WEBVTT - The 'It Ends With Us' Rift Explained 0:00:11.424 --> 0:00:14.144 You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 0:00:14.784 --> 0:00:18.664 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 0:00:18.744 --> 0:00:26.224 that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. 0:00:26.424 --> 0:00:29.384 Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fixed. I'm 0:00:29.424 --> 0:00:31.584 m Burnham and today I'm joined. 0:00:31.264 --> 0:00:33.984 With Ash London. Thank you for having me back. 0:00:34.384 --> 0:00:37.944 Please here on the show today we are talking about 0:00:37.984 --> 0:00:40.104 the new movie It Ends with Us. Yes, we have 0:00:40.184 --> 0:00:42.424 talked about it in the past, but now we're diving 0:00:42.464 --> 0:00:45.944 into all the behind the scenes controversy and drama. 0:00:46.304 --> 0:00:47.264 So much going on. 0:00:47.664 --> 0:00:52.424 My goodness, incredible pr for a movie premier? 0:00:52.664 --> 0:00:53.184 Oh my god? 0:00:53.344 --> 0:00:54.304 Is it incredible pr? 0:00:54.384 --> 0:00:58.344 Or is it a disaster? You'll find out. But first Ash, 0:00:58.464 --> 0:01:00.184 I have some sad news. 0:01:00.344 --> 0:01:02.024 Oh no, please tell me. 0:01:02.144 --> 0:01:06.504 We unfortunately have yet another update from the upcoming divorce 0:01:06.624 --> 0:01:08.944 of Jennifer Ben Afwick. 0:01:09.184 --> 0:01:12.664 Now is it officials they're breaking up? They? What is 0:01:12.704 --> 0:01:14.784 going on? I'm very confused about the whole thing. 0:01:14.904 --> 0:01:17.944 It's so funny how every time we talked about Jennifer 0:01:17.984 --> 0:01:22.544 Lopez and Ben Affleck, it's always an update about their divorce. 0:01:22.624 --> 0:01:24.264 But it's not actually the divorce. 0:01:24.384 --> 0:01:28.624 It's it's just imminent photos, which is what celebrities do, right, 0:01:28.624 --> 0:01:31.384 they're like bread crumb us so that we're not too shocked. 0:01:32.304 --> 0:01:35.384 So it was reported by people j Loo was seen 0:01:35.584 --> 0:01:39.304 visiting Ben Affleck's home in La after spending a day 0:01:39.344 --> 0:01:41.544 with his son that he shares with Jennifer Ghana. 0:01:41.784 --> 0:01:43.904 So that means they have separate houses. We know this much. 0:01:43.944 --> 0:01:44.944 They have separate houses. 0:01:45.024 --> 0:01:48.864 They were looking at merging, like having one big house, 0:01:49.064 --> 0:01:49.664 like with all. 0:01:49.544 --> 0:01:51.944 Of their children in superhouse, a superhouse. 0:01:52.304 --> 0:01:54.864 But it has been reported that now they're looking at 0:01:54.904 --> 0:01:59.664 separate houses. So a source told people, just because she's 0:01:59.664 --> 0:02:02.624 not with Ben doesn't mean she doesn't care about his kids. 0:02:02.784 --> 0:02:04.584 And this is something I feel like they've been drip 0:02:04.664 --> 0:02:07.264 feeding us, like you said, like they're always seen spending 0:02:07.304 --> 0:02:10.504 time with each other's kids, but not spending time to get. 0:02:10.944 --> 0:02:13.304 Yeah, I mean, I hope that it's like a legitimate 0:02:13.344 --> 0:02:16.064 thing that they really do have great relationships with the 0:02:16.104 --> 0:02:17.864 kids and want to hang out, as opposed to some 0:02:17.984 --> 0:02:20.144 like pr thing where they're like, right, you got to 0:02:20.144 --> 0:02:22.464 get your daughter in and he's gonna they got hold 0:02:22.464 --> 0:02:24.664 hands and have a cinnabon or some weird you know, 0:02:24.904 --> 0:02:28.064 like using them as pawns. But I guess they are 0:02:28.104 --> 0:02:30.704 real people and they did love each other. And that's 0:02:30.744 --> 0:02:34.704 what happens, right, like kids become close. Like it's different. 0:02:35.024 --> 0:02:39.224 But remember and Dakota Johnson, whose stepfather is Antonio Banderas, Yes, 0:02:39.264 --> 0:02:41.384 and he got some award and she got up there 0:02:41.424 --> 0:02:43.864 and like presented the war to him and it was 0:02:43.944 --> 0:02:46.384 so beautiful. And then you remember, like, oh, they're actually 0:02:46.384 --> 0:02:47.824 like real people. 0:02:47.664 --> 0:02:50.224 Especially I guess since they're older kids, because they see 0:02:50.304 --> 0:02:53.304 everything and they know everything. Just before this, I don't 0:02:53.304 --> 0:02:55.224 think we've talked about this on the spill. We talked 0:02:55.264 --> 0:02:58.344 about j Loo celebrating her birthday in the Hamdams without 0:02:58.464 --> 0:03:00.904 Ben Affleck because he was working in LA But then 0:03:00.984 --> 0:03:04.504 after that there were images release of Ben Affleck that 0:03:04.624 --> 0:03:07.664 started to trend everywhere because they were labeled as the 0:03:07.664 --> 0:03:10.224 most divorced looking man anyone has ever. 0:03:14.064 --> 0:03:14.504 I'm looking. 0:03:14.584 --> 0:03:17.384 I'm looking at them now. The headline ain't wrong and 0:03:17.464 --> 0:03:20.584 he always wrong dad and his face always looks pissed 0:03:20.624 --> 0:03:22.224 off and exhausted and over it. 0:03:22.784 --> 0:03:25.024 But now the outfit's kind of reflecting it too. 0:03:25.144 --> 0:03:26.824 Yeah, he's having a bit of a glove. So I 0:03:27.024 --> 0:03:28.904 wonder if this is the end of sad Ben He's 0:03:28.904 --> 0:03:32.064 got kind of a haircut that's like shaved on the 0:03:32.104 --> 0:03:34.064 side but a bit longer on the top. It's like 0:03:34.144 --> 0:03:36.824 nearly a Mohok, we're not quite there yet. He's wearing 0:03:36.864 --> 0:03:39.424 avi at a sonny. He's a leather jacket. I feel 0:03:39.464 --> 0:03:41.384 like he's channeling his back tattoo era. 0:03:41.944 --> 0:03:45.664 Yeah, but it's exactly right, but it's not nice, like 0:03:45.744 --> 0:03:48.024 it's I mean, maybe if he's trying to date women 0:03:48.064 --> 0:03:49.584 his age, it's going to work. But if he wants 0:03:49.584 --> 0:03:51.224 it in with the rest of Hollywood men do at 0:03:51.224 --> 0:03:53.544 that age and date someone in their twenties, he needs 0:03:53.544 --> 0:03:54.144 a stylist. 0:03:54.544 --> 0:03:56.864 Yeah, maybe this is going to be the start of 0:03:56.944 --> 0:03:58.984 a Ben Affleck stylist, and then we're just going to 0:03:59.024 --> 0:04:00.224 see him. 0:03:59.384 --> 0:04:02.184 Be I mean so, I don't think so. He's like 0:04:02.704 --> 0:04:05.024 he can't be bothered. He does his own thing. He 0:04:05.144 --> 0:04:07.064 moves to the beat of his own drum. I just 0:04:07.144 --> 0:04:09.664 hope that he never gets truly happy, Like I love 0:04:09.784 --> 0:04:13.024 seeing him just at big Hollywood parties and everyone else 0:04:13.024 --> 0:04:16.064 would die to be at just wanting to be anywhere else, 0:04:16.144 --> 0:04:17.744 Like nothing makes me happier than that. 0:04:18.104 --> 0:04:20.544 Yeah, I want him with his little sad coffee looking 0:04:20.744 --> 0:04:21.584 really sad. 0:04:21.984 --> 0:04:25.784 Just like scowling, whispering angrily to j Lo, like, get 0:04:25.824 --> 0:04:27.424 me the f out of this party. I want to 0:04:27.464 --> 0:04:29.704 go home and you know, play video games or whatever 0:04:29.744 --> 0:04:30.344 he likes to do. 0:04:30.624 --> 0:04:33.064 Yeah, and I feel like he has the like pool, 0:04:33.104 --> 0:04:35.464 the Hollywood pool now to be able to act like that, so. 0:04:35.464 --> 0:04:37.704 You may more power. 0:04:37.424 --> 0:04:40.064 To you be a The only thing that I'm annoyed 0:04:40.104 --> 0:04:42.664 about is that if they do announce their divorce, we'll 0:04:42.664 --> 0:04:44.984 stop getting the updates. And I'm living for these updates. 0:04:45.024 --> 0:04:46.664 I just want us to continue forever. 0:04:46.824 --> 0:04:51.344 It's so great. Good on them. But yeah, no, I 0:04:51.384 --> 0:04:53.824 give it probably three months. Should we do a bet 0:04:53.904 --> 0:04:55.824 now that at least by the end of the year 0:04:55.864 --> 0:04:56.944 the paperwork will be signed. 0:04:56.984 --> 0:04:58.744 Yeah, I'm going to say mid November. 0:04:59.144 --> 0:05:01.584 Okay, I'll go, end of year, I'll go Thanksgiving, went 0:05:01.624 --> 0:05:04.424 to Thanksgiving, like end of November is I'll go, like, 0:05:05.184 --> 0:05:07.664 I'll go like December school holiday, so like first week 0:05:07.704 --> 0:05:10.864 of December where none of us care exactly there's no 0:05:10.864 --> 0:05:14.144 new cycle, Okay, so we. 0:05:14.104 --> 0:05:17.984 Have to talk about everything that's been happening with the movie. 0:05:18.144 --> 0:05:18.864 It ends with us. 0:05:19.584 --> 0:05:23.304 We did talk about the movie on Friday. If you 0:05:23.344 --> 0:05:25.504 missed it, give it a listen, We'll check a link 0:05:25.544 --> 0:05:27.864 of it in our show notes. But today we're not 0:05:27.864 --> 0:05:31.024 talking about the actual movie. We're talking about the real 0:05:31.104 --> 0:05:34.104 people behind the scenes, the people, yes, well in the 0:05:34.104 --> 0:05:35.744 front of camera, people behind the camera. 0:05:35.984 --> 0:05:38.464 And you would have done the people who did both, the. 0:05:38.384 --> 0:05:41.744 People who did both. You would have seen this all 0:05:41.824 --> 0:05:45.304 over your TikTok feeds, social feeds. I didn't really understand it, 0:05:45.344 --> 0:05:46.984 so I'm going to try to break this down, make 0:05:46.984 --> 0:05:50.704 it as clear as possible. So there were rumors that 0:05:50.784 --> 0:05:54.784 started when the film was released because the actors started doing. 0:05:54.584 --> 0:05:57.584 The press tour for it. And I feel like now more. 0:05:57.424 --> 0:05:59.784 Than ever, press tours have become a massive thing. We 0:05:59.824 --> 0:06:02.904 have talked about, like the women dressing up, like making 0:06:02.944 --> 0:06:06.784 their outfits a big deal. They try to make these tropes, 0:06:06.784 --> 0:06:09.344 like these couple of tropes we saw it with Lady 0:06:09.344 --> 0:06:14.504 Gaga Bradley, like Bridgerton, Sidney Sweeney, Glen Powell, and with 0:06:14.664 --> 0:06:17.784 this certain kind of press junket for this movie. 0:06:18.184 --> 0:06:19.184 Something was off. 0:06:19.024 --> 0:06:21.984 Because the cast were doing all of their press tours 0:06:22.024 --> 0:06:26.104 together and Justin Baldoni was doing it separately even though 0:06:26.144 --> 0:06:28.424 he was one of the main leads. Plus he was 0:06:28.464 --> 0:06:31.824 the director of the film, really weird stuff he's never 0:06:31.904 --> 0:06:34.344 seen with the rest of the car, so Blake Lively 0:06:34.504 --> 0:06:36.664 and all of them are together and he's just always 0:06:36.704 --> 0:06:40.464 been separate doing his own thing. So that's when rumors, 0:06:40.464 --> 0:06:42.824 I guess, started to spiral. That's where I first saw it, 0:06:42.904 --> 0:06:46.504 with the people saying that Blake, Lively and Baldoni had 0:06:46.784 --> 0:06:48.584 creative differences on set. 0:06:48.984 --> 0:06:51.184 And they didn't follow each other on Instagram, which is like, 0:06:51.304 --> 0:06:54.664 oh yeah, the Instagram thing red flag. So like Colin Hoover, 0:06:54.944 --> 0:06:57.184 the author of the film, and Blake G. Lively follow 0:06:57.224 --> 0:07:00.744 each other, but not Justin Baldoni. There's also been some 0:07:00.784 --> 0:07:04.264 information floated around that Colen and Blake became quite chummy 0:07:04.824 --> 0:07:07.744 during the film and maybe like Justin was kind of 0:07:08.064 --> 0:07:10.504 separate to that. I don't know what that means, but 0:07:10.864 --> 0:07:13.744 again another bit of proof of this some sort. 0:07:13.544 --> 0:07:15.144 Of a strange divide happening. 0:07:15.184 --> 0:07:17.224 And if we go back to the couple trope thing, 0:07:17.744 --> 0:07:19.504 if that is like a big pr thing that people 0:07:19.544 --> 0:07:22.744 are using to promote these films. Now everyone's married, that's 0:07:22.784 --> 0:07:24.904 like in this film, so they can't do that. 0:07:25.344 --> 0:07:26.104 They had to do something. 0:07:26.104 --> 0:07:27.744 Maybe it's got something to do with well, we need 0:07:27.744 --> 0:07:30.504 to generate some headlines, but everyone's kind of very happily married. 0:07:30.864 --> 0:07:35.664 And also Justin Baldoni is like quite religious, so I 0:07:35.704 --> 0:07:37.984 think he wouldn't probably want to get I don't know. 0:07:38.184 --> 0:07:42.024 Maybe they tried to do the couple trope and then 0:07:42.424 --> 0:07:44.504 last minute decided against it, and. 0:07:44.784 --> 0:07:46.464 Or they just knew they could and they were. 0:07:46.384 --> 0:07:47.904 Like, we have to try something else. 0:07:48.224 --> 0:07:50.104 Yeah, like can you guys have a fight or something, 0:07:50.224 --> 0:07:53.024 or maybe like the fight existed and they were like, Okay, well, 0:07:53.104 --> 0:07:54.744 you know I didn't get along, So we're leaning into that. 0:07:54.784 --> 0:07:55.464 We're leaning in. 0:07:55.704 --> 0:07:57.584 So some of the other things that happened around this 0:07:57.664 --> 0:08:01.544 time was when the film was taking place, the screenwriters 0:08:01.584 --> 0:08:06.224 went on strike just before the massive strike around the 0:08:06.224 --> 0:08:10.224 same time. Blake was doing interviews about the film. She 0:08:10.464 --> 0:08:13.024 was saying that her husband Ryan Reynolds helped her a 0:08:13.024 --> 0:08:16.584 lot with certain scenes and vice versa, like she also 0:08:16.624 --> 0:08:19.624 helped him with Deadpool. And this is really significant because 0:08:19.664 --> 0:08:21.984 Deadpool right now is the biggest movie that's come out, 0:08:22.104 --> 0:08:24.064 and it Ends with Us is the second biggest. So 0:08:24.344 --> 0:08:27.304 these two are just making bank on both of these movies. 0:08:27.344 --> 0:08:29.664 Everyone knows them, everyone knows their face and their names, 0:08:29.744 --> 0:08:31.224 and these are just like, I think one of the 0:08:31.224 --> 0:08:34.784 most powerful couples out right now. So one of the 0:08:34.784 --> 0:08:37.984 screenwriters said that they didn't know that certain scenes have 0:08:38.104 --> 0:08:41.264 changed until they actually saw the movie itself. 0:08:41.064 --> 0:08:43.384 And Ryan Reynolds was the one to rewrite that. 0:08:43.544 --> 0:08:46.344 It's yeah, it's been rumored that Ryan Reynolds was the 0:08:46.384 --> 0:08:47.864 course of this sale. 0:08:47.904 --> 0:08:49.304 That is so orky. 0:08:49.664 --> 0:08:50.824 It's so awkward. 0:08:51.264 --> 0:08:54.944 Like I get they're both extremely talented, but I don't know, 0:08:55.104 --> 0:08:58.304 like there's a way to do things. Justin is trying 0:08:58.384 --> 0:09:02.064 so hard to protect like because it's. 0:09:01.944 --> 0:09:07.184 His name on it, right, He's. 0:09:05.264 --> 0:09:06.464 Not said anything. 0:09:06.144 --> 0:09:09.384 Bad, he's seeming He's like, yeah, Blake's an amazing producer 0:09:09.464 --> 0:09:11.824 and so hands off. So yes, she was hands on, 0:09:11.864 --> 0:09:14.224 like all these things that we think areboud It gets to. 0:09:14.264 --> 0:09:17.344 Him and he's like, yeah, but it's amazing. So I 0:09:17.384 --> 0:09:17.704 don't know. 0:09:17.744 --> 0:09:20.064 It's all very confusing, But I don't think i'd want 0:09:20.064 --> 0:09:23.464 my husband to be like visiting work and meddling this year, 0:09:23.464 --> 0:09:23.584 you know. 0:09:23.904 --> 0:09:26.104 And then now looking back at all the promo that 0:09:26.144 --> 0:09:30.584 we discussed on Friday's episode, I don't remember seeing Baldoni 0:09:30.704 --> 0:09:32.944 on like any carpet, like he was obviously there because 0:09:32.944 --> 0:09:35.504 I've seen interviews now that this has all come to light, 0:09:35.784 --> 0:09:36.944 But on the carpet. 0:09:36.584 --> 0:09:39.704 It was like Blake Ryan, Hugh Jackman. 0:09:40.144 --> 0:09:42.184 Why the hell was Hugh Jackman there? 0:09:42.504 --> 0:09:44.984 I don't know, but it was fine to be there 0:09:45.024 --> 0:09:47.424 because she got to bring Gigi head dead to Deadpool. 0:09:47.704 --> 0:09:50.784 Yeah, but like they're two separate movies. How much money 0:09:50.784 --> 0:09:52.184 do you guys want to make here? 0:09:52.384 --> 0:09:52.544 Like? 0:09:53.024 --> 0:09:57.144 And again, like the thematics of this film are very like, 0:09:57.784 --> 0:10:01.464 it's tough viewing this is really like important topics when 0:10:01.504 --> 0:10:04.144 we talk about domestic violence and like those kind of 0:10:04.184 --> 0:10:07.744 toxic relationships, we need to tread carefully, like there has 0:10:07.824 --> 0:10:09.384 to be a line, and for me, it feels like 0:10:09.544 --> 0:10:11.824 Justin's on one side of the line. And I know 0:10:11.984 --> 0:10:14.264 we'll kind of get into it because the internet's really 0:10:14.624 --> 0:10:17.344 blown up with this, but it seems like Blake's treating 0:10:17.424 --> 0:10:20.584 this like the Barbie Press too well. And really there's 0:10:20.664 --> 0:10:23.384 some kind of themes in here that require some attention 0:10:23.544 --> 0:10:25.984 and require some like what's the word like? 0:10:26.064 --> 0:10:29.344 So like you know, it needs like careful treading and 0:10:30.224 --> 0:10:33.104 and one side of the camp I think hasn't done 0:10:33.144 --> 0:10:36.344 that at all. But yes, there's like more fallout. Surprisingly 0:10:36.424 --> 0:10:38.864 after all of this after all the press. We will 0:10:38.864 --> 0:10:40.184 be getting into that after the break. 0:10:41.944 --> 0:10:43.504 So now we come to. 0:10:43.584 --> 0:10:48.464 The actual interviews that Blake and Justin have been doing 0:10:48.744 --> 0:10:52.344 for this movie. And if you don't know anything about 0:10:52.384 --> 0:10:54.864 the movie and you watch these interviews, it sounds like 0:10:54.864 --> 0:10:57.464 they're both promoting two completely separate films. 0:10:57.624 --> 0:11:00.784 Yeah, one may be a documentary about the epidemic that 0:11:00.984 --> 0:11:05.184 is domestic violence, and one might be a chick flick 0:11:05.304 --> 0:11:09.384 that's like get your girlfriends, have some rose and like 0:11:09.464 --> 0:11:11.944 giggle your way through this film like full of hearties, 0:11:11.984 --> 0:11:13.624 like it's you're absolutely right. 0:11:13.664 --> 0:11:15.064 Two syparate films, two syparate films. 0:11:15.064 --> 0:11:16.784 We'll start with Justin Baldoni. So if you go to 0:11:16.824 --> 0:11:20.424 his Instagram, the last probably like eight to ten posts 0:11:20.424 --> 0:11:23.064 are all about the film and the promotion, and he's 0:11:23.104 --> 0:11:25.664 appeared on big like morning talk shows. I've got two 0:11:25.704 --> 0:11:28.664 grabs to play for you. The one is this very succinct. 0:11:28.664 --> 0:11:31.024 This really just kind of like wraps it up. One 0:11:31.064 --> 0:11:32.824 thing you want people to take away from this project, 0:11:32.904 --> 0:11:34.824 what would you say, hope. 0:11:35.344 --> 0:11:40.064 That everybody has the ability to end a cycle that 0:11:40.104 --> 0:11:42.544 they didn't ask for. We can all say it ends 0:11:42.584 --> 0:11:43.184 with us in our. 0:11:43.104 --> 0:11:44.984 Life and in the second one, he kind of goes 0:11:45.024 --> 0:11:48.064 into more detail. I just remember, this is like daytime 0:11:48.304 --> 0:11:51.304 US television, which is very light and airy and fluffy. 0:11:51.784 --> 0:11:53.624 He could have gone in there and turned on the 0:11:53.704 --> 0:11:55.704 charm and been like, it's a great fun film, go 0:11:55.744 --> 0:11:58.544 see it. But instead, as a man and a man 0:11:58.584 --> 0:12:01.344 with agency, listen to the approach that he takes. 0:12:01.664 --> 0:12:03.784 Of the things that I think is very easy to say, 0:12:03.864 --> 0:12:08.384 especially for us men, is when we maybe talk to 0:12:08.424 --> 0:12:11.184 somebody who's in the situation, or we book or we 0:12:11.424 --> 0:12:14.144 hear a news story, the question that's always asked is 0:12:14.184 --> 0:12:17.064 why did she stay? And that's the wrong question. Yeah, 0:12:17.144 --> 0:12:20.584 we need to be asking ourselves is why do men harm? Yes? 0:12:20.904 --> 0:12:23.944 And that was the big thing for me, And what 0:12:23.984 --> 0:12:25.944 I've learned more and more and more of is like, 0:12:26.264 --> 0:12:28.944 you know, these women who experience this every single day, 0:12:28.944 --> 0:12:32.224 there's real love there. You know, there's charm, there's charisma, 0:12:32.264 --> 0:12:34.544 there's passion, there's this belief that they can be better 0:12:35.064 --> 0:12:38.184 and it's not so simple. So our friends that know more, 0:12:38.464 --> 0:12:40.384 I'm wearing their pen right now. They were the ones 0:12:40.424 --> 0:12:43.784 who helped me make this film as truthful as possible 0:12:44.024 --> 0:12:45.384 and hopefully do justice. 0:12:45.664 --> 0:12:46.304 I just like to. 0:12:46.224 --> 0:12:49.504 Experience this, So he's taking these really seriously, and I 0:12:49.584 --> 0:12:52.304 think the way that he's approaching it, he's very measured. 0:12:52.624 --> 0:12:56.184 He's obviously consulted with DV groups to make sure that 0:12:56.424 --> 0:12:59.504 the messaging is right and it's helpful and it's something 0:12:59.504 --> 0:13:01.384 where people can like feel empowered. 0:13:01.944 --> 0:13:04.544 And then am Blake's kind of taking a bit of 0:13:04.584 --> 0:13:06.344 a different approache, which is her prerogative. 0:13:06.624 --> 0:13:07.304 When I saw this. 0:13:07.304 --> 0:13:08.984 Dress, it was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it. 0:13:09.024 --> 0:13:09.504 I found it. 0:13:09.544 --> 0:13:12.904 It tab ben to and you know, it's the butterfly 0:13:13.024 --> 0:13:15.424 dress and Lily and her experience and the way what 0:13:15.504 --> 0:13:17.784 she goes through and how she comes out of it. 0:13:17.784 --> 0:13:20.424 It just felt so appropriate and also what Britney has 0:13:20.464 --> 0:13:23.704 meant to any girl or any person growing up when 0:13:23.744 --> 0:13:26.824 I did like she was such a shining example of 0:13:26.864 --> 0:13:31.824 a woman who could go through such challenging experiences but 0:13:31.864 --> 0:13:34.264 always do with grace and joy and love. And she 0:13:34.384 --> 0:13:36.224 just always felt like she led with love no matter 0:13:36.224 --> 0:13:36.984 what she was doing. 0:13:37.144 --> 0:13:41.144 So what I found really interesting about this was I 0:13:41.384 --> 0:13:44.704 went in to watch It ends with us without knowing much. 0:13:44.744 --> 0:13:47.264 I knew it was based off a clean book, and 0:13:47.864 --> 0:13:51.424 I didn't know it had a domestic violence undertone with it, 0:13:51.504 --> 0:13:54.744 because all I've seen has been the hype around Blake 0:13:54.824 --> 0:13:56.304 and her outfits. I thought it was going to be 0:13:56.304 --> 0:14:00.264 a really cute, rongcom with a quirky woman who two 0:14:00.384 --> 0:14:01.264 men are fighting over. 0:14:01.344 --> 0:14:02.984 That's literally what I thought, which. 0:14:02.824 --> 0:14:03.464 Is fair enough. 0:14:03.544 --> 0:14:05.144 And he says some sort of a warning at the 0:14:05.184 --> 0:14:07.024 start of the film when you go into watch. 0:14:06.864 --> 0:14:09.464 It, not that I remember, but I also think that 0:14:09.744 --> 0:14:15.064 sometimes with trigger warnings it takes away from the storyline 0:14:15.064 --> 0:14:17.944 and how you react as a person, because the way 0:14:18.024 --> 0:14:22.704 they depicte domestic violence was done so this is the 0:14:22.744 --> 0:14:25.504 wrong word to use, but so well in the way 0:14:25.544 --> 0:14:29.064 that exactly what Justin was saying in his interviews. A 0:14:29.104 --> 0:14:31.864 lot of people who face domestic violence, a lot of 0:14:31.944 --> 0:14:33.944 questions they get asked is why didn't you leave? And 0:14:33.984 --> 0:14:35.544 that's the wrong person to be asking me. She'd be 0:14:35.584 --> 0:14:39.144 asking men why do they harm? And that movie perfectly 0:14:39.224 --> 0:14:42.944 encapsulates exactly why women don't leave and like how hard 0:14:42.984 --> 0:14:45.944 it is. And I thought that was done so brilliantly, 0:14:45.984 --> 0:14:47.624 and I thought it had shown a light on something 0:14:47.664 --> 0:14:49.984 that's so tragic that's happening in society that no other 0:14:50.024 --> 0:14:51.064 film really touches on. 0:14:51.264 --> 0:14:53.464 Yeah, and it's such a great opportunity for Blake to 0:14:53.544 --> 0:14:57.344 align herself with something so powerful, Like you'd think that 0:14:57.424 --> 0:15:00.624 she could see this as an opportunity to, if anything, 0:15:00.744 --> 0:15:03.864 kind of broaden her appeal is the wrong word, but like, 0:15:04.064 --> 0:15:07.544 you know, her and Ryan are so community focused and 0:15:07.584 --> 0:15:10.944 there's that's really good people, Like they're very generous up 0:15:10.944 --> 0:15:13.784 on good causes. It seems like it would have been 0:15:13.944 --> 0:15:16.784 a home run for her to just like yeah, oh 0:15:16.824 --> 0:15:17.064 with that. 0:15:17.384 --> 0:15:20.944 It's really interesting what Blake thought about when she went 0:15:20.984 --> 0:15:24.344 into the marketing of this film. And I can kind of, 0:15:24.424 --> 0:15:26.544 like not to pile on her, but I can kind 0:15:26.544 --> 0:15:29.624 of see her line of thinking. I think what they 0:15:29.864 --> 0:15:33.744 decided her and Ryan was to kind of duplicate the 0:15:33.744 --> 0:15:38.504 success of the marketing for Deadpool without realizing how different 0:15:38.584 --> 0:15:41.784 the movies are and how marketing can't just be a 0:15:41.824 --> 0:15:43.744 copy and paste like it is for most of the 0:15:43.784 --> 0:15:46.104 other films we've seen, Like we've seen it with Ryan Gosling, 0:15:46.144 --> 0:15:49.584 Margot Robbie, Ryan Gosling, Emily Blunt, like yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:15:49.624 --> 0:15:51.864 like they are so easily able to copy and paste 0:15:51.864 --> 0:15:53.984 because we're just seeing like a rom com that so 0:15:54.144 --> 0:15:56.864 easily follows the two lead tropes. We've even seen w 0:15:56.984 --> 0:15:59.664 Chatting Tatum and Scarlet Joe Hanson with this new film, 0:16:00.184 --> 0:16:02.384 and this is just not the film that could have 0:16:02.384 --> 0:16:06.584 been duplicated that way because of the underlining issue that's 0:16:06.664 --> 0:16:07.624 trying to bring to light. 0:16:08.144 --> 0:16:11.864 And maybe their approach was, we want as many people 0:16:11.864 --> 0:16:14.064 to see this film as possible, because the message is 0:16:14.104 --> 0:16:17.424 so important. If we market it too heavily one way, 0:16:18.024 --> 0:16:21.304 people aren't gonna watch it. That's true, So let's go 0:16:21.384 --> 0:16:24.584 out and make this big and colorful and get headlines 0:16:24.624 --> 0:16:26.904 to get people in there. And then we believe so 0:16:26.984 --> 0:16:28.904 much in the message of this film that we know 0:16:29.064 --> 0:16:31.744 that that could be, like you know, another way of 0:16:31.744 --> 0:16:32.224 looking at it. 0:16:32.344 --> 0:16:35.424 Yeah, And I think it has succeeded in doing that 0:16:35.504 --> 0:16:39.304 with Justin focusing on domestic Violet with his press tour 0:16:39.424 --> 0:16:42.264 for his fans, and Blake focusing on it being like 0:16:42.384 --> 0:16:44.904 a rom com, which it's not a rom com, but 0:16:44.984 --> 0:16:47.424 it is working in bringing people in and watching it 0:16:47.504 --> 0:16:49.544 and then talking about it like we are right now. 0:16:50.264 --> 0:16:51.264 What is really. 0:16:51.064 --> 0:16:53.464 Interesting that this has worked is that it was such 0:16:53.464 --> 0:16:55.784 a risky game to play because we've seen it work 0:16:56.064 --> 0:16:59.184 so badly with another movie Don't Worry Darling. 0:16:59.824 --> 0:17:03.544 That's whole again, didn't need as much pr Like, this 0:17:03.584 --> 0:17:05.904 is one of the biggest books of the last couple 0:17:05.944 --> 0:17:08.424 of years for women, and Don't Worry Darling had freaking 0:17:08.464 --> 0:17:10.864 Harry Styles in it and his girlfriend at the time. 0:17:11.184 --> 0:17:13.264 Yes, and the movie flopped. 0:17:13.304 --> 0:17:16.184 Don't Worry Darling flopped. And it's kind of the same thing. 0:17:16.264 --> 0:17:19.224 Like everyone thought there was a massive rift in the cast. 0:17:19.504 --> 0:17:21.424 I mean that one was a bit more obvious because 0:17:21.464 --> 0:17:24.064 you did see Olivia Wilde that video got leaked of 0:17:24.104 --> 0:17:26.184 her going misflow. 0:17:26.384 --> 0:17:27.824 Flow, how do we get her back on? 0:17:28.424 --> 0:17:30.944 And then that like rumor that Harry Styles spit on 0:17:31.024 --> 0:17:33.144 cris Pine, Like it was just like a follow on 0:17:33.224 --> 0:17:34.224 effect of absolutely. 0:17:34.264 --> 0:17:36.064 I think it's just cheap in the film though people 0:17:36.224 --> 0:17:38.624 like this film with a joke. I think before all 0:17:38.664 --> 0:17:41.104 of the press it kind of felt like this cool 0:17:41.224 --> 0:17:44.584 indie film that Harry Styles had signed onto, which is 0:17:44.624 --> 0:17:47.744 like so cool. It lost all the cool effect after that, 0:17:47.824 --> 0:17:49.464 it just became very high school I think. 0:17:49.624 --> 0:17:52.864 Yeah, And I am actually quite glad that the same 0:17:52.904 --> 0:17:56.424 thing didn't happen for this movie. Right here, it ends 0:17:56.464 --> 0:17:59.904 with us because it is such an important film. But yeah, 0:18:00.104 --> 0:18:04.104 like if Blake had kind of changed her marketing for it. 0:18:04.184 --> 0:18:06.224 I think I would have been as a viewer more 0:18:06.264 --> 0:18:10.264 prepared going in to what to expect, Like I was 0:18:10.464 --> 0:18:13.224 not expecting that film at all. I was expecting a 0:18:13.264 --> 0:18:16.664 really cutely fun rom com, especially after the stream of 0:18:16.704 --> 0:18:19.464 rom coms we've been getting so far, and this one 0:18:19.544 --> 0:18:23.464 just hit differently. But now watching the press tool coming 0:18:23.504 --> 0:18:27.184 after it, I do see why people are upset as 0:18:27.224 --> 0:18:29.824