1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,254 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,294 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:18,934 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:22,614 --> 00:00:25,814 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily 5 00:00:25,854 --> 00:00:29,814 Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. The verdict is in Shaan Dinny 6 00:00:29,854 --> 00:00:33,534 Speaker 2: Combs has been found not guilty of sex trafficking and racketeering, 7 00:00:33,894 --> 00:00:37,934 Speaker 2: but has been found guilty of prostitution related offenses. So 8 00:00:38,214 --> 00:00:40,494 Speaker 2: what does this mixed verdict mean for him, for his 9 00:00:40,574 --> 00:00:43,694 Speaker 2: accusers and for the future of the me too movement? 10 00:00:44,654 --> 00:00:48,574 Speaker 2: Plus can Eddie McDonald's fries really help you get pregnant? 11 00:00:49,014 --> 00:00:52,254 Speaker 2: We're debunking the biggest fertility myths and why we're so 12 00:00:52,374 --> 00:00:55,614 Speaker 2: obsessed with them. Before we get there, Here's Claire Murphy 13 00:00:55,654 --> 00:00:59,534 Speaker 2: with the latest from The Quickie newsroom for Friday, July fourth. 14 00:00:59,894 --> 00:01:03,534 Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor, a former Royal commissioner, has criticized governments for 15 00:01:03,614 --> 00:01:06,494 Speaker 1: dragging their feet on creating a national regime for working 16 00:01:06,494 --> 00:01:10,374 Speaker 1: with children checks. State and federal ministers have scrambling to 17 00:01:10,454 --> 00:01:14,054 Speaker 1: fast track reforms to Australia's childcare sector after it was 18 00:01:14,134 --> 00:01:18,014 Speaker 1: revealed on Tuesday that Melbourne kerr Joshua Dale Brown had 19 00:01:18,054 --> 00:01:21,854 Speaker 1: been charged with more than seventy sex offenses. Brown allegedly 20 00:01:21,854 --> 00:01:24,814 Speaker 1: abused eight children aged under two at a Point Cook 21 00:01:24,894 --> 00:01:28,094 Speaker 1: facility in the city Southwest from April twenty twenty two 22 00:01:28,414 --> 00:01:31,534 Speaker 1: to January twenty twenty three. The twenty six year old, 23 00:01:31,534 --> 00:01:34,334 Speaker 1: who had a valid working with Children clearance, was not 24 00:01:34,414 --> 00:01:37,694 Speaker 1: known to police or subject to any complaints before his 25 00:01:37,814 --> 00:01:41,654 Speaker 1: arrest in May. The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to 26 00:01:41,734 --> 00:01:44,694 Speaker 1: Child Sexual Abuse called on the federal government back in 27 00:01:44,774 --> 00:01:48,094 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen to facilitate a national model for working with 28 00:01:48,174 --> 00:01:51,374 Speaker 1: children checks. Robert Fitzgerald, one of the five members of 29 00:01:51,374 --> 00:01:55,814 Speaker 1: that Royal Commission, said the recommendation remains unfulfilled, saying in 30 00:01:55,854 --> 00:01:58,614 Speaker 1: his view, this is shameful and that ten years on 31 00:01:58,814 --> 00:02:01,414 Speaker 1: that job should have been completed and the fact that 32 00:02:01,454 --> 00:02:04,574 Speaker 1: it isn't means there are gaps in our child safeguarding regime. 33 00:02:05,454 --> 00:02:07,854 Speaker 1: US President Donald Trump has sat down for a call 34 00:02:07,934 --> 00:02:12,174 Speaker 1: with Vladimir Putinrussian leader, reiterating that Moscow will not be 35 00:02:12,294 --> 00:02:15,574 Speaker 1: backing down from their goals in Ukraine. Trump is pushing 36 00:02:15,614 --> 00:02:18,414 Speaker 1: for a quick resolution to the now three year conflict, 37 00:02:18,614 --> 00:02:20,734 Speaker 1: but in a readout of the call provided by one 38 00:02:20,734 --> 00:02:24,014 Speaker 1: of Putin's aids. The Russian president told Trump that Moscow 39 00:02:24,054 --> 00:02:27,454 Speaker 1: would keep pushing to solve the conflict's root causes, which 40 00:02:27,454 --> 00:02:30,614 Speaker 1: has become the term used by Putin to describe issues, 41 00:02:30,654 --> 00:02:35,174 Speaker 1: including Ukraine potentially joining NATO. NATO leaders have accused Putin 42 00:02:35,214 --> 00:02:38,934 Speaker 1: of angling to establish greater control of Kiev's political decisions, 43 00:02:39,174 --> 00:02:42,574 Speaker 1: as well as in other Eastern European capitals. The US 44 00:02:42,734 --> 00:02:46,414 Speaker 1: has recently poor shipments of critical weapons to Ukraine. The 45 00:02:46,494 --> 00:02:50,094 Speaker 1: decision saw Ukraine's leader, Vladimir Zelenski push for the resumption 46 00:02:50,134 --> 00:02:53,894 Speaker 1: of weapons deliveries, saying it will weaken Ukraine's ability to 47 00:02:53,934 --> 00:02:58,934 Speaker 1: defend against intensifying Russian airstrikes and battlefield advances. Trump and 48 00:02:58,974 --> 00:03:01,934 Speaker 1: Putin did not discuss a face to face meeting, but 49 00:03:01,974 --> 00:03:05,134 Speaker 1: Putin's aid said that while Russia is open to continuing 50 00:03:05,174 --> 00:03:08,334 Speaker 1: to speak to the US, any peace negotiations for the 51 00:03:08,414 --> 00:03:11,414 Speaker 1: region would have to have happened between Moscow and Kiev. 52 00:03:12,214 --> 00:03:15,014 Speaker 1: The Princess of Wales has explained how difficult it is 53 00:03:15,054 --> 00:03:17,574 Speaker 1: to not only go through cancer treatment, but how to 54 00:03:17,614 --> 00:03:21,134 Speaker 1: handle the time afterwards. Princess Kate was speaking to patients 55 00:03:21,134 --> 00:03:23,694 Speaker 1: at a hospital in eastern England saying how you put 56 00:03:23,734 --> 00:03:26,454 Speaker 1: on a brave face through treatment, and then treatment's done 57 00:03:26,494 --> 00:03:28,294 Speaker 1: and you think you can crack on and get back 58 00:03:28,294 --> 00:03:31,814 Speaker 1: to normal, but actually the phase afterwards is really difficult. 59 00:03:32,134 --> 00:03:34,494 Speaker 1: She explained how well you may no longer be receiving 60 00:03:34,494 --> 00:03:37,894 Speaker 1: clinical care, it's actually quite hard to function normally at home, 61 00:03:38,174 --> 00:03:40,374 Speaker 1: and said it was really valuable to have someone help 62 00:03:40,414 --> 00:03:42,494 Speaker 1: talk you through that time and how to guide you 63 00:03:42,574 --> 00:03:45,614 Speaker 1: through it. Catherine planted roses named for her at the 64 00:03:45,614 --> 00:03:49,814 Speaker 1: hospital gardens during her visit. Lily Allen has opened up 65 00:03:49,854 --> 00:03:52,854 Speaker 1: about her experience with abortion, saying not wanting to have 66 00:03:52,894 --> 00:03:56,414 Speaker 1: a baby right then is reason enough. Allan was speaking 67 00:03:56,454 --> 00:03:59,334 Speaker 1: on the Missmeet podcast saying she doesn't actually remember how 68 00:03:59,334 --> 00:04:02,614 Speaker 1: many pregnancy terminations she's had in the past, saying it's 69 00:04:02,654 --> 00:04:05,454 Speaker 1: possibly around five, and that at one stage she thought 70 00:04:05,494 --> 00:04:07,614 Speaker 1: it was a romantic gesture that one of her ex 71 00:04:07,694 --> 00:04:10,374 Speaker 1: partners had paid for the procedure, but says now that 72 00:04:10,414 --> 00:04:12,814 Speaker 1: she thinks about it, it's actually the much cheaper thing 73 00:04:12,854 --> 00:04:15,974 Speaker 1: to pay for than actually having a child. Alan said 74 00:04:16,014 --> 00:04:17,774 Speaker 1: she was a bit of a disaster when it came 75 00:04:17,814 --> 00:04:20,254 Speaker 1: to contraception when she was younger, but the now she 76 00:04:20,334 --> 00:04:23,414 Speaker 1: has an iud she's got it in hand. Alan's co 77 00:04:23,494 --> 00:04:26,454 Speaker 1: host Maqueida Oliver admitted she too had had about five 78 00:04:26,494 --> 00:04:28,774 Speaker 1: abortions in her time and that it was a relief 79 00:04:28,814 --> 00:04:30,814 Speaker 1: to be able to talk about it in a judgment 80 00:04:30,854 --> 00:04:34,654 Speaker 1: free zone. Alan explained that many justify abortion by giving 81 00:04:34,694 --> 00:04:37,894 Speaker 1: the most extreme cases. As an example, like if women 82 00:04:37,974 --> 00:04:40,134 Speaker 1: are forced to carry a child full term, that was 83 00:04:40,174 --> 00:04:43,014 Speaker 1: going to kill them. She said she just doesn't want 84 00:04:43,054 --> 00:04:45,214 Speaker 1: to have a baby at that time and that is 85 00:04:45,294 --> 00:04:46,014 Speaker 1: reason enough. 86 00:04:46,414 --> 00:04:56,134 Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, Unpacking the Diddy verdict. The verdict in 87 00:04:56,174 --> 00:04:58,894 Speaker 2: the Seawan Diddy Combs trial has sent shockwaves through the 88 00:04:58,974 --> 00:05:03,174 Speaker 2: music industry and beyond. On Wednesday local time, a Manhattan 89 00:05:03,214 --> 00:05:06,894 Speaker 2: judge clear Ditty of the most serious charges, sex trafficking 90 00:05:06,934 --> 00:05:10,574 Speaker 2: and racketeering conspiracy, but the jury you'd find him guilty 91 00:05:10,614 --> 00:05:14,654 Speaker 2: on two counts of transporting women for prostitution. That means 92 00:05:14,654 --> 00:05:18,094 Speaker 2: he avoids a potential life sentence, but still faces up 93 00:05:18,174 --> 00:05:21,534 Speaker 2: to twenty years in prison, ten years for each conviction. 94 00:05:22,454 --> 00:05:25,014 Speaker 2: Didty's legal team is now pushing for his release on 95 00:05:25,094 --> 00:05:28,094 Speaker 2: bond while he awaits sentencing, but the judge has so 96 00:05:28,214 --> 00:05:31,214 Speaker 2: far kept him behind bars, citing the risky poses to 97 00:05:31,254 --> 00:05:34,414 Speaker 2: the community. The music mogul will be back in court 98 00:05:34,534 --> 00:05:37,334 Speaker 2: next week to learn when his sentencing hearing will take place. 99 00:05:37,694 --> 00:05:41,414 Speaker 2: At this stage, it's likely in October. While we don't 100 00:05:41,414 --> 00:05:44,374 Speaker 2: know how that'll go just yet, legal experts say he's 101 00:05:44,414 --> 00:05:47,454 Speaker 2: more likely to get a sentence of months rather than years, 102 00:05:47,854 --> 00:05:50,654 Speaker 2: and possibly even just time served, depending on how the 103 00:05:50,734 --> 00:05:54,334 Speaker 2: judge weighs the evidence and the pre sentence report. The 104 00:05:54,374 --> 00:05:58,214 Speaker 2: trial itself was a spectacle, with Ditty supporters changing outside 105 00:05:58,214 --> 00:06:01,174 Speaker 2: the court house and his family erupting an applause when 106 00:06:01,214 --> 00:06:04,654 Speaker 2: the verdict was read. Inside, the jury heard weeks of 107 00:06:04,694 --> 00:06:08,054 Speaker 2: testimony about Ditty's so called free cops, those drug fueled 108 00:06:08,094 --> 00:06:12,014 Speaker 2: sex parties, about alligahiations of violence, and claims of manipulation 109 00:06:12,294 --> 00:06:16,574 Speaker 2: and blackmail against his former partners, including Cassie van Tura. 110 00:06:16,694 --> 00:06:20,374 Speaker 2: Prosecutors argued that did He use threats and financial control 111 00:06:20,454 --> 00:06:23,934 Speaker 2: to coerce women into sex acts, but the jury ultimately 112 00:06:24,054 --> 00:06:27,614 Speaker 2: wasn't convinced there was enough evidence or force of coercion 113 00:06:27,734 --> 00:06:31,774 Speaker 2: to convict on the most serious charges. Still, the guilty 114 00:06:31,894 --> 00:06:35,214 Speaker 2: verdict on the prostitution charges means did Hey isn't walking 115 00:06:35,294 --> 00:06:39,094 Speaker 2: free and he still faces dozens of civil lawsuits from 116 00:06:39,134 --> 00:06:42,014 Speaker 2: women accusing him of abuse outside of the trial, we've 117 00:06:42,054 --> 00:06:45,974 Speaker 2: all been watching. The verdict has reignited debate about the 118 00:06:45,974 --> 00:06:49,214 Speaker 2: future of the me too movement, with some experts calling 119 00:06:49,254 --> 00:06:51,734 Speaker 2: it a slap in the face to victims and warning 120 00:06:51,774 --> 00:06:56,254 Speaker 2: it could discourage others from coming forward. One woman outside 121 00:06:56,294 --> 00:06:58,654 Speaker 2: the court has summed up her feelings of the outcome 122 00:06:58,774 --> 00:07:00,174 Speaker 2: to ABC Australia. 123 00:07:00,814 --> 00:07:03,654 Speaker 3: Me too movement is definitely going to have to pivot 124 00:07:03,734 --> 00:07:07,374 Speaker 3: itself and move in a different direction, because look at 125 00:07:07,374 --> 00:07:12,334 Speaker 3: what just happened. That's telling us us our voices don't matter. 126 00:07:12,814 --> 00:07:16,934 Speaker 3: What we went through didn't matter, what we experienced didn't matter. 127 00:07:17,494 --> 00:07:19,694 Speaker 3: And money buys you out of anything. 128 00:07:20,534 --> 00:07:23,374 Speaker 2: Others say, the trial itself and the fact that Ditty 129 00:07:23,454 --> 00:07:26,254 Speaker 2: was held to account at all is a sign of progress. 130 00:07:26,894 --> 00:07:30,174 Speaker 2: After the verdict, Diddy's lawyer held a press conference outside 131 00:07:30,174 --> 00:07:32,214 Speaker 2: the courthouse, praising the jury. 132 00:07:32,734 --> 00:07:37,614 Speaker 4: One thing stands between all of us and a prison, 133 00:07:38,094 --> 00:07:41,974 Speaker 4: and that is a jury of twelve citizens. And we 134 00:07:42,094 --> 00:07:43,534 Speaker 4: had a wonderful jury. 135 00:07:44,014 --> 00:07:44,654 Speaker 5: They listened to. 136 00:07:44,694 --> 00:07:49,494 Speaker 4: Every word and they got the situation right or certainly 137 00:07:49,694 --> 00:07:50,294 Speaker 4: right enough. 138 00:07:52,054 --> 00:07:55,334 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Cassie Ventura's lawyer says that she paved the way 139 00:07:55,414 --> 00:07:59,014 Speaker 2: for this conviction and prosecuted stress that sex crimes are 140 00:07:59,054 --> 00:08:02,054 Speaker 2: still all too common and that the fight just isn't 141 00:08:02,094 --> 00:08:06,534 Speaker 2: over yet. To help us understand the verdict were joined 142 00:08:06,534 --> 00:08:10,094 Speaker 2: by Principal Solicitor at New and Legal, Sophie newem Sophy, 143 00:08:10,374 --> 00:08:12,934 Speaker 2: Let's get straight to the outcome. Can you walk us 144 00:08:12,974 --> 00:08:16,174 Speaker 2: through what the charges laid against did He were and 145 00:08:16,254 --> 00:08:18,054 Speaker 2: how the jury decided on each of them. 146 00:08:18,414 --> 00:08:21,694 Speaker 6: Did He was charged with five offenses. He was found 147 00:08:21,734 --> 00:08:25,774 Speaker 6: guilty of two counts of transportation to engage in prostitutions, 148 00:08:25,774 --> 00:08:28,574 Speaker 6: so one of those counts related to Cassie and the 149 00:08:28,614 --> 00:08:31,974 Speaker 6: other count related to an ex girlfriend who gave evidence 150 00:08:32,054 --> 00:08:34,374 Speaker 6: under a pseudonyms or fake name. What that means is 151 00:08:34,414 --> 00:08:37,974 Speaker 6: the jury was satisfied that he was transporting Cassie and 152 00:08:38,134 --> 00:08:41,654 Speaker 6: Jane into state with the intent that they engage in prostitution. 153 00:08:42,374 --> 00:08:44,894 Speaker 6: What he was found not guilty of was the two 154 00:08:44,934 --> 00:08:48,734 Speaker 6: counts of sex trafficking, so they're slightly different offenses which 155 00:08:48,814 --> 00:08:52,334 Speaker 6: require additional elements such as threats of force, fraud, and 156 00:08:52,494 --> 00:08:55,774 Speaker 6: or coercion and causing them to engage in a commercial 157 00:08:55,814 --> 00:08:59,294 Speaker 6: sex act. He was also found not guilty of the 158 00:08:59,374 --> 00:09:03,214 Speaker 6: racketeering conspiracy charge, so that's the most serious charge. The 159 00:09:03,254 --> 00:09:06,654 Speaker 6: prosecutors in that charge would have had to have proven 160 00:09:06,654 --> 00:09:09,014 Speaker 6: a number of elements, So there had to be an 161 00:09:09,094 --> 00:09:12,374 Speaker 6: agreement between two or more persons to participate in a 162 00:09:12,414 --> 00:09:15,414 Speaker 6: pattern that would have affected interstate commerce, and that he 163 00:09:15,534 --> 00:09:20,174 Speaker 6: willingly engaged in that conspiracy. There's a number of alleged 164 00:09:20,414 --> 00:09:24,534 Speaker 6: racketeering acts in this case to prove that offense, which 165 00:09:24,574 --> 00:09:28,494 Speaker 6: included the kidnapping, bribery, sex trafficking, and force labor. 166 00:09:29,174 --> 00:09:31,774 Speaker 2: The charge of racketeering it's not something we hear often 167 00:09:31,814 --> 00:09:33,614 Speaker 2: here in Australia. Can you just give us what a 168 00:09:33,734 --> 00:09:36,134 Speaker 2: layman's terms of what that actually means. 169 00:09:36,694 --> 00:09:39,614 Speaker 6: Yes, we don't have that offense here in Australia, so 170 00:09:40,134 --> 00:09:44,934 Speaker 6: it's effectively a financial crime. So it's different to you know, 171 00:09:44,974 --> 00:09:49,734 Speaker 6: your typical sexual assault offens where it's effectively an agreement 172 00:09:49,854 --> 00:09:54,134 Speaker 6: to participate in a financial crime. I think in America 173 00:09:54,294 --> 00:09:57,774 Speaker 6: it was actually initially introduced to combat mafia crimes. 174 00:09:58,454 --> 00:10:02,174 Speaker 2: Some people are confused about how some of the evidence 175 00:10:02,454 --> 00:10:05,414 Speaker 2: that was shown at this trial didn't move the outcome 176 00:10:05,654 --> 00:10:10,574 Speaker 2: in a particular direction. Talking specifically about that video footage 177 00:10:10,614 --> 00:10:13,974 Speaker 2: that we saw of Ditty assaulting Cassie in a hotel 178 00:10:14,014 --> 00:10:16,534 Speaker 2: hallway in a hotel room. I guess a lot of 179 00:10:16,534 --> 00:10:20,894 Speaker 2: people are questioning Sophie how that wasn't enough to convict him. 180 00:10:20,974 --> 00:10:23,814 Speaker 2: But I want to ask you what charge would that 181 00:10:23,934 --> 00:10:27,134 Speaker 2: have maybe moved the needle on convicting him for though. 182 00:10:27,254 --> 00:10:30,214 Speaker 6: That's a great question because it does demonstrate the issue 183 00:10:30,374 --> 00:10:32,774 Speaker 6: in I guess a lot of criminal cases as it's 184 00:10:32,854 --> 00:10:35,814 Speaker 6: ultimately up to the prosecutors as to what charges they 185 00:10:35,854 --> 00:10:39,014 Speaker 6: proceed with. So in this case, they were proceeding with 186 00:10:39,694 --> 00:10:43,294 Speaker 6: the prostitution the sex trafficking types of crimes as opposed 187 00:10:43,334 --> 00:10:46,454 Speaker 6: to physical assaults or sexual assaults. So I think that's 188 00:10:46,574 --> 00:10:48,774 Speaker 6: why a lot of people are outraged by seeing these 189 00:10:48,814 --> 00:10:52,014 Speaker 6: types of acts and not quite understanding how he was 190 00:10:52,014 --> 00:10:55,494 Speaker 6: found not guilty. In Layman's terms, it's because there are 191 00:10:55,734 --> 00:10:59,774 Speaker 6: specific elements or acts that need to be proved in 192 00:10:59,894 --> 00:11:02,254 Speaker 6: order for the jury to have found him guilty. They 193 00:11:02,334 --> 00:11:05,614 Speaker 6: ultimately didn't find that because of prosecution lyad different types 194 00:11:05,654 --> 00:11:08,734 Speaker 6: of charges to what you ordinarily would see in this case. 195 00:11:09,814 --> 00:11:12,574 Speaker 2: Of this trial, did he still faces like a whole 196 00:11:12,614 --> 00:11:15,014 Speaker 2: bunch of civil lawsuits from a whole bunch of other 197 00:11:15,054 --> 00:11:17,334 Speaker 2: women and other people who've come forward and said he 198 00:11:17,374 --> 00:11:19,494 Speaker 2: did this to me, or I was subjected to this 199 00:11:19,574 --> 00:11:21,974 Speaker 2: because of did he? Is that kind of the place 200 00:11:21,974 --> 00:11:25,894 Speaker 2: where maybe something like these disturbing images and footage that 201 00:11:25,894 --> 00:11:28,374 Speaker 2: we saw, is that where that would maybe more likely 202 00:11:28,574 --> 00:11:29,374 Speaker 2: to get a conviction. 203 00:11:29,894 --> 00:11:31,854 Speaker 6: In a civil case, you don't get a conviction, so 204 00:11:31,894 --> 00:11:35,294 Speaker 6: you get an outcome, so, for example, will win financial 205 00:11:35,734 --> 00:11:41,014 Speaker 6: reward for having proved the civil standard, which is the 206 00:11:41,014 --> 00:11:44,094 Speaker 6: balance of probabilities. It's different, And I think he raised 207 00:11:44,094 --> 00:11:47,054 Speaker 6: a good point because some people who are victims of 208 00:11:47,094 --> 00:11:51,574 Speaker 6: these acts would prefer to pursue civil proceedings where they 209 00:11:51,614 --> 00:11:53,574 Speaker 6: feel like they're still getting a win, but they're not 210 00:11:53,574 --> 00:11:57,094 Speaker 6: being subjected to and traumatized by the criminal proceedings that 211 00:11:57,134 --> 00:11:58,494 Speaker 6: we often see victims are. 212 00:11:59,094 --> 00:12:02,054 Speaker 2: What kind of sentencing could did you potentially face here? 213 00:12:02,094 --> 00:12:04,134 Speaker 2: We know that some of the more serious crimes he 214 00:12:04,254 --> 00:12:06,494 Speaker 2: wasn't found guilty of by the jury, but he has 215 00:12:06,534 --> 00:12:09,094 Speaker 2: still been found guilty of a couple of other crimes. 216 00:12:09,534 --> 00:12:13,094 Speaker 2: Each of those carry a maximum ten year sentence, but 217 00:12:13,614 --> 00:12:16,134 Speaker 2: experts say that it's probably unlikely that he'll actually serve 218 00:12:16,214 --> 00:12:18,294 Speaker 2: twenty years in jail. What do you make of it? 219 00:12:18,854 --> 00:12:21,854 Speaker 6: Yes, So he has avoided. I think it was life 220 00:12:21,854 --> 00:12:25,774 Speaker 6: imprisonment potentially, and also the fifteen year minimum sentence. So 221 00:12:25,814 --> 00:12:28,614 Speaker 6: the two charges that he was found guilty of have 222 00:12:28,774 --> 00:12:32,494 Speaker 6: a ten year maximum imprisonment sentence. That's the maximum. It 223 00:12:32,534 --> 00:12:35,174 Speaker 6: doesn't necessarily mean that is what he will get, so 224 00:12:35,214 --> 00:12:38,014 Speaker 6: I think the prosecutors were suggesting something like four or 225 00:12:38,054 --> 00:12:42,254 Speaker 6: five years, whereas his lawyers were saying closer to two years. 226 00:12:42,494 --> 00:12:45,734 Speaker 6: What's important as well, is that whatever sentence he gets 227 00:12:45,774 --> 00:12:49,174 Speaker 6: will be served concurrently, so that means at the same 228 00:12:49,254 --> 00:12:52,174 Speaker 6: time as opposed to consecutively, so he's not going to 229 00:12:52,214 --> 00:12:55,414 Speaker 6: serve one, say, four year sentence, and then another four 230 00:12:55,494 --> 00:12:56,174 Speaker 6: year sentence. 231 00:12:56,934 --> 00:12:59,374 Speaker 2: And there's also that factor that he's been in jail 232 00:12:59,614 --> 00:13:00,974 Speaker 2: since September as well. 233 00:13:01,134 --> 00:13:03,774 Speaker 6: Correct. I think his sentence is listed on the third 234 00:13:03,774 --> 00:13:07,054 Speaker 6: of October, so that's just over a year, So all 235 00:13:07,094 --> 00:13:09,094 Speaker 6: of that time that he's been in custody will be 236 00:13:09,134 --> 00:13:11,574 Speaker 6: countered towards the sentence he ultimately gets. 237 00:13:11,894 --> 00:13:14,214 Speaker 2: A lot of people had hoped that maybe a guilty 238 00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:17,014 Speaker 2: verdict on all charges could have been a foundation for 239 00:13:17,054 --> 00:13:20,134 Speaker 2: the new Me Too reckoning, which a lot of people 240 00:13:20,174 --> 00:13:23,654 Speaker 2: think maybe died out a couple of years ago. Obviously, 241 00:13:23,814 --> 00:13:26,894 Speaker 2: he was not found guilty of all charges, and people 242 00:13:26,894 --> 00:13:29,334 Speaker 2: have signaled this as the final nail in the coffin 243 00:13:29,454 --> 00:13:32,294 Speaker 2: for me too. What do you make of a statement 244 00:13:32,494 --> 00:13:35,054 Speaker 2: like that. That's obviously a very emotionally charged thing for 245 00:13:35,094 --> 00:13:36,454 Speaker 2: people to be putting out there. 246 00:13:36,974 --> 00:13:39,334 Speaker 6: I'm not sure I agree with that. I mean, we 247 00:13:39,414 --> 00:13:42,294 Speaker 6: can't forget that he has been found guilty of two 248 00:13:42,454 --> 00:13:45,934 Speaker 6: very very serious offenses against women. So I think that 249 00:13:46,174 --> 00:13:48,814 Speaker 6: gives some confidence that the Me Too movement is still alive. 250 00:13:49,174 --> 00:13:51,574 Speaker 6: It's not the final nail in the coffin, but I 251 00:13:51,574 --> 00:13:54,694 Speaker 6: think the main thing is that there are these alternate 252 00:13:54,854 --> 00:13:58,334 Speaker 6: avenues for victims of crime to also pursue because getting 253 00:13:58,494 --> 00:14:01,094 Speaker 6: justice feels different to different people, and so to some 254 00:14:01,134 --> 00:14:03,774 Speaker 6: people it is, you know, guilty verdicts on every account. 255 00:14:03,934 --> 00:14:08,494 Speaker 6: Some it might be guilty to some very serious sexual offenses, 256 00:14:08,854 --> 00:14:12,054 Speaker 6: and other people might be a very private civil matter 257 00:14:12,094 --> 00:14:13,334 Speaker 6: that's resolved amicably. 258 00:14:18,494 --> 00:14:21,694 Speaker 2: Recently, the Internet alerted me to the fact that French 259 00:14:21,734 --> 00:14:24,574 Speaker 2: fries or hot chippies as I like to call them, 260 00:14:24,814 --> 00:14:29,054 Speaker 2: could get me pregnant. Obviously it's not my first day online, 261 00:14:29,214 --> 00:14:31,854 Speaker 2: but it did get me wondering is there any and 262 00:14:31,934 --> 00:14:34,774 Speaker 2: I do mean any science behind the theory that eating 263 00:14:34,814 --> 00:14:38,574 Speaker 2: McDonald's fries after embryo transfer will boost your chances of 264 00:14:38,614 --> 00:14:41,854 Speaker 2: getting pregnant. Now, before we even hear from the expert 265 00:14:41,854 --> 00:14:44,454 Speaker 2: on this, the answer is no. But should you still 266 00:14:44,494 --> 00:14:49,014 Speaker 2: eat hot chippies whenever you want? Obviously, and before my 267 00:14:49,054 --> 00:14:51,934 Speaker 2: fiance starts to panic, I did not go searching for 268 00:14:52,014 --> 00:14:54,934 Speaker 2: ways to get pregnant quick, I promise you it was 269 00:14:54,974 --> 00:14:58,534 Speaker 2: the algorithm. Back to it. There are more pregnancy and 270 00:14:58,574 --> 00:15:01,654 Speaker 2: fertility myths than the day is long. Like the more 271 00:15:01,654 --> 00:15:04,494 Speaker 2: heartburn you have during pregnancy means the more hair your 272 00:15:04,534 --> 00:15:07,854 Speaker 2: baby will be born with, or that carrying your belly 273 00:15:07,934 --> 00:15:10,334 Speaker 2: high means you're more likely to have girl, while a 274 00:15:10,414 --> 00:15:13,454 Speaker 2: lower bump indicates a boy. Also, I have been to 275 00:15:13,534 --> 00:15:15,974 Speaker 2: more baby showers than I care to admit, where we've 276 00:15:16,014 --> 00:15:19,374 Speaker 2: gathered around and expected mother's belly dangling her wedding ring 277 00:15:19,454 --> 00:15:21,574 Speaker 2: on a strand of hair to determine the sex of 278 00:15:21,614 --> 00:15:25,694 Speaker 2: her unborn. Not even the Kardashians can escape indulging in 279 00:15:25,734 --> 00:15:26,894 Speaker 2: some pregnancy myths. 280 00:15:28,614 --> 00:15:32,294 Speaker 7: I think it's a boy. You're skinnier this way, Oh 281 00:15:32,374 --> 00:15:36,694 Speaker 7: you're prettier, How could you Jenny were last time? Like 282 00:15:37,214 --> 00:15:40,774 Speaker 7: the girls take the beauty to give it to themselves. 283 00:15:40,894 --> 00:15:44,014 Speaker 7: The boys like, know what's up, and they just like, 284 00:15:44,134 --> 00:15:45,574 Speaker 7: let you be a little bit prettier. 285 00:15:47,214 --> 00:15:49,814 Speaker 2: So where do all these old wives tales come from? 286 00:15:49,974 --> 00:15:53,414 Speaker 2: And why do we clutch onto them so tightly? I 287 00:15:53,454 --> 00:15:56,454 Speaker 2: got fertility and ivy of expert doctor David Greening on 288 00:15:56,494 --> 00:15:59,774 Speaker 2: the case. David, I want to start with these fertility fries. 289 00:16:00,494 --> 00:16:03,374 Speaker 2: Is there any truth to the idea that hot chips 290 00:16:03,454 --> 00:16:06,254 Speaker 2: will boost your chances after an embryo transfer. 291 00:16:06,654 --> 00:16:08,454 Speaker 5: There's no viability to that. 292 00:16:09,134 --> 00:16:12,614 Speaker 8: There are some interesting real studies on what to do 293 00:16:12,694 --> 00:16:15,014 Speaker 8: after you've had an embryo put back. It's my own 294 00:16:15,054 --> 00:16:18,054 Speaker 8: personal feud that serotonin's released from chocolate, so I think 295 00:16:18,094 --> 00:16:21,014 Speaker 8: chocolate's probably helpful that Again, that study hasn't been done, 296 00:16:21,014 --> 00:16:23,014 Speaker 8: but I'm sure it would be a popular study. But 297 00:16:23,134 --> 00:16:25,134 Speaker 8: the most important thing if you really want to improve 298 00:16:25,134 --> 00:16:28,454 Speaker 8: embryo sticking, first of all, make good embryos, and secondly, 299 00:16:28,494 --> 00:16:30,654 Speaker 8: to have sex for the next couple of nights. So 300 00:16:31,254 --> 00:16:36,174 Speaker 8: seminal fluid primes the endometrium the lining for that embryo 301 00:16:36,254 --> 00:16:36,814 Speaker 8: to implant. 302 00:16:36,974 --> 00:16:39,294 Speaker 2: Not to be vulgar about it, but a sticky situation 303 00:16:39,414 --> 00:16:40,254 Speaker 2: is a good situation. 304 00:16:40,934 --> 00:16:42,934 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, and it's not about the sex, it's just 305 00:16:42,934 --> 00:16:45,454 Speaker 8: getting a seminal fluid in there. It gets up into 306 00:16:45,454 --> 00:16:48,254 Speaker 8: the endometrium and it primes it really really good at 307 00:16:48,534 --> 00:16:52,574 Speaker 8: telling that endometrium to help that embryo implant. 308 00:16:53,134 --> 00:16:55,974 Speaker 2: One of the reasons that the Fertility for I thing 309 00:16:56,134 --> 00:16:59,974 Speaker 2: was kicking around is this idea that high salt intake 310 00:17:00,054 --> 00:17:03,534 Speaker 2: will help protect against a very hyperstimulation syndrome. Can you 311 00:17:03,574 --> 00:17:06,894 Speaker 2: just really quickly explain what that is and why salt 312 00:17:07,014 --> 00:17:10,494 Speaker 2: and maybe hot shippies would be the answer to it. 313 00:17:10,494 --> 00:17:13,134 Speaker 8: It probably wouldn't really prevent it as such, I can 314 00:17:13,174 --> 00:17:13,774 Speaker 8: see the point. 315 00:17:13,814 --> 00:17:15,414 Speaker 5: You want to keep them a bit hydrated. 316 00:17:15,654 --> 00:17:20,574 Speaker 8: But a very hard simulations a crazy, thankfully rare situation 317 00:17:20,934 --> 00:17:24,134 Speaker 8: where if you give the trigger injection to get the 318 00:17:24,174 --> 00:17:27,974 Speaker 8: eggs ready for egg collection, and the famous trigger injection 319 00:17:28,294 --> 00:17:30,774 Speaker 8: gets the egg to get ready and has the genetics, 320 00:17:30,974 --> 00:17:34,614 Speaker 8: it sets off this crazy cascade where they high persimulately 321 00:17:34,654 --> 00:17:38,494 Speaker 8: over you start producing these horrible chemicals called vgfs, and 322 00:17:38,534 --> 00:17:41,854 Speaker 8: they create lots of fluid retention, and they start leaking fluid, 323 00:17:41,854 --> 00:17:43,694 Speaker 8: and then the gut starts leaking flu and they can 324 00:17:43,774 --> 00:17:46,214 Speaker 8: put on a massive amount of fluid. It's really dangerous. 325 00:17:46,334 --> 00:17:49,294 Speaker 8: So the Fry's idea probably got thrown around. Eat lots 326 00:17:49,334 --> 00:17:50,614 Speaker 8: of salt, drink lots of water. 327 00:17:50,854 --> 00:17:52,574 Speaker 2: I want to ask you a couple more of these 328 00:17:52,654 --> 00:17:55,574 Speaker 2: myths while people are pregnant, and also as you get 329 00:17:55,614 --> 00:17:57,774 Speaker 2: to the point in and labor starts to kick in. 330 00:17:57,854 --> 00:18:01,334 Speaker 2: But before you do, David, why do people latch onto 331 00:18:01,374 --> 00:18:03,854 Speaker 2: these old wives tales so tightly? 332 00:18:04,734 --> 00:18:04,894 Speaker 5: Ah? 333 00:18:05,214 --> 00:18:09,214 Speaker 8: I think it's always interesting because they're searching for anything 334 00:18:09,254 --> 00:18:11,294 Speaker 8: in the super desperate they want to get pregnant. 335 00:18:11,334 --> 00:18:13,134 Speaker 2: Shall we quick fire some of these other myths? 336 00:18:13,614 --> 00:18:14,054 Speaker 5: Go for it. 337 00:18:14,134 --> 00:18:16,814 Speaker 2: If you have heartburn during pregnancy, it means that your 338 00:18:16,854 --> 00:18:18,614 Speaker 2: baby will be born with lots of hair. 339 00:18:19,054 --> 00:18:22,454 Speaker 8: Oh, famous Middle European myth sadli a myth. 340 00:18:22,814 --> 00:18:25,094 Speaker 2: If you're craving sweet foods, it means you're more likely 341 00:18:25,134 --> 00:18:26,974 Speaker 2: to give birth to a little girl. If you are 342 00:18:27,014 --> 00:18:29,934 Speaker 2: craving savory foods, you are pregnant with a boy. 343 00:18:30,454 --> 00:18:30,654 Speaker 5: Yeah. 344 00:18:30,654 --> 00:18:32,774 Speaker 8: I heard that one as well. Not sure on that one, 345 00:18:32,774 --> 00:18:34,614 Speaker 8: I'll be honest, I'd like to see a study on it. 346 00:18:34,614 --> 00:18:36,974 Speaker 8: It does sound interesting, doesn't it It does. 347 00:18:37,054 --> 00:18:39,414 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have any children, so I can't 348 00:18:39,414 --> 00:18:41,894 Speaker 2: weigh in. But from my colleagues. They tell me that 349 00:18:41,934 --> 00:18:44,214 Speaker 2: there is a bit of truth to that one. There 350 00:18:44,214 --> 00:18:48,614 Speaker 2: are two more in the gender sex guessing while you're pregnant. 351 00:18:48,614 --> 00:18:50,694 Speaker 2: The first one is that if you're pregnant with a boy, 352 00:18:51,174 --> 00:18:54,814 Speaker 2: women tend to be more beautiful, have that pregnancy glow, 353 00:18:54,974 --> 00:18:57,494 Speaker 2: and that if you're carrying a female baby, that you 354 00:18:57,614 --> 00:18:59,694 Speaker 2: tend to be a little bit duller in your complexion 355 00:18:59,734 --> 00:19:02,214 Speaker 2: because they're taking all the beauty. That one just feels 356 00:19:02,214 --> 00:19:03,334 Speaker 2: like a straight up myth. 357 00:19:03,774 --> 00:19:07,734 Speaker 8: Yeah, we've occasionally done hormone levels on patients who are 358 00:19:07,734 --> 00:19:11,814 Speaker 8: pregnant for various reasons. Estrogen, when your ovulating is probably 359 00:19:11,814 --> 00:19:14,654 Speaker 8: around naturally it's around fifteen hundred. IVF might get to 360 00:19:14,894 --> 00:19:18,174 Speaker 8: fifteen thousand, and pregnancy is well over one hundred thousand, 361 00:19:18,334 --> 00:19:21,654 Speaker 8: and that's the number one hormone, and that doesn't care 362 00:19:21,814 --> 00:19:23,694 Speaker 8: what gender the embryo is. 363 00:19:23,974 --> 00:19:25,774 Speaker 5: I don't think there's anything to that one. 364 00:19:26,174 --> 00:19:28,974 Speaker 2: And the final one is while you're pregnant, if you 365 00:19:29,054 --> 00:19:32,294 Speaker 2: take a strand of your hair and loop your wedding 366 00:19:32,414 --> 00:19:34,134 Speaker 2: ring on it. And I already see an issue with 367 00:19:34,214 --> 00:19:36,054 Speaker 2: this because if you're not married, you don't have a 368 00:19:36,134 --> 00:19:38,854 Speaker 2: wedding ring. But if you hold that over the belly 369 00:19:38,894 --> 00:19:41,134 Speaker 2: of the pregnant person. If it swings a certain way 370 00:19:41,254 --> 00:19:43,614 Speaker 2: or swirls in a certain way, that can also determine 371 00:19:43,654 --> 00:19:44,494 Speaker 2: the sex of your baby. 372 00:19:44,854 --> 00:19:46,254 Speaker 5: It's fifty percent, right. 373 00:19:47,934 --> 00:19:51,374 Speaker 2: Great diplomatic answer, very quickly, David. For our friends out 374 00:19:51,374 --> 00:19:53,934 Speaker 2: there who are listening and are currently pregnant, maybe they're 375 00:19:53,934 --> 00:19:57,174 Speaker 2: staring down the barrel of those final few weeks. The 376 00:19:57,254 --> 00:20:00,934 Speaker 2: all important labor is something that lots of people have 377 00:20:01,134 --> 00:20:03,414 Speaker 2: theories on about how to induce it, how to make 378 00:20:03,454 --> 00:20:06,054 Speaker 2: it go quickly or pass by. One of them, and 379 00:20:06,174 --> 00:20:09,694 Speaker 2: maybe the most famous one is raspberry leaf tea. Why 380 00:20:09,734 --> 00:20:12,734 Speaker 2: do women get told to drink that to induce labor? 381 00:20:13,214 --> 00:20:16,334 Speaker 8: Interestingly, I've heard that my whole life as well, so 382 00:20:16,734 --> 00:20:19,134 Speaker 8: I'm not sure the origins of that, But the drugs 383 00:20:19,214 --> 00:20:22,854 Speaker 8: that we use to induce labor as doctors are super powerful. 384 00:20:23,094 --> 00:20:26,574 Speaker 8: I struggle to believe that a small dose of raspberry 385 00:20:26,654 --> 00:20:29,534 Speaker 8: leaf tea can equal anything weaker and just not to 386 00:20:29,614 --> 00:20:32,734 Speaker 8: be vulgar, but you know, there's another theory that having 387 00:20:32,814 --> 00:20:34,814 Speaker 8: sex sets it off, and there's belief that there are 388 00:20:34,894 --> 00:20:38,934 Speaker 8: prostaglandins in the male prostate fluid in the seminal fluid 389 00:20:39,054 --> 00:20:42,054 Speaker 8: right where the word prostaglandins came from. These chemicals, and 390 00:20:42,174 --> 00:20:45,814 Speaker 8: we do use them, but we use really strong doses. 391 00:20:45,934 --> 00:20:49,894 Speaker 8: So our average tablet is worth about twelve average males. 392 00:20:50,214 --> 00:20:52,374 Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so when people say to have sex to 393 00:20:52,454 --> 00:20:55,694 Speaker 2: induce labor, they're not talking about the physical sensation. It's 394 00:20:55,694 --> 00:20:56,694 Speaker 2: about the fluid. 395 00:20:57,334 --> 00:20:58,174 Speaker 5: It's about the fluid. 396 00:20:58,574 --> 00:21:02,134 Speaker 2: The last one is spicy food. Does that have any 397 00:21:02,214 --> 00:21:03,094 Speaker 2: rhyme or reason to it? 398 00:21:03,374 --> 00:21:03,534 Speaker 5: Yeah? 399 00:21:03,694 --> 00:21:05,814 Speaker 8: No, that's a famous one, and that's actually got something 400 00:21:05,894 --> 00:21:07,334 Speaker 8: to do with it. And the other one that goes 401 00:21:07,374 --> 00:21:09,894 Speaker 8: along with it is castor oil, because so if you 402 00:21:09,974 --> 00:21:15,454 Speaker 8: get the bow acting more actively dynamically from spicy food 403 00:21:15,574 --> 00:21:18,414 Speaker 8: or castoro, that could set off the uterus. 404 00:21:18,774 --> 00:21:20,894 Speaker 5: And I think there probably is a little bit to 405 00:21:20,974 --> 00:21:21,294 Speaker 5: that one. 406 00:21:22,974 --> 00:21:25,174 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 407 00:21:25,294 --> 00:21:28,054 Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano 408 00:21:28,174 --> 00:21:31,854 Speaker 2: and Clare Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill. Muma 409 00:21:31,894 --> 00:21:35,174 Speaker 2: MEA Studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton. 410 00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:36,934 Speaker 2: Visit Fenton and Fenton dot com.