1 00:00:10,574 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,774 --> 00:00:21,934 Speaker 2: Hi. 5 00:00:22,054 --> 00:00:25,174 Speaker 3: I'm Grace Riverray. This is Mumma MEA's twice daily news podcast. 6 00:00:25,214 --> 00:00:29,094 Speaker 3: The Quickie jen Zed is locking in. They're cutting out 7 00:00:29,094 --> 00:00:32,734 Speaker 3: social media, alcohol and nights out to hyper focus on 8 00:00:32,814 --> 00:00:35,854 Speaker 3: goals and mental health. Is it the secret to success 9 00:00:35,894 --> 00:00:40,414 Speaker 3: and happiness or just ironically another online hack? Plus, with 10 00:00:40,494 --> 00:00:43,374 Speaker 3: the federal election looming, what's life really like on the 11 00:00:43,414 --> 00:00:46,654 Speaker 3: campaign trail? We speak to someone traveling with the major 12 00:00:46,694 --> 00:00:49,134 Speaker 3: parties to find out what goes on behind the scenes 13 00:00:49,254 --> 00:00:51,334 Speaker 3: with the people vuying for the top job to lead 14 00:00:51,414 --> 00:00:54,574 Speaker 3: the country. But before we get there, here's Claire Murphy 15 00:00:54,614 --> 00:00:57,094 Speaker 3: with the latest from the Quickie newsroom for Thursday, April 16 00:00:57,134 --> 00:00:57,654 Speaker 3: twenty four. 17 00:00:58,134 --> 00:01:01,494 Speaker 1: Thanks Grace. Opposition leader Peter Dutton has pledged to make 18 00:01:01,614 --> 00:01:04,454 Speaker 1: using a mobile phone or computer to harm a domestic 19 00:01:04,494 --> 00:01:08,654 Speaker 1: partner a crime if elected. The coalition has promised ninety 20 00:01:08,694 --> 00:01:12,054 Speaker 1: million dollars to addressed domestic violence issues, building on the 21 00:01:12,134 --> 00:01:15,094 Speaker 1: National Plan to end Violence against Women and Children within 22 00:01:15,134 --> 00:01:19,654 Speaker 1: a decade by implementing measures focused on prevention early intervention 23 00:01:19,854 --> 00:01:23,654 Speaker 1: and crisis response. The new offenses would criminalize the tracking 24 00:01:23,694 --> 00:01:26,654 Speaker 1: of victims or coercing them through the use of devices. 25 00:01:26,974 --> 00:01:30,814 Speaker 1: Mobile phones would also be recycled, ensuring victim survivors can't 26 00:01:30,814 --> 00:01:34,134 Speaker 1: be further tracked or harassed. Mister Dalton said a government 27 00:01:34,174 --> 00:01:37,054 Speaker 1: that he leads would be focused on delivering real change 28 00:01:37,054 --> 00:01:40,094 Speaker 1: so that families, women and children are safer, and that 29 00:01:40,174 --> 00:01:44,214 Speaker 1: he would end family and domestic violence. A former Independent 30 00:01:44,334 --> 00:01:47,334 Speaker 1: MP has told regional Australians that staying loyal to a 31 00:01:47,374 --> 00:01:51,214 Speaker 1: local member is never rewarded, saying its marginal seats that 32 00:01:51,294 --> 00:01:54,454 Speaker 1: get the most attention. Tony Windsor, the former Member for 33 00:01:54,534 --> 00:01:57,654 Speaker 1: New England, a seat now held by the Nationals, Barnaby Joyce, 34 00:01:57,974 --> 00:02:01,094 Speaker 1: says that country people have suffered because they've stayed loyal 35 00:02:01,134 --> 00:02:04,014 Speaker 1: to people who've never done anything for them, calling on 36 00:02:04,094 --> 00:02:08,614 Speaker 1: rural Australians to embrace political competition and that independent candidates, 37 00:02:08,694 --> 00:02:11,894 Speaker 1: including former Tres Triple Jay radio host Alex Dyson, who's 38 00:02:11,934 --> 00:02:14,614 Speaker 1: running for the Victorian seat of Wannen, are a breath 39 00:02:14,694 --> 00:02:17,574 Speaker 1: of fresh air. The May three election has been tipped 40 00:02:17,574 --> 00:02:20,054 Speaker 1: to result in a minority government, due in part to 41 00:02:20,094 --> 00:02:23,574 Speaker 1: the predicted rise of independence in key regional seats, mister 42 00:02:23,614 --> 00:02:26,934 Speaker 1: Windsor saying the claims that minority governments are chaos aren't 43 00:02:26,934 --> 00:02:29,534 Speaker 1: true and in fact it can mean more bargaining power 44 00:02:29,574 --> 00:02:32,654 Speaker 1: for seats that have otherwise been considered safe and therefore 45 00:02:32,694 --> 00:02:36,734 Speaker 1: not necessarily important to focus on. With the election now 46 00:02:36,814 --> 00:02:39,454 Speaker 1: just over a week away, Australians can be expected to 47 00:02:39,494 --> 00:02:42,214 Speaker 1: see more mud slinging from all sides of the political 48 00:02:42,254 --> 00:02:45,294 Speaker 1: spectrum as they employ the dirt tactic to try and 49 00:02:45,334 --> 00:02:47,774 Speaker 1: convince you to vote for them and not the opposition. 50 00:02:48,214 --> 00:02:51,974 Speaker 1: With campaignings set to pause for ANZAC Day tomorrow, Opposition 51 00:02:52,054 --> 00:02:54,974 Speaker 1: leader Peter Dutton has ramped up personal attacks on Prime 52 00:02:54,974 --> 00:02:59,014 Speaker 1: Minister Anthony Alberizi, calling him weak and a liar. Mister 53 00:02:59,054 --> 00:03:02,134 Speaker 1: Alberzi has also started to go on the offensive, warning 54 00:03:02,134 --> 00:03:05,614 Speaker 1: the coalition will unleash secret cuts if they win government. 55 00:03:06,094 --> 00:03:11,614 Speaker 1: According to Latrobe University politics professor Andrekhusen, studies shown negative 56 00:03:11,654 --> 00:03:15,054 Speaker 1: campaigning does work because it builds on our fears and 57 00:03:15,134 --> 00:03:18,654 Speaker 1: fear is a powerful emotion to initiate action. It's not 58 00:03:18,814 --> 00:03:21,334 Speaker 1: just the major parties who get dirty. As election day 59 00:03:21,374 --> 00:03:25,294 Speaker 1: closes in either the Australian Electoral Commission has confirmed they've 60 00:03:25,294 --> 00:03:28,774 Speaker 1: identified the person behind a flyer drop that threatened to 61 00:03:28,854 --> 00:03:32,574 Speaker 1: expose independent MP Allegoris Spender in the seat of Wentworth. 62 00:03:32,974 --> 00:03:36,374 Speaker 1: The AEC says they've identified the person responsible for the 63 00:03:36,414 --> 00:03:40,014 Speaker 1: flyers that gave no authorization so couldn't be attributed to 64 00:03:40,054 --> 00:03:43,054 Speaker 1: anyone or give those receiving them any idea where the 65 00:03:43,094 --> 00:03:46,174 Speaker 1: information came from, but have chosen not to reveal that 66 00:03:46,254 --> 00:03:49,534 Speaker 1: person's identity at this time. The person is said to 67 00:03:49,574 --> 00:03:52,814 Speaker 1: have no link to any political party or candidate contesting 68 00:03:52,854 --> 00:03:56,734 Speaker 1: the seat. After his company, Tesla, reported a seventy one 69 00:03:56,774 --> 00:04:00,374 Speaker 1: percent drop in first quarter profits, Elon Musk has announced 70 00:04:00,374 --> 00:04:03,254 Speaker 1: he'll be returning to a more operational role in the company. 71 00:04:03,734 --> 00:04:06,614 Speaker 1: On a call with investors, Musk revealed that starting early 72 00:04:06,694 --> 00:04:09,454 Speaker 1: next month, his time allocation to the Department of govern 73 00:04:09,694 --> 00:04:12,814 Speaker 1: Efficiency that he's been running in Washington for President Donald 74 00:04:12,814 --> 00:04:16,374 Speaker 1: Trump will drop significantly. He had said he would be 75 00:04:16,454 --> 00:04:19,934 Speaker 1: dropping the DOSE responsibilities completely, but has since said he'll 76 00:04:19,974 --> 00:04:21,694 Speaker 1: now have a couple of days a week and can 77 00:04:21,734 --> 00:04:25,854 Speaker 1: allocate more time to Tesla. Competition from Chinese brands and 78 00:04:25,934 --> 00:04:29,614 Speaker 1: mister Musk's role in slashing thousands of government employee jobs 79 00:04:29,894 --> 00:04:33,294 Speaker 1: has seen the once popular car brand, sales drop significantly 80 00:04:33,334 --> 00:04:36,814 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, the company posting its worst performance 81 00:04:36,854 --> 00:04:40,374 Speaker 1: since twenty twenty one. It's being reported that both Taylor 82 00:04:40,414 --> 00:04:43,774 Speaker 1: Swift and Hugh Jackman will be subpoenaed to give evidence 83 00:04:43,774 --> 00:04:46,694 Speaker 1: in the court case between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. 84 00:04:47,214 --> 00:04:50,254 Speaker 1: Lively and Baldoni have sued each other over there falling 85 00:04:50,294 --> 00:04:52,214 Speaker 1: out during the filming of the movie. It ends with 86 00:04:52,334 --> 00:04:56,454 Speaker 1: us Lively accusing Baldoni of emotional distress and lost wages, 87 00:04:56,694 --> 00:05:00,334 Speaker 1: Baldoni accusing Lively and husband Ryan Reynolds of hijacking the 88 00:05:00,334 --> 00:05:02,974 Speaker 1: movie he was directing and making a joke of him 89 00:05:02,974 --> 00:05:05,974 Speaker 1: in the dead Pool movie. Baldoni claims Swift, who's a 90 00:05:05,974 --> 00:05:08,694 Speaker 1: friend of Lovely and Reynolds, was used as a weapon 91 00:05:08,734 --> 00:05:11,614 Speaker 1: against him to waited him to hand over creative control 92 00:05:11,654 --> 00:05:14,414 Speaker 1: of the movie. His complaints, saying she was at their 93 00:05:14,454 --> 00:05:16,854 Speaker 1: home when he was called over for a meeting and 94 00:05:16,854 --> 00:05:20,214 Speaker 1: that she praised Lively's rewrites of the script, making it 95 00:05:20,254 --> 00:05:23,454 Speaker 1: clear that he was facing influential and wealthy celebrities in 96 00:05:23,494 --> 00:05:26,574 Speaker 1: this battle. It's being reported that both Swift and Jackman 97 00:05:26,614 --> 00:05:27,934 Speaker 1: will be served this week. 98 00:05:28,454 --> 00:05:31,854 Speaker 3: Thanks Claire next, want to know what the election campaign 99 00:05:31,934 --> 00:05:34,374 Speaker 3: looks like from the inside, we chat to someone on 100 00:05:34,414 --> 00:05:42,134 Speaker 3: the ground living it in real time. With the federal 101 00:05:42,174 --> 00:05:46,214 Speaker 3: election creeping closer, the political noise is only getting louder. 102 00:05:47,454 --> 00:05:51,014 Speaker 3: But what's really happening behind the headlines, the press conferences 103 00:05:51,214 --> 00:05:54,494 Speaker 3: and the carefully curated sound bites To find out, we're 104 00:05:54,534 --> 00:05:56,534 Speaker 3: talking to someone who's right in the thick of it. 105 00:05:57,054 --> 00:06:00,334 Speaker 3: Jess Wang is a federal politics reporter for Newswire, and 106 00:06:00,414 --> 00:06:02,974 Speaker 3: she's been traveling across the country with the major parties 107 00:06:03,174 --> 00:06:05,414 Speaker 3: in the lead up to the election day. From early 108 00:06:05,454 --> 00:06:08,574 Speaker 3: morning media calls to last minute policy drops, She's seen 109 00:06:08,574 --> 00:06:11,334 Speaker 3: what life is like on the campaign trail and what 110 00:06:11,334 --> 00:06:14,054 Speaker 3: it reveals about the people who want to run this country. 111 00:06:15,454 --> 00:06:18,214 Speaker 3: Just we only sort of know about these campaign trails 112 00:06:18,214 --> 00:06:20,374 Speaker 3: from film and TV about how they all run this 113 00:06:20,534 --> 00:06:23,094 Speaker 3: like chaos of jumping on buses and off buses. And 114 00:06:23,134 --> 00:06:25,254 Speaker 3: I feel like, maybe that's correct because you've just jumped 115 00:06:25,294 --> 00:06:27,054 Speaker 3: off a plane. But can you take me through the 116 00:06:27,134 --> 00:06:28,534 Speaker 3: day to day of the campaign trail? 117 00:06:28,894 --> 00:06:31,694 Speaker 4: So we sort of, depending on what camp you're on, 118 00:06:31,854 --> 00:06:34,814 Speaker 4: your either find out what you're doing the day before, 119 00:06:35,214 --> 00:06:37,094 Speaker 4: and then you sort of just get on the bus. 120 00:06:37,134 --> 00:06:40,814 Speaker 4: Normally most days of flight bolt you don't really know 121 00:06:40,854 --> 00:06:43,374 Speaker 4: what you're doing. It's all sort of a bit by 122 00:06:43,414 --> 00:06:43,814 Speaker 4: the hour. 123 00:06:43,934 --> 00:06:46,934 Speaker 3: Really have you been following both the PM and the 124 00:06:46,974 --> 00:06:49,374 Speaker 3: opposition leader? And I guess it's got to be completely 125 00:06:49,494 --> 00:06:52,054 Speaker 3: unbiased reporting. How do you sort of divide your time? 126 00:06:52,334 --> 00:06:56,414 Speaker 4: Generally if you're on the buses, it's definitely difficult to 127 00:06:56,414 --> 00:06:59,014 Speaker 4: sort of get as overly that you would normally have 128 00:06:59,294 --> 00:07:01,934 Speaker 4: in the office, depending on what you're scheduled. You don't 129 00:07:01,934 --> 00:07:05,214 Speaker 4: have reception when when the opponent or the other person 130 00:07:05,374 --> 00:07:08,294 Speaker 4: is doing the press conference. But I think that election 131 00:07:08,414 --> 00:07:11,854 Speaker 4: times are the only time really we have that daily 132 00:07:11,934 --> 00:07:15,054 Speaker 4: access to a leader. You'll see them three or four 133 00:07:15,094 --> 00:07:18,374 Speaker 4: times really in a day, versus at best feeding during 134 00:07:18,454 --> 00:07:20,934 Speaker 4: parliament and parliament sitting alone and sort of see them 135 00:07:21,334 --> 00:07:24,254 Speaker 4: and you really get to see how they responded daily 136 00:07:24,294 --> 00:07:27,694 Speaker 4: news cycles. I guess in terms of the unbiasedness, if 137 00:07:27,734 --> 00:07:30,534 Speaker 4: you're going on the campaign trail, you're sort of trying 138 00:07:30,534 --> 00:07:32,294 Speaker 4: to get as much of that color and the personality 139 00:07:32,334 --> 00:07:34,134 Speaker 4: as the leader and sort of seeing how they respond 140 00:07:34,214 --> 00:07:37,894 Speaker 4: to the surprise situations that come out during an election 141 00:07:38,014 --> 00:07:38,934 Speaker 4: campaign and. 142 00:07:38,854 --> 00:07:41,014 Speaker 3: What is the energy like in both of the camps, 143 00:07:41,334 --> 00:07:42,854 Speaker 3: as we're almost a week ount. 144 00:07:43,094 --> 00:07:45,414 Speaker 4: I remember when I was on sort of the Peter 145 00:07:45,494 --> 00:07:48,734 Speaker 4: Dutt's camp. It was kind of interesting because he didn't 146 00:07:48,734 --> 00:07:51,574 Speaker 4: really do that man commedia appearances. I'm based in Canberra. 147 00:07:51,934 --> 00:07:55,174 Speaker 4: You barely did a post conference, so being able to 148 00:07:55,214 --> 00:07:57,934 Speaker 4: see him and asking questions sort of on the daily basis, 149 00:07:57,974 --> 00:08:03,254 Speaker 4: that was really interesting. I thought he handled everything quite well. Generally, 150 00:08:03,494 --> 00:08:05,974 Speaker 4: like Dutton's boys praised for how calm he is. He's 151 00:08:06,014 --> 00:08:08,014 Speaker 4: not reactive and he sort of is able to sort 152 00:08:08,014 --> 00:08:10,774 Speaker 4: of handle all those questions, so he deals with them 153 00:08:10,854 --> 00:08:12,934 Speaker 4: quite well. I wouldn't say that there were any major 154 00:08:13,414 --> 00:08:16,094 Speaker 4: mistakes or stuff up. Definitely think I could work from 155 00:08:16,174 --> 00:08:19,454 Speaker 4: home policy. When they had to ditch that, that was embarrassing. 156 00:08:19,694 --> 00:08:21,734 Speaker 4: It's a big news story, but I don't think it 157 00:08:22,254 --> 00:08:25,854 Speaker 4: railped this campaign necessarily. And then on the Labor's campaign, 158 00:08:26,454 --> 00:08:28,814 Speaker 4: I think we've definitely seen a pace pick up a bit. 159 00:08:29,014 --> 00:08:31,214 Speaker 4: We're heading into the last week and a half now 160 00:08:31,254 --> 00:08:33,254 Speaker 4: and we've got three or four stops a day, but 161 00:08:33,534 --> 00:08:36,174 Speaker 4: you know, we're seeing them cover a lotmockground. By today, 162 00:08:36,214 --> 00:08:39,934 Speaker 4: we've flown from Sydney and then we flew to the 163 00:08:39,974 --> 00:08:43,454 Speaker 4: South Coast West Australia, and I know we'll be impact more. 164 00:08:44,014 --> 00:08:46,574 Speaker 4: We'll be in city and then maybe Canberra again to 165 00:08:46,814 --> 00:08:50,414 Speaker 4: Anti day. So we've got that really fast paced city 166 00:08:50,414 --> 00:08:52,974 Speaker 4: to city going to marginal seats, firming up the best support. 167 00:08:53,334 --> 00:08:54,974 Speaker 4: I think that pace is them is going to continue 168 00:08:55,014 --> 00:08:56,934 Speaker 4: as we get close to May three. 169 00:08:57,094 --> 00:08:59,654 Speaker 3: What can we expect in this last week apart from 170 00:08:59,774 --> 00:09:02,254 Speaker 3: the pace of the campaigning pickup? Is there anything that 171 00:09:02,294 --> 00:09:05,134 Speaker 3: we should be on the lookout publicity moments that we 172 00:09:05,214 --> 00:09:06,694 Speaker 3: might be seeing that they could help us make a 173 00:09:06,734 --> 00:09:08,214 Speaker 3: decision into who we want to vote for. 174 00:09:08,614 --> 00:09:11,374 Speaker 4: I will say that was a passing of Cope Frances 175 00:09:11,414 --> 00:09:13,894 Speaker 4: on Tuesday. We haven't seen any of the leaders go 176 00:09:13,974 --> 00:09:17,774 Speaker 4: to a pre polling group. Generally, the campaigning really reached 177 00:09:17,854 --> 00:09:20,494 Speaker 4: big pitch in the last week. You've got both camps, 178 00:09:20,574 --> 00:09:23,414 Speaker 4: normal rules to go from three or four states in 179 00:09:23,414 --> 00:09:26,334 Speaker 4: the day. It's got Morrison I think the last campaign 180 00:09:26,374 --> 00:09:28,294 Speaker 4: in twenty and twenty two h which is going all 181 00:09:28,294 --> 00:09:31,654 Speaker 4: over the place like a crossing the country. That's likely 182 00:09:31,734 --> 00:09:34,694 Speaker 4: something that will see from I imagine leads. It's probably 183 00:09:34,734 --> 00:09:37,374 Speaker 4: going to be a lot of that. Really, you know, 184 00:09:37,414 --> 00:09:40,374 Speaker 4: we won't get too many new policy ideas and really 185 00:09:40,374 --> 00:09:44,734 Speaker 4: they announced everything to day now and what they're doing 186 00:09:44,774 --> 00:09:45,854 Speaker 4: ours for just breaking. 187 00:09:45,934 --> 00:09:53,134 Speaker 3: Yet there's always a new trend that gen Z seems 188 00:09:53,134 --> 00:09:55,934 Speaker 3: to be bringing into our lives, from fashioned doos and 189 00:09:56,014 --> 00:09:59,534 Speaker 3: domes to bed rotting or slang that leaves this millennial 190 00:09:59,694 --> 00:10:03,694 Speaker 3: completely confused. But one trend, well, maybe it's a hack. 191 00:10:04,334 --> 00:10:06,414 Speaker 3: It feels like they've cracked the code on why we're 192 00:10:06,454 --> 00:10:12,294 Speaker 3: also overwhelmed. It's gold locking. This is where GenZ, the 193 00:10:12,334 --> 00:10:16,614 Speaker 3: digital generation raised on scrolling, is choosing to switch off completely. 194 00:10:17,254 --> 00:10:20,334 Speaker 3: They're saying no to distractions like alcohol and social media, 195 00:10:20,654 --> 00:10:23,734 Speaker 3: and yes to hyper focus. Whether it's working hard for 196 00:10:23,734 --> 00:10:26,694 Speaker 3: an exam or building a side hustle or protecting their 197 00:10:26,694 --> 00:10:29,734 Speaker 3: mental health. They're opting out of the noise to lock 198 00:10:29,774 --> 00:10:33,454 Speaker 3: in something more meaningful. Gen Zed, who are often labeled 199 00:10:33,494 --> 00:10:37,494 Speaker 3: screen addicted or lazy, might actually be setting better boundaries 200 00:10:37,734 --> 00:10:41,134 Speaker 3: than the rest of us. They're sleeping more, drinking less, 201 00:10:41,294 --> 00:10:44,054 Speaker 3: logging off, many in bed by nine pm, not out 202 00:10:44,054 --> 00:10:47,334 Speaker 3: clubbing until five am. So maybe this is a cultural 203 00:10:47,334 --> 00:10:50,294 Speaker 3: reset we didn't know we need it. Tarlie Blackman is 204 00:10:50,294 --> 00:10:53,294 Speaker 3: our resident gen Zed council here at Muma Mia. Having 205 00:10:53,334 --> 00:10:56,294 Speaker 3: grown up on social media. She's embraced locking in as 206 00:10:56,294 --> 00:10:59,654 Speaker 3: a way to stay focused and protect her mental health. Tarlie, 207 00:10:59,654 --> 00:11:02,614 Speaker 3: how do you think growing up online has shaped your worldview? 208 00:11:02,654 --> 00:11:05,014 Speaker 3: If it has compared to older generations. 209 00:11:05,654 --> 00:11:09,094 Speaker 2: We're the only generation that's grown up with technology throughout 210 00:11:09,094 --> 00:11:12,454 Speaker 2: our life, like it's never not been there, and so 211 00:11:12,694 --> 00:11:16,174 Speaker 2: the influence that social media has on our lives is 212 00:11:16,174 --> 00:11:19,334 Speaker 2: that we're constantly comparing ourselves to what we see on 213 00:11:19,374 --> 00:11:22,934 Speaker 2: the Internet, and we're constantly trying to prove ourselves to 214 00:11:22,974 --> 00:11:26,414 Speaker 2: the world that we are excelling and that we're actually 215 00:11:26,454 --> 00:11:29,134 Speaker 2: trying because I feel like gen Z gets a really 216 00:11:29,174 --> 00:11:32,014 Speaker 2: bad rap and people think that we're lazy, and people 217 00:11:32,054 --> 00:11:35,734 Speaker 2: think that we don't want to have careers or have 218 00:11:35,774 --> 00:11:38,774 Speaker 2: successful relationships and all that sort of stuff, and I 219 00:11:38,814 --> 00:11:42,814 Speaker 2: think that we're just really prone now to needing to 220 00:11:42,894 --> 00:11:44,054 Speaker 2: prove ourselves online. 221 00:11:44,414 --> 00:11:46,934 Speaker 3: Do you think there are specific ways you've noticed social 222 00:11:47,014 --> 00:11:50,334 Speaker 3: media has changed how your generation sees things, whether that's 223 00:11:50,534 --> 00:11:52,534 Speaker 3: success or relationships or identity. 224 00:11:53,174 --> 00:11:56,414 Speaker 2: It's now measured in how many followers you have, or 225 00:11:56,734 --> 00:11:59,654 Speaker 2: how many likes you have, or how you can go 226 00:11:59,774 --> 00:12:02,934 Speaker 2: viral on TikTok. That is the success that a lot 227 00:12:02,974 --> 00:12:07,774 Speaker 2: of us are seeing because so many gen Zers work online. 228 00:12:08,334 --> 00:12:10,774 Speaker 2: So even though I have a lot of success in 229 00:12:10,814 --> 00:12:14,134 Speaker 2: my role, my role isn't in social media. My role 230 00:12:14,214 --> 00:12:17,334 Speaker 2: isn't documented online, so I'm not getting a lot of 231 00:12:17,574 --> 00:12:20,654 Speaker 2: external validation about my success. 232 00:12:20,974 --> 00:12:24,334 Speaker 3: Before we get into the gen Z theory of locking in, 233 00:12:24,694 --> 00:12:27,254 Speaker 3: I do want to know when did you first get 234 00:12:27,694 --> 00:12:30,494 Speaker 3: social media and what was the first platform, because, for example, 235 00:12:30,574 --> 00:12:32,934 Speaker 3: I can remember the first social media platform for me 236 00:12:33,094 --> 00:12:34,854 Speaker 3: was MySpace and it was when I was in year twelve. 237 00:12:34,974 --> 00:12:38,534 Speaker 3: Even is that yeah long gone. I'm so thankful that 238 00:12:38,614 --> 00:12:41,414 Speaker 3: it came in when I was in year twelve versus 239 00:12:41,454 --> 00:12:43,134 Speaker 3: growing up with it at school. So I would love 240 00:12:43,134 --> 00:12:45,694 Speaker 3: to know what your first social media platform was and 241 00:12:46,174 --> 00:12:48,414 Speaker 3: how early it was that it came into your life. 242 00:12:48,574 --> 00:12:53,374 Speaker 2: So my first social media was Instagram, and I got 243 00:12:53,414 --> 00:12:56,414 Speaker 2: Instagram when I was twelve, and my sister introduced me 244 00:12:56,454 --> 00:12:58,734 Speaker 2: to it, and so I got it. She helped me 245 00:12:58,734 --> 00:13:02,134 Speaker 2: set up my profile and I started posting obviously selfies 246 00:13:02,134 --> 00:13:04,974 Speaker 2: that I took on my iPod Touch. That's why wouldn't 247 00:13:05,014 --> 00:13:08,254 Speaker 2: you I think it was really interesting that she made 248 00:13:08,294 --> 00:13:13,174 Speaker 2: it out to be amazing platform where you could communicate 249 00:13:13,214 --> 00:13:16,854 Speaker 2: to all your friends. But we were just so blissfully 250 00:13:16,934 --> 00:13:21,774 Speaker 2: unaware of the downsides to social media and how constantly 251 00:13:22,214 --> 00:13:25,054 Speaker 2: wanting to know what our friends up to was having 252 00:13:25,254 --> 00:13:28,654 Speaker 2: negative impacts. Like for me, when I would see my 253 00:13:28,774 --> 00:13:32,014 Speaker 2: friends posting photos of them in a group like they 254 00:13:32,014 --> 00:13:34,334 Speaker 2: were out of the movies and I wasn't invited, I 255 00:13:34,334 --> 00:13:37,374 Speaker 2: would think to myself, do they not like me? Am 256 00:13:37,414 --> 00:13:39,974 Speaker 2: I not friends with them anymore? So it was really 257 00:13:40,014 --> 00:13:43,774 Speaker 2: having negative impacts from that young age. 258 00:13:43,614 --> 00:13:44,294 Speaker 3: From the get go. 259 00:13:44,494 --> 00:13:44,734 Speaker 4: Yeah. 260 00:13:45,014 --> 00:13:49,054 Speaker 3: So can you explain your understanding of locking in and 261 00:13:49,094 --> 00:13:50,974 Speaker 3: if it's something that you do, feel like you do. 262 00:13:51,534 --> 00:13:56,454 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, for me, locking in is getting rid of 263 00:13:56,694 --> 00:14:02,414 Speaker 2: any external distraction. So what I do when I lock 264 00:14:02,494 --> 00:14:07,094 Speaker 2: in is I'll get my phone and put it somewhere else. 265 00:14:07,214 --> 00:14:10,614 Speaker 2: It's like out of my eyesight, because even having my 266 00:14:10,694 --> 00:14:13,654 Speaker 2: phone here on the table right now, it's very distracting. 267 00:14:13,694 --> 00:14:16,414 Speaker 2: And I don't know why. For us, I think we 268 00:14:16,494 --> 00:14:19,014 Speaker 2: feel the need to constantly have it in our hand 269 00:14:19,254 --> 00:14:21,294 Speaker 2: or be on it, or have it close to us. 270 00:14:21,774 --> 00:14:24,534 Speaker 2: So locking in is getting rid of that distraction and 271 00:14:24,614 --> 00:14:27,854 Speaker 2: being able to set your mind on a particular task 272 00:14:28,214 --> 00:14:30,254 Speaker 2: or achievement and get that done. 273 00:14:30,574 --> 00:14:34,614 Speaker 3: Do you think there are benefits in terms of the 274 00:14:34,654 --> 00:14:37,774 Speaker 3: social challenges that you spoke about. Do you think locking 275 00:14:37,814 --> 00:14:41,494 Speaker 3: in it goes productivity into a self worth if you're 276 00:14:41,494 --> 00:14:42,454 Speaker 3: not engaging with it. 277 00:14:43,094 --> 00:14:46,894 Speaker 2: When I'm feeling really bad about myself or my self 278 00:14:47,014 --> 00:14:50,214 Speaker 2: esteem is really low, I will also lock in, so 279 00:14:50,374 --> 00:14:53,614 Speaker 2: I will mute my social media apps or just delete 280 00:14:53,614 --> 00:14:56,174 Speaker 2: them off my phone, because I don't want to go 281 00:14:56,214 --> 00:15:00,414 Speaker 2: onto social media and see someone's life that they've curated 282 00:15:00,454 --> 00:15:04,014 Speaker 2: that looks perfect and they're beautiful when I'm not feeling 283 00:15:04,254 --> 00:15:07,814 Speaker 2: beautiful and content in myself. I think it's a really 284 00:15:07,854 --> 00:15:11,814 Speaker 2: good strategy for self preser in that sense, locking in 285 00:15:11,854 --> 00:15:15,614 Speaker 2: really does help with your mental health when you're feeling 286 00:15:16,214 --> 00:15:18,654 Speaker 2: like you're not equivalent to the lives that you're seeing 287 00:15:18,694 --> 00:15:19,534 Speaker 2: on social media. 288 00:15:20,454 --> 00:15:22,694 Speaker 3: Do you think jen z are more comfortable to say 289 00:15:22,734 --> 00:15:25,734 Speaker 3: no to things or even disappearing from the feed, which 290 00:15:25,734 --> 00:15:28,974 Speaker 3: is in theory, disappearing from existence for their own wellbeing. 291 00:15:29,494 --> 00:15:33,054 Speaker 2: I think that we are actually very self aware as 292 00:15:33,094 --> 00:15:36,974 Speaker 2: a generation, and that we know when we have been 293 00:15:36,974 --> 00:15:39,414 Speaker 2: on social media for too long. I mean, our phones 294 00:15:39,414 --> 00:15:41,574 Speaker 2: will tell us we've been on our screens for nine 295 00:15:41,614 --> 00:15:44,454 Speaker 2: hours that day, and then we're like, oh, that's enough, 296 00:15:44,974 --> 00:15:48,214 Speaker 2: So I think, yes, we are in comparison to like 297 00:15:48,294 --> 00:15:51,054 Speaker 2: my mum who's on Facebook all the time. She doesn't 298 00:15:51,054 --> 00:15:52,934 Speaker 2: think about it in that sense that she's like, I've 299 00:15:52,934 --> 00:15:54,774 Speaker 2: been on my phone for too long, Maybe i should 300 00:15:54,814 --> 00:15:58,214 Speaker 2: get off my phone, because she doesn't really think about 301 00:15:58,214 --> 00:16:01,214 Speaker 2: the negative impacts that that is having on her. But 302 00:16:01,294 --> 00:16:04,334 Speaker 2: I also think that we will get off our phones 303 00:16:04,414 --> 00:16:07,134 Speaker 2: or get off social media for a certain period of 304 00:16:07,174 --> 00:16:09,414 Speaker 2: time that suits us, and then we'll go back to it, 305 00:16:10,254 --> 00:16:12,534 Speaker 2: or we'll go onto TikTok and we'll make a TikTok 306 00:16:12,534 --> 00:16:15,894 Speaker 2: about how we were just off our phones locking in 307 00:16:16,534 --> 00:16:18,974 Speaker 2: for the day because we need to hone in on 308 00:16:18,974 --> 00:16:22,414 Speaker 2: one particular task. Or I've got friends who are like, 309 00:16:22,734 --> 00:16:27,294 Speaker 2: they've spoken about locking in for getting fit, so it's 310 00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:30,974 Speaker 2: not just social media or getting rid of your phone. 311 00:16:31,574 --> 00:16:35,054 Speaker 2: It's like some of my friends will do dry July 312 00:16:35,494 --> 00:16:37,654 Speaker 2: throughout the whole year because they want to be really 313 00:16:37,694 --> 00:16:40,614 Speaker 2: fit and focus on their health, which is something I 314 00:16:40,654 --> 00:16:43,774 Speaker 2: know that also like NRL players will do. They'll lock 315 00:16:43,854 --> 00:16:47,334 Speaker 2: in for the season and just focus on getting fit 316 00:16:47,574 --> 00:16:52,534 Speaker 2: for the games. But I think it's really interesting. It's 317 00:16:52,574 --> 00:16:54,494 Speaker 2: definitely a self preservation. 318 00:16:54,134 --> 00:16:58,454 Speaker 3: Tool for us. Thanks for taking the time to feed 319 00:16:58,494 --> 00:17:00,894 Speaker 3: your mind with us today. The quickie is produced by 320 00:17:00,934 --> 00:17:04,134 Speaker 3: me Grace Ruverrey and Claire Murphy, with audio production by 321 00:17:04,214 --> 00:17:04,694 Speaker 3: Lou Hill.