1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,584 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,624 --> 00:00:29,464 Speaker 2: to this bill, your daily pop culture fief. I'm Laura 5 00:00:29,544 --> 00:00:32,184 Speaker 2: Brodney and I'm Cassanulo Kisch And coming up on the 6 00:00:32,184 --> 00:00:35,104 Speaker 2: show today, there are some wild rumors that Sophie Turner 7 00:00:35,144 --> 00:00:37,784 Speaker 2: and Chris Martin are dating. We're going to get into that, 8 00:00:37,824 --> 00:00:39,944 Speaker 2: but actually the backstory between them is a little bit 9 00:00:39,984 --> 00:00:43,424 Speaker 2: more interesting than the rumors. Plus, Lily Allen's new album 10 00:00:43,504 --> 00:00:45,664 Speaker 2: West End Girl has been released. We have all been 11 00:00:45,704 --> 00:00:48,464 Speaker 2: listening to it on repeat as soon as it came out. 12 00:00:48,504 --> 00:00:51,344 Speaker 2: The world started this hunt for a woman called Madeline. 13 00:00:51,424 --> 00:00:54,024 Speaker 2: She has now come forward. It's gotten very messy. We're 14 00:00:54,024 --> 00:00:56,184 Speaker 2: going to unpack that, but first. 15 00:00:56,144 --> 00:00:59,464 Speaker 1: We have some more relationship news. Yes, so Katie Perry 16 00:00:59,504 --> 00:01:02,504 Speaker 1: and Justin Trudeau have hard launched their relationship in a 17 00:01:02,584 --> 00:01:07,104 Speaker 1: very very Hollywood way. So basically, Katie was celebrating her 18 00:01:07,144 --> 00:01:11,104 Speaker 1: forty first birthday over the weekend in Paris and her 19 00:01:11,144 --> 00:01:14,064 Speaker 1: and Justin were seen leaving from this famous cabaret club 20 00:01:14,144 --> 00:01:18,104 Speaker 1: called Crazy Horse Paris and they were pat and someone 21 00:01:18,144 --> 00:01:21,904 Speaker 1: gave Katie a rose saying happy Birthday. It was all 22 00:01:21,904 --> 00:01:25,824 Speaker 1: on TMZ and it really reminded me of like the 23 00:01:25,864 --> 00:01:29,584 Speaker 1: mid two thousands when people coming out of nightclubs and 24 00:01:29,664 --> 00:01:32,344 Speaker 1: it was all about TMZ and all about the paps, 25 00:01:32,344 --> 00:01:34,504 Speaker 1: because I feel like we don't see that as much anymore. 26 00:01:34,984 --> 00:01:37,064 Speaker 2: Yeah. Now a lot of the time celebs will either 27 00:01:37,144 --> 00:01:41,064 Speaker 2: do like a very stage red carpet to announce their relationship, 28 00:01:41,344 --> 00:01:43,304 Speaker 2: or they'll do it on Instagram like the rest of us, 29 00:01:43,624 --> 00:01:46,504 Speaker 2: in like a photo damp or like a video or 30 00:01:46,544 --> 00:01:48,864 Speaker 2: something like that to kind of very soft launch it. 31 00:01:49,264 --> 00:01:52,824 Speaker 2: I can't decide whether Katie and Justin Hard launching a 32 00:01:52,944 --> 00:01:56,224 Speaker 2: crazy horse is like the chicest thing ever, because it's 33 00:01:56,224 --> 00:01:59,224 Speaker 2: almost like it's so camp and silly that it almost 34 00:01:59,264 --> 00:02:01,384 Speaker 2: goes the other way, or if that is just a 35 00:02:01,424 --> 00:02:03,704 Speaker 2: crazy thing to do for like one of the world's 36 00:02:03,704 --> 00:02:06,784 Speaker 2: biggest pop stars to launch her relationship with the former 37 00:02:06,824 --> 00:02:07,944 Speaker 2: Prime Minister of Canada. 38 00:02:08,184 --> 00:02:11,424 Speaker 1: Yeah. So this particular club, it's a cabaret club. It's 39 00:02:11,504 --> 00:02:14,384 Speaker 1: kind of like the sexier, more avant Gode version of 40 00:02:14,504 --> 00:02:16,944 Speaker 1: mulan Roage. The way that I've seen it describe is 41 00:02:16,944 --> 00:02:18,824 Speaker 1: like all of these nude performances. No, I haven't, but 42 00:02:18,904 --> 00:02:21,344 Speaker 1: I went to The Box in New York. Oh did 43 00:02:21,384 --> 00:02:22,744 Speaker 1: you ever go to that place? No? 44 00:02:22,824 --> 00:02:24,544 Speaker 2: But I've been to Crazy Horse twice and it is 45 00:02:24,584 --> 00:02:25,224 Speaker 2: a fun time. 46 00:02:26,064 --> 00:02:28,224 Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of similar in that sort of 47 00:02:28,304 --> 00:02:32,344 Speaker 1: same way where it's very sexy performances at the Box, 48 00:02:32,384 --> 00:02:35,384 Speaker 1: Like there was one with a item that was used 49 00:02:35,504 --> 00:02:39,544 Speaker 1: in different orifices of someone's body live, So it's kind 50 00:02:39,544 --> 00:02:41,624 Speaker 1: of like a sex show but artistic. 51 00:02:41,984 --> 00:02:43,944 Speaker 2: Yeah, Crazy Hors is more like all the gorgeous women 52 00:02:43,984 --> 00:02:46,624 Speaker 2: dancing on stage, like mostly naked, but it's just some 53 00:02:46,664 --> 00:02:48,064 Speaker 2: moobs at the end of the day. Like it's a 54 00:02:48,064 --> 00:02:48,464 Speaker 2: fun time. 55 00:02:48,624 --> 00:02:51,904 Speaker 1: Did you ever watch that movie show Girl? Was it Showgirls? 56 00:02:51,984 --> 00:02:56,504 Speaker 1: Just to io nipples? Having the potently would do that 57 00:02:56,504 --> 00:02:57,224 Speaker 1: at Crazy Horse. 58 00:02:57,264 --> 00:02:59,664 Speaker 2: But it's a very cool place to have a birthday party. 59 00:02:59,664 --> 00:03:01,904 Speaker 2: But I guess also Katie and Justin, like they've been 60 00:03:01,944 --> 00:03:04,184 Speaker 2: so public with their relationship in a way, but it's 61 00:03:04,224 --> 00:03:07,064 Speaker 2: all very kind of calculated publicity, Like they had that 62 00:03:07,264 --> 00:03:10,024 Speaker 2: full date day in Canada where for some reason, we 63 00:03:10,104 --> 00:03:13,184 Speaker 2: know every restaurant they went to, every bar, what they ordered, 64 00:03:13,424 --> 00:03:16,304 Speaker 2: where they walked their dog, where he dropped her off. 65 00:03:16,344 --> 00:03:18,864 Speaker 2: And then there were the photos from the yacht, which 66 00:03:18,904 --> 00:03:21,984 Speaker 2: again could have been not completely staged because they were 67 00:03:21,984 --> 00:03:23,544 Speaker 2: on a private yacht, but they were in an area 68 00:03:23,584 --> 00:03:26,024 Speaker 2: that's well known for paparazzis. They must have known there 69 00:03:26,024 --> 00:03:28,984 Speaker 2: would be photographers there. They seems like happy to passionately 70 00:03:29,024 --> 00:03:30,904 Speaker 2: make out on top of the yacht. And now we've 71 00:03:30,904 --> 00:03:33,464 Speaker 2: had the exit from Crazy Horse. It's like they had 72 00:03:33,464 --> 00:03:36,624 Speaker 2: this three prong approach to their dating strategy of how 73 00:03:36,624 --> 00:03:38,464 Speaker 2: to roll it out. So by the time we saw 74 00:03:38,504 --> 00:03:40,824 Speaker 2: them in public like this, holding hands and it's such 75 00:03:40,864 --> 00:03:43,184 Speaker 2: a hard launch, people already on their side. 76 00:03:43,464 --> 00:03:45,824 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the gill was really interesting to me about 77 00:03:45,904 --> 00:03:48,944 Speaker 1: Katie Perry this year is that the public perception of 78 00:03:48,944 --> 00:03:51,344 Speaker 1: her seems to have really shifted. We had the whole 79 00:03:51,384 --> 00:03:54,744 Speaker 1: Space debark or where she launched her Lifetime's Tour setlist 80 00:03:54,864 --> 00:03:56,784 Speaker 1: and people were kind of a bit icked out by that. 81 00:03:56,904 --> 00:03:59,904 Speaker 1: Then there was all that blowback from Lifetimes Tour in general, 82 00:03:59,984 --> 00:04:02,624 Speaker 1: talking about how she wasn't going to sell a tickets. 83 00:04:02,944 --> 00:04:05,064 Speaker 1: But then there was this shift that we spoke about 84 00:04:05,104 --> 00:04:08,144 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago where she's now starting to sell 85 00:04:08,144 --> 00:04:12,024 Speaker 1: little tickets. This tour has been incredibly successful. Then she 86 00:04:12,064 --> 00:04:14,504 Speaker 1: breaks up with Orlando Bloom and everybody feels like they're 87 00:04:14,544 --> 00:04:17,384 Speaker 1: on her side, and now she's hard launching this relationship, 88 00:04:17,424 --> 00:04:19,944 Speaker 1: and the public perception seems to be very very happy 89 00:04:19,944 --> 00:04:20,224 Speaker 1: for her. 90 00:04:20,264 --> 00:04:22,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in particular that just the Space Journey 91 00:04:23,024 --> 00:04:24,744 Speaker 2: was the one that hit her the hardest, and just 92 00:04:24,744 --> 00:04:27,504 Speaker 2: because that made international headlines in such a way. But 93 00:04:27,544 --> 00:04:30,144 Speaker 2: I think this like perceived hatred of her, Like it 94 00:04:30,184 --> 00:04:33,104 Speaker 2: always felt like quiet surface level, that it was just 95 00:04:33,104 --> 00:04:35,624 Speaker 2: a few very loud people on the Internet screaming it 96 00:04:35,624 --> 00:04:37,944 Speaker 2: from the rooftops, but once the algorithm takes over, like 97 00:04:38,264 --> 00:04:40,464 Speaker 2: all those edits have heard her concert, like they would 98 00:04:40,464 --> 00:04:43,144 Speaker 2: show Taylor Swift and Gracie Abrams and they would cut 99 00:04:43,184 --> 00:04:44,904 Speaker 2: to Katie Perry, and they would always use a bit 100 00:04:44,904 --> 00:04:47,464 Speaker 2: where she kind of fell or stumbled to make it 101 00:04:47,544 --> 00:04:50,224 Speaker 2: look like her show was terrible, or to make it 102 00:04:50,264 --> 00:04:51,944 Speaker 2: look like they weren't people at her concerts. But that 103 00:04:51,984 --> 00:04:54,544 Speaker 2: concert did really well on ticket sales. It's more so 104 00:04:54,584 --> 00:04:58,384 Speaker 2: I think that just her album was not critically well received, 105 00:04:58,664 --> 00:05:00,664 Speaker 2: and even a lot of her die house fans like, 106 00:05:00,704 --> 00:05:03,144 Speaker 2: we love you, but we can't really get behind this song. 107 00:05:03,544 --> 00:05:05,344 Speaker 2: But I think also it kind of goes to show 108 00:05:05,384 --> 00:05:07,984 Speaker 2: that like once a woman goes through a breakup and 109 00:05:08,024 --> 00:05:10,624 Speaker 2: there's been it's perceived that she has been treated by badly, 110 00:05:10,984 --> 00:05:13,464 Speaker 2: Like people thought the whole Orlando Bloom him going to 111 00:05:13,504 --> 00:05:16,224 Speaker 2: that famous wedding without her. People thought he had come 112 00:05:16,264 --> 00:05:18,864 Speaker 2: to Australia to break up with her. All of a sudden, 113 00:05:18,864 --> 00:05:20,584 Speaker 2: we saw a woman who we thought was jilted, and 114 00:05:20,624 --> 00:05:23,624 Speaker 2: everyone's like not on our watch, Like it's interesting how 115 00:05:23,704 --> 00:05:26,104 Speaker 2: that kind of whipped around in her favor. And then 116 00:05:26,144 --> 00:05:28,584 Speaker 2: the Justin Trudeau, Like for some reason, people are so 117 00:05:28,784 --> 00:05:30,744 Speaker 2: on board with this, like it's an old school rom 118 00:05:30,824 --> 00:05:32,304 Speaker 2: com movie that they're watching. 119 00:05:32,344 --> 00:05:34,584 Speaker 1: It's interesting to me because people always thought he was 120 00:05:34,624 --> 00:05:36,904 Speaker 1: the hot prime minister from Canada, that he'd always had 121 00:05:36,904 --> 00:05:40,144 Speaker 1: that image. But it's like he's now like sexier and edgier, 122 00:05:40,504 --> 00:05:43,584 Speaker 1: and it's like leaving this crazy Horse cabaret club, which 123 00:05:43,704 --> 00:05:46,784 Speaker 1: is a very sexy club. It's kind of like upping 124 00:05:46,824 --> 00:05:49,984 Speaker 1: that sexy factor rather than it just being like, oh, 125 00:05:50,024 --> 00:05:54,064 Speaker 1: you're a cute politician, it's now he's like really sexy. 126 00:05:54,544 --> 00:05:57,344 Speaker 2: I mean interesting if like he gets any blowback from 127 00:05:57,384 --> 00:05:59,744 Speaker 2: this Justin Trudeau, because we know his ex wife put 128 00:05:59,824 --> 00:06:01,824 Speaker 2: up that statement. Well it wasn't about them, but it 129 00:06:01,824 --> 00:06:03,584 Speaker 2: was a sort of a statement about breaking up when 130 00:06:03,584 --> 00:06:05,824 Speaker 2: the photos of him and Katy Perry came out. And 131 00:06:05,864 --> 00:06:08,424 Speaker 2: they've got kids together, even though they've been separated for 132 00:06:08,464 --> 00:06:10,264 Speaker 2: a while now, but they were like a golden politic 133 00:06:10,544 --> 00:06:13,264 Speaker 2: couple for so long, and Katie's younger than her as well. 134 00:06:13,304 --> 00:06:15,144 Speaker 2: I'd be interested in like if kind of like the 135 00:06:15,264 --> 00:06:17,504 Speaker 2: dominoes kind of fall like in favor of her but 136 00:06:17,664 --> 00:06:19,984 Speaker 2: not in favor of him, or whether people are so 137 00:06:20,104 --> 00:06:22,504 Speaker 2: invested in this love story that they'll just they don't 138 00:06:22,504 --> 00:06:24,104 Speaker 2: want to hear about like the side drama. 139 00:06:24,224 --> 00:06:28,584 Speaker 1: You imagine your dad going and coming out of like 140 00:06:28,784 --> 00:06:34,024 Speaker 1: a cabaret club. You're like, Dad, come on, but look 141 00:06:34,064 --> 00:06:37,304 Speaker 1: like they look really happy. I looks like a good time. 142 00:06:37,304 --> 00:06:38,744 Speaker 1: I want to go to the Crazy Horse. I never 143 00:06:38,784 --> 00:06:41,304 Speaker 1: went when I was there, but it looks like a 144 00:06:41,304 --> 00:06:43,704 Speaker 1: good time. But yeah, Katie Perry and Justin Todau. 145 00:06:46,144 --> 00:06:49,104 Speaker 2: So a little bit of an unexpected story started circulating 146 00:06:49,144 --> 00:06:52,064 Speaker 2: over the weekend, and that is that Sophie Turner is 147 00:06:52,184 --> 00:06:53,224 Speaker 2: dating Chris Martin. 148 00:06:53,744 --> 00:06:56,704 Speaker 1: Yes, I've seen this, and this one kind of popped 149 00:06:56,784 --> 00:06:59,064 Speaker 1: up on my feed and I was, you know, a 150 00:06:59,104 --> 00:07:00,544 Speaker 1: bit reluctant to look at it. I thought it was 151 00:07:00,624 --> 00:07:02,304 Speaker 1: just a bit of a click baity one. I wasn't 152 00:07:02,304 --> 00:07:03,984 Speaker 1: sure if there was much validity to it. 153 00:07:04,104 --> 00:07:06,984 Speaker 2: Oh no, there's zero to no evidence backing this up. 154 00:07:07,024 --> 00:07:09,024 Speaker 2: And if we were a reputable news source, we would 155 00:07:09,104 --> 00:07:10,744 Speaker 2: be commenting on it. But we're not, so we're going 156 00:07:10,784 --> 00:07:12,824 Speaker 2: to dive into it. No, no, no, it just started as 157 00:07:12,864 --> 00:07:16,304 Speaker 2: like I think one page six rumor. Yeah, that sort 158 00:07:16,344 --> 00:07:19,264 Speaker 2: of then started escalating because a number of outlets picked 159 00:07:19,264 --> 00:07:22,224 Speaker 2: it up and all of them were contacting Sophie Turner 160 00:07:22,264 --> 00:07:25,224 Speaker 2: and Chris Martin's teams, who all said no comment. So 161 00:07:25,264 --> 00:07:26,904 Speaker 2: they were very much aware of the rumor. So it's 162 00:07:26,904 --> 00:07:29,184 Speaker 2: something they could have shut down if they wanted to. 163 00:07:29,304 --> 00:07:31,784 Speaker 2: It's just interesting how these things kind of build. It 164 00:07:31,824 --> 00:07:34,064 Speaker 2: had to be like a perfect storm of all these 165 00:07:34,104 --> 00:07:36,344 Speaker 2: facts coming in. So we know that Dakota Johnson and 166 00:07:36,424 --> 00:07:39,384 Speaker 2: Chris Martin, even though they haven't formally announced it, it's 167 00:07:39,824 --> 00:07:42,384 Speaker 2: very sort of well known that they have broken up 168 00:07:42,424 --> 00:07:44,224 Speaker 2: after nearly a decade together. 169 00:07:44,344 --> 00:07:48,344 Speaker 1: I've really loved them together, especially after Gwendeth. I really 170 00:07:48,384 --> 00:07:49,944 Speaker 1: loved Chris Martin. Then to go to Johns. 171 00:07:50,024 --> 00:07:54,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also Gwyneth loved Dakota Johnsonweneth Paltrow gave more 172 00:07:54,944 --> 00:07:58,504 Speaker 2: interviews talking about Dakota Johnson and Chris Martin together than 173 00:07:58,624 --> 00:08:01,824 Speaker 2: Chris Martin and Dakota Johnson gave together during their very 174 00:08:01,824 --> 00:08:03,784 Speaker 2: long relationship. So she would just be like, yeah, I 175 00:08:03,824 --> 00:08:05,944 Speaker 2: love them together. I love her. It's so fun. I 176 00:08:05,944 --> 00:08:08,184 Speaker 2: love him like. She was just all on the record, 177 00:08:08,384 --> 00:08:10,384 Speaker 2: And I thought it was especially interesting this weekend that 178 00:08:10,624 --> 00:08:12,784 Speaker 2: all of these photos have come out of Dakota Johnson 179 00:08:12,824 --> 00:08:15,904 Speaker 2: at her younger sister, Stella's wedding. So that's her half 180 00:08:15,944 --> 00:08:19,184 Speaker 2: sister with Melanie Griffiths and Antonio Banderaz and you just 181 00:08:19,184 --> 00:08:21,464 Speaker 2: see all these and Dakota was her bridesmaid in this 182 00:08:21,504 --> 00:08:23,824 Speaker 2: Spanish wedding. You just see all these photos of Dakota 183 00:08:23,904 --> 00:08:27,624 Speaker 2: Johnson looking like tragically beautiful, not that she's tragic, but 184 00:08:27,664 --> 00:08:30,184 Speaker 2: that was the vibe. And this like black lace bridesmaid's 185 00:08:30,264 --> 00:08:32,984 Speaker 2: dress holding a red bouquet with her head down smiling 186 00:08:33,144 --> 00:08:35,984 Speaker 2: kind of very mysterious. So she's doing okay. 187 00:08:35,744 --> 00:08:39,664 Speaker 1: Didn't you have some boyfriend, some aristocrat called Peregrine or 188 00:08:39,704 --> 00:08:40,504 Speaker 1: Perry or something. 189 00:08:40,664 --> 00:08:43,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Sophie Turner has been dating Peregrine for quite 190 00:08:44,024 --> 00:08:45,584 Speaker 2: a while now. I think it was the hard launch 191 00:08:45,584 --> 00:08:48,144 Speaker 2: on her Instagram. Happened in twenty twenty four, but he 192 00:08:48,224 --> 00:08:50,224 Speaker 2: was like the fifth photo or something like that, when 193 00:08:50,304 --> 00:08:50,584 Speaker 2: he's like. 194 00:08:50,584 --> 00:08:52,704 Speaker 1: The last photo buried in the viving. Yeah. 195 00:08:52,744 --> 00:08:56,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, But they had been photographed out together so many times. 196 00:08:56,064 --> 00:08:58,384 Speaker 2: It was like a known thing that they were dating 197 00:08:58,424 --> 00:08:58,904 Speaker 2: in together. 198 00:08:58,984 --> 00:09:00,504 Speaker 1: Oh do you call that a hard launcher? Would that 199 00:09:00,544 --> 00:09:02,904 Speaker 1: be like a soft heart launch? Well, because it's like 200 00:09:02,984 --> 00:09:06,024 Speaker 1: if it's deep inside, it's like you want people to 201 00:09:06,064 --> 00:09:08,544 Speaker 1: see it, but it's not enough to see it on 202 00:09:08,664 --> 00:09:09,784 Speaker 1: the first side. 203 00:09:09,864 --> 00:09:11,984 Speaker 2: Well, but it's just the fact that they had been 204 00:09:12,064 --> 00:09:13,904 Speaker 2: rumored to be together for so long. They were such 205 00:09:13,944 --> 00:09:15,944 Speaker 2: a build up around who she would date after that 206 00:09:16,304 --> 00:09:19,064 Speaker 2: Joe Jona's divorce, and like how that just blew up 207 00:09:19,104 --> 00:09:21,504 Speaker 2: with the accusation she had done something dangerous and him 208 00:09:21,504 --> 00:09:23,424 Speaker 2: trying to paint her in a bad light and then 209 00:09:23,464 --> 00:09:25,544 Speaker 2: her going to dinner with Taylor Swift and turning the 210 00:09:25,544 --> 00:09:28,584 Speaker 2: whole story around. So when she started hooking up with 211 00:09:28,624 --> 00:09:30,504 Speaker 2: this guy, all eyes were on them. I think it 212 00:09:30,544 --> 00:09:32,624 Speaker 2: was like a group photo right at the end of 213 00:09:32,624 --> 00:09:36,144 Speaker 2: her big Instagram carousel, but even her putting him on 214 00:09:36,224 --> 00:09:39,264 Speaker 2: the grid after there'd been rumors, everyone's like, oh, she's 215 00:09:39,304 --> 00:09:42,344 Speaker 2: super serious about this guy. So, yes, his name is 216 00:09:42,464 --> 00:09:45,624 Speaker 2: Peregren Pearson, but he's called Perry for short, and he 217 00:09:45,704 --> 00:09:48,544 Speaker 2: comes from an incredibly rich family, Like they only begin 218 00:09:48,624 --> 00:09:52,224 Speaker 2: entertainment company, but they're also a part of the aristocracy. 219 00:09:52,304 --> 00:09:53,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a viscount. 220 00:09:53,344 --> 00:09:56,104 Speaker 2: He's a viscount in waiting. Oh okay, so he's not 221 00:09:56,144 --> 00:09:58,024 Speaker 2: even a real vike. Why are we talking about it? 222 00:09:58,024 --> 00:10:00,144 Speaker 1: So he's going to inherit that title. 223 00:10:00,264 --> 00:10:03,264 Speaker 2: I think he's a few behind in the family. So 224 00:10:03,304 --> 00:10:05,984 Speaker 2: he's not even like direct in line, No, not quite 225 00:10:05,984 --> 00:10:07,704 Speaker 2: direct in line, but you know he might get there 226 00:10:07,744 --> 00:10:09,744 Speaker 2: one day. He's got some stuff going on for him. 227 00:10:09,824 --> 00:10:12,024 Speaker 1: A viscount waiting. Yeah, okay, yes. 228 00:10:11,784 --> 00:10:13,704 Speaker 2: A viscount in waiting. I want if he puts someone 229 00:10:13,744 --> 00:10:18,464 Speaker 2: his passport forms or he's like there's been rumors that 230 00:10:18,504 --> 00:10:20,584 Speaker 2: Sophie and Perry had been on and off for a while. 231 00:10:20,624 --> 00:10:22,584 Speaker 2: There were so many photos that would come out of them, 232 00:10:22,704 --> 00:10:26,224 Speaker 2: like walking the streets together, kissing and hanging out. There 233 00:10:26,264 --> 00:10:28,984 Speaker 2: was photos of her taking him, like to friends' weddings 234 00:10:29,024 --> 00:10:31,424 Speaker 2: and events. The story started building that they would be 235 00:10:31,424 --> 00:10:34,264 Speaker 2: engaged soon, and then the rumors that started coming out 236 00:10:34,304 --> 00:10:36,624 Speaker 2: were that they were on a break. They went photographed 237 00:10:36,624 --> 00:10:38,824 Speaker 2: together for a long time. Apparently they went to this 238 00:10:38,984 --> 00:10:41,464 Speaker 2: huge society wedding and again this is getting really in 239 00:10:41,504 --> 00:10:44,024 Speaker 2: the weeds of all these like rumors and things. But 240 00:10:44,304 --> 00:10:47,304 Speaker 2: it's crazy how UK society just leak all of their 241 00:10:47,344 --> 00:10:50,024 Speaker 2: own goss, Like we know this from everyone who's like 242 00:10:50,064 --> 00:10:52,104 Speaker 2: adjacent to the royal family. They just leak all their 243 00:10:52,144 --> 00:10:55,104 Speaker 2: own goths to all their people in different media outlets, 244 00:10:55,144 --> 00:10:57,344 Speaker 2: and that's how it comes out. They went to this 245 00:10:57,464 --> 00:11:00,784 Speaker 2: huge society wedding together Sophie and Perry and kept like 246 00:11:01,264 --> 00:11:03,664 Speaker 2: having huge flights on the dance floor where people could 247 00:11:03,664 --> 00:11:05,384 Speaker 2: see them, and then going away and coming back and 248 00:11:05,464 --> 00:11:07,464 Speaker 2: like kissing and making up on the dance floor and 249 00:11:07,504 --> 00:11:10,664 Speaker 2: then fighting again. And apparently that was the last straw 250 00:11:10,664 --> 00:11:13,184 Speaker 2: for their relationship and they haven't been seen together since. 251 00:11:13,224 --> 00:11:16,064 Speaker 1: There's nothing like fighting at a wedding, right, Yea, there's 252 00:11:16,144 --> 00:11:18,424 Speaker 1: something about that a wedding that really brings out the 253 00:11:18,464 --> 00:11:19,784 Speaker 1: worst in relationships. 254 00:11:19,944 --> 00:11:22,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, He's a very heightened emotional day and it's a 255 00:11:22,744 --> 00:11:24,744 Speaker 2: huge day of drinking and it's usually two am on 256 00:11:24,784 --> 00:11:27,184 Speaker 2: the dance floor where things get crazy. But I also 257 00:11:27,224 --> 00:11:29,584 Speaker 2: think if you relationship isn't in trouble, you make up 258 00:11:29,584 --> 00:11:31,944 Speaker 2: the next day when you're so broad. Yep, obviously there 259 00:11:31,984 --> 00:11:33,264 Speaker 2: was more happening behind the scenes. 260 00:11:33,344 --> 00:11:35,544 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at a photo of him. He looks 261 00:11:35,584 --> 00:11:36,984 Speaker 1: really tall, because she's tall. 262 00:11:37,064 --> 00:11:39,264 Speaker 2: He is very tall. A tall man can get away 263 00:11:39,304 --> 00:11:42,224 Speaker 2: with anything. This mans a viscount in waiting, and he's got. 264 00:11:42,144 --> 00:11:44,224 Speaker 1: Quite cute and he looks really tall. 265 00:11:44,584 --> 00:11:47,264 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's tall. He's tall and cute, and I'm 266 00:11:47,304 --> 00:11:48,704 Speaker 2: sure that's all he has going for him. 267 00:11:48,784 --> 00:11:50,184 Speaker 1: I know, but I just didn't really. I knew that 268 00:11:50,184 --> 00:11:52,344 Speaker 1: they were dating, but he just wasn't. It's not like 269 00:11:52,344 --> 00:11:54,424 Speaker 1: he was out in public with her much in terms 270 00:11:54,464 --> 00:11:56,024 Speaker 1: of on red carpets or you. 271 00:11:55,984 --> 00:11:56,704 Speaker 2: Know, at public. 272 00:11:58,744 --> 00:12:01,624 Speaker 1: But yeah, so apparently her and Chris Martin. But wasn't 273 00:12:01,664 --> 00:12:02,704 Speaker 1: she like obsessed with him? 274 00:12:03,264 --> 00:12:03,424 Speaker 3: Yes. 275 00:12:03,504 --> 00:12:05,944 Speaker 2: So that's the kind of interesting part of the story here. 276 00:12:05,984 --> 00:12:07,824 Speaker 2: And one thing I love about Sophie Turner is like 277 00:12:07,864 --> 00:12:11,024 Speaker 2: she's such an open fangirl. Like if you see her 278 00:12:11,024 --> 00:12:13,824 Speaker 2: on the red carpet and she sees someone that she loves, 279 00:12:14,144 --> 00:12:15,984 Speaker 2: she doesn't play it cool like I remember when she 280 00:12:16,064 --> 00:12:19,144 Speaker 2: there's these videos of her meeting Jonathan Vannest from Queeraye 281 00:12:19,504 --> 00:12:22,384 Speaker 2: at an event and she is just losing her mind. 282 00:12:22,424 --> 00:12:24,704 Speaker 2: She is kneeling on the ground. She was married to 283 00:12:24,784 --> 00:12:27,184 Speaker 2: Joe Jonas at the time. She's screaming for him to 284 00:12:27,224 --> 00:12:30,064 Speaker 2: come over, and she's like falling into his arms. And 285 00:12:30,064 --> 00:12:31,664 Speaker 2: I've seen her do that a few times. If she 286 00:12:31,704 --> 00:12:33,824 Speaker 2: loves someone, she loves them. So she loves Chris Mutton. 287 00:12:34,304 --> 00:12:37,104 Speaker 2: So there was like a Joe Jonas TV show that 288 00:12:37,144 --> 00:12:40,424 Speaker 2: would filming, and they filmed him and Sophie at dinner 289 00:12:40,784 --> 00:12:43,744 Speaker 2: for her birthday. And in the video, Joe Jonah says 290 00:12:43,744 --> 00:12:46,104 Speaker 2: to Sophie, I have a surprise for you. Someone wants 291 00:12:46,104 --> 00:12:49,664 Speaker 2: to say happy birthday. And he holds up this video 292 00:12:49,704 --> 00:12:53,384 Speaker 2: message from Chris Muttin saying Happy Birthday to Sophie and 293 00:12:53,464 --> 00:12:55,664 Speaker 2: she loses it. She tears up. She says she doesn't 294 00:12:55,664 --> 00:12:57,904 Speaker 2: want to cry. She loves him so much like he 295 00:12:58,024 --> 00:13:01,144 Speaker 2: is her ultimate not only her ultimate like musician, but 296 00:13:01,224 --> 00:13:05,184 Speaker 2: her ultimate kind of celebrity that she worships celebrity crush. 297 00:13:05,384 --> 00:13:08,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, so is she actually dating the celebrity crow. 298 00:13:08,264 --> 00:13:11,544 Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. It's unsustaintial at the moment, so 299 00:13:12,224 --> 00:13:14,264 Speaker 2: a lot of it has just been like very rumor based, 300 00:13:14,344 --> 00:13:17,064 Speaker 2: Like a spoke to Page six, a source spoke to 301 00:13:17,144 --> 00:13:19,864 Speaker 2: Daily Mail. This video thing with Chris Martin happened so 302 00:13:20,104 --> 00:13:21,984 Speaker 2: long ago, so it's not like someone I don't think 303 00:13:22,024 --> 00:13:25,464 Speaker 2: has seen that information and said like, oh, they're both single, 304 00:13:25,504 --> 00:13:28,584 Speaker 2: they must be dating. There's also no photos of this 305 00:13:28,704 --> 00:13:32,624 Speaker 2: alleged date. Secret dates, yes, see secret date that they had, 306 00:13:32,904 --> 00:13:34,344 Speaker 2: which I guess is fair that one thing we know 307 00:13:34,424 --> 00:13:37,024 Speaker 2: about celebrities is that they can go on dates without 308 00:13:37,024 --> 00:13:39,064 Speaker 2: being seen. So when they are seen, it's because they 309 00:13:39,064 --> 00:13:41,144 Speaker 2: want to be seen or they just don't care. There 310 00:13:41,184 --> 00:13:43,304 Speaker 2: are two dates. When I was like piecing all the 311 00:13:43,464 --> 00:13:46,184 Speaker 2: kind of bits and pieces from all these gossip sites together, 312 00:13:46,504 --> 00:13:48,744 Speaker 2: there's two dates where they were both in London and 313 00:13:48,784 --> 00:13:51,504 Speaker 2: both in la where they're not photographed, but they're know 314 00:13:51,504 --> 00:13:53,504 Speaker 2: one to be in the same city. So people think 315 00:13:53,544 --> 00:13:56,264 Speaker 2: that either there's potentially two dates that happened back to 316 00:13:56,304 --> 00:13:59,344 Speaker 2: back within like in the same month, or one of 317 00:13:59,344 --> 00:14:01,704 Speaker 2: the dates happened on that night and they're still talking. 318 00:14:01,784 --> 00:14:04,664 Speaker 1: Is this story like almost the level of tracking the 319 00:14:04,704 --> 00:14:06,264 Speaker 1: private jet that you've just. 320 00:14:06,184 --> 00:14:08,544 Speaker 2: Said, Yeah, that's the thing. If these guys are using 321 00:14:08,584 --> 00:14:10,904 Speaker 2: private jets more, we'd be all over them. Well, I'm 322 00:14:10,944 --> 00:14:12,824 Speaker 2: sure they are, but I think because they don't own them, 323 00:14:12,944 --> 00:14:15,904 Speaker 2: it's harder to track their usage. Not like Taylor Swift's 324 00:14:15,904 --> 00:14:19,104 Speaker 2: private jet or Kylie Jenner's private jet is public information, 325 00:14:19,224 --> 00:14:21,544 Speaker 2: so we always know where those girls are at all times. 326 00:14:21,904 --> 00:14:25,424 Speaker 2: But that is the story, and at this point in time, 327 00:14:25,584 --> 00:14:28,544 Speaker 2: neither Chris or Sophie are commenting on it, which is 328 00:14:28,584 --> 00:14:30,664 Speaker 2: fair enough because if it's not true, when they shut 329 00:14:30,664 --> 00:14:33,464 Speaker 2: it down, it potentially becomes a bigger story because they've 330 00:14:33,464 --> 00:14:36,784 Speaker 2: denied it. But because they haven't shut it down, even 331 00:14:36,784 --> 00:14:39,544 Speaker 2: though both their camps have been notified, it is one 332 00:14:39,544 --> 00:14:42,064 Speaker 2: of those things that is now like quite spiraling out 333 00:14:42,104 --> 00:14:42,624 Speaker 2: of control. 334 00:14:42,784 --> 00:14:44,984 Speaker 1: Well, I think people just get a bit excited, especially 335 00:14:45,024 --> 00:14:47,464 Speaker 1: when you start to find old videos of people getting 336 00:14:47,504 --> 00:14:50,984 Speaker 1: excited about yeah like nothing like you know, someone actually 337 00:14:51,024 --> 00:14:52,864 Speaker 1: getting with their celebrity crush. 338 00:14:52,904 --> 00:14:54,944 Speaker 2: And part of me is like, oh, that's probably not true. 339 00:14:54,944 --> 00:14:56,664 Speaker 2: But that's what I said when I heard that this 340 00:14:56,704 --> 00:14:59,224 Speaker 2: football player Travis Kelcey was like trying to get a 341 00:14:59,304 --> 00:15:01,544 Speaker 2: date with Taylor Swift and going into her consent, trying 342 00:15:01,544 --> 00:15:03,504 Speaker 2: to give her a bracelet. I was like, dude, that 343 00:15:03,584 --> 00:15:05,984 Speaker 2: woman is never going to look at you. You're being crazy, 344 00:15:06,224 --> 00:15:08,464 Speaker 2: And obviously I was wrong about that. So I don't 345 00:15:08,464 --> 00:15:11,344 Speaker 2: know if my opinion's worth much here, But I guess 346 00:15:11,224 --> 00:15:14,064 Speaker 2: it's a different situation because neither of them have said 347 00:15:14,064 --> 00:15:16,704 Speaker 2: anything publicly. They're just known to be single, and this 348 00:15:16,864 --> 00:15:19,544 Speaker 2: story has come together that they're dating. But I guess 349 00:15:19,584 --> 00:15:21,304 Speaker 2: it just has to be that perfect storm. It has 350 00:15:21,344 --> 00:15:23,584 Speaker 2: to be that perfect storm of like people are very 351 00:15:23,584 --> 00:15:26,544 Speaker 2: interested in their relationship breakups, people are tracking where they are. 352 00:15:27,104 --> 00:15:29,504 Speaker 2: These stories have come out, there is a history you 353 00:15:29,544 --> 00:15:32,424 Speaker 2: can build on like a rumor, doesn't it fun? Yeah, 354 00:15:32,624 --> 00:15:34,904 Speaker 2: the kind of like flame for a rumor can be lit, 355 00:15:34,904 --> 00:15:36,464 Speaker 2: but for it to build, it needs to have all 356 00:15:36,504 --> 00:15:39,224 Speaker 2: of these perfect pieces there. And that's what we have here. 357 00:15:39,264 --> 00:15:41,464 Speaker 2: We have like the perfect flame for a rumor. 358 00:15:41,464 --> 00:15:44,784 Speaker 1: If they do officially get together, Joe's going to be 359 00:15:44,784 --> 00:15:46,424 Speaker 1: pretty upset that he's sent to that video. 360 00:15:47,024 --> 00:15:49,464 Speaker 2: I wonder if it's worse for him that his like 361 00:15:49,544 --> 00:15:52,384 Speaker 2: ex wife would be hooking up with like someone who's 362 00:15:52,424 --> 00:15:55,024 Speaker 2: known to be such an incredible musician. Where it's not 363 00:15:55,064 --> 00:16:00,384 Speaker 2: that the Jonas brothers no beef with the Jonas brothers, 364 00:16:00,424 --> 00:16:02,224 Speaker 2: I don't really know that much about them. I mostly 365 00:16:02,304 --> 00:16:05,104 Speaker 2: know about them because of who they marry, But I 366 00:16:05,144 --> 00:16:07,944 Speaker 2: do know that they're not these huge are critically acclaimed, 367 00:16:07,984 --> 00:16:10,704 Speaker 2: award winning musicians. That's a fact. 368 00:16:10,864 --> 00:16:13,024 Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm just looking over at Mold because mon our 369 00:16:13,104 --> 00:16:18,304 Speaker 1: producer is I've been fan, and she's seething. Look, you're 370 00:16:18,304 --> 00:16:18,984 Speaker 1: about Coldplay. 371 00:16:19,024 --> 00:16:21,184 Speaker 2: But I think we can all agree Coldplay trump's the 372 00:16:21,264 --> 00:16:25,944 Speaker 2: Jonas Brothers in the cultural context, with Laura saying I'm 373 00:16:25,984 --> 00:16:28,784 Speaker 2: just scared to say it in front of and I'm sure, 374 00:16:28,904 --> 00:16:30,504 Speaker 2: I'm sure the girls don't want to hear it, But 375 00:16:30,544 --> 00:16:31,784 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, you know, I don't know if 376 00:16:31,864 --> 00:16:34,264 Speaker 2: Joe's an insecure man. Everything we know about him points 377 00:16:34,264 --> 00:16:36,584 Speaker 2: to yes, So I would just think that he would 378 00:16:36,624 --> 00:16:41,424 Speaker 2: just be like, oh, not only has completely I stop 379 00:16:41,504 --> 00:16:43,824 Speaker 2: so safe saying this, not only has my ex wife 380 00:16:43,824 --> 00:16:46,264 Speaker 2: moved on, but she's moved on with a better musician 381 00:16:46,304 --> 00:16:48,584 Speaker 2: than me. Yes, that's all I'll say on the matter. So, 382 00:16:49,024 --> 00:16:50,824 Speaker 2: even if they're not dating, I feel like Sophie Turner, 383 00:16:50,824 --> 00:16:52,824 Speaker 2: even if she's broken up with the viscount and waiting, 384 00:16:52,944 --> 00:16:53,944 Speaker 2: still having a good time. 385 00:16:54,024 --> 00:16:56,064 Speaker 1: So that's fine, there's another man with a chip oney 386 00:16:56,064 --> 00:16:57,384 Speaker 1: shoulder who could talk about next. 387 00:17:00,104 --> 00:17:01,664 Speaker 2: So I feel like it's pretty safe to say that 388 00:17:01,984 --> 00:17:03,864 Speaker 2: pretty much every woman and a lot of men that 389 00:17:03,904 --> 00:17:06,344 Speaker 2: I know across the world have been listening to one 390 00:17:06,384 --> 00:17:08,864 Speaker 2: album over the last few days, and it's Lily Allen's 391 00:17:08,864 --> 00:17:10,184 Speaker 2: new album, Westen Girl. 392 00:17:10,424 --> 00:17:12,584 Speaker 1: It has gone absolutely be honest, now, I know you 393 00:17:12,664 --> 00:17:15,424 Speaker 1: and EM spoke about this last week and sort of 394 00:17:15,464 --> 00:17:17,384 Speaker 1: about how it was rumored that it was going to 395 00:17:17,464 --> 00:17:24,104 Speaker 1: be about her relationship with David Harbor, and it definitely is. 396 00:17:25,024 --> 00:17:28,064 Speaker 2: Yes, and yeah, there's a lot that comes out around 397 00:17:28,104 --> 00:17:30,904 Speaker 2: her marriage and her divorce and her breakup and allegations, 398 00:17:31,064 --> 00:17:33,184 Speaker 2: and I feel like that has been the main headline 399 00:17:33,184 --> 00:17:35,024 Speaker 2: around it, which is so enough because that's a very 400 00:17:35,224 --> 00:17:37,624 Speaker 2: kind of salacious story and it's something that people had 401 00:17:37,624 --> 00:17:40,264 Speaker 2: suspected happened and now we have it sort of laid 402 00:17:40,264 --> 00:17:42,304 Speaker 2: out for us in such a way. But I also 403 00:17:42,344 --> 00:17:45,064 Speaker 2: feel like just everything about west End Girl, from like 404 00:17:45,344 --> 00:17:47,304 Speaker 2: how she crafted it to how she released it to 405 00:17:47,344 --> 00:17:51,704 Speaker 2: how it's been received, is also so interesting because as 406 00:17:51,784 --> 00:17:54,104 Speaker 2: much as this is like a heartbreak album and a 407 00:17:54,144 --> 00:17:56,744 Speaker 2: divorce album and the kind of idea is that she 408 00:17:56,824 --> 00:17:59,064 Speaker 2: made it really quickly and just poured her soul out 409 00:17:59,104 --> 00:18:03,104 Speaker 2: into the page. The craftsmanship and the lyricism of this 410 00:18:03,184 --> 00:18:06,264 Speaker 2: album and those fourteen songs, even taking away like the 411 00:18:06,304 --> 00:18:10,304 Speaker 2: salacious kind of rumors, it's just so incredibly well reach 412 00:18:10,584 --> 00:18:12,944 Speaker 2: and so soulful, and I just think it just goes 413 00:18:12,984 --> 00:18:14,904 Speaker 2: to show that like there's no one else like Lily 414 00:18:14,944 --> 00:18:15,624 Speaker 2: Allen out there. 415 00:18:15,704 --> 00:18:17,944 Speaker 1: It really reminds me of the Lily Allen that I 416 00:18:17,984 --> 00:18:22,384 Speaker 1: absolutely fell in love with as a teenager. It is funny, quirky, 417 00:18:22,584 --> 00:18:26,504 Speaker 1: deep soulful Lily Allen that I loved so much, and 418 00:18:26,544 --> 00:18:29,864 Speaker 1: I feel as though she definitely lost that a little bit. 419 00:18:29,864 --> 00:18:33,024 Speaker 1: You know, She's been seven years since her last studio album, 420 00:18:33,544 --> 00:18:36,464 Speaker 1: and she actually said in the Sunday Times article that 421 00:18:36,544 --> 00:18:39,064 Speaker 1: she did recently. I thought I didn't have any good 422 00:18:39,104 --> 00:18:41,064 Speaker 1: songs left. My writing had been really bad, and it 423 00:18:41,104 --> 00:18:42,824 Speaker 1: took something to happen in my life for everything to 424 00:18:42,824 --> 00:18:45,824 Speaker 1: blow up for me to go, oh, here she is. 425 00:18:46,024 --> 00:18:47,824 Speaker 1: And I really felt that in this And I don't 426 00:18:47,824 --> 00:18:49,544 Speaker 1: want this to be like a full review of this album, 427 00:18:49,584 --> 00:18:53,224 Speaker 1: but I have been listening to it non stop, and 428 00:18:53,584 --> 00:18:55,984 Speaker 1: the way that it flows if you listen to it 429 00:18:56,064 --> 00:18:58,024 Speaker 1: start to finish, which I believe is the way she 430 00:18:58,064 --> 00:19:00,824 Speaker 1: intended it to be listened to. It really is this 431 00:19:00,984 --> 00:19:05,184 Speaker 1: like rollercoaster of emotion from It's quite happy the West 432 00:19:05,264 --> 00:19:07,864 Speaker 1: End Girl, that first track, and then we started to 433 00:19:07,904 --> 00:19:11,144 Speaker 1: break it down, then she's angry at David Harbor, and 434 00:19:11,184 --> 00:19:16,264 Speaker 1: then it's really sad and hot breaking. That's the end. 435 00:19:16,544 --> 00:19:18,224 Speaker 2: And as much as what you're saying about listening to 436 00:19:18,224 --> 00:19:20,264 Speaker 2: the album that way, I think that's interesting too, because 437 00:19:20,304 --> 00:19:22,544 Speaker 2: obviously there's songs that will come out of it that'll 438 00:19:22,544 --> 00:19:24,984 Speaker 2: be singles and be the songs that stand out. But 439 00:19:24,984 --> 00:19:27,584 Speaker 2: it really feels like one of those albums that wasn't 440 00:19:27,864 --> 00:19:30,464 Speaker 2: made for TikTok or wasn't made to have this sort 441 00:19:30,504 --> 00:19:33,024 Speaker 2: of big breakout song. It's like you've got to listen 442 00:19:33,064 --> 00:19:35,224 Speaker 2: to it all in one go. Listening to that song 443 00:19:35,344 --> 00:19:37,504 Speaker 2: just by listening to the singles would be like opening 444 00:19:37,544 --> 00:19:39,544 Speaker 2: a book and reading like the middle page, Like it 445 00:19:39,664 --> 00:19:42,064 Speaker 2: just wouldn't make any sense. And also so interesting in 446 00:19:42,104 --> 00:19:44,544 Speaker 2: this age of like pop stars having to do these 447 00:19:44,624 --> 00:19:48,504 Speaker 2: huge build ups two album releases that Lily Allen like, yes, 448 00:19:48,544 --> 00:19:50,144 Speaker 2: she did a little bit of press and she had 449 00:19:50,184 --> 00:19:52,584 Speaker 2: one or two like magazine newspaper interviews, ready to go. 450 00:19:53,344 --> 00:19:55,504 Speaker 2: But I know Taylors of just her whole kind of 451 00:19:55,584 --> 00:19:57,944 Speaker 2: own being in universe. But when you look at the 452 00:19:57,944 --> 00:20:00,384 Speaker 2: way that she launches an album, which is like telling 453 00:20:00,384 --> 00:20:02,744 Speaker 2: people ahead of time in the case of the life 454 00:20:02,744 --> 00:20:04,864 Speaker 2: of a show girl, and having like a countdown on 455 00:20:04,904 --> 00:20:07,504 Speaker 2: her website and having all these easter eggs and then 456 00:20:07,744 --> 00:20:11,944 Speaker 2: releasing like multiple vinyls, releasing multiple kind of things people 457 00:20:12,024 --> 00:20:15,104 Speaker 2: can buy, and having this whole layered build up to 458 00:20:15,184 --> 00:20:18,104 Speaker 2: it where the release of the album becomes its own 459 00:20:18,504 --> 00:20:21,744 Speaker 2: separate entity outside of the actual music itself. And all 460 00:20:21,744 --> 00:20:23,064 Speaker 2: that's the bad things. I know, Like a lot of 461 00:20:23,064 --> 00:20:25,304 Speaker 2: people are Taylors for fans because they love being involved 462 00:20:25,304 --> 00:20:28,504 Speaker 2: in that. But I think there's something really interesting about 463 00:20:28,504 --> 00:20:30,744 Speaker 2: someone like Lily Allen who could have done something like 464 00:20:30,784 --> 00:20:33,944 Speaker 2: that because she has the cachet over twenty years build up, 465 00:20:34,344 --> 00:20:36,584 Speaker 2: she has the interest in her life, and she has 466 00:20:37,024 --> 00:20:39,464 Speaker 2: all these connections to Hollywood, Like the man who cheated 467 00:20:39,504 --> 00:20:42,504 Speaker 2: on her is a very famous man whose TV show 468 00:20:42,624 --> 00:20:45,104 Speaker 2: that made him so famous is about to come out. 469 00:20:45,184 --> 00:20:46,664 Speaker 1: I know, isn't that a coincident? 470 00:20:46,864 --> 00:20:49,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And there's so much which I do I 471 00:20:49,024 --> 00:20:50,944 Speaker 2: do love that move from her. She's like, before he 472 00:20:50,984 --> 00:20:52,984 Speaker 2: does the whole press tour for Stranger Things, She's like, 473 00:20:52,984 --> 00:20:53,904 Speaker 2: I'm getting in first. 474 00:20:54,064 --> 00:20:58,384 Speaker 1: It was so calculated and absolutely brilliant marketing. So we 475 00:20:58,464 --> 00:21:00,424 Speaker 1: know that they split up at the end of last year, 476 00:21:00,464 --> 00:21:02,904 Speaker 1: and she wrote this album super quickly, wrote it in 477 00:21:02,984 --> 00:21:06,064 Speaker 1: ten days, so I'm assuming that she's kind of producing 478 00:21:06,064 --> 00:21:08,544 Speaker 1: at post producing it, but she's gone, this guy's going 479 00:21:08,584 --> 00:21:10,664 Speaker 1: to launch his final season of Stranger Things in a. 480 00:21:10,704 --> 00:21:12,544 Speaker 2: Month, and I'm going to get my start of the 481 00:21:12,544 --> 00:21:14,624 Speaker 2: story out there first, and I'm going to get him 482 00:21:14,784 --> 00:21:16,384 Speaker 2: and just saying to fans like, hey, I've got an 483 00:21:16,384 --> 00:21:18,224 Speaker 2: album coming out in a few days, and that being 484 00:21:18,344 --> 00:21:21,544 Speaker 2: enough to like get everyone so intensely excited. And for 485 00:21:21,664 --> 00:21:24,864 Speaker 2: this to be like have this huge, successful launch without 486 00:21:24,944 --> 00:21:28,104 Speaker 2: doing any kind of like East Rokes Countdowns huge promo, 487 00:21:28,184 --> 00:21:29,344 Speaker 2: I think is really interesting. 488 00:21:29,784 --> 00:21:32,264 Speaker 1: Now, Obviously Lily Allen is very famous in the UK, 489 00:21:32,384 --> 00:21:35,024 Speaker 1: and here in America she's not super well known. She 490 00:21:35,064 --> 00:21:37,344 Speaker 1: admits that she talks about how when she was living 491 00:21:37,344 --> 00:21:40,024 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn in New York, no one knew who she was. 492 00:21:40,544 --> 00:21:43,584 Speaker 1: So I quite like the idea of this album bringing 493 00:21:43,624 --> 00:21:45,344 Speaker 1: her to an American yeah. 494 00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:47,184 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. This could be your first time listening 495 00:21:47,224 --> 00:21:49,104 Speaker 2: to Lily Allen and as much as like her other 496 00:21:49,144 --> 00:21:51,504 Speaker 2: albums are incredible, like you could just fall in love 497 00:21:51,544 --> 00:21:53,784 Speaker 2: with her from this album absolutely, which I think is 498 00:21:53,824 --> 00:21:54,504 Speaker 2: super interesting. 499 00:21:54,584 --> 00:21:56,864 Speaker 1: So I want to start with West End Girl, which 500 00:21:56,944 --> 00:21:59,864 Speaker 1: is the first song in the album, and the whole 501 00:21:59,864 --> 00:22:02,184 Speaker 1: song is she picks up her kids. They moved to Brooklyn. 502 00:22:02,224 --> 00:22:04,904 Speaker 1: They moved to New York, the kid's aunt, David's kids, 503 00:22:05,344 --> 00:22:08,264 Speaker 1: and she's there. She's really happy. They have this home 504 00:22:08,344 --> 00:22:12,344 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, which was in Architectural famously. 505 00:22:12,424 --> 00:22:14,464 Speaker 2: Where she referenced in the song because she says that 506 00:22:14,544 --> 00:22:17,824 Speaker 2: song found ourselves a good mortgage, Billy Cotton sorted, So 507 00:22:17,864 --> 00:22:21,784 Speaker 2: Billy Cotton is the designer who made that crazy talked 508 00:22:21,824 --> 00:22:24,944 Speaker 2: about home that went a bit viral of Architectural Diagasse. 509 00:22:25,224 --> 00:22:27,184 Speaker 2: So she's kind of really as much as she says, 510 00:22:27,224 --> 00:22:30,064 Speaker 2: like a lot of this album isn't fact to some 511 00:22:30,144 --> 00:22:32,304 Speaker 2: of it is fiction. But then she's dropping all these 512 00:22:32,344 --> 00:22:35,984 Speaker 2: little clues through there where she's talking about very small 513 00:22:36,064 --> 00:22:38,984 Speaker 2: yet significant parts of her life where she's trying to 514 00:22:38,984 --> 00:22:41,784 Speaker 2: bread come like this is the part that's completely true, 515 00:22:41,784 --> 00:22:43,184 Speaker 2: This isn't part of the fiction writing. 516 00:22:43,344 --> 00:22:45,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, so she gets a role in this west End play. 517 00:22:45,824 --> 00:22:48,344 Speaker 1: In one of the comments the person in this song 518 00:22:48,464 --> 00:22:51,464 Speaker 1: makes to her is oh, you didn't have to audition, 519 00:22:52,264 --> 00:22:55,384 Speaker 1: and it screams this kind of insecurity on his partner. 520 00:22:55,384 --> 00:22:57,384 Speaker 1: I know when she was doing press for this, she 521 00:22:57,504 --> 00:23:00,824 Speaker 1: was lauded with awards for this particular performance. So this 522 00:23:00,864 --> 00:23:02,784 Speaker 1: particular west End plague is called two twenty two a 523 00:23:02,824 --> 00:23:04,904 Speaker 1: ghost Stories. It's back in twenty twenty one that she 524 00:23:04,984 --> 00:23:07,144 Speaker 1: had this. It's only a year after they got married. 525 00:23:07,424 --> 00:23:10,024 Speaker 1: So she gets this role. It's unexpected. She's really excited 526 00:23:10,024 --> 00:23:14,184 Speaker 1: about it. But David's response is like very lukewarm in 527 00:23:14,224 --> 00:23:15,944 Speaker 1: the press for it, He's kind of going, I've been 528 00:23:15,944 --> 00:23:18,024 Speaker 1: in one hundred thousand players and I've never been, you know, 529 00:23:18,104 --> 00:23:21,704 Speaker 1: awarded of anything. So he's trying to make these jokes. Now, 530 00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:24,944 Speaker 1: there is a letter that he wrote to her on 531 00:23:25,024 --> 00:23:28,104 Speaker 1: her opening night, and she posted this on her Instagram 532 00:23:28,144 --> 00:23:29,744 Speaker 1: stories and someone stuck it back up. I'm going to 533 00:23:29,784 --> 00:23:32,464 Speaker 1: read this to you. It's really quite telling of this 534 00:23:32,984 --> 00:23:35,624 Speaker 1: my ambitious wife. These are bad luck flowers, because if 535 00:23:35,664 --> 00:23:38,064 Speaker 1: you get reviewed well in this play, you'll get all 536 00:23:38,144 --> 00:23:41,144 Speaker 1: kinds of awards and I will be miserable your loving husband. 537 00:23:41,704 --> 00:23:44,824 Speaker 2: It's almost like that whole like Kristen Baldek, Shepherd. 538 00:23:44,824 --> 00:23:45,904 Speaker 1: Doesn't mind the same. 539 00:23:46,984 --> 00:23:49,504 Speaker 2: It's cute if you look at it one way, because 540 00:23:49,664 --> 00:23:52,304 Speaker 2: he's like alluding to these, you're like part of me 541 00:23:52,424 --> 00:23:54,464 Speaker 2: is like, Oh, it's a couple that's so secure in 542 00:23:54,504 --> 00:23:57,544 Speaker 2: their relationship that out of these they have their own 543 00:23:57,624 --> 00:24:01,144 Speaker 2: language and jokes that don't upset them because they're so 544 00:24:01,184 --> 00:24:03,424 Speaker 2: secure in it. But obviously looking back on it, knowing 545 00:24:03,424 --> 00:24:06,744 Speaker 2: what happens next, it does make a lot of sense 546 00:24:06,864 --> 00:24:09,904 Speaker 2: that it's like he's trying to sort of make a joke, 547 00:24:09,984 --> 00:24:12,944 Speaker 2: but it's showing his insecurities. Because the thing our David 548 00:24:12,984 --> 00:24:15,224 Speaker 2: Harbor is like, yes, he's known for stranger things, and yes, 549 00:24:15,264 --> 00:24:18,104 Speaker 2: now he's in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and he's seen 550 00:24:18,104 --> 00:24:21,264 Speaker 2: as this like action hero, but for the whole start 551 00:24:21,304 --> 00:24:24,104 Speaker 2: of his career he was very much like, I'm a 552 00:24:24,144 --> 00:24:26,304 Speaker 2: theater guy. He would go and do like these small 553 00:24:26,344 --> 00:24:29,664 Speaker 2: like theater festival circuits and small towns and things. And 554 00:24:29,904 --> 00:24:31,624 Speaker 2: he always talks about that in a way of like 555 00:24:31,664 --> 00:24:34,104 Speaker 2: I'm a real actor. I'm not a Hollywood actor. So 556 00:24:34,144 --> 00:24:36,144 Speaker 2: I think her coming in doing a West End play, 557 00:24:36,144 --> 00:24:38,544 Speaker 2: which is seen as something that only real actors do, 558 00:24:39,304 --> 00:24:41,944 Speaker 2: did really upset him, Like he just wanted her to 559 00:24:41,984 --> 00:24:43,904 Speaker 2: be like, I'm the real actor and you're a pop 560 00:24:43,904 --> 00:24:47,064 Speaker 2: star turned kind of wife now and I love. Also, 561 00:24:47,344 --> 00:24:49,424 Speaker 2: the full circleness of this is that she was on 562 00:24:49,464 --> 00:24:51,624 Speaker 2: the West End and another player again this year and 563 00:24:51,664 --> 00:24:53,904 Speaker 2: got really good reviews. So it wasn't like a flash 564 00:24:53,944 --> 00:24:55,184 Speaker 2: in the pan. She did it again. 565 00:24:55,304 --> 00:24:58,024 Speaker 1: She's clearly a very talented performer. And I mean, I 566 00:24:58,064 --> 00:25:00,344 Speaker 1: think when they met she was a few years sober. 567 00:25:00,664 --> 00:25:02,384 Speaker 1: I think she was only a year sober when they 568 00:25:02,944 --> 00:25:05,144 Speaker 1: got together, or even less than that, like she was 569 00:25:05,184 --> 00:25:08,504 Speaker 1: quite early in her sobriety. You know, we had lockdown, 570 00:25:08,824 --> 00:25:12,104 Speaker 1: stranger things was just giant, gigantic. He was having his 571 00:25:12,224 --> 00:25:16,344 Speaker 1: moment they made on RAYA, and then things just sort 572 00:25:16,344 --> 00:25:19,904 Speaker 1: of change for them and he asks for an open relationship, 573 00:25:20,224 --> 00:25:22,704 Speaker 1: which is where things seem to kind of really start 574 00:25:22,744 --> 00:25:25,064 Speaker 1: to unravel, and we sort of start to see that 575 00:25:25,264 --> 00:25:26,064 Speaker 1: in the album. 576 00:25:26,184 --> 00:25:28,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was this kind of understood thing that 577 00:25:28,384 --> 00:25:30,904 Speaker 2: she's spoken about where they had an open relationship but 578 00:25:30,984 --> 00:25:34,024 Speaker 2: with rules around what he was allowed to do, what 579 00:25:34,144 --> 00:25:36,344 Speaker 2: she was allowed to do. And the idea that he 580 00:25:36,424 --> 00:25:39,704 Speaker 2: broke those rules and had more of an emotional affair 581 00:25:40,104 --> 00:25:42,184 Speaker 2: is kind of what led to this album. And this 582 00:25:42,224 --> 00:25:44,744 Speaker 2: is something she gets onto in the next song on 583 00:25:44,744 --> 00:25:47,504 Speaker 2: the album, Ruminating, where she talks about there's like a 584 00:25:47,544 --> 00:25:49,344 Speaker 2: line when she says, I'm not hateful, but you make 585 00:25:49,424 --> 00:25:51,984 Speaker 2: me hate her. She gets to sleep next to my 586 00:25:52,104 --> 00:25:54,304 Speaker 2: medicator and I can't shake the image of her naked 587 00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:57,384 Speaker 2: on top of you, undissociated, and she keeps saying, like, 588 00:25:57,624 --> 00:26:00,024 Speaker 2: if this casual sex had to happen, why do I 589 00:26:00,064 --> 00:26:02,304 Speaker 2: have to know? Which is this idea of her kind 590 00:26:02,344 --> 00:26:04,704 Speaker 2: of realizing what had happened with this affair. 591 00:26:05,144 --> 00:26:07,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it looks like it's not just a single 592 00:26:07,384 --> 00:26:09,624 Speaker 1: woman as well, Like I mean, he was talking about 593 00:26:09,824 --> 00:26:13,424 Speaker 1: being in a relationship. But in the song pussy Palace, 594 00:26:14,304 --> 00:26:20,144 Speaker 1: that is a cutting, cutting character analysis of David Harber 595 00:26:20,424 --> 00:26:22,744 Speaker 1: that one and four chance Stan they got they played 596 00:26:22,784 --> 00:26:24,944 Speaker 1: back to back. This is her I'm really mad at 597 00:26:24,944 --> 00:26:27,464 Speaker 1: this guy, and this guy's a pig and I'm going 598 00:26:27,504 --> 00:26:30,344 Speaker 1: to uncover him. In the chorus of pussy Palace, she goes, 599 00:26:30,384 --> 00:26:32,544 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was a pussy purlas I always 600 00:26:32,544 --> 00:26:34,344 Speaker 1: thought it was a dojo, and so I'm looking at 601 00:26:34,384 --> 00:26:36,344 Speaker 1: a sex addict, And so she talks about him being 602 00:26:36,344 --> 00:26:39,584 Speaker 1: a sex addict. Then she talks about her finding butt plugs, 603 00:26:39,824 --> 00:26:43,504 Speaker 1: Trojans Loube all of his stuff in this secret apartment 604 00:26:43,504 --> 00:26:46,504 Speaker 1: in the West Village that he apparently had that was 605 00:26:46,544 --> 00:26:50,384 Speaker 1: basically just a place where he took women, And that's 606 00:26:50,424 --> 00:26:53,784 Speaker 1: the accusation he's making. And now four chance Stan she's 607 00:26:53,784 --> 00:26:55,544 Speaker 1: basically call him a really sad man. I didn't know 608 00:26:55,584 --> 00:26:58,784 Speaker 1: what a four chance stan man was. Did you know 609 00:26:58,824 --> 00:27:01,904 Speaker 1: what it meant. I'd never heard that phrase before I have, 610 00:27:02,584 --> 00:27:04,624 Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was. But apparently a four 611 00:27:04,704 --> 00:27:07,664 Speaker 1: chance Stan it's like someone who's really deep into four 612 00:27:07,744 --> 00:27:10,904 Speaker 1: chan and thinks they're really like ahead of the curb, 613 00:27:11,384 --> 00:27:12,984 Speaker 1: but they're kind of a bit of an in cell. 614 00:27:13,784 --> 00:27:15,944 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which would make a lot of context in 615 00:27:15,984 --> 00:27:17,784 Speaker 2: one and what she's singing about and what she's saying, 616 00:27:17,824 --> 00:27:20,864 Speaker 2: And also the interesting thing about all these different stories 617 00:27:20,944 --> 00:27:23,984 Speaker 2: about her talking about the different layers of her discovering 618 00:27:24,064 --> 00:27:27,384 Speaker 2: him cheating, discovering it was an emotional affair, and discovering 619 00:27:27,424 --> 00:27:29,784 Speaker 2: it with so many women, discovering he had a whole setup. 620 00:27:29,984 --> 00:27:31,864 Speaker 2: I've seen a few people sort of be like, oh, 621 00:27:31,904 --> 00:27:34,064 Speaker 2: but like, if they're an open relationship, then she has 622 00:27:34,104 --> 00:27:36,024 Speaker 2: no right to be upset, or she has no right 623 00:27:36,144 --> 00:27:39,024 Speaker 2: to do this whole album about his infidelity if it 624 00:27:39,064 --> 00:27:39,864 Speaker 2: was a set up thing. 625 00:27:40,344 --> 00:27:41,064 Speaker 1: But I think it's. 626 00:27:40,944 --> 00:27:43,064 Speaker 2: Still a huge betrayal if like, as a couple, you 627 00:27:43,144 --> 00:27:45,984 Speaker 2: have like there's parameters that you have to follow, and 628 00:27:45,984 --> 00:27:48,024 Speaker 2: then just to find out that he's not only broken 629 00:27:48,064 --> 00:27:50,424 Speaker 2: all of those rules, but he's gone off in all 630 00:27:50,464 --> 00:27:54,664 Speaker 2: these different directions of like having an active profile on Raya, 631 00:27:54,904 --> 00:27:58,144 Speaker 2: which is again a very public thing, of like he's 632 00:27:58,184 --> 00:28:00,424 Speaker 2: married to Lily Allen, but he's still looking for these 633 00:28:00,544 --> 00:28:03,664 Speaker 2: very exclusive hookups of him sort of the allegation of 634 00:28:03,744 --> 00:28:06,264 Speaker 2: him befending all these women on Instagram and like chasing 635 00:28:06,344 --> 00:28:09,424 Speaker 2: them down and having this sort of residence. And then 636 00:28:09,624 --> 00:28:11,904 Speaker 2: the song Mad, which is the one everyone is talking 637 00:28:11,904 --> 00:28:14,304 Speaker 2: about finding out that it was more than just sex 638 00:28:14,424 --> 00:28:17,184 Speaker 2: allegedly with this woman, that sort of seems for like 639 00:28:17,224 --> 00:28:19,064 Speaker 2: the most heartbreaking thing of the whole album. 640 00:28:19,144 --> 00:28:22,184 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I definitely had that thought when I first 641 00:28:22,184 --> 00:28:24,544 Speaker 1: saw it. I was like, if there'd ation really open relationship, 642 00:28:24,544 --> 00:28:27,064 Speaker 1: that it's not cheating. She was very interesting how she 643 00:28:27,064 --> 00:28:28,504 Speaker 1: said it because she's like, oh, this is a gray 644 00:28:28,624 --> 00:28:31,984 Speaker 1: area in this when you talk about our open relationship. 645 00:28:32,064 --> 00:28:34,304 Speaker 1: You put rules and parameters in place, like you said, 646 00:28:34,664 --> 00:28:38,184 Speaker 1: but there is a gray area when someone breaks those rules. Now, 647 00:28:38,224 --> 00:28:41,704 Speaker 1: if she was coerced into making this decision to be 648 00:28:41,784 --> 00:28:43,944 Speaker 1: in an open relationship, which is kind of what you 649 00:28:44,064 --> 00:28:46,464 Speaker 1: get the sense from from the album. Now, we don't 650 00:28:46,504 --> 00:28:49,264 Speaker 1: know what this situation was, but that's kind of what 651 00:28:49,304 --> 00:28:51,304 Speaker 1: we get from it. I don't know if you agree. 652 00:28:51,384 --> 00:28:55,264 Speaker 1: And I've got the sense that she was really encouraged 653 00:28:55,344 --> 00:28:57,544 Speaker 1: to do this. She didn't really want to, but you 654 00:28:57,624 --> 00:28:58,104 Speaker 1: kind of had to. 655 00:28:58,464 --> 00:29:00,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the feeling I got, especially as the song's 656 00:29:00,704 --> 00:29:03,064 Speaker 2: progress in the album, that she didn't come into it 657 00:29:03,064 --> 00:29:04,984 Speaker 2: thinking like I really want to be in an open 658 00:29:04,984 --> 00:29:06,944 Speaker 2: marriage and that's how I want to live. She gave 659 00:29:07,024 --> 00:29:09,944 Speaker 2: him the green flag to do that because it was 660 00:29:09,984 --> 00:29:11,944 Speaker 2: a way to keep this like former kind of fairy 661 00:29:11,984 --> 00:29:14,704 Speaker 2: tale marriage, not just a fairy tale marriage for them, 662 00:29:14,744 --> 00:29:16,984 Speaker 2: but also this very public kind of fairy tale marriage 663 00:29:17,024 --> 00:29:19,544 Speaker 2: of everyone being obsessed with them as a couple and 664 00:29:19,584 --> 00:29:22,744 Speaker 2: them doing so much publicity and pressed together, and then 665 00:29:22,824 --> 00:29:24,864 Speaker 2: it kind of became like that was the make or 666 00:29:24,864 --> 00:29:27,704 Speaker 2: break of them staying together. So she said yes, not 667 00:29:27,784 --> 00:29:30,024 Speaker 2: realizing how badly it was going to escalate. 668 00:29:30,184 --> 00:29:32,504 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So let's talk a little bit more about Madeline, 669 00:29:32,504 --> 00:29:35,504 Speaker 1: because that's the one that's like really given people a 670 00:29:35,544 --> 00:29:36,424 Speaker 1: lot to talk about. 671 00:29:36,704 --> 00:29:39,744 Speaker 2: Yes. So, I mean, this whole song is very incredible, 672 00:29:39,784 --> 00:29:42,464 Speaker 2: but there's a line that is particularly being pulled out 673 00:29:42,504 --> 00:29:43,784 Speaker 2: by people where she says. 674 00:29:44,264 --> 00:29:49,664 Speaker 3: We had an arrange one a street and the rebated 675 00:29:55,824 --> 00:30:06,144 Speaker 3: it had to be a stranger. But you're not a stranger, Maud. 676 00:30:07,864 --> 00:30:10,864 Speaker 1: You can have sex with sex workers and it needs 677 00:30:10,904 --> 00:30:14,184 Speaker 1: to be no emotions attached to it. Yes. So the 678 00:30:14,264 --> 00:30:17,704 Speaker 1: woman who is apparently Madeleine is a costume designer called 679 00:30:17,984 --> 00:30:21,304 Speaker 1: Natalie Tippett. Now she met David in twenty twenty one 680 00:30:21,304 --> 00:30:23,464 Speaker 1: and that while working on the set of his film 681 00:30:23,904 --> 00:30:27,544 Speaker 1: We Have a Ghost. So she's actually come out and 682 00:30:27,584 --> 00:30:29,584 Speaker 1: spoken and made a statement about this. 683 00:30:29,944 --> 00:30:33,144 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's given almost like a long form interview to 684 00:30:33,464 --> 00:30:36,304 Speaker 2: the Daily Mail The Mail on Sunday. And what's so 685 00:30:36,384 --> 00:30:39,624 Speaker 2: interesting about this is that I'm so shocked that she 686 00:30:39,824 --> 00:30:44,344 Speaker 2: has come forward so quickly. It's this idea of like 687 00:30:44,424 --> 00:30:47,184 Speaker 2: who is Madeline. As soon as the album came out, 688 00:30:47,504 --> 00:30:49,984 Speaker 2: people started hunting for Madeline. They were going back through 689 00:30:50,024 --> 00:30:53,984 Speaker 2: like old photos and stories and like old gossip sites 690 00:30:54,024 --> 00:30:56,184 Speaker 2: and things, trying to piece it together. But as far 691 00:30:56,184 --> 00:30:58,384 Speaker 2: as I could tell, there wasn't a straight line to her. 692 00:30:58,744 --> 00:31:02,304 Speaker 2: But the male somehow found her and she agreed to 693 00:31:02,344 --> 00:31:04,544 Speaker 2: this interview. And what's kind of interesting is like Lily 694 00:31:04,544 --> 00:31:07,024 Speaker 2: Allen kept saying like, oh no, Madeleine's not like a 695 00:31:07,064 --> 00:31:10,664 Speaker 2: specific not that she's not a specific person at a mala, yes, 696 00:31:10,704 --> 00:31:12,824 Speaker 2: and she's like, I'm using a different name, and she's 697 00:31:12,904 --> 00:31:14,664 Speaker 2: like and a lot of this is also fiction, Like 698 00:31:14,864 --> 00:31:18,824 Speaker 2: she wasn't trying to set people off to find this woman, 699 00:31:18,824 --> 00:31:21,424 Speaker 2: but that is what happened. It's almost like when Beyonce 700 00:31:21,584 --> 00:31:23,224 Speaker 2: was like seeing about Becky with the good hair, and 701 00:31:23,304 --> 00:31:27,504 Speaker 2: people just really like went trying to find that. But 702 00:31:27,584 --> 00:31:29,944 Speaker 2: in this case, she did give an interview. So she's 703 00:31:29,984 --> 00:31:32,104 Speaker 2: a thirty four year old single mother. She lives in 704 00:31:32,144 --> 00:31:34,984 Speaker 2: New Orleans. Even when they were speaking to her, they're 705 00:31:34,984 --> 00:31:36,984 Speaker 2: just like the journalist who's writing up this interview is 706 00:31:37,024 --> 00:31:40,584 Speaker 2: describing what it's like inside her home while she's talking 707 00:31:40,584 --> 00:31:43,464 Speaker 2: about being the woman that cheated with David Harbor and 708 00:31:43,544 --> 00:31:46,624 Speaker 2: Lily Allen and saying like, oh, she's you know, she's 709 00:31:46,624 --> 00:31:49,144 Speaker 2: sitting in this beautiful home and her kid is like 710 00:31:49,224 --> 00:31:51,024 Speaker 2: running in and out, and it's just like almost like 711 00:31:51,024 --> 00:31:53,824 Speaker 2: a feature piece. While being a sort of like confessional, 712 00:31:54,624 --> 00:31:57,584 Speaker 2: Natalie then said to the journalist that she is very 713 00:31:57,624 --> 00:32:00,664 Speaker 2: reluctant to sort of hit back, or very reluctant to 714 00:32:00,664 --> 00:32:03,944 Speaker 2: have her story turned into like this big kind of public, 715 00:32:04,024 --> 00:32:07,184 Speaker 2: international story, but she feels like she's had no choice 716 00:32:07,184 --> 00:32:10,664 Speaker 2: but to speak about it. So the journalist asked she's 717 00:32:10,704 --> 00:32:13,384 Speaker 2: heard the album, specifically if she's heard the song Madeline, 718 00:32:13,624 --> 00:32:15,664 Speaker 2: and she said, of course, I've heard the song, and 719 00:32:15,704 --> 00:32:18,144 Speaker 2: apparently she rolled her eyes. That's what the journalist has said, 720 00:32:18,544 --> 00:32:19,744 Speaker 2: and then she wanted to say it, but I have 721 00:32:19,744 --> 00:32:21,904 Speaker 2: a family in things to protect. I have a two 722 00:32:21,904 --> 00:32:24,264 Speaker 2: and a half year old daughter, and I understand that 723 00:32:24,344 --> 00:32:26,624 Speaker 2: this is going on. It's all a little bit scary 724 00:32:26,664 --> 00:32:26,904 Speaker 2: to me. 725 00:32:27,504 --> 00:32:30,024 Speaker 1: But the way that it's described in the song is 726 00:32:30,064 --> 00:32:33,504 Speaker 1: that Madeleine didn't know that they weren't allowed to be 727 00:32:33,704 --> 00:32:37,264 Speaker 1: like apparently David had told her. Yeah, so the way 728 00:32:37,264 --> 00:32:39,024 Speaker 1: that it's voiced in the song, it's a bit of 729 00:32:39,024 --> 00:32:39,864 Speaker 1: a caricature. 730 00:32:40,064 --> 00:32:43,304 Speaker 2: Well exactly, they basically have all these text messages, which 731 00:32:43,344 --> 00:32:46,064 Speaker 2: we now are all real read out in a sense, 732 00:32:46,144 --> 00:32:48,584 Speaker 2: like in the song saying like, oh I didn't I 733 00:32:48,584 --> 00:32:50,544 Speaker 2: didn't know this is going to happen, and I'm so 734 00:32:50,584 --> 00:32:52,384 Speaker 2: sorry and I don't want to hurt you. And there's 735 00:32:52,384 --> 00:32:53,784 Speaker 2: a part where she's like, let me know if you 736 00:32:53,784 --> 00:32:55,744 Speaker 2: want any more information, let me know if you want 737 00:32:55,784 --> 00:32:58,144 Speaker 2: more about this, like I'm trying to sort of help, 738 00:32:58,544 --> 00:33:01,384 Speaker 2: and then apparently she told the journalists that she knew 739 00:33:01,424 --> 00:33:03,704 Speaker 2: prior to the album being released that all her text 740 00:33:03,744 --> 00:33:07,584 Speaker 2: messages were included in the song, and then she said, yes, 741 00:33:07,664 --> 00:33:09,704 Speaker 2: I knew, but I just don't feel comfortable talking about 742 00:33:09,744 --> 00:33:12,184 Speaker 2: it at this moment, which I understand. Like, I just 743 00:33:12,184 --> 00:33:14,184 Speaker 2: hope Natalie's got some people around her, because I just 744 00:33:14,184 --> 00:33:16,824 Speaker 2: feel like this is doing this interview, but they're not 745 00:33:16,904 --> 00:33:18,464 Speaker 2: talking about it. 746 00:33:18,664 --> 00:33:20,784 Speaker 1: You've invited them into your home, but now you don't 747 00:33:20,784 --> 00:33:22,624 Speaker 1: want to talk about it, like you're cutting it off 748 00:33:22,624 --> 00:33:23,664 Speaker 1: before it's even started. 749 00:33:23,744 --> 00:33:25,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just hope she's got some people around her 750 00:33:25,344 --> 00:33:27,624 Speaker 2: because it just seems like she's a single mother who 751 00:33:28,104 --> 00:33:29,904 Speaker 2: met this man while she was working on a TV 752 00:33:29,904 --> 00:33:32,144 Speaker 2: show and he was the star, and he told her 753 00:33:32,464 --> 00:33:34,224 Speaker 2: this is the story that she's told. But he told 754 00:33:34,224 --> 00:33:37,104 Speaker 2: her that he had an open marriage from his very 755 00:33:37,104 --> 00:33:39,944 Speaker 2: famous wife and they could absolutely hook up. And so 756 00:33:39,984 --> 00:33:42,144 Speaker 2: they did that, and she believed him, and she's a 757 00:33:42,184 --> 00:33:45,584 Speaker 2: lot younger than him. And then apparently when filming wrapped, 758 00:33:45,624 --> 00:33:48,624 Speaker 2: he flew her to Atlanta when he was based without 759 00:33:48,624 --> 00:33:50,464 Speaker 2: telling Lily Allen's this is this whole story. 760 00:33:50,744 --> 00:33:51,824 Speaker 1: Let's not attack this woman. 761 00:33:51,984 --> 00:33:53,744 Speaker 2: And then she's coming out and giving it into you 762 00:33:53,784 --> 00:33:56,584 Speaker 2: about it, but also not giving her side of the story. 763 00:33:56,624 --> 00:33:58,104 Speaker 2: I just feel like it's put a big target on 764 00:33:58,144 --> 00:34:01,144 Speaker 2: her head. Yeah, but she has she's got nothing out 765 00:34:01,144 --> 00:34:01,384 Speaker 2: of it. 766 00:34:01,504 --> 00:34:04,944 Speaker 1: She hasn't explained it well enough to warrant her actually 767 00:34:04,944 --> 00:34:07,424 Speaker 1: speaking up. Do you know what I mean. She's brought 768 00:34:07,424 --> 00:34:09,504 Speaker 1: this person into her home, she's brought this journalist to 769 00:34:09,504 --> 00:34:11,024 Speaker 1: tell her side of the story. But then as god, 770 00:34:11,024 --> 00:34:12,824 Speaker 1: actually I don't want to tell myself of the story. 771 00:34:13,064 --> 00:34:13,424 Speaker 2: Yeah. 772 00:34:13,504 --> 00:34:18,144 Speaker 1: I think what's really interesting to me is the massive, 773 00:34:18,344 --> 00:34:22,784 Speaker 1: massive social media outrage since this album has been released. 774 00:34:23,064 --> 00:34:24,944 Speaker 1: David Harbor has had to switch off all of the 775 00:34:25,024 --> 00:34:28,304 Speaker 1: comments on his Instagram. Yeah, everything has been switched off. 776 00:34:28,504 --> 00:34:30,544 Speaker 1: I went back through it. I found one that didn't 777 00:34:30,744 --> 00:34:32,984 Speaker 1: get switched off. I imagine that because it's quite a 778 00:34:33,024 --> 00:34:38,784 Speaker 1: laborious task that they didn't do one. The comments are vitriolic, Yeah, 779 00:34:38,824 --> 00:34:42,544 Speaker 1: like you are horrible, You're disgusting, Like it's pretty vile, 780 00:34:42,704 --> 00:34:45,064 Speaker 1: Like I don't think what he did is very good. 781 00:34:45,104 --> 00:34:47,264 Speaker 1: And I love this album and I love Lily Allen 782 00:34:47,304 --> 00:34:50,104 Speaker 1: and screw him, but it's not nice to see all that. 783 00:34:50,184 --> 00:34:52,664 Speaker 1: It's pretty intense. It's a lot. 784 00:34:53,144 --> 00:34:54,944 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, she's an artist, and 785 00:34:54,984 --> 00:34:56,424 Speaker 2: I feel like she should be able to put this 786 00:34:56,824 --> 00:34:59,584 Speaker 2: out into the world. And I was kind of on 787 00:34:59,624 --> 00:35:01,424 Speaker 2: the fence about like the timing of it, because I 788 00:35:01,424 --> 00:35:02,784 Speaker 2: feel like she put it out when she was in 789 00:35:02,784 --> 00:35:05,424 Speaker 2: a huge emotional state and she was kind of really 790 00:35:05,424 --> 00:35:08,064 Speaker 2: in the midst of feeling this pain, and so for 791 00:35:08,104 --> 00:35:10,104 Speaker 2: any other human being, i'd say, like, that's probably not 792 00:35:10,144 --> 00:35:12,184 Speaker 2: the thing to do. But when you're an artist of 793 00:35:12,224 --> 00:35:14,904 Speaker 2: like especially of that caliber, and you like right from 794 00:35:14,904 --> 00:35:16,944 Speaker 2: the heart like that, it's almost like she needed to 795 00:35:16,984 --> 00:35:19,744 Speaker 2: do that to have this album be out in the world. 796 00:35:20,144 --> 00:35:22,544 Speaker 2: And yes, there's going to be fallout for it, but 797 00:35:22,664 --> 00:35:27,624 Speaker 2: it almost feels justified for what's happened. And yeah, David 798 00:35:27,624 --> 00:35:29,504 Speaker 2: Harbor is going to cop it, but you know he's fine. 799 00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:32,544 Speaker 2: He's a big action star. The industry loves him, like, 800 00:35:33,064 --> 00:35:35,304 Speaker 2: he's going to be fine. I just I'd be more 801 00:35:35,344 --> 00:35:37,984 Speaker 2: interested what comes out from Natalie Tippett now that she's 802 00:35:38,064 --> 00:35:41,344 Speaker 2: outed herself as the Madeline without sort of giving any 803 00:35:41,384 --> 00:35:44,424 Speaker 2: context and has asked to be left alone. But I 804 00:35:44,504 --> 00:35:47,384 Speaker 2: knew nothing about this woman prior to this, and now 805 00:35:47,544 --> 00:35:50,464 Speaker 2: I know where she lives, I know the area she lives, 806 00:35:50,664 --> 00:35:52,904 Speaker 2: I know how old her daughter is. I know a 807 00:35:52,904 --> 00:35:54,824 Speaker 2: little bit about like the cadence of their day when 808 00:35:54,824 --> 00:35:57,144 Speaker 2: she's talking about that, Like, I just feel like Madeline 809 00:35:57,184 --> 00:36:00,424 Speaker 2: should have stayed just a kind of far away figuring 810 00:36:00,464 --> 00:36:03,184 Speaker 2: an idea and I shouldn't know how old her daughter 811 00:36:03,304 --> 00:36:05,104 Speaker 2: is is kind of what I'm getting from that. But yeah, 812 00:36:05,144 --> 00:36:07,144 Speaker 2: overall the album, yes, that's a. 813 00:36:07,104 --> 00:36:09,904 Speaker 1: Whole around that back the albums. The album is amazing. 814 00:36:10,024 --> 00:36:13,024 Speaker 1: I'm are such a big fan. This is mind blowing album. 815 00:36:13,104 --> 00:36:16,344 Speaker 1: It's gotten very very good reviews by like musical reviewers, 816 00:36:16,864 --> 00:36:20,024 Speaker 1: so I would highly recommend listening to it. It's freakin' messy, 817 00:36:20,704 --> 00:36:23,744 Speaker 1: and David Harbor is actually a bit of a prick. 818 00:36:23,944 --> 00:36:26,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes breakups just have to be messy. I feel 819 00:36:26,384 --> 00:36:28,464 Speaker 2: like this whole, like you know, we're best friends, conscious 820 00:36:28,504 --> 00:36:30,224 Speaker 2: on coupleeen, like that's at the doll, Like we're back 821 00:36:30,224 --> 00:36:31,664 Speaker 2: to messy celebrity breakups. 822 00:36:31,864 --> 00:36:33,704 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 823 00:36:33,744 --> 00:36:35,944 Speaker 1: Don't forget to follow the Spill on TikTok and Instagram 824 00:36:36,064 --> 00:36:38,144 Speaker 1: links to find us in the show notes, and we'd 825 00:36:38,184 --> 00:36:41,384 Speaker 1: love you guys to join the conversation. 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