1 00:00:10,265 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,465 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,545 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded. 4 00:00:19,065 --> 00:00:22,105 Speaker 1: On Makeup is My Therapy. 5 00:00:22,305 --> 00:00:29,505 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it. Hello, 6 00:00:29,705 --> 00:00:33,025 Speaker 2: and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for your Face. 7 00:00:33,145 --> 00:00:37,465 Speaker 2: I'm Kelly mccaren and welcome to the formula. Every week 8 00:00:37,585 --> 00:00:40,265 Speaker 2: I get to sit down with celebs and some of 9 00:00:40,305 --> 00:00:42,625 Speaker 2: the biggest names in beauty and take a look into 10 00:00:42,665 --> 00:00:46,145 Speaker 2: their beauty routine, what products they're using and why, and 11 00:00:46,185 --> 00:00:49,585 Speaker 2: get to the nitty gritty of all things makeup, skincare, 12 00:00:49,945 --> 00:00:52,105 Speaker 2: and in today's case, treatments. 13 00:00:52,865 --> 00:00:55,265 Speaker 1: Now you may already know this about me, but I. 14 00:00:55,265 --> 00:00:58,065 Speaker 2: Do love a good skin treatment because there's only so 15 00:00:58,265 --> 00:01:01,025 Speaker 2: much skincare can do on its own. We talked about 16 00:01:01,025 --> 00:01:04,665 Speaker 2: this in the random day that I just interviewed myself. 17 00:01:04,865 --> 00:01:07,265 Speaker 2: I love treatments because I think that skincare can only 18 00:01:07,265 --> 00:01:09,825 Speaker 2: do so much. But obviously they are a huge luxury. 19 00:01:10,145 --> 00:01:13,145 Speaker 2: But today we are diving into the world of ipl 20 00:01:13,225 --> 00:01:17,065 Speaker 2: and laser treatments with the Skin Wizard Sarah Hudson. Sarah 21 00:01:17,065 --> 00:01:20,345 Speaker 2: is an aesthetic practitioner with over twenty five years of experience, 22 00:01:20,665 --> 00:01:23,545 Speaker 2: and she's a go to expert for everything from IPL 23 00:01:23,625 --> 00:01:27,385 Speaker 2: to medical grade lasers and LED therapies, and she's advised 24 00:01:27,465 --> 00:01:31,385 Speaker 2: some of the country's top dermatologists and plastic surgeons. What 25 00:01:31,425 --> 00:01:33,985 Speaker 2: I absolutely love about Sarah is that despite all of 26 00:01:33,985 --> 00:01:37,825 Speaker 2: her fancy credentials, she's built her reputation on actually listening 27 00:01:37,825 --> 00:01:40,425 Speaker 2: to her clients, which you will hear as well when 28 00:01:40,465 --> 00:01:42,385 Speaker 2: she talks a little bit about the skincare line that 29 00:01:42,425 --> 00:01:45,985 Speaker 2: she's launching, like she's not even selling it to just everyone, yeah, 30 00:01:46,025 --> 00:01:49,345 Speaker 2: which I think is really cool, and creating personalized treatment 31 00:01:49,385 --> 00:01:49,865 Speaker 2: plans that. 32 00:01:49,825 --> 00:01:50,905 Speaker 1: Give real results. 33 00:01:51,185 --> 00:01:53,505 Speaker 2: She has some real nuggets here that I think that 34 00:01:53,585 --> 00:01:55,985 Speaker 2: you guys, actually, I know that you're gonna love you are. 35 00:01:56,065 --> 00:01:59,305 Speaker 3: Such beautiful skill. But how. 36 00:02:01,225 --> 00:02:02,905 Speaker 1: Sarah, Welcome to you, beauty. 37 00:02:03,025 --> 00:02:06,225 Speaker 2: I'm so excited that you're here sitting with me and 38 00:02:06,265 --> 00:02:10,025 Speaker 2: I can talk to you about all things IPL and laser. 39 00:02:10,145 --> 00:02:14,985 Speaker 2: So for anyone listening who might be complete newbies to newbubs, 40 00:02:15,185 --> 00:02:18,345 Speaker 2: it's quite a little funny little advanced skin treatment world. 41 00:02:19,185 --> 00:02:21,345 Speaker 2: I sort of know, like I've had a bunch of 42 00:02:21,345 --> 00:02:23,225 Speaker 2: different things done to a face, But can you please 43 00:02:23,265 --> 00:02:26,465 Speaker 2: give us like the no Phrill's explanation as if you're 44 00:02:26,505 --> 00:02:29,385 Speaker 2: explaining to someone that had never heard of it before, 45 00:02:29,985 --> 00:02:33,625 Speaker 2: what is IPL and laser treatments, Like, what are they? 46 00:02:33,945 --> 00:02:38,385 Speaker 4: So let's start with IPL. IPL stands for intense pulsed light. 47 00:02:38,705 --> 00:02:42,985 Speaker 4: So it's a pulsing light that is attracted again like 48 00:02:43,145 --> 00:02:47,625 Speaker 4: a flash lamp, okay, And it is attracted to pigment 49 00:02:47,905 --> 00:02:51,545 Speaker 4: within the skin, so that pigment might be freckles or 50 00:02:51,585 --> 00:02:53,705 Speaker 4: pigmentation or age. 51 00:02:53,465 --> 00:02:55,585 Speaker 3: Spots, some damage. 52 00:02:56,145 --> 00:02:58,665 Speaker 4: But it's also attracted to the color of your hair, 53 00:02:58,745 --> 00:03:01,425 Speaker 4: so the pigment of your hair as well. So IPL 54 00:03:01,665 --> 00:03:05,385 Speaker 4: is traditionally used for treating the reds and browns in 55 00:03:05,425 --> 00:03:08,785 Speaker 4: the skin, so the pigment in the skin hair removal 56 00:03:08,945 --> 00:03:13,385 Speaker 4: as well. But it's really good for treating very superficial 57 00:03:13,505 --> 00:03:16,865 Speaker 4: vascular and also redness. So that's why I like to 58 00:03:16,905 --> 00:03:19,785 Speaker 4: say it's the treatment for reds and browns, and it 59 00:03:19,945 --> 00:03:24,265 Speaker 4: really clarifies the surface of the skin where laser is 60 00:03:24,465 --> 00:03:27,585 Speaker 4: a straight beam. So if you think about a laser beam, 61 00:03:27,905 --> 00:03:31,345 Speaker 4: it goes deep into the skin. It heats the collagen 62 00:03:31,545 --> 00:03:34,345 Speaker 4: within the skin, and that's what gives you that beautiful 63 00:03:34,625 --> 00:03:38,105 Speaker 4: rejuvenated look when you're actually having a laser treatment done. 64 00:03:38,225 --> 00:03:42,905 Speaker 4: So traditionally lasers, because they penetrate deeper into the skin, 65 00:03:43,065 --> 00:03:46,105 Speaker 4: are for all skin types, where when you have a 66 00:03:46,105 --> 00:03:49,745 Speaker 4: look at an IPL, it's really best for your light 67 00:03:49,905 --> 00:03:54,345 Speaker 4: to medium skin types and darker hair though correct yes, 68 00:03:54,465 --> 00:03:59,585 Speaker 4: darker hair. But some IPL treatments, depending on the laser 69 00:03:59,865 --> 00:04:02,665 Speaker 4: that you're having done, can treat fairer hair, but not 70 00:04:02,865 --> 00:04:05,105 Speaker 4: gray hair, red hair, or blonde hair. 71 00:04:05,505 --> 00:04:08,825 Speaker 2: Okay, because I ye know, years ago when IPL first 72 00:04:08,865 --> 00:04:11,545 Speaker 2: started to get really popular, I went and I was 73 00:04:11,545 --> 00:04:14,545 Speaker 2: sent home quite yeactly, and I don't actually think my 74 00:04:14,585 --> 00:04:15,185 Speaker 2: hair is that light. 75 00:04:15,265 --> 00:04:19,385 Speaker 1: But you know, with too light for IPL. Let's talk pain. 76 00:04:20,225 --> 00:04:22,425 Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about both of them on 77 00:04:22,465 --> 00:04:25,705 Speaker 2: a scale of gentle tickle too. Oh my dear lord, 78 00:04:26,345 --> 00:04:29,945 Speaker 2: where do both of these treatments sit. IPL I think 79 00:04:30,385 --> 00:04:33,625 Speaker 2: is more painful, really like looks like a rubber band. 80 00:04:33,905 --> 00:04:36,105 Speaker 2: It is like being flicked with a rubber band. I 81 00:04:36,145 --> 00:04:39,345 Speaker 2: think using a squeeze ball when you're having an IPL 82 00:04:39,425 --> 00:04:43,105 Speaker 2: treatment done is an absolute must, whether that be for 83 00:04:43,185 --> 00:04:48,025 Speaker 2: pigment removal or hair removal, but definitely not a little tickle. 84 00:04:48,145 --> 00:04:50,225 Speaker 1: But it's also quite quick, correct it. 85 00:04:50,185 --> 00:04:53,785 Speaker 4: Can be, but it depends on the practitioner, and it 86 00:04:53,825 --> 00:04:57,665 Speaker 4: depends on what you're treating. So hair obviously is faster, 87 00:04:57,985 --> 00:05:01,345 Speaker 4: but if you're treating something like pigmentation, you want someone 88 00:05:01,385 --> 00:05:05,465 Speaker 4: to go slowly with care so they're not overlapping the treatments, 89 00:05:05,785 --> 00:05:09,305 Speaker 4: but they're also not leaving gaps between the treatment either. 90 00:05:09,425 --> 00:05:13,065 Speaker 4: So making sure that the practitioner or the clinician is 91 00:05:13,785 --> 00:05:16,785 Speaker 4: doing a very structured treatment is really key in getting 92 00:05:16,825 --> 00:05:17,585 Speaker 4: the best results. 93 00:05:17,985 --> 00:05:22,425 Speaker 2: With laser or IPL is like a numbing cream option 94 00:05:22,585 --> 00:05:22,825 Speaker 2: or no. 95 00:05:23,105 --> 00:05:26,985 Speaker 4: I personally wouldn't ever recommend a numbing cream, and the 96 00:05:27,025 --> 00:05:29,985 Speaker 4: reason for that is because if there's any ingredients left 97 00:05:30,065 --> 00:05:33,265 Speaker 4: on the surface of the skin, then the heat from 98 00:05:33,345 --> 00:05:36,385 Speaker 4: the laser or from the IPL could then react with 99 00:05:36,425 --> 00:05:39,545 Speaker 4: the numbing cream and that could cause an adverse reaction. 100 00:05:40,145 --> 00:05:43,065 Speaker 4: Needling is different because it's not heat based. 101 00:05:43,225 --> 00:05:46,225 Speaker 1: I think they still these days prefer to not have nothing. 102 00:05:46,105 --> 00:05:49,905 Speaker 4: Numbing exactly, and also there's very tight regulations around numbing 103 00:05:49,905 --> 00:05:53,345 Speaker 4: cream as well, so we only use it in clinic 104 00:05:53,625 --> 00:05:57,385 Speaker 4: for certain types of modalities, but never for IPL or laser. 105 00:05:57,625 --> 00:05:59,745 Speaker 2: So laser doesn't hurt that much though, so IPO, you 106 00:05:59,785 --> 00:06:02,265 Speaker 2: said it's like a robber band laser doesn't. 107 00:06:02,585 --> 00:06:05,225 Speaker 4: It depends on the type of laser that you're having done. 108 00:06:05,345 --> 00:06:09,145 Speaker 4: So in my clinic, we do a rejuvenating laser called 109 00:06:09,185 --> 00:06:13,345 Speaker 4: laser and that is like having you know, a facial 110 00:06:13,425 --> 00:06:17,665 Speaker 4: You can basically fall asleep. It's really beautiful. It's rejuvenating 111 00:06:17,745 --> 00:06:20,865 Speaker 4: for the surface of the skin. But there are more, deeper, 112 00:06:20,905 --> 00:06:25,185 Speaker 4: more ablative laser treatments where you know, a bit more painful. 113 00:06:25,305 --> 00:06:26,345 Speaker 4: Hang on to your seat. 114 00:06:26,625 --> 00:06:28,865 Speaker 1: So we've gone down a little bit of a rabbit hole. 115 00:06:28,905 --> 00:06:29,625 Speaker 1: On Instagram. 116 00:06:29,745 --> 00:06:33,225 Speaker 2: We've seen so many horror stories showing burns and discoloration 117 00:06:33,665 --> 00:06:37,185 Speaker 2: from these types of treatments. How common are these types 118 00:06:37,225 --> 00:06:39,945 Speaker 2: of reactions and what should we look for when choosing 119 00:06:39,985 --> 00:06:42,145 Speaker 2: someone to carry out these types of treatments. 120 00:06:42,265 --> 00:06:46,265 Speaker 4: Well, the market is very, very unregulated, and it also 121 00:06:46,345 --> 00:06:48,065 Speaker 4: changes from states to state. 122 00:06:48,425 --> 00:06:51,425 Speaker 2: So you're telling me, of air that literally anyone can 123 00:06:51,425 --> 00:06:53,865 Speaker 2: buy a machine and then to start shooting people with 124 00:06:53,905 --> 00:06:54,985 Speaker 2: their laser beams. 125 00:06:54,665 --> 00:06:58,985 Speaker 4: Crazy one hundred percent, and it's very terrifying. Is absolutely terrifying, 126 00:06:59,065 --> 00:07:01,545 Speaker 4: and that is across the board. You know, from very 127 00:07:01,665 --> 00:07:05,305 Speaker 4: basic beauty clung clinics even into you know, what you 128 00:07:05,305 --> 00:07:08,225 Speaker 4: would think would be professional clinics. You have to ensure 129 00:07:08,545 --> 00:07:11,505 Speaker 4: that the person that is treating you is trained. So 130 00:07:11,665 --> 00:07:15,385 Speaker 4: they're trained not only in laser or IPL they have 131 00:07:15,505 --> 00:07:18,905 Speaker 4: a laser safety certificate, and they also should be trained 132 00:07:18,905 --> 00:07:22,585 Speaker 4: with that device because every single device is different. Like, 133 00:07:23,025 --> 00:07:25,705 Speaker 4: even though I'm an expert in my field working with 134 00:07:25,945 --> 00:07:28,465 Speaker 4: U TERROR and the devices that I have in my clinic, 135 00:07:29,105 --> 00:07:31,225 Speaker 4: I wouldn't be able to just pick up another laser 136 00:07:31,385 --> 00:07:34,585 Speaker 4: device and then actually start operating it. So the training 137 00:07:34,665 --> 00:07:38,185 Speaker 4: is really really key on the person that's actually doing 138 00:07:38,225 --> 00:07:39,025 Speaker 4: that procedure. 139 00:07:39,385 --> 00:07:41,265 Speaker 3: There have been a lot of like. 140 00:07:41,185 --> 00:07:45,425 Speaker 4: You said, backyard dodging, yeah, that are not reputable, that 141 00:07:45,505 --> 00:07:49,265 Speaker 4: aren't trained, that can buy a laser, you know, from overseas, 142 00:07:49,305 --> 00:07:51,505 Speaker 4: they can buy it from the internet, And so you 143 00:07:51,625 --> 00:07:54,185 Speaker 4: really need to go to someone who does have a 144 00:07:54,225 --> 00:07:57,745 Speaker 4: reputable laser, who does have reputable training and actually puts 145 00:07:57,745 --> 00:08:00,545 Speaker 4: that time and effort into doing a consultation with you, 146 00:08:01,105 --> 00:08:05,185 Speaker 4: and just thinking that not having a budget treatment. 147 00:08:05,025 --> 00:08:05,945 Speaker 3: Is going to be the best. 148 00:08:06,665 --> 00:08:09,785 Speaker 2: Please don't buy like a group about yeah halaser one 149 00:08:10,145 --> 00:08:10,985 Speaker 2: percent as a reason. 150 00:08:11,025 --> 00:08:13,265 Speaker 4: It's so cheap and if you are on a budget, 151 00:08:13,305 --> 00:08:15,865 Speaker 4: there are other options that you can choose, Like you 152 00:08:15,865 --> 00:08:18,345 Speaker 4: could go and be a model for a training day. 153 00:08:18,505 --> 00:08:20,625 Speaker 3: Or maybe you have that is such a good take. 154 00:08:20,745 --> 00:08:24,145 Speaker 4: Yeah, or have less treatments, like maybe have one or 155 00:08:24,145 --> 00:08:26,585 Speaker 4: two treatments so you don't have multiples. 156 00:08:26,705 --> 00:08:29,745 Speaker 2: Could someone even contact a clinic that they've been to 157 00:08:29,825 --> 00:08:32,225 Speaker 2: before and say, hey, I can't afford but if you 158 00:08:32,265 --> 00:08:34,625 Speaker 2: ever need someone for your team to practice and or whatnot. 159 00:08:34,665 --> 00:08:36,865 Speaker 4: One hundred percent and a lot of the good clinics 160 00:08:37,145 --> 00:08:40,945 Speaker 4: with good devices will actually put out on their social 161 00:08:40,985 --> 00:08:43,265 Speaker 4: media or we've got a model training day. 162 00:08:43,425 --> 00:08:44,865 Speaker 3: Yes, that is so true. 163 00:08:44,905 --> 00:08:47,065 Speaker 4: I see those ads all the time, and you're actually 164 00:08:47,225 --> 00:08:50,585 Speaker 4: like you're either under the expert within the clinic. You know, 165 00:08:50,865 --> 00:08:53,705 Speaker 4: you're being overseen. So it's actually a really good way 166 00:08:53,705 --> 00:08:54,265 Speaker 4: to have a treatment. 167 00:08:54,425 --> 00:08:58,945 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk results. How many sessions do people typically need? 168 00:08:59,025 --> 00:09:02,105 Speaker 2: I know it depends on what they're trying to treat, 169 00:09:02,585 --> 00:09:05,185 Speaker 2: But depending on what it is, how many treatments per 170 00:09:05,305 --> 00:09:07,745 Speaker 2: year or what are we looking at in terms of 171 00:09:07,745 --> 00:09:08,225 Speaker 2: time frame. 172 00:09:08,385 --> 00:09:11,865 Speaker 4: If you're treating pigmentation, all the treatments are different. Perfect 173 00:09:11,905 --> 00:09:14,105 Speaker 4: I'd give you a quick overview of that. If you're 174 00:09:14,105 --> 00:09:18,825 Speaker 4: treating pigmentation, you really only need between one and three 175 00:09:18,865 --> 00:09:21,465 Speaker 4: treatments per year. In fact, you shouldn't be having more 176 00:09:21,505 --> 00:09:24,665 Speaker 4: than that because it's too much light on the skin. 177 00:09:24,985 --> 00:09:28,945 Speaker 4: And so I know some clinics they'll offer a less 178 00:09:29,225 --> 00:09:31,985 Speaker 4: like maybe not as strong ipl but they might do 179 00:09:32,025 --> 00:09:32,825 Speaker 4: twelve treatments. 180 00:09:32,865 --> 00:09:34,145 Speaker 3: It's too much light. 181 00:09:34,145 --> 00:09:34,865 Speaker 1: So who's got the time? 182 00:09:34,985 --> 00:09:38,145 Speaker 4: Yeah, And not only that is it can actually cause 183 00:09:38,425 --> 00:09:43,585 Speaker 4: more more pigmentation called post inflammatory hyperpigmentation. So you really 184 00:09:43,945 --> 00:09:47,065 Speaker 4: when you're treating pigmentation, one to two treatments every twelve 185 00:09:47,105 --> 00:09:50,905 Speaker 4: to eighty months is perfect because pigmentation is good for 186 00:09:51,185 --> 00:09:54,465 Speaker 4: as I said, redness or even some low grade rosata 187 00:09:55,025 --> 00:09:59,385 Speaker 4: or vascular then every six to twelve months, depending on 188 00:09:59,705 --> 00:10:03,705 Speaker 4: the patient's skin and what the clinician would actually recommend. 189 00:10:04,185 --> 00:10:07,505 Speaker 4: With hair removal, a lot of clinics like to get 190 00:10:07,505 --> 00:10:10,625 Speaker 4: you in every four weeks for hair removal, but you 191 00:10:10,745 --> 00:10:14,105 Speaker 4: really need to do your research because hair removal should 192 00:10:14,185 --> 00:10:17,505 Speaker 4: actually be performed every eight to ten weeks. 193 00:10:17,665 --> 00:10:20,105 Speaker 1: Oh why do they get you in so quickly? On money? 194 00:10:20,185 --> 00:10:20,545 Speaker 3: Money? 195 00:10:20,665 --> 00:10:23,225 Speaker 1: Exactly? So okay, And I've never had my. 196 00:10:23,225 --> 00:10:26,505 Speaker 2: Hair removed, so that's why it's a bit confusing to me. 197 00:10:26,585 --> 00:10:28,705 Speaker 2: But why would you go in if your hair's not bad? 198 00:10:28,745 --> 00:10:30,985 Speaker 4: And that's part of the problem because it's all about 199 00:10:31,025 --> 00:10:33,345 Speaker 4: getting their clients in more often. 200 00:10:33,585 --> 00:10:35,385 Speaker 3: So that's how you. 201 00:10:35,305 --> 00:10:36,905 Speaker 1: Could burn your skin, couldn't If. 202 00:10:36,785 --> 00:10:40,105 Speaker 4: You treat the hair at the wrong stage, and then 203 00:10:40,145 --> 00:10:42,825 Speaker 4: you can treat the hair at the wrong stage, then 204 00:10:42,945 --> 00:10:46,625 Speaker 4: you're not actually getting that hair removal. That is why 205 00:10:46,865 --> 00:10:49,905 Speaker 4: some people that have hair removal done they're still going 206 00:10:49,945 --> 00:10:50,785 Speaker 4: two years later. 207 00:10:51,185 --> 00:10:51,905 Speaker 3: It shouldn't be. 208 00:10:51,985 --> 00:10:55,905 Speaker 4: That you should only have six to eight treatments and 209 00:10:55,945 --> 00:10:58,505 Speaker 4: by that time they should have seen a really good 210 00:10:58,545 --> 00:11:01,665 Speaker 4: amount of hair reduction. And that is why you have 211 00:11:01,745 --> 00:11:05,465 Speaker 4: to do your research into the type of laser that 212 00:11:05,505 --> 00:11:08,465 Speaker 4: they have and also how many treatments that you actually 213 00:11:08,505 --> 00:11:11,385 Speaker 4: do need. It does depend, like I said, on the 214 00:11:11,425 --> 00:11:16,025 Speaker 4: IPO or laser treatment, but most times is actually done 215 00:11:16,345 --> 00:11:16,945 Speaker 4: too often. 216 00:11:17,225 --> 00:11:26,785 Speaker 1: Your laser lady's lying here. So is there any downtime 217 00:11:26,825 --> 00:11:27,665 Speaker 1: with these treatments? 218 00:11:27,665 --> 00:11:29,985 Speaker 2: Can I get zapped on my lunch break and head 219 00:11:30,025 --> 00:11:31,465 Speaker 2: straight back looking fine? 220 00:11:31,625 --> 00:11:33,265 Speaker 1: Or am I little bit freddy krugery. 221 00:11:33,745 --> 00:11:38,825 Speaker 4: If you're having pigmentation done with an IPL, then what 222 00:11:38,865 --> 00:11:41,505 Speaker 4: you should expect to see. The heat of the IPL 223 00:11:41,905 --> 00:11:46,545 Speaker 4: targets the pigment, basically smashes the pigment and then it 224 00:11:46,585 --> 00:11:49,185 Speaker 4: comes to the surface of the skin so you'll look 225 00:11:49,425 --> 00:11:52,705 Speaker 4: like you've got really intense freckles, but it can be 226 00:11:52,745 --> 00:11:57,345 Speaker 4: covered with makeup. If you have had a treatment for redness, 227 00:11:58,065 --> 00:12:02,025 Speaker 4: chances are that you'll probably swell depending on set, and 228 00:12:02,265 --> 00:12:06,065 Speaker 4: that's where the downtime comes in. But a good practitioner 229 00:12:06,185 --> 00:12:09,905 Speaker 4: will let you know upfront that this is what is 230 00:12:09,905 --> 00:12:13,425 Speaker 4: going to happen. But with laser, so the laser genesis 231 00:12:13,505 --> 00:12:17,025 Speaker 4: that we use in the clinic, there's no downtime, there's 232 00:12:17,025 --> 00:12:17,465 Speaker 4: no outcomes. 233 00:12:17,505 --> 00:12:18,505 Speaker 3: I actually had it yesterday. 234 00:12:18,665 --> 00:12:21,985 Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah, okay, So let's talk maintenance. 235 00:12:22,105 --> 00:12:24,905 Speaker 2: Once you've completed your course of treatments as per what 236 00:12:24,945 --> 00:12:28,465 Speaker 2: your practitioner has recommended, how often do you need to 237 00:12:28,505 --> 00:12:31,145 Speaker 2: go back really really. 238 00:12:30,905 --> 00:12:32,305 Speaker 3: Depends on what you want to achieve. 239 00:12:32,345 --> 00:12:35,625 Speaker 2: So let's say pigment. Let's use the same examples pigmentation 240 00:12:35,785 --> 00:12:39,825 Speaker 2: and hair removal. So pigmentation every twelve months. I don't 241 00:12:39,865 --> 00:12:43,625 Speaker 2: like to refer more than that. Sometimes you can have 242 00:12:43,665 --> 00:12:46,745 Speaker 2: some spot treatments done if you have some tiny spots 243 00:12:46,785 --> 00:12:49,465 Speaker 2: come through every six months, but really you don't want 244 00:12:49,505 --> 00:12:52,465 Speaker 2: to be doing more ipl on your skin than every 245 00:12:52,505 --> 00:12:56,065 Speaker 2: twelve months. And then hair removal, it really depends on 246 00:12:56,105 --> 00:12:58,345 Speaker 2: the person. So it's a really great area for me 247 00:12:58,545 --> 00:13:02,105 Speaker 2: to answer how hairy that person exactly, yep, and how 248 00:13:02,185 --> 00:13:04,985 Speaker 2: much success they've had with their treatment, the type of 249 00:13:05,265 --> 00:13:08,905 Speaker 2: laser or ipl they've used. So there's not a great 250 00:13:08,945 --> 00:13:10,185 Speaker 2: answer that question. 251 00:13:10,265 --> 00:13:10,665 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 252 00:13:11,305 --> 00:13:13,425 Speaker 1: I guess everyone's just really everyone's different. 253 00:13:13,625 --> 00:13:17,425 Speaker 4: But with skin rejuvenation, if it's non ablative, they can 254 00:13:17,465 --> 00:13:19,025 Speaker 4: go every fortnight. 255 00:13:19,385 --> 00:13:19,825 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 256 00:13:20,105 --> 00:13:23,305 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can have a non ablative skin rejuvenation 257 00:13:23,465 --> 00:13:24,265 Speaker 4: done regularly. 258 00:13:24,585 --> 00:13:30,225 Speaker 2: Explain what a blative means. Ablative is where they're really 259 00:13:30,825 --> 00:13:36,825 Speaker 2: removing that surface layer, non invasive, like non invasive is 260 00:13:36,865 --> 00:13:39,865 Speaker 2: what we do in our clinic, So no downtime with 261 00:13:39,945 --> 00:13:40,385 Speaker 2: the laser. 262 00:13:40,465 --> 00:13:43,985 Speaker 4: It's all about rejuvenation. It's all about skin health. But 263 00:13:44,025 --> 00:13:47,825 Speaker 4: there are some lasers that are ablative, and the more 264 00:13:47,945 --> 00:13:51,265 Speaker 4: blative lasers you'll see in the medical clinics, particularly used 265 00:13:51,265 --> 00:13:54,665 Speaker 4: by the dermatologists, and that's for the deepest sun damage, 266 00:13:55,105 --> 00:13:58,905 Speaker 4: acne scarring. Sometimes some of the pigmentation as well, like 267 00:13:58,945 --> 00:14:02,665 Speaker 4: if you've got more molasma pigment, and that's where the 268 00:14:02,705 --> 00:14:05,865 Speaker 4: skin can become impaired. So therefore no more than twelve 269 00:14:06,025 --> 00:14:08,745 Speaker 4: twenty four months, sometimes even three or five years. 270 00:14:08,865 --> 00:14:10,105 Speaker 3: Oh Wowding yep. 271 00:14:11,185 --> 00:14:14,145 Speaker 1: And how much are these sorts of treatments? 272 00:14:14,145 --> 00:14:16,225 Speaker 2: Like what are your recommend that you've already given a 273 00:14:16,265 --> 00:14:18,945 Speaker 2: great tip for someone yep that might be on a budget, 274 00:14:18,985 --> 00:14:21,345 Speaker 2: But what are the rough costs that we're looking at? 275 00:14:21,385 --> 00:14:25,145 Speaker 4: So for pigment and rejuvenation, you're looking for a reputable 276 00:14:25,225 --> 00:14:27,145 Speaker 4: laser in a reputable. 277 00:14:26,585 --> 00:14:29,145 Speaker 1: Clinqu not the group about Yeah, you're looking. 278 00:14:29,265 --> 00:14:31,905 Speaker 4: Over two hundred and fifty dollars, so somewhere between two 279 00:14:31,985 --> 00:14:34,345 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty dollars and four hundred dollars. 280 00:14:34,665 --> 00:14:35,385 Speaker 3: And that's what was saying. 281 00:14:35,385 --> 00:14:38,985 Speaker 4: If you're on a budget, like budget for two treatments 282 00:14:39,105 --> 00:14:42,785 Speaker 4: a year with an IPL treatment, and you know, I 283 00:14:42,825 --> 00:14:45,185 Speaker 4: was actually adding this up before in my head and 284 00:14:45,225 --> 00:14:47,825 Speaker 4: I'm like, well, that's a couple of cups of coffee. 285 00:14:48,385 --> 00:14:51,905 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the amount that I spent off coffee exactly exactly. 286 00:14:52,185 --> 00:14:55,785 Speaker 4: So you'll be doing yourself a favor by actually reducing 287 00:14:55,785 --> 00:14:58,705 Speaker 4: your coffee and having a couple of really good skin treatments. 288 00:14:59,185 --> 00:15:03,345 Speaker 2: But what about the at home IPL or laser devices. 289 00:15:03,785 --> 00:15:07,345 Speaker 2: Are they worth dropping the cash because they cost probably 290 00:15:07,385 --> 00:15:09,505 Speaker 2: the same as a treatment yep? Or are they just 291 00:15:09,705 --> 00:15:12,665 Speaker 2: fancy looking gadgets that we probably won't. 292 00:15:12,545 --> 00:15:14,025 Speaker 3: Use That's exactly right. 293 00:15:14,105 --> 00:15:17,625 Speaker 4: And the problem with the at home devices is they're 294 00:15:17,705 --> 00:15:22,065 Speaker 4: very unregulated. So where is that device coming from, what 295 00:15:22,225 --> 00:15:23,225 Speaker 4: is it actually doing? 296 00:15:23,745 --> 00:15:26,425 Speaker 1: Often did you purchase it from tea move that's because 297 00:15:26,425 --> 00:15:28,945 Speaker 1: it probably will burn your skin. 298 00:15:28,785 --> 00:15:32,585 Speaker 4: Off, and also they don't come with goggles, so that 299 00:15:32,745 --> 00:15:34,985 Speaker 4: is the problem with at home devices. 300 00:15:35,185 --> 00:15:39,905 Speaker 3: LED is a little bit different. There are some exactly intense. 301 00:15:40,185 --> 00:15:44,905 Speaker 4: There are some good at home LEDs, but really laser 302 00:15:44,905 --> 00:15:47,225 Speaker 4: and IPL no, I'm. 303 00:15:47,105 --> 00:15:49,305 Speaker 2: Sure some people would have had success, but I once 304 00:15:49,385 --> 00:15:52,265 Speaker 2: tried and at home laser hair and Movement Divide did 305 00:15:52,345 --> 00:15:56,505 Speaker 2: absolutely nothing. Yeah, exactly, not even one hair came out. Yeah, 306 00:15:56,505 --> 00:16:00,505 Speaker 2: that's exactly right. So you better off waiting and going 307 00:16:00,505 --> 00:16:01,065 Speaker 2: somewhere good. 308 00:16:01,345 --> 00:16:02,425 Speaker 1: Yeah, saving your money. 309 00:16:02,505 --> 00:16:05,425 Speaker 2: And then are there any cool new technologies that are 310 00:16:05,425 --> 00:16:06,705 Speaker 2: coming out that you're excited about. 311 00:16:06,825 --> 00:16:10,225 Speaker 4: So in the last two years, we've seen some really 312 00:16:10,225 --> 00:16:15,265 Speaker 4: great muscle firming technology. There's also some really great advancements 313 00:16:15,305 --> 00:16:20,265 Speaker 4: in radio frequency needling as well, that is such a 314 00:16:20,305 --> 00:16:23,465 Speaker 4: great treatment for the skin. But what I'm really seeing 315 00:16:23,625 --> 00:16:27,865 Speaker 4: that I'm loving is technologies that have been around for 316 00:16:27,865 --> 00:16:31,105 Speaker 4: a long time. We're seeing a lot of these really 317 00:16:31,185 --> 00:16:35,865 Speaker 4: high end device companies looking at what star lasers that 318 00:16:35,865 --> 00:16:38,345 Speaker 4: they've had in the past and what can they do 319 00:16:38,425 --> 00:16:41,625 Speaker 4: to them to improve their safety features, the way that 320 00:16:41,665 --> 00:16:43,945 Speaker 4: they work, and also their applications as well. 321 00:16:51,185 --> 00:16:53,505 Speaker 3: I mean, what is your self carety? Give us the 322 00:16:53,585 --> 00:16:54,305 Speaker 3: dirty detail. 323 00:16:57,345 --> 00:16:59,625 Speaker 2: And we've got a couple of things that we like 324 00:16:59,705 --> 00:17:03,625 Speaker 2: to ask everyone when they come in. As you're an 325 00:17:03,625 --> 00:17:06,585 Speaker 2: expert in your industry and you've got great skin yourself, 326 00:17:06,745 --> 00:17:08,625 Speaker 2: can you talk us through your. 327 00:17:08,785 --> 00:17:12,665 Speaker 4: Routine morning and night. I never ever not do my 328 00:17:12,745 --> 00:17:15,665 Speaker 4: skin care routine. I start in the morning with a 329 00:17:15,745 --> 00:17:19,265 Speaker 4: vitamin B so it's a nice inamide and hydrating treatment. 330 00:17:19,585 --> 00:17:22,065 Speaker 4: I use an exfoliating cleanser in the morning, just very 331 00:17:22,105 --> 00:17:24,385 Speaker 4: mildly exfoliating to prep demology. 332 00:17:25,105 --> 00:17:25,985 Speaker 3: I actually use my. 333 00:17:25,905 --> 00:17:28,665 Speaker 4: Own skin care rate, so I've got my own I've 334 00:17:28,665 --> 00:17:31,825 Speaker 4: got my own skin care and so it's a very 335 00:17:31,945 --> 00:17:35,865 Speaker 4: lightly polishing cleanser. Then I use a vitamin B with 336 00:17:36,145 --> 00:17:39,945 Speaker 4: nicinamide to hydrate my skin. The next product that I 337 00:17:40,105 --> 00:17:42,545 Speaker 4: use that I absolutely love and I think is very 338 00:17:42,585 --> 00:17:46,105 Speaker 4: much a lot really talked about, is a pigment inhibitor 339 00:17:46,345 --> 00:17:47,385 Speaker 4: and a pigment. 340 00:17:47,825 --> 00:17:49,585 Speaker 1: Yes, it's really starting. 341 00:17:49,665 --> 00:17:51,545 Speaker 4: People are really starting to know a lot more about 342 00:17:51,625 --> 00:17:55,865 Speaker 4: them now, But pigment inhibitors are a daily product that 343 00:17:55,905 --> 00:17:59,345 Speaker 4: you should apply that stop every time you go out 344 00:17:59,385 --> 00:18:02,865 Speaker 4: into the sun. The pigment is actually stimulated, so this 345 00:18:03,025 --> 00:18:07,225 Speaker 4: actually stops that chemical conversion within the skin from overproducing 346 00:18:07,265 --> 00:18:11,705 Speaker 4: too much pigment. Whilst it's not a brightening product or 347 00:18:11,745 --> 00:18:15,345 Speaker 4: it's not a vitamin see, it is really doing something 348 00:18:15,465 --> 00:18:18,025 Speaker 4: for the surface of the skin. So that's my next product. 349 00:18:18,465 --> 00:18:22,745 Speaker 4: And on my neck, I apply vitamin C to your face, 350 00:18:22,785 --> 00:18:26,385 Speaker 4: though not everyone can actually use vitamin C, and you 351 00:18:26,465 --> 00:18:29,905 Speaker 4: are and one of those people. It's my own formulation 352 00:18:30,105 --> 00:18:32,745 Speaker 4: and I actually can't use it on my face, but 353 00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:36,105 Speaker 4: it is a collagen stimulating form of vitamin C. So 354 00:18:36,425 --> 00:18:39,745 Speaker 4: neck and declitage is where I use it. And then 355 00:18:39,825 --> 00:18:42,945 Speaker 4: after that I cream. I'm always on my eyes and 356 00:18:43,025 --> 00:18:46,665 Speaker 4: also on your mouth as well and lips. Most people 357 00:18:46,785 --> 00:18:49,105 Speaker 4: don't use I cream on their mouth, and they really 358 00:18:49,105 --> 00:18:52,825 Speaker 4: should because the eye area and your lip aia. The 359 00:18:53,225 --> 00:18:57,305 Speaker 4: skin quality and consistency is very very similar. So morning 360 00:18:57,305 --> 00:19:00,385 Speaker 4: and night I cream and then moisturizer goes on last. 361 00:19:00,585 --> 00:19:02,745 Speaker 1: And your night routine is it the same or different? 362 00:19:03,265 --> 00:19:03,625 Speaker 3: Different? 363 00:19:03,865 --> 00:19:06,265 Speaker 4: So nighttime I like to use a retinol, so I 364 00:19:06,345 --> 00:19:08,905 Speaker 4: every night, every night. But when you use a retinol, 365 00:19:08,985 --> 00:19:13,745 Speaker 4: you shouldn't use an AHA or an exfoliating cleanser first. Yeah, 366 00:19:13,785 --> 00:19:17,225 Speaker 4: that's because the skin barry a nightmare exactly, That's exactly right. 367 00:19:17,265 --> 00:19:20,305 Speaker 4: And I always recommend a retinol that's not too strong. 368 00:19:20,665 --> 00:19:23,665 Speaker 4: So when I developed the retinol within the clinic, it 369 00:19:23,745 --> 00:19:28,545 Speaker 4: has retinol plus two retinol mimicking ingredients, and that way 370 00:19:28,625 --> 00:19:30,825 Speaker 4: I knew from the most sensitive skins to the most 371 00:19:30,865 --> 00:19:33,665 Speaker 4: sun damage skins, they could apply it every single day. 372 00:19:33,705 --> 00:19:34,985 Speaker 3: And that's exactly what I do. 373 00:19:35,385 --> 00:19:38,185 Speaker 4: So once I've applied a retinol, then I use the 374 00:19:38,225 --> 00:19:41,825 Speaker 4: vitamin B again for hydration. I do use the pigment 375 00:19:41,865 --> 00:19:44,625 Speaker 4: inhibitor at nighttime. If you use it twice a day, 376 00:19:44,865 --> 00:19:47,145 Speaker 4: the benefits are going to be so much better. And 377 00:19:47,185 --> 00:19:49,705 Speaker 4: then vitamin C on my neck and finish with my 378 00:19:49,905 --> 00:19:53,905 Speaker 4: icream and moisturizer. So my night routine changes purely by 379 00:19:53,905 --> 00:19:57,465 Speaker 4: putting the retinol in it. And then also if you 380 00:19:57,745 --> 00:19:59,505 Speaker 4: are like me where you use a lot of serums, 381 00:19:59,545 --> 00:20:02,305 Speaker 4: I like to mix them around. So once a week 382 00:20:02,425 --> 00:20:06,105 Speaker 4: I put the retinol, the vitamin B, the pigment inhibitor, 383 00:20:06,225 --> 00:20:08,625 Speaker 4: all on my hands at the same time, and then 384 00:20:08,665 --> 00:20:11,265 Speaker 4: I give myself like a a super serum and then 385 00:20:11,305 --> 00:20:15,305 Speaker 4: I put that onto my skin. So it's always about change, 386 00:20:15,385 --> 00:20:19,185 Speaker 4: Like you don't necessarily have to change your products, but 387 00:20:20,065 --> 00:20:22,145 Speaker 4: to change the way that you apply them to the 388 00:20:22,185 --> 00:20:25,545 Speaker 4: skin is what keeps the skin really active. So my 389 00:20:25,585 --> 00:20:27,985 Speaker 4: skin I'm prepping for this weekend, as I said, I'm 390 00:20:28,065 --> 00:20:31,305 Speaker 4: speaking at a laser conference, and so I've been mixing 391 00:20:31,425 --> 00:20:34,505 Speaker 4: my retinol with my pigment inhibitor as a really great 392 00:20:34,505 --> 00:20:36,785 Speaker 4: brightening product. So I'll do that for a couple of 393 00:20:36,865 --> 00:20:39,825 Speaker 4: weeks and then I'll stop. Okay, Oh, so you're playing 394 00:20:39,865 --> 00:20:41,265 Speaker 4: scientist basic exactly. 395 00:20:41,505 --> 00:20:43,545 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can. 396 00:20:43,425 --> 00:20:46,425 Speaker 2: Buy your like just so in case anyone's like listening 397 00:20:46,425 --> 00:20:47,665 Speaker 2: at home, going Yeah, but where do I. 398 00:20:47,585 --> 00:20:48,345 Speaker 3: Get these things? 399 00:20:48,785 --> 00:20:51,705 Speaker 4: Buy them in my clinic and also through our website 400 00:20:51,985 --> 00:20:54,825 Speaker 4: for the moment, and then in twenty twenty six will 401 00:20:54,825 --> 00:20:55,905 Speaker 4: be launching. 402 00:20:55,625 --> 00:20:58,625 Speaker 2: Okay, amazing, Well, thank you so much for coming in 403 00:20:58,705 --> 00:21:02,585 Speaker 2: and teaching us all about IPL and later. This episode 404 00:21:02,625 --> 00:21:04,905 Speaker 2: of You Beauty is produced by Molly Harwood with audio 405 00:21:04,905 --> 00:21:07,425 Speaker 2: production by Teak and Saddler. If you can't get enough 406 00:21:07,465 --> 00:21:11,025 Speaker 2: of You Beauty and how could you not just the best? 407 00:21:11,425 --> 00:21:15,145 Speaker 2: Don't forget to subscribe to our newsletter for more skincare tips, 408 00:21:15,305 --> 00:21:20,185 Speaker 2: product recommendations, and exclusive beauty content delivered straight to your inbox. 409 00:21:20,545 --> 00:21:24,945 Speaker 1: Bye.