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Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop
Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm a Murnham and I'm Laura Brodneck. On
Speaker 2: today's show, we are talking about a new Netflix series
Speaker 2: called Monsters, based on the Menandez brothers. Kim Kardashian is involved.
Speaker 2: We will be unpacking that. Plus Katy Perry has a
Speaker 2: new Australian enemy.
Speaker 1: But first, but first, we have some very exciting movie news,
Speaker 1: well exciting for anyone who is a Marvel fan, which,
Speaker 1: judging by the box office numbers for that franchise, is
Speaker 1: pretty much everyone in the entire year. So the first
Speaker 1: trailer for the new Thunderbolts movie came out today. Have
Speaker 1: you seen it?
Speaker 2: I have seen Okay, confession, I watched it without the
Speaker 2: sound on.
Speaker 1: Okay, then you would have missed completely all of the context.
Speaker 2: I was already the captions.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm going to suggest that you watch it again
Speaker 1: with sound, just because the delivery of the lines and
Speaker 1: the music and you know, the action is a very
Speaker 1: pivotal part it's very fun.
Speaker 2: Florence Peugh's in it.
Speaker 1: Yes, Florence Pew is the new leading lady for Marvel.
Speaker 1: And I've got to say, you know how we watched
Speaker 1: that when we went to see Deadpool together and there
Speaker 1: was that great joke where Ryan Reynolds character on Deadpool
Speaker 1: turns to the audience says, oh, come on, you know,
Speaker 1: no one's cared about Marvel since Endgame, and everyone's like,
Speaker 1: it's kind of fair.
Speaker 2: That's so true.
Speaker 1: So Florence Pugh is back as Julena, and also David
Speaker 1: Harbar's character Alexi. They were both introduced in the Black
Speaker 1: Widow movie. I feel like now it feels like Marvel
Speaker 1: is kind of finding its feet again. Obviously they're finding
Speaker 1: their feet on TV because agathat all Along is amazing.
Speaker 1: But I feel like this is the most excited that
Speaker 1: I many fans have been for a movie release because
Speaker 1: it feels that the story is being reset. It feels fresh,
Speaker 1: it feels interesting. So you've got Florence Pugh and David
Speaker 1: Harbart teaming up with Sebastian stan Why Russell Alga Klenko
Speaker 1: for this new story, and they're like the B team
Speaker 1: of the of the Avengers.
Speaker 2: They do we know where this takes place on the timeline, Like,
Speaker 2: is it now like modern like present time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of present time. So if you want
Speaker 1: to kind of track Yolena's character, which is Florence Pugh,
Speaker 1: she was introduced in Black Widow. She then made an
Speaker 1: appearance in Hawkeye the.
Speaker 2: TV series, and this was Hayley Steinfeld.
Speaker 1: Yes, and this is kind of picking up up after
Speaker 1: Black Panther because also Julie Louis Dreyfus's character is in it,
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where past ant Man Quantumania, we'll
Speaker 1: just forget that existed past Black Panther. And now we're
Speaker 1: kind of setting the scene for this new batch of
Speaker 1: Marvel characters. And they're kind of like the Rogue b Team,
Speaker 1: like they kind of like failed assassins or fail villains,
Speaker 1: and they have the team up and it just looks so.
Speaker 2: Reminds me of like Suicide Squad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit like that would bring a bit
Speaker 1: more humor back into the Marvel universe. Anyway, I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: It was actually delayed for a while due to the
Speaker 1: writers and actress strikes last year, and so the movie
Speaker 1: is coming out in May. Of next year, So you're excited.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited. I also have some trailer news.
Speaker 1: Oh, what is it?
Speaker 2: Gladiator? The second trailer? The second trailer for Gladiator too. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: so we did unpack the first trailer. We will link
Speaker 2: that in our show notes. But I'm just obsessed. And
Speaker 2: this is the first time I've actually seen Paul Meskal talk.
Speaker 1: In character seriously this trailer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he didn't talk in the first trailer.
Speaker 1: So true. Well, infamously, spillers, you would know that Paul
Speaker 1: Mescale is Emily's very favorite actor of all time, and
Speaker 1: she has yet to see him act anything, has never
Speaker 1: seen any of his TV shows or movies. So when
Speaker 1: you see Gladiator, this is gonna be a big moment
Speaker 1: for Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's already given me the echo some of
Speaker 2: his dialect. But it's fine. So there is a new
Speaker 2: series out on Netflix done by Ryan Murphy. It's called Monsters,
Speaker 2: The Lyle and Eric Menendez Story, and it's based on
Speaker 2: the true crime story of these two brothers, their brothers.
Speaker 2: So this is the second season of Ryan Murphy's series
Speaker 2: called Monsters. The first one was on Jeffrey Dharma, which
Speaker 2: I think was highly controversial.
Speaker 1: It was highly controversial in that people thought it was
Speaker 1: like over glamorizing Dama's story and all his brutal murders.
Speaker 1: But at the same time it you know, did very
Speaker 1: well for Netflix if the numbers are really high, and
Speaker 1: it had quite a lot of critical acclaim Like Evan Peters,
Speaker 1: who played Jeffrey Darmer, won some big awards for it,
Speaker 1: so he was one of the ones that people pushing
Speaker 1: against but also over and watched it.
Speaker 2: And Nicy Nash also one yes beautiful speech, so he's
Speaker 2: gotten the same feedback for this series of course, of
Speaker 2: over glamorizing this true crime story. So basically the true
Speaker 2: story is about Lyle and Eric Menandez, who were two
Speaker 2: brothers who were convicted for murdering their parents in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty nine. They were aged eighteen and twenty two at
Speaker 2: the time. What happened was they killed the parents, but
Speaker 2: they didn't immediately know that they were the killers, so
Speaker 2: they spent around two months of just living this really
Speaker 2: glamorous life. So their dad was quite wealthy. It's predicted
Speaker 2: that they spent seven hundred thousand dollars in two months
Speaker 2: wow before they were caught. As like the killers of
Speaker 2: their parents. They were trialed separately and then it was
Speaker 2: a hung jury, and then they were trialed together and
Speaker 2: they were convicted for first degree murder. And they did
Speaker 2: say that they were abused by their father and neglected
Speaker 2: by their mother, but that was dismissed in court, so
Speaker 2: they're now facing a life sentence in prison. What happened
Speaker 2: was that when this series came out, similar to the
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Darmer series, people were highly critical of it for
Speaker 2: not just over glamorizing the story, but for also making
Speaker 2: it weirdly sexy. Yeah, like they made it very salacious,
Speaker 2: like the boys are always in like speedos and are
Speaker 2: like looking really hot. Forgetting that not only is this
Speaker 2: like a murdercine, but also it involved trauma from both
Speaker 2: of these boys who experience this from their parents, and
Speaker 2: people are completely ignoring that. Eric put out a statement
Speaker 2: through his wife's Twitter account kind of calling out Netflix
Speaker 2: and Ryan Murphy. It's a massive statement. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: read you a part of it. This is what he said.
Speaker 2: I believe we had moved on beyond the lies and
Speaker 2: ruinous character portrayals of Lyle talking about his brother creating
Speaker 2: a characterture of Lyle rooted in horrible and blatant lies
Speaker 2: rampant in the show. I can only believe they were
Speaker 2: done so on purpose. It was a heavy heart that
Speaker 2: I say, I believe Ryan Murphy cannot be this naive
Speaker 2: and inaccurate about the facts of our lives so as
Speaker 2: to do this without bad intent. There's so much more
Speaker 2: of the statement. I think we'll put it on our
Speaker 2: Instagram so you can read it. But he basically called
Speaker 2: that Ryan Murphy. He called out Netflix, and he was
Speaker 2: talking about how usually these kind of shows, like these
Speaker 2: murder shows, I feel like what the director and the
Speaker 2: creator try to do is kind of show the story
Speaker 2: of the victims. And with this show, what Eric was
Speaker 2: saying is that it just made it so much worse.
Speaker 1: Right, So it was more trying to take this idea
Speaker 1: of what people thought, these almost glamorous, wealthy killers, what
Speaker 1: their story was, and below that up for entertainment instead
Speaker 1: of trying to say, like, this is like a way
Speaker 1: of using drama and storytelling to tell the stories of victims.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the fact that they're still alive, they're still
Speaker 2: facing a life sentence in prison. They constantly talk about
Speaker 2: male victims of sexual violence. And it's kind of disheartening
Speaker 2: because I think doing these stories are so dangerous when
Speaker 2: the people who have still been impacted and were victims
Speaker 2: are still alive and are there to watch it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the hard thing about when you want
Speaker 1: to try and take a true story and turn it
Speaker 1: into a drama is that you can't tell it like
Speaker 1: a documentary. You can't have like then, this happened, and
Speaker 1: this happened, this happened, And the same with Dhamar is
Speaker 1: that you've got to stay with this character all through
Speaker 1: the show and stay with him through the awful gore
Speaker 1: and violence. So you also have to have moments where
Speaker 1: you humanize him while you understand him or you see
Speaker 1: things through his eyes, which is very disturbing. And when
Speaker 1: it's a fictional character, it's upsetting to watch, but at
Speaker 1: least you can see like, oh, this is part of
Speaker 1: the storytelling. But when it's a real person and all
Speaker 1: of the family members are watching. This is why I
Speaker 1: have such an issue with true crime and entertainment, and
Speaker 1: not to get to my high horse, because I know
Speaker 1: I watch a lot of problematic shit, but I also
Speaker 1: don't watch true crime or listen to True Prime podcast
Speaker 1: personally because I just find part of it to murky,
Speaker 1: but also to find it enjoyable. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the thing is like the way Ryan Murphy does it
Speaker 1: is that he is a master of making things enjoyable
Speaker 1: and enticing to watch, and that's what he's done and
Speaker 1: that's why people watch his work. So it also feels
Speaker 1: a little bit rich for some of the fans, not
Speaker 1: the people involved in the case, it feels a bit
Speaker 1: rich for me for some of the fans to then
Speaker 1: get upset about the content that they've always consumed from him.
Speaker 2: Hmm. That's such a good point. I also think just
Speaker 2: the case that he chose in general is just so
Speaker 2: highly contentious because I assume that this Monster series would
Speaker 2: be just about serial killers because kind of black and
Speaker 2: white in the sense where like bad person, bad person
Speaker 2: kills other people, Whereas this is a case where these
Speaker 2: brothers killed their parents, but their case was that because
Speaker 2: they were being abused, right, and they're also victims, and
Speaker 2: having them fall under a series as titled Monsters just
Speaker 2: seems so weird to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that is wildly problematic.
Speaker 2: So this has blown up. Kim Kardashian was actually she's
Speaker 2: paying a visit to the prison. We know she's like
Speaker 2: a lawyer, now.
Speaker 1: Well, she works a lot in prison reform.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she visited the prison where Eric and Layla
Speaker 2: held over the last weekend. She was also joined by
Speaker 2: one of the stars on the show, Cooper Karsh, who
Speaker 2: plays Eric, as well as his sister Chloe and mum Chris.
Speaker 2: It hasn't actually been proven that she visited the men specifically,
Speaker 2: but that she was just pictured there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which she does a lot, I have to say,
Speaker 1: And I know there's also been a lot of contention
Speaker 1: about that over the years, of people saying she's using
Speaker 1: it for publicity.
Speaker 2: Because you know, the same with Gypsy Rows.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, yeah, I guess that was also about
Speaker 1: prison reform. That also felt like just a great moment
Speaker 1: for the Kardashians as a TV series that they were
Speaker 1: looking to film. But I think my thoughts on Kim
Speaker 1: Kardashian's prison reform is that it doesn't matter that she's
Speaker 1: doing it for publicity, because particularly the women that were
Speaker 1: sentenced for like really tiny crimes and just didn't have
Speaker 1: the legal help or the money to sort of get
Speaker 1: themselves out of it that have been released after twenty years.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to them that it's publicity, Like you
Speaker 1: can really see the act. It's not like she's just
Speaker 1: walking red carpets and talking about it or she's going
Speaker 1: to fundraising events. Like there's so many women in particular
Speaker 1: that have got out of prison when they would have
Speaker 1: just been left out a rot and like never see
Speaker 1: their families again because of Kim Kardashian. So I feel
Speaker 1: like in this case, the outcome is worthy of any
Speaker 1: kind of allegations of publicity. So I don't think it's
Speaker 1: strange that she was there, but it seems very telling
Speaker 1: that she was there with the actor, like she was
Speaker 1: trying to sort of get involved in this particular case.
Speaker 2: Right now in that specific prison. They've said that she
Speaker 2: is working on beautifying the gardens in prison, which is
Speaker 2: also the same project that Lyle and Eric are both working. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I'm not sure if she jumped on that bandwagon,
Speaker 2: if it was just like a happy coincident.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's someone's brought that to her attention. It's
Speaker 1: kind of working with the whole situation there, And also interestingly,
Speaker 1: is like she's also extremely close to Ryan Murphy as
Speaker 1: we know that he cast her in American Horror Story.
Speaker 1: He made the oj Simpson TV series which also start
Speaker 1: actors as her family, and like the younger Kardashians, kind
Speaker 1: of got her into acting with American Horror Story. He's
Speaker 1: now like co producing her new big TV show that's
Speaker 1: coming out, so like they're really in business together, which
Speaker 1: is adding another layer to this whole situation.
Speaker 2: And I'd love to be a fly on the wall
Speaker 2: for that little me and great. We have written a
Speaker 2: lot about this TV show and everything that's happened behind
Speaker 2: the scenes on making it. If you want more, we
Speaker 2: will link those pieces in our show notes.
Speaker 1: And well, in the words of one Emily Vernon, Katy
Speaker 1: Perry has a new Australian enemy. Is that we're labeling this.
Speaker 1: If you don't know where that joke's coming from, I
Speaker 1: think everyone would know. We're talking about a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago when Katy Perry so Catherine Hudson, the singer,
Speaker 1: was involved in a legal battle with an Australian designer.
Speaker 1: Katy Perry spelled Katie who is now Katie Jane Taylor
Speaker 1: changed her name and this was to do with the
Speaker 1: fact that Katie Jane Taylor. So the Australian version of
Speaker 1: Katy Perry was selling and designing Hermeline under the label
Speaker 1: Katy Perry since about two thousand and seven, and then
Speaker 1: Catherine Hudson aka singer Katie Perry, initially fought the Australian
Speaker 1: registration of the Katy Perry label. So it's a really
Speaker 1: back and forth over who was going to get to
Speaker 1: use the Katy Perry name spelt differently, but still Katie
Speaker 1: Perry brilliant in Australia exactly. All of a sudden, everyone's
Speaker 1: super aware of the Katy Perry clothing brand, and Katy
Speaker 1: Perry the singer later withdrew the opposition and the trademark
Speaker 1: was registered. So but that made international headlines for a
Speaker 1: long time, that the fact that Katy Perry was in
Speaker 1: this legal back and forth with an Australian designer. And
Speaker 1: now she's come back for round two. Oh god, because
Speaker 1: Katy Perry is going to performing at the AFL Do
Speaker 1: you want to jump in here?
Speaker 2: She's performing at the AFL Grand Final, which is this Saturday.
Speaker 2: It is Brisbane Lyons versus Sydney, Swan.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't really know that because I live in Sydney
Speaker 1: and my families in Brison. Oh, this is the game
Speaker 1: they've all been talking about.
Speaker 2: I get it. I get big deal because AFL is
Speaker 2: like a Victorian sport and there's no Victorian teams yes
Speaker 2: in the grand finals. So and they're both still playing
Speaker 2: at the MCG, which.
Speaker 1: Is where you always What has really come out of
Speaker 1: this year for me personally with all of the conversation
Speaker 1: on Katy Perry's music and her like new interviews and
Speaker 1: her new album, is that I'm just desperate to see
Speaker 1: that woman perform live. I just, yes, I have some
Speaker 1: questionable thoughts about her new music. I just want to
Speaker 1: have a spare AFL ticket. I don't even need to
Speaker 1: stay for the game. I just want to pop in
Speaker 1: and see Katy Perry and leave.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, you're not going to get
Speaker 2: a ticket.
Speaker 1: We can dream. So anyway, Katy Perry is playing at
Speaker 1: the sports event, which is really giving Super Bowl Australia vibes,
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 2: Is pretty much the Super Bowl Australia, except I feel
Speaker 2: like when international celebrities come here to perform, they assume
Speaker 2: it's like Super Bowl level and then are like, what is.
Speaker 1: So, what's come out is that Katy Perry has apparently
Speaker 1: been in a bit of a back and forth with
Speaker 1: the AFL over the set list that she will perform
Speaker 1: at this event. So this reported by AFL journalist Tom Morris,
Speaker 1: first time we've quoted him on this particular podcast. So
Speaker 1: during Tom Morris's reporting in his coverage of this very
Speaker 1: breaking news event, AFL great Cane Korn's said, this is
Speaker 1: a direct quote. The AFL are saying, we only want
Speaker 1: your hits. We only want your bangers, we only want
Speaker 1: your best stuff. We want raw, we want teenage dream,
Speaker 1: we want firework. These are the songs we know and love.
Speaker 1: And Katy Perry has pushed back and said, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I want to play two of my new songs. And
Speaker 1: then Cane Korn's said, you know when you go to
Speaker 1: a concert and maybe they're old and all you want
Speaker 1: is their good stuff. You just want their greatest hits.
Speaker 1: That's what the AFL have requested of Katy Perry, and
Speaker 1: she's gone, no, I want to promote my new music.
Speaker 1: And then a few of the other AFL men who
Speaker 1: I won't name because I'm pretty sure our readers, just
Speaker 1: like me, don't know who they are said, well, they
Speaker 1: should have written into her contract. It's too late to
Speaker 1: ask her something if it's not written to the contract.
Speaker 1: In fact, they have it, Katie, You're just going to
Speaker 1: have to come to the party. Thoughts.
Speaker 2: I really should have been the one to bring this segment.
Speaker 2: What do I mean?
Speaker 1: I thought I was a great explainer.
Speaker 2: No, you explained it. Well, I'm kind of on the
Speaker 2: AFL side.
Speaker 1: Hinge. Of course you are, because I'm a sports girl.
Speaker 1: Pick me.
Speaker 2: The people who are going to the AFL are like
Speaker 2: crazy sports fanatics. Like they're like crazy fanatics. Like even
Speaker 2: if I try to get a ticket, I wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to go because I'd be insulting these people taking their spot. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I understand why they want the hits because those
Speaker 2: will be the only songs that the people in the
Speaker 2: crowd would know. Okay, they're not going to be knowing
Speaker 2: Women's World, They're not going to be knowing any other
Speaker 2: new song she sings. They might know Swish Swish, which
Speaker 2: I think she should have performed. And also, it's not
Speaker 2: going to be super Bowl level, so the crowd is
Speaker 2: not going to be that big, that into. It's not
Speaker 2: going to be like massive celebrity. There will be Australian
Speaker 2: celebrities going, but not like crazy a less celebrities going.
Speaker 1: But also the woman has already done the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: halftime show and she did like a great job, so
Speaker 1: she's there. She had that performance level, or she can
Speaker 1: tone it down, so she want to sing two new
Speaker 1: songs and it'd be absolutely drop dead silence in the state.
Speaker 1: I just think looking at from her perspective, like I said,
Speaker 1: I think Katy Perry has got some bangers, and if
Speaker 1: I was going to this sporting event, wherever it may
Speaker 1: be in the world, I would love to see her
Speaker 1: play all her hits. But at the same time, she's
Speaker 1: a business. She's got a new album like one four
Speaker 1: to three, her new studio album has just come out.
Speaker 1: The reviews are bad, which I think is kind of
Speaker 1: separate too. I think everyone's kind of really jumped in
Speaker 1: this whole Katy Perry hate train, which is why this
Speaker 1: story has been picked up so intensely today. Like normally
Speaker 1: most people wouldn't be that interested in the setlist back
Speaker 1: and forth between a singer and a football game, but
Speaker 1: it's just because people are just like they just love
Speaker 1: when a very famous woman is getting piled on, and
Speaker 1: so I think a lot of people are jumping on that,
Speaker 1: which is separate to the actual music critics that have
Speaker 1: written like really thoughtful pieces and don't like it. That's
Speaker 1: a separate thing. So she's got a new album to promote,
Speaker 1: and I totally understand why she might want to push
Speaker 1: it with two songs and say I'll do one Like
Speaker 1: that's not That's what all artists do when they have
Speaker 1: new music, and they do promo events like this to
Speaker 1: get their new album out, And the whole point of
Speaker 1: them doing that is to say I'll play a few
Speaker 1: hits and I'll play the new music so you can
Speaker 1: hear it, and that's how they build their business in
Speaker 1: their career. Like, she's not crazy, No, okay, I understand
Speaker 1: that point.
Speaker 2: But now, because this is so well known the story,
Speaker 2: I just know when she sings that new song, they're
Speaker 2: going to be zooming in on like middle aged men's faces,
Speaker 2: going what the hell is this?
Speaker 1: I think they should be so lucky to see Katy
Speaker 1: Perry live, is all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know what I think she should do. She
Speaker 2: should do what Robbie Williams did in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Why what was that?
Speaker 2: So Robbie Williams played at the twenty twenty two AFL
Speaker 2: Grand Final. He's actually an AFL fan, like he's actually
Speaker 2: a massive supporter of Carlton, so he was having the
Speaker 2: best time. He knew exactly what to do. He had
Speaker 2: to play one of his new songs, which I feel
Speaker 2: like he personally didn't want to do because like the
Speaker 2: crowd just wanted the bangers, as you know, but he
Speaker 2: actually said on the my sorry, I have to do
Speaker 2: the obligatory new song. So he grabbed the guitar, he
Speaker 2: sang a few lines, did and even sing the whole song,
Speaker 2: and then immediately went in too, let me entertain you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a way to do it. I think that Katie,
Speaker 1: that's what she should do. She should come out with raw,
Speaker 1: break the Fourth Wall, and then Teenage Dream, and then
Speaker 1: she plays Woman's World, which I'm gonna say, I know
Speaker 1: all the words to again, someone get me new ticket,
Speaker 1: I will sing along, and then she ends with Firework.
Speaker 1: That's how she does it, Like, that's what she should be.
Speaker 2: Doing, and I think she should just be really appreciative
Speaker 2: of this opportunity. So I have a fun fact for
Speaker 2: people who don't watch sports. Also, I'm sorry if I
Speaker 2: get this wrong because I'm also new at the sporting world.
Speaker 2: But in AFL, like each player has their own song,
Speaker 2: so really so if they kick a goal, they'll play
Speaker 2: a song of their choice. That's air song.
Speaker 1: So many of them.
Speaker 2: Have Katie Perry bangers.
Speaker 1: Really, that's great.
Speaker 2: It isn't cure.
Speaker 1: See she deserves to be there. That is a truly
Speaker 1: fun fact. Emily vote. We'll done.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much for listening to the
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Speaker 1: Bye bye bye