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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fixed. I'm

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Speaker 3: m Burnham and today I'm joined.

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Speaker 1: With Ash London. Thank you for having me back.

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Speaker 3: Please here on the show today we are talking about

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Speaker 3: the new movie It Ends with Us. Yes, we have

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Speaker 3: talked about it in the past, but now we're diving

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Speaker 3: into all the behind the scenes controversy and drama.

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Speaker 1: So much going on.

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Speaker 4: My goodness, incredible pr for a movie premier?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god?

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Speaker 2: Is it incredible pr?

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Speaker 3: Or is it a disaster? You'll find out. But first Ash,

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Speaker 3: I have some sad news.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, please tell me.

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Speaker 3: We unfortunately have yet another update from the upcoming divorce

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Speaker 3: of Jennifer Ben Afwick.

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Speaker 1: Now is it officials they're breaking up? They? What is

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Speaker 1: going on? I'm very confused about the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny how every time we talked about Jennifer

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Speaker 3: Lopez and Ben Affleck, it's always an update about their divorce.

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Speaker 2: But it's not actually the divorce.

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Speaker 4: It's it's just imminent photos, which is what celebrities do, right,

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Speaker 4: they're like bread crumb us so that we're not too shocked.

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Speaker 3: So it was reported by people j Loo was seen

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Speaker 3: visiting Ben Affleck's home in La after spending a day

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Speaker 3: with his son that he shares with Jennifer Ghana.

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Speaker 1: So that means they have separate houses. We know this much.

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Speaker 2: They have separate houses.

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Speaker 3: They were looking at merging, like having one big house,

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Speaker 2: Of their children in superhouse, a superhouse.

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Speaker 3: But it has been reported that now they're looking at

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Speaker 3: separate houses. So a source told people, just because she's

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Speaker 3: not with Ben doesn't mean she doesn't care about his kids.

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Speaker 3: And this is something I feel like they've been drip

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Speaker 3: time with each other's kids, but not spending time to get.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I hope that it's like a legitimate

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Speaker 4: thing that they really do have great relationships with the

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Speaker 4: kids and want to hang out, as opposed to some

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Speaker 4: like pr thing where they're like, right, you got to

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Speaker 4: get your daughter in and he's gonna they got hold

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Speaker 4: hands and have a cinnabon or some weird you know,

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Speaker 4: like using them as pawns. But I guess they are

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Speaker 4: real people and they did love each other. And that's

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Speaker 4: what happens, right, like kids become close. Like it's different.

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Speaker 4: But remember and Dakota Johnson, whose stepfather is Antonio Banderas, Yes,

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Speaker 4: and he got some award and she got up there

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Speaker 3: Especially I guess since they're older kids, because they see

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Speaker 3: everything and they know everything. Just before this, I don't

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Speaker 3: think we've talked about this on the spill. We talked

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Speaker 3: about j Loo celebrating her birthday in the Hamdams without

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Speaker 3: Ben Affleck because he was working in LA But then

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Speaker 3: after that there were images release of Ben Affleck that

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Speaker 1: I'm looking.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at them now. The headline ain't wrong and

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Speaker 1: But now the outfit's kind of reflecting it too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's exactly right, but it's not nice, like

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Speaker 4: it's I mean, maybe if he's trying to date women

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Speaker 4: Be I mean so, I don't think so. He's like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want him with his little sad coffee looking

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Speaker 4: Just like scowling, whispering angrily to j Lo, like, get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like he has the like pool,

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Speaker 1: You may more power.

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Speaker 3: To you be a The only thing that I'm annoyed

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Speaker 3: I just want us to continue forever.

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Speaker 4: It's so great. Good on them. But yeah, no, I

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Speaker 4: give it probably three months. Should we do a bet

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to say mid November.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'll go, end of year, I'll go Thanksgiving, went

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Speaker 4: to Thanksgiving, like end of November is I'll go, like,

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Speaker 3: Have to talk about everything that's been happening with the movie.

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Speaker 2: It ends with us.

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Speaker 3: We did talk about the movie on Friday. If you

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Speaker 3: missed it, give it a listen, We'll check a link

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Speaker 3: people behind the scenes, the people, yes, well in the

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Speaker 1: And you would have done the people who did both, the.

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Speaker 3: People who did both. You would have seen this all

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Speaker 2: Something was off.

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Speaker 3: Because the cast were doing all of their press tours

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Speaker 3: Maybe they tried to do the couple trope and then

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Speaker 1: Or they just knew they could and they were.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like can you guys have a fight or something,

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Speaker 3: So some of the other things that happened around this

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Speaker 1: And Ryan Reynolds was the one to rewrite that.

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Speaker 1: That is so orky.

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Speaker 2: It's so awkward.

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Speaker 4: Like I get they're both extremely talented, but I don't know,

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Speaker 4: like there's a way to do things. Justin is trying

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Speaker 3: His name on it, right, He's.

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Speaker 4: Bad, he's seeming He's like, yeah, Blake's an amazing producer

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Speaker 1: Him and he's like, yeah, but it's amazing. So I

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Speaker 4: It's all very confusing, But I don't think i'd want

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Speaker 3: And then now looking back at all the promo that

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Speaker 3: But on the carpet.

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Speaker 2: It was like Blake Ryan, Hugh Jackman.

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Speaker 1: Why the hell was Hugh Jackman there?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but it was fine to be there

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Speaker 3: because she got to bring Gigi head dead to Deadpool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like they're two separate movies. How much money

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's such a great opportunity for Blake to

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Speaker 4: And maybe their approach was, we want as many people

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Speaker 4: That's whole again, didn't need as much pr Like, this

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it.

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Speaker 3: It's so good, like even like without all the drama,

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Speaker 3: Like both of their acting skills, director skills, producing skills

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Speaker 3: are just absolutely beyond like it's such a brilliant film.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask does Justin play the bad guy?

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Speaker 2: Or he plays the bad guy?

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Speaker 1: Does he? I wondered about that because it could go

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Speaker 1: either way.

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Speaker 2: He does.

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Speaker 3: He does that rolelliantly. And then when you see him

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Speaker 3: do the interviews and talking about how hard it was

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Speaker 3: for him to play that part, I'm like, I can't

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Speaker 3: even imagine like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did it so well, like so believable, which

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Speaker 2: is really scary.

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Speaker 3: And we've seen it also go bad, like I remember

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Speaker 3: Game of Thrones when the guy who played Jeoffrey just

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Speaker 3: quit acting altogether because people genuinely believed he was a

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Speaker 3: bad person.

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Speaker 1: Like if you're too good at your job, good, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But he's such a sweetheart. Everyone knows he's like such

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Speaker 1: a nice guy.

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Speaker 4: I'm drained the virgin and generally, like if you follow

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Speaker 4: the guy on Instagram, it becomes very clear, very quickly

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Speaker 4: that he's very spiritual, he's very family oriented.

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Speaker 1: He's like, he's a good dude.

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Speaker 2: If he can't dude, that's it, he's a good dude.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the spill today.

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Speaker 3: If you want more content on the movie, it ends

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Speaker 3: with us. We did do a little episode on it

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Speaker 3: on Friday. We will link that in our show notes.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise we will see you back here in your podcast

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Speaker 3: speed at three pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye Lan