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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to a very special hot pot summer

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Speaker 2: episode of Mamma Mia out Loud. My name is Holly

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Speaker 2: Wayne right, I'm Mia Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens. For

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Speaker 2: the last time in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Wowie, wowie, that went fast.

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Speaker 2: I know. I hope you're all having a lovely whatever

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Speaker 2: we call this time. Yeah, Like we're in the middle

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Speaker 2: of that, like in between Christmas New Year time.

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Speaker 3: You what day of the week it is, But we

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 2: We've got no idea. And maybe you're having a break,

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Speaker 2: maybe you're not. But whatever's going on in your world.

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Speaker 2: We hope it's good.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're having a breakdowns or a breakthrough or a breakup.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like all those things often happen at the end

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Speaker 2: of the year. Like it's a time of great reflection,

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Speaker 2: which is why we're here for our best and Worst episode,

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Speaker 2: where we're going to go through the best and worst

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Speaker 2: things that happened to us this year, and then we're

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Speaker 2: going to also talk about some of our best recommendations

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Speaker 2: for the year. Yeah, it would be bad to do

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Speaker 2: our worst.

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Speaker 3: Because no one wants to know that no, no recommendations.

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Speaker 1: I don't like that. That's called complaining, which we do

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Speaker 1: also quite like.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I digress. First, with her best and worst of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four is one Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm going to go with my worst first, which

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Speaker 3: was probably two health things that got me down this year. Right.

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Speaker 3: The first is this h Pylori thing. And if you

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Speaker 3: my year, I'd say, what does that mean. I've never

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Speaker 3: heard of such a thing, And I think I mentioned

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Speaker 3: it on the show months ago that I went and

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Speaker 3: I was getting these terrible, terrible tummy aches. I tested

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Speaker 3: positive to this infection in my stomach.

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Speaker 2: Right, Like, is it like a bacteria thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bacteria, infection whatever. And for some people no symptoms,

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Speaker 3: And the treatment is hectic. It's like antibiotics, something else,

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Speaker 3: It effected my mental health as well. Mame really anxious anyway,

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Speaker 3: So I did this whole thing. Then you've got to

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Speaker 3: you know the type of pain where you go, there's

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Speaker 3: Well, no, because I've been working with my GP through this.

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Speaker 2: Believe that you all have to like you used to

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Speaker 2: out of children's birthday's, so like your birthday this year

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Speaker 3: But I hate it. I don't hate it. Everyone tells

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Speaker 1: So interested in this because I don't see you with

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Speaker 3: Just knowing that Claire is coming over like no offense

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Speaker 3: like I love that baby like I love my own baby.

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Speaker 3: But the laughter, like even the way that all like

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Speaker 3: of gratitude of just waking. Like Claara and I go

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Speaker 3: we have fake conversations through Matilda and Luna, but it's

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Speaker 2: Like, Wow, lucky are we I just love that. It's

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Speaker 2: more things to joggle and all those things. The fact

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Speaker 3: For Yeah, it's making me a lot more mindful and

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Speaker 3: I just feel like I get gratitude now. I go, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Loud ol.

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Speaker 1: I want to know what your worst of the year was,

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Speaker 1: Okay and best obviously.

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Speaker 2: No, you want the one know the worst, because first

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Speaker 2: But it's not aging in like my face or whatever,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, watching people change, their capacity has changed, and

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Speaker 2: So that's definitely the hardest, and my love goes out

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Speaker 1: It's just hard.

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Speaker 2: So that's been the hardest thing is dealing with that.

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Speaker 1: move into mind. So I think it's just a whole

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Speaker 1: It's just time.

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Speaker 3: Do you think as well, that it's burnout that burnout

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Speaker 3: forces you to recalibrate and kind of go.

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Speaker 1: No, because I've been burnt out for a really, really

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Speaker 1: long time and I've had no choice. You both know,

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Speaker 1: I've been desperately burnt out for years now, and I.

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Speaker 3: Do you think admitting that because I've.

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Speaker 1: Known it for a really long time. But running a business,

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Speaker 1: having kids, it's not like you can go hey everyone, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hey everyone, I've got burnout. It's like, just keep pushing,

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Speaker 1: just keep pushing, just keep pushing. And I've kept pushing

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Speaker 1: and kept pushing, and now it's.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh, okay, I'm very happy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a bit of space has opened up in my world.

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Speaker 1: So that's my best and worst. What a deep and

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Speaker 1: meaningful conversation out loud as. I'm sure you've got your own.

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Speaker 1: It might be something that you want to share, or

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Speaker 1: it might not. But I think sometimes still, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're in one of those spaces and you can't

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Speaker 1: think of what your best is, don't feel that your

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Speaker 1: best has to be arriving at a destination. Your best

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Speaker 1: could be just a really good pair of jeans exactly.

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Speaker 3: I did this on New Year's Eve last year. So

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Speaker 3: if you find yourself in a situation where you're talking

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Speaker 3: to a stranger or you're like at a thing and

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Speaker 3: there's a lull in conversation, just ask people for their

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Speaker 3: best and worst. Can get very deep, very fast. I

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Speaker 3: will want true, but but then.

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Speaker 2: I quite these days my aptitude for small talk has diminished.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If that happened to you as you get older, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like I just now I'm just like, I don't want

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Speaker 2: to do small talk the.

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Speaker 1: Lack of estrogen. Do you know what can be easier

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Speaker 1: than asking someone their best and their worst because they can.

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Speaker 3: Be feel a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Pressure. And also if you don't know someone very well

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Speaker 1: and you say I got a new pair of jeans

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Speaker 1: because you don't really want to disclose. If you say

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Speaker 1: to someone what's made you happiest this year? Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a good question, kind of simpler good because it lends

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Speaker 1: itself to superficial or deep rivals. Exactly exactly out louders

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Speaker 1: as Mia says, whatever your year has been like, and

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Speaker 1: we all know that some are easier than others.

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Speaker 2: We're just sending you all our massive love and we're

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Speaker 2: really wishing you a happy New Year. You know that

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Speaker 2: we are going to be in your ears on New

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Speaker 2: Year Day two Sleeps time.

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Speaker 1: With word of the Year homework think of one.

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Speaker 2: And thank you of course to our marvelous team. We

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Speaker 2: are going to read you out with their best worst

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Speaker 2: of the year.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producer Ruth Divine her best is mango season

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Speaker 3: so true. Who doesn't love some stoned fruit delish? Sometimes?

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Speaker 3: Did you say stoned fruit stoned fruit, stone fruit this

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Speaker 3: time of year. Our senior producer, Emiline Gazillis her best

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Speaker 3: is saying no to trends and she rocks the skinny

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Speaker 3: jeans of makeup, her wing diyeliner, and she'll continue to

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Speaker 3: do it no matter how bit she we are on

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Speaker 3: this podcast.

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Speaker 1: She had a rough year because all her signature style

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Speaker 1: things like wing die liner, skinny jeans canned.

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Speaker 2: No socks by thet canned.

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Speaker 1: The culture chat she said.

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Speaker 3: She said, nap nap Leah Porges our very talented audio producer.

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Speaker 3: Her best is the tropical holiday she went on. That

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Speaker 3: was her first proper holiday in six years. Very well deserved, deserved.

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Speaker 3: And our social media producer is Isabelle Dolphin. Her best

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Speaker 3: is becoming a deep pop queen.

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Speaker 1: Oh deep hop, so she's selling all her old clothes.

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Speaker 3: Her worst is that she isn't a billionaire yet, but

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Speaker 3: she's well on her way.

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Speaker 1: For a minute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's deep pop a place where you sell your

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Speaker 2: old clothes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to get it. It's like Vestier collective,

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Speaker 1: but younger and like cheaper.

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Speaker 2: And can you buy things, Yes, yes you can. Point

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Speaker 2: that's the point.

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Speaker 3: I find it very difficult to navigate. But it's not

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Speaker 3: the point.

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Speaker 2: Isabelle Dolphin, that's having build. She could show me buy

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Speaker 2: out loud as we love you.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to any Mum and me a subscribers listening.

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Speaker 3: If you love the show and you want to support us,

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