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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast. Hello, Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to Mama Mia. Out Loud, It's what women are actually

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Speaker 1: talking about On Monday, the second of February. I'm Holly

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Speaker 1: wayIn right, and before we get started this weekend and

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Speaker 1: out Louder shattered my family's streams. Have I talked about this?

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Speaker 1: So this weekend it was the Berry Show, which is

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Speaker 1: a big agricultural show that happens down near where I live.

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Speaker 1: I don't live in Bery, but I live nearby.

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Speaker 2: Do people get confused and think it's a show about berries?

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Speaker 1: That's what I would think, not like local people.

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Speaker 3: Is it kind of like The East Show, but with

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Speaker 3: more like yeah, produce.

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Speaker 1: Smaller scale, but like a show like that is all

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Speaker 1: about celebrating lots of things from the land. Right, So

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Speaker 1: you've got cakes. There are lots of cakes, and there

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Speaker 1: are like vegetable stands. But then there are like in

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Speaker 1: the arena there are horse shows.

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Speaker 3: Their artworks made out of fruit. Yeah, okay, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, macaroni. But in the main part there's also like

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Speaker 1: working dog displays and lots of horse competitions and how fas,

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Speaker 1: it's really fun and it's the weekend and there's fireworks

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Speaker 1: and there's drinks and there's like it's good.

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Speaker 3: It's good times and Brent always wins the SCons.

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Speaker 1: So Brent, my elderly boyfriend, he enters the scone making

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Speaker 1: competition because he's very proud of his SCons, and he

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Speaker 1: won the first year he entered. So we went in

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Speaker 1: mashed it. Yeah, Wow, controversy because he's a man, he

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Speaker 1: was a novice.

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Speaker 3: This is how was them wrong when I said that

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Speaker 3: Brent always wins the SCons when he enters up.

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Speaker 1: Until well, last year he lost to my friend who's

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Speaker 1: also an out louder, and obviously that's caused much tension

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Speaker 1: in the yeah very but this year he was knocked out,

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Speaker 1: didn't even get a mention. Will mention it by it

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Speaker 1: out louder called Lindsay, who then posted about it in

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Speaker 1: the group, which is excellent trolling. I appreciated that. On Saturday,

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Speaker 1: we went and tracked it down at the show and

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Speaker 1: she was serving coffees to the people and the show

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Speaker 1: and she told me she had never baked scones before

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Speaker 1: in her life.

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Speaker 2: She did a Brent.

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Speaker 1: She just wanted to beat Brent, so she googled found

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Speaker 1: a good like I think recipe to Eats, maybe recipe

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Speaker 1: stuck the kids in front of the Telly how to

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Speaker 1: crack entered bang one very crowded contested market these days

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Speaker 1: that I.

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Speaker 3: Have a did you try her scones?

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Speaker 1: I did not get to try her scone? Brent would

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Speaker 1: Brent would have left me. I mean, you've never.

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Speaker 2: Given me any of brent scones for me to try it.

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Speaker 2: So I am going to say, lindsay, if you're listening,

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Speaker 2: i'd gladly, except.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I told you about the time that

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Speaker 3: no out louder like I wanted to rent a house

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Speaker 3: and an out louder came in and I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 3: I elbowed me out.

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Speaker 4: Of the way.

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Speaker 3: She was like, and then she put her application and

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Speaker 3: beade me, and I was like, bitch, I thought that

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Speaker 3: we were holding hands here and that we were giving

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Speaker 3: Jesse the house, but clearly not. How loud is there?

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Speaker 3: Your friends? Until they're competitive?

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Speaker 1: They are a talented and can ivy. What can I say? Anyway?

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Speaker 1: That's me, I'm hollywayn.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm and vernam I have something else to say

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Speaker 2: as well? What I have a pimple on my nose

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Speaker 2: that I tried to pop before this recording. So if

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Speaker 2: you're watching on YouTube, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 3: Welcome YouTube, and I'm Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 1: And on today's show, here's what's made our agenda. We

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Speaker 1: have solved one of the mysteries of our time, straight

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Speaker 1: from the horse's mouth. If that horse has a very

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Speaker 1: glossy high ponytail. Kim Kardashian has told us why they

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Speaker 1: really deleted the Harry and Meghan party picks from Christiannis

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Speaker 1: seventy plus.

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Speaker 2: There have been some photos circulating the Internet of Andrew

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Speaker 2: Mountbatten Windsor, previously known as Prince Andrew, and I have

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Speaker 3: And Margot Robbie and Jacob Alordie are fair baiting us

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Speaker 3: and if so, is that really appropriate when there's a

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Speaker 1: But first, Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 3: There was a column in The Australian over the weekend

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Speaker 3: by author Charlotte Ree called he told me not to

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Speaker 3: freeze my eggs, then he dumped me. This inspired so

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Speaker 3: much rage among women. I had lost messages about it.

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Speaker 3: I went to the comments section. It was women from

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Speaker 3: about this story, right, And a friend of mine said,

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Speaker 3: there's a term for what her partner did, and it

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Speaker 3: is called fertility. Like he is a fertility vampire.

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Speaker 1: Ooh ooh, that sounds very sinister.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so it is men who date you during your

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Speaker 3: In terms of Charlotte's story, his what happened, how she

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Speaker 3: laid it out in the column. She was living with

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Speaker 3: last year he told her not to freeze her eggs.

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Speaker 3: That's what she says in the column. He told her

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Speaker 3: end of the year he'd ended it, saying he doesn't

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Speaker 3: know if he loves her anymore and doesn't know if

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Speaker 3: he wants a baby with her. She writes, time is

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Speaker 3: generous with men who change their minds, but not so

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Speaker 3: much with women. When they had this same conversation years ago,

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Speaker 3: they'd broken up when she was about thirty two. I

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Speaker 3: think she says it was different because time has changed.

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Speaker 3: The cost her egg reserves were double what they are now,

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Speaker 3: so ending a relationship at thirty five way bigger than

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Speaker 3: wondering if it could all be too late. The comments,

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Speaker 1: Five is not too late?

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Speaker 3: Holly, what do you reckon? Does the term fertility vampire

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Speaker 3: help make sense of these sorts of men, because I

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Speaker 3: was that this almost wasn't an outlier like a lot

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Speaker 4: Look.

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Speaker 1: I thought that the column was beautiful, so beautiful. Charlotte

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Speaker 1: Lee is a really great writer. She wrote a beautiful

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Speaker 1: book about heartbreak and baking called Heartbreaker. She's a great writer,

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Speaker 1: and I'm excited that she's got a column. I loved it,

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Speaker 1: and I loved how honest it was. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know that it's helpful to give all men who are

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Speaker 1: a monster, which is what a vampire is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. But don't you reckon.

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Speaker 1: They're not allowed to change their minds. Everybody in the

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Speaker 1: it's a worse crime to not admit that you change

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Speaker 3: Okay, true, fair, And I also think thirty five better

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Speaker 3: but do you think we need to have a cultural

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Speaker 3: and when you promise her those babies, or when conversations

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Speaker 3: It's not that you owe them the babies. It's that

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Speaker 3: you owe them honesty and certainty. Because a lot of

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Speaker 3: go and let her find that person rather than waste

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Speaker 2: When I first read this, I was so angry. And

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Speaker 2: And I remember so specifically in Heartbak because I read

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Speaker 2: she's thirty five. And I think that what in general

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Speaker 2: it was something that I've noticed in myself because I've

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Speaker 2: There's been so many times I've been on a dating

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Speaker 2: app and I've seen men who are thirty nine years old,

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Speaker 2: I think I'm jealous, Like I think I'm jealous that

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Speaker 2: more embarrassed by when people ask me do you want kids?

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Speaker 2: I say I don't know, because I actually don't know.

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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking I'm getting to an age where the

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Speaker 1: I know this is really delicate territory and We have

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Speaker 1: sometimes had criticism when we talk about anything that's fertility

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Speaker 1: adjacent as people who you know, Jesse and I are

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Speaker 1: sitting here as people who do have children. I'm wary

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Speaker 1: the only reason they would be in their thirties and

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Speaker 1: dating is to lock down a baby daddy. Like that

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Speaker 1: might be true, might be true for lots of women, right,

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Speaker 1: might be true. I was a woman dating in my thirties,

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Speaker 1: and I resent that stereotype. I resent the stereotype that

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Speaker 1: you know, because there are stereotypes among men about that

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Speaker 1: or don't date women in their thirties. Oh they're all crazy.

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Speaker 1: I just think we generalize too much. I think that

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Speaker 1: what this is really about is something we touched on

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Speaker 1: a little bit on Friday Show. It's about honesty. It's

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Speaker 1: about the fact that and I've always teased you M

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Speaker 1: for like we Emm has said before that when she's

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Speaker 1: a list of questions. Yeah, do you want to get married?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to have children? I've always teached you

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Speaker 1: and been like calm down doh. But I think that

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Speaker 1: Which, as I say, if it's your top priority and

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Speaker 3: man who, as you say, has like interviewing chops and

435
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Speaker 3: has a very long career where he has built trust

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Speaker 3: with a portion of Australians that he has license to

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Speaker 3: go places that others can't. Because I remember another podcaster

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Speaker 3: I'm not even going to name her because I just

439
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Speaker 3: remember how big this blow up was. But years ago,

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Speaker 3: another podcaster interviewed Pauline Hanson on her show and got

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Speaker 3: so much blowback that she had to delete the episode

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Speaker 3: because it was platforming this person. And are you endorsing

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Speaker 3: everything they said? And you're going to do this low

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Speaker 3: ball interview and are you going to ask about this?

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Speaker 3: I mean, and maybe it's the people who listened to Carl,

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Speaker 3: but like I didn't really see that, or maybe she

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Speaker 3: doesn't care.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, Jesse. I think there's an argument

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Speaker 1: that times have shifted a little bit in terms of

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Speaker 1: Hansen because I think that the way that the Poles

451
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Speaker 1: are sitting with her and all the drama that's going

452
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Speaker 1: on on that side of politics is probably I don't know,

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Speaker 1: want to like legitimized her appearance a little bit in

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Speaker 1: that way. But having said that, we all saw during

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Speaker 1: the election last year, an enormous amount of criticism from

456
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Speaker 1: certain podcasters for having certain political figures on, and so

457
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Speaker 1: perhaps there are different rules for Carl. So somebody who

458
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Speaker 1: knows a lot more about this is our Maya. Of

459
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Speaker 1: course she knows Carl. She knows the media industry inside

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Speaker 1: and out, and she used to be on the Today

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Speaker 1: Show quite a So we talk about this with Mia.

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Speaker 1: She's laying it all out on the table, as she

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Speaker 1: does on the subs episode for tomorrow, behind the scenes info,

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Speaker 1: all the insider gossip. There's a link in the show

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Speaker 1: notes if you want to subscribe and.

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Speaker 2: Listen after the break. I have a lot of questions

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Speaker 2: about certain photos we've all been seeing over our social

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Speaker 2: media feeds over the weekend, and I had to physically

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Speaker 2: restrain from texting Amelia. She up a weekend two.

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Speaker 4: Out louders gets who don't sue. It's Mia. I'm back

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Speaker 4: with Holly and m on Tuesday. We're going to unpack

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Speaker 4: three scrollous gossip stories, including Carstefanovic's new podcast, Sydney Sweeney's

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Speaker 2: Over the weekend, you would have seen a series of

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Speaker 2: photos circulating the Internet and social media. These photos were

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Speaker 2: of Andrew mount Baden Windsor, previously known as Prince Andrew,

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Speaker 2: and they show him kneeling over an unidentified body, a

484
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Speaker 2: person who's lying on their back with his hand placed

485
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Speaker 2: on their abdomen. So we're seeing these photos now because

486
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Speaker 2: they have been released by the US Department of Justice,

487
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Speaker 2: alongside three million pages worth of information and correspondence people

488
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Speaker 2: had with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 3: I saw this come up whenever the story broke and

490
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Speaker 3: it was like three million pages. The ABC is working

491
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Speaker 3: through them, and I was like, hurry up. I just

492
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Speaker 3: want the headlines, like what one tell me who's on

493
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Speaker 3: the list, Like how many drops do we need?

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Speaker 2: So with these photos of Andrew alongside that was some

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Speaker 2: email correspondence, which included an invitation for Jeffrey Epstein to

496
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Speaker 2: dine at Buckingham Palace, and there was an offer to

497
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Speaker 2: introduce the person he was corresponding with to a twenty

498
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Speaker 2: six year old woman. The question I have is that, yes,

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Speaker 2: three million pages have been released, apparently like two thousand

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Speaker 2: videos and one hundred and eighty thousand photos. My question

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Speaker 2: is why have these four photos of Andrew been the

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Speaker 2: only ones I've actually seen circulating my feeds.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think they're probably the most salacious in terms

504
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Speaker 1: of a high profile man in this drop, and the

505
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Speaker 1: world is obsessed with the Andrews story for good reason.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, as you've said, these photos, there's a

507
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Speaker 1: many questions to be asked. Yeah, like who is that woman?

508
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mean to be named. Obviously her

509
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Speaker 1: identity is obscured, but the context of it is she okay?

510
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Speaker 1: Like none of that on the floor.

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Speaker 3: So for people who haven't seen the images, what can

512
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Speaker 3: we tell from it?

513
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Speaker 5: Like?

514
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Speaker 1: How would you just say you can tell there's a

515
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Speaker 1: young woman in casual clothes. Her face is obscured. I guess,

516
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Speaker 1: I say, how do I know that? I guess I don't.

517
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Speaker 1: She's slight, right, she's wearing casual clothes, she is not

518
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Speaker 1: undressed or anything. She's lying on the floor. She seems

519
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Speaker 1: to be very the position of her body seems to

520
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Speaker 1: be very still ecstatic. And he's on all fours on

521
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Speaker 1: the floor. And there's one where he's like looking up

522
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Speaker 1: at the camera and the flash is reflected in his eyes,

523
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Speaker 1: so it looks particularly sinister, I guess in one of

524
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Speaker 1: the pictures, and he looks, you know, maybe a little

525
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Speaker 1: glassy eyed, we could say. And there's one where he's

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Speaker 1: got his hands then on her stomach and looks like.

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Speaker 2: He's talking to her yes, and then there's also.

528
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Speaker 3: Maybe checking on her to say if she's okay.

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Speaker 1: What is definitely true is that in terms of Andrew,

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Speaker 1: it's very satisfying to just call him Andrew.

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Speaker 2: I have to say.

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Speaker 1: In terms of Andrew, this story couldn't be bigger still

533
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Speaker 1: in Britain, right, the Prime Minister of Britain had to

534
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Speaker 1: come out and comment on this and say that yes,

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Speaker 1: he thinks that Andrew should be cooperating with the US

536
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Speaker 1: Department of Justice and investigation into Epstein. Because it just

537
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Speaker 1: keeps mounting. The connections between them just keeps getting stronger,

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Speaker 1: and one has to assume that to a certain point

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Speaker 1: they knew there was going to be more coming out.

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Speaker 1: There was linking Andrew to Epstein, and this probably explains

541
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Speaker 1: more why King Charles had to take what they're calling

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Speaker 1: such drastic action as to kick him out of the

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Speaker 1: family pretty much. Of course is also the argument that

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Speaker 1: they should have done that a long time ago, so

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Speaker 1: there's that part of it. So the UK primeariston. Generally

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Speaker 1: in Britain the government doesn't comment on individual royals, right,

547
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Speaker 1: but Keir Starmer has done that. He said he thinks

548
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Speaker 1: it should definitely be cooperating. It came alongside, as you've mentioned,

549
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Speaker 1: Emma emails that appear that Epstein's arranging meetups for Andrew.

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Speaker 1: There's also an email in there from Fergie, Andrew's ex

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Speaker 1: wife that says something a bit unseemly about what one

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Speaker 1: of her daughters might be up to on a weekend away.

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Speaker 1: And so I think one of the reasons this is

554
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Speaker 1: a salacious story, particularly in Britain, but not only is

555
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Speaker 1: because it kind of pulls all these threads in of

556
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Speaker 1: like theses are they still talking to their dad? And

557
00:28:09,474 --> 00:28:13,714
Speaker 1: reports are that Beatrice is she was photographed riding with

558
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Speaker 1: him on some royal grounds recently, and Eugenie is maybe not,

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Speaker 1: although that's being disputed that she has cut him off.

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Speaker 1: So I think that that story is going to run

561
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Speaker 1: and run because it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Can you tell me what the Elon Musk thing was,

563
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Speaker 3: because I saw his name emerge.

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Speaker 1: So this is interesting because, as we've said, the DJ

565
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Speaker 1: dumped millions of documents and they're being picked through, and

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Speaker 1: there's no suggestion that simply being named in them implies

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Speaker 1: that you did anything wrong, right, But it's pulling all

568
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Speaker 1: these connections of a lot of very very rich and

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Speaker 1: powerful men, some of whom you've definitely heard of, like

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk, many of whom you wouldn't have done. Their financiers,

571
00:28:59,034 --> 00:29:02,714
Speaker 1: their find the scenes politics people, they're billionaires. And so

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Speaker 1: anybody who is being mentioned in there who we have

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Speaker 1: heard of, obviously those Headlin out. And Musk is interesting

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Speaker 1: because he has often attacked Trump about Epstein in the

575
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Speaker 1: various machinations when they've been friends and then they haven't

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Speaker 1: been friends, and Musk himself has often has always said

577
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Speaker 1: he invited me to his island, I never wanted to go.

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Speaker 1: I don't have anything to do with them, and he's

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Speaker 1: often used it as a political weapon. However, inconveniently for

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk. In November twenty twelve, Epstein sent Musk an

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Speaker 1: email asking him how many people are going to be

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Speaker 1: on your helicopter for the island, and Musk said, just

583
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Speaker 1: me and Tallula. What day or night will be.

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Speaker 2: The wildest party?

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Speaker 1: And it's this believe that Tallula is referring to his

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Speaker 1: former wife, Tallula Riley. Musk followed up with an email

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Speaker 1: on Christmas Day in response to another Epstein message, saying,

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Speaker 1: do you have any parties planned? I've been working to

589
00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:57,834
Speaker 1: the edge of sanity this year, and so once my

590
00:29:57,914 --> 00:30:00,714
Speaker 1: kids head home after Christmas, I really want to hit

591
00:30:00,754 --> 00:30:03,634
Speaker 1: the party scene in Saint Barts or elsewhere and let loose.

592
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Speaker 1: The invitation is much appreciated, but a peaceful island experience

593
00:30:07,954 --> 00:30:10,674
Speaker 1: is the opposite of what I'm looking for, he says.

594
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Speaker 1: Epstein says, understood, I will see you on Saint Bart's.

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Speaker 1: The ratio on my island might make Tallula uncomfortable, to

596
00:30:19,274 --> 00:30:22,834
Speaker 1: which Musk replies, ratio is not a problem for Tallula.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, So we're seeing that kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: coming out. There is also an email, and let's remember

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Speaker 1: that although obviously, as I've said, there's no insinuation that

600
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Speaker 1: necessarily that happened. There's no evidence that it did or

601
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Speaker 1: that anything occurred.

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Speaker 3: The mask and knew that they were underage.

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Speaker 1: No, of course, not nothing like that. But it is

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Speaker 1: worth remembering that this is twenty twelve and Epstein in

605
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight he'd already been under investigation for

606
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Speaker 1: a long time and had pled guilty to soliciting prostitution

607
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Speaker 1: from a minor. So it's not like his reputation was

608
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Speaker 1: squeaky clean and nobody knew. And so that's one of

609
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Speaker 1: the things about this is a lot of the communication,

610
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Speaker 1: while not necessarily being individually damning, it definitely shows this pattern.

611
00:31:08,314 --> 00:31:12,874
Speaker 1: And I think that's why it feels so grim, because

612
00:31:12,874 --> 00:31:15,914
Speaker 1: it seems like lots of different sides of politics, it

613
00:31:15,994 --> 00:31:18,994
Speaker 1: seems like lots of different countries. There are some Australian

614
00:31:19,074 --> 00:31:21,834
Speaker 1: names being thrown around. Again, no insinuation that they did

615
00:31:21,914 --> 00:31:24,714
Speaker 1: anything wrong. But what it does show is that Epstein

616
00:31:24,834 --> 00:31:27,274
Speaker 1: was reaching out to rich and powerful people all over

617
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Speaker 1: the world, so Twiggy Forest, Clive Palmer, Kevin Rudd and

618
00:31:32,034 --> 00:31:35,274
Speaker 1: again the emails do not show that they did anything wrong,

619
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Speaker 1: and the Australians name to have either denied or expressed

620
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Speaker 1: regret at having any interaction with Epstein at all. Of course,

621
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Speaker 1: we're not suggesting any wrongdoing by those people, but the

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Speaker 1: fact is clear that Epstein is a connector of powerful

623
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Speaker 1: people and it kind of plays into all those icky

624
00:31:52,234 --> 00:31:55,194
Speaker 1: ideas that people have always had about like the way

625
00:31:55,234 --> 00:31:59,274
Speaker 1: that people almost beyond reproach are behaving. So I think

626
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Speaker 1: all of that. It also sort of says why this

627
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Speaker 1: is so complicated to come out, Because all of these

628
00:32:04,354 --> 00:32:08,834
Speaker 1: people are very powerful, lot of legal clout and not

629
00:32:08,874 --> 00:32:10,954
Speaker 1: wanting to have their names linked with Epstein, are going

630
00:32:10,994 --> 00:32:13,394
Speaker 1: to find themselves in some capacity, whether it's just an

631
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Speaker 1: email that didn't get responded to, in these pages and

632
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Speaker 1: it's a legal absolute nightmare.

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Speaker 3: What I worry about this story is that is the

634
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Speaker 3: aim to bore us all out of it, And by

635
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Speaker 3: that I mean three million pages. There was a drop

636
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Speaker 3: a few months ago, there was new Epstein files. When

637
00:32:32,434 --> 00:32:37,074
Speaker 3: I see the words Epstein files, my brain has started

638
00:32:37,114 --> 00:32:40,194
Speaker 3: to go, can't take that on anymore because then it's

639
00:32:40,234 --> 00:32:43,714
Speaker 3: also like, is there anything to see here? Because everyone

640
00:32:43,754 --> 00:32:45,474
Speaker 3: denies things and there's.

641
00:32:45,274 --> 00:32:47,154
Speaker 2: Just like, what's going to happen next.

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00:32:46,954 --> 00:32:49,754
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I think that people want to

643
00:32:49,794 --> 00:32:54,034
Speaker 3: know what the meat of it is, who's involved, get

644
00:32:54,074 --> 00:32:56,514
Speaker 3: to the bottom of it. But ever since, i mean

645
00:32:56,554 --> 00:33:00,914
Speaker 3: Epstein being in prison and then dying, like it just

646
00:33:00,994 --> 00:33:04,034
Speaker 3: feels like there's so much we will never ever know.

647
00:33:04,834 --> 00:33:09,154
Speaker 3: Are we just going to become completely apathetic to this story?

648
00:33:09,354 --> 00:33:12,594
Speaker 3: Even though Prince Andrew in particular, every time more evidence

649
00:33:12,634 --> 00:33:14,834
Speaker 3: comes it's more and more damning, but we kind of

650
00:33:14,914 --> 00:33:16,954
Speaker 3: just go, oh, I'm done with this story.

651
00:33:17,074 --> 00:33:18,794
Speaker 1: I think there's an argument too, that there's maybe a

652
00:33:18,834 --> 00:33:21,834
Speaker 1: little bit of strategy to that, because it also anures

653
00:33:21,834 --> 00:33:24,274
Speaker 1: you to what's shocking. So there are lots of pictures

654
00:33:24,274 --> 00:33:28,514
Speaker 1: of Trump with Epstein, for example, that in other circumstances

655
00:33:28,594 --> 00:33:30,514
Speaker 1: might be damning, like they've all got their arms around

656
00:33:30,554 --> 00:33:33,434
Speaker 1: each other on planes and Milani is there and whatever,

657
00:33:33,474 --> 00:33:35,914
Speaker 1: and if you see all those a few times, that

658
00:33:36,034 --> 00:33:40,434
Speaker 1: it stops being shocking, when really it kind of still should.

659
00:33:40,634 --> 00:33:44,194
Speaker 3: And also when it's everyone, and when it is every

660
00:33:44,274 --> 00:33:47,794
Speaker 3: famous person, you kind of go, well, was it is

661
00:33:47,834 --> 00:33:51,874
Speaker 3: it everyone? Or does it make no one look responsible?

662
00:33:52,154 --> 00:33:55,554
Speaker 3: Like is there some dilution in that, some dilution of responsibility?

663
00:33:55,674 --> 00:33:58,474
Speaker 2: What was confusing to me was because these dropped when

664
00:33:58,514 --> 00:34:01,314
Speaker 2: we were on our weekend and I was with family

665
00:34:01,394 --> 00:34:03,434
Speaker 2: and friends, and for me, I'm like, this is the

666
00:34:03,474 --> 00:34:05,954
Speaker 2: biggest news story, Like this is huge. And I was

667
00:34:05,994 --> 00:34:08,074
Speaker 2: talking to everyone about it and are like, what are

668
00:34:08,074 --> 00:34:10,754
Speaker 2: you talking about? Yeah, and I was like, like three

669
00:34:10,873 --> 00:34:13,274
Speaker 2: million pages and they're like, oh, so, what's in the pages?

670
00:34:13,314 --> 00:34:14,913
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, I don't know. I have

671
00:34:14,953 --> 00:34:16,594
Speaker 2: to look like we all have to look it up now.

672
00:34:16,874 --> 00:34:19,754
Speaker 2: And I think that's why I was so confused, because

673
00:34:19,834 --> 00:34:23,033
Speaker 2: I feel like with the photos and the videos, they

674
00:34:23,074 --> 00:34:26,034
Speaker 2: seem easier to get across to people, for people to

675
00:34:26,114 --> 00:34:27,754
Speaker 2: kind of make other mind. But then when I get

676
00:34:27,794 --> 00:34:31,274
Speaker 2: to the emails, I'm like, redacted, redacted, retracted to this

677
00:34:31,314 --> 00:34:33,954
Speaker 2: person from this person, unknown names, and I'm just like

678
00:34:34,354 --> 00:34:35,794
Speaker 2: they're making it really hard.

679
00:34:35,714 --> 00:34:38,074
Speaker 3: And I don't understand why it's redacted. I don't understand

680
00:34:38,074 --> 00:34:41,434
Speaker 3: what's happening with the court case. I'm just broadly confused

681
00:34:41,474 --> 00:34:42,154
Speaker 3: by the whole thing.

682
00:34:43,594 --> 00:34:45,874
Speaker 1: One of the great mysteries of our time has been revealed,

683
00:34:45,874 --> 00:34:47,754
Speaker 1: at least we think it has.

684
00:34:47,794 --> 00:34:49,953
Speaker 3: We can always rely on the Kardashians, you know, who

685
00:34:49,954 --> 00:34:53,873
Speaker 3: doesn't leak three million pages if redacted. The Kardashians, They're like,

686
00:34:53,994 --> 00:34:55,714
Speaker 3: let me just tell you what happened, and that is

687
00:34:55,754 --> 00:34:56,554
Speaker 3: why we love them.

688
00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:58,714
Speaker 1: They just go on into this podcast. Yeah, and they

689
00:34:58,794 --> 00:34:59,194
Speaker 1: just do it.

690
00:34:59,474 --> 00:35:00,034
Speaker 3: Wold Girl.

691
00:35:00,274 --> 00:35:03,553
Speaker 1: So, speaking of competition, Chloe Kardashian has a podcast, Chloe

692
00:35:03,554 --> 00:35:04,074
Speaker 1: in Wonderland.

693
00:35:04,194 --> 00:35:07,234
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, it's Chloe in Wonderland.

694
00:35:07,354 --> 00:35:07,674
Speaker 6: Okay.

695
00:35:07,794 --> 00:35:10,393
Speaker 1: I listened to it sometimes quite revealing of the It's

696
00:35:10,394 --> 00:35:15,674
Speaker 1: definitely one of those like name generated like anyway, Kim

697
00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:19,393
Speaker 1: went on it and Chloe asked her about the infamous

698
00:35:19,994 --> 00:35:22,634
Speaker 1: taking down of the Harry and Meghan pictures, just for context.

699
00:35:22,674 --> 00:35:24,473
Speaker 1: If you don't remember how, I don't know what you've

700
00:35:24,514 --> 00:35:26,433
Speaker 1: been doing with your life, if this isn't etched into

701
00:35:26,474 --> 00:35:26,794
Speaker 1: your brain.

702
00:35:26,834 --> 00:35:30,194
Speaker 3: I think we managed to extend this story over two

703
00:35:30,274 --> 00:35:32,954
Speaker 3: episodes out loud because we were so excited by it.

704
00:35:32,994 --> 00:35:35,754
Speaker 1: I think we did. In November last year, Chris Jenner

705
00:35:35,794 --> 00:35:39,074
Speaker 1: turned seventy. That's a whole other thing. Her face didn't,

706
00:35:39,114 --> 00:35:42,154
Speaker 1: but she did turn seventy and she had a massive

707
00:35:42,234 --> 00:35:46,314
Speaker 1: James Bond themed party and every single powerful, speaking of

708
00:35:46,314 --> 00:35:50,234
Speaker 1: powerful people, everybody was at that party, from Mark Zuckerberg

709
00:35:50,274 --> 00:35:52,714
Speaker 1: and Bill Gates down like everybody.

710
00:35:52,834 --> 00:35:53,914
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos hosted.

711
00:35:54,074 --> 00:35:56,993
Speaker 1: It was at his house, him and Lauren's house, which

712
00:35:57,034 --> 00:35:59,714
Speaker 1: I one day we'll find out what the Kardashians have

713
00:35:59,714 --> 00:36:03,354
Speaker 1: on everybody. But anyway, anyway, Harry and Meghan went. Then

714
00:36:03,434 --> 00:36:06,514
Speaker 1: infamously the pictures of them that Chris and Kim posted

715
00:36:06,754 --> 00:36:07,554
Speaker 1: were removed.

716
00:36:07,674 --> 00:36:09,873
Speaker 3: They were in a carousel, they were looking happy to

717
00:36:09,914 --> 00:36:11,594
Speaker 3: be there, and then boom.

718
00:36:11,314 --> 00:36:13,434
Speaker 2: Yeh hashtag photo gate ye.

719
00:36:13,674 --> 00:36:16,474
Speaker 1: Rumors were that there was a leaks from Harry and

720
00:36:16,474 --> 00:36:18,594
Speaker 1: Meghan's side that said that there was some form that

721
00:36:18,634 --> 00:36:20,114
Speaker 1: they didn't take a box.

722
00:36:20,194 --> 00:36:22,714
Speaker 2: Which is a great idea. If anything, I took ideas

723
00:36:22,714 --> 00:36:24,954
Speaker 2: from this. Yeah, if you want to post photos of

724
00:36:24,994 --> 00:36:27,194
Speaker 2: all your friends, get them to do a form beforehand.

725
00:36:26,874 --> 00:36:31,154
Speaker 1: Exactly a total release form. And then Christianna side said

726
00:36:31,154 --> 00:36:33,074
Speaker 1: that's silly. We don't do forms. Who do you think

727
00:36:33,114 --> 00:36:35,514
Speaker 1: we are? Anyway, Kim cleared it up.

728
00:36:35,514 --> 00:36:39,874
Speaker 7: Here we go, Meghan marcle oh the photo the photo

729
00:36:40,194 --> 00:36:43,953
Speaker 7: photo gate from Mom's sex It was really innocent, which

730
00:36:43,994 --> 00:36:46,874
Speaker 7: is so crazy. Mom and Meghan have been friends for

731
00:36:46,954 --> 00:36:50,034
Speaker 7: some years now and they have a really sweet relationship.

732
00:36:50,594 --> 00:36:53,274
Speaker 7: We took a photo and then I think we were

733
00:36:53,314 --> 00:36:56,794
Speaker 7: all going through them we're all, you know, communicating about

734
00:36:56,794 --> 00:36:59,794
Speaker 7: like what we're going to post. We're never ones to

735
00:36:59,994 --> 00:37:04,114
Speaker 7: post without permission. We are, like, it's not who we are,

736
00:37:04,194 --> 00:37:07,913
Speaker 7: very respectful. Yeah, like we have photo We have the craziest,

737
00:37:07,954 --> 00:37:10,194
Speaker 7: funnest photos from that night, you know, but we were

738
00:37:10,234 --> 00:37:16,274
Speaker 7: posting just like fun photos and so we were totally

739
00:37:17,474 --> 00:37:20,553
Speaker 7: you know, we were told that it was totally cool

740
00:37:20,634 --> 00:37:23,033
Speaker 7: to post. And then after it was posted, I think

741
00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:26,754
Speaker 7: they realized it was Remembrance Day and they didn't want

742
00:37:26,794 --> 00:37:29,714
Speaker 7: to be seen at a party even though it's already up,

743
00:37:30,874 --> 00:37:32,834
Speaker 7: you know, and then taken down, and then I think

744
00:37:32,834 --> 00:37:35,594
Speaker 7: they realized, like, ah, so they were annoyed.

745
00:37:35,754 --> 00:37:38,073
Speaker 3: They were so annoyed that they got asked to delay.

746
00:37:38,154 --> 00:37:41,554
Speaker 1: They really were, so to be clear, the party itself

747
00:37:41,754 --> 00:37:45,393
Speaker 1: was on Saturday, November the eighth, and Remembrance Day is

748
00:37:45,434 --> 00:37:47,074
Speaker 1: Sunday obviously November the.

749
00:37:47,114 --> 00:37:49,433
Speaker 3: Ninth, and they'd been to a charity event.

750
00:37:49,794 --> 00:37:52,514
Speaker 1: They'd been to a charity event before, and Harry was

751
00:37:52,554 --> 00:37:56,194
Speaker 1: wearing his poppy, so he knew. It's interesting because one

752
00:37:56,234 --> 00:37:58,473
Speaker 1: thing this tells you about them, which we I guess

753
00:37:58,514 --> 00:38:01,394
Speaker 1: we knew, but they're very concerned about the global optics

754
00:38:01,394 --> 00:38:04,714
Speaker 1: of what they're up to. Harry knew that Remembrance Day

755
00:38:05,034 --> 00:38:07,354
Speaker 1: in Britain and time difference and all those things would

756
00:38:07,354 --> 00:38:10,754
Speaker 1: be handing the tabloids a story on a plate to

757
00:38:10,794 --> 00:38:13,794
Speaker 1: be like, here's a picture of William looking really solemn

758
00:38:13,874 --> 00:38:16,674
Speaker 1: at a Remembrance Day church service, and here's a picture

759
00:38:16,714 --> 00:38:20,754
Speaker 1: of Harry with his arms around christ Jenna. They knew

760
00:38:20,794 --> 00:38:22,954
Speaker 1: that would be a story much.

761
00:38:22,834 --> 00:38:26,434
Speaker 3: More incriminating to because we all know he's already gone.

762
00:38:26,594 --> 00:38:30,714
Speaker 3: We know it's a Kardashians. It's not some random's Instagram account.

763
00:38:31,114 --> 00:38:32,754
Speaker 3: We had screenshots.

764
00:38:33,394 --> 00:38:36,754
Speaker 1: Do you not think am I just being uncharitable to

765
00:38:36,834 --> 00:38:40,114
Speaker 1: suggest that if you do not want the world to

766
00:38:40,114 --> 00:38:43,514
Speaker 1: see you partying with the Kardashians on Remembrance Day, Eve,

767
00:38:44,154 --> 00:38:47,034
Speaker 1: don't go and party with the Kardashians on Remember's Day?

768
00:38:47,074 --> 00:38:47,314
Speaker 4: Eve?

769
00:38:47,354 --> 00:38:48,074
Speaker 1: Am my naive?

770
00:38:48,394 --> 00:38:51,433
Speaker 3: Yes? You are naive? Okay, who among us has not

771
00:38:51,474 --> 00:38:53,234
Speaker 3: had a drink and forgotten that we weren't meant to

772
00:38:53,234 --> 00:38:57,074
Speaker 3: be at this time and then maybe had a moment

773
00:38:57,114 --> 00:38:59,234
Speaker 3: where we've gone. Oh, I think I told a white

774
00:38:59,274 --> 00:39:02,634
Speaker 3: lie in order to be here. I said I was sick,

775
00:39:02,754 --> 00:39:04,754
Speaker 3: or I said I could be here, and I've ended

776
00:39:04,834 --> 00:39:07,433
Speaker 3: up here. I reckon. There have been a full of

777
00:39:07,434 --> 00:39:09,594
Speaker 3: times where I've sent the message and gone, hey, no

778
00:39:09,674 --> 00:39:12,393
Speaker 3: pics from that night. I can't be there because I

779
00:39:12,394 --> 00:39:13,354
Speaker 3: was meant to be somewhere else.

780
00:39:13,674 --> 00:39:17,194
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've done the whole accidentally post an

781
00:39:17,234 --> 00:39:19,834
Speaker 2: Instagram story and I've got messages going. I thought you

782
00:39:19,834 --> 00:39:21,354
Speaker 2: said you were busy tonight and I was like, oh,

783
00:39:21,434 --> 00:39:22,794
Speaker 2: this was from a few nights.

784
00:39:22,634 --> 00:39:24,154
Speaker 1: Ago, so we could have done that.

785
00:39:24,674 --> 00:39:26,754
Speaker 2: You can changed the whole narrative and like her birthday

786
00:39:26,794 --> 00:39:29,394
Speaker 2: was actually last weekend and they just posted the photos.

787
00:39:29,434 --> 00:39:31,073
Speaker 3: Now. Yeah, so true, so true.

788
00:39:31,114 --> 00:39:34,393
Speaker 1: All of Hollywood does not know when Christian's birthdays. It

789
00:39:34,434 --> 00:39:35,954
Speaker 1: makes them look a bit silly.

790
00:39:36,074 --> 00:39:38,473
Speaker 2: I would never ask have the photos taken down, though,

791
00:39:38,514 --> 00:39:39,074
Speaker 2: that's way.

792
00:39:38,914 --> 00:39:40,794
Speaker 3: Till's messed with someone's carousel.

793
00:39:40,954 --> 00:39:41,954
Speaker 2: No you can't.

794
00:39:42,074 --> 00:39:44,154
Speaker 3: Someone was off. Now you have like two.

795
00:39:43,994 --> 00:39:46,393
Speaker 2: Photos of Kim's side by side. It's meant to be

796
00:39:46,434 --> 00:39:48,154
Speaker 2: like a daughter per different side.

797
00:39:48,354 --> 00:39:49,794
Speaker 3: It's oh no, no, no.

798
00:39:49,634 --> 00:39:52,434
Speaker 1: I need to see the rest of the pictures because

799
00:39:52,474 --> 00:39:55,594
Speaker 1: what Kim did. They're they're so savvy, those Kardashian's right,

800
00:39:55,794 --> 00:39:57,794
Speaker 1: is that what Kim did? Though, as she said, mate,

801
00:39:57,874 --> 00:40:01,714
Speaker 1: we have got the wildest pictures from this night, so

802
00:40:01,834 --> 00:40:02,674
Speaker 1: don't fuck with us.

803
00:40:04,394 --> 00:40:07,913
Speaker 3: We can release them. And that poppy came off Harry poppyca.

804
00:40:08,274 --> 00:40:09,314
Speaker 2: He did the worm on the dance.

805
00:40:13,514 --> 00:40:16,234
Speaker 3: There was something else in that that I just want

806
00:40:16,314 --> 00:40:19,914
Speaker 3: to put my finger on the way that Kim said,

807
00:40:20,594 --> 00:40:24,114
Speaker 3: Mum and Meghan have been friends for years, right, It

808
00:40:24,194 --> 00:40:26,194
Speaker 3: was just have a sweet relation and they have a

809
00:40:26,234 --> 00:40:31,034
Speaker 3: sweet relationship. She didn't say we're family friends. She didn't

810
00:40:31,074 --> 00:40:35,393
Speaker 3: say Meghan frages, she didn't say anything like that. She said, yeah,

811
00:40:35,434 --> 00:40:36,834
Speaker 3: that's one of my mum's friends.

812
00:40:37,554 --> 00:40:44,634
Speaker 1: Is it a dice? I just have questions about how

813
00:40:44,834 --> 00:40:48,274
Speaker 1: christ Jenna and Meghan mar call are friends, Like that's wild.

814
00:40:48,594 --> 00:40:50,953
Speaker 1: And also maybe Kim still pissed that if indeed they

815
00:40:50,994 --> 00:40:52,834
Speaker 1: have been friends for years, where was her invite to

816
00:40:52,874 --> 00:40:54,594
Speaker 1: that wedding like they would have liked to have been

817
00:40:54,634 --> 00:40:59,394
Speaker 1: at that oh so true. Also strikes me as incredibly

818
00:40:59,554 --> 00:41:02,433
Speaker 1: naive of Harry and Megan to have thought that just

819
00:41:02,634 --> 00:41:05,194
Speaker 1: calling your mate and saying, could you take those pictures down?

820
00:41:05,874 --> 00:41:08,594
Speaker 1: Like again, Jesse, if that's me or you and we're

821
00:41:08,674 --> 00:41:11,393
Speaker 1: just like we said, we're at our nun's birthday, Yeah,

822
00:41:11,594 --> 00:41:15,714
Speaker 1: like no big deal, But these are the Kardashians. They've

823
00:41:15,714 --> 00:41:19,154
Speaker 1: got millions and half the world follows these people. No

824
00:41:19,194 --> 00:41:21,234
Speaker 1: one was going to notice that the pictures of him

825
00:41:21,234 --> 00:41:23,314
Speaker 1: and megsonally disappeared.

826
00:41:23,834 --> 00:41:26,394
Speaker 3: And you know in that chat, they're just going everyone's

827
00:41:26,394 --> 00:41:28,234
Speaker 3: already seen them. What are you talking about? And that

828
00:41:28,314 --> 00:41:30,714
Speaker 3: it was just Push and Paul and you just know

829
00:41:30,754 --> 00:41:31,473
Speaker 3: they're not hanging out.

830
00:41:31,514 --> 00:41:34,914
Speaker 2: Also, Instagram again at fault because before there wasn't a

831
00:41:34,954 --> 00:41:37,554
Speaker 2: feature where you could delete certain photos from a carousel,

832
00:41:37,994 --> 00:41:42,434
Speaker 2: and you can, can you Before you couldn't to delete

833
00:41:42,474 --> 00:41:44,954
Speaker 2: the whole thing. You couldn't just select random photos.

834
00:41:44,994 --> 00:41:46,314
Speaker 1: That's because of Harry and Megan.

835
00:41:46,474 --> 00:41:48,794
Speaker 3: They probably party.

836
00:41:49,154 --> 00:41:53,194
Speaker 1: They oh my god, he was at the party.

837
00:41:53,274 --> 00:41:55,634
Speaker 3: When you change the feature for us, we need a hand.

838
00:41:56,794 --> 00:41:59,834
Speaker 3: After the break, allow me to present to you everything

839
00:41:59,954 --> 00:42:03,433
Speaker 3: Jacob Alordie and Margo Robbie have said about each other

840
00:42:03,714 --> 00:42:06,114
Speaker 3: over the last few weeks. And I need to talk

841
00:42:06,514 --> 00:42:09,234
Speaker 3: about weather. We are being tricked.

842
00:42:16,914 --> 00:42:17,194
Speaker 4: Jesse.

843
00:42:17,274 --> 00:42:19,554
Speaker 3: I'm so excited about this topic too.

844
00:42:20,114 --> 00:42:23,234
Speaker 1: I can't can barely contain my excitement at the Wuthering

845
00:42:23,274 --> 00:42:24,913
Speaker 1: heightsness coming our way.

846
00:42:25,274 --> 00:42:27,514
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely ramping up, but you're.

847
00:42:27,234 --> 00:42:29,474
Speaker 2: You say, more obsessed than most people.

848
00:42:29,594 --> 00:42:32,594
Speaker 1: I think I am. I think I've been like on

849
00:42:32,634 --> 00:42:36,033
Speaker 1: the record as saying, no, that's ridiculous. What do you mean,

850
00:42:36,074 --> 00:42:39,234
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie is Kathy back in the day to now

851
00:42:39,274 --> 00:42:41,114
Speaker 1: being like released the movie.

852
00:42:42,634 --> 00:42:43,913
Speaker 5: I need to say.

853
00:42:43,634 --> 00:42:47,314
Speaker 3: It because Holly has decided that it's an artistic reimagining

854
00:42:47,754 --> 00:42:49,314
Speaker 3: and it's a masterpiece.

855
00:42:48,874 --> 00:42:49,674
Speaker 2: And you're gonna love it.

856
00:42:49,714 --> 00:42:51,754
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet, and you've reread.

857
00:42:51,434 --> 00:42:52,953
Speaker 2: The book recently read the book.

858
00:42:52,994 --> 00:42:54,514
Speaker 1: Have you pictured those two.

859
00:42:54,394 --> 00:42:55,913
Speaker 2: In your head when you're rereading it?

860
00:42:56,154 --> 00:42:59,114
Speaker 1: No? Not really, It is tricky to do that. But

861
00:42:59,594 --> 00:43:03,393
Speaker 1: Emerald Fanell, who you know is a talented woman, has

862
00:43:03,474 --> 00:43:05,593
Speaker 1: said this is such a good get out of jail

863
00:43:05,594 --> 00:43:08,873
Speaker 1: free card for like a adapting something. She said, no, no, no,

864
00:43:08,914 --> 00:43:10,993
Speaker 1: I haven't made a movie of the book. I've made

865
00:43:11,034 --> 00:43:13,473
Speaker 1: a movie of my memories of the book from when

866
00:43:13,474 --> 00:43:14,194
Speaker 1: I was fourteen.

867
00:43:14,234 --> 00:43:15,433
Speaker 2: I'm like, that is she.

868
00:43:15,634 --> 00:43:16,234
Speaker 3: That is great?

869
00:43:16,394 --> 00:43:17,994
Speaker 2: No one can be using that forever.

870
00:43:18,034 --> 00:43:21,994
Speaker 3: And so the actual movie comes out Feb twelve. Holly

871
00:43:22,034 --> 00:43:25,354
Speaker 3: and I not um are going to be in a

872
00:43:25,474 --> 00:43:29,474
Speaker 3: room with jacober LORDI and Marco Robbie in like a

873
00:43:29,514 --> 00:43:32,154
Speaker 3: week from there. I'm so excited and we are going

874
00:43:32,234 --> 00:43:33,834
Speaker 3: to be able to see in real time if they're

875
00:43:33,874 --> 00:43:36,873
Speaker 3: humping in the dark, right, because there are rumors that

876
00:43:36,914 --> 00:43:39,714
Speaker 3: they're humping in the dark. Okay, please, So the question

877
00:43:39,834 --> 00:43:42,954
Speaker 3: is have we fallen victim to the Jacob Lordie Margo

878
00:43:43,034 --> 00:43:46,674
Speaker 3: Robbie affair bait? And are we annoyed or are we titillated?

879
00:43:46,794 --> 00:43:50,474
Speaker 3: Or are we both? So the releases around the corner

880
00:43:50,594 --> 00:43:54,873
Speaker 3: and the press tour is well and truly underway. And

881
00:43:55,474 --> 00:43:59,073
Speaker 3: if your job was to make sure that the whole

882
00:43:59,114 --> 00:44:01,473
Speaker 3: world is talking about the chemistry between these two, you'd

883
00:44:01,474 --> 00:44:04,434
Speaker 3: be laughing. You're doing a brilliant, brilliant job. You deserve

884
00:44:04,434 --> 00:44:07,473
Speaker 3: a pay rise. In the first interviews that they did,

885
00:44:07,514 --> 00:44:09,874
Speaker 3: both actors talked about each other with like an enormous

886
00:44:09,874 --> 00:44:13,874
Speaker 3: amount of emotion. They got matching rings that they're both wearing.

887
00:44:14,274 --> 00:44:17,354
Speaker 3: They claim they're codependent and a Lordie said that they

888
00:44:17,394 --> 00:44:20,754
Speaker 3: have a mutual obsession with each other. It's because I

889
00:44:20,874 --> 00:44:25,234
Speaker 3: both all and from Brisbane. Yeah, from Queensland. I feel

890
00:44:25,234 --> 00:44:27,074
Speaker 3: like that's an important point. I kind of love that

891
00:44:27,114 --> 00:44:28,914
Speaker 3: two others are just like in the biggest movie of

892
00:44:28,954 --> 00:44:32,274
Speaker 3: the year, he said, I think the thing is regardless

893
00:44:32,274 --> 00:44:34,514
Speaker 3: of plot or screenplay, if you have the opportunity to

894
00:44:34,594 --> 00:44:36,714
Speaker 3: share a film set with Margot Robbie. You're going to

895
00:44:36,794 --> 00:44:39,354
Speaker 3: make sure you're within five to ten meters at all times,

896
00:44:39,754 --> 00:44:42,314
Speaker 3: watching how she drinks tea, how she eats her food,

897
00:44:42,434 --> 00:44:45,114
Speaker 3: how she does it. When is it going to slip?

898
00:44:45,514 --> 00:44:48,634
Speaker 3: When is the thing going to come undone? And it

899
00:44:48,714 --> 00:44:50,354
Speaker 3: never comes undone.

900
00:44:50,554 --> 00:44:52,953
Speaker 2: In another interview, I don't think a man's ever said

901
00:44:52,954 --> 00:44:53,873
Speaker 2: anything like that about me.

902
00:44:53,994 --> 00:44:55,274
Speaker 1: I was going to say, do you think people talk

903
00:44:55,314 --> 00:44:55,994
Speaker 1: about us like that?

904
00:44:56,114 --> 00:44:56,354
Speaker 3: Yeah?

905
00:44:56,434 --> 00:44:59,274
Speaker 1: I just want to see how Jesse drinks her tea, and.

906
00:44:59,234 --> 00:45:00,554
Speaker 3: I don't drink it. I just want to see how

907
00:45:00,594 --> 00:45:01,754
Speaker 3: Jesse drinks her pepsy.

908
00:45:01,554 --> 00:45:06,194
Speaker 1: Exactly through a straw. We all know that.

909
00:45:07,434 --> 00:45:10,594
Speaker 3: In another interview, a Lordie said she can raise a baby,

910
00:45:10,634 --> 00:45:13,194
Speaker 3: shoot a movie, produce for others, and still meet for

911
00:45:13,234 --> 00:45:13,553
Speaker 3: a beer.

912
00:45:14,154 --> 00:45:17,354
Speaker 1: Okay, so I have issues with that quote. Can I

913
00:45:17,474 --> 00:45:21,474
Speaker 1: just sidebar a little bit? Margot Robbie. I am in

914
00:45:21,514 --> 00:45:23,754
Speaker 1: awe of that woman, Like she is amazing. She's such

915
00:45:23,794 --> 00:45:27,674
Speaker 1: a good actress, and she's also a powerhouse who produced

916
00:45:27,714 --> 00:45:30,873
Speaker 1: these incredible movies. She's obviously an amazing business woman. She

917
00:45:30,954 --> 00:45:33,314
Speaker 1: promotes the shit out of everything that she makes. She

918
00:45:33,474 --> 00:45:37,474
Speaker 1: is a class act, no question, But that quote really

919
00:45:37,514 --> 00:45:39,553
Speaker 1: rubbed me up. It reminded me of the whole cool

920
00:45:39,594 --> 00:45:42,554
Speaker 1: girl thing, you know, the cool girlness of like what

921
00:45:42,674 --> 00:45:46,794
Speaker 1: everybody wants is a woman who can you know, she's a.

922
00:45:47,354 --> 00:45:50,234
Speaker 3: She's a hot dog, but she never puts on exactly.

923
00:45:50,474 --> 00:45:52,474
Speaker 1: She can shoot pull with the boys, but she can

924
00:45:52,554 --> 00:45:54,913
Speaker 1: also bake a cake. And she went, do you think

925
00:45:54,914 --> 00:45:59,114
Speaker 1: that Margot Robbie is the modern like perfect woman in

926
00:45:59,114 --> 00:46:02,794
Speaker 1: inverted commas? She looks like Barbie smart as a whip,

927
00:46:02,834 --> 00:46:05,354
Speaker 1: no question. Clearly is a good time, likes to drink

928
00:46:05,354 --> 00:46:09,274
Speaker 1: a beer. Are we just being with an unattainable is

929
00:46:09,314 --> 00:46:11,274
Speaker 1: the cool girl? Yes? Things just going high and high

930
00:46:11,314 --> 00:46:11,873
Speaker 1: and do we care?

931
00:46:12,114 --> 00:46:14,473
Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely. I think she is the new cool girl,

932
00:46:14,474 --> 00:46:18,074
Speaker 3: and she's the fact she's had a baby, but that's

933
00:46:18,274 --> 00:46:22,594
Speaker 3: not become her whole identity or that's become something that

934
00:46:22,994 --> 00:46:26,514
Speaker 3: she keeps working and she just and like, you know,

935
00:46:26,674 --> 00:46:29,953
Speaker 3: good on so many women do. But the fact that

936
00:46:30,394 --> 00:46:34,794
Speaker 3: she still gives everything to press to us and she's

937
00:46:34,914 --> 00:46:37,234
Speaker 3: not playing a mom and all that kind of stuff.

938
00:46:37,314 --> 00:46:40,034
Speaker 3: I think that that's almost a bit of a blueprint

939
00:46:40,074 --> 00:46:44,154
Speaker 3: for how to keep the momentum of your career going

940
00:46:44,514 --> 00:46:47,554
Speaker 3: after having a baby. It's like she's looked at like mumsy,

941
00:46:47,834 --> 00:46:49,554
Speaker 3: and she's gone, I will never be mumsy.

942
00:46:49,634 --> 00:46:52,594
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what I like about her, because

943
00:46:52,594 --> 00:46:54,834
Speaker 2: I do think she's very cool, she's very cool, is

944
00:46:54,874 --> 00:46:58,314
Speaker 2: that I don't hear about her all the time, and

945
00:46:58,354 --> 00:46:58,754
Speaker 2: I like.

946
00:46:58,714 --> 00:47:00,433
Speaker 1: That you only hear about her when she wants you

947
00:47:00,474 --> 00:47:01,154
Speaker 1: to hear about her.

948
00:47:01,194 --> 00:47:01,433
Speaker 2: Yeah.

949
00:47:01,674 --> 00:47:03,874
Speaker 3: Like I had to regoogle the name of her husband

950
00:47:04,354 --> 00:47:07,074
Speaker 3: because they're not front and center, like she's stripped.

951
00:47:07,634 --> 00:47:10,513
Speaker 1: So back to the affair room as Jesse. I saw

952
00:47:10,514 --> 00:47:13,674
Speaker 1: some headlines that were like, they have a bizarre obsession.

953
00:47:13,714 --> 00:47:16,674
Speaker 1: As we've discussed that Tom Ackley, who's the husband, who

954
00:47:16,754 --> 00:47:18,954
Speaker 1: is Let's be clear, he was one of the producers

955
00:47:18,994 --> 00:47:20,473
Speaker 1: of this movie. It's not like he's sitting at her

956
00:47:20,594 --> 00:47:22,594
Speaker 1: while she's making out with Jacob a Laurd.

957
00:47:22,714 --> 00:47:23,154
Speaker 3: He was there.

958
00:47:23,274 --> 00:47:25,993
Speaker 1: He was there. He benefits from it in every way

959
00:47:26,034 --> 00:47:28,514
Speaker 1: because it's also his career and that could just be

960
00:47:28,594 --> 00:47:31,234
Speaker 1: something he's into. I've seen it described as a fair

961
00:47:31,394 --> 00:47:36,033
Speaker 1: bait because they want us to believe that maybe there

962
00:47:36,114 --> 00:47:38,474
Speaker 1: was more between them. But then I've seen other headlines

963
00:47:38,514 --> 00:47:41,473
Speaker 1: saying that's so distasteful and wrong. She's a married mother,

964
00:47:41,554 --> 00:47:44,754
Speaker 1: and she shouldn't be debated. Are we being a fair baited?

965
00:47:44,834 --> 00:47:48,994
Speaker 3: Do you think let's listen to some of the interviews

966
00:47:49,394 --> 00:47:51,913
Speaker 3: and then will decide whether we reckon, we're being a

967
00:47:51,954 --> 00:47:53,754
Speaker 3: fair baiting or if it's just our own fantasy.

968
00:47:54,234 --> 00:47:56,794
Speaker 2: Another bit where it's raining, and then he goes in conversation,

969
00:47:58,594 --> 00:47:59,354
Speaker 2: I was wondering.

970
00:47:59,634 --> 00:48:02,393
Speaker 6: I was like, do you know how that happened though?

971
00:48:02,514 --> 00:48:04,474
Speaker 6: Is we went to rehearse it, and they rehearsed it

972
00:48:04,514 --> 00:48:06,714
Speaker 6: with the rain machines because we're checking out the rainy

973
00:48:06,714 --> 00:48:09,714
Speaker 6: machine level was right, and I was going like that

974
00:48:09,754 --> 00:48:12,194
Speaker 6: because the rain had started. And of course when you're

975
00:48:12,274 --> 00:48:14,274
Speaker 6: looking at when you're acting with Jacob, you like looking

976
00:48:14,314 --> 00:48:16,554
Speaker 6: up like this. But I went, I went like that,

977
00:48:16,674 --> 00:48:19,314
Speaker 6: and he just automatically went to cover my face because

978
00:48:19,314 --> 00:48:21,513
Speaker 6: he's a gentleman and it's just like that's the second

979
00:48:21,594 --> 00:48:23,953
Speaker 6: nature to him. He just automatically went like that, and

980
00:48:23,994 --> 00:48:26,674
Speaker 6: he was not aware that he had done anything chivalrous

981
00:48:26,874 --> 00:48:29,234
Speaker 6: or romantic at all, and we were just like that

982
00:48:29,354 --> 00:48:32,473
Speaker 6: was one of the most romantic things I've ever experienced.

983
00:48:32,674 --> 00:48:34,674
Speaker 5: I mean, I've always she's always been on my list

984
00:48:34,714 --> 00:48:37,354
Speaker 5: of you know, the great so so I kind of

985
00:48:37,394 --> 00:48:40,234
Speaker 5: expected her to be excellent, and she was as as

986
00:48:40,314 --> 00:48:44,393
Speaker 5: a human being and as an artist's she's the truthful package.

987
00:48:44,514 --> 00:48:46,994
Speaker 6: And then on the third day, I remember I started

988
00:48:46,994 --> 00:48:49,794
Speaker 6: I found myself starting to look around to see where.

989
00:48:49,834 --> 00:48:51,594
Speaker 6: I was like, well, he's obviously going to be somewhere

990
00:48:51,594 --> 00:48:53,714
Speaker 6: close by. Where is he right now, because he's not

991
00:48:53,754 --> 00:48:55,314
Speaker 6: in the corner of a room watching me right now?

992
00:48:55,674 --> 00:48:57,554
Speaker 6: And then I was he wasn't, and I was really

993
00:48:57,994 --> 00:49:01,953
Speaker 6: unnerved and unmoored, and I felt like quite lost, like

994
00:49:02,314 --> 00:49:04,754
Speaker 6: like a kid without their like blanket or something.

995
00:49:04,794 --> 00:49:06,474
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, where is he?

996
00:49:06,514 --> 00:49:07,034
Speaker 4: And I did.

997
00:49:07,194 --> 00:49:08,994
Speaker 6: I was like, so, Jacob, where is Jacob right now?

998
00:49:09,034 --> 00:49:10,794
Speaker 6: And You're like, he's just doing a costume change. It's

999
00:49:10,834 --> 00:49:13,354
Speaker 6: not a big deal. But I found myself so dependent,

1000
00:49:13,634 --> 00:49:14,874
Speaker 6: like codependent kind.

1001
00:49:14,674 --> 00:49:17,194
Speaker 5: Of regardless of plot or screenplay, if you have the

1002
00:49:17,234 --> 00:49:21,513
Speaker 5: opportunity to share a film set with Margot Robbie, you're

1003
00:49:21,554 --> 00:49:23,714
Speaker 5: going to make sure you're within five to ten meters

1004
00:49:23,714 --> 00:49:26,634
Speaker 5: at all times, watching how she drinks tea, how she

1005
00:49:26,674 --> 00:49:29,354
Speaker 5: eats her food, how she does it, When is it

1006
00:49:29,354 --> 00:49:31,194
Speaker 5: going to slip? When is the thing going to come undone?

1007
00:49:31,194 --> 00:49:35,074
Speaker 5: And it never comes undone. She's just like an elite

1008
00:49:35,674 --> 00:49:39,074
Speaker 5: actor and she's producing the movie, you know. So I

1009
00:49:39,074 --> 00:49:42,114
Speaker 5: don't know how somebody has the skill and the wisdom

1010
00:49:42,154 --> 00:49:43,954
Speaker 5: to do that as a performer and to give the

1011
00:49:43,954 --> 00:49:44,913
Speaker 5: performance that she gave.

1012
00:49:44,994 --> 00:49:47,754
Speaker 3: But I was I was enamored, Okay, enamored.

1013
00:49:47,914 --> 00:49:50,754
Speaker 1: Do you know making the pit? Yes? I do. I definitely.

1014
00:49:50,954 --> 00:49:52,913
Speaker 1: I don't think for a second that they are having

1015
00:49:52,954 --> 00:49:57,194
Speaker 1: an affair. I think what's very clever is that Heathcliff

1016
00:49:57,394 --> 00:50:01,554
Speaker 1: and Kathy are doomed lovers who cannot be together. So

1017
00:50:01,634 --> 00:50:03,834
Speaker 1: if you look at this from the meta thing, wouldn't

1018
00:50:03,834 --> 00:50:06,114
Speaker 1: it be clever from a pr perspective to be not

1019
00:50:06,194 --> 00:50:08,634
Speaker 1: only like we want people to believe the chemistry between

1020
00:50:08,634 --> 00:50:11,354
Speaker 1: these two, but what if they do really love each

1021
00:50:11,354 --> 00:50:13,194
Speaker 1: other but they can't be together, because.

1022
00:50:15,194 --> 00:50:16,873
Speaker 2: That's so true.

1023
00:50:16,594 --> 00:50:19,674
Speaker 3: Because the thing is right, there is a little bit

1024
00:50:19,674 --> 00:50:22,194
Speaker 3: of irritation with Margot because they're going, you have a

1025
00:50:22,234 --> 00:50:23,954
Speaker 3: baby at home and you have a husband, and how

1026
00:50:24,034 --> 00:50:25,714
Speaker 3: dare you play into this? And I'm like, now, she's

1027
00:50:25,754 --> 00:50:29,394
Speaker 3: not crossing any lines. And let's remember that Jacobal Lordie

1028
00:50:29,954 --> 00:50:31,433
Speaker 3: his girlfriend.

1029
00:50:31,434 --> 00:50:34,594
Speaker 1: Girlfriend he has. I don't know, how do I not

1030
00:50:34,634 --> 00:50:37,634
Speaker 1: know who I really love someone else?

1031
00:50:37,674 --> 00:50:42,194
Speaker 3: Olivia Jade. Her name is Olivia J. Guliani. Does that

1032
00:50:42,274 --> 00:50:45,274
Speaker 3: ring a bell? Hollywayin Wright, because both her parents went

1033
00:50:45,354 --> 00:50:50,874
Speaker 3: to prison, all the college admission stands. Laurie Loughlin and

1034
00:50:50,994 --> 00:50:53,354
Speaker 3: her dad like something like half a million.

1035
00:50:53,074 --> 00:50:55,714
Speaker 1: Dollars went to a UNI that she shouldn't have gone to.

1036
00:50:55,874 --> 00:50:58,634
Speaker 3: No, she pretended, well, she didn't. We actually don't think.

1037
00:50:58,834 --> 00:51:01,634
Speaker 3: The court case suggested that she had absolutely no idea,

1038
00:51:01,714 --> 00:51:04,914
Speaker 3: but her parents suggested that she was on a rowing

1039
00:51:05,034 --> 00:51:07,354
Speaker 3: crew team that she wasn't on in order to get

1040
00:51:07,394 --> 00:51:10,834
Speaker 3: her into college. And that is Jacobal Lordie's girlfriend. They

1041
00:51:10,874 --> 00:51:13,634
Speaker 3: were pictured in January twenty twenty six. There were rumors

1042
00:51:13,634 --> 00:51:15,594
Speaker 3: that they'd split and then I saw that.

1043
00:51:16,114 --> 00:51:19,513
Speaker 1: He's across it. Ye Oh, I love it. Here's the thing.

1044
00:51:19,634 --> 00:51:21,354
Speaker 1: Are we sick of it? Are we sick of this?

1045
00:51:21,394 --> 00:51:23,754
Speaker 1: We've we've talked before about how press tours have become

1046
00:51:23,834 --> 00:51:25,433
Speaker 1: bigger than ben her No one ever used to care

1047
00:51:25,474 --> 00:51:28,154
Speaker 1: about press tours, and then ever since the whole Glenn

1048
00:51:28,474 --> 00:51:29,754
Speaker 1: my Mate, Glenn.

1049
00:51:29,554 --> 00:51:31,674
Speaker 2: Pal and se.

1050
00:51:31,114 --> 00:51:34,474
Speaker 1: Sweeney and then even before that, Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper.

1051
00:51:34,234 --> 00:51:36,714
Speaker 3: Like with Hamela Anderson wam we are one hundred.

1052
00:51:36,474 --> 00:51:39,474
Speaker 1: Percent expect it now we know it's coming. Are we

1053
00:51:39,594 --> 00:51:41,194
Speaker 1: just going to get sick of this? Are we just

1054
00:51:41,234 --> 00:51:42,834
Speaker 1: going to I mean, the other thing that Margo has

1055
00:51:42,834 --> 00:51:45,914
Speaker 1: been doing that she does so brilliantly is dressing method dressing.

1056
00:51:46,394 --> 00:51:49,553
Speaker 1: So the costumes at every Wuthering Heights event you've seen

1057
00:51:49,634 --> 00:51:53,034
Speaker 1: are ridiculous and you're just like, this is amazing. But

1058
00:51:53,074 --> 00:51:54,074
Speaker 1: are we getting sick of it?

1059
00:51:55,234 --> 00:51:57,674
Speaker 2: I am not getting sick of it? In fact, I

1060
00:51:57,754 --> 00:51:59,794
Speaker 2: want them to go a bit further. You have them

1061
00:51:59,794 --> 00:52:02,114
Speaker 2: to be passion I just yeah, I just want like,

1062
00:52:02,154 --> 00:52:04,393
Speaker 2: if you're going to do it, do it right, Like

1063
00:52:04,474 --> 00:52:07,114
Speaker 2: I want to see a Brad Pitt Angelina Jolie situation.

1064
00:52:07,554 --> 00:52:12,034
Speaker 2: Oh yes, Like, don't waste my time with this, Sydney Sweeny,

1065
00:52:12,034 --> 00:52:14,194
Speaker 2: Glen Pale, you were so boring. I think, so what

1066
00:52:14,274 --> 00:52:15,794
Speaker 2: I think I think they've gone like meta, but the

1067
00:52:15,834 --> 00:52:18,514
Speaker 2: other way where they saw Sidney Sweeny and Glen Powell

1068
00:52:18,514 --> 00:52:20,433
Speaker 2: and they're like, hey, let's just do what they did

1069
00:52:20,434 --> 00:52:22,354
Speaker 2: because everyone hated them for that, so everyone will know

1070
00:52:22,394 --> 00:52:24,354
Speaker 2: we're taking the piss out of it, and we've just

1071
00:52:24,394 --> 00:52:27,634
Speaker 2: gone believing them and they're like, oh, these dummies.

1072
00:52:27,994 --> 00:52:30,034
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just trying to be funny. We're trying to

1073
00:52:30,034 --> 00:52:32,274
Speaker 3: be fun because the thing is, their chemistry is so

1074
00:52:32,314 --> 00:52:34,034
Speaker 3: strong and the way they talk about a chemistry on

1075
00:52:34,114 --> 00:52:36,834
Speaker 3: set and almost in character. And on Valentine's Day the

1076
00:52:36,874 --> 00:52:40,074
Speaker 3: story goes that Jacob Alordie filled her hotel room or

1077
00:52:40,114 --> 00:52:43,074
Speaker 3: trailer or something with like all of these roses and

1078
00:52:43,194 --> 00:52:45,274
Speaker 3: was like from Heathcliff or whatever the character is. And

1079
00:52:45,274 --> 00:52:46,674
Speaker 3: they're very careful about.

1080
00:52:46,754 --> 00:52:49,994
Speaker 1: The character is my god.

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Speaker 3: They are very careful to keep it in character. But

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Speaker 3: I must say that watching the interviews and hearing them

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Speaker 3: talk about it, you're like, well, I have to see

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Speaker 3: this chemistry on the big screen.

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Speaker 1: It's working an absolute treat masterclass. Charlie XCX of it

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Speaker 1: all all that stuff. Look the world, there's lots of

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Speaker 1: crappy things gone on in the world. If I can

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Speaker 1: think about whether or not Jacob Laudian, Marco, Robbie MC

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Speaker 1: currently doing it like fine with me, fine, I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: My question is though, because let's not forget with Glenn Powell.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it did end up taking a toll on

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Speaker 3: his relationship with his girlfriend at the time, Gg Paris,

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Speaker 3: and they ended up splitting, right, And then there are

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Speaker 3: also I.

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Speaker 1: Was Bradley Cooper. Actually, yeah, he was with the mother

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Speaker 1: of his kid when he was doing all that Gaga.

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Speaker 3: There's a trickery, a theory that yeah, it's all fun

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Speaker 3: and it's all part of the game, and it's all

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Speaker 3: come and watch the film, but for the partners. There's

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Speaker 3: a photo that's, you know, from the most recent press

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Speaker 3: event and Tom Ackley is there, and a body language

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Speaker 3: expert did talk to The Daily Mail and did say

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Speaker 3: that it looked like it was a cry for help

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Speaker 3: of the way he was smiling.

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Speaker 1: I suspect that Tom Ackley is fine.

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Speaker 3: You'd have to. He's very sick.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be different if Tom Ackley was

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Speaker 1: a pe teacher, Yeah yeah, or a bus driver or

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Speaker 1: an accountant or a dentist or anything. That meant that

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Speaker 1: he was in the office somewhere else while his wife

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Speaker 1: was passing Jacob and Lordie on a moor somewhere and

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Speaker 1: a wind swept more and he was covering her eyes

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Speaker 1: with his hands, which is hot.

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Speaker 2: They were right about that. Tom's like I.

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Speaker 1: Can do that. Tom's just there weird life, like.

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Speaker 2: You're not tall enough, babe.

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Speaker 1: Actually he's like this for Jacob Lordie, is Tom what nationality?

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Speaker 3: Is he British American? I don't think he's Aussie, right.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee it, but I think he might be British.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he's British, because what do you mean? Sorry, Margo

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Speaker 3: keeps saying no. Actually it was Jacob who said, you know,

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Speaker 3: we've got this shorthand, like we can talk about particular

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Speaker 3: biscuits and particular smells and particular things that are back

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Speaker 3: at home that you would only know if you grew

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Speaker 3: up in Brisbane. I just feel like, is that alienating

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Speaker 3: Tom a bit?

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Speaker 4: That's what I wonder.

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Speaker 3: That's all I wonder.

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Speaker 1: Okay, out louders, I think we've come to it what

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Speaker 1: we could call a natural pause in proceeding. That is

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Speaker 1: it for our Monday show this week. I hope you're

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Speaker 1: having a good start to your week. We are happy

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Speaker 1: to be here with you. Of course, we are going

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Speaker 1: to have a subscribe episode with our mea tomorrow, but

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Speaker 1: until then, thank you to our brilliant team and we

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Speaker 1: will be back in your ears tomorrow byyy.

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Speaker 3: MoMA Mayor acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on

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Speaker 3: which we have recorded this podcast.