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Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 3: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop

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Speaker 3: culture fix. I'm mem Burnham and I'm Laura Brodnick.

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Speaker 2: And on today's show, there is some beautiful photos of

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Speaker 2: if you actually read the interview that goes with these photos,

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Speaker 2: it is a bit of a disturbing time. So we're

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Speaker 2: going to get into that and also some more Dallas

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Speaker 2: Cowboys cheerad is news because we were rocked by some

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Speaker 2: breaking news this week.

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Speaker 1: That's not even a joke.

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Speaker 3: But first, the first Timothy shallow May is going to

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Speaker 3: be playing musician Bob Dylan in a nearby pick called

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Speaker 3: The Complete Unknown. So the trailer has just been released

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Speaker 3: and it has a huge star starded cast including el Fanning,

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Speaker 3: Timothy told GQ last year in an interview when he

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Speaker 3: was preparing for the role, he said that he took

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Speaker 3: a lot of inspiration from Austin Butler and that he

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Speaker 3: used Austin's entire Elvis team to help him prepare for

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Speaker 3: Bob Dylan. He said, I just saw the way he

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Speaker 3: committed to it all and realized I need to step

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Speaker 3: it up. This has given me like a newfound love

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Speaker 3: of Austin Butler, Like I feel like we take the

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Speaker 3: fists out of him so much of him constantly having

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Speaker 3: the Elvis voice. And he said when they were in

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Speaker 3: that's so interesting, Like he just really puts himself into

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that Timothy Chalomay took away something very

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Speaker 2: different from Austin Butler's Elvis and Oscar's campaign because everyone

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Speaker 2: else was laughing at and making jokes about him and

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Speaker 2: wings being like, this man is iconic.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do his inspiration. I'm going to do

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Speaker 2: So the interesting thing is is that Timothy Challamey is

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Speaker 2: going very hard for an Oscar nomination here because the

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Speaker 2: the end of the year's refreshing people's minds.

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Speaker 1: He's doing exactly.

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Speaker 2: What people do when they usually win their first Oscar,

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Speaker 2: which is playing a historical character, doing the whole voice

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Speaker 2: and kind of body makeover. He's ticking every box and

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, good luck. I can't wait to watch it.

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Speaker 1: My dad was.

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Speaker 3: A big Bob Dylan fan.

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Speaker 1: Was he's not anymore.

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Speaker 3: I actually don't know. We haven't heard a lot of

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Speaker 2: Still live, so we just must have Dylan. It's two

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Speaker 2: crazy guys back together, Nana. So this week we had

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Speaker 2: some breaking news in the Mamere office, very serious. We

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Speaker 2: were heading out the door to a movie premiere that

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Speaker 3: He's professional for me who worked in the news.

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Speaker 2: Also, considering there were my tickets, I'm like, good luck

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Speaker 1: You won't be able to get in.

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Speaker 2: It was literally to all I died, is like anyway,

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Speaker 2: our team noticed that on the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders official

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Speaker 2: and people were going crazy, mostly because there were two

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Speaker 2: So everyone was like, are we treating this as breaking news?

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Speaker 2: why I was in parnt of her story and she

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Speaker 3: Now and she kept it. She kept it for the

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Speaker 2: She said she was going to because she was like,

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Speaker 3: It really destroyed her though, when the phone call with

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Speaker 3: you know what, girl, go for it. Keep that hair,

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Speaker 1: Girl.

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Speaker 2: And the other new teer leader was Charlie, who had

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Speaker 3: I remember they couldn't get over how red her hair was.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I can't see a single paw on

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Speaker 2: So they have both come back auditioned and made the

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Speaker 2: disappointed in them. I know that's a controversial take, not

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Speaker 1: I watched it really quickly.

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Speaker 2: is that it's just such a different culture from here

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Speaker 2: the fact that her parents gave up everything so she

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Speaker 2: saw her come back this year, I was like, girl,

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Speaker 2: I kind of wanted you to go to go do

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Speaker 3: I did think that as well, But I think after

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: When she was like, when they told I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened, I'm like, I just like I

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Speaker 3: like exactly why she would have done it this way?

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Speaker 2: It was interesting when they when they let her know

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Speaker 2: know your time is limited when you're a dance, like

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Speaker 1: It's a skill that as your body gets older.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just there to watch a normal game.

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Speaker 2: And what I find interesting is like in the Netflix

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Speaker 3: It's like a cinematic masterpiece.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but when you're watching it from someone who's sitting

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Speaker 2: People are moving around, they're getting food, they're getting drinks.

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Speaker 2: I think the Netflix documentary made it in some cases

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Speaker 2: them and everyone's watching this dance and cheering. And if

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Speaker 2: excited to see them. But like I said, there's replays

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Speaker 2: when they're doing Thunderstruck, people are moving around like it's

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Speaker 3: So it's very culty, right, Yeah, because I feel like

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Speaker 2: I just think the first time we were introduced to her,

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Speaker 2: it was mainly through the anger people hard about her

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Speaker 2: dating Justin bieber Overslein and Groenmez because that fan was

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Speaker 2: so strong. And I just think all these years, like

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Speaker 2: a decade later, that hasn't gone away, and it's still

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Speaker 2: the main part of her story, to the fact where

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Speaker 2: even when she's like the cover star of this huge

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Speaker 2: magazine doing this article, it's like she can't talk about

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Speaker 2: her life without bringing up all the hatred she knows

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Speaker 2: people have around her.

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Speaker 1: That is it.

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Speaker 2: That's a terrible place to be, And especially because they

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Speaker 2: break up so long ago, Justin and Selena, like when

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Speaker 2: they were like teenagers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, this is embarrassing, Like these are two

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Speaker 3: grown adults who are having a child and there's like

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Speaker 3: this massive fandom who still can't get over it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. So we'll link the full W

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Speaker 2: magazine interview in our show notes. There is some other

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Speaker 2: nice stuff in there, obviously, you know, she's talking about

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Speaker 2: her relationship and that sort of stuff that obviously the

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Speaker 2: bad stuff's overwhelming, but I think you should definitely take

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Speaker 2: a time to read it because I think it really

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Speaker 2: paints a picture of where pop culture has put this woman,

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Speaker 2: and it's not all good.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today.

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Speaker 3: If you want more content from us, we always post

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Speaker 3: on our Instagram page at the Spill Podcast. We post

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Speaker 3: everything from articles to our podcast snippets in the studio

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Speaker 3: to the premieres we go to truly not over there. Also,

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Speaker 3: if you want more content about Timothy Shalloon may cancel.

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Speaker 3: Did an episode about him, led by Jesse and Claire Stephens.

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Speaker 3: It is so funny. We will link that episode in

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Speaker 3: our show notes. We will see you back here on

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Speaker 3: your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye, bye

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Speaker 2: La