

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Speaker 3: That is the difference between having to draw the hairs,

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Speaker 3: I guess, and like mine would be twenty seconds.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because if I did twenty seconds, it would look

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Speaker 3: It would be weird, like you've drawn your eyebrows of yes, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So all I do is I just use a little

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Speaker 3: And then I just go in with a clear brow

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Speaker 2: And then that's it. So when I am doing the

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Speaker 3: Remember back in the day that was like that was

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Speaker 3: jet black eyeliner like a panda, remember, and then you'd

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Speaker 3: sharp edges silver Highlight Babes twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: So sharp six What a time.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Yeah, but that's what I do. So,

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Speaker 3: Brow gel simply because if I don't use anything, it's

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Speaker 3: So just because there are so many hairs I sort

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Speaker 3: like it just means that they're not going to go everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Well, I used to use hairspray for like my clients.

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Speaker 2: It's just spray, hairspray and the disposable miscaro really well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, Sarah Murray, what's your final tip?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it definitely has to be the hairspray,

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Speaker 2: Like you know, if you don't have a brow gel, definitely,

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Speaker 2: just like you can use a spoolly at the end

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Speaker 3: Mine would definitely be the mapping out of your brows.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to pay someone to do your eyebrows.

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Speaker 3: You can absolutely just do it yourself. Even if you

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Speaker 3: pay someone to do them, then just pluck strays when

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Speaker 1: And then you don't have to get them done as often.

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Speaker 2: Yes, love that. I love that. And the mapping of

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Speaker 2: the brows is so important because even if you're drawing

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Speaker 2: them in, you use the mapping of it.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to Amelia Singson who taught that to me.

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Speaker 3: She got taught by Anastagia and then she taught me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I thought it was life changing.

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Speaker 2: It's a good little trick. We've had that in the

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Speaker 2: industry for ages. Yeah, it's amazing that like these big

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Speaker 1: Good don't exactly.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for joining us today, Ubis.

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