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Speaker 2: From Mom and Maya. Welcome to the Spill your daily

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Speaker 2: pop culture Fixed. I'm Em Burnham and I'm Laura Brudnick.

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Speaker 2: And on the show today, there is yet another lawsuit

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Speaker 2: against Sean Combs. Also how Chris Brown ties into all

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Speaker 2: of this as well. We're going to be explaining everything, but.

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Speaker 1: First, but first, okay, obviously to preface this by saying,

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Speaker 1: this is a very silly story, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: in amongst all these very serious pop culture updates we've

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Speaker 1: been doing, we just need a bit of silliness and

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Speaker 1: we didn't think it was silly at the time.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: I'm scared, Okay, So cast your mind back to I'm

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Speaker 1: going to say, just stove for a month ago when

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Speaker 1: some photos circulated of the Bear co stars, so Jeremy

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Speaker 1: Allen White and Molly Gordon, who are both on the show. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Allen White plays carm and has had a whole

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Speaker 1: career resurgence with the Bear and the many cigarettes that

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Speaker 1: that he wears around LA when he's exercising and not filming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's oh.

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Speaker 1: Look it's a look so photo surface of him and

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Speaker 1: Molly Gordon. It was hard to tell because we didn't

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Speaker 1: have video. This is the most perverted thing. I was said.

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Speaker 1: he and Molly Gordon had gone from more than co

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Speaker 1: stars into in fact lovers and were sharing a kiss

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Speaker 1: because people love on CoA stars get together. But it

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Speaker 1: was especially newsworthy, or at least tabloid worthy in our

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Speaker 1: circles because before that he had been only ever pictured

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Speaker 1: kissing singer Rosalia out and about in the streets of.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, but I think therefore is just mempalsed. I

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Speaker 1: think she's better than him, to be honest, like she's got,

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Speaker 1: out on Rosalie's birthday, which I think is also important

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Speaker 1: So now a month on from that, they haven't been

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Speaker 2: Sure they weren't just filming the bear.

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Speaker 1: No, buddy, they're not filming the bear. First of all,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have that brooding bear look in this not

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Speaker 2: But they're hooking up, I'd say, So, okay, that's the update.

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Speaker 2: So there are two more lawsuits that are now kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like continuing to snowball another celebrity link

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Speaker 2: to everything that's been unfolding with Combs is Chris Brown.

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Speaker 2: A documentary has been released called Chris Brown a History

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, so many horrific parts of this story,

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Speaker 1: even with allegations against Kanye West as well allegations around

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Speaker 2: and it's also so common in like that grooming kind

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Speaker 1: La Na Na.

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Speaker 2: So Chris Brown. It's really weird for me to talk

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I actually have a real visceral memory of seeing

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Speaker 2: It's horrible. In twenty sixteen, he was also accused of

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Speaker 2: And this documentary like putting everything together, it just like

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for listening to this spill today,

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Speaker 1: notes if you'd like to listen. This Spill is produced

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Speaker 1: by Kimberly Bradish with sound production by Scott Stronik. And

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Speaker 1: we'll see you back here in our podcast feed at

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Speaker 1: three pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Bye see yaller lolla LLAD