1 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:16,064 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 3 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:20,544 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,304 --> 00:00:28,144 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop 5 00:00:28,184 --> 00:00:31,184 Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm a Murnham and I'm Laura Brodneck. On 6 00:00:31,224 --> 00:00:34,344 Speaker 2: today's show, we are talking about a new Netflix series 7 00:00:34,384 --> 00:00:38,184 Speaker 2: called Monsters, based on the Menandez brothers. Kim Kardashian is involved. 8 00:00:38,304 --> 00:00:41,224 Speaker 2: We will be unpacking that. Plus Katy Perry has a 9 00:00:41,264 --> 00:00:42,704 Speaker 2: new Australian enemy. 10 00:00:42,864 --> 00:00:46,544 Speaker 1: But first, but first, we have some very exciting movie news, 11 00:00:46,584 --> 00:00:49,344 Speaker 1: well exciting for anyone who is a Marvel fan, which, 12 00:00:49,424 --> 00:00:51,664 Speaker 1: judging by the box office numbers for that franchise, is 13 00:00:51,704 --> 00:00:55,784 Speaker 1: pretty much everyone in the entire year. So the first 14 00:00:55,824 --> 00:00:59,384 Speaker 1: trailer for the new Thunderbolts movie came out today. Have 15 00:00:59,464 --> 00:00:59,944 Speaker 1: you seen it? 16 00:01:00,184 --> 00:01:03,904 Speaker 2: I have seen Okay, confession, I watched it without the 17 00:01:03,984 --> 00:01:04,424 Speaker 2: sound on. 18 00:01:04,744 --> 00:01:07,224 Speaker 1: Okay, then you would have missed completely all of the context. 19 00:01:07,424 --> 00:01:08,544 Speaker 2: I was already the captions. 20 00:01:08,624 --> 00:01:11,184 Speaker 1: Okay. I'm going to suggest that you watch it again 21 00:01:11,224 --> 00:01:13,504 Speaker 1: with sound, just because the delivery of the lines and 22 00:01:13,504 --> 00:01:15,784 Speaker 1: the music and you know, the action is a very 23 00:01:15,784 --> 00:01:17,104 Speaker 1: pivotal part it's very fun. 24 00:01:17,224 --> 00:01:18,144 Speaker 2: Florence Peugh's in it. 25 00:01:18,264 --> 00:01:20,704 Speaker 1: Yes, Florence Pew is the new leading lady for Marvel. 26 00:01:20,744 --> 00:01:22,424 Speaker 1: And I've got to say, you know how we watched 27 00:01:22,424 --> 00:01:24,944 Speaker 1: that when we went to see Deadpool together and there 28 00:01:25,024 --> 00:01:27,784 Speaker 1: was that great joke where Ryan Reynolds character on Deadpool 29 00:01:28,024 --> 00:01:29,544 Speaker 1: turns to the audience says, oh, come on, you know, 30 00:01:29,664 --> 00:01:32,024 Speaker 1: no one's cared about Marvel since Endgame, and everyone's like, 31 00:01:32,384 --> 00:01:33,144 Speaker 1: it's kind of fair. 32 00:01:33,264 --> 00:01:34,304 Speaker 2: That's so true. 33 00:01:34,384 --> 00:01:37,344 Speaker 1: So Florence Pugh is back as Julena, and also David 34 00:01:37,424 --> 00:01:40,504 Speaker 1: Harbar's character Alexi. They were both introduced in the Black 35 00:01:40,504 --> 00:01:43,304 Speaker 1: Widow movie. I feel like now it feels like Marvel 36 00:01:43,384 --> 00:01:45,384 Speaker 1: is kind of finding its feet again. Obviously they're finding 37 00:01:45,384 --> 00:01:47,984 Speaker 1: their feet on TV because agathat all Along is amazing. 38 00:01:48,184 --> 00:01:49,984 Speaker 1: But I feel like this is the most excited that 39 00:01:50,064 --> 00:01:53,584 Speaker 1: I many fans have been for a movie release because 40 00:01:53,584 --> 00:01:55,744 Speaker 1: it feels that the story is being reset. It feels fresh, 41 00:01:55,824 --> 00:01:58,984 Speaker 1: it feels interesting. So you've got Florence Pugh and David 42 00:01:58,984 --> 00:02:03,424 Speaker 1: Harbart teaming up with Sebastian stan Why Russell Alga Klenko 43 00:02:03,784 --> 00:02:06,424 Speaker 1: for this new story, and they're like the B team 44 00:02:06,704 --> 00:02:08,024 Speaker 1: of the of the Avengers. 45 00:02:08,024 --> 00:02:10,464 Speaker 2: They do we know where this takes place on the timeline, Like, 46 00:02:10,584 --> 00:02:12,784 Speaker 2: is it now like modern like present time? 47 00:02:12,864 --> 00:02:14,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of present time. So if you want 48 00:02:14,784 --> 00:02:17,104 Speaker 1: to kind of track Yolena's character, which is Florence Pugh, 49 00:02:17,184 --> 00:02:19,744 Speaker 1: she was introduced in Black Widow. She then made an 50 00:02:19,744 --> 00:02:20,904 Speaker 1: appearance in Hawkeye the. 51 00:02:20,864 --> 00:02:23,744 Speaker 2: TV series, and this was Hayley Steinfeld. 52 00:02:23,904 --> 00:02:26,144 Speaker 1: Yes, and this is kind of picking up up after 53 00:02:26,264 --> 00:02:29,304 Speaker 1: Black Panther because also Julie Louis Dreyfus's character is in it, 54 00:02:29,344 --> 00:02:32,464 Speaker 1: So that's kind of where past ant Man Quantumania, we'll 55 00:02:32,464 --> 00:02:35,824 Speaker 1: just forget that existed past Black Panther. And now we're 56 00:02:35,904 --> 00:02:38,584 Speaker 1: kind of setting the scene for this new batch of 57 00:02:38,664 --> 00:02:41,064 Speaker 1: Marvel characters. And they're kind of like the Rogue b Team, 58 00:02:41,144 --> 00:02:43,304 Speaker 1: like they kind of like failed assassins or fail villains, 59 00:02:43,304 --> 00:02:44,984 Speaker 1: and they have the team up and it just looks so. 60 00:02:44,984 --> 00:02:46,544 Speaker 2: Reminds me of like Suicide Squad. 61 00:02:46,824 --> 00:02:48,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit like that would bring a bit 62 00:02:48,304 --> 00:02:51,264 Speaker 1: more humor back into the Marvel universe. Anyway, I'm very excited. 63 00:02:51,304 --> 00:02:53,304 Speaker 1: It was actually delayed for a while due to the 64 00:02:53,304 --> 00:02:56,784 Speaker 1: writers and actress strikes last year, and so the movie 65 00:02:56,864 --> 00:02:59,224 Speaker 1: is coming out in May. Of next year, So you're excited. 66 00:02:59,384 --> 00:03:01,464 Speaker 2: I'm very excited. I also have some trailer news. 67 00:03:01,584 --> 00:03:02,184 Speaker 1: Oh, what is it? 68 00:03:02,264 --> 00:03:07,624 Speaker 2: Gladiator? The second trailer? The second trailer for Gladiator too. Yes, yes, 69 00:03:07,704 --> 00:03:11,304 Speaker 2: so we did unpack the first trailer. We will link 70 00:03:11,344 --> 00:03:13,504 Speaker 2: that in our show notes. But I'm just obsessed. And 71 00:03:13,544 --> 00:03:16,624 Speaker 2: this is the first time I've actually seen Paul Meskal talk. 72 00:03:16,424 --> 00:03:18,424 Speaker 1: In character seriously this trailer. 73 00:03:18,504 --> 00:03:20,304 Speaker 2: Yeah, because he didn't talk in the first trailer. 74 00:03:20,384 --> 00:03:23,104 Speaker 1: So true. Well, infamously, spillers, you would know that Paul 75 00:03:23,144 --> 00:03:26,704 Speaker 1: Mescale is Emily's very favorite actor of all time, and 76 00:03:26,744 --> 00:03:28,744 Speaker 1: she has yet to see him act anything, has never 77 00:03:28,744 --> 00:03:30,864 Speaker 1: seen any of his TV shows or movies. So when 78 00:03:30,864 --> 00:03:32,464 Speaker 1: you see Gladiator, this is gonna be a big moment 79 00:03:32,504 --> 00:03:32,904 Speaker 1: for Yeah. 80 00:03:32,944 --> 00:03:34,384 Speaker 2: I mean, he's already given me the echo some of 81 00:03:34,384 --> 00:03:40,104 Speaker 2: his dialect. But it's fine. So there is a new 82 00:03:40,264 --> 00:03:44,544 Speaker 2: series out on Netflix done by Ryan Murphy. It's called Monsters, 83 00:03:44,624 --> 00:03:47,864 Speaker 2: The Lyle and Eric Menendez Story, and it's based on 84 00:03:47,904 --> 00:03:50,784 Speaker 2: the true crime story of these two brothers, their brothers. 85 00:03:51,184 --> 00:03:54,784 Speaker 2: So this is the second season of Ryan Murphy's series 86 00:03:54,824 --> 00:03:57,744 Speaker 2: called Monsters. The first one was on Jeffrey Dharma, which 87 00:03:58,064 --> 00:03:59,584 Speaker 2: I think was highly controversial. 88 00:03:59,944 --> 00:04:02,184 Speaker 1: It was highly controversial in that people thought it was 89 00:04:02,224 --> 00:04:05,864 Speaker 1: like over glamorizing Dama's story and all his brutal murders. 90 00:04:06,064 --> 00:04:08,624 Speaker 1: But at the same time it you know, did very 91 00:04:08,624 --> 00:04:10,864 Speaker 1: well for Netflix if the numbers are really high, and 92 00:04:10,904 --> 00:04:13,224 Speaker 1: it had quite a lot of critical acclaim Like Evan Peters, 93 00:04:13,264 --> 00:04:15,584 Speaker 1: who played Jeffrey Darmer, won some big awards for it, 94 00:04:15,704 --> 00:04:17,824 Speaker 1: so he was one of the ones that people pushing 95 00:04:17,864 --> 00:04:19,264 Speaker 1: against but also over and watched it. 96 00:04:19,304 --> 00:04:23,624 Speaker 2: And Nicy Nash also one yes beautiful speech, so he's 97 00:04:23,664 --> 00:04:26,264 Speaker 2: gotten the same feedback for this series of course, of 98 00:04:26,344 --> 00:04:30,464 Speaker 2: over glamorizing this true crime story. So basically the true 99 00:04:30,504 --> 00:04:33,584 Speaker 2: story is about Lyle and Eric Menandez, who were two 100 00:04:33,624 --> 00:04:37,704 Speaker 2: brothers who were convicted for murdering their parents in nineteen 101 00:04:37,744 --> 00:04:40,704 Speaker 2: eighty nine. They were aged eighteen and twenty two at 102 00:04:40,704 --> 00:04:45,224 Speaker 2: the time. What happened was they killed the parents, but 103 00:04:45,384 --> 00:04:47,864 Speaker 2: they didn't immediately know that they were the killers, so 104 00:04:48,464 --> 00:04:51,904 Speaker 2: they spent around two months of just living this really 105 00:04:52,064 --> 00:04:55,904 Speaker 2: glamorous life. So their dad was quite wealthy. It's predicted 106 00:04:55,904 --> 00:04:59,224 Speaker 2: that they spent seven hundred thousand dollars in two months 107 00:04:59,464 --> 00:05:02,024 Speaker 2: wow before they were caught. As like the killers of 108 00:05:02,064 --> 00:05:05,304 Speaker 2: their parents. They were trialed separately and then it was 109 00:05:05,304 --> 00:05:07,264 Speaker 2: a hung jury, and then they were trialed together and 110 00:05:07,304 --> 00:05:10,064 Speaker 2: they were convicted for first degree murder. And they did 111 00:05:10,104 --> 00:05:14,384 Speaker 2: say that they were abused by their father and neglected 112 00:05:14,384 --> 00:05:16,824 Speaker 2: by their mother, but that was dismissed in court, so 113 00:05:16,824 --> 00:05:20,824 Speaker 2: they're now facing a life sentence in prison. What happened 114 00:05:21,144 --> 00:05:24,784 Speaker 2: was that when this series came out, similar to the 115 00:05:24,864 --> 00:05:28,344 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Darmer series, people were highly critical of it for 116 00:05:28,424 --> 00:05:32,344 Speaker 2: not just over glamorizing the story, but for also making 117 00:05:32,344 --> 00:05:36,424 Speaker 2: it weirdly sexy. Yeah, like they made it very salacious, 118 00:05:36,504 --> 00:05:38,864 Speaker 2: like the boys are always in like speedos and are 119 00:05:38,904 --> 00:05:42,264 Speaker 2: like looking really hot. Forgetting that not only is this 120 00:05:42,344 --> 00:05:45,744 Speaker 2: like a murdercine, but also it involved trauma from both 121 00:05:45,744 --> 00:05:48,384 Speaker 2: of these boys who experience this from their parents, and 122 00:05:48,584 --> 00:05:52,304 Speaker 2: people are completely ignoring that. Eric put out a statement 123 00:05:52,544 --> 00:05:56,664 Speaker 2: through his wife's Twitter account kind of calling out Netflix 124 00:05:56,784 --> 00:06:00,304 Speaker 2: and Ryan Murphy. It's a massive statement. I'm just gonna 125 00:06:00,304 --> 00:06:01,784 Speaker 2: read you a part of it. This is what he said. 126 00:06:02,544 --> 00:06:04,984 Speaker 2: I believe we had moved on beyond the lies and 127 00:06:05,064 --> 00:06:08,904 Speaker 2: ruinous character portrayals of Lyle talking about his brother creating 128 00:06:08,944 --> 00:06:12,544 Speaker 2: a characterture of Lyle rooted in horrible and blatant lies 129 00:06:12,664 --> 00:06:15,304 Speaker 2: rampant in the show. I can only believe they were 130 00:06:15,344 --> 00:06:17,584 Speaker 2: done so on purpose. It was a heavy heart that 131 00:06:17,664 --> 00:06:20,824 Speaker 2: I say, I believe Ryan Murphy cannot be this naive 132 00:06:20,904 --> 00:06:23,944 Speaker 2: and inaccurate about the facts of our lives so as 133 00:06:23,984 --> 00:06:27,864 Speaker 2: to do this without bad intent. There's so much more 134 00:06:27,904 --> 00:06:29,624 Speaker 2: of the statement. I think we'll put it on our 135 00:06:29,664 --> 00:06:32,464 Speaker 2: Instagram so you can read it. But he basically called 136 00:06:32,464 --> 00:06:35,264 Speaker 2: that Ryan Murphy. He called out Netflix, and he was 137 00:06:35,304 --> 00:06:39,504 Speaker 2: talking about how usually these kind of shows, like these 138 00:06:39,824 --> 00:06:42,184 Speaker 2: murder shows, I feel like what the director and the 139 00:06:42,224 --> 00:06:45,464 Speaker 2: creator try to do is kind of show the story 140 00:06:45,664 --> 00:06:49,184 Speaker 2: of the victims. And with this show, what Eric was 141 00:06:49,184 --> 00:06:51,144 Speaker 2: saying is that it just made it so much worse. 142 00:06:51,504 --> 00:06:53,824 Speaker 1: Right, So it was more trying to take this idea 143 00:06:53,864 --> 00:06:58,184 Speaker 1: of what people thought, these almost glamorous, wealthy killers, what 144 00:06:58,264 --> 00:07:01,464 Speaker 1: their story was, and below that up for entertainment instead 145 00:07:01,464 --> 00:07:03,904 Speaker 1: of trying to say, like, this is like a way 146 00:07:03,944 --> 00:07:06,904 Speaker 1: of using drama and storytelling to tell the stories of victims. 147 00:07:06,984 --> 00:07:09,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the fact that they're still alive, they're still 148 00:07:09,784 --> 00:07:14,144 Speaker 2: facing a life sentence in prison. They constantly talk about 149 00:07:14,424 --> 00:07:18,664 Speaker 2: male victims of sexual violence. And it's kind of disheartening 150 00:07:18,744 --> 00:07:22,024 Speaker 2: because I think doing these stories are so dangerous when 151 00:07:22,224 --> 00:07:24,784 Speaker 2: the people who have still been impacted and were victims 152 00:07:24,784 --> 00:07:26,704 Speaker 2: are still alive and are there to watch it. 153 00:07:26,904 --> 00:07:28,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the hard thing about when you want 154 00:07:28,624 --> 00:07:30,624 Speaker 1: to try and take a true story and turn it 155 00:07:30,624 --> 00:07:32,584 Speaker 1: into a drama is that you can't tell it like 156 00:07:32,624 --> 00:07:34,424 Speaker 1: a documentary. You can't have like then, this happened, and 157 00:07:34,464 --> 00:07:36,864 Speaker 1: this happened, this happened, And the same with Dhamar is 158 00:07:36,864 --> 00:07:38,944 Speaker 1: that you've got to stay with this character all through 159 00:07:38,984 --> 00:07:41,904 Speaker 1: the show and stay with him through the awful gore 160 00:07:41,944 --> 00:07:44,744 Speaker 1: and violence. So you also have to have moments where 161 00:07:44,784 --> 00:07:47,384 Speaker 1: you humanize him while you understand him or you see 162 00:07:47,424 --> 00:07:50,584 Speaker 1: things through his eyes, which is very disturbing. And when 163 00:07:50,584 --> 00:07:53,064 Speaker 1: it's a fictional character, it's upsetting to watch, but at 164 00:07:53,144 --> 00:07:54,664 Speaker 1: least you can see like, oh, this is part of 165 00:07:54,664 --> 00:07:57,064 Speaker 1: the storytelling. But when it's a real person and all 166 00:07:57,104 --> 00:07:58,824 Speaker 1: of the family members are watching. This is why I 167 00:07:58,864 --> 00:08:01,504 Speaker 1: have such an issue with true crime and entertainment, and 168 00:08:01,544 --> 00:08:02,984 Speaker 1: not to get to my high horse, because I know 169 00:08:03,064 --> 00:08:05,424 Speaker 1: I watch a lot of problematic shit, but I also 170 00:08:05,544 --> 00:08:08,824 Speaker 1: don't watch true crime or listen to True Prime podcast 171 00:08:08,904 --> 00:08:11,864 Speaker 1: personally because I just find part of it to murky, 172 00:08:12,104 --> 00:08:14,464 Speaker 1: but also to find it enjoyable. And I think that's 173 00:08:14,504 --> 00:08:16,584 Speaker 1: the thing is like the way Ryan Murphy does it 174 00:08:16,624 --> 00:08:19,344 Speaker 1: is that he is a master of making things enjoyable 175 00:08:19,344 --> 00:08:22,064 Speaker 1: and enticing to watch, and that's what he's done and 176 00:08:22,064 --> 00:08:25,184 Speaker 1: that's why people watch his work. So it also feels 177 00:08:25,184 --> 00:08:26,824 Speaker 1: a little bit rich for some of the fans, not 178 00:08:26,864 --> 00:08:28,584 Speaker 1: the people involved in the case, it feels a bit 179 00:08:28,664 --> 00:08:30,904 Speaker 1: rich for me for some of the fans to then 180 00:08:30,944 --> 00:08:34,864 Speaker 1: get upset about the content that they've always consumed from him. 181 00:08:35,104 --> 00:08:37,424 Speaker 2: Hmm. That's such a good point. I also think just 182 00:08:37,464 --> 00:08:39,624 Speaker 2: the case that he chose in general is just so 183 00:08:39,744 --> 00:08:44,104 Speaker 2: highly contentious because I assume that this Monster series would 184 00:08:44,144 --> 00:08:47,184 Speaker 2: be just about serial killers because kind of black and 185 00:08:47,184 --> 00:08:49,904 Speaker 2: white in the sense where like bad person, bad person 186 00:08:49,984 --> 00:08:53,024 Speaker 2: kills other people, Whereas this is a case where these 187 00:08:53,064 --> 00:08:56,864 Speaker 2: brothers killed their parents, but their case was that because 188 00:08:56,864 --> 00:08:59,944 Speaker 2: they were being abused, right, and they're also victims, and 189 00:09:00,224 --> 00:09:03,624 Speaker 2: having them fall under a series as titled Monsters just 190 00:09:03,624 --> 00:09:04,704 Speaker 2: seems so weird to me. 191 00:09:05,024 --> 00:09:07,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that is wildly problematic. 192 00:09:07,424 --> 00:09:11,264 Speaker 2: So this has blown up. Kim Kardashian was actually she's 193 00:09:12,104 --> 00:09:14,784 Speaker 2: paying a visit to the prison. We know she's like 194 00:09:14,904 --> 00:09:16,464 Speaker 2: a lawyer, now. 195 00:09:16,464 --> 00:09:18,184 Speaker 1: Well, she works a lot in prison reform. 196 00:09:18,264 --> 00:09:21,144 Speaker 2: Yeah, so she visited the prison where Eric and Layla 197 00:09:21,264 --> 00:09:24,664 Speaker 2: held over the last weekend. She was also joined by 198 00:09:24,664 --> 00:09:26,904 Speaker 2: one of the stars on the show, Cooper Karsh, who 199 00:09:26,904 --> 00:09:30,384 Speaker 2: plays Eric, as well as his sister Chloe and mum Chris. 200 00:09:30,504 --> 00:09:34,104 Speaker 2: It hasn't actually been proven that she visited the men specifically, 201 00:09:34,224 --> 00:09:35,624 Speaker 2: but that she was just pictured there. 202 00:09:35,944 --> 00:09:38,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, which she does a lot, I have to say, 203 00:09:38,544 --> 00:09:40,144 Speaker 1: And I know there's also been a lot of contention 204 00:09:40,224 --> 00:09:42,384 Speaker 1: about that over the years, of people saying she's using 205 00:09:42,424 --> 00:09:43,704 Speaker 1: it for publicity. 206 00:09:43,304 --> 00:09:44,784 Speaker 2: Because you know, the same with Gypsy Rows. 207 00:09:44,904 --> 00:09:46,704 Speaker 1: Well, I think, yeah, I guess that was also about 208 00:09:46,704 --> 00:09:48,824 Speaker 1: prison reform. That also felt like just a great moment 209 00:09:48,864 --> 00:09:50,944 Speaker 1: for the Kardashians as a TV series that they were 210 00:09:50,944 --> 00:09:52,984 Speaker 1: looking to film. But I think my thoughts on Kim 211 00:09:53,064 --> 00:09:55,704 Speaker 1: Kardashian's prison reform is that it doesn't matter that she's 212 00:09:55,704 --> 00:09:59,224 Speaker 1: doing it for publicity, because particularly the women that were 213 00:09:59,424 --> 00:10:02,424 Speaker 1: sentenced for like really tiny crimes and just didn't have 214 00:10:02,464 --> 00:10:04,384 Speaker 1: the legal help or the money to sort of get 215 00:10:04,384 --> 00:10:06,904 Speaker 1: themselves out of it that have been released after twenty years. 216 00:10:06,984 --> 00:10:09,264 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to them that it's publicity, Like you 217 00:10:09,304 --> 00:10:11,384 Speaker 1: can really see the act. It's not like she's just 218 00:10:11,384 --> 00:10:13,424 Speaker 1: walking red carpets and talking about it or she's going 219 00:10:13,424 --> 00:10:16,544 Speaker 1: to fundraising events. Like there's so many women in particular 220 00:10:16,624 --> 00:10:18,704 Speaker 1: that have got out of prison when they would have 221 00:10:18,784 --> 00:10:20,384 Speaker 1: just been left out a rot and like never see 222 00:10:20,384 --> 00:10:22,944 Speaker 1: their families again because of Kim Kardashian. So I feel 223 00:10:22,984 --> 00:10:26,144 Speaker 1: like in this case, the outcome is worthy of any 224 00:10:26,264 --> 00:10:29,544 Speaker 1: kind of allegations of publicity. So I don't think it's 225 00:10:29,584 --> 00:10:32,264 Speaker 1: strange that she was there, but it seems very telling 226 00:10:32,304 --> 00:10:33,784 Speaker 1: that she was there with the actor, like she was 227 00:10:33,824 --> 00:10:36,424 Speaker 1: trying to sort of get involved in this particular case. 228 00:10:36,504 --> 00:10:39,224 Speaker 2: Right now in that specific prison. They've said that she 229 00:10:39,944 --> 00:10:42,504 Speaker 2: is working on beautifying the gardens in prison, which is 230 00:10:42,504 --> 00:10:45,664 Speaker 2: also the same project that Lyle and Eric are both working. Yeah, 231 00:10:46,104 --> 00:10:47,944 Speaker 2: so I'm not sure if she jumped on that bandwagon, 232 00:10:48,024 --> 00:10:49,984 Speaker 2: if it was just like a happy coincident. 233 00:10:50,024 --> 00:10:52,264 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's someone's brought that to her attention. It's 234 00:10:52,344 --> 00:10:55,344 Speaker 1: kind of working with the whole situation there, And also interestingly, 235 00:10:55,464 --> 00:10:58,224 Speaker 1: is like she's also extremely close to Ryan Murphy as 236 00:10:58,264 --> 00:11:00,664 Speaker 1: we know that he cast her in American Horror Story. 237 00:11:01,104 --> 00:11:04,984 Speaker 1: He made the oj Simpson TV series which also start 238 00:11:05,024 --> 00:11:08,064 Speaker 1: actors as her family, and like the younger Kardashians, kind 239 00:11:08,064 --> 00:11:10,064 Speaker 1: of got her into acting with American Horror Story. He's 240 00:11:10,104 --> 00:11:13,024 Speaker 1: now like co producing her new big TV show that's 241 00:11:13,064 --> 00:11:15,464 Speaker 1: coming out, so like they're really in business together, which 242 00:11:15,504 --> 00:11:17,424 Speaker 1: is adding another layer to this whole situation. 243 00:11:17,504 --> 00:11:19,104 Speaker 2: And I'd love to be a fly on the wall 244 00:11:19,184 --> 00:11:21,624 Speaker 2: for that little me and great. We have written a 245 00:11:21,664 --> 00:11:24,744 Speaker 2: lot about this TV show and everything that's happened behind 246 00:11:24,784 --> 00:11:27,224 Speaker 2: the scenes on making it. If you want more, we 247 00:11:27,304 --> 00:11:29,104 Speaker 2: will link those pieces in our show notes. 248 00:11:31,064 --> 00:11:41,064 Speaker 1: And well, in the words of one Emily Vernon, Katy 249 00:11:41,184 --> 00:11:44,704 Speaker 1: Perry has a new Australian enemy. Is that we're labeling this. 250 00:11:44,984 --> 00:11:46,704 Speaker 1: If you don't know where that joke's coming from, I 251 00:11:46,744 --> 00:11:49,584 Speaker 1: think everyone would know. We're talking about a couple of 252 00:11:49,664 --> 00:11:53,464 Speaker 1: years ago when Katy Perry so Catherine Hudson, the singer, 253 00:11:54,144 --> 00:11:58,304 Speaker 1: was involved in a legal battle with an Australian designer. 254 00:11:58,584 --> 00:12:02,704 Speaker 1: Katy Perry spelled Katie who is now Katie Jane Taylor 255 00:12:02,784 --> 00:12:04,624 Speaker 1: changed her name and this was to do with the 256 00:12:04,624 --> 00:12:07,344 Speaker 1: fact that Katie Jane Taylor. So the Australian version of 257 00:12:07,384 --> 00:12:11,464 Speaker 1: Katy Perry was selling and designing Hermeline under the label 258 00:12:11,544 --> 00:12:14,984 Speaker 1: Katy Perry since about two thousand and seven, and then 259 00:12:15,304 --> 00:12:19,424 Speaker 1: Catherine Hudson aka singer Katie Perry, initially fought the Australian 260 00:12:19,464 --> 00:12:22,464 Speaker 1: registration of the Katy Perry label. So it's a really 261 00:12:22,504 --> 00:12:24,664 Speaker 1: back and forth over who was going to get to 262 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:27,544 Speaker 1: use the Katy Perry name spelt differently, but still Katie 263 00:12:27,544 --> 00:12:30,544 Speaker 1: Perry brilliant in Australia exactly. All of a sudden, everyone's 264 00:12:30,544 --> 00:12:33,384 Speaker 1: super aware of the Katy Perry clothing brand, and Katy 265 00:12:33,464 --> 00:12:37,784 Speaker 1: Perry the singer later withdrew the opposition and the trademark 266 00:12:37,904 --> 00:12:41,144 Speaker 1: was registered. So but that made international headlines for a 267 00:12:41,184 --> 00:12:43,424 Speaker 1: long time, that the fact that Katy Perry was in 268 00:12:43,464 --> 00:12:46,704 Speaker 1: this legal back and forth with an Australian designer. And 269 00:12:46,744 --> 00:12:49,984 Speaker 1: now she's come back for round two. Oh god, because 270 00:12:50,064 --> 00:12:54,744 Speaker 1: Katy Perry is going to performing at the AFL Do 271 00:12:54,824 --> 00:12:55,664 Speaker 1: you want to jump in here? 272 00:12:55,704 --> 00:13:00,184 Speaker 2: She's performing at the AFL Grand Final, which is this Saturday. 273 00:13:00,424 --> 00:13:03,744 Speaker 2: It is Brisbane Lyons versus Sydney, Swan. 274 00:13:04,424 --> 00:13:06,424 Speaker 1: I shouldn't really know that because I live in Sydney 275 00:13:06,464 --> 00:13:08,224 Speaker 1: and my families in Brison. Oh, this is the game 276 00:13:08,264 --> 00:13:09,344 Speaker 1: they've all been talking about. 277 00:13:09,464 --> 00:13:11,664 Speaker 2: I get it. I get big deal because AFL is 278 00:13:11,704 --> 00:13:14,144 Speaker 2: like a Victorian sport and there's no Victorian teams yes 279 00:13:14,224 --> 00:13:16,304 Speaker 2: in the grand finals. So and they're both still playing 280 00:13:16,344 --> 00:13:17,664 Speaker 2: at the MCG, which. 281 00:13:17,504 --> 00:13:20,544 Speaker 1: Is where you always What has really come out of 282 00:13:20,544 --> 00:13:23,464 Speaker 1: this year for me personally with all of the conversation 283 00:13:23,544 --> 00:13:26,544 Speaker 1: on Katy Perry's music and her like new interviews and 284 00:13:26,584 --> 00:13:28,624 Speaker 1: her new album, is that I'm just desperate to see 285 00:13:28,624 --> 00:13:31,384 Speaker 1: that woman perform live. I just, yes, I have some 286 00:13:31,464 --> 00:13:33,624 Speaker 1: questionable thoughts about her new music. I just want to 287 00:13:35,064 --> 00:13:37,144 Speaker 1: have a spare AFL ticket. I don't even need to 288 00:13:37,184 --> 00:13:38,584 Speaker 1: stay for the game. I just want to pop in 289 00:13:38,624 --> 00:13:39,864 Speaker 1: and see Katy Perry and leave. 290 00:13:39,944 --> 00:13:41,704 Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, you're not going to get 291 00:13:41,704 --> 00:13:42,064 Speaker 2: a ticket. 292 00:13:42,744 --> 00:13:46,344 Speaker 1: We can dream. So anyway, Katy Perry is playing at 293 00:13:46,344 --> 00:13:49,904 Speaker 1: the sports event, which is really giving Super Bowl Australia vibes, 294 00:13:50,224 --> 00:13:50,544 Speaker 1: and it. 295 00:13:50,624 --> 00:13:53,104 Speaker 2: Is pretty much the Super Bowl Australia, except I feel 296 00:13:53,104 --> 00:13:56,664 Speaker 2: like when international celebrities come here to perform, they assume 297 00:13:56,704 --> 00:13:59,224 Speaker 2: it's like Super Bowl level and then are like, what is. 298 00:14:01,064 --> 00:14:03,824 Speaker 1: So, what's come out is that Katy Perry has apparently 299 00:14:03,864 --> 00:14:05,224 Speaker 1: been in a bit of a back and forth with 300 00:14:05,384 --> 00:14:08,544 Speaker 1: the AFL over the set list that she will perform 301 00:14:08,624 --> 00:14:12,824 Speaker 1: at this event. So this reported by AFL journalist Tom Morris, 302 00:14:12,824 --> 00:14:15,544 Speaker 1: first time we've quoted him on this particular podcast. So 303 00:14:15,824 --> 00:14:19,264 Speaker 1: during Tom Morris's reporting in his coverage of this very 304 00:14:19,424 --> 00:14:23,864 Speaker 1: breaking news event, AFL great Cane Korn's said, this is 305 00:14:23,904 --> 00:14:27,464 Speaker 1: a direct quote. The AFL are saying, we only want 306 00:14:27,504 --> 00:14:30,144 Speaker 1: your hits. We only want your bangers, we only want 307 00:14:30,184 --> 00:14:33,264 Speaker 1: your best stuff. We want raw, we want teenage dream, 308 00:14:33,344 --> 00:14:36,024 Speaker 1: we want firework. These are the songs we know and love. 309 00:14:36,264 --> 00:14:38,584 Speaker 1: And Katy Perry has pushed back and said, no, no, no, 310 00:14:38,624 --> 00:14:41,184 Speaker 1: I want to play two of my new songs. And 311 00:14:41,224 --> 00:14:44,024 Speaker 1: then Cane Korn's said, you know when you go to 312 00:14:44,024 --> 00:14:45,824 Speaker 1: a concert and maybe they're old and all you want 313 00:14:45,864 --> 00:14:47,784 Speaker 1: is their good stuff. You just want their greatest hits. 314 00:14:47,864 --> 00:14:50,144 Speaker 1: That's what the AFL have requested of Katy Perry, and 315 00:14:50,184 --> 00:14:52,984 Speaker 1: she's gone, no, I want to promote my new music. 316 00:14:53,664 --> 00:14:55,784 Speaker 1: And then a few of the other AFL men who 317 00:14:55,784 --> 00:14:57,904 Speaker 1: I won't name because I'm pretty sure our readers, just 318 00:14:57,944 --> 00:15:00,064 Speaker 1: like me, don't know who they are said, well, they 319 00:15:00,104 --> 00:15:02,304 Speaker 1: should have written into her contract. It's too late to 320 00:15:02,344 --> 00:15:04,264 Speaker 1: ask her something if it's not written to the contract. 321 00:15:04,584 --> 00:15:06,144 Speaker 1: In fact, they have it, Katie, You're just going to 322 00:15:06,224 --> 00:15:08,224 Speaker 1: have to come to the party. Thoughts. 323 00:15:10,464 --> 00:15:12,504 Speaker 2: I really should have been the one to bring this segment. 324 00:15:12,624 --> 00:15:13,264 Speaker 2: What do I mean? 325 00:15:13,384 --> 00:15:14,824 Speaker 1: I thought I was a great explainer. 326 00:15:15,024 --> 00:15:18,304 Speaker 2: No, you explained it. Well, I'm kind of on the 327 00:15:18,344 --> 00:15:19,704 Speaker 2: AFL side. 328 00:15:19,824 --> 00:15:22,944 Speaker 1: Hinge. Of course you are, because I'm a sports girl. 329 00:15:22,984 --> 00:15:23,304 Speaker 1: Pick me. 330 00:15:23,544 --> 00:15:28,104 Speaker 2: The people who are going to the AFL are like 331 00:15:29,064 --> 00:15:33,264 Speaker 2: crazy sports fanatics. Like they're like crazy fanatics. Like even 332 00:15:33,304 --> 00:15:34,944 Speaker 2: if I try to get a ticket, I wouldn't want 333 00:15:34,984 --> 00:15:38,904 Speaker 2: to go because I'd be insulting these people taking their spot. Okay, 334 00:15:39,264 --> 00:15:42,384 Speaker 2: so I understand why they want the hits because those 335 00:15:42,424 --> 00:15:44,184 Speaker 2: will be the only songs that the people in the 336 00:15:44,224 --> 00:15:46,584 Speaker 2: crowd would know. Okay, they're not going to be knowing 337 00:15:47,544 --> 00:15:50,184 Speaker 2: Women's World, They're not going to be knowing any other 338 00:15:50,224 --> 00:15:53,624 Speaker 2: new song she sings. They might know Swish Swish, which 339 00:15:53,664 --> 00:15:55,984 Speaker 2: I think she should have performed. And also, it's not 340 00:15:56,024 --> 00:15:58,424 Speaker 2: going to be super Bowl level, so the crowd is 341 00:15:58,464 --> 00:16:00,224 Speaker 2: not going to be that big, that into. It's not 342 00:16:00,224 --> 00:16:02,704 Speaker 2: going to be like massive celebrity. There will be Australian 343 00:16:02,704 --> 00:16:05,944 Speaker 2: celebrities going, but not like crazy a less celebrities going. 344 00:16:06,064 --> 00:16:07,944 Speaker 1: But also the woman has already done the Super Bowl 345 00:16:07,984 --> 00:16:09,944 Speaker 1: halftime show and she did like a great job, so 346 00:16:09,944 --> 00:16:12,264 Speaker 1: she's there. She had that performance level, or she can 347 00:16:12,344 --> 00:16:14,504 Speaker 1: tone it down, so she want to sing two new 348 00:16:14,624 --> 00:16:18,904 Speaker 1: songs and it'd be absolutely drop dead silence in the state. 349 00:16:19,504 --> 00:16:22,104 Speaker 1: I just think looking at from her perspective, like I said, 350 00:16:22,104 --> 00:16:24,184 Speaker 1: I think Katy Perry has got some bangers, and if 351 00:16:24,224 --> 00:16:26,464 Speaker 1: I was going to this sporting event, wherever it may 352 00:16:26,464 --> 00:16:28,504 Speaker 1: be in the world, I would love to see her 353 00:16:28,544 --> 00:16:30,864 Speaker 1: play all her hits. But at the same time, she's 354 00:16:30,904 --> 00:16:33,464 Speaker 1: a business. She's got a new album like one four 355 00:16:33,464 --> 00:16:35,504 Speaker 1: to three, her new studio album has just come out. 356 00:16:35,864 --> 00:16:38,544 Speaker 1: The reviews are bad, which I think is kind of 357 00:16:38,624 --> 00:16:40,584 Speaker 1: separate too. I think everyone's kind of really jumped in 358 00:16:40,624 --> 00:16:43,544 Speaker 1: this whole Katy Perry hate train, which is why this 359 00:16:43,584 --> 00:16:47,304 Speaker 1: story has been picked up so intensely today. Like normally 360 00:16:47,584 --> 00:16:50,384 Speaker 1: most people wouldn't be that interested in the setlist back 361 00:16:50,424 --> 00:16:53,144 Speaker 1: and forth between a singer and a football game, but 362 00:16:53,144 --> 00:16:55,184 Speaker 1: it's just because people are just like they just love 363 00:16:55,184 --> 00:16:57,864 Speaker 1: when a very famous woman is getting piled on, and 364 00:16:57,944 --> 00:16:59,664 Speaker 1: so I think a lot of people are jumping on that, 365 00:16:59,744 --> 00:17:01,944 Speaker 1: which is separate to the actual music critics that have 366 00:17:02,024 --> 00:17:04,424 Speaker 1: written like really thoughtful pieces and don't like it. That's 367 00:17:04,424 --> 00:17:07,384 Speaker 1: a separate thing. So she's got a new album to promote, 368 00:17:07,544 --> 00:17:09,504 Speaker 1: and I totally understand why she might want to push 369 00:17:09,584 --> 00:17:11,904 Speaker 1: it with two songs and say I'll do one Like 370 00:17:11,904 --> 00:17:13,904 Speaker 1: that's not That's what all artists do when they have 371 00:17:13,984 --> 00:17:16,784 Speaker 1: new music, and they do promo events like this to 372 00:17:16,904 --> 00:17:18,624 Speaker 1: get their new album out, And the whole point of 373 00:17:18,664 --> 00:17:20,224 Speaker 1: them doing that is to say I'll play a few 374 00:17:20,344 --> 00:17:22,264 Speaker 1: hits and I'll play the new music so you can 375 00:17:22,304 --> 00:17:24,544 Speaker 1: hear it, and that's how they build their business in 376 00:17:24,584 --> 00:17:27,744 Speaker 1: their career. Like, she's not crazy, No, okay, I understand 377 00:17:27,744 --> 00:17:28,264 Speaker 1: that point. 378 00:17:28,464 --> 00:17:31,864 Speaker 2: But now, because this is so well known the story, 379 00:17:32,184 --> 00:17:34,544 Speaker 2: I just know when she sings that new song, they're 380 00:17:34,544 --> 00:17:37,064 Speaker 2: going to be zooming in on like middle aged men's faces, 381 00:17:37,104 --> 00:17:38,304 Speaker 2: going what the hell is this? 382 00:17:38,584 --> 00:17:40,144 Speaker 1: I think they should be so lucky to see Katy 383 00:17:40,184 --> 00:17:41,384 Speaker 1: Perry live, is all I'm saying. 384 00:17:41,424 --> 00:17:42,744 Speaker 2: Oh, you know what I think she should do. She 385 00:17:42,784 --> 00:17:45,704 Speaker 2: should do what Robbie Williams did in twenty twenty two. 386 00:17:45,704 --> 00:17:47,304 Speaker 1: Why what was that? 387 00:17:48,184 --> 00:17:51,784 Speaker 2: So Robbie Williams played at the twenty twenty two AFL 388 00:17:51,824 --> 00:17:55,224 Speaker 2: Grand Final. He's actually an AFL fan, like he's actually 389 00:17:55,304 --> 00:17:57,824 Speaker 2: a massive supporter of Carlton, so he was having the 390 00:17:57,864 --> 00:18:01,064 Speaker 2: best time. He knew exactly what to do. He had 391 00:18:01,104 --> 00:18:03,864 Speaker 2: to play one of his new songs, which I feel 392 00:18:03,904 --> 00:18:06,584 Speaker 2: like he personally didn't want to do because like the 393 00:18:06,624 --> 00:18:09,144 Speaker 2: crowd just wanted the bangers, as you know, but he 394 00:18:09,224 --> 00:18:11,624 Speaker 2: actually said on the my sorry, I have to do 395 00:18:11,704 --> 00:18:15,944 Speaker 2: the obligatory new song. So he grabbed the guitar, he 396 00:18:15,984 --> 00:18:17,584 Speaker 2: sang a few lines, did and even sing the whole song, 397 00:18:17,624 --> 00:18:19,544 Speaker 2: and then immediately went in too, let me entertain you. 398 00:18:19,864 --> 00:18:22,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a way to do it. I think that Katie, 399 00:18:22,464 --> 00:18:24,264 Speaker 1: that's what she should do. She should come out with raw, 400 00:18:24,384 --> 00:18:27,184 Speaker 1: break the Fourth Wall, and then Teenage Dream, and then 401 00:18:27,224 --> 00:18:29,344 Speaker 1: she plays Woman's World, which I'm gonna say, I know 402 00:18:29,424 --> 00:18:31,104 Speaker 1: all the words to again, someone get me new ticket, 403 00:18:31,104 --> 00:18:33,944 Speaker 1: I will sing along, and then she ends with Firework. 404 00:18:34,184 --> 00:18:36,104 Speaker 1: That's how she does it, Like, that's what she should be. 405 00:18:36,024 --> 00:18:38,864 Speaker 2: Doing, and I think she should just be really appreciative 406 00:18:39,304 --> 00:18:42,064 Speaker 2: of this opportunity. So I have a fun fact for 407 00:18:42,144 --> 00:18:44,184 Speaker 2: people who don't watch sports. Also, I'm sorry if I 408 00:18:44,224 --> 00:18:46,304 Speaker 2: get this wrong because I'm also new at the sporting world. 409 00:18:46,584 --> 00:18:51,144 Speaker 2: But in AFL, like each player has their own song, 410 00:18:51,944 --> 00:18:54,104 Speaker 2: so really so if they kick a goal, they'll play 411 00:18:54,144 --> 00:18:56,024 Speaker 2: a song of their choice. That's air song. 412 00:18:56,504 --> 00:18:57,984 Speaker 1: So many of them. 413 00:18:57,944 --> 00:18:59,184 Speaker 2: Have Katie Perry bangers. 414 00:18:59,424 --> 00:19:00,904 Speaker 1: Really, that's great. 415 00:19:00,944 --> 00:19:01,544 Speaker 2: It isn't cure. 416 00:19:01,624 --> 00:19:04,584 Speaker 1: See she deserves to be there. That is a truly 417 00:19:04,584 --> 00:19:06,024 Speaker 1: fun fact. Emily vote. We'll done. 418 00:19:06,104 --> 00:19:08,464 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much for listening to the 419 00:19:08,544 --> 00:19:11,624 Speaker 2: Spill today. If you want some record commendations from movies 420 00:19:11,704 --> 00:19:14,424 Speaker 2: and TV shows or even books, we will be putting 421 00:19:14,424 --> 00:19:16,064 Speaker 2: a link in our show notes to some of the 422 00:19:16,144 --> 00:19:19,784 Speaker 2: recent episodes we did. Thank you to our producer Kimberly 423 00:19:19,784 --> 00:19:22,584 Speaker 2: Bradish and our audio production by Scott Stronik. We will 424 00:19:22,624 --> 00:19:25,424 Speaker 2: be back here in your podcast speed at three pm tomorrow. 425 00:19:25,464 --> 00:19:31,864 Speaker 1: Bye bye bye