1 00:00:10,385 --> 00:00:10,705 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:15,265 Speaker 2: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges 3 00:00:15,305 --> 00:00:18,345 Speaker 2: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 4 00:00:18,465 --> 00:00:19,385 Speaker 2: is recorded on. 5 00:00:20,545 --> 00:00:22,065 Speaker 1: Makeup is My Therapy. 6 00:00:22,265 --> 00:00:25,265 Speaker 2: I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I'm don't even feel 7 00:00:25,345 --> 00:00:30,705 Speaker 2: jailty about it. Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the 8 00:00:30,865 --> 00:00:34,585 Speaker 2: daily podcast for Your Face. I'm Aaron Dougherty and welcome 9 00:00:34,825 --> 00:00:37,505 Speaker 2: to the formula. Welcome back. We're back in your ears 10 00:00:37,545 --> 00:00:41,625 Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five, and I have got such a 11 00:00:41,665 --> 00:00:44,145 Speaker 2: great show for you today. Firstly, I hope you enjoyed 12 00:00:44,145 --> 00:00:47,425 Speaker 2: our summer content where we talked about everything from summer 13 00:00:47,465 --> 00:00:51,585 Speaker 2: skin tips, our makeup and skincare resolutions, which we're definitely 14 00:00:51,625 --> 00:00:54,545 Speaker 2: going to keep, I promise, and what's trending in twenty 15 00:00:54,585 --> 00:00:56,745 Speaker 2: twenty five. And if you're one of the really lucky 16 00:00:56,785 --> 00:00:59,745 Speaker 2: people who were on holiday and you've missed everything, we're 17 00:00:59,785 --> 00:01:01,945 Speaker 2: going to pop a link in the show notes go 18 00:01:01,985 --> 00:01:04,505 Speaker 2: and take a listen to all our great you Beauty 19 00:01:04,705 --> 00:01:07,905 Speaker 2: summer content. Today, we're going to start the show off 20 00:01:08,065 --> 00:01:12,705 Speaker 2: with a bang. I have dermatologist Dr Ryan D'Cruz stopping 21 00:01:12,745 --> 00:01:15,585 Speaker 2: BIFO chat and I'm so excited because I don't want 22 00:01:15,585 --> 00:01:18,705 Speaker 2: to brag, but Dr Ryan and I go way back. 23 00:01:18,945 --> 00:01:21,945 Speaker 2: We actually both attended an event with Sarah V in 24 00:01:22,065 --> 00:01:24,705 Speaker 2: New York the other year, and I can confirm he 25 00:01:24,825 --> 00:01:27,185 Speaker 2: knows a thing or two about skin. Working In his 26 00:01:27,265 --> 00:01:33,225 Speaker 2: clinic in Melbourne, Dr Ryan tackles everything from exama to acne, rosatia, psoriasis, 27 00:01:33,425 --> 00:01:37,385 Speaker 2: laser treatments, and even hair loss disorders. Today, we're going 28 00:01:37,465 --> 00:01:41,265 Speaker 2: to be grilling him on all things post summer skin recovery, 29 00:01:41,465 --> 00:01:45,785 Speaker 2: from hyperpigmentation to redness, dark spots, and everything in between. 30 00:01:46,305 --> 00:01:48,585 Speaker 2: We're gonna ask him his tips on how to nab 31 00:01:48,625 --> 00:01:52,585 Speaker 2: yourself clear, glowing and healthy looking skin, including the three 32 00:01:52,585 --> 00:01:55,785 Speaker 2: products everyone you'd have in their skincare routine and the 33 00:01:55,945 --> 00:01:59,985 Speaker 2: wildly overrated treatment. Dr Ryan thinks you're wasting your money 34 00:01:59,985 --> 00:02:00,705 Speaker 2: on you. 35 00:02:00,705 --> 00:02:04,265 Speaker 1: Are such beautiful skin, but how. 36 00:02:05,625 --> 00:02:08,025 Speaker 2: Doctor Ryan, Thank you so much for coming on the 37 00:02:08,065 --> 00:02:08,625 Speaker 2: show today. 38 00:02:08,625 --> 00:02:09,425 Speaker 1: It's a new year. 39 00:02:09,865 --> 00:02:10,985 Speaker 2: We're so stoked to have you. 40 00:02:11,185 --> 00:02:13,385 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for inviting me. It's super exciting. 41 00:02:13,465 --> 00:02:15,825 Speaker 2: We have all of the questions to ask you all 42 00:02:15,865 --> 00:02:19,305 Speaker 2: about post summer skin, dealing with all the skin issues 43 00:02:19,345 --> 00:02:21,905 Speaker 2: that we may or may not have accrued over the 44 00:02:21,985 --> 00:02:24,585 Speaker 2: Christmas period. I want to dive right into it. What 45 00:02:24,825 --> 00:02:27,505 Speaker 2: are some of the most common signs of skin damage 46 00:02:27,545 --> 00:02:29,585 Speaker 2: that you see after summer? 47 00:02:29,985 --> 00:02:33,105 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's fair to say that Australians love summer. 48 00:02:33,265 --> 00:02:36,225 Speaker 1: We are at beach going nation. We love when we 49 00:02:36,265 --> 00:02:38,825 Speaker 1: have Christmas. It's that time to spend with our family 50 00:02:38,825 --> 00:02:42,065 Speaker 1: and friends. It's all outdoors or largely outdoors. And I 51 00:02:42,145 --> 00:02:45,625 Speaker 1: definitely think we see the effects of sun post summer 52 00:02:45,745 --> 00:02:49,465 Speaker 1: in terms of dry skin, sun burnt skin, and pigmentation. 53 00:02:49,905 --> 00:02:52,305 Speaker 1: So they're the most common concerns that I will be 54 00:02:52,345 --> 00:02:55,225 Speaker 1: asked about and I see on a daily basis. And 55 00:02:55,345 --> 00:02:57,905 Speaker 1: even though we're so many years into the slip slop 56 00:02:57,905 --> 00:03:00,985 Speaker 1: slap kind of messaging era, I still see a lot 57 00:03:01,025 --> 00:03:03,585 Speaker 1: of patients coming in with, you know, freshly sun burnt 58 00:03:03,585 --> 00:03:04,185 Speaker 1: skin and it. 59 00:03:04,105 --> 00:03:06,345 Speaker 2: Really kills me, really hurts when you see it. 60 00:03:06,865 --> 00:03:10,865 Speaker 1: Absolutely that lobs to pink skin, sheets of peeling, and 61 00:03:10,945 --> 00:03:13,265 Speaker 1: I think to myself, go, surely we're past this. But 62 00:03:13,305 --> 00:03:16,625 Speaker 1: the reality is that still so many Australians don't actually 63 00:03:16,705 --> 00:03:20,465 Speaker 1: apply their sunscreen regularly or effectively. And I think the 64 00:03:20,505 --> 00:03:23,145 Speaker 1: statistics are something like seven out of ten Australians we've 65 00:03:23,185 --> 00:03:26,465 Speaker 1: got sunburnt in the last week alone, and of course 66 00:03:26,465 --> 00:03:28,385 Speaker 1: it's you know, peak summer. This is something that we 67 00:03:28,385 --> 00:03:29,265 Speaker 1: should all be thinking. 68 00:03:29,065 --> 00:03:31,625 Speaker 2: About definitely, and I think, I mean, we'll get into 69 00:03:31,665 --> 00:03:34,065 Speaker 2: it later. But there's so many great products out at 70 00:03:34,065 --> 00:03:38,825 Speaker 2: the moment for sunscreen, Like it's just impossible to almost 71 00:03:38,865 --> 00:03:41,625 Speaker 2: not wear sunscreen. Now, there's something for everyone. I just 72 00:03:41,625 --> 00:03:43,905 Speaker 2: want to touch you on hyperpigmentation a little bit. You 73 00:03:43,985 --> 00:03:47,545 Speaker 2: mentioned that why does that come out during summer? 74 00:03:47,825 --> 00:03:49,305 Speaker 1: It might sound ob is, but to a lot of 75 00:03:49,345 --> 00:03:53,145 Speaker 1: people don't kind of realize that UV radiation and white light, 76 00:03:53,225 --> 00:03:56,705 Speaker 1: which are both emitted by the sun, are very stimulatory 77 00:03:56,785 --> 00:04:00,545 Speaker 1: not only to our immune system, but also to our melanocytes. Now, 78 00:04:00,745 --> 00:04:02,625 Speaker 1: believe it or not, you and I have the same 79 00:04:02,745 --> 00:04:06,305 Speaker 1: number of melanocytes. It's just that minor really very very 80 00:04:06,305 --> 00:04:08,985 Speaker 1: active and produce a lot of milanosomes, which give me 81 00:04:08,985 --> 00:04:11,745 Speaker 1: my skin color, and yours are a little less active. 82 00:04:11,505 --> 00:04:14,105 Speaker 2: Show maybe like a blue purple. 83 00:04:15,865 --> 00:04:18,225 Speaker 1: Now, the thing is that these UV radiation and white 84 00:04:18,305 --> 00:04:21,745 Speaker 1: light stimulates the melano sites to produce more melanosomes, which 85 00:04:21,785 --> 00:04:24,585 Speaker 1: is what contains our melanin. So that's the pigment, and 86 00:04:24,625 --> 00:04:27,665 Speaker 1: those melanosomes travel up through the skin to give us 87 00:04:27,665 --> 00:04:31,025 Speaker 1: that immediate tanning, but they can also stay there and 88 00:04:31,065 --> 00:04:33,785 Speaker 1: remain in clumps, and that's what we'll call sun freckling 89 00:04:33,905 --> 00:04:37,265 Speaker 1: or solo antigenies. These sort of solo antigenies, they can 90 00:04:37,425 --> 00:04:40,305 Speaker 1: maybe get slightly larger and slightly darker over time, but 91 00:04:40,385 --> 00:04:42,825 Speaker 1: once they are there, they're sort of there to stay. 92 00:04:43,545 --> 00:04:45,945 Speaker 1: The other really common concern is that of malasma, which 93 00:04:45,945 --> 00:04:48,505 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard about and many many people suffer from. 94 00:04:48,545 --> 00:04:51,625 Speaker 1: And this is a very complex condition. It's actually truly 95 00:04:51,745 --> 00:04:56,105 Speaker 1: medical condition. That's the combination of hormonal influences, genetic influences, 96 00:04:56,425 --> 00:04:59,145 Speaker 1: and sun exposure and white light exposure. So there are 97 00:04:59,225 --> 00:05:03,345 Speaker 1: various different types of pigmentation, the solar antigenies or sun freckling, 98 00:05:03,545 --> 00:05:06,785 Speaker 1: just the gradual tanning that we achieve, and malasma, and 99 00:05:06,825 --> 00:05:08,505 Speaker 1: sometimes it can be a combination. 100 00:05:08,105 --> 00:05:10,665 Speaker 2: Of these, I think, because yeah, it is so confusing 101 00:05:10,705 --> 00:05:13,185 Speaker 2: because you look at hyperpigmentation, then you've got my list, man, 102 00:05:13,225 --> 00:05:15,465 Speaker 2: You're like, OK, they're there the same things. If someone 103 00:05:15,465 --> 00:05:18,505 Speaker 2: wants to tackle these kind of post summer skin issues, 104 00:05:19,105 --> 00:05:21,785 Speaker 2: what should their first steps be and what are the 105 00:05:21,785 --> 00:05:25,105 Speaker 2: biggest mistakes that you see people making to try and 106 00:05:25,305 --> 00:05:26,425 Speaker 2: quickly treat their skin. 107 00:05:26,825 --> 00:05:29,185 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think having a good understanding of the 108 00:05:29,305 --> 00:05:32,265 Speaker 1: exact diagnosis or the type of pigmentation that you have 109 00:05:32,425 --> 00:05:35,785 Speaker 1: is very critical because it also depends on where in 110 00:05:35,785 --> 00:05:37,865 Speaker 1: the level of the skin your pigment is sitting. Whether 111 00:05:37,865 --> 00:05:40,305 Speaker 1: it's sitting up in the epidermis, which is more superficial, 112 00:05:40,385 --> 00:05:43,505 Speaker 1: or deeper in the dermis. The treatment options are completely different. 113 00:05:44,185 --> 00:05:48,185 Speaker 1: Seeing a dermal clinician, a skin aesthetic doctor, a dermatologist, 114 00:05:48,185 --> 00:05:50,785 Speaker 1: someone to give you a good idea of what's going 115 00:05:50,825 --> 00:05:53,905 Speaker 1: on rather than just simply turning onto our socials and 116 00:05:53,905 --> 00:05:56,345 Speaker 1: trying to self diagnose, I think is the first step, 117 00:05:56,985 --> 00:05:58,985 Speaker 1: and then the second step is to actually sit back 118 00:05:59,025 --> 00:06:01,625 Speaker 1: and go all right, well, what treatment am I being 119 00:06:01,825 --> 00:06:05,745 Speaker 1: prescribed or recommended and why? Because a lot of the 120 00:06:05,785 --> 00:06:10,185 Speaker 1: treatments that purport to have a quick fix capability often 121 00:06:10,545 --> 00:06:15,745 Speaker 1: either incredibly harsh, incredibly expensive, or associated with a significant rebound. 122 00:06:15,865 --> 00:06:18,225 Speaker 1: So people will often drop I don't know, one to 123 00:06:18,305 --> 00:06:21,145 Speaker 1: three thousand dollars on a skin treatment. You know, it's 124 00:06:21,185 --> 00:06:24,305 Speaker 1: not uncommon for patients to have presented to me having 125 00:06:24,345 --> 00:06:26,785 Speaker 1: dropped that sort of money, but their pigmentation has just 126 00:06:26,865 --> 00:06:29,425 Speaker 1: come right back because a lot of these quick fixed 127 00:06:29,425 --> 00:06:31,105 Speaker 1: treatments are very short term. 128 00:06:31,305 --> 00:06:34,305 Speaker 2: What about at home skincare treatments. Do you see a 129 00:06:34,305 --> 00:06:37,225 Speaker 2: lot of people coming into the clinic saying, but I've 130 00:06:37,305 --> 00:06:39,145 Speaker 2: used XYZ, I've tried everything. 131 00:06:39,265 --> 00:06:40,865 Speaker 1: Certainly, so I think a lot of people already know 132 00:06:40,905 --> 00:06:43,505 Speaker 1: about the benefits of vitamin C for example, and use 133 00:06:43,545 --> 00:06:46,385 Speaker 1: of that for hyperpigmentation. And we're going to come to sunscreen, 134 00:06:46,425 --> 00:06:49,625 Speaker 1: I know. But I think overexfoliating or use of very 135 00:06:49,665 --> 00:06:52,825 Speaker 1: harsh ingredients that contain upwards of ten to twenty percent 136 00:06:52,905 --> 00:06:55,425 Speaker 1: alph hydroxy acids be to hydroxy acids. Almost trying to 137 00:06:55,425 --> 00:06:59,465 Speaker 1: scrub away that pigmentation, which then really damages our skin barrier, 138 00:07:00,025 --> 00:07:02,385 Speaker 1: is a very common problem. I guess they're trying to, yeah, 139 00:07:02,425 --> 00:07:03,265 Speaker 1: cleanse away, the. 140 00:07:03,865 --> 00:07:06,945 Speaker 2: Science clended away. They're like, let me just scrub it right. 141 00:07:06,825 --> 00:07:09,625 Speaker 1: Off, yeah, which clearly just doesn't happen, and often call 142 00:07:09,985 --> 00:07:13,145 Speaker 1: worsening of pigmentation, inflammation and the skin barrier. 143 00:07:13,265 --> 00:07:15,305 Speaker 2: That would be similar to acne as well. I guess 144 00:07:15,425 --> 00:07:17,625 Speaker 2: a lot of acne prim patients would do the same thing. 145 00:07:17,785 --> 00:07:21,345 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Overexfoliation in the acne cohort is rife, and I 146 00:07:21,465 --> 00:07:23,665 Speaker 1: think their skin barrier is often very very delicate, and 147 00:07:23,865 --> 00:07:26,105 Speaker 1: they're so sensitive because of all of the skin care 148 00:07:26,105 --> 00:07:27,265 Speaker 1: products that they've used at home. 149 00:07:27,385 --> 00:07:29,305 Speaker 2: I think, as you say, when you look at social media, 150 00:07:29,345 --> 00:07:32,385 Speaker 2: there's so much out there and so many products, so 151 00:07:32,385 --> 00:07:36,265 Speaker 2: many actives, and overuse is just such a common thing 152 00:07:36,345 --> 00:07:36,705 Speaker 2: right now. 153 00:07:36,785 --> 00:07:40,705 Speaker 1: It's over usage. It's very confusing, overwhelming for anyone. And 154 00:07:40,745 --> 00:07:43,505 Speaker 1: you see all of these obviously very heavily edited and 155 00:07:43,545 --> 00:07:46,385 Speaker 1: filtered photos, and all you want is that skin, and 156 00:07:46,425 --> 00:07:48,625 Speaker 1: then of course it's associated with a product that someone's 157 00:07:48,625 --> 00:07:50,505 Speaker 1: trying to promote. It's very difficult, I think, to be 158 00:07:50,625 --> 00:07:52,505 Speaker 1: a consumer in twenty twenty five. 159 00:07:52,745 --> 00:07:55,145 Speaker 2: But that's why we've got you on this shade. Tell me, 160 00:07:55,305 --> 00:07:59,625 Speaker 2: can all types of sun damage, whether it's pigmentation, elasma, 161 00:07:59,905 --> 00:08:03,465 Speaker 2: can these be reversed? Like what kind of limitations do 162 00:08:03,505 --> 00:08:05,545 Speaker 2: you have when it comes to skincare? 163 00:08:05,825 --> 00:08:09,425 Speaker 1: Yes, really good question. I think when you have mild pigmentation, 164 00:08:09,785 --> 00:08:14,105 Speaker 1: mild freckling, mild molasma, and a tanning or blotchy skin 165 00:08:14,225 --> 00:08:16,265 Speaker 1: that you're not super happy with, that's where skin care 166 00:08:16,265 --> 00:08:18,665 Speaker 1: can play a role. I think skin care is far 167 00:08:18,705 --> 00:08:22,105 Speaker 1: better as a preventative rather than a cure or a treatment. 168 00:08:22,225 --> 00:08:23,745 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people will reach for 169 00:08:23,745 --> 00:08:26,905 Speaker 1: skincare hoping that it'll be the holy grail and completely 170 00:08:26,945 --> 00:08:29,465 Speaker 1: you know, depigment their skin, and the reality is it 171 00:08:29,505 --> 00:08:31,865 Speaker 1: just can't. It just doesn't. It's not strong enough. Many 172 00:08:31,865 --> 00:08:34,385 Speaker 1: of our products that we've had available to date just 173 00:08:34,585 --> 00:08:38,425 Speaker 1: really can't compete with prescription therapies or laser based therapies, 174 00:08:38,425 --> 00:08:40,785 Speaker 1: and that's just a fact. But I think the idea 175 00:08:40,865 --> 00:08:43,185 Speaker 1: is that having a good skincare routine as a basis 176 00:08:43,305 --> 00:08:46,065 Speaker 1: heading into summer is a really good idea, and then 177 00:08:46,145 --> 00:08:48,985 Speaker 1: any pigmentation that's sort of residual after that may need 178 00:08:49,025 --> 00:08:52,065 Speaker 1: more specific targeted therapies that you'd need on prescription or 179 00:08:52,585 --> 00:08:53,425 Speaker 1: in clinic. 180 00:08:53,305 --> 00:08:55,945 Speaker 2: We've obviously touched on post summer skin. But I'm just 181 00:08:56,025 --> 00:08:59,145 Speaker 2: curious what other kind of skin concerns do you see 182 00:08:59,625 --> 00:09:02,105 Speaker 2: walking through your clinic doors on the regular. Has there 183 00:09:02,145 --> 00:09:03,585 Speaker 2: been like an uptick in anything. 184 00:09:03,865 --> 00:09:06,785 Speaker 1: Something that's probably not spoken about that frequently is that 185 00:09:06,825 --> 00:09:09,265 Speaker 1: there's a number of skin conditions that can be triggered 186 00:09:09,305 --> 00:09:12,865 Speaker 1: by some or actually aggravated by sun exposure, and patients 187 00:09:12,905 --> 00:09:15,665 Speaker 1: really suffer. So patients who might have a type of 188 00:09:15,745 --> 00:09:19,185 Speaker 1: exema called photo exacerbated XMA so they literally get worse 189 00:09:19,425 --> 00:09:21,905 Speaker 1: over summer. Now, we often think of the summer time 190 00:09:21,985 --> 00:09:24,545 Speaker 1: the sun the salt water is being very helpful for 191 00:09:24,585 --> 00:09:27,345 Speaker 1: skin conditions, and it certainly can be for some, but 192 00:09:27,385 --> 00:09:29,465 Speaker 1: there are a number of patients who have conditions like 193 00:09:29,545 --> 00:09:33,145 Speaker 1: PMLA or polymorphic light eruption, who actually summers the worst 194 00:09:33,185 --> 00:09:35,265 Speaker 1: time of year for them because they've got this genetic 195 00:09:35,345 --> 00:09:38,745 Speaker 1: or innate sensitivity to sunlight. So I do see a 196 00:09:38,825 --> 00:09:40,625 Speaker 1: number of patients go, oh, you know, I can only 197 00:09:40,665 --> 00:09:42,665 Speaker 1: spend five or ten minutes in the sun before I'm 198 00:09:42,865 --> 00:09:46,225 Speaker 1: either blistering or I'm super sore or super itchy. So 199 00:09:46,265 --> 00:09:48,425 Speaker 1: that we see a lot of those more sun induced 200 00:09:48,465 --> 00:09:50,185 Speaker 1: conditions coming out this time of year. 201 00:09:50,305 --> 00:09:52,785 Speaker 2: That's so interesting because you look at winter and you're like, oh, 202 00:09:52,785 --> 00:09:55,145 Speaker 2: that's when all this bad skin conditions come out, and 203 00:09:55,185 --> 00:10:05,865 Speaker 2: then just kidding it year round. I mean, what is 204 00:10:05,905 --> 00:10:06,865 Speaker 2: your self care it to? 205 00:10:06,865 --> 00:10:08,425 Speaker 1: You give us the dirty dig. 206 00:10:10,905 --> 00:10:14,025 Speaker 2: Put me through what you like using during summer? What's 207 00:10:14,105 --> 00:10:17,625 Speaker 2: actually in a dermatologist's skincare coupled. 208 00:10:17,425 --> 00:10:19,585 Speaker 1: Well, I think the first thing, I mean, particularly you 209 00:10:19,625 --> 00:10:21,705 Speaker 1: are and we'll note that the products that I've brought 210 00:10:21,705 --> 00:10:25,105 Speaker 1: in are not particularly expensive I really don't subscribe to 211 00:10:25,345 --> 00:10:27,705 Speaker 1: putting in a lot of money into skincare. I think 212 00:10:27,905 --> 00:10:30,745 Speaker 1: you're allowed to splurge on one or two hero ingredients, 213 00:10:30,785 --> 00:10:33,625 Speaker 1: certainly those that have good evidence behind them. But I 214 00:10:33,625 --> 00:10:36,105 Speaker 1: think when it comes to skincare, in many cases, less 215 00:10:36,185 --> 00:10:38,745 Speaker 1: is more, and I think it's about using tried and 216 00:10:38,785 --> 00:10:42,025 Speaker 1: tested ingredients that don't irritate and certainly don't cost a bomb. 217 00:10:42,105 --> 00:10:43,945 Speaker 1: So the sort of products that you're seeing here on 218 00:10:44,025 --> 00:10:45,705 Speaker 1: the table are the products that I have in my 219 00:10:45,745 --> 00:10:47,465 Speaker 1: own home. It's the ones that I recommend to my 220 00:10:47,505 --> 00:10:50,025 Speaker 1: wife and my kids, and this is what I really like. 221 00:10:50,105 --> 00:10:51,905 Speaker 1: So I think you would be remissive us not to 222 00:10:51,905 --> 00:10:55,225 Speaker 1: talk about sunscreen over summer, and sunscreen is a very 223 00:10:55,345 --> 00:10:59,425 Speaker 1: controversial topic. There's a lot of very active voices on 224 00:10:59,505 --> 00:11:03,585 Speaker 1: social media that critique chemical sunscreens and really, you know, 225 00:11:03,745 --> 00:11:05,865 Speaker 1: suggest that they're the devil. There are others that really 226 00:11:05,905 --> 00:11:09,065 Speaker 1: believe very strongly that physical blockers are very much superior. 227 00:11:09,945 --> 00:11:11,545 Speaker 1: Like to set the record straight here. 228 00:11:11,465 --> 00:11:13,545 Speaker 2: I would love you too, because it's scary out there. 229 00:11:13,505 --> 00:11:16,585 Speaker 1: Right now, really scary. So the idea behind a physical 230 00:11:16,585 --> 00:11:19,745 Speaker 1: blocker like titanium or zinc is that they're very, very 231 00:11:19,745 --> 00:11:22,225 Speaker 1: effective sunscreens. That's why they've been around for so long. 232 00:11:22,465 --> 00:11:25,985 Speaker 1: They reflect UV radiation and that's what protects our underlying 233 00:11:26,025 --> 00:11:29,305 Speaker 1: skin cells and our DNA. Of course, the problem with 234 00:11:29,545 --> 00:11:33,145 Speaker 1: metal based sunscreens is the texture. They're thick, they're greasy, 235 00:11:33,185 --> 00:11:35,665 Speaker 1: and there are very very few formulations out there on 236 00:11:35,705 --> 00:11:38,865 Speaker 1: the market that are cosmetically elegant. But they have good 237 00:11:38,865 --> 00:11:41,865 Speaker 1: sticking factor. So when you've applied zinc, it's likely that 238 00:11:41,945 --> 00:11:44,065 Speaker 1: even a few hours later, that sink will still be there. 239 00:11:44,145 --> 00:11:46,505 Speaker 1: I mean, we should still be reapplying it. But the 240 00:11:46,545 --> 00:11:49,545 Speaker 1: idea behind it a physical blocker is that it sticks 241 00:11:49,585 --> 00:11:53,265 Speaker 1: really well and it reflects the radiation. Chemical filters or 242 00:11:53,305 --> 00:11:55,905 Speaker 1: chemical sunscreens have got a really bad rap over the 243 00:11:55,985 --> 00:11:59,025 Speaker 1: last i'd say five years, and I think undeservedly. So 244 00:11:59,825 --> 00:12:02,145 Speaker 1: there's a lot of very good filters that have been 245 00:12:02,225 --> 00:12:07,585 Speaker 1: chemically engineered by very expert chemists such that they not 246 00:12:07,625 --> 00:12:10,465 Speaker 1: only provide very good SPA fifty plus part, but they're 247 00:12:10,465 --> 00:12:14,465 Speaker 1: also hypoalergenic. Now, many of the old iterations of the 248 00:12:14,625 --> 00:12:17,665 Speaker 1: chemical filters often triggered skin allergy, and that's where I 249 00:12:17,705 --> 00:12:20,625 Speaker 1: think they've been demonized. So a lot of people say, look, 250 00:12:20,625 --> 00:12:24,025 Speaker 1: I use this chemical sunscreen and my skin flares are 251 00:12:24,465 --> 00:12:27,025 Speaker 1: and so I believe them that there are certain sunscreens 252 00:12:27,025 --> 00:12:29,785 Speaker 1: certainly that can cause allergy, but they don't all and 253 00:12:29,825 --> 00:12:33,185 Speaker 1: it's about finding the right products. The other important factor, mention, 254 00:12:33,385 --> 00:12:36,265 Speaker 1: is that some chemical sunscreens will have fragrances in it 255 00:12:36,385 --> 00:12:39,065 Speaker 1: or preservatives in it, and it's those ingredients that are 256 00:12:39,065 --> 00:12:42,945 Speaker 1: actually triggering the skin allergy rather than the sunscreen. So 257 00:12:42,985 --> 00:12:45,865 Speaker 1: there's no good science that really proves that a physical 258 00:12:45,865 --> 00:12:50,225 Speaker 1: blocker is superior than a chemical blocker at preventing UV 259 00:12:50,425 --> 00:12:54,505 Speaker 1: radiation if they're applied generously and properly and reapplied. And 260 00:12:54,505 --> 00:12:57,385 Speaker 1: that's the big problem. No one is reapplying the sunscreen 261 00:12:57,465 --> 00:12:59,585 Speaker 1: on a regular basis, and we know that. We all 262 00:12:59,625 --> 00:13:00,585 Speaker 1: sort of tell us, like. 263 00:13:00,545 --> 00:13:02,865 Speaker 2: I see your skin, I've looked at the concerns that 264 00:13:02,945 --> 00:13:04,025 Speaker 2: maybe you're not reapplying. 265 00:13:04,145 --> 00:13:08,345 Speaker 1: That's right. So I personally love a good chemical sunscreen 266 00:13:08,425 --> 00:13:11,505 Speaker 1: that is inert, that is fragrance free. So you really 267 00:13:11,545 --> 00:13:13,305 Speaker 1: can't go past the ones that I've got here. So 268 00:13:13,385 --> 00:13:16,025 Speaker 1: of course, Sarah, we have a beautiful facial moisturizing lotion 269 00:13:16,185 --> 00:13:18,785 Speaker 1: and that is SPF fifty, So this is an ideal 270 00:13:18,825 --> 00:13:21,745 Speaker 1: product for daily usage. It's the ultimate two in one 271 00:13:21,825 --> 00:13:23,625 Speaker 1: moisturizer with sunscreen. 272 00:13:23,985 --> 00:13:25,825 Speaker 2: And I love that because I think some people can 273 00:13:25,905 --> 00:13:27,625 Speaker 2: be lazy like that in a way because like it 274 00:13:27,705 --> 00:13:30,945 Speaker 2: already moisturize exactly. You use the sunscreen, then you're like, 275 00:13:30,985 --> 00:13:32,185 Speaker 2: but I feel dry, and. 276 00:13:32,145 --> 00:13:33,985 Speaker 1: You don't necessarily want to spend all this time in 277 00:13:34,025 --> 00:13:36,345 Speaker 1: the bathroom. Just want to have one product that does it. Also, 278 00:13:36,465 --> 00:13:38,425 Speaker 1: you really can't go past that in terms of what 279 00:13:38,505 --> 00:13:41,185 Speaker 1: sits beautifully under makeup. Of course, you've got the fluid 280 00:13:41,225 --> 00:13:45,865 Speaker 1: so Anthelios, Excel Invisible Fluid and skin Cuticles Ultra facial Defense. 281 00:13:46,065 --> 00:13:49,465 Speaker 1: You can't go past these sunscreens. There's super lightweight SPF 282 00:13:49,505 --> 00:13:52,185 Speaker 1: fifty plus Boord Spectrum and the via UVB. 283 00:13:52,105 --> 00:13:53,905 Speaker 2: The Great size as well. Like you can track that 284 00:13:53,945 --> 00:13:56,265 Speaker 2: in your bag and it will make you reapply it 285 00:13:56,305 --> 00:13:58,145 Speaker 2: when you can actually take it around with you and 286 00:13:58,145 --> 00:13:59,785 Speaker 2: it's not going to exact clop open in your. 287 00:13:59,705 --> 00:14:02,785 Speaker 1: Bag, so super convenient. No white casting goes on, super 288 00:14:02,825 --> 00:14:05,305 Speaker 1: silky smooth, and they disappear. When I apply this to 289 00:14:05,345 --> 00:14:07,305 Speaker 1: the backs of my patient's hands in clinic as a 290 00:14:07,305 --> 00:14:10,065 Speaker 1: bit of a tester, they're sort of really taken aback like, wow, 291 00:14:10,185 --> 00:14:12,185 Speaker 1: that's really fifty plus. They sort of don't believe me, 292 00:14:12,225 --> 00:14:14,905 Speaker 1: and that's why I like to show them and test 293 00:14:14,945 --> 00:14:16,945 Speaker 1: it and feel it. The one that I have over 294 00:14:16,985 --> 00:14:18,905 Speaker 1: here now, this is a little Australian brand. I don't 295 00:14:18,905 --> 00:14:21,425 Speaker 1: know if you've heard of it, Propyra Propyra. I feel 296 00:14:21,465 --> 00:14:23,905 Speaker 1: very proud of this brand. It's a Melbourne based brand, 297 00:14:24,025 --> 00:14:26,665 Speaker 1: so born and Bred. They produce a range of skin 298 00:14:26,705 --> 00:14:29,785 Speaker 1: care products and they're really marketed through dermatologists or skin 299 00:14:29,825 --> 00:14:34,865 Speaker 1: clinics and online. They have this wonderful tinted SPA fifty 300 00:14:34,865 --> 00:14:38,105 Speaker 1: plus that contains niacinamide, which we know is anti inflammatory 301 00:14:38,145 --> 00:14:40,425 Speaker 1: and I'll talk a bit about later, but also vitamin E, 302 00:14:40,585 --> 00:14:43,425 Speaker 1: so a natural antioxidant. But the reason I pick out 303 00:14:43,465 --> 00:14:46,745 Speaker 1: a tinted sunscreen is for those patients who are particularly 304 00:14:47,025 --> 00:14:50,345 Speaker 1: prone and suffer from elasma or have a family history 305 00:14:50,345 --> 00:14:53,345 Speaker 1: of malasma. Because, as I've sort of alluded to, when 306 00:14:53,425 --> 00:14:56,985 Speaker 1: you're trying to protect against sun exposure, protecting against the 307 00:14:57,065 --> 00:14:59,625 Speaker 1: ultra violet spectrum is very important, but so too is 308 00:14:59,705 --> 00:15:02,985 Speaker 1: white light. Now, white light's not necessarily blocked out by 309 00:15:03,025 --> 00:15:06,225 Speaker 1: all the chemical or physical sunscreens. The ones that you 310 00:15:06,385 --> 00:15:08,665 Speaker 1: really want to choose the tinted ones that contain iron 311 00:15:08,705 --> 00:15:11,185 Speaker 1: oxide pigments. And this has been proven in many studies 312 00:15:11,505 --> 00:15:14,545 Speaker 1: to be a superior sunscreen for malasma sufferer. So that's 313 00:15:14,545 --> 00:15:16,465 Speaker 1: why I love it. It goes on, it sort of 314 00:15:16,465 --> 00:15:19,265 Speaker 1: sits probably like a light foundation for many patients. It 315 00:15:19,385 --> 00:15:22,585 Speaker 1: goes very smoothly. Again, no casting. I think it's a 316 00:15:22,625 --> 00:15:27,745 Speaker 1: really hero sunscreen that it's called Propyra. Propyra Yeah, absolutely, 317 00:15:27,745 --> 00:15:30,665 Speaker 1: I'll leave this one here for you. I think I'll 318 00:15:30,705 --> 00:15:34,145 Speaker 1: take that. So I think, yeah, sunscreen, it comes down 319 00:15:34,145 --> 00:15:35,985 Speaker 1: to prevention is of course better than a cure. We 320 00:15:36,025 --> 00:15:38,385 Speaker 1: can prevent a lot of skin problems. Once they've set in, 321 00:15:38,665 --> 00:15:40,225 Speaker 1: it can be a little bit of hard work trying 322 00:15:40,265 --> 00:15:43,225 Speaker 1: to correct them. This product here, which is the same 323 00:15:43,225 --> 00:15:46,785 Speaker 1: brand that I mentioned earlier, Propara DNA Resilience Liposomal Cream. 324 00:15:46,865 --> 00:15:49,505 Speaker 1: It's an interesting one because we talk about sun damage 325 00:15:49,505 --> 00:15:52,385 Speaker 1: and what happens in the acute effects of radiation toxicity. 326 00:15:52,425 --> 00:15:55,025 Speaker 1: So that acute sunburn, which is the redness, the pain, 327 00:15:55,185 --> 00:15:57,705 Speaker 1: the swelling and then the peeling. Now, once you've had 328 00:15:57,745 --> 00:15:59,745 Speaker 1: a sunburn, most people you know will reach for the 329 00:15:59,745 --> 00:16:02,985 Speaker 1: alo verra or moisturizer something to cool their skin, and 330 00:16:03,025 --> 00:16:05,505 Speaker 1: they're fine in terms of just something to soothe, but 331 00:16:05,505 --> 00:16:07,705 Speaker 1: they're not doing much to actually undo or repair the 332 00:16:07,785 --> 00:16:11,185 Speaker 1: DNA damage that you've just done. So this particular product, 333 00:16:11,265 --> 00:16:14,785 Speaker 1: the DNA Resilien Slyposomal Cream, contains a couple of active 334 00:16:14,905 --> 00:16:17,145 Speaker 1: ingredients that have been shown in studies to actually help 335 00:16:17,225 --> 00:16:20,145 Speaker 1: penetrate the skin and repair the DNA damage that you've 336 00:16:20,225 --> 00:16:22,945 Speaker 1: just induced. So it's got an ingredient called for skln 337 00:16:23,065 --> 00:16:26,345 Speaker 1: and photoliais as well as some nice cinamide, and this 338 00:16:26,465 --> 00:16:28,505 Speaker 1: sort of a product I would recommend for someone who's 339 00:16:28,585 --> 00:16:31,385 Speaker 1: accidentally got sunburnt and is in a little bit of 340 00:16:31,425 --> 00:16:33,305 Speaker 1: pain and then they're like, oh god, I'm now going 341 00:16:33,345 --> 00:16:35,945 Speaker 1: to just worsen my malasma or worsen my pre existing 342 00:16:35,985 --> 00:16:37,785 Speaker 1: sun damage. That's the sort of product. 343 00:16:37,985 --> 00:16:39,345 Speaker 2: So that's like a moisturizer. 344 00:16:39,505 --> 00:16:41,905 Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be used as a moisturizer and really 345 00:16:41,945 --> 00:16:44,985 Speaker 1: within thirty minutes to an hour of sun exposure, particularly 346 00:16:45,105 --> 00:16:46,225 Speaker 1: think you've overdone it. 347 00:16:46,345 --> 00:16:48,145 Speaker 2: As you said, that's usually when you get out like 348 00:16:48,185 --> 00:16:50,945 Speaker 2: the sticky alevior or like gel and you know you're 349 00:16:50,985 --> 00:16:52,545 Speaker 2: like it's going to sue it, but you know you've 350 00:16:52,545 --> 00:16:56,185 Speaker 2: already you've done the DAMA, so if anything could possibly 351 00:16:56,265 --> 00:16:57,265 Speaker 2: help prevent that's right. 352 00:16:57,305 --> 00:16:59,465 Speaker 1: So this has been shown or the ingredients in this 353 00:16:59,505 --> 00:17:02,425 Speaker 1: have been shown to actually undo or help repair true 354 00:17:02,505 --> 00:17:04,185 Speaker 1: DNA damage. So I think that that's a bit of 355 00:17:04,185 --> 00:17:04,585 Speaker 1: a winner. 356 00:17:04,825 --> 00:17:07,065 Speaker 2: So tell me, Ryan, I feel like there's a lot 357 00:17:07,105 --> 00:17:10,785 Speaker 2: of misconception around this. Is getting a ten just as 358 00:17:10,825 --> 00:17:12,025 Speaker 2: bad as getting sunburn? 359 00:17:12,345 --> 00:17:14,345 Speaker 1: That's a really good question. So we know that an 360 00:17:14,345 --> 00:17:18,185 Speaker 1: acute sunburn is what we would call acute radiation toxicity, 361 00:17:18,225 --> 00:17:20,265 Speaker 1: So you know one hundred percent of sunburn is doing 362 00:17:20,265 --> 00:17:23,545 Speaker 1: you DNA damage. The thing is with tanning is it 363 00:17:23,625 --> 00:17:26,265 Speaker 1: depends on whether or not you've actually tanned through sunscreen, 364 00:17:26,305 --> 00:17:28,945 Speaker 1: which you can, or whether you've actually gone out for 365 00:17:28,985 --> 00:17:31,825 Speaker 1: that first ten to twenty minutes with no sunscreen. What 366 00:17:31,865 --> 00:17:34,985 Speaker 1: we want to do is block out the harmful UV radiation. 367 00:17:35,545 --> 00:17:38,585 Speaker 1: There are non harmful UV rays and white light that 368 00:17:38,625 --> 00:17:41,225 Speaker 1: we still get that can still stimulate aurmlata sites. So 369 00:17:41,265 --> 00:17:44,185 Speaker 1: the answer is it depends. When my patients say, oh, 370 00:17:44,225 --> 00:17:47,305 Speaker 1: but I just want a bit of a tan tolim, yeah, 371 00:17:47,345 --> 00:17:49,385 Speaker 1: I really explained to them that you can still achieve 372 00:17:49,465 --> 00:17:53,425 Speaker 1: that whilst protecting your skin, and I therefore hesitate to 373 00:17:53,465 --> 00:17:55,865 Speaker 1: recommend people going out and getting a tan because I 374 00:17:55,905 --> 00:17:58,385 Speaker 1: know that the UV radiation is still penetrating their skin 375 00:17:58,425 --> 00:17:59,785 Speaker 1: if they're not adequately protecting. 376 00:17:59,945 --> 00:18:00,785 Speaker 2: What else have you got? 377 00:18:01,305 --> 00:18:03,945 Speaker 1: So this is malab three serum by Loroch Pres. 378 00:18:04,145 --> 00:18:05,425 Speaker 2: I have heard of it before. 379 00:18:05,665 --> 00:18:08,265 Speaker 1: This is a really interesting product. I've actually grown quite 380 00:18:08,345 --> 00:18:10,985 Speaker 1: fond of it. It's a new iteration of their nice 381 00:18:10,985 --> 00:18:13,505 Speaker 1: Cinema So they had a ten percent nice inimid serum, 382 00:18:13,545 --> 00:18:16,545 Speaker 1: but it's souped up with a particular ingredient called Mela sill. 383 00:18:16,745 --> 00:18:18,945 Speaker 1: So this is a patented ingredient by the Laroche pro 384 00:18:18,985 --> 00:18:21,025 Speaker 1: Se group. I was a bit skeptical about it at 385 00:18:21,025 --> 00:18:23,465 Speaker 1: the start. I thought, you know, whenever a company comes 386 00:18:23,465 --> 00:18:25,625 Speaker 1: out with a patented ingredient, you always have to miss 387 00:18:26,625 --> 00:18:28,945 Speaker 1: what is it? What does it really mean? What's the research? 388 00:18:29,385 --> 00:18:31,825 Speaker 1: So many numbers around it exactly why if you had 389 00:18:31,825 --> 00:18:34,665 Speaker 1: to trademarket That sounds a bit dodgy. But the reason 390 00:18:34,745 --> 00:18:37,265 Speaker 1: is that this particular ingredient in this product was seventeen 391 00:18:37,345 --> 00:18:39,545 Speaker 1: years in the making. The R and D group at 392 00:18:39,545 --> 00:18:42,945 Speaker 1: the Laroche pos factory in France spent many years trying 393 00:18:42,945 --> 00:18:46,305 Speaker 1: to investigate ingredients that can actually target the melon and 394 00:18:46,345 --> 00:18:49,905 Speaker 1: synthesis pathway, so we know that malasma. To date, we 395 00:18:50,065 --> 00:18:53,305 Speaker 1: really relied very heavily on an ingredient called hydroquinone, which 396 00:18:53,345 --> 00:18:56,185 Speaker 1: is in Australia mostly on prescription. You can get a 397 00:18:56,185 --> 00:18:59,225 Speaker 1: couple of products over the counter with it, but essentially 398 00:18:59,225 --> 00:19:01,145 Speaker 1: to get any great effect from it, you usually need 399 00:19:01,185 --> 00:19:03,425 Speaker 1: five percent plus, which you need a script for. Whereas 400 00:19:03,665 --> 00:19:06,065 Speaker 1: this ingredient here is actually over the counter and has 401 00:19:06,105 --> 00:19:08,705 Speaker 1: been shown in studies to be fairly comparable to some 402 00:19:08,745 --> 00:19:11,625 Speaker 1: of the lowest trends highones, and it's very safe to use, 403 00:19:12,145 --> 00:19:15,185 Speaker 1: unlike the hydroquinone where we generally recommend it for periods 404 00:19:15,185 --> 00:19:17,185 Speaker 1: of four or five months and then we take a 405 00:19:17,225 --> 00:19:19,545 Speaker 1: break from it because we worry about actually long term 406 00:19:19,585 --> 00:19:22,145 Speaker 1: side effects from using it. So it's a safer product 407 00:19:22,225 --> 00:19:24,905 Speaker 1: to use long term and can be incorporated daily into 408 00:19:24,985 --> 00:19:25,505 Speaker 1: someone's skin. 409 00:19:25,665 --> 00:19:27,425 Speaker 2: That was going to be my next question, how often 410 00:19:27,465 --> 00:19:29,145 Speaker 2: you would use it. So that's a serum. That's a 411 00:19:29,185 --> 00:19:30,945 Speaker 2: serrum with a little drop up. That's right, it's a 412 00:19:30,945 --> 00:19:32,865 Speaker 2: little serum. It goes on very nicely. It's got the 413 00:19:32,945 --> 00:19:35,585 Speaker 2: nice inimide in it, which we know is naturally anti inflammatory, 414 00:19:35,785 --> 00:19:38,425 Speaker 2: but also that ingredient mal seal, so once to twice 415 00:19:38,465 --> 00:19:41,545 Speaker 2: daily uses what's recommended, of course, in conjunction with you 416 00:19:41,625 --> 00:19:44,145 Speaker 2: good sunscreen, but this is for patients who know that 417 00:19:44,185 --> 00:19:47,065 Speaker 2: their pigment prone, maybe have some early or mild molasma 418 00:19:47,105 --> 00:19:48,865 Speaker 2: to begin with, and really don't want it to get 419 00:19:48,865 --> 00:19:49,985 Speaker 2: worse over summer, which we. 420 00:19:49,945 --> 00:19:50,465 Speaker 1: Know it will. 421 00:19:50,585 --> 00:19:51,865 Speaker 2: So that sounds like a great one. 422 00:19:51,945 --> 00:19:54,265 Speaker 1: Yeah, suits a lot of people skin. The final products 423 00:19:54,265 --> 00:19:56,065 Speaker 1: that I've bought in were some lip balms and I'm 424 00:19:56,105 --> 00:19:58,465 Speaker 1: sorry here because I don't have the fifty plus version 425 00:19:58,505 --> 00:20:02,825 Speaker 1: of this, but I'm sure you're with Damble Therapy lip balm. 426 00:20:03,265 --> 00:20:06,545 Speaker 1: This is the og lip balm. They do a beautiful 427 00:20:06,585 --> 00:20:10,105 Speaker 1: SBA fifty plus lip balm which I highly highly highly recommend, 428 00:20:10,185 --> 00:20:12,385 Speaker 1: especially if you're outdoors for prolonged periods of time. 429 00:20:12,465 --> 00:20:15,025 Speaker 2: And they've actually recently come out with a new range 430 00:20:15,105 --> 00:20:18,145 Speaker 2: as well, and lots of different tinted formulas too. 431 00:20:18,345 --> 00:20:21,345 Speaker 1: Exactly. They've really moved with the times again. Australian company 432 00:20:21,385 --> 00:20:24,625 Speaker 1: make a really good lip barm. It's again very affordable 433 00:20:24,745 --> 00:20:27,745 Speaker 1: price point wise, and many of my patients absolutely love it, 434 00:20:27,745 --> 00:20:29,905 Speaker 1: so I can't go past it, but I do fully 435 00:20:29,945 --> 00:20:31,825 Speaker 1: recommend the SPF fifty version of it. 436 00:20:31,985 --> 00:20:33,905 Speaker 2: We love a good chemist product, and you've brought so 437 00:20:33,985 --> 00:20:37,305 Speaker 2: many great accessible products. Just to sum it up. If 438 00:20:37,625 --> 00:20:40,385 Speaker 2: you know you're someone who's just confused about you know, 439 00:20:40,425 --> 00:20:42,985 Speaker 2: like the top products that you actually need, what would 440 00:20:43,025 --> 00:20:46,185 Speaker 2: be like three top products that you would recommend having 441 00:20:46,465 --> 00:20:47,985 Speaker 2: in your arsenal summer. 442 00:20:48,185 --> 00:20:51,265 Speaker 1: So YESPF fifty plus has to be there. Number one. 443 00:20:51,345 --> 00:20:53,305 Speaker 1: Now I haven't brought it here today, which is a 444 00:20:53,345 --> 00:20:56,025 Speaker 1: bit remissive me actually may have in my suitcase anyway, 445 00:20:58,425 --> 00:21:00,705 Speaker 1: like a traveling salesman. It's a vitamin C of course, 446 00:21:00,745 --> 00:21:03,385 Speaker 1: so we know that a good vitamin C serves many roles. 447 00:21:03,705 --> 00:21:05,825 Speaker 1: Of course, it comes at various different price points, so 448 00:21:05,865 --> 00:21:07,625 Speaker 1: you don't have to be right at the top end 449 00:21:07,745 --> 00:21:09,665 Speaker 1: if you can afford it and you'd like to splurge 450 00:21:09,665 --> 00:21:11,785 Speaker 1: one hundred percent worth it, But if you can't, then 451 00:21:11,785 --> 00:21:13,385 Speaker 1: there are other products in the middle that you can 452 00:21:13,385 --> 00:21:16,705 Speaker 1: also use. But vitamin C is a great antioxidant. We 453 00:21:16,745 --> 00:21:19,385 Speaker 1: know that it's going to help protect against UV damage 454 00:21:19,585 --> 00:21:22,665 Speaker 1: being an antioxidant and will not only serve anti aging 455 00:21:22,705 --> 00:21:25,865 Speaker 1: purposes but also anti pigmentation. So vitamin C is probably 456 00:21:25,905 --> 00:21:28,145 Speaker 1: my number two. And then I love to seal it 457 00:21:28,185 --> 00:21:30,825 Speaker 1: all together with just a good old fashioned moisturizer, something 458 00:21:30,945 --> 00:21:35,265 Speaker 1: really hydrating, fragrance free. Ideally again, doesn't need to break 459 00:21:35,305 --> 00:21:35,585 Speaker 1: the path. 460 00:21:35,665 --> 00:21:37,585 Speaker 2: There's so many affordable ones on the market. 461 00:21:37,865 --> 00:21:40,025 Speaker 1: So it's about choosing one that you like. I'm personally 462 00:21:40,065 --> 00:21:42,265 Speaker 1: a cream or a balm fan, but I know that 463 00:21:42,305 --> 00:21:44,945 Speaker 1: many of my patients really like a lightweight lotion for 464 00:21:44,985 --> 00:21:47,825 Speaker 1: many reasons. They like it particularly underneath makeup, or it 465 00:21:48,025 --> 00:21:50,345 Speaker 1: just sits their skin better. So I just say to you, 466 00:21:50,505 --> 00:21:53,105 Speaker 1: choose one that you like that you know doesn't have 467 00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:56,905 Speaker 1: to cost the world and is largely low in ingredients. 468 00:21:56,945 --> 00:21:59,185 Speaker 1: So if you see the ingredients list and it contains 469 00:21:59,305 --> 00:22:01,345 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand different things, you really have to ask 470 00:22:01,385 --> 00:22:05,305 Speaker 1: why because most moisturizers actually the base ingredients are very similar, 471 00:22:05,545 --> 00:22:08,305 Speaker 1: so it's just slight tweaks that really differentiate them. And 472 00:22:08,345 --> 00:22:10,665 Speaker 1: you don't need to really have a really fancy. 473 00:22:10,305 --> 00:22:20,225 Speaker 2: One hit you've made one of the greatest discoveries. 474 00:22:19,585 --> 00:22:21,945 Speaker 1: Of all time or a miss. 475 00:22:21,985 --> 00:22:26,225 Speaker 2: Never again, never I wanted to ask you what kind 476 00:22:26,265 --> 00:22:31,265 Speaker 2: of product, treatment, skin technique or trend that you love 477 00:22:31,625 --> 00:22:33,185 Speaker 2: and one that you hate. 478 00:22:33,345 --> 00:22:34,585 Speaker 1: I'm going to start with the one I hate is 479 00:22:34,585 --> 00:22:35,385 Speaker 1: that all right, we. 480 00:22:35,385 --> 00:22:38,025 Speaker 2: Love it as controversial as you wish. 481 00:22:37,825 --> 00:22:40,265 Speaker 1: I will be because again, and I'm talking as a clinician, 482 00:22:40,305 --> 00:22:42,185 Speaker 1: as someone who hundreds of patients a week come to 483 00:22:42,225 --> 00:22:45,505 Speaker 1: me having spent a lot of money on radio frequency 484 00:22:45,585 --> 00:22:49,505 Speaker 1: needling or skin needling. I know, I thought that I 485 00:22:49,585 --> 00:22:52,625 Speaker 1: might get this reaction and I'd want to really clarify 486 00:22:53,065 --> 00:22:59,305 Speaker 1: and explain myself. So explain. So skin needling is not 487 00:22:59,385 --> 00:23:01,425 Speaker 1: only you know, an age all technique. It's also can 488 00:23:01,505 --> 00:23:03,505 Speaker 1: be very cheap. So if you go and get you know, 489 00:23:03,505 --> 00:23:05,945 Speaker 1: a needling pan or you know a rolling device, or 490 00:23:05,985 --> 00:23:08,025 Speaker 1: you go into a clinic that's just you know, there 491 00:23:08,025 --> 00:23:09,385 Speaker 1: to give you a bit of visuals. You just want 492 00:23:09,385 --> 00:23:11,625 Speaker 1: to maybe infuse a few ingredients. Fine, I have no 493 00:23:11,705 --> 00:23:14,265 Speaker 1: real problems with it. Where I have problems is where 494 00:23:14,385 --> 00:23:17,865 Speaker 1: clinics actually attach a huge price point let's call it 495 00:23:17,905 --> 00:23:20,185 Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty to one thousand dollars a treatment, 496 00:23:20,305 --> 00:23:22,945 Speaker 1: maybe more, and they sell it as a package to 497 00:23:23,025 --> 00:23:27,865 Speaker 1: patients who are suffering from acne or roseatia, hyperpigmentation or whatever, 498 00:23:27,945 --> 00:23:31,305 Speaker 1: and they apply this very blunt tool to all these 499 00:23:31,305 --> 00:23:35,905 Speaker 1: different skin conditions and promise the world acne scarring Okay, 500 00:23:35,745 --> 00:23:37,985 Speaker 1: they say, oh, we're going to cure your acne scarring 501 00:23:37,985 --> 00:23:41,985 Speaker 1: with this package of five skin needling sessions. I've had 502 00:23:42,185 --> 00:23:44,065 Speaker 1: countless patients, I can tell you, and I promise I'm 503 00:23:44,065 --> 00:23:45,705 Speaker 1: not making this up, Aaron that they come to me 504 00:23:45,865 --> 00:23:48,665 Speaker 1: having bought these packages. They might be halfway through it, 505 00:23:48,785 --> 00:23:50,785 Speaker 1: or you know, two thirds of the way through their package, 506 00:23:50,905 --> 00:23:53,745 Speaker 1: and they're like, I don't see any difference. My acne 507 00:23:53,825 --> 00:23:57,745 Speaker 1: is still bad, my scarring maybe marginally better. I really 508 00:23:57,785 --> 00:24:00,505 Speaker 1: don't know what it's doing for me, and my heart 509 00:24:00,545 --> 00:24:03,185 Speaker 1: breaks because they've already dropped a huge amountunt of money, 510 00:24:03,465 --> 00:24:06,305 Speaker 1: huge amount of money, right, and they're seeking solutions. And 511 00:24:06,345 --> 00:24:08,665 Speaker 1: I know that a lot of the evidence based lasers 512 00:24:08,705 --> 00:24:10,665 Speaker 1: that I have in in or the skin care that 513 00:24:10,705 --> 00:24:13,265 Speaker 1: I'm going to recommend isn't cheap either. I need to 514 00:24:13,305 --> 00:24:16,225 Speaker 1: be honest about that. So I guess my point is 515 00:24:16,265 --> 00:24:19,905 Speaker 1: that radio frequency needling can achieve certain benefits, you know, 516 00:24:20,025 --> 00:24:22,625 Speaker 1: fine line sprinkles. Maybe it can you do a little 517 00:24:22,665 --> 00:24:24,825 Speaker 1: bit of skin tightening, but I don't believe it does 518 00:24:24,905 --> 00:24:25,305 Speaker 1: much else. 519 00:24:25,825 --> 00:24:29,905 Speaker 2: My gosh, okay, well you saved me because in whenever 520 00:24:29,945 --> 00:24:34,665 Speaker 2: our recent episodes, I said that my resolution for this 521 00:24:34,785 --> 00:24:37,905 Speaker 2: year was to actually stick with a proper treatment like 522 00:24:38,185 --> 00:24:40,945 Speaker 2: RF micro needling, because I'd heard so many great things 523 00:24:40,985 --> 00:24:43,945 Speaker 2: about it. But it's so true, as you say, you 524 00:24:43,985 --> 00:24:47,265 Speaker 2: can't just have one thing for all different skin issues, 525 00:24:47,425 --> 00:24:49,705 Speaker 2: for all different skin types and expect that it's going 526 00:24:49,785 --> 00:24:51,465 Speaker 2: to do everything that's right. 527 00:24:51,585 --> 00:24:53,905 Speaker 1: Certainly, you know you're going to have many listeners who've 528 00:24:53,905 --> 00:24:55,865 Speaker 1: had a course and will swear by it. So I 529 00:24:55,985 --> 00:24:58,225 Speaker 1: love it and that's fine. So I'm really happy with that. 530 00:24:58,425 --> 00:25:00,905 Speaker 1: And if it's achieved their skin goals of maybe you know, 531 00:25:01,025 --> 00:25:03,265 Speaker 1: glowing skin, or they've found that their skin is a 532 00:25:03,305 --> 00:25:05,305 Speaker 1: bit thicker, or you know, the pores are a little 533 00:25:05,345 --> 00:25:07,865 Speaker 1: bit small or fantastic, but it's definitely not a one 534 00:25:07,865 --> 00:25:09,585 Speaker 1: size fits all and I think that's my point. 535 00:25:09,945 --> 00:25:12,665 Speaker 2: So interesting, Oh my gosh, Okay, that blew my mind. 536 00:25:12,705 --> 00:25:13,785 Speaker 2: I can't wait for your hit. 537 00:25:14,185 --> 00:25:17,745 Speaker 1: So again, my hit is maybe more of a philosophical 538 00:25:17,785 --> 00:25:21,065 Speaker 1: statement rather than a specific product. And that's when it 539 00:25:21,065 --> 00:25:26,145 Speaker 1: comes to skin care. Less is more have realistic expectations 540 00:25:26,145 --> 00:25:29,145 Speaker 1: of what skin care can help you achieve. You can 541 00:25:29,225 --> 00:25:31,945 Speaker 1: drop thousands of dollars in skin care. We both know this. 542 00:25:32,025 --> 00:25:34,345 Speaker 1: And when you have a product line that has you know, 543 00:25:34,545 --> 00:25:37,505 Speaker 1: a cleanser, a tone, or a sunscreen, a moisturizer, three 544 00:25:37,505 --> 00:25:39,945 Speaker 1: different serums. You know, you've got eight different products that 545 00:25:39,945 --> 00:25:42,385 Speaker 1: you've now purchased over a what I know, six month 546 00:25:42,465 --> 00:25:46,065 Speaker 1: period that then you need to go and replenish, really 547 00:25:46,185 --> 00:25:49,585 Speaker 1: understand what they're doing for you, and choose products that 548 00:25:49,625 --> 00:25:51,825 Speaker 1: you believe are genuinely making a difference. And if they're 549 00:25:51,825 --> 00:25:54,265 Speaker 1: at a price point that's too high, you're not seeing 550 00:25:54,265 --> 00:25:57,785 Speaker 1: a difference. Go for something pretty simple because you're likely 551 00:25:57,825 --> 00:26:00,345 Speaker 1: going to see the same results. So less is more, 552 00:26:00,425 --> 00:26:02,825 Speaker 1: even from a price point of view, and even from 553 00:26:02,865 --> 00:26:05,345 Speaker 1: a collection point of view, is how many different products 554 00:26:05,345 --> 00:26:06,225 Speaker 1: do you actually need? 555 00:26:06,305 --> 00:26:08,745 Speaker 2: And sometimes you even noticed a bigger difference when you 556 00:26:08,785 --> 00:26:11,225 Speaker 2: pair your routine and just use like a couple of 557 00:26:11,225 --> 00:26:13,705 Speaker 2: basic products. I have so many friends that have done 558 00:26:13,745 --> 00:26:15,425 Speaker 2: that and they've said, my skins never looked better. 559 00:26:15,545 --> 00:26:18,745 Speaker 1: Correct. So when I'm recommending time and money, time and money, 560 00:26:18,865 --> 00:26:20,985 Speaker 1: it's a simple skin care. So it's the serahvis of 561 00:26:21,025 --> 00:26:23,625 Speaker 1: the world. It's Laura's proses. We know that these brands 562 00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:27,065 Speaker 1: have got really minimalist formulas, they had a very reasonable 563 00:26:27,105 --> 00:26:29,465 Speaker 1: price point, and when I recommend it as a moisturizer 564 00:26:29,465 --> 00:26:31,385 Speaker 1: that you could use on your face and body, and 565 00:26:31,385 --> 00:26:32,865 Speaker 1: people will look at the price point and then look 566 00:26:32,865 --> 00:26:34,585 Speaker 1: at what they're spending on their little one hundred or 567 00:26:34,665 --> 00:26:37,025 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty meal tab. They're like, oh my god, 568 00:26:37,305 --> 00:26:40,025 Speaker 1: I actually love this moisturizer and it's so much cheaper 569 00:26:40,025 --> 00:26:42,025 Speaker 1: than what I've been using so lessons more. 570 00:26:42,225 --> 00:26:45,345 Speaker 2: Oh, doctor Ryan, thank you you've blown my mind. Actually, 571 00:26:45,425 --> 00:26:47,465 Speaker 2: I'm so glad we had you on for the little hit. 572 00:26:47,665 --> 00:26:49,385 Speaker 1: I'm really really pleased to be here and thank you 573 00:26:49,465 --> 00:26:51,065 Speaker 1: so much for inviting me. It's been fun you. 574 00:26:52,105 --> 00:26:54,465 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the show today. 575 00:26:54,585 --> 00:26:57,185 Speaker 2: And if you've got a topic that you want me 576 00:26:57,385 --> 00:27:00,185 Speaker 2: to talk about to ask an expert about, send it 577 00:27:00,225 --> 00:27:03,905 Speaker 2: to us on You Beauty podcast Instagram. The producer of 578 00:27:03,945 --> 00:27:06,545 Speaker 2: You Beauty is a lovely Cassie Merit with audio production 579 00:27:06,705 --> 00:27:20,305 Speaker 2: by Lou Hill. And I'll see you next week. Bye.