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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the YA Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives.

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Speaker 1: They adore the.

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Speaker 2: Good, bad and ugly. The best and worst days will

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Speaker 2: bear all the facets of seizing your Yea. I'm Sarah

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Speaker 2: Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned funentrepreneurs

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Speaker 2: wapped the suits and heels to co found Matcha Maiden

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Speaker 2: because CZA was our guest's first ever podcast back in

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Speaker 1: first time in my life I can say I made

439
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Speaker 1: these decisions with my heart, not my head, and I

440
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: feel so good about them. Yeah. But I've sold my company,

441
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: so that's because that's the first thing.

442
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, congratulation, thanks, And it's like massive meish like that is.

443
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: Do you remember when I came to LA before you

444
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: launched and we had I think we're at Soho house probably, Oh, yes,

445
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 2: I remember lisat To and I my son room Mandanna

446
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 2: at my top and you explained it to me. Yes,

447
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: And to have been there when you were still in

448
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: that phase of this is this new thing. I'm not

449
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: really sure, Like I think I'm going out. I want

450
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: to go out of my own and this is what

451
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: I'm doing to like I have sold my company.

452
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, it's it's been such a process.

453
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

454
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Speaker 1: I think as a founder you kind of have these

455
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 1: end goals of what you want to achieve, Yeah, and

456
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: selling a company is definitely one of them. I think

457
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: I'd always felt like maybe it was just a given

458
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: that that would that would happen. I've always had a

459
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 1: bit too much confidence, which I was amazingly not misplaced,

460
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: because you've got to do it, but it is accurate.

461
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've kind of yeah, but it's like

462
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: to have actually now just gone through the process. It

463
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: showed me, Wow, this is very hard to get your

464
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 1: company acquired. So I'm kind of glad that it ended

465
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: up just being this complete roller coaster because it's made

466
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: me way more grateful for the actual outcome. Yeah, it's

467
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: so fresh, like it's being announced publicly tomorrow.

468
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, in timing is wild.

469
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's been such a long time coming, Like

470
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: if we were approached by a competitor in our space

471
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: about a year ago asking if we would be interested

472
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: in merging.

473
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: And I did just go there, Yeah, okay, And it

474
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: got Lucy.

475
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: And I thinking about, you know, why did we start

476
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: this business? It was always to make women a non

477
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: binary creators more money. Could we make them even more

478
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: money if we merged with another company or if we

479
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: started to look at acquisitions. So we engaged a banker

480
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Speaker 1: to help us run the process, which is probably an

481
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: entirely different story because we did also go through a

482
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Speaker 1: process of do we need help with this or can

483
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: we pull it off ourselves?

484
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: Like we'd always.

485
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Speaker 1: Raise money running the process ourselves, but we had no

486
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: experience selling a company and how to how to navigate

487
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: the conversation. So we got a banker involved, and we

488
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: started reaching out to competitors, but also social networks, talent agencies,

489
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: porn companies.

490
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: Really to the whole spectrum.

491
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Speaker 1: Yes, which was a really interesting learning because we figured,

492
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Speaker 1: I guess we were being taught that you could package

493
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Speaker 1: your business up in loads of different ways to appeal

494
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Speaker 1: to different kinds of companies. And then we basically sold

495
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Speaker 1: the company to one of our competitors back in feb

496
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: It's now August.

497
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Speaker 3: It's been going on for a while, so I really

498
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: started to think about, oh wow, I'm like out of this,

499
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Speaker 3: Like what am I going to do after this?

500
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Speaker 1: I felt every emotion you could feel, like angst, fear, despair, excitement, hope, freedom.

501
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: So February were basically done with this deal, but the

502
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: company we were selling to end up having some public

503
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: legal struggles where there was just no way we could

504
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: sell to them, like something quite unethical came out, and

505
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: so we had to just pull back from that. And

506
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: that was such major whiplash because i'd you prepared, I'd

507
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: started to allow myself to think about my career, like, oh,

508
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: what do I want to do now that I'm a mum?

509
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: You know, I can kind of put this chapter aside,

510
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: and I'd started to think about would I start another business,

511
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: would I consult? Should I re enter the job market.

512
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: But this was February when I also found out I

513
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: was pregnant. So then came like the fear, like fuck,

514
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: like we no longer have this outcome, but I've already

515
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: started to think about all the other problems I could

516
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: be working on. And I'm in America and I'm pregnant,

517
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: so like, what the fuck is my next move going

518
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 1: to be?

519
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: Like?

520
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: And like, you know, do I stop working for a while?

521
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: Like just a lot of it was a really hard

522
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: period where I started to feel very scared about what

523
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: my future could look like. And I'm grateful I could

524
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: go through it because the first time I navigated pregnancy

525
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: it was from the very privileged place of running my

526
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: own company. But now I was going to be navigating

527
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: pregnancy from the perspective of do I start something from scratch?

528
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: Do I consult which is like less security, what happens

529
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Speaker 1: with my healthcare? Which is very important in the US? Yeah?

530
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: Of course?

531
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Speaker 1: Am I gonna have money? Like I don't know?

532
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: L Can I eat? Yeah?

533
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: Or do I have to interview and hide that I'm pregnant?

534
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: And that's something that comes up so often for people.

535
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: So it was interesting to navigate pregnancy from a different perspective.

536
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: But I guess the kind of blessing in disguise was

537
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: because We've got so close to this sale. We now

538
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: knew what all the terms should look like and how

539
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: to kind of de risk the deal from the perspective

540
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: of anyone who wanted to come and acquire us, and

541
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: so we've ended up with a way better outcome and

542
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: a way better fit, And we ended up being acquired

543
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: by a company called fan Fix, who are like the

544
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: category leader in our space. They've paid out hundreds of

545
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: millions to creators. They're on track to have paid out

546
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: a billion dollars to creators by twenty twenty Seven's amazing, Yeah,

547
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: and they have just very similar brand care for creators,

548
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: the same features we have and then some yeah, and

549
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: so it's felt really good to be able to get

550
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: on the phone with our creators. We kind of run

551
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: a process where we let as many of our highest

552
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: earning creators know about this before it's been publicly announced,

553
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: and just to kind of let them know how they

554
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: will transition over and they'll be looked after. And it's

555
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: been an amazing feeling to be able to get on

556
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: the phone with them and genuinely say we have found

557
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: the best place for this to kind of like continue

558
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: continue on and to be like guardian from yeah yeah Yeah. Lucy,

559
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: my co founder, and I are advising for fan Fix

560
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 1: for a year, so we're still going to stay close

561
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: to our creators and can be there for them and

562
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: have just been working with the fan Fix team for

563
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: kind of the past couple of months to just make

564
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: sure this integration is as smooth as possible. But it

565
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: was a pretty agonizing period to kind of to get here, Yeah,

566
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: to get to this, to get to this moment, and

567
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: to have had time to really reflect and think about

568
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do next. It was like a

569
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: very long mutual breakup right where I could do a

570
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: lot of reflecting, which I knew at the time, even

571
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: though it was the most uncomfortable zone I've ever been

572
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: in with my career, I knew that I would look

573
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: back on the period of this year eventually and be

574
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: very grateful for it, And so I am just I

575
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: feel so relieved that it has because I also had

576
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: these moments where I just felt like, this feels a

577
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: bit too good to be true. When is this going

578
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: to fall apart? Do I deserve this?

579
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: Like?

580
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: Is this actually how it goes for me?

581
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: Is this my story?

582
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

583
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been a privilege to watch in real time,

584
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: having known in our like trauma dump group chat we

585
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: should really name it that, the group chat being just

586
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: two of us like a small gang, to see you

587
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: go through this, especially as someone who's preoccupation and fascination

588
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: is with big changes in people's direction and how uncomfortable

589
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: those necessarily are. To even hear you say now that

590
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: fear was soch an overwhelming feeling, but then this time

591
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: around you trusted the discomfort and were able to sit

592
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: with it, knowing that it would lead to something else.

593
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: You know now that discomfort is the fire that forms

594
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: an amazing growth period and that it would work out.

595
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: But it's fascinating because often we make a jump when

596
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: the next opportunity becomes clear, whereas you'd made this jump

597
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: before you knew what you were going to do. And

598
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: I think that's quite rare, but does often happen to

599
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: women in maternity leave, where they have a little bit

600
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Speaker 2: of slowness for the first time, maybe a bit of

601
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: breaks on the daily grind, and you do suddenly have

602
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: this blank slate to think about your life, and for

603
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 2: some people that's the first time they've ever done it.

604
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: And I think it's been amazing to hear you articulate

605
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: how you then approach what comes next? What was the

606
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: thought process because you have now locked in your new position,

607
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: How did you wade through the do I found something else,

608
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: do I interview? Do I hide my pregnancy? Like that

609
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: is an unusual situation to be and in life where

610
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: you can pick really where you go.

611
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and weird from a different another perspective that it's

612
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: not like I could come out and say I'd done

613
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: this because there was still so much going on in

614
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: the background in terms of negotiation, tech integration. There was

615
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: just quite a lot of waiting that needed to happen

616
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: before we could actually come out and announce this and

617
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: make sure it was going to be as smooth as

618
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: possible for all of our users. To go back to

619
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Speaker 1: how you were describing that, you know, discomfort of figuring

620
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: out what you do, and how a lot of women

621
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Speaker 1: start thinking about it once they've got a moment and

622
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: in maternity leave. I just find that zone so fascinating

623
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Speaker 1: because it's kind of what I've just been going through

624
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: in a weird way. It's really really scary to start thinking,

625
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: to start feeling like you might be free to make

626
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: another choice, like to accept maybe I'm going to leave

627
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: my job, maybe I'm going to sell my company, maybe

628
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to have a career change. If you start

629
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: to actually allow yourself to think about what does my

630
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: career look like now I'm a mom. It can be

631
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: a pretty uncomfortable conversation to have with yourself because that

632
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: change factor comes up again and you're already navigating the

633
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: biggest changing of your life in becoming a mom, and

634
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: now you're thinking you're going to do something different with

635
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: your career as well. I feel like it needs a

636
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: label or something, because I've been trying to articulate it myself,

637
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: and I think I've just realized that it's actually the

638
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 1: most powerful zone to make decisions from. Like I'd never

639
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: really kind of wiped the slate clean like that before

640
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: and thought, oh, you know, what do? What do I

641
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: want to do next? Where could I go?

642
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: You know?

643
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: Is it like consulting? Is it a break? Is it

644
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: starting another business? Is it going into a big workplace?

645
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: Is it going back into a startup? I kind of

646
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: like dabbled a bit in like different things just to

647
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: see how it felt. But I ended up one of

648
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: the companies. One of the options that we were going

649
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: through with our acquisition was a potential acquisition from quite

650
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: a big social network, and they couldn't acquire us in

651
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: the end, but they were interested in an aquahier, and

652
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: so started kind of looking into our team and then

653
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 1: said that they were interested in a few of us,

654
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: and so we started going through an interview process, and

655
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this is good. I can kind

656
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: of explore what it might be like to go into

657
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: a big business, so I can actually see what kind

658
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: of salary I could command. And I almost did it

659
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: as this like.

660
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: Head fucky like valuation on yourself.

661
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: Yes, like I'd always said to myself, even like, regardless

662
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: of the outcome I got with Sun Room, I'd always said,

663
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if I start this business and I fail,

664
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: there actually is no failure because you inflate your view

665
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: your own worth so much like you just learn so

666
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: much about an industry, you become an expert in something.

667
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: You can walk into a business and present yourself as

668
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: such a leader and bring this really unique perspective in.

669
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: And I guess I'd felt in the back of my

670
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: mind that was the truth. But now I was going

671
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: to be able to test that theory in real life.

672
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: So going through an interview process with them and kind

673
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: of getting this offer created a really big safety net

674
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: for me. I'm like, you know what, I've got an

675
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: option now and it's like it's pretty good. Yeah, it's

676
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: like very tempting.

677
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't say numbers, but it was very tempting.

678
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a fuck, Like, okay, that is unexpected.

679
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: I kind of went through the process like there's no

680
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: way I'm going to work here. I just need to

681
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: prove to myself I could be desired by a company

682
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: like this, you know, because I think when you've been

683
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: in small startups for so long, you get these titles,

684
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: but they don't feel real and.

685
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: Because you gave it to yourself. Yes, it's not like

686
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: you're sure I'm the CEO. I called myself. I can

687
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: pick whoever's the CEO. It doesn't mean anything.

688
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really doesn't. And even with like my bumble

689
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: titles and stuff. I've been in these businesses for so

690
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: long now, it's like if you're there early, you're gonna

691
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: get a big title. And sometimes those titles end up

692
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: screwing the business over once the adults need.

693
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: To come into the room and save us all. Yeah.

694
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: So I was just I was also curious about that,

695
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: like where I'm a leveled in a company like this,

696
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: So it was it actually just built my confidence at

697
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: a time where I was feeling deeply insecure and unstable

698
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: in this process, you know. But then at the same time,

699
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: I also reached out to one of Sunroom's investors, this

700
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: woman called Michelle Kennedy, who was actually on the board

701
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: at Bumble, and so she was kind of this famous

702
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: name at Bumble. She came up with the name Bumble. No,

703
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: it was just like an icon. And she then invested

704
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: in sun Room. So she's kind of like been there

705
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: throughout my whole journey. And she founded an app called Peanut,

706
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: which is a community platform for mums.

707
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: Anyone listening to us sees the baby episode will know

708
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: what Peanut is really one hundred percent.

709
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: Okay, because I also when I was pregnant with Alfie

710
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: in LA and I don't know anyone there, I downloaded

711
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: Peanut and went to a few events and like, you

712
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: can track your pregnancy through it. So I'd also been

713
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: a user of this platform, and so I reached out

714
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: to her just kind of saying, you know, I I

715
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: love your product. You know, she knew what was going on,

716
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: and then I was kind of in this period and

717
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: I was asking, you know, do you need anyone to

718
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: consult and she was she's based in the UK, and

719
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: she said, I'm actually in La next week. You should

720
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: come to my hotel. And so I went to her hotel.

721
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: I think we want to meet for half an hour

722
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: or an hour, and it was two and a half

723
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: hours later. We've just been sat there and by the

724
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: end of it, she brought up this idea of me

725
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: potentially coming to Peanut to help run her company. I

726
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: just got Yeah, I just got goosebumps and I have

727
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: them now.

728
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have them now genuinely.

729
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I got tears in my eyes. I was like, Oh,

730
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: there's no fucking way this happens like this, this is

731
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: like my dream, Like my whole career. I feel like

732
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: maybe in articles people have said what my dream job is,

733
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: but I've never said any of my jobs my dream job,

734
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: you know, I've just I've had cool jobs, for sure.

735
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: But now I was in this weird zone where I'm

736
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: operating from my heart and I'm really thinking, like where

737
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: is my true purpose and fulfillment and what problems do

738
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: I want to be working on? Like this is it?

739
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: Like if I was going to start my own company,

740
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: it would be something to do with the community that

741
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: in yeah, to do with mums like that's where my

742
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: mind had been going already. Yeah, So I'm like, why

743
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: would I not go to the place already doing it?

744
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: And you know a part of that. And so I

745
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: ended up having these two like very different options. One

746
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: that would feel incredibly this is so bad to say.

747
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have had to try as

748
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: hard to earn amazing money at the social network. The

749
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: social network, that's not the company.

750
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: It's not the social network.

751
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: It's like how many are there? Like I'll be narrowing

752
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: down by the end of this everyone or not. But

753
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know, I'm about to have

754
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: a second kid. Do I want to go into a

755
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: big workplace where maybe I'm a bit more of a

756
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: cog in the wheel, Like I don't have to flog

757
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: myself as much. I make a really comfortable salary, but

758
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm still a leader. That's really They've got amazing benefits

759
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: like that's it takes a lot of boxing, takes a

760
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: lot of boxes.

761
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: Or do I choose happiness?

762
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're yeay, yes. Do I go to the

763
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: place where, like I think about this problem every day

764
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: as a regular human. I think about this in the shower.

765
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: I read articles about this industry. I identify so much

766
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: more with this problem already, but I'm gonna have to

767
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: work way harder. I'm going to have way more responsibility.

768
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: I need to go in here and be aggressive, like

769
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: I need to aggressively grow this company, and I have

770
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: more to gain in the long run. Yeah, you know,

771
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: it's like again, I think I'm like addicted to the

772
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: potential of anything Ticho. Yeah.

773
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: So I just and I.

774
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: Always ask myself this question. And that's why it kind

775
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: of comes back to the snippet that you played from

776
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: our first ever interview. I just thought, now that I

777
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: know I can get this, I can probably always get that.

778
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: I can probably always go back and get that big

779
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: offer now. Yeah, but like this other one, I don't

780
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: know if that will always be there for me. So

781
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: I just have to go with it. And so that's

782
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: how I ended up making the decision. Michelle was smart,

783
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: Like she got me to do. She got me to

784
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: work on some decks and actually like meet with her

785
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: investors and kind of present a few things. And so

786
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: I got to feel like how it would feel working

787
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: on that problem every day, and it reminded me of

788
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: how I used to feel when I worked at Bumble.

789
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: It was like this deep obsession with you know, like

790
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: staying up till midnight to work on a deck because

791
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: you just find it so fun.

792
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

793
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm like very excited I officially start tomorrow.

794
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Even more special to this like massive

795
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: junction and especially at one. That is the definition of

796
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: why I wanted to start this show. Empowering people to

797
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: make decisions that way, to not that you shouldn't ever

798
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: go to the big money, Like there are amazing ways

799
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: that you could have developed yourself and had a great

800
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 2: life and tipped so many boxes and learned and been

801
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: coached by clever, clever people. But when something calls you

802
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: the way that Peanut is calling you, Yeah, I just

803
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 2: think hearing real life examples of the way people's metrics

804
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: change in the way they decide things and then the

805
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: way that plays out in their happiness day to day

806
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: when they do that role. We need to hear more

807
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 2: of it, because you only, I think you so often

808
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: hear about the other type of decision, whereas this it

809
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: almost seems like it like it was agonizing to go

810
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: through the pros and cons. But it kind of the

811
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: way you've retold it to me sounded like you did

812
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: kind of always know which one you really wanted to do.

813
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: You just have to go through the process. Yeah, whereas

814
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: pre baby, would that have been easy for you to

815
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: make that decision or as easy.

816
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: I think motherhood like demands that you think a little

817
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: bit harder about the choices and the decisions that you make,

818
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: because there's just a bit more like writing. I don't know,

819
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: it's like I think your tolerance for the sacrifices you're

820
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: willing to make it becomes narrower. So for example, with

821
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: like the i'll call it like the comfier option I

822
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: could have taken. That problem wasn't going to light a

823
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: fire in me every day. Sure it was gonna like.

824
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 2: Pay lotts of bills, yeah whatever.

825
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah, But it's like I just became so aware

826
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: of like what I truly give a shit about and

827
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: kind of coming back to that that real life for me,

828
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: it's like when your career has a serious contender and

829
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: it's the love you have for your child. And this

830
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that all people need to go and work

831
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: in like the motherhood and baby space. But I'm a

832
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: marketer and I've always been very drawn to solving problems

833
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: that I actually have myself. And in the Bumble era,

834
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: I really heavily identified with women making the first move

835
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: and you know, if you have the confidence to kind

836
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: of put yourself out there in the dating market, then

837
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: maybe you will ask for the promotion and will maybe

838
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: you will ask for the pay rise. That was so

839
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: heavily aligned with that period of my life. And then

840
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: like that transition into some room, kind of coming out

841
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 1: of COVID and realizing that women could wait make way

842
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: more money on the Internet and the creator economy was

843
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: becoming really legitimized. That was really interesting to me at

844
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: that point in my life. And now you know, I've

845
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: kind of changed, and the problems and things that I

846
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: think about, like are the everyday challenges that mus have

847
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: and how hard this is and how we do need

848
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: support and how there's so much judgment, and how I

849
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: think especially today's mothers like millennial and gen Z women,

850
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 1: I think we're navigating this really unique, interesting time where

851
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: many of us our careers came to be in the

852
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: girl Boss movement, many of the people that we idolized

853
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: and looked up to, you didn't really see like motherhood

854
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: happening alongside that at the same time that's so true,

855
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: or it was this really polished version where it's like

856
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: I can do it all, you know, and it almost

857
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: like has set us up for failure a little bit,

858
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: like it's good and bad. Kind of coming back to

859
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: again what I said earlier, like I'm so grateful to

860
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: have had that hustle, and like I'm owe a lot

861
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: of my career to the girl Boss movement. But it

862
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: also means that by the time we become moms and

863
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: we start realizing like, oh but I love I love

864
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: this too, you know, and maybe my love for this

865
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: superseds my love for my career, and so I do

866
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: want to have a pause. And then maybe you feel

867
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: guilt about that because you've been taught that you need

868
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: to work to show your kids ambition and respect. What

869
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: does that say? Yeah?

870
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: Does that say if you don't work, that you don't

871
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: have it? Yeah.

872
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: Like, there's so many things I think about, like things

873
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: that are said on either side, like that I need

874
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: to work so my kids respect me. I don't like

875
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Speaker 1: that statement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also don't like the statement that you're narcissistic if

878
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: you do go to work.

879
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you can't win honestly.

880
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't like either of these these things.

881
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: And I kind of think us millennial gen z mums

882
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: are like the first to straddle that, yeah, because we

883
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: kind of had a lot of opportunity in our careers

884
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: and like we're also dealing with like cost of living crisis,

885
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: and yeah, I just think we have unique challenges at

886
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: the moment, and I think about this stuff a lot.

887
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: So I'm just really excited to go into a space

888
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: where I can get paid to talk about those things.

889
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 2: Make a huge I am so excited to see how

890
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Peanut is already incredible, but you have a

891
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: very unique and visible impact wherever you go, and I

892
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: can't wait to see how that plays out At Peanut,

893
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: We're so.

894
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: High with so much.

895
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Speaker 2: Behind you. And I did say I knew we needed

896
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: a ten part series because I've barely even asked you

897
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: about the sail and as an M and a lawyer,

898
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: and like I wanted to know about the acquisition, but

899
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 2: I think that's.

900
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: Sure you know this stuff like the back of your hand.

901
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: Sort of even when we sold, I still needed to

902
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: get an M and a lawyer because I think you

903
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: do need the guidance of someone oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, our lawyers. We actually haven't made build for that yet.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm pretty scared, pretty scared.

906
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Speaker 2: But I think that's a beautiful way way to end.

907
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 2: And we've covered so much and it has been so

908
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: beautiful to watch the last seven or eight years, and

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Speaker 2: I just can't wait to see the next So thank

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Speaker 2: you so much.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, thanks so muching me. I'm glad it

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Speaker 1: was you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my goodness. I enjoyed this one so much.

914
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you could hear.

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00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 2: And I feel like Michelle shares just so much value

916
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: on every topic really, but especially those big junctions in

917
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: your career and how to navigate all the factors of

918
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: making big decisions. If you enjoyed or took something away

919
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: from all of her wisdom, please do share the episode

920
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: and tag at Michelle batsby letting her know what you thought,

921
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: thanking her for her time, or even just sending your

922
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: congratulations on these huge milestones. I know we're a little

923
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Speaker 2: less regular it sees the baby chats, but I promised

924
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: you they'd be worth the wait, and even for me,

925
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 2: this one felt like such a cathartic diary entry, exploring

926
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Speaker 2: so many themes that working mum's face as always, let

927
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Speaker 2: me know if there's anything or anyone you want to

928
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Speaker 2: hear from more about and in the meantime, I hope

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Speaker 2: you're having an amazing week and are seizing your yam