1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:27,064 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:27,104 --> 00:00:30,184 Speaker 2: to this Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 5 00:00:30,184 --> 00:00:33,664 Speaker 2: Brodnick and I'm Causeen lu Kitch and on the show today, 6 00:00:33,904 --> 00:00:37,064 Speaker 2: Dear Hailey Baber has gifted us with so much content. 7 00:00:37,504 --> 00:00:39,984 Speaker 2: She is on the cover of the new Vogue magazine. 8 00:00:40,024 --> 00:00:42,544 Speaker 2: She's a Vogue cover girl, She's released a series of 9 00:00:42,624 --> 00:00:45,544 Speaker 2: videos to go with it, and Justin Bieber has weighed 10 00:00:45,544 --> 00:00:48,464 Speaker 2: in with a very unfortunate backstory about the whole thing. 11 00:00:48,504 --> 00:00:50,664 Speaker 2: So we're going to get into that, but first I 12 00:00:50,704 --> 00:00:51,624 Speaker 2: have some breaking news. 13 00:00:52,864 --> 00:00:56,664 Speaker 1: Tell me about this breaking news better be really really good. 14 00:00:57,344 --> 00:00:59,464 Speaker 2: Solve a problem that you've had in your life for 15 00:00:59,504 --> 00:01:02,784 Speaker 2: a long time but you haven't like felt comfortable to express. Okay, 16 00:01:02,944 --> 00:01:08,384 Speaker 2: have you ever been desperate to have a nipple piercing? Really? Yes? Seriously, 17 00:01:08,544 --> 00:01:11,184 Speaker 2: one of the target audience for this actually. 18 00:01:10,824 --> 00:01:12,544 Speaker 1: Have always thought about it, but then I was like, 19 00:01:12,584 --> 00:01:14,704 Speaker 1: I don't want it to show through. But I know 20 00:01:14,704 --> 00:01:15,544 Speaker 1: what you're about to say. 21 00:01:15,624 --> 00:01:18,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's your issue. You don't want to show through. 22 00:01:18,224 --> 00:01:19,224 Speaker 1: I'm at the pain. 23 00:01:19,384 --> 00:01:21,304 Speaker 2: I cannot think of anything more painful. 24 00:01:21,384 --> 00:01:23,584 Speaker 1: I don't know why I can't. I don't have any tattoos, 25 00:01:23,584 --> 00:01:27,024 Speaker 1: I have to ear piercings. Like I'm very vanilla, but 26 00:01:27,104 --> 00:01:28,384 Speaker 1: for some reason. 27 00:01:28,224 --> 00:01:29,664 Speaker 2: On me too. I had to go to a premier 28 00:01:29,704 --> 00:01:31,264 Speaker 2: party the other night where they were giving out like 29 00:01:31,384 --> 00:01:34,104 Speaker 2: free piercings and tattoos. Everyone's like, this is your moment. 30 00:01:34,184 --> 00:01:36,464 Speaker 2: I was like, no, I wear one earring in each R. 31 00:01:36,664 --> 00:01:38,304 Speaker 2: No tattoos. I'm so boring now. 32 00:01:38,304 --> 00:01:40,864 Speaker 1: I'm very vanilla, but for some reason, in the back 33 00:01:40,904 --> 00:01:43,904 Speaker 1: of my head, I'm like, maybe I want a nipple piercing. 34 00:01:44,184 --> 00:01:46,584 Speaker 2: Well, Kim Kardashian has heard your prayers from all the 35 00:01:46,624 --> 00:01:48,544 Speaker 2: other vanilla girls like you and me around the world 36 00:01:48,624 --> 00:01:51,624 Speaker 2: because Hot off the heels of her nipple bra she 37 00:01:51,704 --> 00:01:54,144 Speaker 2: released in October of last year. Remember how that just 38 00:01:54,144 --> 00:01:56,704 Speaker 2: became a huge thing. She's already got so many different 39 00:01:56,704 --> 00:01:59,024 Speaker 2: bras in her skims line, and that's worth over a 40 00:01:59,024 --> 00:02:02,344 Speaker 2: billion dollars. Everyone loves the bras like separate to Kim Kardashian, 41 00:02:02,464 --> 00:02:05,384 Speaker 2: like it's a really successful business. She released this nipple 42 00:02:05,384 --> 00:02:08,264 Speaker 2: bra where it has the nipple sticking out of it 43 00:02:08,304 --> 00:02:09,864 Speaker 2: so you can pop that on at any time and 44 00:02:09,864 --> 00:02:12,264 Speaker 2: have you out. Don't have to worry about like one 45 00:02:12,304 --> 00:02:13,904 Speaker 2: being out and all that, you know, doing what the 46 00:02:13,944 --> 00:02:14,464 Speaker 2: women want. 47 00:02:14,584 --> 00:02:16,984 Speaker 1: Yes, I And look, this is very like Sex and 48 00:02:17,024 --> 00:02:18,824 Speaker 1: the City code. Do you remember that episode where there 49 00:02:18,864 --> 00:02:20,544 Speaker 1: was the nipple? Yeah? 50 00:02:20,344 --> 00:02:21,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they had them at. 51 00:02:21,304 --> 00:02:24,104 Speaker 1: The bar, Like being on high Beam is kind of 52 00:02:24,344 --> 00:02:26,024 Speaker 1: sexy and I get that. 53 00:02:26,464 --> 00:02:28,864 Speaker 2: Ew, what are those there's nipples? 54 00:02:28,904 --> 00:02:31,544 Speaker 1: And why are we carrying them around? They were said 55 00:02:31,544 --> 00:02:34,104 Speaker 1: to me of some kind of promotional thee Really is 56 00:02:34,144 --> 00:02:36,424 Speaker 1: there a nipple council or nipples getting a bad rap? 57 00:02:36,664 --> 00:02:38,344 Speaker 2: Nipples are huge right now? 58 00:02:38,904 --> 00:02:42,064 Speaker 1: Like being on high Beam is kind of sexy, and 59 00:02:42,264 --> 00:02:42,984 Speaker 1: I get that. 60 00:02:43,224 --> 00:02:45,744 Speaker 2: I love how Sex and City is still so relevant today. 61 00:02:45,824 --> 00:02:47,904 Speaker 2: I still look at it for all my dating advice, 62 00:02:47,904 --> 00:02:50,304 Speaker 2: which is a terrible idea. So anyway, this week, Kim 63 00:02:50,344 --> 00:02:54,144 Speaker 2: Kardashian has launched a new bra which is a variation 64 00:02:54,344 --> 00:02:56,984 Speaker 2: of the iconic nipple bra, but it's got a built 65 00:02:57,064 --> 00:03:00,984 Speaker 2: in nipple piercing. So there's a promotional video that came 66 00:03:01,024 --> 00:03:03,144 Speaker 2: out for it and a model she walks into a bar. 67 00:03:03,464 --> 00:03:05,624 Speaker 2: She's wearing a body suit with a bra and underneath, 68 00:03:05,664 --> 00:03:07,984 Speaker 2: and you can see that each of the nipples is pierced, 69 00:03:08,024 --> 00:03:10,824 Speaker 2: which is also like a choice, very kind of overt, 70 00:03:11,424 --> 00:03:13,784 Speaker 2: and she kind of says to the camera, there's. 71 00:03:13,704 --> 00:03:17,864 Speaker 1: Enough pantsul thanks about being a woman. Get the ooh without. 72 00:03:17,504 --> 00:03:20,864 Speaker 2: The ouch, Get the ooh without the ouch, which is 73 00:03:20,944 --> 00:03:22,344 Speaker 2: marketing that speaks to my soul. 74 00:03:22,624 --> 00:03:25,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of like it. I mean, go for it. 75 00:03:25,304 --> 00:03:28,944 Speaker 1: Do you know it's funny because I do know that 76 00:03:29,224 --> 00:03:33,264 Speaker 1: whole Like if you've got nipples that aren't always hard, yeah, 77 00:03:33,304 --> 00:03:36,144 Speaker 1: and only one gets hard, you can feel and it 78 00:03:36,184 --> 00:03:39,784 Speaker 1: feels like a little bit like yeah, you know, after kids, 79 00:03:39,784 --> 00:03:41,224 Speaker 1: they're always like that. 80 00:03:41,464 --> 00:03:45,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, just so you know, good to know one of 81 00:03:45,224 --> 00:03:46,704 Speaker 2: those things they don't tell you about motherhood. 82 00:03:46,944 --> 00:03:52,784 Speaker 1: No, if you breastfeed, they will be like freaking ouch. Yeah, right, 83 00:03:52,784 --> 00:03:55,784 Speaker 1: therefore you but get you look, I probably wouldn't. I'm 84 00:03:55,824 --> 00:03:58,904 Speaker 1: not a padded bra person. I like as little padding 85 00:03:59,184 --> 00:04:01,184 Speaker 1: as possible. But go for it. 86 00:04:01,344 --> 00:04:03,944 Speaker 2: I mean, it's got a market I like the idea 87 00:04:03,944 --> 00:04:05,224 Speaker 2: of it, just to kind of just I would just 88 00:04:05,264 --> 00:04:06,544 Speaker 2: love to worry it to tail with my friends and 89 00:04:06,584 --> 00:04:08,584 Speaker 2: just sit down and say nothing and just see who noticed. 90 00:04:08,584 --> 00:04:10,584 Speaker 2: But the kindly problem is that my boobs are so 91 00:04:10,784 --> 00:04:13,104 Speaker 2: enormous that I think a nipple piercing would just be 92 00:04:13,144 --> 00:04:14,624 Speaker 2: lost in the noise. 93 00:04:14,864 --> 00:04:17,544 Speaker 1: The option for just one nipple piercing. 94 00:04:17,304 --> 00:04:18,944 Speaker 2: I do it not in this first round. Maybe that's 95 00:04:18,944 --> 00:04:21,424 Speaker 2: some good feedback for Kim Kardashian because the thing is, like, 96 00:04:21,424 --> 00:04:23,664 Speaker 2: the nipple bra did sell very well, but it obviously 97 00:04:23,664 --> 00:04:25,864 Speaker 2: didn't sell as well as all of her other just 98 00:04:25,904 --> 00:04:28,504 Speaker 2: you know, basic kind of bra Jimmy Ki, yeah exactly, 99 00:04:28,544 --> 00:04:31,144 Speaker 2: but that company's like all the Kashdashian brands are good 100 00:04:31,144 --> 00:04:33,664 Speaker 2: at this, but Skims in particular is really good of it. 101 00:04:33,664 --> 00:04:35,544 Speaker 2: They're all run by the same woman who's like kind 102 00:04:35,544 --> 00:04:38,664 Speaker 2: of puts her magic on all the Kardashian brands. 103 00:04:39,304 --> 00:04:40,384 Speaker 1: Thinkers right now, are you? 104 00:04:40,504 --> 00:04:43,384 Speaker 2: They go excellent marketing. Remember when she named it kimono 105 00:04:43,584 --> 00:04:46,384 Speaker 2: and gotten, Yeah, that was a misstep, but from Skims 106 00:04:46,504 --> 00:04:49,264 Speaker 2: is good. I think Skims then she's been doing quite 107 00:04:49,264 --> 00:04:51,104 Speaker 2: well because him and her team for Skims, I think, 108 00:04:51,104 --> 00:04:54,584 Speaker 2: are really good at jumping on really zeitgeisty moments. So 109 00:04:54,784 --> 00:04:57,224 Speaker 2: like when Sabrina Carpenter was kind of first blowing up 110 00:04:57,264 --> 00:04:59,184 Speaker 2: after she opened for Taylor Swift, like they had her 111 00:04:59,304 --> 00:05:02,024 Speaker 2: do a campaign when everyone was like fawning over Patrick 112 00:05:02,064 --> 00:05:05,144 Speaker 2: Swartznegger during like the White Lotus, Like they're really good 113 00:05:05,144 --> 00:05:07,584 Speaker 2: at just pulling people in doing like a sexy photo 114 00:05:07,584 --> 00:05:09,864 Speaker 2: shoot and then putting it out while they're in the moment, 115 00:05:10,344 --> 00:05:12,944 Speaker 2: whereas like more traditional media or marketing is like usually 116 00:05:13,024 --> 00:05:15,424 Speaker 2: lagging a few months to a year behind. So I 117 00:05:15,424 --> 00:05:17,264 Speaker 2: think this is just to get people talking, but like 118 00:05:17,304 --> 00:05:20,584 Speaker 2: it does the trick, and so many got us. Yeah exactly, 119 00:05:20,624 --> 00:05:22,824 Speaker 2: I feel like I've just done Skims promo. But anyway, 120 00:05:22,864 --> 00:05:26,424 Speaker 2: if anyone does buy the bra, it's retailing for seventy 121 00:05:26,424 --> 00:05:29,024 Speaker 2: four dollars US and you can buy it now from Skims. Again, 122 00:05:29,104 --> 00:05:30,944 Speaker 2: we don't get any commission from this, although that would 123 00:05:30,944 --> 00:05:34,224 Speaker 2: be delightful. But if anyone buys the new Pierce Bra, 124 00:05:34,384 --> 00:05:36,944 Speaker 2: let us know and as pictures in like a you know, 125 00:05:36,984 --> 00:05:37,504 Speaker 2: a subtle way. 126 00:05:37,584 --> 00:05:40,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll not say it like a weird, creepy damn way. 127 00:05:40,344 --> 00:05:41,704 Speaker 2: Although I'd kind of be up from those street that 128 00:05:41,744 --> 00:05:45,024 Speaker 2: sounds kind of fun. So Hailey Beeber is on the 129 00:05:45,024 --> 00:05:47,504 Speaker 2: cover of the new Vogue magazine. And obviously when anyone 130 00:05:47,544 --> 00:05:49,864 Speaker 2: does a Vogue cover, they do the full big interview, 131 00:05:49,904 --> 00:05:52,064 Speaker 2: they do the full photo spread, but they also do 132 00:05:52,384 --> 00:05:55,344 Speaker 2: a Vogue video series to promote it, and in this case, 133 00:05:55,464 --> 00:05:58,144 Speaker 2: Kaylee has done the classic What's in Her Bag? Where 134 00:05:58,184 --> 00:05:59,584 Speaker 2: you know, the cool girls come in. They sit on 135 00:05:59,624 --> 00:06:01,904 Speaker 2: a beautiful beige couch. They go through their bag, which 136 00:06:01,904 --> 00:06:04,224 Speaker 2: has obviously been like very curated because there's never any 137 00:06:04,304 --> 00:06:07,264 Speaker 2: like dirty tissues or half eaten musley bars. It's always 138 00:06:07,304 --> 00:06:09,424 Speaker 2: like all their beautiful products, which I actually quite love. 139 00:06:09,704 --> 00:06:11,984 Speaker 1: I love it. It's a little bit of realism. If 140 00:06:12,024 --> 00:06:13,824 Speaker 1: we were going to do it for me right now, 141 00:06:14,504 --> 00:06:15,544 Speaker 1: let's do some realism. 142 00:06:15,704 --> 00:06:16,544 Speaker 2: Oh what's in there? 143 00:06:16,984 --> 00:06:22,064 Speaker 1: You ready? Hang on some gum wrapper or just a rapper? 144 00:06:22,184 --> 00:06:22,464 Speaker 2: Love that? 145 00:06:22,984 --> 00:06:24,824 Speaker 1: An empty neurophon bottle. 146 00:06:25,504 --> 00:06:26,904 Speaker 2: Oh, that's when you know you've had a hard week. 147 00:06:29,904 --> 00:06:32,544 Speaker 2: It quite good. Yeah, I don't even know what's in mind? 148 00:06:32,664 --> 00:06:35,144 Speaker 2: Just so much. I have so much stuff in this 149 00:06:35,264 --> 00:06:37,344 Speaker 2: huge bag. I carry my whole life with me. But yeah, 150 00:06:37,344 --> 00:06:41,024 Speaker 2: an umbrella that doesn't work, an empty perfume bottle, so 151 00:06:41,224 --> 00:06:44,464 Speaker 2: much hand sanitizer because I have some deep seated germophobia 152 00:06:44,504 --> 00:06:46,384 Speaker 2: I need to work through one day with a therapist. 153 00:06:46,464 --> 00:06:47,384 Speaker 2: But nothing chic. 154 00:06:47,704 --> 00:06:49,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you don't know. Look, Hayley Baby, she looks 155 00:06:49,744 --> 00:06:50,904 Speaker 1: stunning on the show. 156 00:06:50,944 --> 00:06:53,184 Speaker 2: She does look amazing. And when I first saw the video, 157 00:06:53,224 --> 00:06:54,784 Speaker 2: because I watched it, pretty much aston as it when 158 00:06:54,824 --> 00:06:56,584 Speaker 2: line with the Vogue cover, because it was all happening 159 00:06:56,624 --> 00:06:58,784 Speaker 2: was an event. And as you watch it, you quickly 160 00:06:58,824 --> 00:07:01,464 Speaker 2: realize it's not the traditional in her bag video. It's 161 00:07:01,464 --> 00:07:03,384 Speaker 2: a parody that a lot of work has been put 162 00:07:03,424 --> 00:07:07,144 Speaker 2: into to kind of address every single rumor about this 163 00:07:07,184 --> 00:07:10,304 Speaker 2: famous girl. So she's going through she pulls out about 164 00:07:10,464 --> 00:07:14,544 Speaker 2: ten mobile phones and says it's to set up like 165 00:07:14,664 --> 00:07:18,744 Speaker 2: stalker account surf and homously commenting stork view other girl's 166 00:07:18,824 --> 00:07:21,544 Speaker 2: pages and make multiple accounts, you know that kind of thing, 167 00:07:21,824 --> 00:07:24,744 Speaker 2: which is a really kind of sneaky nod to when 168 00:07:24,864 --> 00:07:27,464 Speaker 2: people have accused her of doing that to a lot 169 00:07:27,504 --> 00:07:30,664 Speaker 2: of other famous women, but in particular Selena Gomez, like 170 00:07:30,704 --> 00:07:31,544 Speaker 2: that old chestnut. 171 00:07:31,624 --> 00:07:33,424 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know what I think is interesting about this? 172 00:07:33,504 --> 00:07:36,544 Speaker 1: I actually think this is a very smart PR move. Yeah, 173 00:07:36,704 --> 00:07:39,864 Speaker 1: her and her team is you know, when there is 174 00:07:39,904 --> 00:07:43,824 Speaker 1: all this discourse out there about her tricking Justin Bieber, Yeah, 175 00:07:43,904 --> 00:07:47,104 Speaker 1: falling in love with her, you embrace that and you 176 00:07:47,184 --> 00:07:48,704 Speaker 1: kind of make fun of yourself a little bit. I 177 00:07:48,704 --> 00:07:52,744 Speaker 1: think it's a really good PR tactic. On her behole. 178 00:07:53,304 --> 00:07:54,824 Speaker 1: My favorite part though, do you want to tell us 179 00:07:54,824 --> 00:07:55,864 Speaker 1: about the best bit? Oh? 180 00:07:55,904 --> 00:07:57,904 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's so many good moments. It's like a 181 00:07:57,904 --> 00:08:00,944 Speaker 2: freaking Mary Poppins bag. Like she pulls out this perfume 182 00:08:00,984 --> 00:08:02,824 Speaker 2: and talks about how her family got it for her 183 00:08:02,864 --> 00:08:04,504 Speaker 2: and it does all the work, and then she holds 184 00:08:04,544 --> 00:08:07,224 Speaker 2: it up and it's like it did perfume Nepo because 185 00:08:07,224 --> 00:08:09,504 Speaker 2: obviously you know she's a Nepo baby. She's from the 186 00:08:09,544 --> 00:08:12,064 Speaker 2: Baldwin family. Made me think of that time where she 187 00:08:12,104 --> 00:08:14,344 Speaker 2: did a paparazzi walk and that NEPO Baby T shirt 188 00:08:14,344 --> 00:08:16,424 Speaker 2: didn't really land at the time, the T shirt, but 189 00:08:16,504 --> 00:08:18,784 Speaker 2: this one quite did. She pulls out all of her 190 00:08:18,904 --> 00:08:21,624 Speaker 2: road lip glosses, is throwing them everywhere, and in a 191 00:08:21,664 --> 00:08:24,224 Speaker 2: Mary Poppins mood, she reaches into the bag and pulls 192 00:08:24,264 --> 00:08:27,464 Speaker 2: out her very infamous Air One smoothie, the one that 193 00:08:27,504 --> 00:08:30,624 Speaker 2: costs like us thirty dollars, and she drinks the whole 194 00:08:30,664 --> 00:08:32,784 Speaker 2: thing down and says that my skin looks this way 195 00:08:32,824 --> 00:08:34,704 Speaker 2: because of this, which I think is kind of a 196 00:08:34,784 --> 00:08:36,944 Speaker 2: nodge that idea of people saying that that smoothie is 197 00:08:36,984 --> 00:08:39,624 Speaker 2: not healthy it's so packed with sugar. And they're like, 198 00:08:39,624 --> 00:08:42,064 Speaker 2: there's no way Haley Beaber drinks that every day, which 199 00:08:42,104 --> 00:08:43,744 Speaker 2: is kind of the joke in the thing. But yeah, 200 00:08:43,784 --> 00:08:45,864 Speaker 2: the best one is when she pulls out this kind 201 00:08:45,904 --> 00:08:49,024 Speaker 2: of nondescript little black bottle with like a dropper and 202 00:08:49,064 --> 00:08:51,944 Speaker 2: holds it up to the camera and says this, Okay. 203 00:08:51,624 --> 00:08:55,264 Speaker 3: So, last, but not least, this is a little tincture 204 00:08:55,464 --> 00:08:58,344 Speaker 3: potion that I got. I would say probably when I 205 00:08:58,384 --> 00:09:01,344 Speaker 3: was around twelve. My dad flew me to go and 206 00:09:01,384 --> 00:09:03,664 Speaker 3: meet with this witch who lived in the mountains, and 207 00:09:03,784 --> 00:09:06,184 Speaker 3: she made this specifically for me. She told me that 208 00:09:06,304 --> 00:09:09,584 Speaker 3: it would make a young Canadian pop star fall in 209 00:09:09,584 --> 00:09:13,104 Speaker 3: love with me. So yeah, been taking this one for years, 210 00:09:13,264 --> 00:09:19,424 Speaker 3: Absolutely love it, and yeah. 211 00:09:18,144 --> 00:09:21,704 Speaker 1: Thanks dad, I love this. I actually again, I really 212 00:09:21,784 --> 00:09:24,184 Speaker 1: think this is a great way to kind of embrace 213 00:09:24,264 --> 00:09:26,584 Speaker 1: that negative energy. It's actually made me like Hailey Bieber 214 00:09:26,864 --> 00:09:27,984 Speaker 1: a lot more. 215 00:09:28,504 --> 00:09:30,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that idea because that has been a 216 00:09:30,784 --> 00:09:34,224 Speaker 2: thing for so long that she's tricked and bewitched and 217 00:09:34,584 --> 00:09:37,504 Speaker 2: like manipulated her way into making Justin Bieber fall in 218 00:09:37,544 --> 00:09:39,504 Speaker 2: love with her. So the way she kind of looks 219 00:09:39,504 --> 00:09:41,304 Speaker 2: to the camera and almost does this little wink and 220 00:09:41,344 --> 00:09:43,144 Speaker 2: says like I've been taking this every day and it 221 00:09:43,184 --> 00:09:44,744 Speaker 2: really works. Thanks Dad. 222 00:09:44,864 --> 00:09:47,264 Speaker 1: I feel like as well, like she could have gone 223 00:09:47,304 --> 00:09:49,144 Speaker 1: the other way and just kind of ignored it and 224 00:09:49,184 --> 00:09:51,344 Speaker 1: done a really serious one, but the fact that she's 225 00:09:51,384 --> 00:09:54,344 Speaker 1: happy to poke fund it herself kind of endears me 226 00:09:54,464 --> 00:09:56,104 Speaker 1: to her. Yeah, a little bit. 227 00:09:56,304 --> 00:09:58,064 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a nod too, because people have 228 00:09:58,064 --> 00:10:00,144 Speaker 2: always said that her dad tried to set her up 229 00:10:00,144 --> 00:10:02,504 Speaker 2: with Justin Bieber, because when she was a kid, there's 230 00:10:02,544 --> 00:10:05,264 Speaker 2: photos of her meeting Justin Bieber backstage like a talk 231 00:10:05,264 --> 00:10:07,464 Speaker 2: show or something like that, and her dad had brought 232 00:10:07,464 --> 00:10:09,224 Speaker 2: her along because he's famous and was able to pull 233 00:10:09,224 --> 00:10:11,824 Speaker 2: a few strings, and so many people say like he 234 00:10:11,904 --> 00:10:15,064 Speaker 2: brought his child daughter along to meet this guy to 235 00:10:15,224 --> 00:10:17,664 Speaker 2: like kind of entrap him from a really early age, 236 00:10:17,704 --> 00:10:19,344 Speaker 2: like all this kind of crazy stuff. So when she 237 00:10:19,344 --> 00:10:21,544 Speaker 2: does a little thanks Dad, it's kind of a nod 238 00:10:21,584 --> 00:10:23,984 Speaker 2: to that. The kind of thing is like, did she 239 00:10:24,064 --> 00:10:26,824 Speaker 2: come up with a concept I guess or second. 240 00:10:26,544 --> 00:10:29,064 Speaker 1: Look, she's had she's got a team behind her. I 241 00:10:29,184 --> 00:10:32,224 Speaker 1: would I would hazard a guess that she had like 242 00:10:32,264 --> 00:10:34,984 Speaker 1: a pr talk to her about the approach of this 243 00:10:35,144 --> 00:10:36,864 Speaker 1: and sort of trying to make a little bit of 244 00:10:36,984 --> 00:10:40,104 Speaker 1: light of it, because there has been so much negativity 245 00:10:40,224 --> 00:10:44,824 Speaker 1: around particularly around her and Justin's relationship, about how their 246 00:10:44,904 --> 00:10:48,824 Speaker 1: relationships falling apart, they're moving to Europe, Justin's having a 247 00:10:48,864 --> 00:10:52,024 Speaker 1: manic breakdown, Like there's been a lot of really negative 248 00:10:52,584 --> 00:10:55,304 Speaker 1: attention around them recently, and not a lot of the 249 00:10:55,384 --> 00:10:59,904 Speaker 1: positive you know, around road around her new baby. So 250 00:11:00,064 --> 00:11:03,264 Speaker 1: I think this Vogue article comes along with the in 251 00:11:03,304 --> 00:11:04,704 Speaker 1: her bag would we talk about in a little bit. 252 00:11:05,024 --> 00:11:07,184 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of a way to push a 253 00:11:07,224 --> 00:11:08,984 Speaker 1: little bit more of that positive narrative. 254 00:11:09,104 --> 00:11:10,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, as much as I don't think like she wrote 255 00:11:10,824 --> 00:11:12,904 Speaker 2: all the jokes, I think half the strength of like 256 00:11:12,904 --> 00:11:15,104 Speaker 2: a smart celebrity is someone who knows how to have 257 00:11:15,184 --> 00:11:17,384 Speaker 2: the right team around them and knows what to say 258 00:11:17,464 --> 00:11:20,224 Speaker 2: yes too. So the fact that she's playing into it 259 00:11:20,304 --> 00:11:22,544 Speaker 2: so well and that in her head someone said to her, 260 00:11:22,584 --> 00:11:24,824 Speaker 2: we'll just take everything and make fun of it, I 261 00:11:24,904 --> 00:11:27,224 Speaker 2: think it's very smart of her to really lean into that. 262 00:11:27,264 --> 00:11:28,984 Speaker 2: Because also it's Vogue. She could have gone and done 263 00:11:29,024 --> 00:11:30,504 Speaker 2: like her I know she's done other like more kind 264 00:11:30,504 --> 00:11:32,944 Speaker 2: of classic videos she could have done, like an at 265 00:11:32,944 --> 00:11:34,504 Speaker 2: home she could have done, like a photo shoot she 266 00:11:34,504 --> 00:11:37,144 Speaker 2: could have done something really lucks to like elevate herself 267 00:11:37,184 --> 00:11:37,824 Speaker 2: to high fashion. 268 00:11:37,904 --> 00:11:39,504 Speaker 1: She could have done the really serious thing. But it 269 00:11:39,584 --> 00:11:42,584 Speaker 1: almost reminds me of like when Kim K did host 270 00:11:42,664 --> 00:11:46,024 Speaker 1: it SNL. Yeah, kind of that poking fun, you know, 271 00:11:46,184 --> 00:11:48,624 Speaker 1: humanizing and I think that that is so important to 272 00:11:48,664 --> 00:11:51,504 Speaker 1: people now, that authenticity, which I think is what she's 273 00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:52,464 Speaker 1: really trying to lean into. 274 00:11:52,584 --> 00:11:54,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she kind of knew the right people to 275 00:11:54,184 --> 00:11:56,184 Speaker 2: say yes too, which is very smart. It kind of 276 00:11:56,184 --> 00:11:58,304 Speaker 2: reminded me also when Brooklyn Beckham did that ad where 277 00:11:58,344 --> 00:11:59,904 Speaker 2: he poked fun at him Solom who was in a 278 00:11:59,984 --> 00:12:02,424 Speaker 2: hotel room and he was like poking fun at himself 279 00:12:02,464 --> 00:12:04,944 Speaker 2: and saying like, that's the Brooklyn Bridge. It's named after me, 280 00:12:05,024 --> 00:12:06,584 Speaker 2: and like text comes up and says that is not 281 00:12:06,624 --> 00:12:09,664 Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Bridge. And when I saw that, like it's 282 00:12:09,704 --> 00:12:11,584 Speaker 2: so indeed him to me because I'm like, oh he's 283 00:12:11,584 --> 00:12:14,144 Speaker 2: in on the joke. You get said like that's so smart. 284 00:12:14,424 --> 00:12:16,624 Speaker 2: And then later on when he was interviewed about it, 285 00:12:16,864 --> 00:12:18,944 Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, I didn't really understand it, Like 286 00:12:18,944 --> 00:12:20,544 Speaker 2: I didn't think people would find it funny because like 287 00:12:20,624 --> 00:12:22,064 Speaker 2: what's the joke? And I was like, oh, no, you 288 00:12:22,104 --> 00:12:24,504 Speaker 2: didn't get it I I was rooting for you. I 289 00:12:24,584 --> 00:12:26,904 Speaker 2: thought you were in on the joke, but you weren't. 290 00:12:26,984 --> 00:12:29,504 Speaker 1: This is what this is what Reagar needed to do. Yeah, 291 00:12:29,664 --> 00:12:32,224 Speaker 1: the whole little limback. I know it's a bit of 292 00:12:32,304 --> 00:12:34,424 Speaker 1: those throwback, but like she should have leaned into it 293 00:12:34,504 --> 00:12:35,584 Speaker 1: rather than doubling down. 294 00:12:35,824 --> 00:12:37,424 Speaker 2: That's the thing. If you find the human then people 295 00:12:37,504 --> 00:12:39,344 Speaker 2: kind of lean in. All the comments under this and 296 00:12:39,424 --> 00:12:41,544 Speaker 2: obviously there's always nasty things about Haley be but but 297 00:12:41,544 --> 00:12:44,264 Speaker 2: all the comments under these video is like really funny, supportive, 298 00:12:44,304 --> 00:12:45,904 Speaker 2: like she's definitely done the right thing. And also it 299 00:12:45,984 --> 00:12:47,784 Speaker 2: just also made not that I ever dis liked her. 300 00:12:48,024 --> 00:12:49,744 Speaker 2: That's a weird thing to hate someone that you don't know, 301 00:12:49,984 --> 00:12:51,664 Speaker 2: but it did kind of endear her to me because 302 00:12:51,664 --> 00:12:53,344 Speaker 2: it just made her seem like, you know, I love 303 00:12:53,344 --> 00:12:54,344 Speaker 2: someone who's in on the joke. 304 00:12:55,784 --> 00:12:58,144 Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got more Hailey Beber off the back 305 00:12:58,184 --> 00:13:00,824 Speaker 1: of the video. We've also got the article that was 306 00:13:00,864 --> 00:13:05,344 Speaker 1: written with Vogue. Yes, now obviously she's got her full spread. 307 00:13:05,464 --> 00:13:08,384 Speaker 1: There's a full, you know, in depth article with journalists, 308 00:13:08,824 --> 00:13:11,264 Speaker 1: and I think the sort of key takeaways that I 309 00:13:11,304 --> 00:13:14,864 Speaker 1: got from this article were it was really positive and 310 00:13:14,904 --> 00:13:18,424 Speaker 1: it was really trying to humanize and create this amount 311 00:13:18,424 --> 00:13:21,904 Speaker 1: of authenticity around her. So you know, basically she's talking 312 00:13:21,944 --> 00:13:24,784 Speaker 1: a lot about road So her skin care line and 313 00:13:24,904 --> 00:13:27,504 Speaker 1: where that comes from, and how it has roots back 314 00:13:27,544 --> 00:13:30,424 Speaker 1: to how her mother was always into really like into skincare, 315 00:13:30,984 --> 00:13:35,104 Speaker 1: into making her you know, natural look beautiful, and you know, 316 00:13:35,184 --> 00:13:39,504 Speaker 1: there is massive lines for this brand, So it talks 317 00:13:39,504 --> 00:13:42,144 Speaker 1: a little bit about that. The thing that really caught 318 00:13:42,264 --> 00:13:45,904 Speaker 1: me was her talking about the birth of her son Jack. 319 00:13:46,304 --> 00:13:46,544 Speaker 2: Yeah. 320 00:13:46,624 --> 00:13:49,064 Speaker 1: And I think it's really easy for I kind of 321 00:13:49,104 --> 00:13:52,424 Speaker 1: forgot that she had a baby. I think a lot 322 00:13:52,464 --> 00:13:54,664 Speaker 1: of people do, just because they do like photos with 323 00:13:54,744 --> 00:13:56,664 Speaker 1: him every soft and but they don't ely you show 324 00:13:56,704 --> 00:13:58,944 Speaker 1: his face. He's not like out and about, like on 325 00:13:58,984 --> 00:14:00,904 Speaker 1: the streets and when they're getting papped. They don't sort 326 00:14:00,904 --> 00:14:02,744 Speaker 1: of bringing him up in too many interviews. So he 327 00:14:02,824 --> 00:14:05,144 Speaker 1: has been like a little a little secret enigma that 328 00:14:05,144 --> 00:14:07,344 Speaker 1: little Jack Blues Beber. Yeah, And do you know what, 329 00:14:07,424 --> 00:14:09,544 Speaker 1: I actually have a lot of respect for that, because 330 00:14:10,144 --> 00:14:13,664 Speaker 1: you know, we know that they're sort of overexposing children 331 00:14:13,704 --> 00:14:16,184 Speaker 1: at a young age is not good for them, and 332 00:14:16,224 --> 00:14:18,024 Speaker 1: so I do respect them. And she actually says in 333 00:14:18,064 --> 00:14:21,264 Speaker 1: the article that she's purposely sort of kept him out. 334 00:14:21,904 --> 00:14:24,304 Speaker 1: They don't really kind of leave the little gated community 335 00:14:24,424 --> 00:14:28,344 Speaker 1: in LA with him. But she actually talks about her 336 00:14:28,344 --> 00:14:31,384 Speaker 1: birth story now as the host of Diary of a Birth. Yeah, 337 00:14:31,384 --> 00:14:35,504 Speaker 1: I wanted to also Mama Maa. She talks a little 338 00:14:35,504 --> 00:14:38,504 Speaker 1: bit about the birth of her son Jack and you 339 00:14:38,504 --> 00:14:41,464 Speaker 1: know how it was actually quite a traumatic experience for her. 340 00:14:42,024 --> 00:14:44,624 Speaker 1: So she said that she did all of this work, 341 00:14:44,744 --> 00:14:48,344 Speaker 1: She went to hypno birthings, she did classes. She was like, 342 00:14:48,384 --> 00:14:50,304 Speaker 1: I felt like I was so ready. But in the 343 00:14:50,304 --> 00:14:53,704 Speaker 1: classic way that anyone who has given birth knows, things 344 00:14:53,744 --> 00:14:57,104 Speaker 1: don't always go to plan. Unfortunately, she started leaking and 345 00:14:57,264 --> 00:14:59,344 Speaker 1: neototic fluid in thirty nine weeks and she had to 346 00:14:59,344 --> 00:15:02,824 Speaker 1: be induced and she says that shit was so crazy. 347 00:15:02,904 --> 00:15:04,904 Speaker 1: That was not fun. They broke my water and went 348 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:08,144 Speaker 1: into labor, she said, eighteen hours start to finish. Noo 349 00:15:08,184 --> 00:15:11,384 Speaker 1: phi Jural gives birth to him. Then she has a 350 00:15:11,424 --> 00:15:15,184 Speaker 1: clotting disorder. Her blood won't clot she starts losing leaders 351 00:15:15,184 --> 00:15:18,304 Speaker 1: of blood. They have to take the baby away. They're 352 00:15:18,304 --> 00:15:20,264 Speaker 1: trying to do all these different things to try and 353 00:15:20,264 --> 00:15:24,304 Speaker 1: stop the bleeding. So quite a traumatic experience for her, 354 00:15:24,384 --> 00:15:28,784 Speaker 1: which she shares and she hasn't shared that before. What 355 00:15:28,864 --> 00:15:31,264 Speaker 1: I like about this is that it's kind of like 356 00:15:31,304 --> 00:15:35,304 Speaker 1: those old Her articles celebrities, they're just like us. But again, 357 00:15:35,584 --> 00:15:38,264 Speaker 1: after hosting Diary of a Birth for so long, I 358 00:15:38,344 --> 00:15:41,064 Speaker 1: hear these stories all the time. No matter what, no 359 00:15:41,104 --> 00:15:44,304 Speaker 1: matter how prepared you are, there still are things that 360 00:15:44,504 --> 00:15:49,104 Speaker 1: can go wrong and can be really difficult for new mums. 361 00:15:49,584 --> 00:15:52,104 Speaker 1: And she also talked a lot about her post partner 362 00:15:52,184 --> 00:15:55,584 Speaker 1: experience and for me, seeing her in this spread where 363 00:15:55,624 --> 00:16:01,144 Speaker 1: she looks phenomenal like body is like amazing. What I 364 00:16:01,304 --> 00:16:03,144 Speaker 1: do like is she kind of talks a little bit 365 00:16:03,144 --> 00:16:07,864 Speaker 1: about the pressure that she put on herself to bounce 366 00:16:07,944 --> 00:16:10,144 Speaker 1: back and how she kept sort of self talking going, 367 00:16:10,384 --> 00:16:11,984 Speaker 1: you've just had a baby. You've just had a baby. 368 00:16:12,024 --> 00:16:14,984 Speaker 1: You've just had a baby. But I can only imagine 369 00:16:15,384 --> 00:16:17,664 Speaker 1: and even me after I had my kids, I was like, 370 00:16:17,704 --> 00:16:21,184 Speaker 1: I need to be back to where I was. So 371 00:16:21,304 --> 00:16:25,144 Speaker 1: to hear someone talk about that who is really heavily 372 00:16:25,144 --> 00:16:28,184 Speaker 1: in the popyic eye and saying that she felt a 373 00:16:28,224 --> 00:16:30,384 Speaker 1: lot of pressure. The other thing is she still does 374 00:16:30,384 --> 00:16:31,904 Speaker 1: look absolutely stunning and gordeous. 375 00:16:32,264 --> 00:16:34,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the thing I think I've 376 00:16:34,584 --> 00:16:37,144 Speaker 2: seen a lot of people share that particular quote around 377 00:16:37,144 --> 00:16:39,584 Speaker 2: how they are the fan at reassuring or like unbelievable 378 00:16:39,624 --> 00:16:41,544 Speaker 2: that someone who is kind of seen as one of 379 00:16:41,544 --> 00:16:43,224 Speaker 2: the most beautiful women in the world. It's so funny. 380 00:16:43,224 --> 00:16:45,144 Speaker 2: That's how the article starts off, Like the journalist is 381 00:16:45,184 --> 00:16:48,264 Speaker 2: talking about these lines that are crawling around street corners, 382 00:16:48,304 --> 00:16:51,544 Speaker 2: people lining up to get road products to see Hailey Bebert. 383 00:16:51,824 --> 00:16:54,224 Speaker 2: They've all like they're dressed exactly like her, They've got 384 00:16:54,264 --> 00:16:56,784 Speaker 2: their hair done like her, They've painted little freckles on 385 00:16:56,784 --> 00:16:59,544 Speaker 2: their faces to look like her. The hold she has 386 00:16:59,584 --> 00:17:02,184 Speaker 2: on culture, which I also think because this is whole 387 00:17:02,184 --> 00:17:04,224 Speaker 2: thing of like who deserves a VAD cover kind of thing. 388 00:17:04,264 --> 00:17:05,704 Speaker 2: A lot of the time it's meant to be like 389 00:17:06,104 --> 00:17:08,424 Speaker 2: taste makers, people who have changed the game, people have 390 00:17:08,544 --> 00:17:11,264 Speaker 2: at a certain level of fame, And when Hailey beebe 391 00:17:11,304 --> 00:17:13,104 Speaker 2: was on the cover, there was a lot of kind 392 00:17:13,144 --> 00:17:15,384 Speaker 2: of like behind the scenes people rolling their eyes and 393 00:17:15,424 --> 00:17:17,344 Speaker 2: being like, oh, she's just a pretty nepo baby who 394 00:17:17,384 --> 00:17:19,544 Speaker 2: walks around. So I thought it was like very telling 395 00:17:19,584 --> 00:17:22,424 Speaker 2: that they started the article saying millions of women across 396 00:17:22,464 --> 00:17:24,984 Speaker 2: the world have changed their appearance, their life, how they 397 00:17:24,984 --> 00:17:28,064 Speaker 2: post how they talk to be like her, Yeah, which 398 00:17:28,104 --> 00:17:30,224 Speaker 2: is crazy. And then I also havent it very vulnerable 399 00:17:30,264 --> 00:17:31,904 Speaker 2: for her to share a birth story because so often 400 00:17:31,904 --> 00:17:34,624 Speaker 2: you do hear and I guess everyone's experience is different, 401 00:17:34,624 --> 00:17:36,344 Speaker 2: but so often you do hear these like celebrity birth 402 00:17:36,384 --> 00:17:38,544 Speaker 2: stories and like they're like, I was just one with 403 00:17:38,584 --> 00:17:41,264 Speaker 2: the pain. I fell into it. My body was a temple, 404 00:17:41,304 --> 00:17:43,104 Speaker 2: and like maybe they all did, Like you hear all 405 00:17:43,144 --> 00:17:44,984 Speaker 2: these different birth stories where some people have a really 406 00:17:44,984 --> 00:17:48,224 Speaker 2: traumatic time and some people have a lovely experience and stuff. 407 00:17:48,224 --> 00:17:50,384 Speaker 2: But I thought it was very like, very honest of 408 00:17:50,424 --> 00:17:52,824 Speaker 2: her to say, like that was awful, it was really hard, 409 00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:55,504 Speaker 2: it was really scary. I didn't Basically, She's like, I 410 00:17:55,544 --> 00:17:56,184 Speaker 2: didn't like it. 411 00:17:56,344 --> 00:17:58,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And do you know, I think the 412 00:17:58,304 --> 00:18:00,664 Speaker 1: postpartum thing is the one that I really want to touch. 413 00:18:00,784 --> 00:18:02,984 Speaker 1: So being postpartum is the most sensitive time I've ever 414 00:18:03,024 --> 00:18:05,824 Speaker 1: gone through in my life, and learning a new version 415 00:18:05,824 --> 00:18:09,424 Speaker 1: of myself is very difficult. Yeah, and that is probably 416 00:18:09,424 --> 00:18:12,544 Speaker 1: one of the most honest things I've seen. And she goes, 417 00:18:12,624 --> 00:18:15,504 Speaker 1: she goes and adds on to this that the pylon 418 00:18:16,224 --> 00:18:19,504 Speaker 1: from the media basically saying they're getting a divorce. 419 00:18:19,784 --> 00:18:21,864 Speaker 2: Everything's like it's a baby. 420 00:18:22,184 --> 00:18:24,704 Speaker 1: You know, this is crazy. She's losing it and all 421 00:18:24,744 --> 00:18:27,424 Speaker 1: of that. She said, it's such a mind fuck. I 422 00:18:27,424 --> 00:18:29,984 Speaker 1: cannot even begin to explain it. It's a crazy life 423 00:18:30,024 --> 00:18:32,744 Speaker 1: to live. And honestly, after reading that, I've had my 424 00:18:34,304 --> 00:18:38,504 Speaker 1: I've never been like a Hailey beaber Fangir love her style. 425 00:18:38,544 --> 00:18:42,304 Speaker 1: I think she's gorgeous. I have interviewed her a few times. 426 00:18:42,464 --> 00:18:46,104 Speaker 1: I didn't find her super interesting to talk to. 427 00:18:46,384 --> 00:18:48,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a vad thing to see. 428 00:18:48,264 --> 00:18:52,344 Speaker 1: I also can acknowledge that people in her position would 429 00:18:52,344 --> 00:18:56,664 Speaker 1: become quite guarded when they are being interviewed by journalists. 430 00:18:56,904 --> 00:19:00,024 Speaker 2: But also she's famous more for a visual kind of take, 431 00:19:00,024 --> 00:19:01,784 Speaker 2: which I think is as we're saying, like people want 432 00:19:01,824 --> 00:19:03,544 Speaker 2: to look like her. Doesn't mean that she's not smart 433 00:19:03,624 --> 00:19:06,144 Speaker 2: or interesting, but she's not famous because of the way 434 00:19:06,184 --> 00:19:09,384 Speaker 2: she speaks or quote she says, or ideas that she likes. 435 00:19:09,664 --> 00:19:12,104 Speaker 2: It's more of like her an aesthetic thing, which is 436 00:19:12,104 --> 00:19:14,024 Speaker 2: still which is still fine. People will come famous for that. 437 00:19:14,144 --> 00:19:15,824 Speaker 2: But yeah, I've always wanted what to be like to 438 00:19:15,864 --> 00:19:17,664 Speaker 2: sit down and interview her. So it's interesting when you've 439 00:19:17,704 --> 00:19:19,504 Speaker 2: chatted to a present I did. 440 00:19:19,544 --> 00:19:21,984 Speaker 1: I look it was she came out for MC beauty 441 00:19:22,144 --> 00:19:24,384 Speaker 1: a few years ago. When we interviewed her on the carpet, 442 00:19:24,624 --> 00:19:27,304 Speaker 1: I did find her quite guarded, kind of a little bit. 443 00:19:27,624 --> 00:19:30,304 Speaker 1: I don't want to say pretentious, because I don't know 444 00:19:30,464 --> 00:19:34,704 Speaker 1: that it's fair again giving her the benefit of the doubt, 445 00:19:34,784 --> 00:19:37,744 Speaker 1: because I often try to give people the benefit out, 446 00:19:37,824 --> 00:19:40,184 Speaker 1: especially if it's the first time I've interviewed them. But 447 00:19:40,264 --> 00:19:42,464 Speaker 1: I did find her quite sort of pretentious and guarded. 448 00:19:42,544 --> 00:19:46,184 Speaker 1: But this is going on eight years ago, so obviously her. 449 00:19:46,024 --> 00:19:48,344 Speaker 2: Life is she might settled into. 450 00:19:48,704 --> 00:19:51,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yes, it's kind of nice to hear, you know, 451 00:19:51,704 --> 00:19:54,544 Speaker 1: her life on being a mum and being indoors. But 452 00:19:54,624 --> 00:19:56,104 Speaker 1: do you know what it is really funny is that, 453 00:19:56,424 --> 00:19:58,584 Speaker 1: you know we're talking about this article she's gone into. 454 00:19:58,744 --> 00:20:01,744 Speaker 1: How you know that she loves her home life. It's 455 00:20:01,784 --> 00:20:04,624 Speaker 1: all very romantic, it's kind of given like Megan Marcle, 456 00:20:04,664 --> 00:20:08,024 Speaker 1: It's all quite like, it's very curated. It's just clearly 457 00:20:08,144 --> 00:20:12,224 Speaker 1: a positive story by Vogue, something that was agreed upon beforehand. 458 00:20:12,424 --> 00:20:14,824 Speaker 1: This is going to be a positive story then all 459 00:20:14,984 --> 00:20:16,704 Speaker 1: Justin Bieber sticks his foot in his mouth. 460 00:20:16,784 --> 00:20:18,584 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And this is the thing is this is 461 00:20:18,664 --> 00:20:20,664 Speaker 2: so at odds with how she paints him in the article. 462 00:20:20,704 --> 00:20:22,864 Speaker 2: She's like, he's such a hands on dad, Like we're 463 00:20:22,864 --> 00:20:24,704 Speaker 2: so happy, we just want to stay in La. We 464 00:20:24,784 --> 00:20:27,424 Speaker 2: love it here. And the end of the article is 465 00:20:27,464 --> 00:20:29,984 Speaker 2: like basically she's talking about how all these women, like 466 00:20:30,024 --> 00:20:32,544 Speaker 2: women in particular she's saying, are just like praying for 467 00:20:32,584 --> 00:20:34,744 Speaker 2: her downfall. That keeps saying that she and Justin are 468 00:20:34,784 --> 00:20:36,704 Speaker 2: going to break up, and now she's had a baby, 469 00:20:36,784 --> 00:20:39,144 Speaker 2: so she's like, well, suck that, haters, and it says like, 470 00:20:39,184 --> 00:20:41,624 Speaker 2: if you just read the article, it just comes across 471 00:20:41,624 --> 00:20:44,144 Speaker 2: that she and Justin Bieber have this fairytale marriage and 472 00:20:44,184 --> 00:20:47,544 Speaker 2: it's so lovely, which Justin very quickly undid I'm so 473 00:20:47,584 --> 00:20:49,544 Speaker 2: angry at this man. I don't usually have big thoughts 474 00:20:49,584 --> 00:20:51,304 Speaker 2: on Justin Bieber the same way I never have big 475 00:20:51,344 --> 00:20:54,224 Speaker 2: thoughts on Hailey Bieber. But this is just what was 476 00:20:54,264 --> 00:20:57,584 Speaker 2: he thinking. Because the day the Vogue article came out 477 00:20:57,664 --> 00:21:00,144 Speaker 2: and everywhere you look, everyone's like, hey, looks amazing. She 478 00:21:00,224 --> 00:21:02,584 Speaker 2: shared such a beautiful story. Her video is so funny. 479 00:21:02,624 --> 00:21:04,584 Speaker 2: She's so funny, like she's on a high of her 480 00:21:04,664 --> 00:21:07,024 Speaker 2: career that she has not hit before, Like this is 481 00:21:07,024 --> 00:21:09,904 Speaker 2: her moment, and Justin Bieber posts the cover to his 482 00:21:09,984 --> 00:21:12,904 Speaker 2: Instagram with millions and millions of followers. He's one of 483 00:21:12,944 --> 00:21:15,664 Speaker 2: the most followed people in the world on Instagram. And 484 00:21:15,704 --> 00:21:19,424 Speaker 2: he posts the cover and underneath he writes, YO, this 485 00:21:19,464 --> 00:21:21,544 Speaker 2: reminds me of when Haley and I got into a 486 00:21:21,624 --> 00:21:24,384 Speaker 2: huge fight. I told Hale's that she would never be 487 00:21:24,424 --> 00:21:27,304 Speaker 2: on the cover of Vogue. Yikes, I know, so mean. 488 00:21:27,744 --> 00:21:29,144 Speaker 2: He then went on to say that he had felt 489 00:21:29,224 --> 00:21:33,104 Speaker 2: really disrespected during a fight and ever since he's been 490 00:21:33,144 --> 00:21:34,944 Speaker 2: like dealing with it. And then he said, I think 491 00:21:34,944 --> 00:21:37,464 Speaker 2: as we're mature, we realize that we're not helping anyone 492 00:21:37,504 --> 00:21:40,704 Speaker 2: by getting even We're honestly just prolonging what we really want, 493 00:21:40,744 --> 00:21:45,144 Speaker 2: which is intimacy and connection. What And all of a sudden, 494 00:21:45,184 --> 00:21:47,544 Speaker 2: all the comments under it were like, basically, do this 495 00:21:47,624 --> 00:21:49,704 Speaker 2: is so awful? Like this is such an awful thing 496 00:21:49,744 --> 00:21:52,184 Speaker 2: to say your wife. Imagine bringing up a time where 497 00:21:52,224 --> 00:21:53,824 Speaker 2: you had a fight and you told her you would 498 00:21:53,864 --> 00:21:54,824 Speaker 2: never get on Vogue. Yeah. 499 00:21:54,824 --> 00:21:58,144 Speaker 1: It Now it's got that kind of like very demeaning, 500 00:21:58,304 --> 00:22:02,144 Speaker 1: almost like emotionally abusing tone to it, you know, sinking 501 00:22:02,184 --> 00:22:04,264 Speaker 1: to that level being like you would never be on 502 00:22:04,304 --> 00:22:06,424 Speaker 1: the cover of Vogue. You're not good enough for that. 503 00:22:06,904 --> 00:22:08,984 Speaker 1: He changed the caption pretty damn quickly, though. 504 00:22:08,864 --> 00:22:10,784 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, exactly, because I think he must have look 505 00:22:10,824 --> 00:22:13,464 Speaker 2: and again like he's obviously doing his own social media 506 00:22:13,504 --> 00:22:15,824 Speaker 2: because if anyone was, which we kind of always know 507 00:22:15,864 --> 00:22:17,864 Speaker 2: because he posts a lot of weird stuff, But if 508 00:22:17,944 --> 00:22:20,504 Speaker 2: anyone had been helping him at assistant anything, I'm sure 509 00:22:20,504 --> 00:22:22,384 Speaker 2: they would have been, like, unless they were terrified of him, 510 00:22:22,544 --> 00:22:24,064 Speaker 2: would be like, hey, are you sure you want to 511 00:22:24,064 --> 00:22:25,744 Speaker 2: post that you don't want to say like congrats, I 512 00:22:25,784 --> 00:22:28,024 Speaker 2: love you, or just like a love heart emoji anything, 513 00:22:28,104 --> 00:22:30,704 Speaker 2: But I once told you would never do this and 514 00:22:30,744 --> 00:22:33,584 Speaker 2: then make it also about yourself and your emotional growth 515 00:22:33,584 --> 00:22:35,824 Speaker 2: and the things that you've done wrong, and but never 516 00:22:35,864 --> 00:22:37,584 Speaker 2: bring it back around to be like being proud or 517 00:22:37,624 --> 00:22:40,184 Speaker 2: anything like that. So the comments would quickly feel with 518 00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:42,984 Speaker 2: people saying, this is awful, this is disgusting, poor Hayley. 519 00:22:43,304 --> 00:22:45,144 Speaker 2: And then he quickly changed it to a few emojis, 520 00:22:45,184 --> 00:22:47,864 Speaker 2: But obviously the damage was done because that was screenshot. 521 00:22:47,944 --> 00:22:50,464 Speaker 2: It's gone everywhere. Everyone's talking about it, and now instead 522 00:22:50,464 --> 00:22:52,624 Speaker 2: of having like the conversation that we just had about 523 00:22:52,664 --> 00:22:55,064 Speaker 2: like how vulnerable and interesting it was, and all these 524 00:22:55,064 --> 00:22:58,904 Speaker 2: different layers to this big article. All most people are 525 00:22:58,944 --> 00:23:02,264 Speaker 2: talking about right now is how terribly Justin Bieber treats 526 00:23:02,264 --> 00:23:04,584 Speaker 2: his wife, which is in just one caption he undid 527 00:23:04,704 --> 00:23:06,064 Speaker 2: everything she did in that article. 528 00:23:06,384 --> 00:23:08,704 Speaker 1: I know she's going to be given him a clip 529 00:23:08,704 --> 00:23:09,464 Speaker 1: across these. 530 00:23:09,544 --> 00:23:12,544 Speaker 2: I can just imagine upstairs feeding Jack Blues. She's looked 531 00:23:12,584 --> 00:23:14,784 Speaker 2: on her phone and she's seeing everyone go like, this 532 00:23:14,824 --> 00:23:16,824 Speaker 2: is amazing, this is so beautiful. And then she's like, 533 00:23:16,904 --> 00:23:19,024 Speaker 2: she's probably got alerts on her phone. Justin Bieber has posted, 534 00:23:19,024 --> 00:23:20,824 Speaker 2: and she's like, oh my god, it's so sweet. My husband, 535 00:23:20,824 --> 00:23:23,024 Speaker 2: who's downstairs on the couch just posted my Vogue cover. 536 00:23:23,664 --> 00:23:26,064 Speaker 2: She clicks into it, and I just really hope she 537 00:23:26,104 --> 00:23:27,904 Speaker 2: went downstairs and like threw a VARs at him or 538 00:23:27,944 --> 00:23:28,664 Speaker 2: something like that. 539 00:23:31,704 --> 00:23:34,704 Speaker 1: But listen, actually the article really did endear me to her. 540 00:23:34,784 --> 00:23:38,784 Speaker 1: She looks beautiful in the images. But just a tease, mate, 541 00:23:38,944 --> 00:23:41,864 Speaker 1: just just maybe think before type it. 542 00:23:41,944 --> 00:23:44,024 Speaker 2: But even if you had ever told your wife, like 543 00:23:44,024 --> 00:23:45,784 Speaker 2: I know a couple in the heat of the moment 544 00:23:45,864 --> 00:23:48,224 Speaker 2: say stuff to each other, but saying that you would 545 00:23:48,264 --> 00:23:50,424 Speaker 2: never be successful enough to have your own Vogue cover, 546 00:23:50,544 --> 00:23:52,624 Speaker 2: which is obviously something she's wanted for a long time, 547 00:23:52,664 --> 00:23:54,744 Speaker 2: and it's such a deeply cutting You know, someone who 548 00:23:54,744 --> 00:23:56,544 Speaker 2: knows you really well can cut the deepest, so he 549 00:23:56,624 --> 00:23:58,224 Speaker 2: must have known that would hurt her the most. 550 00:23:58,304 --> 00:23:59,944 Speaker 1: You know what, there are certain lines, I think in 551 00:23:59,944 --> 00:24:03,744 Speaker 1: a relationship, there are certain lines that you never ever cross, 552 00:24:04,544 --> 00:24:07,704 Speaker 1: and for me, those sorts of like really deep cutting ones. 553 00:24:08,304 --> 00:24:09,664 Speaker 1: You can't really come back from. 554 00:24:09,504 --> 00:24:11,664 Speaker 2: That, exactly. You always have that in your head that 555 00:24:11,744 --> 00:24:14,104 Speaker 2: this like is she's the way you think, Yeah, like 556 00:24:14,104 --> 00:24:16,944 Speaker 2: like my husband never thought I deserved this kind of thing. 557 00:24:16,944 --> 00:24:18,864 Speaker 2: It's just, yeah, it is hard because obviously so much 558 00:24:18,864 --> 00:24:21,864 Speaker 2: of that article was curated to make all the rumors 559 00:24:21,864 --> 00:24:24,104 Speaker 2: about their marriage and relationship kind of go away, and 560 00:24:24,184 --> 00:24:26,144 Speaker 2: it does do that in a way, and then this 561 00:24:26,224 --> 00:24:28,184 Speaker 2: kind of just brings it all to the forefront. So 562 00:24:28,904 --> 00:24:29,144 Speaker 2: it is. 563 00:24:29,224 --> 00:24:30,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is really show many people in the comments 564 00:24:30,864 --> 00:24:32,544 Speaker 1: to go and be like, it's not that deep, guys, 565 00:24:32,864 --> 00:24:33,624 Speaker 1: it's not that deep. 566 00:24:33,864 --> 00:24:35,544 Speaker 2: I do think it is. I don't know why. I'm 567 00:24:35,544 --> 00:24:38,024 Speaker 2: like so personally, I'm personally offended for Haley Baby that 568 00:24:38,104 --> 00:24:40,344 Speaker 2: someone will do this, because it's like the person who's 569 00:24:40,344 --> 00:24:42,784 Speaker 2: supposed to love you and support you the most ruining 570 00:24:42,824 --> 00:24:45,424 Speaker 2: your big moment through like a selfish act. I think 571 00:24:45,424 --> 00:24:46,824 Speaker 2: there's a lot of things you can come back from, 572 00:24:46,864 --> 00:24:48,664 Speaker 2: Like I don't think they'll get divorced. I think they're fine. 573 00:24:48,704 --> 00:24:50,704 Speaker 2: I don't think she tricked him into marriage or anything 574 00:24:50,744 --> 00:24:53,824 Speaker 2: like that. But I'm just saying, Dustin Bieber, you're on notice. 575 00:24:55,024 --> 00:24:57,224 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Spill today. Don't forget to 576 00:24:57,264 --> 00:24:59,864 Speaker 1: follow this spill on TikTok. The Spill is produced by 577 00:24:59,904 --> 00:25:04,144 Speaker 1: Georgie Page and Manisia Ishwaran and sound production by Scott Stroak. 578 00:25:04,464 --> 00:25:06,544 Speaker 1: We'll see you back here on your podcast feed at 579 00:25:06,584 --> 00:25:07,464 Speaker 1: freepy and tomorrow. 580 00:25:07,704 --> 00:25:11,224 Speaker 2: Bye bye, Hella callap