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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Busy and happy are not the same thing. We too

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Speaker 2: rarely question what makes the heart seeing. We work, then

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Speaker 2: we rest, but rarely we play and often don't realize

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Speaker 2: there's more than one way. So this is a platform

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Speaker 2: to hear and explore the stories of those who found lives.

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Speaker 1: They adore, the good, bad and ugly, the best and

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Speaker 1: worst day will bear all the facets of seizing your yea.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah. A lawyer

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Speaker 1: turned funentrepreneurs walked the suits and heels to co found

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Speaker 1: Matcha Maiden and Matcha Milk bar cz Ya is a

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Speaker 1: series of conversations on finding a life you love and

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Speaker 1: exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Bim, there you Bim.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's been like a month, Bim.

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Speaker 3: We can't keep starting the podcast like that.

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Speaker 1: What it's been a bomb?

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Speaker 3: Let's stay how long it's been. It's been seven weeks.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It has been a long time and we

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Speaker 1: have had a really exciting announcement since then. But I

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Speaker 1: love how you always are like this is brand new information,

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Speaker 1: even though you knew on like day one. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: have to say a minute one.

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Speaker 3: With your pregnancy, like we've just discussed we do this.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why we did our catch up before.

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Speaker 1: We don't usually what do you mean before we started recording? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we usually do it on the record. Yeah. I was like,

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Speaker 1: tell me everything in case. It was like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: don't want to make a puff. I don't know. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I had some secrets.

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Speaker 3: Mean, no, no, I was saying that it's still every

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Speaker 3: time it feels like news to me because I just

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Speaker 3: I'm not doesn't register in my brain that you are

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Speaker 3: with child.

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Speaker 1: I know. I think it's because I've got such a

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Speaker 1: small bump. Yeah, still possible to not acknowledge it immediately.

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Speaker 3: That and that you physically don't like your face and

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Speaker 3: your body doesn't look like that hasn't changed dramatically, and

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Speaker 3: also your workload.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm still very a lot more. I mean I

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Speaker 1: woke up at eleven thirty today. You were like, what

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Speaker 1: times you we meet twelve?

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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, yeah, I mentioned that at seven am,

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Speaker 3: being like she remembers why for an these five hours?

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I replied it like eleventh thirty.

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Speaker 3: You like sounds good, like you were compromising for me.

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Speaker 1: That was actually one of the questions that someone asked.

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Speaker 1: I put up a little Q and A on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: and because I always want to make sure that I'm

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Speaker 1: answering questions you actually are interested in, and particularly with

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Speaker 1: this is such a big lifestyle change that I really

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Speaker 1: didn't want to suddenly just become a pregnancy page because

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Speaker 1: even though that's a big part of my life and

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Speaker 1: the page is, you know, just reflecting literally what is

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Speaker 1: happening around me at the time, I know there are

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Speaker 1: lots of people that it's not relevant to their life

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Speaker 1: didn't want to make it like my whole personality. So

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Speaker 1: I was like, what are you actually interested in? What

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Speaker 1: aren't you in? One of them was like, how did

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Speaker 1: you hide it while you were like traveling around and work.

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Speaker 3: Genuinely, which we will get to. We will get to,

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Speaker 3: and it was very interesting. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like you overly curate your page to

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Speaker 3: reflect what people want to see, because even day to

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Speaker 3: day I would always forget that you were pregnant because

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Speaker 3: you just never made it like we every now and

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Speaker 3: then we'd be like, oh my god, or every time

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Speaker 3: we saw each other it'd be like, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: But then we'd go and you'd paint the house and

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Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, wait, hold on, I didn't check the like

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Speaker 1: it's just Hume rating a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just didn't really like you never really made

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Speaker 3: it your whole identity. And I don't think you. I

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Speaker 3: don't know. You just have so much going on that

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Speaker 1: Which has actually been really nice because I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's a really amazing life transition and so exciting. And

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Speaker 1: of course there'll be a point when the baby actually

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Speaker 1: because I don't ever keep secrets, like I share everything

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Speaker 3: I can't believe you're pregnant still, I'm telling you, unless

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Speaker 3: I visualize like a newborn child in your arms.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, nah, I know, I know, it's so weird,

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Speaker 3: But it's crazy because there's so many So much of

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Speaker 3: this pregnancy is feels perfect, like the house just happened

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Speaker 3: and is finishing in ready entirely for baby, and then

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Speaker 3: kind of like the changing of hands. Someone had commented

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Speaker 3: it was like Paul's gift, which I thought was really cute.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I wrote a story the other day

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Speaker 1: about how so one of the beautiful, beautiful things, even

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Speaker 1: though I've cried so many tears knowing that Paul will

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Speaker 1: support whenever you got whenever you don't feel well. You know,

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Speaker 1: dogs are like everything in those moments. But the week

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Speaker 1: that he passed away was the Monday, and we were

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Speaker 1: already pregnant, but we were in that agonizing weight, which

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about after between knowing we were pregnant but

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Speaker 1: hearing a heartbeat, which was kind of where we got

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Speaker 1: scan hearing the heartbeat was like two days later. So

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Speaker 1: passing on his heartbeat to another little being and stop

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Speaker 1: heartbeat to someone else. Oh my god, I lost it.

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Speaker 1: I lost it. I lose it all the time. I know.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to the pregnancy questions, what's happened?

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Speaker 1: I think we left it last episode on the amount

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Speaker 3: No, I would say the vast amount was like three

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Speaker 3: other people that said okay, No.

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Speaker 1: I had so many dms of people being like anyone

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Speaker 3: Anyone that says yes in a DM is hiding their truth.

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Speaker 3: Leave your truth, honey, put it in the comment. Come on.

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Speaker 1: We've also been to Korea since then, which you guys

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Speaker 1: know was incredibly, incredibly special and now you all appreciate

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Speaker 1: I think why it was extra special knowing we had

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Speaker 1: They brought a gift for Nick which was Jin saying,

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Speaker 3: Do they give like that root in a bottle thing?

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Speaker 1: It was in like little supplement sashet things.

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Speaker 3: Oh what's that one where it's like looks like a

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Speaker 3: root in a bottle like preserved?

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Speaker 1: Probably couldn't bring that back into Australia.

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Speaker 3: We really just declaring that security we locked apart.

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Speaker 3: It's like another Vietnamese process.

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Speaker 1: It's literally the stuff that he brings up, like, oh

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Speaker 1: we got that one. I want to wrap that better.

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Speaker 1: So we've we've had a lot going on since our

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Speaker 1: last because Nick and I did the Last Years of

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Speaker 1: our Lives as a Diaries episode, which was so much fun.

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Speaker 1: Have you listened to it yet yes, whatever, haven't you'd

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Speaker 1: be so proud of him. So he actually opened up

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Speaker 1: did our surprise highlight and lesson every day and my

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Speaker 1: surprise was like it's so clean, it's you know, just

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Speaker 1: founder of like day and.

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Speaker 3: The low light was you have to put your toy

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Speaker 1: You know. The low light was he couldn't find any

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Speaker 3: To I've never really even registered that.

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Speaker 3: We our family love South Korea and I couldn't tell

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Speaker 1: See, I think if you've been to both, you resonate

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Speaker 1: with the idea that Korea is like the cheekier loosis system.

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Speaker 3: Like cheeky, still super respectful, polite, so polite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was hilarious. Every day he was like

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Speaker 1: day he'd walk past and be like, well done, buddy,

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Speaker 3: Is ready to be a dad? Nick is actually Dad's

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Speaker 3: born ready? You know that Nick does that thing where

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Speaker 3: he goes and he goes. You see that tree. When

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Speaker 3: I was twelve, I ran, I ran past that tree so.

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Speaker 1: Fast you haven't seen me, you wouldn't know.

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Speaker 3: But this gravel path used to be bitumen.

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Speaker 1: And the economics behind bitchumen globally is.

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Speaker 3: That Nick Nick to he's like random as facts and

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Speaker 3: then like somehow he was he makes it seem like

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Speaker 1: He was a well kind of. I mean we rode horses,

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Speaker 1: but you know how like sometimes he doesn't let his

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Speaker 1: whole personality shit in the Soul Diaries because we were

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Speaker 1: cracking all these weird dad jokes and yeah, I'll listened

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Speaker 1: on the way it's your laugh. So much like knowing

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Speaker 1: him and knowing how he normally sounds when he knows

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Speaker 1: disposable boxes. Yeah, that took up twenty minutes of the episode,

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Speaker 1: which I was like Nikoy talking about Korean culture.

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Speaker 3: Would you do you if you like took your kid

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Speaker 1: is Nick refuse to do a gender reveal, like he was,

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Speaker 1: so any you announce how you want, We do the video,

439
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Speaker 1: we do the post. Whatever makes you comfortable, and this

440
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: is our baby. But like your pregnancy and your body changes,

441
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Speaker 1: so you you dictate the narrative. Except I will not

442
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Speaker 1: do a gender reveal.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I have to agree with that with Nick.

444
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, never seen a good one. I've

445
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Speaker 1: just they make me cring. She and you know, and

446
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Speaker 1: yeah it's yeah. So he was like that's the only

447
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 1: thing he put his foot down on. So we just

448
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 1: like slipped it into a.

449
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Speaker 3: I could not imagine little dick and be like, oh.

450
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Speaker 1: My god, yeah, our poor baby has a But also

451
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Speaker 1: we would have we would have done one with Paul

452
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Speaker 1: a gender reveal. I think we could have like had

453
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Speaker 1: him have like a doggy cake or like a balloon

454
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Speaker 1: or something.

455
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Speaker 3: I was so.

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Speaker 1: We've known that for twelve years. No. I think if

457
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Speaker 1: we could have involved Paul, it would have been like

458
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Speaker 1: easy to make it. Yeah sweet but yeah.

459
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Speaker 3: And then the last of the three visual ones is

460
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Speaker 3: will your content be changing to pregnancy pregnancy slash baby things?

461
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Speaker 1: Yes, lovely question, And as I mentioned before, I think,

462
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Speaker 1: obviously I just kind of post whatever's happening in my

463
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Speaker 1: life generally, so even when I'm traveling more, it becomes

464
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Speaker 1: a travel account. When I'm not traveling, it's a home account.

465
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Speaker 1: When I'm like run down, it's about health. So I

466
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Speaker 1: think it'll be the same. I definitely don't want to

467
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Speaker 1: turn it into like a baby pregnancy account, but I

468
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Speaker 1: also don't I don't think i'll overthink it too much.

469
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Speaker 1: I think I'll just post about what's happening, and part

470
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Speaker 1: of that will be about pregnancy. And already since announcing,

471
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Speaker 1: it's only been a week or something, but I've done,

472
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Speaker 1: you know, the two pregnancy posts, and then everything else

473
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Speaker 1: has just been everything else I've been doing that wasn't

474
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Speaker 1: related to pregnancy at all. So I think it'll just

475
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Speaker 1: continue to be the same, and I will have conscious

476
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Speaker 1: in the back of my mind that I don't want

477
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Speaker 1: it to become my entire identity, but I also don't

478
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Speaker 1: want to curtail the celebration part of it. Yeah, and

479
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Speaker 1: as so far, like I sort of apologize in advance

480
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Speaker 1: for the bombardment in at least the next couple of

481
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Speaker 1: weeks while we're backlogging through content and questions, but everyone

482
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Speaker 1: was like, please keep posting, like we find it really interesting.

483
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Speaker 1: A lot of people are on their conception journey or

484
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Speaker 1: they're pregnant and you know, want the recommendations or there

485
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Speaker 1: you know, they've had kids and they like reflecting on

486
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Speaker 1: that period. So yeah, I think I'll just keep my

487
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Speaker 1: finger on the pulse with people's reactions and see.

488
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think also important to be the open

489
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Speaker 3: person that you are, Like if you feel like you

490
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Speaker 3: want to, yeah, if it's.

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Speaker 1: Like a very pregnancy heavy day, I'll talk about it.

492
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Speaker 1: And then if I I've had days where I forget myself,

493
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Speaker 1: so I think it'll be like balanced.

494
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Speaker 3: I just keep down with your ibs.

495
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Speaker 1: Well that too.

496
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Speaker 3: Again, now not mutually explain now into the pre trying stage.

497
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Speaker 1: Yes, and for anyone listening who who is trying to

498
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Speaker 1: conceive or going through, you know, various parts of the

499
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Speaker 1: trying to conceive process. There are a lot of questions

500
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Speaker 1: about the miscarriage, so trigger warning for this section if

501
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Speaker 1: you want to fast forward to the pregnancy part or

502
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Speaker 1: let's give this episode altogether.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Also on the topic of people trying, oh, okay, yeah,

504
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Speaker 3: is more so just acknowledging that a lot of people

505
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Speaker 3: haven't had, haven't had I'm still trying, yes, and it's

506
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Speaker 3: a journey for everyone.

507
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Speaker 1: Absolutely appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: But first question, how long were you a hormonal contraceptive

509
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Speaker 3: before trying?

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Speaker 1: Great question, and it's so hard to know. I mean,

511
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Speaker 1: so many of us just got slapped on the pill

512
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Speaker 1: when we were so young without really understanding. I came

513
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Speaker 1: off the pill about twenty four about two years before

514
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Speaker 1: starting to try, So how long it was I think

515
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Speaker 1: twenty four months. I think we thought it was to

516
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Speaker 1: be a year, and then Nick's dad got really unwell,

517
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Speaker 1: and then it and COVID and everything kind of delayed

518
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Speaker 1: that us starting to actively try, which was fine because

519
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Speaker 1: it took my body a while to get a natural

520
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Speaker 1: cycle back, and I think I had fifty six day cycles,

521
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Speaker 1: really really long for the first twelve to eighteen months.

522
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Speaker 1: Maybe it was a bit less than two years, but

523
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Speaker 1: it was definitely between sort of eighteen to twenty four months.

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Speaker 3: And how long were you on the pill?

525
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Speaker 1: Four like ten years more? I reckon ten years at

526
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Speaker 1: it more maybe fifteen so I your dad. They was

527
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Speaker 1: so like I was on it for a really long time.

528
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Speaker 1: My cycles became regular, but they were long regular, so

529
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Speaker 1: it was impossible to know when I was ovulating. And interestingly,

530
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Speaker 1: after the miscarriage, they went back to normal thirty day cycles.

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Speaker 3: So right away, Yeah, I remember you showed me. You

532
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Speaker 3: were like, you wouldn't believe it. It was No, it

533
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Speaker 3: wasn't you were saying, it's exactly twenty eight days.

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Speaker 1: I think it was thirty, but still was between twenty

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Speaker 1: eight and thirty from fifty.

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Speaker 3: Sixty sixty but consistent every single month.

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Speaker 1: Totally Consistentane and a lot of people have that anecdotal

538
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Speaker 1: experience about a miscarriage kind of resetting your body's cycles.

539
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Speaker 1: It's really interesting. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, now into the miscarriage. Yep, did you do

541
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Speaker 3: accupuntch of post miscarriage.

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Speaker 1: I've been a big acupuncture lover for many, many years,

543
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Speaker 1: particularly through chronic fatigue. Has always been a really big

544
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Speaker 1: part of my health and well being. Kind of toolkit

545
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Speaker 1: but I didn't after the miscarriage because I gave my body.

546
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Speaker 1: I got my period back six weeks after the DNC operation,

547
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Speaker 1: which was way quicker than I thought it was going

548
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Speaker 1: to be, so especially in that first cycle, I just thought,

549
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Speaker 1: just don't do anything like not just no acupuncture, no,

550
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Speaker 1: nothing like, just let your body just figure out when

551
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: it wants to get it cycle back. Just let it here.

552
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Speaker 1: Be very gentle. I didn't really do anything. I just

553
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Speaker 1: kind of ate well, slept well, was very gentle on myself.

554
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Speaker 1: And then once that came back, we were like, Okay,

555
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: we've got one cycle naturally, which means we can technically

556
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Speaker 1: start trying again. And that was the question will come

557
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: up later, so I'll cover it in a different question.

558
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Speaker 1: But that was the next cycle, we started ovulation induction

559
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Speaker 1: as a sort of aid to trying to get pregnant.

560
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Speaker 1: So I thought, while I'm doing that protocol, I don't

561
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Speaker 1: want to have too many things going on, not that

562
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: they clash or anything, but I personally just wanted to

563
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Speaker 1: be able to track what my body was responding to

564
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Speaker 1: without having different possibilities. And then the third cycle we

565
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: got pregnant, so I didn't actually ever revisit acapuncture, but

566
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Speaker 1: I have heard wonderful, wonderful things about it, especially if

567
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Speaker 1: it takes you a little bit longer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, speaking of that question is kind of the

569
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Speaker 3: next question is too, if you could tell us more

570
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Speaker 3: about what ovulation induction is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So, there are so many different stages in fertility spectrum,

572
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Speaker 1: and one of them, for one of the kind of

573
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Speaker 1: earlier less intense than IVF, less intense than IUI, is

574
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Speaker 1: ovulation induction for people who have irregular cycles or just

575
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Speaker 1: don't know when they ovulate. So that makes it really

576
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Speaker 1: hard to know when you can try because you can

577
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Speaker 1: only try when you're ovulating, and that's sort of a

578
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Speaker 1: two day, forty eight hour period, and then because of

579
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Speaker 1: the life cycle of sperm and eggs, there's a few

580
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Speaker 1: more days either side, but it's a very specific timed window.

581
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Speaker 1: And when I had fifty six.

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Speaker 3: Day cycles, no idea.

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Speaker 1: That's just so impossible unless I was being on a

584
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: stick every day, like I had no way of knowing.

585
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Speaker 1: So your chances are already so messed up by just having

586
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Speaker 1: no guidance about when. So because of that, the fertility

587
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Speaker 1: specialist that I was working with suggested ovulation induction, which

588
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Speaker 1: is the injection video that I uploaded. So it's a

589
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Speaker 1: very small needle, looks like a pen and it's a

590
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Speaker 1: trigger shot, so you give yourself the shot. They teach

591
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Speaker 1: you how to do it. It's not a huge vaccination

592
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: type needle. It's like really small. You can ice it

593
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: so your numb so you don't really feel it going.

594
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Speaker 1: It wasn't nearly as scary as it looks, and that

595
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: brings on your ovulation. So they give you ultrasounds and

596
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: they check that you're getting close to natural ovulation, and

597
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: then they'll say, okay, we think it's going to happen

598
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Speaker 1: in the next sort of forty eight hours, so on

599
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Speaker 1: this day take the injection and that guarantees that in

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Speaker 1: that block you will ovulate. So then they tell you

601
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Speaker 1: it's very clinical, but they're like, you take the injection

602
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Speaker 1: on this day and then you have sex on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday,

603
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and that at least make sure that

604
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: you're putting in the effort in a window where it's

605
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: going to matter rather than you're just stabbing in the

606
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Speaker 1: dark kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: And so how often do you have this have to

608
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Speaker 3: have these ultrasounds for them to give you this window

609
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: or is it just one, and then from there they

610
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Speaker 3: can gauge for the next couple of months.

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Speaker 1: So you would usually start the appointments at the start

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Speaker 1: of yours. So I think most people will We'll go

613
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Speaker 1: and have an appointment at the start of their period

614
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Speaker 1: so they know when the actual menstruation has started, and

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Speaker 1: then you can kind of start tracking how many days

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Speaker 1: it's been since your period. I did three different scans

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Speaker 1: before they figured out I was close enough to take

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Speaker 1: the injection. I'm not sure. I haven't spoken to that

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Speaker 1: many people who have done it otherwise, but I think

620
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Speaker 1: what happens, at least with me, pricing wise, you pay

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Speaker 1: for a cycle and you get as many scans as

622
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Speaker 1: you need in that cycle, so you're not paying each scan.

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Speaker 1: So if you need six scans, that's fine, if you

624
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Speaker 1: need two, that's fine. It's not like the more scans

625
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Speaker 1: you need, the more you pay. It's like you pay

626
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Speaker 1: for the population reduction cycle, and that covers all the scans,

627
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Speaker 1: all the medication.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I see, okay, cool, And then it was the

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Speaker 3: next question was how long between miscarriage and pregnancy? Like

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Speaker 3: I think you kind of kind of touched on it

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Speaker 3: in that answer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so three cycles read yeah. But interestingly, following on

633
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Speaker 1: with the ovulation induction question, we didn't fall pregnant that cycle,

634
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Speaker 1: so we did the injections. Some people have period symptoms

635
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Speaker 1: after that. I kind of just had cramps. You do

636
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: have to be a bit gentle with yourself. Some people

637
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: get quite bloated. And then we followed exactly the days

638
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: they called it have relations, which is so gross. But

639
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Speaker 1: that didn't work that cycle, and then we fell pregnant naturally,

640
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Speaker 1: So we didn't do another ovulation induction cycle the next

641
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Speaker 1: month because my cycles were getting so regular by then

642
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 1: that we'd kind of figured out when it vaguely would be.

643
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Speaker 1: And then we were also going to be overseas, so

644
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Speaker 1: they were like, we can't scan you when you're overseas,

645
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: so we might as well just take a break. You

646
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: take the pea sticks and pee on them in this

647
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: vague window, and then you'll know same thing. They'll be like,

648
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: it'll say, within forty eight hours, you lovula, and then

649
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: you do it on these days and then that cycle,

650
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Speaker 1: naturally we felt pregnant.

651
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: Kind of leads into the next question because the next

652
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Speaker 3: question was did you consider IVF or conceiving naturally, which

653
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Speaker 3: you end up ended up actually conceiving naturally, not needing

654
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Speaker 3: povulation induction or even aUI.

655
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Speaker 1: Yes, so we had definitely considered the possibility that we

656
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: would need to do IVF. IUI I think is the step.

657
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: It's intra uterine insertion. I think it is in between

658
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: population induction and IVF, And there's lots of different kind

659
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: of steps you can take before. Sometimes if you have

660
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: chronic end or something, you might get recommended to go

661
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: straight to a certain stage based on your eggs and

662
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: all the tests. All I would say is information is key,

663
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: like the more you have to work with, the less

664
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 1: stabbing in the dark and not time wasting. But there

665
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: are certain things that medically they could say are not likely,

666
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: so you know, if you really want, if you really

667
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: feel like you're running out of time. For us, we

668
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: considered both, and we're ready for the fact that it

669
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: could be really difficult. We had no kind of identified

670
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: fertility problems, and the miscarriage they take the placenta after

671
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: words and tests to see if there was a reason,

672
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: and there was no reason. It was just a mathematical

673
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: it just happens. But we still thought it might be

674
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: we might need to, and we definitely considered it, but

675
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: we were very lucky that we didn't get that far

676
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: into needing any more investigations. But we had definitely thought

677
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: about it, and then we're very prepared for it given

678
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: so many of our friends have done IVF. Mum did

679
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: IVF for ten years.

680
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that. I think i UI is the

681
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: first for same sex female couples, and then if some

682
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: of them might go straight to IVF for something, but

683
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: often they'll try aUI because cheaper.

684
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: Yes than the four accessible Yeah, and I think it's

685
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: less invasive on your yeah body, so you still do

686
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: egg collections. I never had to do a collections or anything,

687
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: but you will have the same trigger injection before an

688
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: egg collection as well. But we never yet had to

689
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: go that far, which we were very very surprised about.

690
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: You, my friend, and then did you do anything differently

691
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: this time?

692
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: It's funny that so much there's so much science and

693
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: it can be really easy to get bugged down in

694
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: like the research of if you stand on your head

695
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: or if you do this, and blah blah blah. But

696
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: the anecdotally, the biggest advice we got is like if

697
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: you overthink it, and you add too much cortisol and

698
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: stress around the whole thing. You make it a lot

699
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: harder for your body to just do its thing. So

700
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: that's why so many people go on holiday and often

701
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: when they stop trying so hard. I'm not saying go

702
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: and stop trying hard, but just people have a lot

703
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: of stories that it's the minute they kind of relax

704
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: a little bit and go on to holidays. So we

705
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: happen to have the wedding in Greece that you guys

706
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: might remember, and because we couldn't do any population induction,

707
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: we couldn't do any appointments. We were like, well, we

708
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: know the timeframe, we'll try, but you know, this is

709
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: not an intense trying cycle. This is a where overseas whatever.

710
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: And it was the weekend and of the wedding that

711
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: I happened to be ovulating, So we were really relaxed.

712
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: We were just warm and on a holiday and having

713
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: the best time. And I would say the main thing

714
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: we tried differently was not being stressed and trying to

715
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: fit it in around work and trips and doctor's appointments,

716
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: and we weren't so focused on timing and everything. Yeah,

717
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't kind of surprise many people when I'm like,

718
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: it was the weekend in Greece, They're like, well, here go,

719
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: you're on holiday, you were relaxed, your cortisolt was low.

720
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I member you coming back and being like I

721
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: was zened out because at that time the miscarriage article

722
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 3: had also come out over in Greece, and so you

723
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: had this mass relief because everything kind of was that

724
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: you didn't have to hide that anymore, you didn't have

725
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 3: to hold onto it by yourself, and then you had

726
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: that massive relief, then all this support.

727
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: It was one of that same weekend.

728
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 3: Yea, it was a perfect little like how it happened

729
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: for you to be completely stressed.

730
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: Free, and the timing is a coincidence, but it's also not.

731
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: I think the way that we had so much closure

732
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: around it, like the article AOL literally came out on

733
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: I think Stella's a Saturday, and the wedding was that Saturday,

734
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: and then I was ovulating that Saturday, like it's so weird.

735
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: But the closure, the stress free, the separation from the

736
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: daily grind eating like a Mediterranean diet, even things like that.

737
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: You know, we were just in Greece, so I know

738
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: and then like, yeah, literally fourteen days later.

739
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: IDA believe I know this is I have to say,

740
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 3: this is news to me. I didn't know that you

741
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 3: conceived in grease?

742
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: Did I tell you?

743
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: I obviously don't ask.

744
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: I've watched my video you Dick, obviously, my announcement video

745
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: like spells it out you are.

746
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: I feel like, what periods of it? And I'm like, oh, well,

747
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: well do you know why? I sometimes because I know

748
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: it all already. Yeah, I watched the start. I'm like, oh, yeah,

749
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: I know this.

750
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, fourteen days after.

751
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: Then I realized I don't sometimes. And I also obviously

752
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: didn't ask for very good questions because for the whole

753
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: time I've known, I didn't even know when your body conceived.

754
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so because we were tracking, Like if you're not tracking,

755
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: it's sometimes hard. You know, people don't really know working backwards.

756
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: I've always been like, when people like you were conceived

757
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: that and I'm like, how do you know what was

758
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: the exact night? But you do because you work out

759
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: when you're counting, you know when you ovulate it, so

760
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: it had to be in the ovulation period, and then

761
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: you know when you get the positive pregnancy test. How

762
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: many days post ovulation. So one of the terms that

763
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: you get very quickly initiated into is like a number DPO,

764
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: which is day's post ovulation. And like some people get

765
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: a positive pregnancy test as early as like seven or eight,

766
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: which is very rare, very very rare. And then also

767
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: the pregnancy tests, some of them are like six days

768
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: before you're missed, like very very early ones, so you

769
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: kind of can get you know, really it's like twelve

770
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: to fourteen days, but if the early test kind of

771
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: can get tiny tiny levels of the hormone in your body.

772
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: So I took all the early tests and they were

773
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: obviously all negative because it was too early, so I'd

774
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: just written it off. And then on the fourteenth day,

775
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know it's not this wasn't

776
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: our time, blah blah blah, and then it was positive

777
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 1: and I was like, I had like ten negative.

778
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: Tests because but fourteen days postovulation would be when you

779
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: would probably have the missed period. No, because I actually

780
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: normally is in the middle of late day fourteen to whatever.

781
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: So people that's testing eight days obviously obviously actively trying,

782
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: so you would be testing, yeah, but you would also

783
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: have missed the period as your first sign if you

784
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: didn't take that fourteen day test, no.

785
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yea, yeah, so you're either counting from yeah,

786
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: day's post expected period or day's postopulation. And also because

787
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: some people's ovulation is closer to their period and some

788
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: people it's further away, so it all depends on your body,

789
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: but generally they will align ish around fourteen days. Yeah.

790
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: Well, and then speaking of now you're pregnant and now

791
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: going through the chronological life cycle of this experience, did

792
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: you hear phil any anxiety about being pregnant after just

793
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: having lost your first.

794
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: One so much? I quickly acknowledged this on Instagram yesterday

795
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: and had the most responses. I think to that slide,

796
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: the idea that anyone who has experienced a pregnancy loss

797
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: or any hiccups along the way will resonate with the

798
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: fact that a really unfortunate but totally natural consequence of

799
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: a bad experience or a tough experience that didn't go

800
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: how you planned, is that you are so much more

801
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: hesitant to celebrate. And that makes sense because you are

802
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: much more anxious. You do have PTSD, but just kind

803
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: of you remember the weeks when things happened and the

804
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: weeks when things should have happened by and it definitely changes.

805
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: I think people who just have a very smooth first

806
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: pregnancy without knowing that they body could not carry to

807
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: a certain time, not that they don't have anxiety. Of course,

808
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: anyone pregnant has anxiety about making it to the twelve

809
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: weeks and all that kind of thing that I think

810
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: it's not imprinted in your brain so much so you

811
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: just relax a little bit more, I think into each week,

812
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: whereas with a miscarriage, you've got that particular week that

813
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: had happened last time. That's a big line, and then

814
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: looking out for certain symptoms, that's a huge line. I

815
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: think it's just more paranoid. And that meant that I

816
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: did a lot of things differently. I told obviously, announced

817
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: it at eighteen weeks, like a lot later than I expected.

818
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: Announced it to friends and family a lot later, except

819
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: friends who had known about the miscarriage. I told them

820
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: earlier because I thought I would need the support of you,

821
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: and again we celebrated internally a lot later. I just

822
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: totally ignored it for the first eight to ten weeks.

823
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: I just was like, I can't deal with how stressful

824
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: it would be to attach to this idea. So even

825
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: the fact that I took not many photos, I didn't

826
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: record anyone's reactions. I recorded yours. Last time, I recorded

827
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 1: a few people's, but in our announcement videos, I didn't

828
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: record anyone. And not that that's a marker, A lot

829
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: of people don't record that, but in my world, I

830
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: record everything. Yeah, like that's even just for me to

831
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: keep the videos. I didn't want them in case because

832
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: I had to delete a whole folder last time and

833
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: it was really tough. So I treated every stage of

834
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: those early weeks as it'll be a bonus if I

835
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: do stay pregnant. But I'm not going to assume I'll

836
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: just ignore. And I think it's a shame because it

837
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: takes a bit of the joy out of it.

838
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I didn't not like this is at

839
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 3: all about me, but as someone to support a friend

840
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: in pregnancy and not know how to respond, really all

841
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: it was actually easier than I thought because all I

842
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: did was mirror the excitement that you brought to it,

843
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 3: Like you were like, oh my god, we're pregnant, and

844
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: in that way, I just knew it was an exciting time. Yeah,

845
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 3: And I just straight up. So it's like, are you

846
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: nervous and you said yes, And I agree fully that

847
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: it was the eight to ten week period yeah, when

848
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: you were really like even I was like, this is

849
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: all good because you were like, this is all good

850
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: because I think you had a really great relationship with

851
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 3: your doctors, Yeah, who had known the first time, and

852
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: they were a lot more hopeful, and that for you

853
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: was like all you needed. Yeah, and there were some

854
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: other markers. I think for you guys, I think it

855
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 3: was around the eight weeks, which is only two weeks

856
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: after you kind of told me that.

857
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, this is yeah, so it's good.

858
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: The worst time for us in particular, was between finding

859
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: that out, getting a positive test, and then you wait

860
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: for your first viability scan, which is the one where

861
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: it's really your first ultrasound after that confirms that the

862
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: pregnancy test is true, and you usually have to wait,

863
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: like they'll make you wait until they think that you

864
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: will have a heartbeat by then. Still sometimes you don't,

865
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: but a lot of people do. Around I think it

866
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: was like six or seven weeks, and for us that

867
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: was when last time we didn't and then every subsequent

868
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: scan we didn't have one and they knew very quickly

869
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: that like it never was going to have heartbeat. So

870
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: that for me was the worst period, was waiting for

871
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: that first one when they're like, you could have a heartbeat,

872
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: you could not. If you don't, it's still not the end.

873
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: But it was awful. And I honestly pretended I wasn't pregnant.

874
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: Like I got excited. I told Nick, we got excited.

875
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: Then we hid the test and we didn't say anything,

876
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: and then we just waited till the scan, and I

877
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: nearly threw up in it. Like I just was like,

878
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: and our doctor was amazing. She knew, so she said.

879
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: She didn't even say high. She's just like, light out,

880
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: let's do it. She knew that we were just waiting, yeah,

881
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: and we all it was Nick's birthday. It was her

882
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: birthday on the same day, the doctor and we all

883
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: just cried. We were just like that and it was

884
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: super strong, and it was early as well. They were like,

885
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: you might not have one still, and then it was

886
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: really really strong. So we were just like.

887
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: Because the other thing is the other thing is that

888
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 3: this time around, you found out a lot earlier than

889
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: you found out the previous time, because last time I

890
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: think you was. You were probably around four weeks last time.

891
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know when I had it ovulated, so it

892
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: just was like a random test.

893
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember you saying you had a five week scan,

894
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 3: and again this is from you not really having gone

895
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 3: through this journey before understanding the viability scan. Yeah, it

896
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 3: you were just like you thought it was a dating scan.

897
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: You were like going for my dating scan and.

898
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is what it is as well. It's like

899
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: figuring out how many weeks you generally are we.

900
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was Yeah, it was what I feel

901
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: like you found out a lot later last time, so

902
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: the period between finding out and waiting for the viability

903
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 3: scan was shorter, whereas this time it.

904
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: Was like the whole time and it had no expectations

905
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: last time either.

906
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

907
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: So what's really weird is that your your pregnancy is

908
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: dated from the date of your last period. So even

909
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: though by the time you're fourteen days past ovulation, it's

910
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: four weeks, like you're actually one day pregnant, but they

911
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: actually counted as four weeks pregnant, which is I don't know,

912
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: it's so weird, But then they work out when your

913
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: due date is based on that, and like because everyone

914
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: cycles a different length. I still doesn't make sense to me.

915
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: But anyway, but how are you feeling now about it?

916
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: So excited? Yes, I just when we got to the

917
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: you know that twelve to thirteen week scan, which is

918
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: when you do the NIP test, which is all the

919
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: genetic markers, do you find out the gender that's generally

920
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: considered like you've made it past the safe zone. And

921
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: that's when a lot of people announce. That was a huge,

922
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: huge relief, but I think we were still a bit

923
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: colored by last time, and so we told more family

924
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: and some very close friends, but then we still just

925
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: were like not ready to announce it to the world,

926
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: So we waited another Like one of the main questions

927
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: that people asked were how many weeks along that we are,

928
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: And we're actually eighteen weeks, which is really halfway. I know,

929
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: but I just needed to wait till the next scan,

930
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: which was eighteen week scan, and that was very very healthy,

931
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: not surprisingly in the next scan. So the first scan

932
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: that we had where we had the heartbeat, the baby

933
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: was just a bean and a heart a boon, and

934
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 1: that was with out fertility specialist. And then the next

935
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: appointment was our first one with our actual obstric we'd

936
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: chosen an obstetrician. In between those two scans is when

937
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: you kind of pick your hospital and find your doctor.

938
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: And we have an amazing, amazing Obea. I love her

939
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: so much. She says the word ya, and her scrubs

940
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: are like bright pink. So I was like, you, we're

941
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: meant to be. And she said, look this ultrasound. You'll

942
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: hear the heartbeat again. You might like it might not

943
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: move right like they might wriggle. You'll see some limbs

944
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: and ahead it'll be more than a bean, but probably

945
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: won't move. Our baby jumped the entire time, like jumped,

946
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: like you'll see. I put the part of the ultrasound up.

947
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, this is a Davidson, like

948
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: this is a busy Davidson. And then all the scancers

949
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: and yes, that.

950
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 3: Is my son. Yeah literally, and then eighteen weeks so you're.

951
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: Due first week of April.

952
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 3: I know it's going to be in April April four.

953
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: It's also going to be the third fire sign in

954
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: this family. And another area areas of fire sign Areas

955
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: is a fire sign. I'm an areas of nix Leo,

956
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: which is one of my huh, Aquarius, don't you know

957
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: what you are? No idea? What get out of this

958
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: right now?

959
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: What do you mean?

960
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: Aquarius is obviously a water sign. Aqua anyway, cricket, it's

961
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: not answer questions, it's Sarah questions.

962
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: Okay, so what are your first symptoms?

963
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: So interestingly, my symptoms last time and this time were

964
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: the same, really intense nausea. Do you know?

965
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I was sick. You are amazing though, because you

966
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: were so nauseous. Yeah, you just turn up to these

967
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 3: things like MC just into Allen and it was just

968
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: into Alan.

969
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: I think she's home and away. Wait, let me check

970
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: she's someone she's not just into. That's amazing.

971
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Anyway, you like a book launched last

972
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: time on.

973
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: Alan is an Australian politician. I can't. I didn't know that.

974
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: That's terrible. I don't know why that's anyway. Yeah, you

975
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: were pregnant.

976
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: Like pretty much everything in the last you know, a

977
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: few months you've been bren but you managed nausea very

978
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 3: like you. I can attest to you were very, very nauseous.

979
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 3: But I feel like you're very resilient because you kind

980
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: of just keep it rocking up.

981
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: I was pretty sick. Yeah, So someone actually asked me,

982
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: I think you have heard before that I'm like, not

983
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 1: just scared, but phobic a vomiting, Like, I hate it.

984
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: I hate it. I'll actively avoid life experiences if I

985
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: think there's a chance of vomiting. So how do I like,

986
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: I actually can't, like, even if I have food poisoning,

987
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: I'd rather hold it in and feel sick for longer.

988
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: So pregnancy was actually quite anxiety inducing, thinking I could

989
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: just be vomiting the whole time. But then I also

990
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: thought it might break the phobia. Anyway, I didn't. I

991
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: haven't been a thrower opera, which is amazing, but I

992
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: have instead had you know, the level nine nausea that's

993
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: like in your throat.

994
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 3: Just before you throw it ueah.

995
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: So that like all day for ten weeks. I oh,

996
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: it was really rough.

997
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: I remember when you were in tuging me out that question,

998
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: would you rather be cold for the rest of your

999
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: life or nauseous? And everyone was like cold, yeah, because

1000
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: nausea is the worst feeling.

1001
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: And I feel like sometimes when you throw up you

1002
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: get release, but it just sits sat in my throat

1003
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: for like ten weeks. And because you don't know how

1004
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: long your body's going to have it. There's no end time.

1005
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: So my way of describing it to Nick was, imagine

1006
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: you have food poisoning, right, you know, it's awful and

1007
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: you're on the floor, but you're like, in forty eight

1008
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: hours max, it'll be out of my body having that,

1009
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: but being like in ten to twelve weeks it'll be gone.

1010
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: Maybe what And.

1011
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 3: The things that people around you can't really empathize or

1012
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: sympathize unless they're currently nauseous and remember what it feels like, yeah,

1013
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: because I don't think many just remember what nause it

1014
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 3: feels like and how in abstract Yeah.

1015
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: And also you don't tell them you're pregnant yet, so

1016
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: no one knows that you're going through this. So one

1017
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: of the other questions was someone asking why I was

1018
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 1: only eating crackers and.

1019
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 3: Later and Sarah's answering her running her own questions because

1020
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 3: I organize she's not even looking at the questions right now.

1021
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 3: She's like, there is a future question.

1022
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: This is my lawyer brain. The future question about why

1023
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: I could only eat crackers and brand and pizza was

1024
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: I felt so sick that and it's very common that

1025
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: you the first thing you feel like eating is a

1026
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: bland carp like crackers that have no flavor, and it's

1027
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: like hungover diet, like you just want plane. Oh the

1028
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: idea of like chicken on it ooh nah, You couldn't

1029
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 1: eat a salad or a green vegetable like and I mean,

1030
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: if I thought about it, I would want to throw up.

1031
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: Like you physically can't swallow any other food except the

1032
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: food that you know you can get down, which was

1033
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: usually something really bland like plain rise toast, to the

1034
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: point where Nick was so worried that the baby was

1035
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: getting no nutrients that he asked the ob. He's like,

1036
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm actually really worried she's not eaten, Like I'm a

1037
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: big salad eater and veggieater. He's like, she can't eat protein,

1038
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: she can't eat anything. And the way that the ob

1039
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: described it to kind of make us worry less was

1040
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: babies for the ages have survived. It's your body's natural

1041
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: response to like explosive growth. The first trimester, you grow

1042
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: all the organs like they're done by the second semester.

1043
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: A semester trimester, it's just growing bigger. But in that

1044
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: stage of growing a heart and a liver, and a kidney.

1045
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: What after a marathon do you need you need glucose,

1046
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: You just need quick energy and then like later you

1047
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: replenish your vegetables and nutrients and stuff. But they're like,

1048
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: you need quick, easy energy, and that's like white plaining carbs.

1049
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: And you've eaten vegetables your whole life, and you'll eat

1050
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: them again in the other trimesters. You'll be fine as

1051
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: long as you're taking a prenatle it's very natural and

1052
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: some women can't even keep food down at all, so

1053
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: you'll be okay. Just like if you're craving it, there's

1054
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: a reason. So I literally I only started eating vegetables

1055
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: again like two weeks ago.

1056
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 3: It's actually crazy how the body can figure itself out.

1057
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: And she's like babies are smart what they need.

1058
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 3: Because often when I'm nauseous, no appetite, whereas your nauseous

1059
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 3: and you're like, I still would like a plain cup

1060
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 3: hydrant because the body knows that it's doing its thing.

1061
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: Crazy amazing, Or it'd be like I need vanilla ice

1062
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: cream because it's inoffensive and you'll get sugar and energy,

1063
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: but it won't make you throw up.

1064
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: So weird, it's just so awesome though.

1065
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: And now the nausea has calm down a lot. But

1066
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: now I'm like chronic fatigue level tired like I thought

1067
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: I knew being tired generally, but it's just like a

1068
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: chemical tiredness.

1069
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: Let's big for you because you're you're a non That's

1070
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 3: what I've decided. You're resilient but also a non complainer,

1071
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: which makes you feel very resilient.

1072
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: Nick would probably say otherwise.

1073
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 3: No, I really don't think you're actually a real non

1074
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 3: complaint of really scheme of baby baby whoa, oh no,

1075
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: okay went through.

1076
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: We're a thupple.

1077
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, we did.

1078
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: You are actually and he's the one bearing the little one.

1079
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 3: I am breast giving, breastfeeding, she's with child.

1080
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: The other symptom is my boobs grew before my tummy,

1081
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: you guys know, myty titty committee Like Ant has a

1082
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: screenshot of me showing her on the phone. I was like,

1083
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: look at my fucking boobs, like, yeah, they are so

1084
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: great right now.

1085
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 3: Sarah was like, look out, I'm perscuped. I'm sure I'm

1086
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 3: sucking it and you can't tell her. I was like, yeah, yeah,

1087
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: you're your arios are coming out of your habra one of.

1088
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: My really good friends was like a boob job. I

1089
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 1: was like, I think that different and in one particular outfit,

1090
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, I actually thought you had surgery.

1091
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 3: They were in that photo. You could you could share

1092
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 3: it will Maybe it was a pink. It was either

1093
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 3: the pinker. Yeah, it's big, m m. You are gonna

1094
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 3: have big, big nipples. But also for a baby.

1095
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: I also feel like one of the coolest things about

1096
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: the body that I've learned is that your nipples start

1097
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: to go dark and bigger, so that the baby, when

1098
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: it can't see properly because their eyes don't develop straight

1099
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: away when they're born, can find it. It's like a

1100
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: little homing system, so cute and clever. Anyway, next things,

1101
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: every day the house, I see that literally but not

1102
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: even in a sexy way. He's just like, I found it.

1103
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: My god, you're an idiot.

1104
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: Speaking of being nauseous in that whole time. And I

1105
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: did mention that you kind of kept up with appearance.

1106
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: Is how did you do that?

1107
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: I think with a lot of conversations with other women

1108
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: about this, I think you honestly just get on with

1109
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: it because you have no choice, Like you're not going

1110
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: to tell people to get leeway given to you.

1111
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 3: Some people no, I agree, you don't, Yes, but you

1112
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 3: still you made more appearances you didn't say no.

1113
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: Any average person. Yeah, Honestly, a lot of them I

1114
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: had already locked in before we knew we were pregnant,

1115
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: or before I knew I'd be that nauseous. So I

1116
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: just kept those because they were big commitments that would

1117
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: be really really hard for people to replace. Also, just

1118
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: into odent like I would. I wanted to have that experience,

1119
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, yeah, firstly, you just kind of

1120
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: do what you have to do because it's just one

1121
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: of your life where you you know it's a bit

1122
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: of a struggle, but you just deal with it. You're

1123
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: not ready to tell people, so you can't really get

1124
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: create space for that feeling. A couple of times I

1125
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: did have anti nausea wafers, which I was given on Danzetron.

1126
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have those, and I've

1127
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: hardly taken them because I just preferred if I wasn't

1128
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: people facing and there wasn't a risk ID voment on

1129
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: a world leader, then I didn't take them. But in

1130
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: situations where I really needed to pull through, a couple

1131
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: of times I did take those and they were really helpful.

1132
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: But also there's something about like if you're lying down

1133
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: when you feel sick and just thinking about it, it's worse.

1134
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: Whereas if you get dressed, you have a shower, put

1135
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: your makeup on, and you go to the event, it's

1136
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: you're so distracted. It almost helped to be busy in

1137
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: that time because you're just it's just a waiting game.

1138
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: You're just passing time to get to the safe zone.

1139
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: So it almost helped me to be busier because when

1140
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't I just sit at home, think about feeling

1141
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: sick and think about what week I was up to.

1142
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: So it felt really slow in the weeks I was

1143
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: doing that much. And I'm sure it's different if you're

1144
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: like there were days some people have, you know, sent

1145
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 1: in feedback that they were literally bedridden. There were days

1146
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: I was bedridden and I had to cancel a lot

1147
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: of things because I was like, I literally cannot get up.

1148
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: But there were other days where it helped me to

1149
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: get up. So I think I'm also very fortunate that

1150
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: our job, I can film at home. A lot of

1151
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: times recording we do it at home, or there's leeway

1152
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: it's not live, whereas friends of mine lawyers in court like,

1153
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: you've got no choice, you have to run out and

1154
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: vomit and then come back and present. So I was

1155
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: lucky that we had a life that could be structured

1156
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: a bit around really bad days. But I also, I

1157
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like I didn't want to let

1158
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: go of that identity, my non pregnant identity too early either,

1159
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: so I wanted to keep all those commitments. And yeah,

1160
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: there's a hilarious amount of behind the scenes photos though

1161
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 1: from all of those events where I'm just like dead

1162
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: on the floor for the whole rest of the day

1163
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: with a pizza heart in my mouth, half out, like

1164
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: with all the photos I've sent you, like after glamorous

1165
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: looking at events. So I'm just like, kao, did.

1166
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 3: That reflect a lot at home with you and Nick?

1167
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: Though?

1168
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 3: Like were you very low energy with then? Did that

1169
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 3: affect your relationship with me?

1170
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: No, that's another question? Actually, how have you guys? Sorry?

1171
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 3: Question a goodness?

1172
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: He has been amazing And one of the things I

1173
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: will say on the flip side of an earlier pregnancy

1174
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: loss changing your celebration, it also changes your perspective the

1175
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: entire way through I feel like your symptoms are all

1176
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: so much easier to tolerate when you're like this is

1177
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,959
Speaker 1: for a healthy child, Like I will not complain about

1178
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: nausea because I'm just so glad I'm pregnant, Like it

1179
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: changes even like body image. I think a lot of

1180
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: women freak out the first time they start to get

1181
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: a belly or they put on a little bit of weight.

1182
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: And as someone who trains regularly, I haven't been able

1183
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: to train at all. Even gentle walks kind of puffed

1184
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: me out. I thought I would find that really hard,

1185
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: but I did last time, or is this time. I'm like,

1186
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: if this is what it takes for me to be

1187
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: a vessel for a child, that is what it takes

1188
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: for me to be a vessel. Like it put everything

1189
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: in perspective, and I think same for Nick, Like We've

1190
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: had times that have been really hard where I've been

1191
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: totally useless, and might I add in the middle of

1192
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: a renovation, so my usefulness went dramatically down.

1193
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 3: You were good, though, you even wore in ninety fives

1194
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: and stuff to try to contribute.

1195
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: I did keep contributing to the extent that was safe.

1196
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: Like I stopped any painting with like heavy fumes. I

1197
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: did that, you did, you stepped up a lot.

1198
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 3: I loved it.

1199
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: Anything that had like we'd had pest control and stuff.

1200
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be in the house, but I did. I

1201
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: was extremely handy at the start, and then further on

1202
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: it was hard that Nick was doing everything and I

1203
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: couldn't even be like his assistant. And I think the

1204
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: question was from someone who had said that they feel

1205
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: really guilty that their partner's like shouldering all the weight.

1206
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: I feel like the way that you flip that is

1207
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: they also don't have to physically change anything in their

1208
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: life while you bear this child, like you're going through

1209
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: all the symptoms, you're feeling shitty. The reason you're exhausted

1210
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: is not because you've gone out partying. It's because you're

1211
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: growing a child's limbs and digits, and like they can't

1212
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: physically contribute to that. So it's just a time where

1213
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: I am all for equality. I'm a hardcore feminist, but

1214
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: I also acknowledge there are certain times where they can't

1215
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,919
Speaker 1: equally contribute and you can't equally contribute. So your role

1216
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: becomes grow this child, and their role has to be

1217
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: do everything you can't do because they can't help with

1218
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: the bearing, so you can't help with the other stuff.

1219
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: And that's just a partnership, right.

1220
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 3: But I think that's what makes it made it successful

1221
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 3: successful for you, is that Nick is really good at

1222
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 3: understanding his role in this. Yeah, because some I think

1223
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: in some partnerships it's very hard. And I don't know

1224
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 3: what it's like to be the male in a heterosexual

1225
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 3: relationship where the wife is pregnant, Like that's a very

1226
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 3: specific situation to me, and that neither of us, you

1227
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 3: and I would never experience. And I don't know if

1228
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 3: you could ever kind of like really tell the man

1229
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 3: how hard it is to bear a child. So you

1230
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 3: kind of have to trust that they under stage and

1231
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 3: Nick gets it, like it's really good at being like,

1232
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 3: she's not being a complainer. This is like the macro

1233
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 3: thing is that we're making off ye, she's growing up?

1234
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right now.

1235
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 3: And I don't have to do anything for that for.

1236
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: That, yeah, whatsoever. I think when I wasn't showing at all,

1237
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: like very early when I had, you often have the

1238
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: worst symptoms when you're showing the least, which is a

1239
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: bit confusing. So he would forget and have days where

1240
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: he's like I'm just at the house from like eight

1241
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: in the morning until ten at night, and like you've

1242
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: been napping all day and like I'm tired, and I'm like,

1243
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: you're tired. Yeah, and then he go, okay, okay, So yeah,

1244
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: like and it is hard when you're not visually reminded,

1245
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: but I think you do have a lot of conversations

1246
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: about how your contributions to certain things will be different

1247
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: for a while and you can work that out. Yeah,

1248
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: and then but yeah, he's been amazing.

1249
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has. He actually has been, and I think

1250
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 3: the house has been. Yeah. Other than Davidson, the David Davidson,

1251
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 3: what other names can you think of that go with Davidson, Davidson, Davidson.

1252
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: Yay, Davidson. We have chosen our name already. We had

1253
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: actually chosen names for a girl or a boy like

1254
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: years ago, and their family names. So that is probably

1255
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: the one thing we will keep secret until until the

1256
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: baby arrives, until the little man arrives, But we have names.

1257
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: Our original name, which was just fishits and giggles, was

1258
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: Max because we wanted his middle name to be Danger,

1259
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: so he could say Danger's my middle name, and then

1260
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: it'd be Max Danger Davidson.

1261
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 3: Okay, that wasn't that was you were serious about it?

1262
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: I was, definitely, and then I realized, oh my god,

1263
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: I can't do that. That's child abuse.

1264
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 3: When I asked, I was like, oh, so he's gonna

1265
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 3: be and You're like no, no, no, And I was like,

1266
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 3: what do you mean. No, you're convinced.

1267
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: Because Max is cute and then Max Danger is like

1268
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: the maximum danger and then he could say dangers my

1269
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: middle name. And then I was like, but if he's

1270
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: not a cool kid, it's not Yeah, that only suits

1271
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: like a dangerous kid.

1272
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 3: But also if he's not a dangerous kid, he would

1273
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 3: be bully.

1274
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: I know. So we're not doing Max Danger. That's all

1275
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: I can say. And not yay either, not yeay Yavidson.

1276
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would love it.

1277
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: And it also won't be Nick what else goes with

1278
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: Nick Junior Jr.

1279
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 3: And it also won't be David's sons.

1280
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: David also won't be Chandler baby Girl Channel r P.

1281
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: But that's cute, David Davidson. It won't be David squared Son.

1282
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 3: David Dave, Dave Daniel.

1283
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: No, it won't start with d even though I love

1284
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: a literation Davidson. So that's what we call it, but

1285
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: the baby because we're like, it's baby Davidson, it's Davidson

1286
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: among ourselves.

1287
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 3: Baby, would you call it baby?

1288
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: I would never call it baby?

1289
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 3: What about it?

1290
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: Also, we're also pretty traditional, so it won't be like

1291
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: a Nathaniel Atlas max Maximilian's not too you know, but

1292
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: it won't be like I don't know, like Grizzly hyphen

1293
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: bear or like or like astrology or something stormy. Yeah,

1294
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Speaker 1: it won't be that. It'll be quite a traditional name

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01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: because it's a family name, so it's like a bit mon.

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Speaker 3: Guys, I'm asking questions as if I don't know.

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01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: Baby boy Angelina Angelina.

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Speaker 3: Preference a natural or C section?

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Speaker 1: Great question, I think because Mum, which I always forget,

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01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: didn't go through pregnancy, so it can't help me. I

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01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: have no preconceptions like many people do from their mothers

1302
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: about certain styles of birth, about breastfeeding or not. Like

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01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm not. I haven't been shaped by someone else's pregnancy experience,

1304
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: so I literally it is in the hands of my

1305
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: Hobie and what she thinks based on the position of

1306
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: the baby and my body and all of those things.

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01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: Like I would love to try for a natural birth

1308
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: as a first point of call, and I would love

1309
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: to try for no epadule and all that stuff.

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01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 3: Before I.

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01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: Do. You know what I mean though, Like I think

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01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: I'll just start with natural as a baseline. But I'm

1313
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: not so attached like some people are to a particular

1314
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: birth plan. And I also haven't part of the miscarriage

1315
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: was I didn't even think that far ahead. I was

1316
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: just like next scan, next scan, next scan. So we

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01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: have had the amazing Sophie from Australian Birth Stories on

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01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: the podcast, and I have her book and I'm suddenly

1319
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: devouring the chapters that are a little bit further along

1320
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: than the ones that I started reading. I definitely think

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01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: it's important to go and educated about the option rather

1322
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: than feeling disempowered and having things kind of recommended to

1323
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: you while you're delirious. I will have a plan, but

1324
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm not like devastated if you know it changes halfway through,

1325
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: as I suspect it does most of the time.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Nick will be in the delivery room? Yeah,

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01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 3: I reckon, you'll pass out.

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01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: He will definitely pass out. I actually feel like I

1329
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: feel sad for I feel not sad. I mean, obviously

1330
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: we are doing all the work. But I feel sad

1331
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: for the men because they're totally lucid and they're watching

1332
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: their partner like, look like she's dying but having no

1333
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: control over the equation. And then it's like masks and

1334
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: messy alerts and she's again. But also they they're so

1335
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: helpless in that moment, but they're completely together. So it's

1336
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: like imagine watching just your partner who you love bleeding

1337
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: and you can't help them, like whereas we're kind of

1338
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: like either drugged up or like so out of our

1339
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: brains in pain, like you know, you.

1340
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 3: Might not be to manifest.

1341
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm definitely petrified about tild birth. Yeah, a very small frame.

1342
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 3: So you speak to my mom, but mom's tiny.

1343
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like also your mom's giving birth, yes, so

1344
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: does acts she Mom's it.

1345
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 3: I was like, Mom, you would have more and more.

1346
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. I'm good at it.

1347
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: The other day she's like, I want seven. I'm like, babe,

1348
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: calm down.

1349
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 3: Mom, Like mama had lasted forty two. Yeah, it's tiny.

1350
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 3: She is four kids. I'm all huge. I came out

1351
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 3: like almost four kilos and like.

1352
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: I feel like that's old cheek by the way, what

1353
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: does that mean your four kilos well in your little cheek.

1354
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 3: I was like, it's still here.

1355
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: I feel like your body also figures it out, like

1356
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: even if you're a small frame, like your hips move already.

1357
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: My hips are moved. Like it's crazy.

1358
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we've got to manifest a nice experience. Yeah,

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01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 3: it will have to be a long wave of a

1360
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 3: lot of pain.

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01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: No, And I also feel like the biggest thing I've

1362
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: learned from Australian birth stories is that the more women

1363
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: educated about their options before they go in, they don't

1364
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: feel traumatized by anything because they're aware of what could come,

1365
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. So I'll definitely be doing some

1366
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: research and listening to all the episodes. I've actually already

1367
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: listened to most of them, but more of them nice

1368
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: shout out to Sophie will.

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01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 3: Love you, And they're kind of like a more yeah,

1370
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 3: less pregnancy but still pregnancy one. Do you have any

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01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,480
Speaker 3: pregnancy safe makeup? All lotions?

1372
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: It is. It is a whole new world, Like I

1373
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: honestly have just seen this divide in humans between non

1374
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: parents who don't know anything about anything about like tens, machines,

1375
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: all these terminologies, right, I've never known them before, and

1376
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: then everyone on the other side knows everything because you've

1377
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 1: had to like research it. So I'm in that like

1378
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: transitional phase where I'm like, oh my god, I can't

1379
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: use retinol, can't use all these ingredients, can't use liquorice root,

1380
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: some essential oil is about you, Like, there's so many

1381
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: things that you shouldn't do, and there's different scales of

1382
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: like from all the way from like smoking and alcohol

1383
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: to like this is risky, but it's not that risky

1384
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: and you can make up your own mind kind of thing.

1385
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: But one of the big things in skincare is retinal

1386
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:17,839
Speaker 1: and vitamin as you take those out pretty immediately and

1387
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: otherwise I already had quite a natural skincare routine, So

1388
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: I will that's probably more of an Instagram question. I'll

1389
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: start to list a couple of things I've been using

1390
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: well and some of the resources that helped me figure

1391
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: out what ingredients.

1392
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 3: I hate to plug. But actually Bloom Effects is yes.

1393
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 3: So the only reason I say that is because Kim,

1394
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 3: the founder, she most of their stuff is pretty pregnant

1395
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 3: safe and obviously we always.

1396
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: Say, you know, speak yeah to speak to your own yeah.

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 3: But all and almost all of the products that we

1398
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 3: make except for obviously the retinal and maybe if you

1399
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 3: maybe one.

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01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 1: Other I can use the vitamin say, I've been using

1401
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: the vitom Yeah.

1402
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 3: So the vitamin C is built to be pregnancy safe,

1403
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 3: as is a nectar. Most of it is because Kim

1404
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 3: developed it while she was pregnant.

1405
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and my every day a lot of people start

1406
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: rubbing their belly early first stretch marks. I use the

1407
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: body balm, yeah, every day.

1408
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 3: So she developed that for that reason.

1409
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in thee.

1410
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, genuinely though, have a look because.

1411
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything's safe even though it's still high performance.

1412
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 3: Because they've been they've been a life for four years

1413
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 3: and she's been pregnant twice in that time. That's true that,

1414
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 3: like the product development was a lot of it was

1415
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 3: testing on herself, but she's also got X men and dermatitis. Yeah,

1416
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 3: so it's actually like very efficacious as well as grape

1417
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 3: sensitive skin and like a lot of it is pregnant

1418
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: and safe.

1419
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: The vitamin particularly has been like amazing because you have

1420
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: to take out most of most of my cereums will

1421
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: written old cerrums, Yes, but vitamin C is an amazing

1422
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: kind of alternative yeah, I'll put leaps to that all.

1423
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, so I just thought of it.

1424
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: No, that was a good. That was a good.

1425
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 3: Only a few more questions. But in the pregnancy zone,

1426
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 3: it's anything hard about being a pregnant adoptee.

1427
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: Amazing question. So I thought I had had all my

1428
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: feelings about adoption in my life, Like I kind of

1429
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: thought I've made it to adulthood. I've kind of experienced

1430
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: every thought I could possibly have and every feeling and

1431
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: worked out how I feel about my birth mother and

1432
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: my foster mother and everything. And all of the girls

1433
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 1: in my group, who were all adopted together, have remarked

1434
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,799
Speaker 1: on how the only time you access a new levels

1435
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: of emotion that you didn't know you had is when

1436
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: you have kids because you've never thought about the process before.

1437
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: And so Korea, the trip and meeting seeing my foster

1438
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: parents again. Suddenly, the period of being zero to five

1439
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: months before I got to Australia, which I've always dismissed,

1440
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: is like I have no memories, it doesn't even matter.

1441
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: Suddenly I was fascinated in it because I'm like, I'm

1442
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: going to have a zero to five month old and

1443
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to know what to do with it, true,

1444
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: and it changes it definitely, like opened up a whole

1445
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: new world of I'm going to have my first blood relative,

1446
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: Like I don't have anyone around me whose gene pool

1447
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: is similar to mine. I've never seen anyone reflect my features.

1448
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: I've never shared DNA with someone i've met or been

1449
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,759
Speaker 1: in the same room as. And I've also never really

1450
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: thought about my birth mother that much because I've had

1451
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: so much contact with my foster parents, and to me,

1452
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: they're more significant because they shaped my curiosity when I

1453
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: was younger. They fed me, they had me in their

1454
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: family photos, whereas my birth mother didn't. But I think

1455
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: when I give birth, I will reflect a lot more

1456
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: on like someone gave birth to me and then gave

1457
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: me away, not in a traumatic way, but just more

1458
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: in a reflective, like a compassionate way.

1459
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 3: I think, Oh, I actually didn't even think about the

1460
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 3: fact that you have your first blood lineage.

1461
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh that was my biggest realization, was like, I

1462
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: won't know what to do with myself when our little

1463
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: boy starts to show features that look like me, Like

1464
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: I've never had that before, and I didn't realize I

1465
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: had another before. I just never think about it.

1466
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,879
Speaker 3: Either I just Elizabeth is just so your mom.

1467
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: She's just my mom and our I feel like her

1468
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: body language. I resemble her body language sometimes, so I'm like, oh,

1469
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,440
Speaker 1: I do that. So I've never felt like lacking in reflection,

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01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: I think.

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01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 3: And also because Alex is also South Koreana, yeah, I

1472
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 3: feel it feels like you guys are related, but you're not,

1473
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 3: like yeah, yeah.

1474
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 1: And one of our one of my good friends, Matt Purcell,

1475
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: who you guys will have heard on the podcast before,

1476
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: who's another South Korean adoptee. He has two daughters, and

1477
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: he said that that was a big shift for him,

1478
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: was having blood relatives who look like him. We've just

1479
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: never had that before.

1480
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 3: I speaking of adoption, we've got three last questions about adoption.

1481
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 3: Would you ever foster a child?

1482
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: Great question? So we have done a whole adoption episode

1483
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: on whether I would meet my birth mother or that,

1484
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: so I'll link that for that background. But this just

1485
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: came up after the career trip. I would love to

1486
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: foster a child, but I don't know that the process

1487
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: in Australia is the same. So I am are really

1488
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: good friends of ours, the real dads of Melbourne. They

1489
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: have foster children before. But I'm not actually sure what

1490
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: the rules are and how it like, I know this

1491
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: is it's so hard coming from someone who's who was

1492
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: fostered so beautifully. I don't we really really wanted to

1493
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: get a new baby Paul, for example, and we thought like,

1494
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: let's foster a Border Force puppy or a guy dog

1495
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: puppy or something to like get used to the puppy

1496
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 1: stage again. And Nick will not give it back. Now,

1497
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: He would never give He could not. He's just not

1498
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: capable of returning a puppy that came into his home

1499
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: that he loved, even knowing that it was for a

1500
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: foster period. So I just think we would we would

1501
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: adopt soon then foster. I think, even though that's such

1502
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 1: a like ar centric, selfish way to look at things,

1503
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: I genuinely think like we would attack. We have no

1504
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: capacity to attach, not.

1505
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,919
Speaker 3: All our love temper like a yeah.

1506
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 1: Even though that's such a valuable contribution to a life,

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01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: I would just immediately be my child and then I'd

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01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: be like yeah, and I'd never be able to And

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01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: I don't think you get much contact with them afterward.

1510
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: I just I just don't think I'm built for that

1511
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: and which makes me respect even more foster families. But

1512
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 1: I would adopt.

1513
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, speaking of the next question is is it?

1514
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 3: Do you know how hard or easy it is to

1515
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 3: adopt in Australia? And I think your mum's situation is

1516
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 3: very different time.

1517
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but still pretty similar in terms of the hurdles.

1518
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, is it. It's very difficult in that,

1519
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: like part of it is, Australia is signed up to

1520
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: a lot of child protection treaties, which is amazing and

1521
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect any less. But it does mean that

1522
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: requirements are so stringent that you have to deep through

1523
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: with certain financial situations. You have to have a social

1524
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 1: worker come and live with you. It costs a lot

1525
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: to invest in the adoption process, so it's not super accessible.

1526
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 3: But if you're in a relationship with a social worker,

1527
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 3: good second.

1528
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah for you guys I count I mean, I know

1529
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: habes and hapes of people who have adopted children. It

1530
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: is possible. It's definitely harder. Then it costs a lot

1531
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: of money. It's it's just there are a lot of

1532
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,799
Speaker 1: hurdles and it changes often. It also changes which countries

1533
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: you can adopt from. I'm not I can't speak to

1534
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: within country adoption, but into country adoption changes based on

1535
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: which countries are open to Australia, and I think Korea

1536
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: is open at the moment. It wasn't for a really

1537
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: long time, but it's a very long process, like it

1538
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: took four to five years for my brother, and it

1539
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: helped that I had already been adopted, even yours time

1540
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 1: was way longer. So I think it is quite a

1541
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: difficult process, but it's not impossible. And I have never

1542
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: I like, whenever anyone asked me, who is on their

1543
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: own journey towards adoption, about my experience, I have only

1544
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: the most amazing things to say about it, Like we

1545
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: have had the best life, the best life. We have

1546
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: never felt other. Really, I forget I'm Asian all the

1547
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: time too, Like everyone I look at the mirror, I'm like, what.

1548
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 3: I remember the one time I made that post, I

1549
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 3: was like my one Korean.

1550
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: I was so offended it wasn't me. I was like, Jane,

1551
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: what the fuck I forgot?

1552
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 3: I actually forgot you were Korean too.

1553
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: I forget all the time, and then I think it's

1554
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: beautiful that I can forget, Like what a privilege. And

1555
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a really it's a really really beautiful process.

1556
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: And often if the if the option is no children

1557
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: or adoption and you were born to be a parent,

1558
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: which mum was like, you just create a family bond

1559
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: that might not be blood, but people hate their blood relatives.

1560
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: Like that's not the be on and end all of

1561
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 1: connection and love at all.

1562
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 3: So, speaking of your mum, the last is I tried

1563
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 3: to get her on but when and will your mum story.

1564
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 1: Oh, she's just so shy.

1565
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:10,799
Speaker 3: So shy, guys, we've both tried so with peer pressured

1566
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 3: like I've tried accorded it. Yeah, I tried the like,

1567
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 3: you know, gentle.

1568
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: Approach and she wouldn't let me publish.

1569
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 3: And I got it. I got a tentative, a verbal yes,

1570
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 3: which in hindsight, I wish I got my lawyer hat

1571
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 3: on of yours and had it on paper or something.

1572
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: No, you know what, she's like, she'll always rescind she

1573
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 1: did the podcast, maybe delete the episode because she gets

1574
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: so she overthinks. She doesn't want to ever say anything

1575
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: that like would reflect badly on me or contradict something

1576
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: that I said about adoption, or she's just not a

1577
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: public eye person.

1578
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 3: I think also for her, adoption is a very sensitive

1579
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 3: topic in which she wants to be very respectful to

1580
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 3: the people of your audience that maybe be struggling or yeah,

1581
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 3: because I think she feels a slight sense of guilt

1582
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 3: which she shouldn't about being successful in it. Yeah, And

1583
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 3: like I think she's like people are some people are

1584
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 3: really trying and they can't and successful story.

1585
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, she's also very conscious that, like

1586
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm very open about it, but Alex isn't, so she

1587
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 1: doesn't want to say anything on his behalf. And then

1588
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: he's like, Mom, why did you do that? That's embarrassing

1589
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: because alex is already like Sarah stopped fucking being on

1590
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 1: the internet. It's not embarrassing all my friends. Literally He's like,

1591
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: everyone knows you're pregnant. Put your belly on. But mind you,

1592
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: he has already bought all of the outfits.

1593
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 3: And I'm so excited so much. But your mom's she

1594
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 3: I've heard the story, and your mom speaks about it

1595
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 3: very well and very engaging. So hopefully one day, but right.

1596
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: Now there has to be we have to like somehow

1597
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 1: like illegally record her that she doesn't know or maybe

1598
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 1: she'd a written one. She might do a written and

1599
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 1: then we could get a voice voice.

1600
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 3: I don't worry, we got it.

1601
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: No, No, she wouldn't do that. She would hear her

1602
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: and she'd be like, I hate my face, Like she's

1603
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: blessed her. I love her so much. Anyway, that was

1604
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: really long episode, but they were great questions and really

1605
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: liked them, so thank you so much, guys. We have

1606
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: coming up. We just had an amazing guest last week

1607
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: who decided she had her idea about the first ethical

1608
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: women's super fund for women in a shipping container in

1609
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,520
Speaker 1: Baghdad in Iraq when she was the head of operations

1610
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: for the UN World Food Program. What the insane amazing?

1611
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 1: In between, she also won like a small business award.

1612
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 1: She had done her she said, oh what was the

1613
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: other thing? She got qualified in? Something completely different? In

1614
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: the middle she the run for parliament. She ran for

1615
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: parltmer Oh my god, Chrissy Hobb's amazing episode and then

1616
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: similar vein they actually know each other, but I didn't

1617
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: know that until afterwards. Next guest. The next guest coming

1618
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: up is the head of the Australian Antarctic Program, who

1619
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 1: also came from a defense background and has a fascinating journey.

1620
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 1: And he was the head of the Antarctic program during

1621
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 1: COVID when they got stuck in Antarctic and couldn't come back.

1622
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: So that was really fun talking to him about everything antire.

1623
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 3: I'll actually this is this time.

1624
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: Then read the book I've got to put you. Oh mate,

1625
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: it's his diary of being an Antarctic for five hundred

1626
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: and thirty seven days.

1627
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, yes, and.

1628
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 1: Like couldn't like imagine going for twelve months and then

1629
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: you have to have a second winter. Yeah, with twenty people,

1630
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: that's cool. No one else isolated can't fly anything inner

1631
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: because COVID and you don't know when you're coming out.

1632
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Anyway, they were also the only people

1633
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 1: who had no lockdown because like.

1634
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 3: Because they verge of where they were there when they.

1635
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: Were kind of in lockdown, Like it was fun that

1636
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: they could like have parties and stuff because no one

1637
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: had COVID. They didn't have to do like social distance.

1638
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 3: He's reached twenty people literally.

1639
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,799
Speaker 1: But it was them just like in winter, dark darkness,

1640
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: all day, no nothing to do. Is so interesting. He's

1641
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 1: like he's he's material on leadership in that and resilience

1642
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:56,480
Speaker 1: like insane.

1643
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 3: Okay, can't wait.

1644
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's coming up next. And then we also

1645
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: have have one of the actors from Miss Sagon, Yes,

1646
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: who was a rugby player. I believe that's coming up. Yes,

1647
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know what else we have coming out. Christmas,

1648
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Christmas, Oh my god. Also, guys, Christmas

1649
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: festive shopping seize the a jewelry.

1650
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 3: Yes, oh my god, it's so pretty. It is so

1651
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 3: pretty in right now, it's really pretty. You guys have

1652
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 3: honestly peat pressure, but you have to really good Christmas present.

1653
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 3: But they look so pretty.

1654
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 1: And also it's wearable. Yeay, A gift of joy?

1655
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 3: Am getting some?

1656
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: Okay, great, I'll give you some.

1657
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 3: No, I don't want that, well

1658
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: I am anyway, Hello guys, Okay,