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Speaker 1: Welcome to the C's the YA Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing we work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives they adore,

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Speaker 1: the good.

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Speaker 3: Bad and ugly.

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Speaker 1: The best and worst day will bear all the facets

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Speaker 1: of seizing your yea. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful

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Speaker 1: of Sarah, a lawyer turned funentrepreneur who swapped the suits

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Speaker 1: CZA is a series of conversations on finding a life

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Speaker 1: you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and

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Speaker 1: so much for the lovely feedback on the past few

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Speaker 1: so glad that last week's fertility and IVF episode in

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Speaker 1: Wasn't Aaron Holland just such an amazing woman? The adoption

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Speaker 1: episode is also coming to you next week. But speaking

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Speaker 1: of incredible women I've squeezed another amazing story in between

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Speaker 1: this week. I heard about today's guest through her brother,

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Speaker 1: who happens to be our editor here at CZA. Very

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Speaker 1: huge shout out to Sam blackas Sam, I know you're

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Speaker 1: Amy is just as much of a legend. Amy Blacker

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Speaker 1: started out as a pediatric occupational therapist, even after not

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Speaker 1: She's one of those amazing examples of not really knowing

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Speaker 1: fundraiser this Saturday, the twentieth of August, I just had

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Speaker 3: Amy. Welcome to Seize THEA.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those rare episodes, you guys, where

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Speaker 1: Amy's brother, Sam is the incredible editor of this show,

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Speaker 2: And that really got me. I was like, we can

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Speaker 2: there that says that this isn't going to work? Like

438
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: suggest it? Like what's really there? And obviously maybe there's

439
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: some things like oh, there's not a big enough reach,

440
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: people aren't going to be in the area, or usually

441
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 2: there's not that much not as bad as you think anyway,

442
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, or even if it is there, it's like,

443
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: all right, so that exists, but how can you manage that,

444
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: Like if it really does get turn upside down, you're

445
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 2: not stuck. Like even I suppose another really useful thing

446
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 2: for us was and it's a whole other conversation around

447
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: just setting up a charity to start with. I just

448
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: went in completely blind. I had no idea what I

449
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 2: was doing. Yeah, set up charity me and cute, Yeah, cute,

450
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: we can do that. Yeah. But one mentor in the

451
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: first meeting that Tullia. So Tullia is the co founder

452
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 2: with me with Surfing the Spectrum. The first thing he

453
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: said to us is what's your exit strategy? And me

454
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: and Tali are like, you know, just at the start,

455
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 2: we're like, what do you mean our exit strategy?

456
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: Like we haven't even yeah, I haven't.

457
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: Even entered abruptly. But it's only been in the last

458
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: years that I've been like, that's actually been really important.

459
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: And I guess that's also ensuring that we don't come

460
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: across sort of founder's syndrome. I think that's what they

461
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: call it, where you get really stuck in your ways

462
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: and really stuck in thought. But the natural process of

463
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: that life death life cycle, it exists. So it's to

464
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: be able to know that something may end, something may

465
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: not stay the same forever is really important to come

466
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: to terms with as well. It's a natural cycle that

467
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: you can't just be like, it's not going to work.

468
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you know what, if I look back

469
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: in the last five years and know what I've done,

470
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: if something was to happen tomorrow and we couldn't continue,

471
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: it would still have been successful. What I did was

472
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: still successful. So that's been really good to come to

473
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: terms within the last twelve months with redefining what that

474
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: sort of looks like.

475
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh, amazing.

476
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: I feel like that whole last five minutes is just

477
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: a SoundBite for the entire show, Like.

478
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: That is so exactly what yeah, philosophy is abowt.

479
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: It's like Bijoya sees it and then it evolves and

480
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: it's not like this is static place that then I

481
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: can founder the charity. It's everything I ever wanted. It's

482
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: doing exactly what I wanted to do, and it's going

483
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: to stay there forever. Like no, yeah, it's not supposed to.

484
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to stay the same either.

485
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: No, that's it. And that's the same with passion. Like

486
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: passions a feeling, it's a sensations. You know, I'm when

487
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: I am surfing, when I'm in the bush, when the

488
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: sun's in the trees, it's a sensation or a feeling.

489
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: It's when you're cooking for people that you love. It's

490
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: not just one thing. It's not just like this is

491
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: my passion. Or if you just sort of like standing

492
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: there being like I'm just you know, looking for my passion,

493
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: just sitting around waiting, it's like, oh, you're never gonna

494
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: find it. Like you just need to see it in

495
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: every little bit of things that you do each day

496
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: because it's there, because it's a feeling that we experience.

497
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that lovely neighborhood.

498
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: It isn't you to anyone that Episode one or two

499
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: with doctor Richard Harris is possibly my personal favorite episode

500
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: of all time. One of my ultimate messages here is

501
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter how unusual or unique your personal

502
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: combination of yay is. Someone out there is looking for

503
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 1: exactly that, And nobody could ever have known that an

504
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: anethetist cave diver was the key to one of the

505
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: hardest rescue missions of our time. They say, you remember

506
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: exactly where you were the moment you heard about a

507
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: disaster like thirteen young boys getting stuck in a cave

508
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: almost impossible to reach for eighteen days. It may just

509
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: be me, but I feel like the details of just

510
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: how impossible the rescue was went over my head at

511
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: the time, and I never really grasped that they may

512
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: not survive. So what I do remember was the moment

513
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: two years later when I realized the dive just to

514
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: reach them was so hard it took the life of

515
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: a Navy seal and could take eleven hours return, That

516
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: it was through coffee colored water in tunnels so narrow

517
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: it touched both their chest and back at the same time,

518
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: that the boys had to be sedated to prevent panic

519
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: in the multi hour dive, and restrained to stop their

520
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: limbs getting cut off by jagged rocks, and that even

521
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: the divers themselves weren't sure they'd come out the other

522
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: end until hours later when they did. These and so

523
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: many other details of this impossible feat still give me goosebumps.

524
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite stories to hear over and

525
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: over again. And now you can watch the mission unravel

526
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: in the incredible new film based on the true story,

527
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: Thirteen Lives on Prime Video, directed by Ron Howard and

528
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: starring the likes of Joel Edgerton and Colin Farrell. You'll

529
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: get goosebumps, spine tingles, tiers of despair and tears of hope.

530
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: It is streaming from August fifth, so it's out and

531
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: now do not miss out. So Talia was in the

532
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: disability sector, you were working as an OT. Both deep

533
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: love for surfing, yes, and then this idea, yeah, I

534
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: think the spectrum yep.

535
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. By then I'd been doing the One Way Surf

536
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 2: Experience and the Fleury Fridays. Talia and I still both worked.

537
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: See I still worked as a surf coach and an

538
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: OT at the same time because I just loved not

539
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: doing just one thing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And my job

540
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: at the time as an OT, I was driving a lot,

541
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: so from Newcastle, driving up you know, up to Scone,

542
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: up the Hunter Valley. It was a lot of driving

543
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 2: to more rural areas, which I really enjoyed, but it

544
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: wasn't as physically active as I really needed. And so

545
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: that sort of gave me a break when I just thought,

546
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: I'm just going to do some surf coaching one day

547
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: a week, just to diversify. And so we were still

548
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: really connected with the Surf School and they were doing

549
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: There was an American organization called Surfers for Autism and

550
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: they came out once a year to Australia. Yeah, to

551
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: do pretty much what we are running now, which was

552
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: setting up the events. The kids could come with their

553
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: families and a whole bunch of local surfers surf schools

554
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: would volunteer their time to allow the autistic kids and

555
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: their families to come to the beach for the day.

556
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: And Talia and I were doing that. At one point

557
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: it stopped just with things that were happening, whether it

558
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: was the board or funding, and Talia and are like,

559
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: oh no, like we can't, this can't stop because all

560
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 2: the surfers were wanting to keep giving in some in

561
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: some sense. So Taliah and I we're so young, yeasy.

562
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: We talked to the owner of the surf school, like, well,

563
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: we can't just let this stop. Let's just do it

564
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: as a day. Let's just at least get I think

565
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: they used to have hundreds of kids come down like

566
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: it was a huge event. We were like, let's just you know,

567
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: do a little Facebook event and say we've got you know,

568
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: fifty families want to come along. We can get them

569
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: in the water thanks to the surf school. And I

570
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: think in about fifteen minutes, like all the spots were

571
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: sold out and we're like, oh no. So then we

572
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: put up another fifty spots sold out again and we're

573
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: like wow, oy no, it was in demand, like they

574
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: families really wanted it. And so from that point Talia

575
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, we can't just not do this,

576
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: like we know how to do this, so we could

577
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: make this into something more. And that's when we started

578
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: in the whole rash, let's do this, let's create a charity.

579
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Speaker 1: Don't you think though, that if you had been less

580
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: naive to what it would actually involve, that nobody would

581
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: start anything like that. Sometimes it's better that you aren't aware. Oh,

582
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: just how much is ahead of you, which is why

583
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: the whole like start before you already thing is so valid,

584
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: because if you were ready, you wouldn't start because that's

585
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: too hard.

586
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is too It was just I think we

587
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: got it was like a startup fund. We picked yet

588
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: it was the same thing that I had practiced at

589
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: from from my OT course. Was a quarter action. We

590
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: had three minutes to pitch our idea and you'd get

591
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: the seed funding. It was a local community thing in

592
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: Newcastle and so with a thousand dollars which was our

593
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: first money that we received as the charity. We're like, yes,

594
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: that's where we got linked up with. What was even

595
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: more important were the mentors, and then they linked us

596
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: up with the lawyers who actually did all the constitution

597
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: and legal parts that it wouldn't have happened if we

598
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: didn't have those connections. So it was really interesting to think,

599
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: like we're at the start, were like, we just need

600
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: the money, We need money. But what was so important

601
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: in that first part of setting up the charity was

602
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: the connections, because yeah, there's no way we could have

603
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: paid for lawyers. That was definitely going to be the

604
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: case throughout our constitution and then you know, get DGR

605
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: status and doing all these bits and pieces. It was

606
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: the connections. So getting yourself out there, which is not

607
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: my favorite thing or to the favorite thing to do.

608
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: We both hate it, but yeah it was worth it. Yeah.

609
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: Funny what you can actually push yourself to do when

610
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: you're like, oh no, this is this is the only way.

611
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: And I think purpose makes it so different, Like what

612
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: you think that you aren't able to do until you

613
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: maybe you just haven't found the thing that you care

614
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: enough about.

615
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: To push you to do it.

616
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: Like when there's a greater purpose driving your whole mission.

617
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: It kind of I don't know, it changes things. It's

618
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: not just unattached to a purpose and something that you

619
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: want to actually achieve as a legacy or to help others.

620
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: I don't know.

621
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: I feel like it suddenly all the things aren't as

622
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: scary when your purpose is so clear. But it's also

623
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: really interesting to me that as someone who's first couple

624
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: of sentences about your childhood or that you found such

625
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: solace in nature and that the people part wasn't really

626
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: your favorite, that the ongoing theme of how this whole

627
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: journey developed for you is like pivotal moments from mentors,

628
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: from people and interactions and relationships and connections, even if

629
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't your forte that like, it's often not so

630
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: much what you can do or how you do it,

631
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: it's who you do it with or who helps.

632
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: You along the way.

633
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's coming through so clearly that like

634
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: you might have at different sliding doors moments chosen not

635
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: to do it or not thought you could do it

636
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: if you hadn't had people to sort of just just

637
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: push you a little bit closer.

638
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly hot. Yeah, there's definitely those moments where

639
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: I would have thought, no, I can't, I can't do this.

640
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: This isn't something that I'm good at. Would be the

641
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: narrative in my mind that goes over and over is

642
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm not good enough. I'm not good enough. That one's

643
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: that that's a favorite for putting on repeat.

644
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, butbe I have that CD too. Oh god, it's

645
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: the best seller.

646
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like really scratched, well used, it's been played

647
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: a lot.

648
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: But went platinum. Like it's on the charts everyone in Australia.

649
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: It's great.

650
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone could relate to that one, I'm not good enough,

651
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: I can't do this. But having yeah, having those people

652
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: there to sort of introduce you to those networks or

653
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: lead you in or where there's some points where yeah,

654
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: it's not going to happen unless you do it. And

655
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: I think that's what you were saying. With regards to

656
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: the purpose and the families and the kids at the

657
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: events give t Leia and I are a lot of purpose,

658
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: along with the surfers as well. They are the ones

659
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: that kind of, you know, when it was all stopping,

660
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: they're like, well, we want to keep volunteering, like what

661
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: can we do? What can we do? And we've never

662
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: had an event where we haven't had enough volunteers, Like

663
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: having volunteers is not our problem. We usually have too

664
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: many volunteers. It's not oh my god, like trying to

665
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: you know, really it's not a real challenge in that sense,

666
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: like they're getting just as much out of the day

667
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: as the kids who for some of them, you know,

668
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: they they often don't get to the beach because of well,

669
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: whether the it's a single parent or just changes in routines,

670
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 2: new environments, busy places, especially the beach on the weekend

671
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: or in summer or where it can be pretty full on,

672
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 2: whether it's the sensory experiences where it's the waves, whether

673
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: it's the sand, the seaweed, the loud noises, the sun,

674
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: the brightness, all these all these factors, and it's just

675
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: so hard and challenging for parents to sometimes get the

676
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: kids to get there, like that's that's the biggest challenge.

677
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: And then when they're at the beach, knowing that it

678
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: doesn't it doesn't really matter what happens, like if there's

679
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: a meltdown, if they're not coping, no one's there judging.

680
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: And that's probably the biggest comment we get from from

681
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: our families is like, I don't feel judged. I can

682
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: come to the beach as my family is, as they are,

683
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: just as they arrive, and I'm accepted just as that.

684
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: And to know that that's not something that they experience

685
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: in almost any other environment that they're in day to

686
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: day is enough to know that it's like, Okay, this

687
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: is really meaningful for these families.

688
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

689
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, tell us a little bit more

690
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: about how you designed what Surfing the Spectrum would offer

691
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: and how often you do it, if it's events, if

692
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: they're like even just surf therapy in general. I know

693
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: there's so much research now into the benefits of water

694
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: for mental health, physical health, Like you know, surfing a

695
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: site just water generally. Then there's like surface specific therapy,

696
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 1: and then there's serving the spectrum and what you guys

697
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: offer in particular. How did you develop your program and

698
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: what does it offer?

699
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: I think definitely grew out of the Surfers for Autism,

700
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: which was an American model which we sort of adapted,

701
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 2: and obviously ours has grown and shifted over the last years,

702
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: which has now included neurodivergent members of our team. So

703
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: Jay is autistic and Jay originally came along as a

704
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: volunteer and then their knowledge has been really powerful to

705
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: making sure that we are allies to the autistic community

706
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: and ensuring that what's coming through is supporting them. So

707
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: we run events at the moment, so from pretty much

708
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: the Gold Coast down to Jerringom on the South coast

709
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: and then hopefully getting to TALKI sum yeah, hey you

710
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: can come along. Oh my gosh, one hundred yes, I'll

711
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: keep you posted.

712
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: Please do.

713
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: And at the moment it sort of works that we'd

714
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: sort of come in. It's a one day event and

715
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: we connect in with the local surf school in the area.

716
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: And for me as the OT, it's really important to

717
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: make sure that we are enabling our community instead of

718
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: coming in and offering something and then leaving when the

719
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: community is then left with not the resources, knowledge or

720
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: know how of how to continue this support. It's much

721
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: more important for us to empower communities to build this

722
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 2: for themselves. So we find it's really important to include

723
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: the local surf school, get them on board, local therapy services,

724
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: and the autism community groups. So the kids come down,

725
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: they sort of have like half hour sessions in the water,

726
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: they get like social stories sent to them beforehand, so

727
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: they have able to anticipate what's going to happen during

728
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: the day. So for our autistic friends, the routine or

729
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: in knowing what's coming next is quite grounding in that

730
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: sense and reducing anxiety. Same as if you were going

731
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: for an interview and you know the questions beforehand, it's

732
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: sort of like, oh, okay, I know what effect. So

733
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: we try and make sure that for all the kids

734
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: they know what's going to happen throughout the day, and

735
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: then we train up the volunteers to support them with communication,

736
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: with social skills and get them in the water. However

737
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 2: they want to be in the water, so our mottos

738
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: just to be safe and have fun. So there's obviously

739
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: an idea out there about how surfing should look, and

740
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: for us, it's very much stripping that back to be

741
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: surfing can be whatever you want it to be. It

742
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: can be lying on a boogeyboard, can be sitting on

743
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: a surfboard, it can be body surfing. But it's that

744
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: knowing that how therapeutic our relationship is with the water.

745
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: Like you were saying before, there is more research coming

746
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: out around surf therapy and we know that or stick

747
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 2: children and or to see people in general are quite

748
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: drawn to bodies of water. And whether that's to do

749
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: with we'd call it like the appropriate receptive input, or

750
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: that's our body awareness, so knowing where our body is

751
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: in space, so shifting that whole. Obviously it changes so

752
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: much when we're in water or we're floating in water,

753
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: and you often find they like to spend a lot

754
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 2: of time under the water because perhaps that sensory experience

755
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: is giving them a better or different understanding of where

756
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: their body is in space. Yeah, so we just want

757
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: to encourage whatever their experience is of surfing, Yeah, whatever

758
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 2: that's going to look like. And so yeah, our events

759
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: will run up and down the coast local surf schools

760
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: and then at the moment, we're just setting up a

761
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: training program for surf coaches to be able to then

762
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: keep these sessions ongoing in their community. So whether that's

763
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 2: being able to access the NDIS and for the participants

764
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: to keep engaging with their local surf school and keep

765
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: building up their skills, whether it's I must have had

766
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: one kid, this was in football quarry and he was

767
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: so unsure about coming to the beach. He had quite

768
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: low tone, so his body and his muscles were quite weak,

769
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: I guess is the way to describe it. Mum and

770
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: dad like they came hours late because it had been

771
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: so hard for mum and dad to get the two

772
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: brothers to come to the beach for the day and

773
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: shift them out of their usual routine. They got there,

774
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: they were quite unsure about it, didn't really want to

775
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: have a go. So a lot of it is following

776
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 2: their lead but still giving them autonomy and choice and saying, well,

777
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: you know, we can sit on the surfboard up here,

778
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: or maybe we can go down down to the shoreline.

779
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 2: Eventually getting him in the water, catching a few waves

780
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: and just the smile on his face was huge, and

781
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: he came in. He was like, this is better than

782
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: the iPad. It was just like, yes, I've got him.

783
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 3: Now we've got to get him out of the water.

784
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: To get him out of the water. But it was

785
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 2: just knowing that because that is obviously another a big

786
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: component to the physical activity side of things. So with autism,

787
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: there's the neurological component, but that also impacts motor skills

788
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: and function along with you know, if there's medication that

789
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: kids are taking, which he's shifting their weight gain. So

790
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: physical activity just on its own is so important, but

791
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: being able to combine that with connecting with a community

792
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: group of surfers outside is kind of where the magic

793
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: sort of happens.

794
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: I think, Oh my gosh, it just sounds extraordinary. I

795
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: can't wait me to come to talking. I want to

796
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: come so much to an event. I don't know where

797
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: I will fit in because I am not a good

798
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: enough server to coach anybody who don't.

799
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 2: Have to be. There's like sand play and sand castes

800
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: on the beach play.

801
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to help sound playing perfect be the same castle, Quinn.

802
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: So I also know that, like very soon you're having

803
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: your next fundraiser, and I imagine part of a not

804
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: for profit is you know, as you mentioned, there's no

805
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: shortage of volunteers, which is incredible, there's no shortage of ideas,

806
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: there's no shortage of need, But like actually funding the

807
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: activities that you do is like the really difficult bin

808
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: and even just there's so much generosity out there, but

809
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: it's just connecting with that to the.

810
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: Cause that you're actually working on.

811
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: So this Saturday, the twentieth of August, what do you

812
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: have going on?

813
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: And how can we support it?

814
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: Well, there are so many ways to support it. I've

815
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: tried to make it as easily support we are. Yeah, yeah,

816
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: any platform you can support us. We have for those

817
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: people that live locally to Newcastle. Obviously there's there's a

818
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: paddle battle on in the morning where people are doing

819
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: a little paddle race. They've all got their profiles though

820
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: that you can donate to. It's five kilometers and we've

821
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: got a couple of the board riders teams are all

822
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: joining in and all their board rider team members are

823
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 2: jumping on board to paddle the five kilometers on any

824
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: sort of craft. So that one is the first time

825
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: we've done something like that, So one's going to be

826
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: a little bit interesting. I don't exactly know how it's

827
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: going to work again, which is the exciting thing. If

828
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: I knew how it was going to work, maybe I

829
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it or wouldn't have done.

830
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: It, But yeah, that's right.

831
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: And then at the night time we have an evening

832
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: event at the local gin Distillery in Newcastle, RBS with

833
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 2: some local bands, some pretty good auction prizes as well.

834
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 2: But what we're doing is that the auction prizes, there's

835
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: like a must be two nights at Crown Towers, the

836
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: Opera House, Opera House Views and Champagne a Skydek and

837
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: a few other things. And there's like Mark Richards is

838
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 2: a surfer here in Newcastle is a fort Home World champ.

839
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: He's donated one of his own boards the auction off.

840
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 2: So we're doing it live on Instagram first time again

841
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: for so anyone can be anyone. Anyone can jump on

842
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: or we've also got some pretty amazing Raffle tickets and

843
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: Raffle prizes that are also online, so anyone can buy

844
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: a Raffle ticket.

845
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you've thought of it all. I know.

846
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: I know.

847
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: So anyone, no matter where you are in Australia at

848
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: least can jump on board for any of those things.

849
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: I suppose, like you said, yeah, no short if there's

850
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 2: volunteers and the support is out there. But Erica Gleason,

851
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 2: she founded Autism Swim, which is another really amazing grassroots charity.

852
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: She had a video the other day which she said

853
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 2: and really resonated with me. She's like, I don't own

854
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 2: Autism Swim and for Telia and I it's the same,

855
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: we don't own surfing. The spectrum in essence, it's owned

856
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: by the community. We're just here to serve the community

857
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 2: in running the charity. Someone can own a charity except

858
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: for the community. So the only reason why they exist

859
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: is because it's a community need, and the only way

860
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: they can keep existing is if we're supported through the community.

861
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: So that resonated with me a lot, because I think

862
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: sometimes people can look on the outside and they get

863
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: a bit, oh, it's going so well, things are going

864
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: really well, and they are. It's great, We've got such

865
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: a great reach and we're fulfilling a lot of the

866
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: missions that we have, But it's based on what the

867
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: community have presented, is their missions. It's just being enacted through.

868
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Speaker 2: To Leia and I, we're just bringing it to life,

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Speaker 2: but it's what is come through from the community, and

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Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's really owned by the community, these small

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Speaker 2: grassroots charities. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love how that ties in with what you said

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Speaker 1: before about over the last sort of twelve months being

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Speaker 1: okay with being guardians for what's happening, and like you've

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Speaker 1: created this movement that kind of transcends people. It's now

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Speaker 1: its own thing with its own momentum, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's so incredible. That you've created this thing that now

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Speaker 1: if you one day weren't around, it's still got its

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Speaker 1: own life, you know what I mean. Like that is

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Speaker 1: so incredibly special. To think this will transcend me, Like

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Speaker 1: that's extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the goal in that sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I am just so inspired by you and

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Speaker 1: I can't.

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Speaker 3: Wait for it to come further down South.

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Speaker 1: But we'll absolutely share all the links to the raffle

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Speaker 1: tickets and the live for this Saturday Saturday Yees Saturdayturday, Saturday, Saturday,

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Speaker 1: the twentieth of August. Everyone listening in the neighborhood, please

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Speaker 1: tune in and support in any way that you can.

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Speaker 1: Will of course make a yahborhood donation as well, but

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Speaker 1: if you can all tune in on Saturday, that.

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Speaker 3: Would be extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys, so many to Amy, You're just doing

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Speaker 1: amazing things, and congratulations as well. Like as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: it's a long journey. It's not easy to like DG

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Speaker 1: our status alone is like a total disaster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's been a great and is still a

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Speaker 2: great journey. I wouldn't have wanted to do, Yeah, anything else.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy with the pathway I suppose and being open

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Speaker 2: to what's arriving amazing.

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Speaker 3: Well, very last question, just to finish up.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a quote that kind of represents serving

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Speaker 1: the spectrum or that you would like to leave everyone

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Speaker 1: with on their own pathways?

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Speaker 2: Do I have a quote? I don't. I suppose there

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Speaker 2: was some words that I was saying to a group

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Speaker 2: of fourth Coot students that I had and that was

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Speaker 2: sort of a round passion that might be I guess,

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Speaker 2: guess of relevance from definitely what we've said today, but

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Speaker 2: talking that passion is each and every moment that you're alive.

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Speaker 2: So don't give into that societal expectation that it is

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Speaker 2: somewhere outside of yourself. So each day instead, be useful,

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Speaker 2: don't wait for passion, be useful, solve problems, connect with people,

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Speaker 2: and find ease, because this is where you will see motion.

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Speaker 2: For Remember, passion is a feeling and energy, and you

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Speaker 2: will start to see your passion arise where your energy

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Speaker 2: and effort reach is someone's need.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's beautiful and so perfect for everything

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Speaker 1: we've spoken about and everything that this show is about.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for your time, Amy, and

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Speaker 1: I hope this weekend and beyond goes incredibly.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Oh, as promised, there will be links to everything for

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Speaker 1: Saturday and beyond in the show notes. Please get behind

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Speaker 1: Amy and Serving the Spectrum. I mean, what a woman

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Speaker 1: and what an incredible initiative. I would so love the

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Speaker 1: neighborhood to help spread the word by sharing the episode,

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Speaker 1: to thank Amy for her time, time and work tagging

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Speaker 1: Saving the Spectrum and of course us so we can

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Speaker 1: keep growing the neighborhood as.

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Speaker 3: Far and wide as possible.

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Speaker 1: I am somehow off again to another overseas wedding, truly

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Speaker 1: seizing the AA at the moment before the family chapter

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Speaker 1: of our life begins and the spontaneity maybe slows down

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Speaker 1: a tiny bit, so not saying no to any.

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Speaker 2: Of life's delights.

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Speaker 1: But as I mentioned the adoption episode, we'll be going

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Speaker 1: live with another amazing guest and story shortly after that,

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Speaker 1: so you won't be missing out, I promise. I hope

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Speaker 1: you're having an amazing week and is seizing your YA.

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Speaker 1: And of course if you haven't caught up yet you

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Speaker 1: might not have heard. I'm pretty sure you have. We

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Speaker 1: have a new show called Feast Pod with three or

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Speaker 1: four time maybe five time guests now cone on one

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Speaker 1: of my dearest friends, which has been such a hoot.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of spontaneity, it literally started twenty four hours after

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Speaker 1: we first had the idea. That was only a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and we're about to be four episodes in.

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Speaker 1: So far so Feast is our spicy little sister, a

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Speaker 1: little bit cheekier than sees the AA. But if you

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Speaker 1: run out of ya in the meantime, head on over

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Speaker 1: to Feast Pod for some chaotic laughs and serious curiosity quenching.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy that just as much