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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out Loud and to our Friday Show where

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Speaker 2: we just talk about stuff. We walk away from the

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Speaker 3: Don't get any complaints about that.

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Speaker 2: Actually we don't.

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Speaker 2: Generally speaking, people are like, yay, Friday Show, love it

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Speaker 2: and joining us today on the Friday Show is want

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Speaker 2: to play Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 4: You might know me from such other Mamma Mia podcasts

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Speaker 4: as The Quickie and our new health podcast.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can call me Claire everywhere.

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Speaker 4: Because I'm very excited to be back out loud today.

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Speaker 2: You see that I skipped the date because it's a

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Speaker 2: superstitious problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're getting quite where we weren't.

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Speaker 2: I am getting quite.

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Speaker 4: I stick you right there, because Friday the thirteenth is

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Speaker 4: not unlucky.

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Speaker 1: It is the patriarchy.

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Speaker 4: It is actually a day for the goddess of fertility, Frayer,

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Speaker 4: and it was supposed to be all about women, which

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Speaker 4: is why Christianity, I'm presuming, turned it around to be

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Speaker 4: something that was bad for everybody. So no, Friday the

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Speaker 4: thirteenth not unlucky. We celebrate Freyer, the Goddess of fertility.

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Speaker 2: This is why we have Murphy on the show, because.

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Speaker 3: We just go off vibes. I'm here with a fact better.

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Speaker 2: So I'm Holly Wayne right, and this is Friday, the

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Speaker 2: celebration day for Freyer, the Goddess of fertility.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jesse Stevens. I'm excited about Friday the thirteen. It

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Speaker 3: sounds a bit sexy, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: It is Go and get up the duff again. You've

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Speaker 1: still got a uterist that is functional.

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Speaker 2: Go your hardest, Okay, let's bring it doing things back.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Murphy on today's show, What's Your Number? Why

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Speaker 2: Hollywood is obsessed with personality tests right now, and why

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Speaker 2: putting ourselves in boxes has never been more appealing. Also

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Speaker 2: recommendations include one of Jesse's trademark late adoptions to a

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Speaker 2: TV classic, Murphy's new romanticy obsession, and a delicious TV binge.

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Speaker 2: And our best and worst of the week include very

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Speaker 2: holy Celebrities, labor inducing dance, No I wonder who that,

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Speaker 2: a pretty twisted algorithm, and a very wholesome Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: But first, Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 3: In case you missed it, sober sauna raves are the

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Speaker 2: Sober sauna raves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what does a sauna party look like? You

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Speaker 3: might ask? Well, one writer for a publication called ID

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Speaker 3: just attended an event in London and it began with

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Speaker 3: a non alcoholic presecca, followed by a dance in a

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Speaker 3: sweat soapd sauna where everyone is in their swimwear. And

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Speaker 3: my favorite detail of this article was when the author said,

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Speaker 3: I begin to feel unpleasantly hot, and yeah, mate, you're

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Speaker 3: in a sauna. There's a trombonist, there's a cold plunge,

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Speaker 3: that how you would say it, Claire.

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Speaker 3: But why well, they need some music, they need some

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Speaker 1: It from bonus makes logic sense, I guess exactly.

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Speaker 3: And it's all set up to give you a very

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Speaker 3: on the podcast a little while ago. Claire, did you

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Speaker 3: go to a sauna rave on the weekend? Oh?

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Speaker 4: You know, that's my regular Saturday evening friends. My first

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Speaker 4: reaction to this is a visceral, like full body no

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Speaker 1: A sauna rave. So I feel like maybe this is

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Speaker 3: As we are. Because the other thing is you don't

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Speaker 2: And very slippery. I like the idea of how slippery

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but sauna wood is different. You know,

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Speaker 2: a very slippery. I'm from the nineties, and a good

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Speaker 2: rave should feel like a sauna. That's the whole point.

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to get sweaty and hydrate. That is the

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Speaker 3: Feel like Holly, you weren't on non alcoholic proseccos.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel white.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say something controversial. Is it wrong to not

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Speaker 3: feel like you're not allowed to say that anymore. That

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Speaker 3: I like being in a lovely temperature. I went to

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Speaker 3: I'll just sit in a spa. I don't need to

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Speaker 2: I just what you're the goldilocks of spa culture. This

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Speaker 4: But like, can we be honest? These temperature extremes belonged

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Speaker 4: So are we evolving to want to be twenty four degrees?

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Speaker 1: So true, the true every day of the.

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Speaker 3: Exactly and people who were freezing invented very, very big jackets.

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Speaker 2: What number are you? Apparently, I'm a nine. Threes are

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Speaker 2: best in terms of riches and fame, but sevens are happiest.

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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift is a three, Aniston is a six, Amy

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Speaker 2: talking about, welcome. We're talking about anyagrams, because right now

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Speaker 2: it seems like everybody is talking about anygrams. So either

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Speaker 2: of you two know what your anagram number is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I for some reason did a course years.

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Speaker 2: Ago, a whole course, so not just an online quiz.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm trying to remember the reason. But I think

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Speaker 3: your introduction, Hollywayn Wright, because I am a type three.

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Speaker 2: You are a three.

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Speaker 3: I am a Taylor Swift. She's called the achiever. My

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Speaker 3: basic fear is worthlessness, and my basic desire is to

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Speaker 2: So ambitious, right driven, image oriented, success oriented. Now, Murphy,

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Speaker 2: we might get to you in a minute, because I

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Speaker 2: have a feeling you reject all have words. Yes, So

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Speaker 2: to explain a little bit about what the eneagram is,

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Speaker 2: here's an expert in the space, Jackie Pollock from Human Leadership,

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Speaker 5: The anigram is a model. In fact, some people refer

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Speaker 5: to it as a map, and it represents nine different

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Speaker 5: ways of viewing the world. So think of it like

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Speaker 5: nine different type patterns, and the patterns are around how

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Speaker 5: aniogram goes much deeper. It doesn't just look at what

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Speaker 2: And the way that you find out your eniogram number

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Speaker 2: is you do a test, either a free online one

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Speaker 2: which I'm sure is very accurate, or a full course

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Speaker 2: like our friend Jesse Stevens. You can get us into

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Speaker 2: this or not, and it will present you with a

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Speaker 2: list of basic statements and then rate your response to them.

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Speaker 2: Those statements might be just things like I enjoy being

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Speaker 2: and then it sorts you like the sorting hateah into

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Speaker 2: a number, as you have touched on Jesse. Three is

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Speaker 2: the achiever. Some others include I won't do them all,

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Speaker 2: but some others include the reformer, which is type one principled, purposeful,

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Speaker 2: easy going, receptive, agreeable, complacent. That's me. And the reason

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Speaker 2: making order. But also because of celebrities as always right

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Speaker 2: so famously, the White Lotus creator Mike White loves an anagram,

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Speaker 3: That makes total sense. He's a storyteller. He needs like

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Speaker 3: there's a sense of you work within an archetype and

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Speaker 2: And people like AaB Pohlar get all their mates to

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Speaker 2: take them. Apparently that sounds like a fun night. I

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Speaker 2: have a theory about personality types, which is, no matter

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Speaker 2: how scientific or how spiritual, whether or not you like

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Speaker 2: them depends on your personality. To so Murphy, for example,

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Speaker 2: you reject all of them, am I corrects.

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Speaker 4: Reject is a harsh word, but yes, I feel like

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Speaker 4: you can lump enneagrams in with the same type of thing,

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Speaker 4: like which friends character are you? You quizzes or all

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Speaker 4: these horoscopes that you know, whichever rising moon or whatever

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Speaker 4: you have yourself in Like, I get it, I know

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Speaker 4: why people do it. I understand it. We all want

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Speaker 4: to understand ourselves better, and we like giving ourselves little labels.

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Speaker 4: I would really like to know when you do these

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Speaker 4: Humans are so weird that we feel like we've got

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Speaker 2: We definitely won't like such. You definitely won't like this

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Speaker 4: to sit down with your friends and have conversations like

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Speaker 4: life will take you over and it will spin you

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Speaker 4: off in different stratospheres, and it gets increasingly more difficult

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Speaker 4: to bring you all back together to support each other.

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Speaker 4: And I'm eternally grateful for my friendship group who do

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Speaker 4: show up, but there have been friends over the years

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Speaker 4: who have let me down and who have left me

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Speaker 4: hanging when I've needed them at the most important times

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Speaker 4: of my life, and I really have never truly fully

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Speaker 4: forgiven them for it.

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Speaker 1: And it's something that's probably I need to work on too.

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Speaker 4: But I feel like in a situation like this, in

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Speaker 4: order to be forgiven for not being there at a

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Speaker 4: moment where you absolutely needed to be there, it's just time,

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Speaker 4: all you can do is keep chipping away back at

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Speaker 4: your friend. Let them know fully take responsibility. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 4: That was really shitty of me. Don't try and justify it,

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Speaker 4: and just let them know how important they are to

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Speaker 4: you despite this moment where some of our moments we're

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Speaker 4: not one moment in particular, but that might change the

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Speaker 4: future of your friendship forever.

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Speaker 1: So bear that in mind and just do.

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Speaker 4: Your best to repair that by just turning up and

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Speaker 4: being present.

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Speaker 3: Out Louders, what would you do next? Share your thoughts

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Speaker 3: in the mummea out loud Facebook group. Also, if you

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Speaker 3: have a dilemma, send it to us at out loud

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Speaker 2: Vibes ideas atosphere, something casual, something fun.

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Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation.

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Speaker 4: Okay, friends, it's Friday, of a week with a long

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Speaker 1: Holly, would you please do the honest first.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of out louders have already watched this,

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Speaker 2: But if there are out louders who are like, should

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Speaker 2: I or shouldn't I? The answer is yes, sirens, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yes to watch it. Loved it, loved it, loved it.

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Speaker 3: I haven't and I've heard with that like it's good

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Speaker 3: but not good is fair?

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Speaker 2: It's not perfect, but what it is is very satisfying.

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Speaker 1: What is this place? And why does everyone look like

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Speaker 1: an easter egg? Is this still their property? Mikilah, she's

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Speaker 1: my boss. I get to call her Kiki. It's a

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Speaker 1: really special honor. Hey, hey, well shielding a scepter? This

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Speaker 1: is this is my sister. I didn't know you existed,

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Speaker 1: trust me. So and I are very close.

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Speaker 2: And why didn't she tell me about you?

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Speaker 1: Where are your tattoos?

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Speaker 3: I remove them?

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Speaker 1: Are imagine sister tattoo? Kiki said it was trashy. My

480
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Speaker 1: sister seems to really worship your wife.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kiki has that effect on people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, breath.

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Speaker 4: Ten out of ten Mine, Take My Gun.

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Speaker 2: It's based on a play right by this woman called

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Speaker 2: Molly Smith Metzler, and the premise is there are these

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Speaker 2: sisters who have sort of lost touch over to and

487
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Speaker 2: one of them is at home looking after their sick

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Speaker 2: dad and the other one, the younger one, has gone

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Speaker 2: off and lived her life. And when the older one

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Speaker 2: goes to find the younger one, she finds that she's

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Speaker 2: living on this beautiful island sort of like Nantucket. Think

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Speaker 2: the perfect couple, Think Nantucket with this very charismatic, cult

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Speaker 2: leader kind of woman called Kiki, and she is her

494
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Speaker 2: personal assistant, and all kinds of shit goes down. The

495
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Speaker 2: thing that's great about it is the performances unbelievable. So

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Speaker 2: Keiky is played by Julianne Moore, who is an amazing actress,

497
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Speaker 2: the sisters, and Megan Fahi from White and Millie Olcock,

498
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Speaker 2: who is the Australian actress who is in Upright with

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Speaker 2: Tim Minchin and who's now massive in Hollywood because she's

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Speaker 2: so oh she is the most watchable person.

501
00:24:55,742 --> 00:24:58,581
Speaker 1: And so she was in Games How's the Dragon?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a House of Dragons person, and now she

503
00:25:01,861 --> 00:25:03,821
Speaker 2: is in this and she plays the sort of the

504
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Speaker 2: wayward younger sister. If you like. It's really interesting because

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Speaker 2: on the surface of it, it seems like a romp,

506
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Speaker 2: like it's very stylistically gorgeous to look at, but actually

507
00:25:15,182 --> 00:25:17,502
Speaker 2: the subject matter is quite heavy, like it deals with

508
00:25:17,742 --> 00:25:22,821
Speaker 2: class stuff and childhood trauma stuff and addiction. But it's

509
00:25:22,982 --> 00:25:25,341
Speaker 2: just so good. And Kevin Bacon did I mention.

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Speaker 3: I'm okay, you've convinced me that sounds really good.

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Speaker 2: It's really good. It's kind of like a cap center bread. Oh.

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Speaker 2: The tone's a bit weird because it does go between

513
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Speaker 2: this really heavy stuff to this kind of slightly ridiculous stuff.

514
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Speaker 2: But the ending, the twist is good. It's satisfying. I

515
00:25:39,782 --> 00:25:43,302
Speaker 2: thoroughly enjoyed it. I would happily waste several hours of

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Speaker 2: my life watching it again.

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Speaker 4: It also brings a bit of a paranormal vibe to it, too,

518
00:25:46,621 --> 00:25:49,701
Speaker 4: which you never fully quite know whether it is or

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Speaker 4: it isn't.

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Speaker 1: It's so good.

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Speaker 4: What I like the best about this is you think

522
00:25:53,702 --> 00:25:55,861
Speaker 4: you know a character and you start to get to

523
00:25:55,901 --> 00:25:58,061
Speaker 4: like them, and then you don't like them anymore, and

524
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Speaker 4: then you get to like them, and then you don't

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Speaker 4: like them.

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Speaker 1: It is like literally clear on and off the whole time.

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Speaker 1: It's so good.

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Speaker 2: It's really well written. It's called Sirens and it's on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Well, I also have a Netflix recommendation. It's an indie

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Speaker 3: little documentary.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, Jess always bringing me Indian little documentaries. Please

532
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Speaker 2: tell it's called Drive to Survive. How old is Drive

533
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Speaker 2: to Survive? Jesse?

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Speaker 3: Well, I've started at season one because I never watched it.

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Speaker 1: What season is currently in the splash?

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Speaker 3: It's maybe like seven nine, something.

537
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Speaker 2: Like that indie little docer that has completely changed the

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Speaker 2: face of a sport and industry, racing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, these guys have an almost fighter pilot mentality, and

540
00:26:38,542 --> 00:26:41,621
Speaker 5: that's what separates them from mere mortals.

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Speaker 1: All I ever do is pray for a safe race.

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Speaker 2: I never ought that I'd be there one day watching

543
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Speaker 2: my son. For me, it's harder after hard that they yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: failure a failure.

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Speaker 3: The season I'm watching is set in twenty eighteen. They

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Speaker 3: know nothing yet of the COVID.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, and here's you will remember that we were

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Speaker 4: back then.

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Speaker 1: Amazing exactly.

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Speaker 3: You'll never have heard this before. But guys, you don't

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Speaker 3: have to be inter racing to enjoy horse racing. I

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Speaker 3: do I mean the car racing. I don't care about

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Speaker 3: anything less than the cars and the room, and I

554
00:27:26,061 --> 00:27:28,901
Speaker 3: don't get it. And it's Lucas. He's so deep in

555
00:27:28,942 --> 00:27:31,141
Speaker 3: it and has loved it since he was a little kid.

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Speaker 3: And Claire got into it and I went, all right, fine,

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Speaker 3: I'll watch one episode. And I am so deep in

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Speaker 3: the drama, the bitchiness, the cars, the inn team fighting,

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Speaker 3: the neck muscles, so you know how they've all got

560
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Speaker 3: really thick next because I've got to work out the

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Speaker 3: next which is fine.

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Speaker 2: The helmets are heavy.

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Speaker 3: The helmets are the force of the force, the force Holly,

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Speaker 3: the way you've got to go into a turn, like

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Speaker 3: I like being in Monaco and then I'm in Belgium

566
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Speaker 3: and Daniel Ricardo just won and I was like.

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Speaker 2: He just real life.

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00:28:04,782 --> 00:28:10,302
Speaker 3: Put a Facebook status spoiler Daniel Ricardo one in Monaco.

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Speaker 3: I've finally learned how to say the word Grand Prix

570
00:28:13,381 --> 00:28:16,382
Speaker 3: like it's really it's so much fun. So look, it's

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Speaker 3: a great one to watch with your partner if they

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Speaker 3: love it. But it's one of the best docoes.

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Speaker 2: It is I have watched it. It's really good. But

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Speaker 2: it's so interesting the phenomena of It is so interesting

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Speaker 2: now because it literally has changed the face, like when

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Speaker 2: it was the one in Melbourne this year and all

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Speaker 2: the celebrities go to the fashion on the grid and

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Speaker 2: all that. None of that was really a thing before

579
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Speaker 2: Drive to Survive and it was seen as a bit daggy.

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Speaker 2: And now every sport has one of these docos and

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Speaker 2: most of them are not very good.

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Speaker 3: And the way that it's brought women in because women

583
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Speaker 3: are suddenly like, oh, I'm here for the storyline.

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Speaker 4: But even if I don't, I've always been fans and

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Speaker 4: supporters of Grand Prixs, like we've forgotten kind of part

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00:28:53,822 --> 00:28:55,701
Speaker 4: of the fandom of Grand Prix, and this has kind

587
00:28:55,702 --> 00:28:57,782
Speaker 4: of highlighted the fact that we've been here the whole time.

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00:28:57,902 --> 00:29:01,062
Speaker 4: Not we me personally don't watch racing, but women have

589
00:29:01,102 --> 00:29:02,382
Speaker 4: been there the whole time, and this is kind of

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00:29:02,462 --> 00:29:03,462
Speaker 4: highlighting just how.

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00:29:03,422 --> 00:29:05,582
Speaker 1: Much they are a part of it already.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that there's nothing that says that a

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Speaker 3: Formula one driver has to be You can be a

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Speaker 3: man or of woman. It's just that are there any women? No,

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Speaker 3: there's not.

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00:29:13,902 --> 00:29:16,542
Speaker 4: There's been attempts coming up through ranks of various other

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Speaker 4: racing sports, but none have made it to the Formula

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Speaker 4: one track.

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00:29:20,342 --> 00:29:23,982
Speaker 3: Yet, Claire, what is your recommendation?

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Speaker 4: I feel like it is my duty now every time

601
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Speaker 4: I come on this show to discuss very smart because

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Speaker 4: it's become part of my identity on out loud. If

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Speaker 4: you recall back in the day, I read you some

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Speaker 4: pages from the Aquitar series, which I think Hollie is

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00:29:37,902 --> 00:29:41,622
Speaker 4: still slightly damaged by. But I am here to recommend

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00:29:41,661 --> 00:29:45,822
Speaker 4: you a different series because after you finished reading Akata

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00:29:45,982 --> 00:29:48,822
Speaker 4: or Crescent City or Throne of Glass or any of

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00:29:48,862 --> 00:29:51,862
Speaker 4: the Sarah J. Mass books, you come to the end

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00:29:51,902 --> 00:29:55,262
Speaker 4: and you have posts Sarah J. Mass depression because there's

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Speaker 4: no more books and we have to wait for the

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Speaker 4: next ones. You get a little bit of a thrill

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00:29:58,982 --> 00:30:02,222
Speaker 4: out of you know, Fourth Wing and Iron Flame, and

613
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Speaker 4: then you have to wait for those books to keep

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Speaker 4: being written, and you're in a black hole.

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Speaker 2: So bloody authors aren't writing them fast enough? Oh then not,

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Speaker 2: Holy make up your patterns. People.

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Speaker 4: I'm sending desperate social media messages, which I'm sure i'm

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Speaker 4: the only one, to my favorite authors telling them to

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Speaker 4: hurry it along, and they don't respond.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why.

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Speaker 4: But let me tell you about Stacia Stark's series. It's

622
00:30:25,902 --> 00:30:28,941
Speaker 4: called Kingdom of Lies. It has filled a hole in

623
00:30:28,982 --> 00:30:33,302
Speaker 4: my life that left me just flailing about after Sarah J.

624
00:30:33,462 --> 00:30:35,982
Speaker 4: Mass's books ran out. There's four in the series that

625
00:30:36,062 --> 00:30:38,421
Speaker 4: starts off with the Court So Cruel and lovely. It

626
00:30:38,622 --> 00:30:43,502
Speaker 4: is a epic world building adventure that involves humans and

627
00:30:43,622 --> 00:30:46,142
Speaker 4: hybrids and Fay and the crossing over and the love

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00:30:46,222 --> 00:30:49,182
Speaker 4: stories between them. Plus they're also fighting in epic war

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Speaker 4: in order to allow hybrids to continue to exist in

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Speaker 4: this world. There's so many great characters. The male characters

631
00:30:57,142 --> 00:31:02,742
Speaker 4: are written just Chef's Kiss beautifully, and the female characters,

632
00:31:02,982 --> 00:31:08,102
Speaker 4: which is in my brand of Romanticy, they are strong, sassy,

633
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Speaker 4: like powerful in credible women.

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Speaker 1: Kingdom of Lies. If you're in an Akatar hole, this

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Speaker 1: will get you out of it.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you a quick question, Claire? If you

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Speaker 3: are someone who has never dipped your toe in, but

638
00:31:19,462 --> 00:31:21,542
Speaker 3: you are going all right, maybe I got to start?

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00:31:21,582 --> 00:31:23,862
Speaker 3: Where am I starting? What's the book I pick up tomorrow?

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00:31:23,902 --> 00:31:24,582
Speaker 1: Okay, there's two.

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Speaker 4: Because the thing that got me into Romanticy was our

642
00:31:28,182 --> 00:31:32,502
Speaker 4: colleague Nicole constantly walking around the office saying, akata I

643
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Speaker 4: had no idea what she was talking about. She's like,

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Speaker 4: you got to read it, you gotta read it, and

645
00:31:35,302 --> 00:31:36,701
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't even know what that is.

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Speaker 4: Someone finally handed me It's up short for a Court

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Speaker 4: of Thorns and Roses. Someone handed me that book and

648
00:31:42,742 --> 00:31:45,701
Speaker 4: I have not stopped reading Romanticy ever since. It sucked

649
00:31:45,742 --> 00:31:48,461
Speaker 4: me in and has done nearly everyone I know, but

650
00:31:48,982 --> 00:31:51,262
Speaker 4: the people who were holding out, like my mum and.

651
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Speaker 1: My sister and me and Jesse and you and Jesse.

652
00:31:54,182 --> 00:31:56,782
Speaker 1: For them it was fourth wing.

653
00:31:57,342 --> 00:32:01,782
Speaker 4: It was not so much fairy smart but dragon romance,

654
00:32:01,942 --> 00:32:05,701
Speaker 4: not with dragons, dragon adjacent. So the world building in

655
00:32:05,782 --> 00:32:09,542
Speaker 4: these stories are so incredible, Like the attention to detail

656
00:32:09,622 --> 00:32:13,661
Speaker 4: hell in creating these universes is like, they are my

657
00:32:13,702 --> 00:32:18,342
Speaker 4: two main recommendations Akata the original and you must go

658
00:32:18,422 --> 00:32:21,062
Speaker 4: to book two. If you read book one, you must.

659
00:32:21,182 --> 00:32:24,102
Speaker 4: You cannot leave it a book one, Okay, you cannot.

660
00:32:24,862 --> 00:32:26,942
Speaker 2: We do need to do this, Jesse. You know, it's

661
00:32:26,982 --> 00:32:29,462
Speaker 2: interesting because when I meet people I don't know and

662
00:32:29,622 --> 00:32:32,262
Speaker 2: they find out I write books, women will say to

663
00:32:32,302 --> 00:32:34,261
Speaker 2: me what kind of books do you write? Which I

664
00:32:34,302 --> 00:32:37,182
Speaker 2: find a very difficult question to add, what is your

665
00:32:37,222 --> 00:32:40,661
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, but I know the answer.

666
00:32:40,782 --> 00:32:44,142
Speaker 2: They want me to give fair ites, not me to

667
00:32:44,142 --> 00:32:48,461
Speaker 2: say romanticy, because they always want to tell me about

668
00:32:48,462 --> 00:32:50,902
Speaker 2: those books, like the amount of women I meet everywhere

669
00:32:50,942 --> 00:32:53,461
Speaker 2: all over Like who are just saying the books that

670
00:32:53,502 --> 00:32:55,782
Speaker 2: got me back into reading the books I can't stop reading.

671
00:32:55,862 --> 00:32:59,022
Speaker 2: I've read fifteen you know of them? Blah blah, It's

672
00:32:59,142 --> 00:33:02,622
Speaker 2: so interesting how much everybody loves them so well?

673
00:33:02,622 --> 00:33:03,942
Speaker 1: Do you know what I love too? Is like when

674
00:33:03,942 --> 00:33:04,742
Speaker 1: I meet new people.

675
00:33:04,822 --> 00:33:07,742
Speaker 4: So my husband brought a couple around for dinner who

676
00:33:07,942 --> 00:33:10,542
Speaker 4: he works with now and will having a discussion and

677
00:33:10,582 --> 00:33:12,181
Speaker 4: you know where you're trying to find your common ground

678
00:33:12,182 --> 00:33:14,942
Speaker 4: with new people, And all it took for me was to.

679
00:33:14,902 --> 00:33:17,461
Speaker 1: Say to her, oh are you a reader? And like

680
00:33:17,542 --> 00:33:18,102
Speaker 1: that was it.

681
00:33:18,182 --> 00:33:20,302
Speaker 4: The rest of the night we discussed all our favorite

682
00:33:20,382 --> 00:33:22,102
Speaker 4: romanticy books and we're our best friends now.

683
00:33:22,182 --> 00:33:22,382
Speaker 1: Like it.

684
00:33:22,462 --> 00:33:25,982
Speaker 4: Honestly, the community surrounding this is just it's next level.

685
00:33:26,062 --> 00:33:27,542
Speaker 1: It's so good. You got to get into.

686
00:33:27,382 --> 00:33:31,342
Speaker 3: It, Okay, this Kingdom of lies? It recommending? Is it spicy? Yes,

687
00:33:31,542 --> 00:33:32,142
Speaker 3: of course.

688
00:33:32,382 --> 00:33:35,342
Speaker 4: I don't read anything other than I think probably like

689
00:33:35,382 --> 00:33:38,622
Speaker 4: a level three spice is my minimum. Now I've tried

690
00:33:38,661 --> 00:33:42,542
Speaker 4: level five not for me. Three and four yeah, okay.

691
00:33:42,582 --> 00:33:44,062
Speaker 4: Note there are some books that I have read that

692
00:33:44,062 --> 00:33:47,941
Speaker 4: I'm absolutely no thank you, but three four level Spice

693
00:33:48,062 --> 00:33:50,862
Speaker 4: is about my jam and I would put this at

694
00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:54,022
Speaker 4: about a level three and a half. So some of

695
00:33:54,062 --> 00:33:56,382
Speaker 4: those scenes are written in a way that like had

696
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Speaker 4: me thinking about it for quite a long time afterwards.

697
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Speaker 4: After the break, an argument about Beije, some wacky algorithms,

698
00:34:04,702 --> 00:34:05,902
Speaker 4: and some Saturday night fun.

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Speaker 1: It's our best and Worst of the week.

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Speaker 2: One unlimited out Loud acts. We drop episodes every Tuesday

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Speaker 2: and Thursday exclusively for Mamma Mia subscribers. Follow the link

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Speaker 2: of the show notes to get us in your ears

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Speaker 2: five days a week. And a huge thank you to

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Speaker 2: all our current subscribers.

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Speaker 3: It's time for best and Worst. This is the part

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00:34:32,781 --> 00:34:34,941
Speaker 3: of the show where we share a little more from

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00:34:34,982 --> 00:34:38,222
Speaker 3: our personal lives. Holly, what was your worst?

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Speaker 2: I've got a bone pick with you, Jesse Stevens. I

709
00:34:41,261 --> 00:34:43,262
Speaker 2: don't know if you're aware of this, Murphy, but Stevens

710
00:34:43,261 --> 00:34:45,701
Speaker 2: has been cheating on Mamma Mia out Loud. I had

711
00:34:45,741 --> 00:34:49,502
Speaker 2: heard rumors. Is this being confirmed? Yes, it's been confirmed.

712
00:34:49,902 --> 00:34:53,421
Speaker 2: She is presenting a show called Parenting out loud see

713
00:34:53,462 --> 00:34:56,821
Speaker 2: what they did. Then with one Amelia Lester, who is

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00:34:56,822 --> 00:34:57,741
Speaker 2: also sometimes on.

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00:34:57,661 --> 00:34:58,861
Speaker 1: Out loud, yes, she would know.

716
00:34:59,102 --> 00:35:01,942
Speaker 2: And it's about all things parenting. It's not really about parenting,

717
00:35:01,982 --> 00:35:04,301
Speaker 2: it's about stories that parents would be interested in. And

718
00:35:04,342 --> 00:35:07,422
Speaker 2: because Jesse and Amelia are on it, it's very intelligent

719
00:35:07,422 --> 00:35:09,701
Speaker 2: and entertaining and I thoroughly enjoyed it. However, thank you.

720
00:35:11,382 --> 00:35:13,221
Speaker 2: I nearly had to pull over my car and call

721
00:35:13,382 --> 00:35:17,421
Speaker 2: you when I heard you defending all things beige when

722
00:35:17,502 --> 00:35:26,022
Speaker 2: it comes to baby clothes, nursery decor, interior design, furniture, bedding.

723
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Speaker 3: Hides, vomit, hides pooh like, hides urine.

724
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Speaker 2: Are you Kim Kardashian. This is the question because I

725
00:35:33,822 --> 00:35:36,781
Speaker 2: cannot wait for the beige days to go right. I

726
00:35:36,822 --> 00:35:39,582
Speaker 2: hate now that you walk into any I mean, I'm

727
00:35:39,582 --> 00:35:41,341
Speaker 2: not doing a lot of interior decorating, and don't get

728
00:35:41,342 --> 00:35:43,782
Speaker 2: me wrong, but if I am thinking about new bedding,

729
00:35:43,781 --> 00:35:46,662
Speaker 2: you whatever, and everything is beige and all the fancy

730
00:35:46,661 --> 00:35:48,742
Speaker 2: people's houses a beige that I see on the internet,

731
00:35:49,022 --> 00:35:52,102
Speaker 2: and it just makes me really sad, and I'm very

732
00:35:52,181 --> 00:35:54,181
Speaker 2: upset with you. Jesse. I thought more, I thought more

733
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Speaker 2: of you.

734
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Speaker 3: I thought you might like a bit of oatmeal, a

735
00:35:56,022 --> 00:35:59,542
Speaker 3: bit of flats, bit of just all the different shades

736
00:35:59,542 --> 00:36:01,381
Speaker 3: of beige. And I was talking about it in the show,

737
00:36:01,822 --> 00:36:05,262
Speaker 3: especially with kids. There's too many colors, there's too many sounds.

738
00:36:05,542 --> 00:36:08,301
Speaker 2: There's nothing sadder than a really cute little kid in

739
00:36:08,342 --> 00:36:14,462
Speaker 2: a really tasteful oatmeal. Little kids are meant to be

740
00:36:14,661 --> 00:36:16,022
Speaker 2: in ridiculous clubs.

741
00:36:16,062 --> 00:36:18,942
Speaker 1: Have you seen the TikTok account said beige children? I

742
00:36:18,982 --> 00:36:19,862
Speaker 1: think it's called it.

743
00:36:20,422 --> 00:36:23,221
Speaker 4: Like a lady who points out sad beige children's out.

744
00:36:23,542 --> 00:36:26,942
Speaker 2: I'm going because, honestly, like I understand where you're coming from.

745
00:36:27,022 --> 00:36:28,901
Speaker 2: Because when I had my kids, which is a long

746
00:36:28,942 --> 00:36:32,542
Speaker 2: time ago now Matilda's fifteen, I was very anti the

747
00:36:32,661 --> 00:36:35,701
Speaker 2: blue pink thing, you know, because I'm that person, right,

748
00:36:35,982 --> 00:36:37,741
Speaker 2: So I was very anti the blue pink thing. So

749
00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:40,661
Speaker 2: I was all about neutrals, and I thought, like you,

750
00:36:40,822 --> 00:36:42,901
Speaker 2: I thought that might be a good idea. And then

751
00:36:42,942 --> 00:36:45,102
Speaker 2: I realized how sad it was to have a little

752
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Speaker 2: baby in a tasteful what might we call that paste?

753
00:36:49,422 --> 00:36:53,542
Speaker 2: We might call that color paste, and overall we might

754
00:36:53,582 --> 00:36:56,661
Speaker 2: call that one porridge. I don't know, but whatever it is,

755
00:36:56,661 --> 00:36:59,462
Speaker 2: it's sad. And then also as soon as Matilda exerted

756
00:36:59,502 --> 00:37:03,461
Speaker 2: her free will, she struck back with a whole lot

757
00:37:03,502 --> 00:37:07,982
Speaker 2: of nylon sequin flammable colors that I had no control

758
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Speaker 2: over anymore, and.

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Speaker 3: Then she went through her BINDI ow an, you're right,

760
00:37:10,902 --> 00:37:11,622
Speaker 3: it was a whole thing, and.

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Speaker 2: It was a whole thing. But it's like when I

762
00:37:13,701 --> 00:37:16,062
Speaker 2: see and you know, I'm a big fan of Kimmy

763
00:37:16,302 --> 00:37:19,301
Speaker 2: the esteemed lawyer, Kim Kardashian, But when I see her

764
00:37:19,342 --> 00:37:21,982
Speaker 2: house and her children and they're all just in those colours,

765
00:37:22,022 --> 00:37:24,942
Speaker 2: even her graduation gowns and the hats, remember all in

766
00:37:24,982 --> 00:37:28,622
Speaker 2: those colors, I'm like, duh, dog, got a bit of emerald.

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00:37:28,221 --> 00:37:31,701
Speaker 3: Green put on the But I agree. I agree that

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Speaker 3: some a Peter be living in prisons, and I have

769
00:37:33,582 --> 00:37:36,341
Speaker 3: feedback about that. I do think maybe we need it.

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Speaker 1: To be fair. I think prisons are more of a

771
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Speaker 1: colorful environment.

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Speaker 2: Than If you want to find things to argue with

773
00:37:42,022 --> 00:37:45,182
Speaker 2: Jesse about, you can listen to that treacherous show she's

774
00:37:45,221 --> 00:37:49,341
Speaker 2: making an Amelia parenting out Loud. You'll find it in

775
00:37:49,422 --> 00:37:51,662
Speaker 2: a link in these show notes, or a new episode

776
00:37:51,661 --> 00:37:53,661
Speaker 2: will drop tomorrow and you can find it in the

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Speaker 2: This Glorious Mess feed My best, however, was Oh my god,

778
00:37:58,661 --> 00:38:00,381
Speaker 2: I've been dying to talk to you about this.

779
00:38:00,622 --> 00:38:01,702
Speaker 3: I need to know how you feel.

780
00:38:01,781 --> 00:38:03,982
Speaker 2: Go on, I also need you to explain it to

781
00:38:04,022 --> 00:38:07,542
Speaker 2: me a little bit, Jesse. So, one of my favorite obsessions,

782
00:38:07,582 --> 00:38:10,542
Speaker 2: as all out louders know, is Megan Duchess of Megan.

783
00:38:10,942 --> 00:38:14,382
Speaker 2: I love her not at all things Megan. She likes baige,

784
00:38:15,622 --> 00:38:18,741
Speaker 2: she never wears color. She's all neutrals and black, as

785
00:38:18,781 --> 00:38:21,982
Speaker 2: she was in this particular video. So as a little treat,

786
00:38:22,502 --> 00:38:25,542
Speaker 2: late last week, Megan dropped a video for I think

787
00:38:25,582 --> 00:38:29,702
Speaker 2: it was Lily Bett's birthday, the controversially named Lily Bet,

788
00:38:29,781 --> 00:38:33,221
Speaker 2: their youngest child. It was her birthday and Megan decided

789
00:38:33,221 --> 00:38:35,902
Speaker 2: to give us all a gift, which was a video

790
00:38:35,982 --> 00:38:39,142
Speaker 2: from inside the delivery suite where she and Prince Harry

791
00:38:39,542 --> 00:38:43,942
Speaker 2: are dancing to some inexplicably terrible song that's supposed to

792
00:38:43,942 --> 00:38:47,222
Speaker 2: bring on labor. Jesse, what was she doing?

793
00:38:47,342 --> 00:38:49,902
Speaker 3: Okay, how did you miss this? This is a trend

794
00:38:49,942 --> 00:38:53,901
Speaker 3: at around the time Lillabet was born where everyone who

795
00:38:53,942 --> 00:38:56,662
Speaker 3: was pregnant Laura Byrne did it. A bunch of people

796
00:38:56,661 --> 00:38:59,422
Speaker 3: on the internet would dance to that song heavily pregnant

797
00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:02,302
Speaker 3: like Steph CLEAs Smith would have done it. They danced

798
00:39:02,342 --> 00:39:03,302
Speaker 3: sexy isn't the word.

799
00:39:03,502 --> 00:39:05,861
Speaker 1: They're dropping it low to get the baby out right.

800
00:39:06,102 --> 00:39:08,221
Speaker 3: That's exactly it. That is exactly so.

801
00:39:08,261 --> 00:39:10,381
Speaker 2: There's a bit of like twerking kind of going on

802
00:39:10,502 --> 00:39:12,381
Speaker 2: and lots of dancing, and the idea is to bring

803
00:39:12,422 --> 00:39:15,181
Speaker 2: on labor. Yes, and in this video, if you haven't

804
00:39:15,221 --> 00:39:18,102
Speaker 2: seen it out louders, please do yourself a favor because

805
00:39:18,181 --> 00:39:21,701
Speaker 2: Meg's is really good. So clearly she's she's showing off

806
00:39:21,741 --> 00:39:24,821
Speaker 2: some really good dancing rhythms, even in forty two weeks

807
00:39:24,902 --> 00:39:28,262
Speaker 2: or whatever. She was Harry not so much. Harry's moves

808
00:39:28,342 --> 00:39:28,622
Speaker 2: not so.

809
00:39:28,701 --> 00:39:30,741
Speaker 4: Is that the most delightful part of that video was

810
00:39:30,781 --> 00:39:32,462
Speaker 4: like watching him into the frame and you're like, you

811
00:39:32,542 --> 00:39:33,462
Speaker 4: are so embarrassing.

812
00:39:33,462 --> 00:39:36,741
Speaker 2: This is so cute and he's giving it this and

813
00:39:36,781 --> 00:39:41,502
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my god, did you sit down? Fresh

814
00:39:41,542 --> 00:39:43,262
Speaker 2: princes have won to see those sit down.

815
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Speaker 1: I thought it was fun.

816
00:39:44,781 --> 00:39:46,822
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it, And what I also

817
00:39:46,942 --> 00:39:49,062
Speaker 2: loved is because it was Megan. Then of course the

818
00:39:49,102 --> 00:39:52,221
Speaker 2: conspiracy started. People are like, her bump's not real, her

819
00:39:52,261 --> 00:39:55,422
Speaker 2: bump looks funny. She clearly had like monitors, tens, machines,

820
00:39:55,462 --> 00:39:58,341
Speaker 2: whatever on under her black dress, which is fine, but

821
00:39:58,822 --> 00:40:00,422
Speaker 2: that was some highlight of my week. I might have

822
00:40:00,462 --> 00:40:02,982
Speaker 2: watched that video fifty times over that cold weekend.

823
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Speaker 3: I like the idea that all along they were creating content.

824
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Speaker 3: I just like that, and then they're drip feeding it.

825
00:40:09,181 --> 00:40:13,102
Speaker 3: It's like, I want lockdown style tiktoks, some more dancers

826
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Speaker 3: like just that they were doing that in I thought,

827
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Speaker 3: imagine if you're a nurse and you walked in and

828
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Speaker 3: just doing this weird.

829
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Speaker 2: Git but don't get in frame, don't get him frame.

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00:40:22,382 --> 00:40:25,701
Speaker 3: They're just like us. My worst I talked about a

831
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Speaker 3: lot this week, but definitely project ending that was the

832
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Speaker 3: end of an era and I'm just sad I wouldn't

833
00:40:30,142 --> 00:40:32,822
Speaker 3: get to see my friends as much anymore. My best

834
00:40:33,142 --> 00:40:37,341
Speaker 3: though was I had a voucher from my mum for

835
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Speaker 3: Christmas that we hadn't spent yet, and we booked an

836
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Speaker 3: advance to this restaurant which is at the Opera House

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Speaker 3: called Midden and my Dd So it is Australian indigenous

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Speaker 3: ingredients and it is literally at the Opera House. It

839
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Speaker 3: was Lucra and I Claren Rory, which I think since

840
00:40:54,302 --> 00:40:56,142
Speaker 3: the girls were born. The four of us without the

841
00:40:56,181 --> 00:40:59,702
Speaker 3: girls have spent like, you know, that's maybe our second dinner.

842
00:40:59,741 --> 00:41:02,301
Speaker 3: So it's so special when the four of us can

843
00:41:03,102 --> 00:41:07,221
Speaker 3: spend time us really interesting tastes. So there was an

844
00:41:07,261 --> 00:41:12,022
Speaker 3: amazing egg plant. We kangaroo. There was emu.

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Speaker 1: Are you an adventurous eater in general?

846
00:41:15,142 --> 00:41:15,942
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not.

847
00:41:16,181 --> 00:41:18,102
Speaker 3: And so the fact that I loved it. Look, there

848
00:41:18,102 --> 00:41:20,701
Speaker 3: were some great roast potatoes. It's a great helmus. They

849
00:41:20,902 --> 00:41:25,022
Speaker 3: are beat they exactly beige. And the dam part the bread.

850
00:41:25,622 --> 00:41:28,462
Speaker 3: Because when we did a bunch of Northern Territory tourism

851
00:41:28,542 --> 00:41:32,021
Speaker 3: stuff a few years ago, we had this tour guide

852
00:41:32,022 --> 00:41:34,982
Speaker 3: who showed us about the berries and all the different tastes.

853
00:41:35,022 --> 00:41:37,821
Speaker 3: And there are jokes sometimes about how Australia doesn't have

854
00:41:37,822 --> 00:41:41,462
Speaker 3: a cuisine. Yeah, we've got the longest you know, running

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00:41:41,582 --> 00:41:45,382
Speaker 3: population ever in Australia, forty thousand years. And the food

856
00:41:45,502 --> 00:41:49,462
Speaker 3: is so interesting and so nutritious and so yummy. And

857
00:41:49,542 --> 00:41:52,341
Speaker 3: to actually sit there and eat it and celebrate all

858
00:41:52,342 --> 00:41:53,422
Speaker 3: of those flavors.

859
00:41:53,181 --> 00:41:57,902
Speaker 4: Was so much and so sustainable and yes, seasonal and brilliant.

860
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Speaker 2: I love that exactly fun of kangaroo.

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Speaker 3: This was just a little bit too fu for me.

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Speaker 3: But Claara and Luca had some crocodile.

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Speaker 1: I love crocodile. You can get it a pizza at

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Speaker 1: the Australian the Pub.

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Speaker 3: It's delicious, really Okay, Claire, what was your worst?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 4: I need you all to steal yourselves for a minute,

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Speaker 4: because I'm about to play you something and it is

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Speaker 4: not good.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So I now work on another podcast called Well, where

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Speaker 4: we are busting some myths about women's health. Now, unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: part of that means I need to find out what

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Speaker 4: the misinformation is that women are being fed about their bodies. Yes,

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Speaker 4: and what that has done has tragically interrupted my social

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Speaker 4: media algorithm. So I now get served not only really

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Speaker 4: great videos about women's health, but really really awful ones too.

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Speaker 4: And I don't mean misinformation, I mean corners of the

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Speaker 4: Internet I never thought.

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Speaker 1: I would tread.

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Speaker 4: Oh, for example, there is a certain group of men

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Speaker 4: in the world who are a little bit too obsessed

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Speaker 4: with women's menstrual cycles. Okay, if you are easily grossed out,

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Speaker 4: please just I don't know, look away for a second.

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Speaker 4: This won't take long. It's a lot, Okay, have a

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Speaker 4: listen to this.

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Speaker 5: Did my gooey little kitten leave her menstrul cup out

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Speaker 5: for daddy.

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Speaker 2: You're such a good girl, Thank you, kitten.

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00:43:25,422 --> 00:43:27,582
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so lovely.

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00:43:27,622 --> 00:43:32,022
Speaker 2: It tastes like salty milk, and coins salty milk.

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Speaker 1: It is exact exactly what you think. Does happened? Just happened?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. And that's not the kind of stuff

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00:43:37,902 --> 00:43:41,502
Speaker 3: that's in your fairy smart that's no, no bridge too

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Speaker 3: far for you, okay. I will also point out another

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Speaker 3: woman who makes quote unquote Koda muffins Oh, which also

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Speaker 3: involve her menstrel cup being poured into the batter of

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Speaker 3: her muffins, which she claims is her husband's favorite.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it must be full of goodness, right, I guess

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Speaker 2: it's full of goodness, that's I mean, yes.

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00:43:59,542 --> 00:44:02,941
Speaker 3: But also body, the body can just get rid of things.

902
00:44:02,942 --> 00:44:04,781
Speaker 3: Sometimes it just wants to get rid of it, and

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00:44:04,822 --> 00:44:06,301
Speaker 3: we just say bye bye and we do a foe.

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Speaker 2: We don't put it back in.

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Speaker 3: No, we don't have to put it back in.

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00:44:08,382 --> 00:44:08,902
Speaker 2: That's okay.

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00:44:08,982 --> 00:44:10,142
Speaker 1: And I'm if we'll.

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Speaker 4: Reach a stage now how we used to will be

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Speaker 4: grossed out by breast milk, Like, will.

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Speaker 1: We get to a point where where. I'm not sure

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00:44:16,102 --> 00:44:16,622
Speaker 1: we will.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just wearing it around. They make breast milk

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Speaker 3: like necklaces. Maybe we'll have a beautiful menstrual ring or something.

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Speaker 2: I'm really maybe into this. Your algorithm sounds terrified.

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Speaker 1: It is messed up.

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Speaker 4: So on that note, let's move into the best of

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Speaker 4: my week. As I leave you to be forever traumatized

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Speaker 4: by that bit of audio, Can I give a shout

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Speaker 4: out to the Arctic freeze we are currently explained in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love cold weather so much.

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Speaker 4: I live in the wrong country obviously, or the right country,

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Speaker 4: depending on who you speak to, because there's lots of

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Speaker 4: people who now live in Australia who used to live

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Speaker 4: in the Northern Hemisphere who have realized how ill equipped

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Speaker 4: Australian homes are winter. Oh yes, and they are like

926
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Speaker 4: we thought we'd come to Australia and be warm. I'm sorry, no,

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Speaker 4: that's not the case. We don't have enough insulation or

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Speaker 4: central heating to deal with that. You will need to

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Speaker 4: wear your north face vest inside. But I am a

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Speaker 4: cold lover. I love nothing more than wooly jumpers, puffy jackets,

931
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Speaker 4: hot water bottles. I have moved into our new house.

932
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Speaker 4: We have a wood fire and it is like that,

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, It's the most calming thing in the

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Speaker 4: world to just sit like. I don't even turn the

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Speaker 4: TV on. I literally just stare at the fire in

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Speaker 4: our laund room for hours.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't be more. I can't stand the cold. I

938
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Speaker 2: hate it.

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Speaker 3: I hate it.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in it like it's normal for me,

941
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Speaker 2: but I can't. I'm like, please, I just like the

942
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Speaker 2: temperature to be always, like you're saying about saunas. I

943
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Speaker 2: just like to get out of bed and not have

944
00:45:43,781 --> 00:45:45,942
Speaker 2: to think about whether it's hot or cold.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just right.

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Speaker 1: But do you not like putting on like gloves and

947
00:45:49,982 --> 00:45:50,941
Speaker 1: a scarf and a.

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Speaker 4: Beanie and walking out on like a really crisp morning

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Speaker 4: with like a really hot mug of tea, Like, oh delightful.

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Speaker 2: We'll leave that with you. No, no, I I mean

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Speaker 2: I did do that this weekend. I was checking on

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Speaker 2: the plants with like twenty five layers on, but I

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00:46:04,582 --> 00:46:05,622
Speaker 2: wasn't having a good time.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like my ideal Sunday morning.

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Speaker 2: That is all we have time for, my friends. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us on another week through Mama

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Speaker 2: Mia out loud, we appreciate you. We also appreciate our

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Speaker 2: incredible team, so Jesse and Claire read them out.

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Speaker 3: A big thank you to our team group executive producer

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Speaker 3: Ruth Divine, executive producer Emmeline Gazillis, our audio producer is

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Speaker 3: Leah Porgies.

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Speaker 4: And video producer Josh Green. And our junior content producers

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Speaker 3: Goodbye, Ye and out loud. As If you want another

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Speaker 3: little treat something to listen to, we thought we'd leave

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Speaker 3: you with a little bit of a conversation we had

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Speaker 3: on our subscriber episode yesterday. It was a really interesting one. Holly,

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Speaker 3: em and I unpacked the thirty six questions that you

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Speaker 3: need to ask to fall in love, and what we

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Speaker 3: did is we did some of them and you will

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Speaker 3: find out whether or not we are fell in love

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Speaker 3: by the end. A link as always be in the

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Speaker 3: show notes. Shout out to any Mum and me a

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Speaker 3: subscribers listening. If you love the show and you want

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Speaker 3: best way to do so. There's a link in the

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